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Brad Breier - Lewis & Clark Golf · The Student Athlete Sessions

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SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to another episode of the Student Athlete Sessions.
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Today we are joined by Brad Breyer,
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current men's and women's golf coach at Lewis and Clark.
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SPEAKER_02: Also a former D3 athlete, played baseball at Willamette University.
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SPEAKER_02: Coach Breyer, thanks for joining us today.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, excited to talk about Division III.
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I think it's,
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I love what you're doing and I think it's a great avenue for
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student athletes.
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SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: And you know it better than most.
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SPEAKER_02: As I mentioned,
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SPEAKER_02: former D3 athlete,
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SPEAKER_02: got your master's in education from a D3 school,
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SPEAKER_02: Chapman University out in California.
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SPEAKER_02: Started coaching a little bit, University of Redlands.
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SPEAKER_02: And now, as I mentioned earlier, at Lewis and Clark.
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SPEAKER_02: So really D3 guy through and through here.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, pretty crazy.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's just, I mean, I was a teacher.
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SPEAKER_00: I was planning on being a teacher forever.
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SPEAKER_00: This coaching thing, you know, really kind of came about out of nowhere.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: Coach Santua down at University of Redlands,
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SPEAKER_00: good friend,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: wouldn't be sitting here talking to you if he had just been like,
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SPEAKER_00: hey,
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SPEAKER_00: do you want to come be my assistant coach?
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SPEAKER_00: So pretty, very grateful to him.
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SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I've had an interesting path.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't play the sport that I coached.
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SPEAKER_00: So,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: and I've gone,
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SPEAKER_00: I've had a lot of experiences at division three that,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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I try to learn from and try to make sure that I do the best for
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my kids that I can
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SPEAKER_00: and give them a great experience over their four years here.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's what it's all about, just outcomes.
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SPEAKER_02: And,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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everyone who played at the D3 level or coach knows that it's
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about way more than
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SPEAKER_02: athletics.
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SPEAKER_02: So I think, you know, that's the right mindset.
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SPEAKER_02: And we're going to get into it today.
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But I think just kind of start out with where we do with most
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guests here.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's go through your recruiting process.
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SPEAKER_02: How did you find Willamette?
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SPEAKER_02: And when did you know you wanted to play college baseball?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, what was that timeline like as a high schooler?
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Um,
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you know,
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like I think most kids,
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I really wanted to play Division One.
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You know,
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my family,
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big UCLA people,
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multiple generations had gone there.
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Unfortunate for me,
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not a lot of 5'10 catchers are going to go Division One.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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especially at the time when UCLA was like winning national
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championships with
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SPEAKER_00: Trevor Bauer and Garrett Cole on that on that pitching staff.
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SPEAKER_00: So
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: I kind of had a realization about halfway through my junior year that,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: there were some division ones that were kind of talking to me,
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SPEAKER_00: but,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: I needed to start looking at other avenues cause I knew I wanted to play.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I didn't want to just stop playing.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: and then my trial,
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SPEAKER_00: I had a great,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: kind of senior season,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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my travel coach reached out to his friend who was the hitting
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coach at Willamette
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SPEAKER_00: and,
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SPEAKER_00: you
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SPEAKER_00: they had a prior relationship and he's like,
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SPEAKER_00: Hey,
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SPEAKER_00: I got this catcher that,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: kind of is still looking for a home.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: so,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: came up and,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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saw the school never had been to the Pacific Northwest ever had
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no idea what I was
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SPEAKER_00: expecting.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm from LA.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm an LA kid.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, and I came up and,
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SPEAKER_00: It happened to be one of those perfect days of weather.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a river flowing through campus at Willamette.
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SPEAKER_00: The stadium is pretty cool.
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And for me,
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that was when I kind of decided like,
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hey,
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I'm interested in going to this school.
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SPEAKER_00: So applied, went through all that.
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SPEAKER_00: Honestly, didn't have a lot of communication with the head coach.
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I had more communication with the assistant coach and decided
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that it would be a
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SPEAKER_00: good fit for me.
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um and then i got up here and you know i i had a great four
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years i have tons of
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memories you know my teammates are family we still talk to this
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day um you know but
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my my recruiting process was you know i i didn't really know i
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was the first one in
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my family to kind of ever think about playing college sports um
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so you know my
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SPEAKER_00: parents
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SPEAKER_00: Lord knows they gave me every opportunity and they did their best,
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SPEAKER_00: but you know,
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SPEAKER_00: it's,
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SPEAKER_00: it's hard if you don't know the pathways and what you need to be doing.
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SPEAKER_00: It's hard to, it's hard to get recruited.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I didn't know that I needed to be sending emails.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't know that I needed to be,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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playing in certain tournaments or going to different scouting
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events or anything
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SPEAKER_00: like that.
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SPEAKER_00: Nobody really told me what was going on.
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SPEAKER_00: I just kind of played and let things happen.
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: and I ended up playing for all four years and I had a great experience,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: but it was,
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SPEAKER_00: it was,
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SPEAKER_00: it was a very,
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SPEAKER_00: I guess,
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SPEAKER_00: small recruiting window for me or recruiting process for me.
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It wasn't like,
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you know,
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three years of sending emails and all this other stuff.
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It was,
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it was more like six months where I was like,
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you know,
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okay,
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I want to keep playing.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm happy I did wouldn't trade those four years for anything.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I said, I have memories forever.
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You know,
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every time I see my my guys,
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you know,
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we just we sit and just talk for hours.
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SPEAKER_00: It's never it's never usually about the baseball either.
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SPEAKER_00: It's about it's about like all the stuff that we did,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: in class and,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: the projects and the senior thesis and all that stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, kind of where we're at now.
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SPEAKER_00: But it it it was it was an awesome four years.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And that, I mean, typically that's what remains, you know, after you...
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SPEAKER_02: no one really will remember their career batting average or like,
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SPEAKER_02: uh,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: win loss record if they were a pitcher or anything like that.
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It's more,
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you know,
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the moments on the bus rides,
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um,
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on a Wednesday night or.
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SPEAKER_00: I caught every game.
