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#39 Paratruther -Rewriting World War II: Churchill, Hess, And The “Unnecessary War” · The Arterburn Radio Transmission Podcast

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_04: One day, President Roosevelt told me he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_04: I said it once, the unnecessary war.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_04: There was never a war more easy to stop than which has just wrecked what was left of the world from the previous struggle.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_04: And that's Winston Churchill from his memoirs.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_04: And of course, taken from one of the classics of the last 20 plus years from Patrick J.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_04: Buchanan, uh Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War, great book.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_04: And it fits with the subject matter we're gonna go into today.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_04: And I can't believe it's been.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_04: I was talking with my amazing co-host, Mr.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_04: Anderson, as we often do throughout the week, and I realized it had been uh close to a year since we've done a paratrouther, even though every week on Arterburn Radio transmission, I say we're getting ready for something.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_04: We have plans for paratroothers.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, we uh it's copious amounts of notes and everything sketched out.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_04: We finally decide to sit down and knock one out.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_04: And uh let's let's bring in Mr.
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  SPEAKER_04: Anderson as we should have uh many episodes ago.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_04: It's been too long since I've done this, but I want to give you your uh proper intro, sir.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_05: As you can see, we've had our eye on you for some time now, Mr.
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  SPEAKER_05: Anderson, Anderson, Mr.
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  SPEAKER_05: Anderson, new mention, Mr.
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  SPEAKER_05: Anderson, Mr.
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  SPEAKER_05: Anderson, Mr.
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  SPEAKER_04: Anderson.
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  SPEAKER_04: I I prefer the uh the I think it's episode two, where he asks and has that great clip that goes around on social media.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_04: It's about uh having perseverance.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, why do you persist, Mr.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_04: Anderson?
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_04: Because I choose to.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm glad that you persist here uh with me back on on your own show, Mr.
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  SPEAKER_04: Anderson.
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  SPEAKER_04: Great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, happy to be here.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: That'd be a heck of a drinking game.
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  SPEAKER_00: Take a shot every time he says Mr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anderson.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: Good grief.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uh, that's that that might land you in the hospital.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_04: That's a long clip.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't play didn't play the whole clip.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_04: You you definitely would have a problem if you uh played a drinking game with uh Agent Smith.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think some people would duck out of the listening to the podcast if you played the entire thing.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's good to see you.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, I'm glad we're finally getting an episode knocked out again.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_04: It's been too long, and um, this subject matter, I opened up the show a little bit of a surprise quote from Winston Churchill, who you mentioned off air, uh Pat Buchanan thinks about Churchill the way that uh Don Jeffries thinks about Lincoln.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_04: And you know anything about Don Jeffries' work, especially like hidden history or crimes and cover-ups.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, he he takes a hammer to the Lincoln legacy, which is so much fun.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_04: And long before I met Don, uh, I would just go, wow, this he can't stand Lincoln.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_04: And it's so much fun to uh to see him uh carve out that legacy, though, only the way Don Jeffries can.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_04: But Buchanan does it in a in a you said diplomatic way, uh, but that is the the crux of why we're doing this episode, uh, and I think probably many episodes to come, because you know, history is a pack of lies agreed upon, you know, so said Napoleon.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_04: And and you also have my favorite quote from Henry Ford that said history is bunk, and it's all written by the victors, and there's a lot of propaganda wrapped around it.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_04: But we're told that World War II was the good war, you know, you had the greatest generation, it's the good war.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, you know, that if we it's all you blame the war on the appeasers, you know on Neville Chamberlain and those who wanted peace in Britain, and you know, there was this idea that it's it's always 1938 and it's always Munich for every every peace negotiation, there's always appeasement, all the rest of that is is baked into the modern narrative.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_04: But what if that's not true necessarily?
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_04: What if you know you actually dissect the timeline, reverse engineer things, and look at events that don't correspond to the overall narrative of how how we think of uh World War II or what we're taught about the rise of Nazi Germany or the the foreign policy of the Third Reich and what it meant.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, it really does stir you a bit and it gets you to to think a second time or a third time when you learn about these anomalies of history, like we have, and we're gonna talk about today, which is the the flight of Rudolf Hess.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_04: This has been on my mind for a long time because I I you know I read alternative history, and I've this is something I came across many, many years ago, and when I first read it, I thought that makes no sense whatsoever.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm talking uh early 20s when I first heard of this.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_04: So um, do you do you want to start a little bit like breaking down some of the timeline on Rudolph Hesser?
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm happy to.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna comment a little bit on Churchill, um, because I read that book uh that you mentioned by Pat Buchanan as well.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: And uh when I was raised and taught history growing up, I mean, Churchill was always this figure to be idolized almost about how strong he was.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: And Buchanan doesn't really back down from the point that he was a very capable leader, but he was like a snake in the grass, he was always there picking up the pieces.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was first lord of the admiralty, he was the one who supposedly diverted the Lusitania off course to where a German U-boat U-boat attacked it with, you know, 130 some odd Americans on board.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: And the whole reason the Germans were attacking Mercantile, the Mercantile fleet and ships at the time is because Churchill was imposing a starvation blockade on Germany.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: So he did that.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: And then you mentioned Chamberlain, who was the prime minister at the beginning of World War II.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: But um, Churchill actually had this plan that's called um the Norvik debacle, which he was going to see some of the ports in Norway, um, which were very useful, he thought, to Hitler, especially since winter was coming and ports were freezing over more northward.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: And somehow that information got leaked out.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: So Norway was neutral territory, so Churchill couldn't do this anyways, but his plans were leaked out, and it somehow got to Hitler.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: So Hitler ended up taking or seizing those ports beforehand, and that whole debacle, the Norvik debacle, led to the end of Chamberlain's um basically being prime minister, and who was there to pick up the pieces afterwards?
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: Churchill.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's just amazing.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: You keep finding these coincidences over and over, and it's like, man, Churchill was a snake in the grass, and he was not really interested in peace at all.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: And even if you take it back a little bit further and consider World War I, I mean, it was a family dispute.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Kaiser Wilhelm was cousins of Tsar Nicholas II and related to King George V.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: And in fact, when he heard about Archduke Franz Ferdinand being assassinated, his friend, he was in England at the time participating in a regatta.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: He was racing sailboats, and another boat intercepted his and told him his friend had died, and he was like, Well, this is bad.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: So he immediately packed up, went back home, and two months later the British and the Germans are having you know these monstrous fights in France, and it was like a family debacle.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, how do these things, how did they even begin to unravel with the first world war?
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's just astonishing to me that they don't teach it authentic with any sort of authenticity.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_04: And then look, uh Buchanan's very fair to Churchill, and and I take a lot of Churchill quotes.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_04: There's a lot of mystique around him because he was a self-taught, you know, historian, he was a statesman, uh, he was Machiavellian in so many ways.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_04: He dealt with um depression and other things.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_04: So he has like a depth to him, but he is a strange figure throughout.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_04: I think misunderstood, and I think there's a darkness around him.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_04: And you go back to, and I've read when I was in Iraq, I read William Manchester's uh biographies, uh The Last Lion, and it's very in-depth.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_04: And you learn about like the genesis of Churchill, and some of the things are really admirable, and then other things like his obsession with war, uh, he presided over like the the zenith of the British Empire, like he presided over the apex and then the absolute decline of the empire.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_04: And you know what brought down the British Empire was war.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_04: So, like this thing that he loved.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, he was his mother was Jenny Jerome, she was an American.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_04: His his father was in the House of Lords, it was Rudolph uh Churchill and or Randolph Churchill, and Randolph had had syphilis, like so he had like a syphilitic father who was like having mental breakdowns by the time he was coming of age.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_04: And and uh Randolph thought that uh that Winston was like uh mentally challenged, and he's like, You're not gonna, he's basically told you not gonna amount to anything.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_04: We can't be able to send you the to Oxford or Cambridge.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_04: So they sent him to uh military school, you know, they sent him uh to Sound Sandow so he could go and come up through the ranks.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, he eventually had an interesting military career and he went to India.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_04: India is where he first got into books, and uh it really fit him like a glove.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_04: Like he was able to memorize things.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_04: As a matter of fact, one of the stories I like about Churchill that I would, you know, I remember is that he had a stroke or a heart attack or something like that, something some cardiovascular uh issue late in life, and um they were worried that he was gonna lose like part of his his brain function.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_04: And then he woke up and they asked him, like, for get him memory test, and he recited like the 14th chapter of of like volume two of Edward Gibbons Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire or something like that.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_04: Like he was he still had so much of that attachment.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: Didn't you say it took a couple brandies to get him going?
