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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed MCC Lieutenant (Part 2) (4/28/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with a lieutenant from MCC and
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  his interview with the OIG investigators. Question, Okay, do you
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  know at the time who was your supervisor? Answer the
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  captain question? And as the activities lieutenant and you said
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  it was daywatch? Answer yeah, question what were your duties
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  and responsibilities? Answer rounds orderly, institution running the institution question?
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  And what does a round consist of? As a lieutenant
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  answer going up to the unit, speaking to the officer,
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  if you want go to a unit, team, do the
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  tears see what's going on? Question? Now at the time,
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  did Lieutenant redacted when you say go do tears? Were
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  lieutenants responsible for conducting rounds of inmates as well, like,
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  you know, walking up and down the tears to make
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  sure answer something like that, I mean that's are we
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  the lieutenants responsible for that question? Yeah, I know that
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  that's the CEO's primary responsibility. But when you're conducting around
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  in like a unit specifically, we'll talk about the shoe
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  if you visit the shoe, and on this date there
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  was no shoe lieutenant correct answer no. Question So if
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  you are visiting the shoe, are you responsible to conduct
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  any rounds on the tears as a lieutenant? Answer yeah,
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  the lieutenant has to make around in shoey shift. Question
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  So when I say, but when you visit the shoe,
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  is it just visiting the shoe checking in with the
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  officers or do you I mean checking in with the
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  CEOs or is it actually also doing around where the
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  inmates are located and looking in their cells? Answer? I mean, yeah,
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  you're supposed to do around. Question Okay, so that he
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  gets cut off by the lieutenant, You mean, exactly what
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  do you suppose to specifically do? Question? Yeah? I guess
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  what I'm asking is what does the lieutenant round in
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  the shoe insist of? Answer? I don't know. I know
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  for me, I used to like to go down the
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  tears question to actually check on the inmates. Answer yeah,
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  question so you're actually doing he gets cut off by
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  the lieutenant do a whole complete round. Question So you're
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  actually doing a round of the inmates, not just doing
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  around in the shoe to say, hey, are you guys
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  good with the officers? Answer yeah, unless something happens, like
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  if something happens. You know, they just say you all right,
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  it was a BA all right, I'll be back, or
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  something like that. Question right right? You mean if you
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  get called out or something like that, you needed the run,
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  answer that or they call you question right, answer something
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  specific to a specific tale, or gets cut off by
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  the investigator. But were you responsible And this is just
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  in general, not just specifically you. It's any lieutenant if
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  there's no shoe lieutenant responsible to do a round on
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  day watch of the inmates when they visit the shoe. Answer,
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  I'm not sure. Question you're not sure, but you did
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  answer that day question No, I mean just in general,
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  like when you would visit the shoe, you would do that.
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  Answer yeah, Say like if I fill in or whatever,
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  and there is no shoe lieutenant to say, hey, you
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  gotta make around all right, or you have an activities
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  do it or whatever? Question does a lieutenant have to
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  do around on that shift? Answer that would be, yeah,
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  you have to do around. Question Okay, So at least
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  one lieutenant on day watch on August ninth, twenty nineteen
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  had to do around in the shoe of the inmates.
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  Answer on day watch question yeah, answer yeah. Question what
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  about night watch and morning watch? Do they have to
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  do it on those? Answer night watch and morning watch? Yeah.
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  Question so every shift, Lieutenant, he gets cut off by
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  the lieutenant. Three shifts you got to do around question
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  and that gets cut off by the lieutenant again, supposed
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  to do around question and that's with the inmates, not
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  just checking in. Answer I'm not sure. Question. Oh you're
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  not sure, but you would when you did it. Answer
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  I'm on discernible. I'm trying to move around like hit
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  the tears question okay, cool? Do you remember who replaced
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  you that day? Answer? Who I relieved? Question? Yeah? Answer
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  who I relieved? Question? Who relieved? He gets cut off
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  by the lieutenant. Nobody. Question, So because there's no activities
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  lieutenant prior to you? Answer no question, and that's because yeah,
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  there's only for the morning watch. Is there only an
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  obsos lieutenant? Answer yep. Question So you were the first
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  one in on that day and you said that you
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  arrived when answer six o'clock question six am? Okay, And
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  you said you just don't recall who replaced you or
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  if you stayed until four? Correct answer? Yeah, did you
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  look at the video? Question We didn't, haven't had a
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  reason to yet I just assumed that you would have remembered.