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SPEAKER_00: So like I'm icing my knees on a bus ride home from Tacoma,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm sitting in the back and my legs are killing me and I'm just like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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my teammates gave me the back row so I can stretch out a little
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bit because I,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: just caught three games in two days.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: it was,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: the memories of,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: the going and camping,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: in the offseason or,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: the just the weather that sometimes we played in.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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I guarantee there's not a player that didn't play during my
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time at the Lambeth
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that won't talk about sponging the field where we have these
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giant foam sponges and
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SPEAKER_00: we had to take them out and get the puddles of water off off the field.
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SPEAKER_00: And it stunk in the moment.
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SPEAKER_00: or pulling the tarp at like 5 a.m.
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before class,
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like to get the water off so the field can dry so we can play
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later.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: just all those little things that you end up having to do,
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SPEAKER_00: those are the memories that end up sticking with you.
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SPEAKER_00: And in the moment, yeah, like my hands were frozen and my feet were cold.
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SPEAKER_00: But,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: now we look back at it and we laugh about it because,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: one of our friends got stuck under the tarp for,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: or something ridiculous like that.
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SPEAKER_00: So, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Another funny addition to the,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: people like to glamorize college athletics,
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SPEAKER_02: but at the D3 level,
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SPEAKER_02: it is.
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SPEAKER_02: You are the Browns crew if you're a baseball player.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: the amount of times I tamp the clay down into that home plate,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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just to have some batter in the next game come and dig it out
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in 30 seconds.
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SPEAKER_00: And I would just stare at him just being like,
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SPEAKER_00: dude,
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SPEAKER_00: you have no idea how long that took me to do.
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SPEAKER_02: Thanks for ripping it up.
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SPEAKER_00: just ripped it up in the first inning of the series.
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SPEAKER_00: And you know,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: you're going to,
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you have to go fix it again after the series when all you want
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to do is go home and
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SPEAKER_00: throw Netflix on and,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: grab some Taco Bell on the way home.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's just, you know, it's,
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SPEAKER_00: it was an absolute blast though.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: I,
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SPEAKER_00: it,
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SPEAKER_00: I always tell my players,
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SPEAKER_00: I talk a lot about,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: what if,
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SPEAKER_00: and making sure that they don't have any regrets,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: at the end of their career,
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SPEAKER_00: because the second it's gone,
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SPEAKER_00: you miss it.
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SPEAKER_00: You miss it instantly.
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One of my senior captain last year was coming back to assistant
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coach this year and
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SPEAKER_00: he's dying because he's like,
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SPEAKER_00: I miss being at practice already.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I want to, I want to be with the team.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's like, and it's like that way forever.
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SPEAKER_00: So,
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I'm very fortunate that I get to do that now as a profession
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that I get to,
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SPEAKER_00: I get to be around that team environment.
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That's really where it started with coach Zantua at Redlands
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was I just missed
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SPEAKER_00: being around team.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what I told him.
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SPEAKER_00: That's how the initial conversation was.
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SPEAKER_00: I was just like,
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SPEAKER_00: Hey man,
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like I miss being around the team environment because golf is
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such an individual
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SPEAKER_00: sport that like I,
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SPEAKER_00: I really missed,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: being and creating those memories and stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: And I, I love those Redlands teams.
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We had an absolute blast this last year,
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you know,
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here and it's,
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it's just a lot of fun.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And for,
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SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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SPEAKER_02: for those who are listening and maybe wondering like why you switched,
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SPEAKER_02: like why not go be the assistant baseball coach at Redlands?
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SPEAKER_02: Like why golf for you?
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I,
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obviously like I was a catcher took a lot of,
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took a pretty good beating in college.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, body was definitely a little worn out.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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I was I went to teaching school and I was substitute teaching
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and Fridays that I
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SPEAKER_00: would always just give myself a day off.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'd always have a three day weekend.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was it was a little nice of like I'd sub Monday through Thursday.
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SPEAKER_00: I had class Monday through Thursday.
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SPEAKER_00: And then Friday,
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SPEAKER_00: Saturday,
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Sunday was basically homework or hanging out back at home
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because there is a lot of
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SPEAKER_00: things as being a student athlete like you have to sacrifice.
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SPEAKER_00: I wasn't home much during the summers.
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SPEAKER_00: I was out playing summer league somewhere.
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during college so like i finally got to go back and hang out
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and be with my friends
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go hang out on the beach you know kind of some of the things
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that i missed during
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college um and i was just sitting on the couch one day and my
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buddy hit me up and
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was like hey man you want to go play nine holes at twilight and
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i was just like
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this is this is dumb the ball's not even moving golf isn't hard
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like this is like
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SPEAKER_00: it's a joke right um
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SPEAKER_00: And I went out and like,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm playing with three buddies that,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: didn't even play high school sports and I'm just getting killed.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm like, I'm this college athlete.
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SPEAKER_00: My ego took a little bit of a beating that day because I'm just,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm sitting there and I'm just going like,
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SPEAKER_00: how is my five foot five,
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like little tiny friend hitting it exactly where he wants every
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single time.
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SPEAKER_00: And I can't hit a fair way to save my life.
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SPEAKER_00: But after hitting hooks,
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SPEAKER_00: shanks,
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SPEAKER_00: tops,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever you want to,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever you,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever you want to think about,
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SPEAKER_00: like I hit it that day.
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SPEAKER_00: I hit one in the center of the face.
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SPEAKER_00: It was just hooked.
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SPEAKER_00: It was like hitting a line drive again.
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You know,
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that feeling of just kind of like you almost didn't even make
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contact with it.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think any golfer or baseball player knows what that feels like.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like you almost just didn't even hit the ball.
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And I remember I went and got golf clubs the next day and I
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spent the next year on
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SPEAKER_00: the driving range.
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SPEAKER_00: I was either stubbing,
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SPEAKER_00: playing golf on a driving range or going to class.
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SPEAKER_00: That, that was it for the next like year while I was doing school.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and I just got really addicted to it.
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SPEAKER_00: So it just, it replaced baseball for me.
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My competitive baseball days were over and it kind of filled a
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void for me a little bit.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and golf truly is like, how bad do you want it?
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SPEAKER_00: Because like, I wasn't on the team anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: So I like, I'm like, okay, I just don't want to shoot a hundred.
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So then I got to the 80s pretty quick because if you can keep
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it on the planet,
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SPEAKER_00: you can take some strokes off your game pretty quick.
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SPEAKER_00: And then it's how do I get to the 70s?
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, I got to the 70s.
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SPEAKER_00: How do I get to scratch?