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and he did like he really did, and Nixon wrote about this in his his memoir uh in the arena, he how Churchill, when he went to visit Churchill like in the 50s, that he was just looked like he was like sullen and just just not you know not really all there.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_04: He had a stroke, and then somebody handed him a like a big sifter full of brandy, and he just slugged it all back in one shot and then lit up and like he was talking about things and he was he was alive and he was present.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, they did the autopsy on on Churchill uh in I think night 1965 is when he died somewhere in there.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_04: Uh he was like 91 years old, but he had the liver of a five-year-old.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_04: They said it was per perfect, it was like pristine.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_04: So, I mean, yeah, who really knows how much he actually drank or what his if he was like a if he was boastful about it, like he had there's all sorts of stories and lore around Churchill, but the common theme and why this is important, and I'm glad you did this for the show because it it so much of World War II and the mythos around like uh you know, like it's called the Last Lion and all this stuff, like the the you know, the the gathering storm he wrote in his memoirs and all the things that Britain was uh on the chopping block that you know that Hitler and the Third Reich just wanted to knock out the West, you know, like it was all about destruction and world dominance and all this stuff, like that was the the goal, and that Britain was standing alone and all this stuff.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's not exactly how things went down.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's it's if you actually reverse the timeline and you realize that it was Britain that declared war on Germany in 1939 over over Danzig, right?
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_04: Over the port of Danzig.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it Danzig was German-speaking, and it was taken away when they did what's called Big Poland, and this is at the Treaty of Versailles at the end of World War One, and so they carved up Germany and uh German-speaking peoples, and they shrunk the the German Reich and put it into these other entities, and so the port of Danzig uh was important for uh the Third Reich to get back, you know, after they'd done the Anchlis, uh, which was uh the annexation of uh Austria and the Sudetenland and every everything that came with it, and Poland had a war guarantee from England, so they didn't even negotiate.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: They was like, now we don't and all that did was stiffen their spine once they got that.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you follow Buchanan, at least um what he details in the book you mentioned, he talks about Hitler trying to arrive at a diplomatic solution.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like he's like, I just want that port, and I don't want the whole corridor, just a part of it, like a quarter mile wide part of it, so I we can run back and forth between it.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: So um we'll control it diplomatically, and you can control it economically, but we want that back.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: But once Britain offered their war guarantee to Poland, um, it stiffened their spine to where they were telling Hitler, no, no, no.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_04: They were offering Poland uh like an Autobahn of their own, like all this sort of like economic union and other infrastructure that Nazi Germany would bring in uh for Poland so they could have this port back, and it was again it was about reunification after the Treaty of Versailles of the German-speaking peoples.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that was supposed to be according to Wilson's 14 points and self-determinism, right?
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, these people were supposedly supposed to choose the themselves, and that's not what happened.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, but the the interesting thing that I think gets lost is you know, everybody presents it as this you have to choose one side or the other.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's possible not to like either of them.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: You can think Hitler was an antichrist sort of character and still say Britain did everything they could to antagonize that war.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because even in in Mein Kampf, Hitler talks about two things he learned during World War I.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: And the first being the fatal mistake that Germany made was fighting a war on two fronts.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that was unsustainable.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: And the second thing he learned is Britain is actually Germany's natural ally.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: And Hitler actually extended that to Italy as well.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like he really liked El Duce.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's a story of Hitler actually writing Mussolini and asking for an autograph, a photo of Mussolini with an autograph, and Mussolini said something back and said denied.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: But Hitler never wanted a war with Britain.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and for some reason, it seemed like Churchill did a lot of things that encouraged and disrupted things to where a war was basically unavoidable.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that they had the treaty, the Anglo-Japanese treaty, right, in place with the Japanese.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: And uh the US didn't like it so much, but um Japan was already having problems in Manchuria, and then you see they see Stalin pressing down towards the north, so they want kind of a buffer region.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: They're probably thinking, well, we can have a part of of China, and um it can serve us in the same way that India cut India kind of serves Britain.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: But what did the government British government do?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: They uh got rid of that treaty that was supposed to be 20 years long, and so you essentially alienated Japan, right?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and there was yeah, go ahead.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't mean to dominate everything.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_04: No, I I love this.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_04: This is the this the context is important because we so much propaganda and feedback loops about war happen because of this narrative, and you're right, you don't have to like like when Hitler invades the Soviet Union, like who am I rooting for?
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_04: Uh neither one.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_04: I'm rooting for go, but you know, that's I think that's a wonderful thing.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, not really, I don't promote war.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_04: It's uh obviously it hurts you know the human life and everything, but at the end of the day, uh it's like monster feeding on monster.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_04: I I don't really have a side there.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: And it was yeah, and I'm sorry, I was just gonna finish this last thing, kind of in parallel to the Anglo-Japanese treaty.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: The other one I was thinking of was the Locarno Pack, right?
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that there was neutral land in the Rhine land, and basically that pack was devised by Austin Chamberlain, I think his name was, and a German foreign minister, and they received a Nobel Prize for it.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: But basically, what it said is neither France nor Germany can militarize that portion of land.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: And if either one of them does it, then Britain and Italy are gonna take care of the the person who did it.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: And what what did they do to Italy?
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like Mussolini very much disliked Hitler, but they alienated Mussolini with with Ethiopia, right?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: And the sanctions, and that was supposed to be the other entity other than Britain to uphold the Locarno Pact.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: So Britain just had blunder after blunder after blunder.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um well in in World War One, the the seeds were sown for the Second War with the Treaty of Versailles.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_04: It was a Carthaginian peace, and it was punitive, it was humiliating, the the debts and the burden, and you know, all the there was a a bait and switch too with the armistice that happened on uh November 11th, uh 1918.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_04: You know, you had the 11th month, 11th hour, um 11th day, and this is all this uh this uh symbology inside that day for armistice, but by 1919, you had the Treaty of Versailles, and it's uh Lord George talked about that as basically you're just setting up the next war.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_04: And Churchill has a role there.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_04: You know, he what you're you talked about his being in the first Lord of the Admiralty in World War I, and of course he was removed because he had a he was in his 30s, and he'd worked really hard to get up to that first Lord of the Admiralty in England is kind of like really don't have an office like it in the US, uh, because it's it's like Secretary of Defense, it's like Pete has along with Vice President, along with I mean it's like a it's like a hodgepodge, but it it is it has so much more political value alongside prime minister.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_04: So it's like it's like prime minister adjacent.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so first lord, so he reached that at at 37, I believe, but he had the debacle with uh Gallipoli and that opening up another front uh against Turkey, and there was a lot of just uh mishaps and other things, a lot of people died, so he was um removed from that office and then went to fight on the front.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you have to hand Churchill for all his warmongering, actually went and fought in wars, you got to give it to him on that.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_04: Like he fought on the front in World War I and like he he called it a delicious war, like he had all these strange um like these uh he's affectionate towards this sort of like chaos and violence and other things.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_04: And I maybe towards the end of his life he regretted a great deal of it.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_04: I think one of the things he said it used to the war used to be uh like terrible and glorious, and now it's just uh terrible and squalid.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm paraphrasing, but it was something like he just lost the thread at some point, um, maybe not entirely, but this life is built around that, and um the narrative of like you know, this is what we're taught in school.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_04: Like there's uh and nothing, you know, it's funny, you they don't ever have an origin story other than there's all of a sudden there's a dictator and he's very mad and he's militarizing, and no one wants to stop him.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_04: And then we go to war, you know, like there's a and then it's 50 million dead.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_04: Well, what if there's nuance to that and you have to you go back and you Look at all the things that lead up to that cataclysm.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, didn't Germany not stop paying reparations for World War II until like what is it, uh 2014, like a decade ago?