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  Answer Nah, I don't remember. Question okay, answer it was
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  twenty nineteen. Question yeah, yeah, no, just because of the
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  you know, this was probably one of the biggest things
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  that's ever happened. Answer yeah, but that's why I'm like,
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  why are they talking about it now? That's why I'm like,
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  he gets cut off. Yeah, I mean now is just
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  because there's things that have happened in the past month
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  that now is creating. He gets cut off by the lieutenant.
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  Oh with the case. Question yeah, that we now have
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  to interview a ton of people to be able to
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  find out who was there, what happened, and all that
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  kind of stuff. Answer yeah, but I'm not sure about
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  the time on that question all right. And are you
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  familiar with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer yeah. Question did you ever
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  work or visit the Shoe while Epstein was assigned to
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  the Shoe in July and August of twenty nineteen? Answer
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  probably did. Question did Epstein have a cell mat when
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  he was in the Shoe? Answer up until that day? Right,
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  question yeah. And do you know if there was a
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  reason why Epstein was assigned to Cellmate? Answer in shoe,
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  you're supposed to be double bunked. Question Okay, so he
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  gets cut off by the lieutenant even if you don't
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  have the whole prior thing before. Question, So everybody in
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  the shoe is supposed to be answer not everybody, but
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  you got certain cases. But he was supposed to have
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  a bunk. Question So as far as who would who
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  wouldn't be assigned to cellmate? Answer? House alone, wreck alone, inmates,
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  you know, hunger strike inmates, and pos question but Epstein
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  was one of those inmates that should have had a
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  cell mate. Answer yeah, he was a regular inmate. Yeah.
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  Question Okay, are you aware that Epstein had attempted to
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  commit suicide on July twenty third, twenty nineteen. Answer yeah.
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  Question and were you one of the responding officers to that?
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  Answer no question? Were you did you have any involvement
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  with it? Answer that incident? No question. No, do you
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  know what transpired? Answer? They say he put something around
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  his neck in his cell and that was it. Question
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  did you ever hear any rumors that his cellmate may
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  have tried to harm them? Answer? Oh, yeah, you're talking
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  about Yeah, I heard about that. Yeah. Question what did
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  you hear about that? Answer that it was a ploy
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  for him to get bail something like that. Question all right,
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  so did you is your understanding that he actually did
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  try to harm himself or was it your understanding that
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  is cell mate tried to harm them? Answer you're talking
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  about the rumor? Question? Yeah, what is your understanding? Answer?
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  The rumor was the guy also had a high profile case,
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  and I think Epstein was up for a Bell hearing,
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  so they made it look like he was doing that
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  in order to get Bell. Question Okay, do you think
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  there was any legitimacy to the rumor? Answer? I don't know,
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  not after this Nah question no answer, no question, all right,
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  So do you believe that he actually did try to
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  harm himself on July twenty third? Answer? Yeah? Question okay,
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  do you know as a result of July twenty third
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  if Epstein if anything happened with Epstein? Was he removed
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  from the shoe and placed anywhere else? Answer? He went
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  to suicide Watch? Question Okay, and what happens on suicide watch?
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  Is that outside of the shoe? Answer? Yeah. Question and
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  then after you get placed on suicide watch, is that
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  a temporary thing? And then you get moved over to
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  psych observation. Answer not all the time. No, that's up
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  to psych. Psych makes that call. Question do you are
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  you aware if Epstein was outside of the shoe and
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  on suicide watch or psych observation for approximately one week? Answer?
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  I know he was definitely on there because I remember
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  seeing Question you saw him there? Answer? Yeah? Question is
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  that because you were doing rounds or why did you
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  see him in there? Answer? I had to because I'm
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  the one who does the showers for suicide inmates or
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  psych watch if you go down there. So he was
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  down there one day, probably a couple days, but I
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  took him to the shower one time. Yeah. Question okay,
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  so you had some interaction with him? Answer yeah, question
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  while he was on suicide watch. Answer suicide watch. Yeah.