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SPEAKER_00: Once I got to scratch,
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how do I get to the 60s and start beating some of these people
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that played college
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SPEAKER_00: golf?
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And that was kind of what led to the Redlands connection was I
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would go chip and putt because –
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SPEAKER_00: I can, I can hit it a mile, but I had no idea how to putt at 10 feet.
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So I would just go down to the short game area when I moved out
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to Redlands and,
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SPEAKER_00: uh,
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SPEAKER_00: practice and team would be down there practicing on their short game.
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And I just kind of got to know him,
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you know,
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and I got to know coach Zantua and.
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um you know we became friends and that's that's how this whole
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stem it's it's been
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a it's been a wild ride if you'd asked me you know five years
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ago you know what
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would you be doing in five years i'd be like i'd probably be
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teaching my special ed
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class or thinking about maybe moving into administration at
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some point you know i
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was never planning on leaving the classroom um you know i
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remember when i got a
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SPEAKER_00: text from
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The Lewis and Clark baseball coach was my old catching coach,
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and he texted me.
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SPEAKER_00: He's like, hey, they're about to have an opening with the golf program.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like, they're not going to hire an ex-baseball guy.
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SPEAKER_00: I was really interested.
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SPEAKER_00: I really wanted it right off the bat, and Cod knows this.
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SPEAKER_00: He just was like,
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SPEAKER_00: oh,
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SPEAKER_00: my God,
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slow down a little bit because I went 100 miles an hour
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instantly with all the
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SPEAKER_00: ideas and all this stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: And,
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SPEAKER_00: uh,
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SPEAKER_00: he's like,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: you can still gotta go through,
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SPEAKER_00: you gotta go through the interview process.
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SPEAKER_00: He's like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: and it's great when your mentor is down the hall,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: he was my mentor in college.
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SPEAKER_00: And now like, you know, I go into his office all the time and bug him.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, but it's, uh,
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SPEAKER_00: You know, it was crazy.
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SPEAKER_00: I remember getting the call from Mark Piotrek,
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SPEAKER_00: our athletic director,
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and I went screaming down the street because I was so excited
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to have the job.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, and it's been a great fit.
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I love living in Portland and I have a really good
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administration that really,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: supports us and wants us to be successful.
13:03
SPEAKER_00: So it's been a lot of fun.
13:04
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's been a crazy ride.
13:06
SPEAKER_02: That is a journey.
13:07
SPEAKER_02: And I want to just call out for kids listening to this or,
13:12
SPEAKER_02: you know,
13:14
there is some element after your career is over as an athlete
13:17
that for a lot of
13:19
SPEAKER_02: people physically playing that sport anymore.
13:21
I mean,
13:22
baseball is also a hard one to get,
13:24
you know,
13:24
22 people together to play pickup.
13:27
SPEAKER_02: But yeah.
13:28
And physically,
13:29
you know,
13:30
I was the same way with my knees at the end of my basketball
13:32
career.
13:32
SPEAKER_02: It's like every practice at the end of my senior year,
13:34
SPEAKER_02: my body would just be like,
13:36
SPEAKER_02: what are we doing?
13:37
SPEAKER_02: You know, like, why are we putting these shoes on and going again?
13:40
SPEAKER_02: Because I was just so beat up.
13:43
SPEAKER_02: And
13:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
13:44
I think there's some element of reinvention and trying to
13:47
figure out like,
13:48
SPEAKER_02: OK,
13:48
SPEAKER_02: who are you?
13:49
Who am I as an athlete now that this sport that I've played for
13:53
so long and it's
13:54
SPEAKER_02: brought me so much is like is no longer a thing.
13:59
So I just want to commend you on that kind of that reinvention
14:02
and figuring out
14:03
SPEAKER_02: your new athletic passion.
14:05
Yeah,
14:06
I mean,
14:06
I think I think if you're a competitor,
14:08
you're going to find something right.
14:09
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, I'm a competitive person.
14:11
SPEAKER_00: You know, I want to win.
14:13
SPEAKER_00: You know,
14:13
it was one of the reasons why I was interested in this gig is I
14:16
was just like,
14:16
SPEAKER_00: I want to take a program that's struggling a little bit right now.
14:19
SPEAKER_00: And I want to,
14:20
SPEAKER_00: I want to win,
14:20
SPEAKER_00: you know,
14:21
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to just,
14:22
SPEAKER_00: you know,
14:22
SPEAKER_00: go to tournaments and,
14:23
SPEAKER_00: you know,
14:23
SPEAKER_00: be coming forth.
14:25
SPEAKER_00: I want to go to tournaments with the,
14:26
SPEAKER_00: you know,
14:27
SPEAKER_00: people thinking like,
14:28
SPEAKER_00: Hey,
14:28
SPEAKER_00: Lewis and Clark's here.
14:29
SPEAKER_00: Like they're here to win the tournament.
14:31
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's, that's my goal.
14:32
SPEAKER_00: And that's what my kids work for.
14:34
SPEAKER_00: And that's why we do the,
14:35
SPEAKER_00: the,
14:36
SPEAKER_00: we run the program the way we do it's,
14:38
SPEAKER_00: you know,
14:38
SPEAKER_00: it's to have a great experience,
14:39
SPEAKER_00: but you know,
14:40
SPEAKER_00: part of having a great experience is winning.
14:42
SPEAKER_00: It's nice to win.
14:43
Winning is that validation at the end of the day that you're
14:46
doing the right things
14:48
SPEAKER_00: the right way.
14:49
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
14:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
14:51
and anyone who looks at the Lewis and Clark men's and women's
14:53
golf team right now
14:54
SPEAKER_02: would say,
14:54
SPEAKER_02: oh,
14:54
SPEAKER_02: you know,
14:55
SPEAKER_02: successful program.
14:57
SPEAKER_02: You guys are winning tournaments.
15:00
SPEAKER_02: As we talked about a little bit before we started recording,
15:02
SPEAKER_02: 11 men,
15:04
SPEAKER_02: eight women on the current rosters coming in.
15:07
SPEAKER_02: But it was not that way when you took over.
15:10
SPEAKER_02: What was the status of the program when you got that head coaching role?
15:16
SPEAKER_00: Um,
15:17
SPEAKER_00: so I,
15:17
SPEAKER_00: I,
15:17
SPEAKER_00: I didn't,
15:18
SPEAKER_00: I didn't have full teams on either side,
15:20
SPEAKER_00: so we couldn't compete as a team.