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the reparations were crazy, and they even carved out reparations for British soldiers that the Germans owed them.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: They weren't allowed to participate in any sort of world commerce.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: They could buy things, they could import things, but they couldn't export anything.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so the League of Nations wouldn't give Germany any even small diplomatic victories.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it was the Chancellor of Germany who told the League of Nations, look, if you don't even give us a small victory, this guy over here, Hitler, and the Nazi Party are going to take control and you're going to have to contend with that.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Is that what you want?
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: And they just didn't care.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I think it's almost like they if you're setting up if your goal is a banker's war, and you can look at the work of Anthony Sutton, who uh wrote about uh not only the Bolsheviks in Wall Street, but Hitler and the Nazis in Wall Street and you know the banking houses who supported both sides.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_04: You know, wars are a great way to get your social change that you want.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_04: You can fight internal issues and and the you know, the the political divisions that you have in your own country can be um ostracized because of the war.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_04: You know, all the this war is the health of the state.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_04: So I think it's important.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_04: The reason I have this show and why I think these conversations are extremely important is because the propaganda that goes around history is meant to steer your mind in a certain way, so that the next time they want to pull the stunt, that you're just an obedient servant to whatever narrative that is.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: You've already accepted the premise, so it's it's easier.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, yeah, I mean, the average German just had a terrible, terrible life.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they went through a Great Depression, so they're angry about it.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think what was it?
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Hitler had many speeches, and uh they all have the same name.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: The the Treaty of Versailles.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: He just kept reminding them how they'd been betrayed.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they weren't even allowed into the negotiation, they were like, here's what you get, and and they had to take full moral responsibility for World War I, even though they didn't agree to it.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, if you don't like it, we'll just continue the starvation blockade.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: And they did.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, Tom.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_04: Real atrocities.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_04: No, I you're I'm I'm really glad for this because I didn't expect we were I knew we were gonna dive into the subject.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, I love it.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_04: I love this is what Paratrouther is about.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_04: This is, I mean, I our show.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_04: I just want people to sit down, grab a grab a cup of coffee or a beer, whatever you want, and we just listen to the show.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_04: Or if you're driving, don't do that.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_04: But uh uh, if it's it's supposed to be about ideas, deep dives, and we just Mr.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_04: Anderson and I do stream of consciousness.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_04: This is just I don't, I'm not looking at any notes right now about what to talk about.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_04: It's just memories.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_04: But I was thinking about, you know, uh Hitler never went, he only went to Paris, I think, one time.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: And um he wasn't there long, right?
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_04: No, it was he rode on the train car.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_04: He took the same train car in that the that the armistice was signed on when the surrender of Germany was signed on.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_04: He made the the French go on the same car to sign the surrender, you know, after uh after France fell in uh 1940.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_04: And uh so just like little things like that.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_04: Like there was a reason that the Treaty of Versailles and the the Allied powers, like they set up um the the next war, and it's a lot about arrogance and not future thinking and not being magnanimous, and you know, all the all the things that you're supposed to be as as a victor, uh they were not, and right so you get this in and then the economic terms and all that like the Germans called it Deutschloss, which meant the stab in the back.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's very important to remember what what it was called.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, don't you're you're exercising my memory.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's been it's been a while, but uh but yeah, Hitler just stoked those fires, and again, he wasn't a good guy, he was an antichrist figure, that's my opinion.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's why he was obsessed with all sorts of biblical artifacts, like the spear of destiny, right?
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: The spear that supposedly pierced Christ when he was being crucified.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think he found that in Austria, and he thought that was going to guarantee the Arians a thousand years of a successful reign.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was into the occult.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's what's so crazy about Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: I saw that as a kid and it's like, this is crazy.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Where'd they get these ideas?
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, no, the Nazis actually had an anthropological society that did just that, try to recover biblical artifacts.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_04: It's ridiculously a lot of the genesis of like the not just the Nazi Party, but like modern Germany, it was came from like the late 19th century, like the German identity, especially after uh Bismarck had the unification of you know, like Prussia and and and and Germany and Austria, and all the had these you know German-speaking unifications, and they'd have like these different societies and like the subculture and thought, like the the vrille society was another one of those.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um that it was very it was racial consciousness and also like a lot of uh esoteric spiritual consciousness, things that were permeating through you know Germany in the in the 20s and 30s, and it was just like this perfect storm.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: That was another reason Mussolini didn't like Hitler.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: Hitler met him and uh he he dressed in attire he never dressed in, and uh Mussolini thought he looked like a clown, but he started comparing Mediterranean people, yeah, look like a plumber or something, but Hitler started uh comparing Mediterranean people to people in Africa, got a little racist, and you know, he's talking to an Italian that way.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: But sorry, you just reminded me of that.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_04: It's uh there's there's just so much there that you don't get from you know the modern court historians or the history channel or any of this stuff.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_04: It's just you don't get the nuance to understand why events happen, and then kind of leading into like the whole you know, subject matter, like the title of the podcast.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna talk about Rudolf Hess, which is um again, this is Hitler's like best friend.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_04: They were in after the beer hall putsch in the 1920s, and you gotta remember, like the Nazi Party didn't like infiltrate one of the major parties in Germany, they started from zero, and of course, uh Hitler was you know was recruited by German intelligence.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_04: I think he was like member number eight of the national, what was it, the uh national German workers' party, and then it changed into the National Socialist, and and the rest is you know, there's a and there's another subject I want to do later on episode about um Hitler psychology.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_04: There's just fascinating I read 20 years ago.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_04: We'll definitely do an episode on that.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_04: But he's cast into this you know role in history where you again you're they're fighting the Treaty of Versailles, the German government is weak.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um the financial ruin that had the Weimar Republic in 1929 starts to have like this hyperinflation and and everything else that we that's where you get people think about wheelbarrows full of cash to buy a loaf of bread because of hyperinflation and all the stuff that happened to the currency, and it's just like this perfect storm where you get the rise of the Nazi Party.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_04: But in the 20s, they they were really really pushing things.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_04: That's where you call the putsch, the beer hall putsch, is was like an attempt to create a uh an open coup of the German government and Hitler sent to prison, and his cellmate was Rudolf Hess, who helped him craft uh Mein Kampf and was an editor of Mein Kampf.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_04: And you fast forward, and we'll get into the specifics, but you fast forward to 1941.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_04: So you gotta remember it's 1941.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_04: Um Hitler invades Poland September 1st, 1939.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, England has declared war on Germany.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so Germany's at war with uh with Great Britain officially.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_04: Uh they didn't want that.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um that's I mean there's clear evidence they did not they didn't want that war, but they're at war with with uh with England.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_04: France has fallen.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and the plan, the war plans, which have always been, if you read you, if you were studying, looking at Mein Kampf and what what you know what Hitler's goal was, which was Levinstrom, which was living space, and he hated uh the the Marxists and and what he would refer to as like Jewish Bolsheviks.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: Judeo Bolsheviks, yeah.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_04: Right, it's like the Bolsheviks were all one thing, and he wanted to turn on the so even though he had the pact of steel with Stalin, all this like there was like a ruse, and that was after, yeah, because because of the war guarantee, Britain offered the Polish, it's why he liked it forced like this to say back off, get out of here.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_04: It was like a right, it was it was an overture and a and a a bit of skullduggery if you look at it from you know the the lens of of of history and you know all the everything that's it's happened since.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_04: But so you gotta remember Rudolf Hess is like second and yeah, he was his power was waning a bit.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Martin Bormann was more of a tactician and was taking over things.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_04: But that's how that's how close Rudolf Hess was with Adolf Hitler, and it's his his role in the in the Nazi Party, his role in the Third Reich, was right up there, okay, with the top.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_04: But somehow, in May 10th, 1941, he charters an aircraft, uh, a small aircraft, and flies it.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_04: How long was the flight?