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  Question okay, and I just thought I just thought you
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  were only on suicide watch for like twenty four hours,
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  and then after that it was called psych observation. Is
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  that not your understanding? Answer, it's up to psych. That's
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  a psych call. Question. But is it the same they're
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  in the same location. Correct answer, Yeah, but people who
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  are on suicide watch longer than twenty four hours. Question Okay,
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  so you're understanding the whole time he was there. It
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  was called suicide Watch. Answer, I don't remember. Question okay,
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  Answer the whole time he was up there. Question do
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  you know when he was removed from suicide Watch? Answer? No?
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  Question do you know why he was removed from suicide Watch?
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  Answer he would be moved because Psyke said it was okay.
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  Question okay, And then someone is on suicide watch. What
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  does that entail? Answer? You have a suicide smock, suicide mattress,
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  and a suicide blanket, and you allow pretty much no
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  items unless approved. There's a book that they have. Question okay,
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  And what's the difference what's the difference between psych observation?
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  What does that entail? Answer? You got the clothes? Question
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  all right, So when you're on suicide watch, you don't
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  have the clothes. Answer naked. Question you're naked the whole time?
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  And you know if Epstein was naked that whole time.
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  Answer he had a smock and yeah, he didn't have
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  no clothes. Question he didn't have clothes when he was
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  on suicide Watch. Answer you can't have clothes on suicide watch.
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  Question okay, all right, So does it sound right that
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  he would have been removed About a week later, around
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  July thirtieth. Does that sound like a date? Answer? I
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  don't know. Question Okay, did you ever receive any instructions
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  from anyone with regard to Epstein being assigned a cell
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  mate after he came back from Suicide Watch? Answer? I'm
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  not sure. Question you don't remember any verbal conversation or
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  anything like that? Answer? No? Question? All right, I'm going
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  to show you an email and then you can tell
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  me if you remember receiving it. An email from redacted?
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  Do you know who that is? Answer? Yeah? Question all right,
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  it's to Suicide Watch psych Observation Update, and that's also
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  what the subject is, and it's from July thirtieth, twenty nineteen.
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  It says inmate Epstein and it gives his reg number
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  is being taken off psych observation and needs to be
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  housed with an appropriate cell mate. Do you recall receiving that? Answer? Yeah,
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  it's generic. We always get those. Question you get those? Answer? Yeah. Question,
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  there's dams on the back. It shows that you were
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  one of them and that you read it. Do you
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  see your name? Yeah? It would be under redacted, so
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  it's all alphabetical. So does that ring a bell? Do
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  you remember getting that? Answer? Yeah. Question okay, cool. Then
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  do you recall so you were aware that he needed
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  a cell mate? Then? Correct? You already said that you
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  knew he needed one because he was a regular inmate,
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  right answer. Yeah, but I don't know what this is
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  at twelve thirty and the thirtieth right question yeah, seven
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  thirty so yeah. Answer, Oh it was seven thirty on
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  July thirtieth, So he got off on July thirtieth. Question correct,
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  place back in the shoe and required a cell mate? Answer? Okay,
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  And just before we forget, do you mind just initially
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  and dating each one of these documents just so that
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  they don't start piling up and as well as that email?
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  Thank you sir. Now, do you remember having conversations with
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  anyone like verbal like redacted or anyone regarding the need
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  for him to have a cellmate? Answer? No, question, because
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  I'm assuming he was one of the most high profile,
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  if not the most high profile inmate at the time.
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  Correct answer, yeah. Question, so would that be something that
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  they would people would usually communicate with the activities and
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  the absolute tenant about answer. I mean, if you got
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  the email question okay, question, you got to follow up
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  that you wanted to ask this is the other investigator.
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  So you mentioned that you had interacted with Epstein while
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  he was on Suicide Watch and you took him for showers.
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  Answer yeah. Question how was your interaction with him? Answer,
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  you know, cuff up, take them to the shower. Question
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  did you ever talk with them? Answer? Yeah? Question was
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  he pleasant? Were there any issues with that? Answer? He
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  was saying, hey, while I'm down here pretty much. He
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  asked why he was down here. I said, well, he
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  was like, yeah, I'm not suicidal such and such, and
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  you know, let me talk to psych so I can
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  get off this. I don't think he liked it. Question
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  this is immediately after the July twenty third. Answer. I
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  don't know exactly what day it was, but you know
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  it was around there. Question. Got it all right, folks,
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  We're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
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  episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
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