15:21
SPEAKER_00: So you need a minimum of four.
15:23
SPEAKER_00: And I didn't have that on either side.
15:25
SPEAKER_00: So my,
15:26
SPEAKER_00: my guys had to play as Indies and I didn't have any ladies,
15:29
SPEAKER_00: um,
15:30
SPEAKER_00: you know,
15:30
SPEAKER_00: uh,
15:31
SPEAKER_00: coming in,
15:32
SPEAKER_00: you know,
15:32
SPEAKER_00: we had a few people make some spot tournament starts for us,
15:36
SPEAKER_00: but you know,
15:36
SPEAKER_00: like it was,
15:37
SPEAKER_00: it was really one of those things of like,
15:39
SPEAKER_00: it was the first year was rough,
15:40
SPEAKER_00: man.
15:41
SPEAKER_00: Like,
15:41
SPEAKER_00: if you're a competitor,
15:42
SPEAKER_00: like,
15:42
and you're just automatically at the bottom of the leaderboard
15:44
because you
15:45
SPEAKER_00: physically don't have enough bodies,
15:48
SPEAKER_00: that's tough.
15:49
SPEAKER_00: So,
15:49
SPEAKER_00: you know,
15:50
SPEAKER_00: I commend the guys that were here,
15:54
SPEAKER_00: you know,
15:54
SPEAKER_00: and they were,
15:55
SPEAKER_00: you know,
15:55
and I basically started every meeting with this because I still
15:58
have two on our
15:59
SPEAKER_00: roster.
16:00
SPEAKER_00: They've done everything I've asked of them.
16:02
SPEAKER_00: Like we,
16:03
SPEAKER_00: I've,
16:03
SPEAKER_00: they've tried every goofy experiment that I've possibly thought of,
16:07
SPEAKER_00: you know,
16:08
SPEAKER_00: to do practice,
16:09
SPEAKER_00: to do,
16:10
SPEAKER_00: you know,
16:10
SPEAKER_00: to how we do things,
16:11
SPEAKER_00: you know,
16:12
SPEAKER_00: it's kind of,
16:13
SPEAKER_00: it's very similar to teaching.
16:14
It's like your first two years,
16:15
you're really just trying to hold your head above water.
16:17
SPEAKER_00: Like, what am I doing?
16:19
SPEAKER_00: Am I doing things the right way?
16:20
SPEAKER_00: What worked last year?
16:21
SPEAKER_00: What didn't?
16:23
um you know and then by the time i'm going into my third season
16:25
now here and it's
16:27
like it just feels like the off season's a little bit easier
16:29
feels like you kind of
16:30
know how you're going to run things you know you kind of have
16:32
an idea of what your
16:33
tournament schedule is going to be i mean i had no idea how to
16:36
even set up a
16:36
tournament schedule i had no idea how that i was like is there
16:39
a is there a
16:39
database like do i just go click like hey can we go to that one
16:43
or you know i
16:44
SPEAKER_00: didn't i didn't know how any of this was done um
16:47
SPEAKER_00: And,
16:48
SPEAKER_00: you know,
16:48
it was thankfully I have very patient bosses who didn't share
16:52
in section and mark
16:53
that didn't mind to be just absolutely bugging them with
16:57
questions all the time.
17:01
Sharon calls me a golden retriever because I go in 18
17:03
directions at the same time sometimes.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: And she has to sometimes be like, hey, let's get this done first.
17:09
SPEAKER_00: And I'm an idea person.
17:11
SPEAKER_00: For better or for worse, I have ideas and I see if they work.
17:15
SPEAKER_00: And if they don't, I don't do them again.
17:16
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it was...
17:18
SPEAKER_00: The program was in a rough, rough spot.
17:20
SPEAKER_00: I think there's a lot of excitement about this upcoming season.
17:24
SPEAKER_00: I think we know that we have talent.
17:25
SPEAKER_00: I think the alumni are really excited.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
17:27
SPEAKER_00: last year,
17:28
we basically broke every statistical record for a long time on
17:32
the men's side.
17:33
SPEAKER_00: You know,
17:33
SPEAKER_00: we hold a lot of the top three scoring records,
17:35
SPEAKER_00: you know,
17:36
and I think we're going to continue to rewrite the record book
17:41
going forward.
17:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:45
SPEAKER_02: And I'm sure, you know, golfers are getting better.
17:48
SPEAKER_02: The quality of golfer you can recruit is getting better.
17:51
SPEAKER_02: But just before we get into,
17:53
SPEAKER_02: you know,
17:54
SPEAKER_02: stroke scoring records,
17:56
SPEAKER_02: I just want to circle back to the guys and women that,
18:01
SPEAKER_02: you know,
18:02
SPEAKER_02: have helped you build this culture.
18:04
Like for recruits listening to this,
18:07
like what are some of the characteristics that
18:11
SPEAKER_02: from those players that you have really valued as a coach?
18:15
Like what are some of the things that your players have done
18:17
that you look back on
18:18
SPEAKER_02: and you're like,
18:19
that was something that helps cement this culture we're trying
18:22
to build at Lewis
18:23
SPEAKER_02: and Clark.
18:24
SPEAKER_00: You know,
18:26
I'm very grateful to this group because it's really easy to
18:28
step into a winning
18:29
SPEAKER_00: program,
18:29
SPEAKER_00: right?
18:30
SPEAKER_00: It's easy to want to go to a successful program.
18:32
It's a lot harder to go to a program where the coach is
18:35
preaching a vision and then you have to,
18:39
SPEAKER_00: imagine it in your head because it's physically not there.
18:42
SPEAKER_00: So I'm grateful.
18:43
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
18:43
SPEAKER_00: I brought in six guys and six ladies last year,
18:46
SPEAKER_00: which is a huge recruiting class for golf,
18:48
SPEAKER_00: but we needed it.
18:49
SPEAKER_00: You know, we needed to have a women's full women's team.
18:52
SPEAKER_00: We needed to have a full men's team.
18:56
You know,
18:56
the,
18:57
the big thing that I look for is,
18:58
you know,
18:59
I'm a big,
18:59
big,
19:01
I want personality.
19:03
SPEAKER_00: I want somebody that's going to be a team person.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: I want somebody that's going to help with help people.