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_04: It's like 10 hours.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: A thousand miles, and he was going through British airspace and they detected him, but for some reason he was provided an aerial corridor.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: So all these people had the plane in their sights, they were ready to take it down, and they were told to stand down and allow him through.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: And it took over five hours.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: So he went through, I believe, Denmark, then through the North Sea, and he ran out of fuel in Scotland, so he just jumped out to a field.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I I guess it should we it might be worthwhile to mention Rudolph has who was the deputy Fuhrer, as you were describing, was a World War I infantryman and pilot.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: But this wasn't just some crazed act, he was preparing for this for months, and the timing of it was also very suspicious because Germany had just finished the biggest bombing on London that occurred up to that point, and I believe through the entire World War World War II.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: It was three days.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: Even the British House of Commons was ablaze.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: And after that, as you mentioned, on May 10th, Rudolph Hess has this mission, he lands in some some farmer's field, the farmer finds him, and you know, he's in his Glasgow, Scotland.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: Glasgow, Scotland, a little outside of it.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: And the first thing he says in English to this farmer is I'm RC Christian, and I'd like to commission a granite monument.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm always messing around.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's good, that's good.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: But he did I got you.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: Classical reference to the sorts of guide stones that are no longer yes, and funny enough, you know, part of Stonehenge, the altar stone, that rock was actually quarried out of Scotland, which is why the jokes seem fitting.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: But um, anyways, he came up with this false identity, I forget what it was, but he said he was interested in meeting the Duke of Hamilton, right?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: Is is there anything we should add to the build-up there?
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_04: Well, not necessarily, but he's he's there to figure out a way to stop the uh the hostilities between England and Germany.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_04: Correct.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_04: At least that's the that's the whole premise of why he's not there to bomb it, he's not there to suicide mission.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_04: This is the second in command of the Third Reich, and so he's taking like he's taking this trip, and I have uh you know my own opinions on why he would have done that, but he you know, he gets he he gets in near Glasgow.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_04: You you what you mentioned, he's uh requesting the meeting with the Duke of Hamilton and Wyham, right?
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we have again, but Churchill is uh, I believe Churchill becomes prime minister in May of 1941, so it's right there.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_04: Like I forget what day, but this is when Churchill goes from first lord of the Admiralty again to being prime minister, so it might have been a last ditch effort on behalf of the of Hitler's government to try to figure out how do we bypass Churchill and get some sort of peace worked out so he turns to his friend.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_04: He turns to the guy that he figured that can carry this out.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_04: Like, there's you can't be an official channel because you remember um June 22nd, 1941, Operation Barbarossa, which is the invasion of the Soviet Union by the Third Reich, uh pivotal moment in history, and this is when the like the true mechanics of Mein Kampf and like all that, you know, this is years in the making, this vision are being put into place.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_04: It was never about, at least not according to any official narrative, uh, by the Nazi government, to take over England or you know, any it was it was a sideshow.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_04: That's why that never, you know, like with Dunkirk and everything, there none of that really translated into the what they would refer to as like Operation C lion or something.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_04: They never even had the plans drawn up for it.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_04: So you have Hess risking his life, uh, this last-minute last ditch effort.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's it's interesting too, right?
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's somebody who's important in the hierarchy for the Nazis.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: So he's kind of offering himself.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, unless he had connections, and there's a group we'll talk about later, I'm sure, in Britain called the Appeasers, who were not interested in war with Germany because they perceived Stalin and the Bolsheviks to be the greater threat, but he had to have some sort of secure communication channels that would allow him to believe you're gonna make it to Scotland or wherever you land.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because anybody in their right mind would have thought they'd be shot down after a five-hour flight, right?
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: So, why Duke of Hamilton?
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, um, what I could dig up is a mentor of Hesse's was this professor named Carl Haßhofer.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: And he had met with the Duke of Hamilton in Berlin during the 1936 Olympics, and I believe he was part of this group called the Appeasers, who again were sympathetic towards peace between Germany and Britain.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: So he was seeking counsel with them, and they were trying to interact with these people, and it just wasn't, you know, nobility, it was people in intelligence, people in parliament.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: There were a lot of different sorts of people from different various backgrounds who were not interested in this war.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: But the idea was to kind of avoid interacting with Churchill, but that's not how it turned out, because immediately within hours, they they knew who he was, even though he gave a false name to the farmer and presumably other people when he arrived.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, according to witnesses, when Winston Churchill learned that Hess was there, he turned ice cold and immediately ordered absolute secrecy about it.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: So it wasn't announced in the press.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: It seems like a pretty big deal, right?
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you think that people would be interested about it, but it was absolute secrecy, and they ended up transferring um Hess to a place.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: I remember this because of Pat Buchanan, but it's called Buchanan Castle, where they interrogated him.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: And he claimed that he was coming under direct orders of Hitler with a proposal, and the proposal was three-tiered, with the first point being Britain would keep its empire, point number two, Germany would dominate continental Europe, right?
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: And three, together, they would contain the Soviets.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: That was the plan.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: And for whatever reason, it it may have been heard, but it was covered up immediately, right?
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and you think about that, uh given the lens of everything we know about modern warfare, don't you have a responsibility to look at that to see if that's something that's workable?
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_04: Wouldn't it be better to continue to re-arm and give yourself more time?
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, the if you want to secure peace, you prepare for war.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_04: That's that's from George Washington.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_04: There's some wisdom in that.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_04: The only way it's I think it was Lord Acton that said this that the only way to prove that you're a um great power is to fight a war, and the only way to remain one is not to fight it.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_04: So uh all these actions, like there's this there's an underlying push for war in the late 1930s and and and 40s, and again, the the the Nazis are culpable in a great chunk of this.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it doesn't have to go this way, but there is something about Britain, and it it might be, and I suspect their ties to international banking, um, and the internationalist, like the the round table and Cecil Rhodes, those type of like the the secret orders of things that that just think war is good for uh you know, like a like a storm in the like Jefferson talked about for liberty, you know, is and revolution, like a storm in the atmosphere to clear things.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know, but that seems like it's always a push, and we're always told that oh, it's the Britain's the victim, you know, and I'm like, but they declare war on Germany.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_04: You don't you don't have to do that, you know.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_04: So you United States did well in World War II because we had this big gap between when the European powers started killing each other and when we entered the war.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_04: You got to remember it's like 1939 hostilities start, and 1944 in June, we're hitting the beaches at Normandy.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, it's a big gap, so there's a lot of time to prepare and other things.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_04: You need more time in warfare for logistics and and uh manpower and movements and all that stuff.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_04: So time is always good.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_04: I don't understand the rush for war was definitely on the Churchill faction, and I'm I'm assuming so much had transpired that the public and uh a great deal of the people in power uh couldn't like openly say, Hey, let's do a peace deal.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_04: You know, like let's and maybe there wasn't one to do, but I think at the end of the day, uh, were they right that that the Soviet Union was the greater threat to world peace than than the Third Reich, especially like in the as their neighbors, like were they were they right or wrong?