19:08
SPEAKER_00: with their games.
19:10
SPEAKER_00: I want a competitive person.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: You know,
19:13
SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of the time people think division three,
19:15
SPEAKER_00: Oh,
19:15
SPEAKER_00: it's academic and all that stuff.
19:17
SPEAKER_00: No, we're, we're fiery competitors.
19:18
SPEAKER_00: Like you put, you put us out there.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: We're, we're there to win.
19:22
You know,
19:23
and I think,
19:24
you know,
19:25
some of the other things is just,
19:26
are you coachable?
19:28
Are you willing to make changes that will make you worse in the
19:30
short run,
19:31
SPEAKER_00: but will make you better in the long run?
19:33
SPEAKER_00: Are you willing to miss a lineup?
19:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:35
SPEAKER_00: You know, I think it's under 10 percent of incoming freshmen play.
19:40
SPEAKER_00: You know,
19:41
SPEAKER_00: so like it's realistic that you may not play as a freshman,
19:45
SPEAKER_00: you know,
19:47
SPEAKER_00: and you have to have the mental adversity to be able to handle that.
19:51
SPEAKER_00: You know,
19:51
you have to be able to deal with the fact that you might have
19:53
been the number one
19:54
SPEAKER_00: on your high school for four years.
19:57
SPEAKER_00: And then you come here and you're like seventh on the depth chart.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: You know, and that's tough.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: That can be tough.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: But I think the big thing is,
20:04
SPEAKER_00: is that coachability is like,
20:06
SPEAKER_00: you know,
20:07
SPEAKER_00: OK,
20:07
SPEAKER_00: so you're missing lineups.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: What are we going to do to fix that?
20:10
SPEAKER_00: What are we going to change?
20:11
SPEAKER_00: What is holding you out of those lineups?
20:13
SPEAKER_00: What is the what is the factor that's keeping you out?
20:17
SPEAKER_00: And are you willing to be disciplined enough?
20:20
SPEAKER_00: Because golf practice, let's be real.
20:22
SPEAKER_00: We all want to go just hit drivers all the time.
20:24
SPEAKER_00: Like we want to go hit drivers all the time.
20:26
SPEAKER_00: It's fun.
20:27
SPEAKER_00: I like to do it too.
20:28
SPEAKER_00: Like nobody wants to go hit,
20:30
SPEAKER_00: you know,
20:31
a whole bunch of 60 degree wedges on the range and like do all
20:34
that stuff.
20:34
SPEAKER_00: But, you know, are you disciplined enough to, to practice the right way?
20:39
SPEAKER_00: And I think when we implemented decade golf,
20:42
SPEAKER_00: which is a stat based system in the spring,
20:44
SPEAKER_00: I think that really helped this group.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: And,
20:47
SPEAKER_00: and that's,
20:47
SPEAKER_00: and that's really what they did is they're,
20:49
SPEAKER_00: they're very disciplined to how they're practicing.
20:52
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's why from fall to spring,
20:54
SPEAKER_00: we played a lot better,
20:56
SPEAKER_00: even despite being a very,
20:58
SPEAKER_00: very young group.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: I think it just, you know, that system really helped us.
21:01
SPEAKER_00: I think it and credit to the team.
21:04
SPEAKER_00: You know, I didn't really have to push them to use it.
21:07
SPEAKER_00: They wanted it.
21:08
SPEAKER_00: They wanted it.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: What is the system?
21:11
SPEAKER_00: It's decade golf.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: It's an analytic system.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: So basically they go in,
21:14
they enter all their stats from their rounds and it tells them
21:16
where did you gain
21:17
SPEAKER_00: shots?
21:18
SPEAKER_00: Where did you lose shots?
21:19
SPEAKER_00: So it's off the tee approach, you know, chipping, putting.
21:23
And it basically breaks it down into what are you doing well
21:26
and what are you doing bad?
21:27
SPEAKER_00: So they don't have to guess, right?
21:28
They don't have to be like,
21:29
oh,
21:29
you know,
21:30
I just really didn't putt well today.
21:31
Well,
21:32
actually,
21:32
decade says that you didn't hit your approaches very close.
21:35
And that's,
21:36
you know,
21:36
from 35 feet,
21:37
you're not going to two putt every single time.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: So it's actually not your putting.
21:42
SPEAKER_00: It's your approach.
21:45
SPEAKER_00: It really drives the practice.
21:46
SPEAKER_00: They're a very disciplined group.
21:49
SPEAKER_00: They're a lot of fun.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: I never have to drag them to practice.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: I never have to worry if they're getting work in.
21:54
SPEAKER_00: I have to sometimes tell them to chill out.
21:57
I have to sometimes tell them,
21:58
I don't need you going and hitting balls at 10 o'clock at
22:00
night.
22:01
you know,
22:02
in our on-campus facility,
22:03
like sometimes I need them to take a break.
22:05
So,
22:06
you know,
22:06
to the recruits out there,
22:08
it's,
22:08
you know,
22:08
I would break it down like that.
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SPEAKER_00: Are you coachable?
22:11
SPEAKER_00: Are you disciplined?
22:12
Are you mentally tough enough to maybe deal with some adversity
22:16
early in your career?
22:18
And I think that's something that,
22:20
you know,
22:20
I don't promise playing time.
22:23
SPEAKER_00: I promise the opportunity to earn it.
22:25
SPEAKER_00: You know,
22:25
SPEAKER_00: you will always be able to qualify here,
22:28
SPEAKER_00: but I'm not going to promise you playing time.
22:31
You can sit for a while,
22:34
but the thing is we don't do coaches' picks here.
22:37
SPEAKER_00: So if you're not making lineups,
22:38
SPEAKER_00: it's because you're not shooting the scores,
22:40
and then I'm one of those coaches that's going to look at you
22:43
and be like,
22:43
SPEAKER_00: okay,
22:43
SPEAKER_00: so what is it?
22:44
SPEAKER_00: What do we need to go work on?
22:45
SPEAKER_00: Let's go do it.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: We get some really talented players at Division III,
22:50
some super talented players that for whatever reason didn't get
22:55
any Division I
22:55
SPEAKER_00: looks,
22:56
SPEAKER_00: right?
22:57
SPEAKER_00: And my job is to develop their games and to teach.
23:02
SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of how I see it.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: And you have to have the right kid.
23:06
SPEAKER_00: Some people don't want their swing to change.
23:10
If you're not trying to emulate the professional golfers and
23:12
try to get your
23:13
SPEAKER_00: numbers on the launch monitors to the same,
23:16
SPEAKER_00: if those are the best in the world and that's how they're doing it,
23:18
SPEAKER_00: why wouldn't you?
23:20
SPEAKER_00: So that's a big thing for recruits.
23:23
SPEAKER_00: And that's something that they need to look for in recruiting as well is
23:27
SPEAKER_00: am I going to get developed as a player?
23:29
SPEAKER_00: You know, I was a baseball guy.
23:31
SPEAKER_00: I taught myself golf,
23:32
SPEAKER_00: had a few lessons,
23:33
SPEAKER_00: you know,
23:34
SPEAKER_00: I've,
23:35
SPEAKER_00: but it became a,
23:36
SPEAKER_00: it became an addition for me.
23:37
SPEAKER_00: It became something that like,
23:38
SPEAKER_00: you know,
23:39
SPEAKER_00: I strive to get better,
23:41
SPEAKER_00: you know,
23:41
SPEAKER_00: every single time I go practice and you know,
23:45
SPEAKER_00: I'd be by working on my own game.
23:47
SPEAKER_00: It taught me how to work on others.
23:50
SPEAKER_02: I was going to ask,
23:51
SPEAKER_02: do you think it gives you a different viewpoint,
23:55
SPEAKER_02: maybe a coaching advantage,
23:57
SPEAKER_02: having taught yourself golf and coming to it later in life,
23:59
that you're not as stuck in your ways on how things should work
24:04
and maybe more open
24:05
SPEAKER_02: to the analytics approach?
24:07
SPEAKER_02: How do you view that?
24:07
SPEAKER_02: Also,
24:08
SPEAKER_02: how do recruits,
24:10
SPEAKER_02: do you have to convince any kids who are like,
24:13
SPEAKER_02: why would I listen to a baseball player?
24:17
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure there's somebody that's asked themselves.
24:19
I'm sure I've lost the recruit because they're like,
24:21
oh,
24:21
he played baseball.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's fine.
24:23
SPEAKER_00: Right.
24:23
I think anybody that kind of comes on our visits and sees how
24:26
we do things and can
24:29
SPEAKER_00: pick up pretty quick that,
24:30
SPEAKER_00: like,
24:30
I'm knowledgeable about what needs to be worked on and what it
24:34
needs to be.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: You know, I think.
24:39
SPEAKER_00: you know, for me, I'm always looking for a way to get better.
24:42
SPEAKER_00: Like last year we finished in fifth in conference, right?
24:44
SPEAKER_00: And using the team as an example,
24:46
what are we gonna change in order to not finish in fifth this
24:49
year and move up?
24:50
SPEAKER_00: You know,
24:51
you don't do the same things over and over thinking that you're
24:53
just gonna get a
24:54
SPEAKER_00: different result.
24:55
SPEAKER_00: That's the definition of insanity.
24:57
And it's something that I swear I've heard in every sport
24:59
across all decades is
25:02
SPEAKER_00: doing the same thing over expecting a different result.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure you've heard it as well.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: but you know,
25:08
SPEAKER_00: for me is,
25:08
SPEAKER_00: you know,
25:09
SPEAKER_00: are you going to make the changes that you need to make,
25:11
SPEAKER_00: you know,
25:12
SPEAKER_00: and,
25:12
SPEAKER_00: and,
25:12
SPEAKER_00: and the stuff like that.
25:13
SPEAKER_00: And I think that in my own personal game,
25:16
SPEAKER_00: you know,
25:16
SPEAKER_00: I,
25:17
SPEAKER_00: like I said,
25:18
SPEAKER_00: when we were talking earlier,
25:19
SPEAKER_00: like ex baseball guy usually equates to a decent amount of speed,
25:22
SPEAKER_00: you know,
25:24
SPEAKER_00: hitting driver,
25:25
SPEAKER_00: I can hit it a long way,
25:26
SPEAKER_00: but I couldn't chip at 10 feet,
25:28
SPEAKER_00: you know?
25:29
SPEAKER_00: So it was like,
25:29
SPEAKER_00: you know,
25:30
SPEAKER_00: I had to go teach myself and I had to go find,
25:32
SPEAKER_00: you know,
25:33
SPEAKER_00: what are proper mechanics,
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SPEAKER_00: what are proper that.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think,
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SPEAKER_00: For me,
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SPEAKER_00: because I've had to develop my game from scratch,
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SPEAKER_00: kind of on my own,
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SPEAKER_00: I have a whole bunch of different ways
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SPEAKER_00: of describing it, you know, and teaching it.
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And that's,
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that's honestly,
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I think,
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I think teaching has kind of helped me with coaching.
25:48
It's because like I used to teach special ed and you sometimes
25:52
had to describe how,
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SPEAKER_00: what four times four was in six different ways,
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SPEAKER_00: the six different kids to make it click in their brains.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the same thing with coaching golf.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: it's a,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: I encourage them to work with our assistants,
26:05
SPEAKER_00: to work with each other,
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because maybe we're saying the same thing and maybe the way
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that I'm saying it
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SPEAKER_00: clicks,
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SPEAKER_00: or maybe it's the way somebody else clicks,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: it's just,
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SPEAKER_00: It's not an ego thing for me.
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SPEAKER_00: It, you know, it's about making them better.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I mean, I, I know how I like to play.
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SPEAKER_00: I know how I've developed certain shots around the greens.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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you know i think for me the big thing is is knowing that i
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didn't have the
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background in golf you know i enjoyed the golf because it
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really is all on you like
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i love the mental side of the game the mental side of the game
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is awesome you know
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sticking to your process you know being okay with the fact that
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you're going to hit
26:43
a good shot and just it's going to bounce off the green and
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you're going to have
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SPEAKER_00: the worst chip in the world like you know you can't focus on that um
26:53
got to focus on okay i did everything i was supposed to and
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something bad happened
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i mean okay i'm gonna go figure it out we always talk about you
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know i should never
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be able to tell when they're on the course whether they're
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shooting 65 or shooting
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78 you know right like it's body language should be yeah i mean
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enjoy the day we
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play you know we go down to southern california and start our
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year and you know
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we're gonna be playing half a mile from the beach on a 70
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degree day like you can't
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SPEAKER_00: enjoy that like
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SPEAKER_00: while you're playing golf, like, I mean, why, what are we doing?