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I don't know.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_04: We we saw the you know anything about the history of the Bolshevik Revolution and uh Trotskyism, and that was international.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: The that's the commie turn, you know, like this is the uh yeah, but but by 1939, you know, Hitler or I don't know how many people Hitler had killed at that point, but I know Stalin had killed approximately 10 million, yeah, including Christians in Ukraine, okay, by starving them out.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: So it's he seemed like a a pretty serious threat to Britain.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: But why would Churchill cover this up?
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, he probably didn't like the idea that there was this group of people, this faction within the British government, consisting of, like I mentioned, wealthy aristocrats, politicians, and even members of the royal family.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Family who wanted to broker a peace deal.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas he did not.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think there was a another really important person, uh, the Duke of Windsor, who was formerly King Henry VIII, I think.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: And he he abdicated the throne in around 36.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: And he had visited Hitler personally.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: There's even photos of him doing like Nazi salutes.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: And when Churchill found out, he shipped him off to the Bahamas and put him in timeout.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: So he knew these people existed and he didn't like it.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, just think I didn't even know about this about Hess at all until you brought it up to me, Tony.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: But thinking of like the gravity of all that, you're sending the deputy Fuhrer over on a manned mission just himself to try to negotiate peace.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: That seems kind of serious, right?
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_04: And you had to do it like covertly because no official peace channels could be reached.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_04: Because this is what I've never understood about governments.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_04: And you go, I mean, my criticism of World War II and the Japanese is why do we need unconditional surrender?
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_04: It's so funny.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_04: I think about like Trump tweeting that in all caps about Iran this last year.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_04: And I go, What does that even mean?
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_04: Like uncon so this this this attitude or this philosophy that we have to just totally destroy, and there is no peace and there can be no negotiations until you totally submit to my will.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um that doesn't seem Christ-like.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't seem I mean there's just something about it that I don't like if you're winning and you can stop bloodshed and and an end a war, why would you not try to do that?
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_04: It just why continue to like would we have to go all the way to where we have Dresden and we start like you know, the end of World War II.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_04: You had like Howard Zinn, who would eventually uh become a history professor and write the People's History of the United States.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_04: He was the first uh crews that were using a new technology of incinerary devices dropped on Germany through bombers called napalm.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_04: This jellied gasoline that they were using, and they were already winning.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_04: We were just dropping jellied gasoline on people.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_04: It's like we were killing people, especially like Dresden, when they just like murdered kids.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, there was no military significance to Dresden.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the war was basically over, and we they had like all this celebration, they didn't think they were gonna get bombs, they had kids out, kind of like their Halloween, and they are all dressed up.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_04: And when the bombs came, they got in these underground shelters, and the bombing was so intense, it sucked the oxygen out of uh the uh the shelters in which they were in, and it uh they suffocated like thousands of kids.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_04: And so you there's this horrible you know uh homo homine lupus, the man is wolf to man, like there's this horrible unleashing of things.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_04: I guess my criticism of all of it is the if you're if you can have an avenue to stop it, then why don't you?
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, if it can be something you can live with, it doesn't sometimes you can't live with it.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_04: Like one of my favorite stories is at the Battle of the Bulge, uh the 101st Airborne gets surrounded by a Nazi counteroffensive.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_04: This is just after a D-Day, you know, Operation Overlord, and uh the Nazi uh commander sends the commander of the 101st Airborne a note for you know surrender, and the reply from the 101st Airborne was just he just wrote one word and said nuts.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_04: And I like that.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_04: I think sometimes you just fight, you know, because there the alternative is just death.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_04: But if the alternative is some sort of negotiator, that's what I don't understand about.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_04: That's why I always I wanted to do a show on this subject because clearly, and we're gonna get into yeah, like the aftermath of this.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_04: Clearly, he was sent there, in my opinion.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_04: This is Hitler's buddy.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's his friend that he brought up through the ranks of the Nazi Party.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_00: He he had to have, he didn't like just commission a plane lying around at Agsburg Airfield.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like they they changed uh a plane so that it had extended fuel capacity.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: He was involved in secret flight training for months at the end of 1940.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it his plane was installed with a special radio compass.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_00: He memorized coastal geography in Britain and navigation routes, um, the patrol patterns of the British fighter planes, the RAF fighters.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this was prepared.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_00: It so they cast it later for years and years as the adventures of a madman, like just spontaneously deciding to do something, like to break rank with Hitler.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't that, it was prepared for.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: He even timed it to where he'd fall or the plane would arrive when it was already night, so he'd have the cover of night, right?
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, these aren't like the actions of somebody who's crazy.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_04: This is preparation in great detail.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and it's it's some of the notes that I had through some of the research.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, he had access, Hess had access to high-level intelligence, his flight required serious preparation and navigation planning.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_04: The Luftwaffe would likely have noticed the deputy fur taking a long-range aircraft.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_04: The timing aligns precisely with pre-Barbarossa strategic needs.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_04: And then the question is uh, was it approved quietly by Hitler?
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I mean, seems so it has to be a last-ditch effort, and there was probably disgust that if this goes wrong, I have to disavow because it looks like we're making an like if it's a failed peace overture that makes you look weak, like you want peace.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_04: And that's the you know, because of people's like deep egos and power plays, and and you know, I guess the more you learn about the Epstein files and people's love of Moloch and Ball, you know, I guess uh that's where the elite the psych the sociopaths and psychopaths who mostly run things.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um but this was this to me, I think was a genuine overture to can we not do this, you know, because they're getting ready for their for the war that they wanted.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_04: Not I'm not I'm not even agreeing with it, by the way.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not saying this is why you gotta go kill those communists, you know.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm just saying it's the the stated goal, and I don't know why no one was reading and paying attention to Mein Kampf.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, right now, I mean, most history, if people even understand this timeline at all from school, it's just like all of a sudden there was a dictator and he wants to take over the whole he didn't get into art school, didn't get into art school, and it's the whole world, and you know, I mean, I I don't, you know, uh again, the the people that wanted to take over the whole world was the Soviet Union, it was an international communist movement.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um, stated goals, by the way, yeah, were international, and uh not not what happened using any of this, by the way, folks.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_04: We're not I'm just trying to make the point of that history is not what is taught, and especially when it comes to war, and pivoting back to that war guarantee to protect the sovereignty of Poland.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_00: What happened to Poland after World War II?
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_04: That's one of my arguments I always make.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_04: We we go we go to war in 1939 to because of Poland, because Hitler invades Poland, 50 million people die, and then we give Poland to Stalin.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, makes sense.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, do you need any more proof that they're lying to you?
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: They're not giving you the all the information.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's crazy to me, too.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: You were talking about kind of modern events and the absolute surrender of Iran.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's funny because you point this out a lot, Tony.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: But what was Wilson's campaign when he was running for re-election?
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I know it well.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's in 1916.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_04: He kept us out of war, and then we went to war, right?
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_00: What did FDR say before his re-election?
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, maybe the voice, please.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_04: His 19 was 1940 election.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_04: Uh he's like, I've I've seen war and I hate war, and your boys will not be sent to another European war.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_04: And then the first thing he does is let's get into this war.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and then you know, the then you have to go through FDR's whole role and and the his complicity.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: Japan wanted to meet with him anywhere in the Pacific.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_00: They even offered Alaska, and he said, No, they broke code purple, they knew with with reasonable confidence that it was going to be Pearl Harbor that was gonna be attacked.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_04: That's why they and they moved the ships, they did all and he ignored all the the overtures and ignored the peace deals, ignored everything.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_04: He needed to get into the war, and the Japanese were the fastest way to get into it.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_04: And um just absolutely disgusting when you when you know that you know, somebody is especially somebody that um the honor that that you have to have as a military member, like it I can't I can't imagine knowing that fellow service members would perish because I wanted to get into a war.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that is some psychopathic shit.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well, those were both the world wars, two examples.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, what does history show?
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it tells you to be skeptical of people who tout how they keep us out of war, those tend to be the ones who get us into the biggest conflicts.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's the only point I'm trying to get.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_04: That is a great point.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uncon Trump's unconditional surrender, all caps tweet back when I go, What is what are what planet am I on right now?