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SPEAKER_00: Like you should enjoy every second.
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And that goes back to,
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you know,
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that what ifs we were talking about earlier.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just, you know, enjoying the moment because it goes quick.
27:29
SPEAKER_00: It goes quick and then it's gone.
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SPEAKER_00: And then you miss it the second it's gone.
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Like the second you're walking across the stage of graduation
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and then you realize
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SPEAKER_00: you don't have practice next week,
27:37
SPEAKER_00: brutal.
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SPEAKER_00: And then you have to find something to fill the void,
27:43
SPEAKER_00: which for me,
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SPEAKER_00: my hobby ended up turning into my profession.
27:47
SPEAKER_02: That worked out well.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it does.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: It's funny.
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I don't play as much golf as I used to because I'm always
27:53
working on their games.
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But occasionally someone will chirp at me a little bit and I'll
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go grab the sticks
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SPEAKER_00: out of the car.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you got to.
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SPEAKER_00: Sometimes they need to know.
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SPEAKER_00: They need to be reminded.
28:05
SPEAKER_00: It's all fun.
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SPEAKER_00: It's all good fun and games.
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SPEAKER_02: Love that.
28:09
SPEAKER_02: All right.
28:09
SPEAKER_02: Well, let's get into the mechanics of golf recruiting.
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SPEAKER_02: I know you gave us an overview of your baseball process,
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SPEAKER_02: which,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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probably different than a lot of kids going through baseball at
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the moment,
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SPEAKER_02: which I feel so professionalized,
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SPEAKER_02: especially in that sport.
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SPEAKER_02: But from a golf perspective,
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SPEAKER_02: You talked about having to learn how to get the team into tournaments.
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What was that ramp-up period for your recruiting for the golf
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teams to get the
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SPEAKER_02: teams up to full strength?
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You know,
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I think the first step was,
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you know,
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what is my philosophy going to be?
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SPEAKER_00: you know, what, what, what am I looking for in the golfers?
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SPEAKER_00: You know, am I looking for just purely scores?
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SPEAKER_00: Am I looking for, you know, fundamental swings?
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SPEAKER_00: Am I looking for speed?
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SPEAKER_00: You know, what was it?
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SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I really sat down.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: the first few,
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SPEAKER_00: the first few months here at LC,
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: I ate every night in my office,
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SPEAKER_00: like it,
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SPEAKER_00: you just pull long hours,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: that's why like season three,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like,
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, cool.
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SPEAKER_00: I can work from home today or I can, you know, I have a little more time.
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SPEAKER_00: I might even go play golf myself.
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Like things are starting to relax a little bit just because
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things become easier.
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SPEAKER_00: And I kind of know how I'm recruiting.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: But for me, it changed between the men and the women.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: It was different for me.
29:28
So when I sat down because we had the number one women's team
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in the country,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: my last year at Redlands,
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SPEAKER_00: we had four All-Americans on the roster on the women's side.
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You know,
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and then you have to you have to kind of think of where are you
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playing?
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I was I'm sitting up here and, you know, I'm in SoCal.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like fifteen hundred feet up.
29:47
SPEAKER_00: It's ninety five degrees.
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SPEAKER_00: The ball goes pretty far without really trying.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: Then I got up here.
29:52
SPEAKER_00: Ball goes nowhere.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: And I think anybody on my team will probably agree.
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I got a couple of Colorado kids on my team that are not fans
29:59
when they come from home.
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SPEAKER_00: Then they're hitting three hundred and eighty yard drives.
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SPEAKER_00: They come here.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like two ninety.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
30:05
SPEAKER_00: but yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: so I developed the philosophy first,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
30:07
SPEAKER_00: on the men's side,
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SPEAKER_00: I went with,
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SPEAKER_00: uh,
30:09
SPEAKER_00: size and speed and pretty fundamentally sound golf swings.
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I looked less at scores and I kind of looked more at where are
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they going to be
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SPEAKER_00: within like 18 months?
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You know,
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um,
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obviously,
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you know,
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you want the players that can shoot in the sixties.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think I have quite a few that can,
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SPEAKER_00: um,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: my goal is to always have top to bottom,
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SPEAKER_00: a team that I could roll out at any tournament and we can win.
30:34
SPEAKER_00: We're there to win.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: right?
30:35
SPEAKER_00: One through 10.
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Um,
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you know,
30:38
on the women's side,
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you know,
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I really looked more,
30:41
Oh,
30:41
sorry.
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SPEAKER_00: Going back to the men's last thing on the men's, I forgot to say it.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I looked for, can we put size on them?
30:48
SPEAKER_00: Can we put some size?
30:49
SPEAKER_00: Can we add some speed?
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Because here in the spring fall,
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just,
30:54
you know,
30:55
maybe you get one bounce,
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right?
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, we, we, we have water here coming from LA.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm, you know, wasn't used to rain.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: You know, but the ball doesn't go anywhere.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's all about, you know, maybe you hit it 320 in the fall.
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SPEAKER_00: And then in the spring, it's like 290.
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SPEAKER_00: And,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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you have to be able to still hit it 290 because you can still
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come in with a wedge
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SPEAKER_00: rather than coming in with a longer club.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, the par five is still reachable at a certain distance.
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So I really looked at like,
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you know,
31:24
OK,
31:24
maybe the kid is swinging like 108 driver speed.
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well,
31:29
can we get into like 115 pretty quick,
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you know,
31:32
with rip stick training and weight room?
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SPEAKER_00: Like,
31:34
SPEAKER_00: you know,
31:34
because that's something that a lot of high school golfers
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don't do is they don't.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
31:38
SPEAKER_00: sports have become so specialized that like,
31:40
SPEAKER_00: you know,
31:41
SPEAKER_00: you don't play multiple sports,
31:43
SPEAKER_00: you know?