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_04: And does he even know what that means?
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_04: And and why?
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I thank you for your attention to this matter.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: Your attention to this he's always sweet at the end.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we we have definitely we have definitely crossed into that the simulation is breaking down, my friend.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_04: But I I think that um this particular and let's get back to Hess because it's important to um to stay a little bit on top because the i I want to so he the flight happens, he bails out, he gets near Glasgow, he's in Buchanan Castle, he's in Buchanan Castle, he's interrogated.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_00: The the thing is he meets the Duke of Hamilton, too.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it doesn't go well.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_04: Uh the the peace plan backfires, so then complete disavow from Hitler, the Nazi government.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_04: Hess is insane, uh, he's acting alone, you know, uh, all of this stuff.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um and there were documents that were classified, supposedly classified documents that were um uncovered in 2025.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting name for the classified documents.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_00: It was uh Dark or Black Garden.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think that's a reference to him at Spandau Prison, always spending his time in the garden.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it claims that during this time, so the interrogations immediately commenced.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_00: He met the Duke of Hamilton.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_00: Duke of Hamilton said that his conversation with Hess was brief and not consequential.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_00: But according to these documents, what the British tried to do at that point was medicate Hess into confusion.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_00: So, according to these documents, they used experimental set sedatives that were okay due to a wartime exemption, and he was being interrogated by this MI6 agent named Frank Foley and uh Jolly West.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_04: And then uh Jolly West is showing up at uh all these places and just didn't prep for Jack Ruby.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, go on.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_00: But that that was part of the idea, right?
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_00: So the story was that they formulated this story at a place called Ditchley Park.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_00: They crafted this mentally unstable excuse, right?
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: So they injected him with all this stuff.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_00: It just reminds me of MK Ultra, yes, and um all sorts of other things to deprive him in other ways, um, like sleep deprivation, no communication, solitary confinement, all the things, a great recipe or cocktail to make you crazy.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_00: And uh honestly, it probably did make him a little crazy, but why would they continue to interrogate him?
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_00: Why would they continue to try to extract information from a crazy person?
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: Makes no sense, but they did.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_04: Clearly, like it and you could take it a bunch of different ways.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_04: They knew he was coming, somebody knew.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um, absolutely, this was a last ditch effort, probably on both sides, to figure out something as Churchill was amassing uh his political power as the new prime minister.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_04: I think it was I have to go look on my maybe I can type it in now and see if when Churchill was installed.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_04: Was it uh uh May 1st?
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_04: I want to say it was like at the beginning of May of 1941.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_04: Uh let's see.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_00: So it was after the Norvic debacle, I'm pretty sure.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um Winston Churchill became prime minister on May 10th, 1940.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_04: So it was the year before, exactly a year.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so it wasn't 41, it was 40.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_04: So it's exactly a year to the day.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so that's that's interesting.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, I didn't know that.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_04: All right, well, the the other part about this, and that this gets lost in uh I want the audience to really understand this.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_04: This is why really grabbed my attention from all of this stuff.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_04: So Rudolph Hess just basically disappears.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_04: He doesn't die.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_04: They have a prison.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_04: He goes this there's a prison, Sandau prison.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_04: It's built for 600 inmates.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, only seven inmates go in.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_04: And this was other after um Nuremberg, there was like other uh officers from the Nazi government who were imprisoned there, and that their sentences uh all ended before 1966.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_04: So this is like 1941 after the war, Sandau prisons built.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_04: So he goes to there, and they have four different allied uh groups that oversee this prison.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_04: And he stays there from 1966 to 1987 alone.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_04: There is no other prisoners, it's a it's a facility built for 600 people, and they have four different governments overseeing it for one man, right?
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_00: Think of the annual cost of that.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_00: And they they had it on a rotation per month, so either the US, France, um, Britain, or the Soviet Union, and the Soviet Union liked it because it gave them a little foothold into West Berlin.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_00: So they they liked this going.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_00: But you brought up a great point, Tony, is there were other people serving there who ostensibly committed some sort of war crimes.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_00: What were Hesse's crimes officially?
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_00: They were conspiracy and crimes against peace, for which he was never released from Spandau.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_00: Think about that.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_00: So he went over even before um all the atrocities associated with the Holocaust were even devised.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: So he wasn't charged with any of that.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_00: He was charged with conspiracy and crimes against peace for trying to broker peace, which is hilarious to me.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's it's think about that.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's so ridiculous.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_04: What as far as warfare is concerned, it that is not something that has a precedence where you would take somebody who wasn't totally in command, and then the bulk of the war, and then if if you look at the timeline of what you would call the final solution, which was like 1943 and onward, or the Holocaust or whatever, he's not even there for that.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_00: Nope.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_00: And he tried to kill himself even before the war was over, and Germany was defeated in 42.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: So a year after he was captured, he realized he's never getting out.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_00: He tried to throw himself off a balcony, he ended up breaking a leg, he didn't die.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_00: He tried it again in 43, again before the war was over.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: So he he knew he was in deep trouble at that point.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_00: But um, did you come across?
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_00: I I think this is misinformation, but there supposedly were guards and other witnesses who said that they believed the person at Spandau was wasn't Hess, it was a body double.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_04: I've seen that too.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_00: Because for one, during World War I, there was some shrapnel incident where his one of his chests, his left or right, was marred.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_00: He had like a really serious injury, and he also had like a four-leaf clover on his left cheek that said, Lucky you, but neither of these things.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_00: That was a joke, Tony.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_02: I was waiting for the punchline.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what kind of deep research you're doing.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_00: But the chess one is real, and that they said not the four-leaf.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_04: I was just waiting.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't I don't want to interject, but that's not true.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_04: It said luck of the Irish.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_00: He was 93 years old when he died.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_00: His son Wolf was visiting him pretty frequently, and I believe three days before he ended up dying, Hess communicated to his son that they were going to kill him.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_00: And at this point, there were all sorts of human rights advocates and other entities.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think even all the countries outside of the Soviet Union wanted to release him because what's the point?
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: This is a an elderly man who's being held in solitary confinement.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_00: He he's arthritic, he can't even get his clothes on independently.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_00: He needs help doing that.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_04: This guy's a World War I veteran.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_04: 93.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_04: And he's in 1987, still alive, guarded by four different allied powers in a prison built for you.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_04: Can you talk?
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, think about the the some kind of living hell, like what that would be like just so so that's 46 years.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_00: 46 years like that.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_04: And your crime that you're charged with is disruption of the peace, but you're trying to broker a peace deal.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_04: I mean and so the more I've learned about this, I just and it's stuck when I first read this, it's been over 20 plus years, and I go, Oh, that's not right.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_04: That can't be right.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_04: Like that's not what what were and then the the general uh you know mainstream narrative of historians, if they even get to this, is like, oh, he's just crazy.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_04: He acted alone, he's a lone nut.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, yeah, you don't.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_04: This is this is one of those moments.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_00: Then why didn't why wasn't he sent to a psychological ward?
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you don't crazy camp prisons.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_04: This the what it is is Hess or whatever it was around Hess protects the narrative, and it's almost like I don't know why they didn't off him.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe they did, and maybe there is a double or something like that, but um, and then his family claimed he was murdered anyway, even at 93.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_04: Like, and he's frail.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you I mean, it's kind of like he hung himself, right?
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sure the cameras didn't work too in a garden shed by the same camera company that that Epstein had in a garden shed, and the the door was locked on the outside.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_00: And the witnesses said when the the medical personnel arrived, it looked like a cleanup, not like an investigation at all.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_00: His son demanded an independent autopsy, and one was done at Munich University.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_00: And the pop pathologist's opinion was it was strangulation, it wasn't that he was hung, but key evidence disappeared.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_00: What disappeared?
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, within a Couple of months, I want to say Spandau Prison was demolished for war.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_04: That's another aspect of this.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_04: Another tell.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_04: Another tell.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_04: Right after it's kind of like some other places that have seen atrocities, and the next like week later they're bulldozed.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the Georgia Guide stone, since we brought that up earlier.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, immediately.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_04: Oklahoma City, and there's a there's uh a school that I won't mention the name.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_04: People will know what I'm talking about.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_04: It was bulldozed.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_04: Um you know, there's a whole uh I mean World Trade Center, they uh made sure they got out of everything and shipped that steel off to China as fast as possible, you know.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um and lost money on it.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_00: They destroyed the crime scene.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's a that's a pattern.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_00: And they did it here.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so why did people get interested in this again?
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, like I said, if you're if you're friends with Tony, he'll tell you.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_00: But other people may have seen last year some documents were supposedly uploaded um to a military military historian's archive with heavy encryption and supposedly verified.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mentioned those classified documents were referring to this operation called Black Garden, and in it there's an MI6 memo, months before Hess died, that says containment is it must be absolute, basically.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_00: And Hess's relief was considered a threat to political stability.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_00: Where we heard that before recently.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_04: Hmm.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_04: It's an it's an interesting story, I think.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_04: One that it really is like the effort that was put into silencing him and to overseeing him uh controlling, containing whatever it was that he was trying to do in 1941 is so important to the powers that be uh it's it really is disgusting.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_04: And if you look at it's interesting, I I don't know, did you see the uh interview with Tucker Carlson and Mike Huckabee?
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_00: I did not, but I heard he was interrogated at the airport afterwards, which is normal.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um but what what happened in the interview?
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's the a lot, so the same kind of mentality is coming from Huckabee about war and peace and um you know what what constitutes uh the uh the righteousness of a cause, you know, what what would um justify violence, you know, and war from governments.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_04: And Huckabee is like one of those um brainwashed, you know, Christian Zionist people, yeah, uh, clearly.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_04: And he's just unhinged when it comes to you know the dehumanizing the other side and uh not being I I think what would be Christ-like, not that any of us can really be Christ-like, but I don't understand that mentality where war is good, you know, because it just isn't.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and sometimes you have to fight it, and when you do, you have to fight it the right to fight to win, and some and those are the wars that you do win, those are defensive wars generally.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_00: Especially if you you you think you're carrying the the banner of God's authority with you, you better be really careful what you say or what you do.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I I mean that would make me slow to speak, and people who fear God, I think, are so when you come across people who aren't slow to speak, I question what kind of relationship they have.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I totally question you know, breaking up peaceful areas that are not at war with you to carry out your agenda and going to war with them for your ideology is demonic, and I will never back down from that.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_04: I don't I'm I consider myself a warrior, but I do not want to fight an unjust war.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_04: And there are those who try, it's kind of like in the movie 13 Days.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and not when this is not just the movie, but it really happened where you have Adelai Stevenson who had ran for president twice uh as the Democratic nominee against Eisenhower, and then you know he he he lost.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_04: And uh Kennedy brought him in when he you know finally uh won against Nixon in 60, he brought Adelai Stevenson in, and Stevenson became the head of the UN uh uh or the ambassador to the UN for the United States.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_04: And in the meetings, he was like, Well, perhaps somebody should be a coward, you know, and he just said maybe we could do a deal, do a back channel communique, trade some of our missiles in Turkey to for their uh missiles in Cuba.
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_04: You know, he he floated the idea.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's what they ended up doing.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_04: So, like, thank God for Adly Stevenson, and then Kennedy picked up the idea and they ran with it because the the joint chiefs and everybody there wanted to hit Cuba with an airstrike followed by invasion, and the Soviets were prepared to launch.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_04: And uh Castro even told that to McNamara uh uh years afterwards when they were meeting in Cuba, like he would have just launched if they'd have been ready.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_04: So, I mean, you're messing with things by not having a way out, you push things to the brink.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_04: And I I look at these type of situations where somebody was trying to not have the the cataclysm of think about 1941 onward, where you know you have the the shift with the Axis powers, uh the Japanese hit Pearl Harbor.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we have all the the skirmishes and then uh outright kinetic warfare in Africa going in 1943, 1944, the invasion of Europe, and uh all the Allied bombing, all the all the back and forth that lasted all of that time.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_04: And again, it's 50 million dead.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_04: And could it have had a different outcome?
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_04: You know, what would have happened, alternative history?
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_04: What would have happened had Brita Britain set out the war, uh bolstered its empire, uh not gone into massive debt, made sure to shore up its defenses and technology, maybe an alliance with the United States, and uh let Hitler uh see what if he could make short work of Stalin's Russia, because it would have been a lot harder job to do if you didn't have the United States and Britain sending you uh weapons and munitions.
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_04: And I will make a note for the audience, and you can go look this up for yourself, but the United States State Department was not supporting Britain in 1941, it wanted to stay neutral and out of the war, yeah.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_04: Jack Kennedy, yeah, and and John F.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_04: Kennedy was a part of the America First Movement, and this is before Pearl Harbor, but when Hitler turned on the Soviet Union, the United States policy changed because they wanted to support the communists, because the intellectuals inside the State Department and others in the government, the establishment, had a sympathy.
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_04: Because I think because of our the banking houses in the United States and the elites that had funded Bolshevism from the beginning, right?
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_04: Uh had always had a sympathy sympathy for socialist uh revolutions and common why would why would the bankers have a sympathy for that?
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_04: It is kind of funny.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um they they do, they just they fund uh bankers love the the what it's almost like they've got everything now, so let's just uh get the masses to uh take out the middle class for us, you know, like and we'll just control everything from the we'll control all the resources and they'll pretend like they're actually in charge of something.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_04: That's like the Soviet Union was like the proto-globalist government, it failed uh ultimately.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um expanded though.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, but not until they did horrible things.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_00: I I know it's it's weird.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um speaking of thought experiments, Philip K.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_00: Dick sort of did one up the same vein um when he wrote what was made into the man in the high castle.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_00: But that assumes that you know Hitler was determined to push westward and conquer westward.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_00: But um seems in the beginning he wasn't very interested in that.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_00: He thought his natural allies were Britain and Italy, and uh I don't know, man.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's just kind of crazy.
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  SPEAKER_00: But um, going back to what you're commenting regarding Tucker Carlson and his interview with Mike Huckabee, you know, he gets attacked the same way that I think Buchanan was attacked relentlessly, which is you're an isolationist, and they just use that as a pejorative term, um in the same way that they use conspiracy theorists, right?
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a way to demonize you.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_00: But nothing, according to our founding as a nation, um is similar to our foreign policy that we have now.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we we weren't supposed to get entangled in alliances, our founding fathers didn't want that, right?
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_00: France helped us in the revolution during the revolutionary war.
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  SPEAKER_00: What happened after that?
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_00: Were we entangled in an alliance with France?
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_04: No, and the France had a France had a reason to do that, and they had a state had self-interest in doing.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you can act on self-interest and in a proxy war or something.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_04: I not anything I really agree with, but I'm just saying that's what that was about.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_04: And we didn't have uh entangling alliances forever.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_04: And Washington, they used to read Washington's farewell address in Congress every year until the 1930s.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_04: If funny how they stopped in the in the 30s, because that was always part of our American character, was to stay out of that.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, I talked about it on my show on Thursday.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, leading into these events, it looks like we're gonna have some sort of war with Iran, which I believe could be not just a quag, like best case scenario, it's a quagmire.
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_04: Worst case scenario, it spills into a worldwide kinetic war and resets the global order of things, and that means a lot of people will die.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's just further destruction of the West.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that's the objective.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_04: Further destruction, yes, and we'll get and nobody, and I I don't care who nobody can explain to me why we would be doing.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, does a I know what Mike Huckabee would say?
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I know what Mike Huckabee would say, and I know what Ted Cruz would say, and I know what Lindsey Graham would cry about, but I I he his tears falling into his Chardonnay.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Reports where Lindsey Graham was recently walking around his house knocking off uh glasses on lower shelves, accidentally.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_04: Bad ideas are really the true weapon of mass destruction.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_04: Bad ideas are the like the the ground zero, the genesis for massive bloodletting and and uh cataclysm.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm I I just I'm look this makes me fear for my country when I see people that are supposedly intelligent.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_04: And I said on my show on Thursday, I'm like, if you think that Iran threatens the United States of America and they can topple us, like you are an idiot.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I don't they don't know how foreign policy works, you don't know how any of this works.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_04: And I I mean, is it worth is it worth kids from Iowa and Kentucky and and Texas and New York?
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, is it worth the blood and treasure?
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_04: Is it worth our freedoms and lockdowns?
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_04: And what is it worth to you to carry out uh Israel's bidding in the Middle East?
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_04: I I just it's sick to me, and uh, I'll I'll never I'll always support my what's my military, but not this.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_00: I not I know, and what did Jesus say?
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_00: He said by your by their fruits you will know them.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_00: So again, we've had a lot of leaders in the past who tout how they keep us out of war, and then next turn they get us into war.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's just big war.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_00: It is, it's it's part of the pattern, and uh I don't like it either at all.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when we were on when I was helping some time ago on David Night, we we had a little news segment about the the red heifer sacrifices that they were doing.
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_00: Pete Hegsath was cheering on the construction of the third temple.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_00: Mike Johnson supposedly went over there um during the time where they were doing a practice ceremony where they sacrificed a red heifer, which is according to the Bible, what they did before um the first temple was uh erected of Solomon's.
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_00: And uh what does that consist of?
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_00: Just a red heifer just means a red cow with no blemishes or anything like that.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_00: And there's an evangelist rancher in Texas, in East Texas, who keeps sending um these red heifers overseas for that purpose.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, are any of these people serious Christians?
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Do they know what ushers in the construction of the third temple?
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_00: And they're cheering it on.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that makes sense.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's not it's not what jumps out of out to me in the the New Testament to uh to care to carry out you know and promote physical nation states to usher in Armageddon.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh never been the one.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's what's so crazy to me is all these even pastors who who talk about you know our greatest ally.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, you know, if that happens and you're a Christian and you go through the chronology of the Bible, you know, they're still waiting for their Messiah.
• 1:20:27
  SPEAKER_00: According to Christians, at least the way I interpret it, that person's gonna be the Antichrist, which is gonna be bad news bears for us.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_00: Greatest ally, though.
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_00: Makes no sense.
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_04: It makes absolutely no sense, and it never will to me.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_04: I the elder I get, uh, the more I've been through, and the more I I fear what is on the horizon.
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_04: So let the let the records show that I in no way support any of this stuff.
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_04: And I uh and I'm not a pacifist.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_04: Uh that's very important that I communicate that to my audience.
• 1:21:00
  SPEAKER_04: I'm in no way a pacifist.
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_04: I I do I believe in war preparations, I believe in self-defense, and I believe that sometimes you have to fight, and when you fight, you fight all in.
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_04: It's just that those those wars don't think thankfully, you know, previous generations and we're throwing out that equity, have caused it to where, especially the Cold Warriors, like we don't have to do that anymore.
• 1:21:23
  SPEAKER_04: We have uh a certain amount of technology, we have uh infrastructure, we have uh oceans that protect us.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_04: Like you could you can avoid you know, sending your best and bravest into meat grinder wars uh with no clear reason for doing it.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_04: Like you can avoid that, and a person of wisdom would.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_04: Uh a person of conscience would.
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that's why it's important to do these type of episodes is just to show that history's not what you think it is.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_04: And you have to give these kind of events a second look.
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_04: And my estimate for something like Hess was that there was a peace overture that was squashed and then hidden and then kept in great secrecy because it exposes the fact that they did not want it.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_04: They didn't want the peace.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_04: They wanted to see how far they could push it and what was on the other side uh was good for the ruling order, even if it cost Britain its whole empire.
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_04: It Gor Vidal said something very pithy once about uh that Great Britain just became an aircraft carrier, England became an aircraft carrier for the United States.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_04: But that's where they went.
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that you the the world reserve currency used to be the pound sterling.
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_04: And and and Britain had a gold standard until 1914, still the until the first world war.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_04: And uh after that it it started slowly turning to the US dollar, and then the dollar became the world's reserve currency, and now we're in this cycle of history.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_04: So a lot of things going on at once, but it's important to remember that uh wars, the first casualty of war is the truth, and uh it's important and I I'd rather know the truth and be unpopular and speak the truth and be unpopular than uh than to have this like whatever they're doing now, like to have that blood on my hands.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_04: I won't have any of that blood on my hands.
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:23:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because again, if you're instilled with any fear of God and you you're gonna be held to account one day.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_00: And uh very important.
• 1:23:29
  SPEAKER_04: Very important.
• 1:23:31
  SPEAKER_04: Well, uh anything else to add to this, uh, and I this is always we leave just enough for the audience too to go look up stuff for themselves.
• 1:23:39
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we we're we're we don't have a big budget, we just have uh we have our little bit of crazy that we big interest, yeah.
• 1:23:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_04: Big interest.
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, no, I'm I'm sorry, we spilled over an hour quite a bit.
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I love it.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_04: This is uh this is paratrooter with the the conversations go as long as they have to.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_04: And uh I think we're there.
• 1:24:02
  SPEAKER_04: So if you don't have anything else to add, I think we just wrap it up.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_04: And I wanted to talk to the audience about uh some of the stuff we're gonna be doing.
• 1:24:11
  SPEAKER_04: And um what what do you what do you have, if anything?
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, a future episode-wise.
• 1:24:17
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, just anything left on this episode, anything to add before I not really.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I at least if memory serves me, right?
• 1:24:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we hit all the high points I was considering.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_00: And um, no, I didn't even know about this until you brought it to my attention.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_00: I started digging in and couldn't believe it.
• 1:24:37
  SPEAKER_00: It was quite unbelievable.
• 1:24:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the the sort of things that they try to bury.
• 1:24:42
  SPEAKER_04: And did it never tell you about the prison they built for 600 people that had six guys in it and then just Hess from 1966 to 1987, guarded by four Allied powers?
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean if you weren't crazy following the experimental, you know, um, shots that you were given, which is why he was paranoid and saying that they're trying to poison me.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he probably lost his mind.
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, solitary confinement for 40 years would probably do it for you.
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_00: I can't even imagine that.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's unfathomable to me.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_04: That long, like you know, living that long with having that all that happen to you, that's absolutely insane.
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_00: But they didn't budge until people started making a commotion about it.
• 1:25:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, there's some human rights activists, like the guy's 93 years old, like you're still doing this to him.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's the tell.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's the tell.
• 1:25:36
  SPEAKER_04: Some something something about this just reeks of um of misinformation, of lies and um propaganda and other things that they use to to further a narrative, which is what shapes history, you know.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_04: And um I I I like bringing this to the attention of the audience.
• 1:25:56
  SPEAKER_04: So we we hope that you enjoyed that.
• 1:25:58
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• 1:26:02
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• 1:26:07
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• 1:26:08
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• 1:26:29
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• 1:26:36
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• 1:27:03
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• 1:27:13
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• 1:27:17
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• 1:27:27
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• 1:27:33
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• 1:27:41
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• 1:27:54
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• 1:27:56
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• 1:27:57
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• 1:28:10
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• 1:28:12
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• 1:28:14
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• 1:28:41
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• 1:28:45
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• 1:28:46
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• 1:28:47
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• 1:28:49
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• 1:28:52
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• 1:28:59
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• 1:29:01
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• 1:29:03
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• 1:29:05
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