31:43
SPEAKER_00: So like a lot of my golfers have only played golf.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: Well,
31:46
SPEAKER_00: they've never,
31:46
SPEAKER_00: if they,
31:46
SPEAKER_00: if you've never played another sport,
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SPEAKER_00: golf isn't necessarily associated with the weight room.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: So it's like, you know, I, I'm a big,
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proponent of the weight room you know i think for a few of my
31:57
guys this summer was
31:58
big for them because they put on some speed they put on some
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size i'm very excited
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to see them back because you know hitting the ball farther is
32:05
never a bad thing it
32:07
definitely helps not hurt it definitely it helps when it helps
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when you can still
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go for par fives you know out of the rough or something like
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that so that's kind of
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SPEAKER_00: what i look for on the men's and on the women's side i look less for the
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SPEAKER_00: fundamental swing i looked more for um athletic
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SPEAKER_00: You know, speed is a big thing on the women's side.
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SPEAKER_00: If you can hit it 220 on the women's side, we play from 5,600 yards.
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If you do the math,
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it basically means you're coming in with a wedge every hole.
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SPEAKER_00: If you can get it out there, 230.
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SPEAKER_00: 220 to 230, you know, it's driver wedge on a lot of holes.
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SPEAKER_00: It's driver, you know, three-wood hybrid on par fives.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: I had the fortunate opportunity to go with Coach Dan,
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SPEAKER_00: too,
32:44
and the Redlands teams to the national championships at Howie
32:47
and the Hills in
32:47
SPEAKER_00: Florida.
32:48
SPEAKER_00: it's Howie in the hills.
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Like you gotta be able to hit it high and you gotta be able to
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get the spin and you
32:54
SPEAKER_00: gotta be able to hold the greens.
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And on the women's side,
32:56
that really comes from just being able to swing harder.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, so that's what I really looked for.
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SPEAKER_00: And,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: on both sides,
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SPEAKER_00: I looked for work ethic,
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SPEAKER_00: personality,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: are they going to fit in the locker room?
33:07
Because as much as I love my teammates,
33:09
you know,
33:10
I think a lot of them will agree.
33:11
We get along a lot better now than we did when we were actually
33:14
together in college.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: Um,
33:16
SPEAKER_00: You know, I think I really preach the team culture.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: We do a lot of team bonding here the first couple of weeks.
33:22
SPEAKER_00: You know, I, you know, and then like you should know your teammates.
33:25
SPEAKER_00: Where are they from?
33:26
SPEAKER_00: What do they like to eat?
33:27
SPEAKER_00: You know, like what you should hang out with them.
33:29
SPEAKER_00: You should want to be around them.
33:32
SPEAKER_00: Yes, sometimes they're like siblings and you need a break from them.
33:35
SPEAKER_00: And we've all been there.
33:37
SPEAKER_00: But at the end of the day,
33:38
SPEAKER_00: you know,
33:39
SPEAKER_00: my number one rule is,
33:40
SPEAKER_00: is like you care about your teammates.
33:42
SPEAKER_00: Like you care about them as people.
33:43
SPEAKER_00: You make sure they're OK.
33:44
SPEAKER_00: You take care of them.
33:46
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, we root for each other.
33:48
SPEAKER_00: And I think I have a really good group that does that.
33:51
I mean,
33:51
I had a kid last year that was,
33:53
you know,
33:53
in the lineup a lot and he missed the lineup.
33:55
SPEAKER_00: And the first thing he did was go celebrate the teammate that beat him.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, for me, that means I've recruited the right person.
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I've recruited the right people because they generally care
34:04
about each other.
34:06
SPEAKER_00: You know, we're just going to continue to grow that culture.
34:08
And that's,
34:08
that's kind of what I really started looking for with the,
34:11
with the recruiting.
34:12
SPEAKER_00: And then,
34:14
Because Lewis and Clark is an expensive school,
34:16
you have to find a lot of those kids.
34:20
I knew I needed to get at least five on the women's side to
34:23
count for a team and
34:24
SPEAKER_00: have a drop score.
34:26
I knew I needed to bring in a sizable class on the men's side
34:29
to set the foundation
34:30
SPEAKER_00: for the future.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: I was able to get somebody out of the portal.
34:35
SPEAKER_00: I was able to bring in five newcomers.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: You know, it was a really good year and we had an awesome year.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: And now it's,
34:42
SPEAKER_00: you know,
34:43
SPEAKER_00: we kind of worked through some of the kinks,
34:44
SPEAKER_00: some of the things that worked,
34:45
SPEAKER_00: some of the things that didn't.
34:47
SPEAKER_00: Thankfully, I don't have to send 200 emails every year.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: I know any football coach out there is going to be like 200.
34:53
I do that in a week,
34:55
you know,
34:55
because they have to get so many kids all the time.
35:00
SPEAKER_00: But, you know, for me, it was just go, go, go from the beginning.
35:04
SPEAKER_00: So developed that philosophy.
35:05
SPEAKER_00: Then I got on the recruiting websites,
35:08
SPEAKER_00: had to figure out where I was going to recruit from,
35:10
SPEAKER_00: like,
35:11
SPEAKER_00: what's the farthest place I can recruit from?
35:13
SPEAKER_00: How far can I get a kid to travel to come to Oregon?
35:17
SPEAKER_00: I was able to get a kid from India.
35:20
SPEAKER_00: I was able to get a kid from New York.
35:22
SPEAKER_00: You know,
35:22
SPEAKER_00: I was able to get kids from Colorado and Texas,
35:24
SPEAKER_00: this upcoming class,
35:25
SPEAKER_00: you know,
35:26
SPEAKER_00: so I've kind of realized that we have,
35:27
SPEAKER_00: we have some momentum building here.
35:29
SPEAKER_00: And,
35:29
SPEAKER_00: you know, kids get here.
35:31
SPEAKER_00: Our campus is top 10, you know, nationally in terms of how pretty it is.
35:35
SPEAKER_00: Our golf courses that we practice at are amazing.
35:37
SPEAKER_00: Two of them have hosted the Oregon Am the last two years.
35:41
SPEAKER_00: So,
35:41
SPEAKER_00: you know,
35:41
SPEAKER_00: if you start to,
35:42
SPEAKER_00: you start to piece those things together,
35:44
SPEAKER_00: you know,
35:44
SPEAKER_00: kids come out and then,
35:47
SPEAKER_00: you know,
35:47
you hope that you're not a horrible person to play for and
35:50
people want to come play
35:51
SPEAKER_00: for you.
35:51
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, at the
35:53
SPEAKER_00: You know,
35:53
SPEAKER_00: like I said earlier,
35:54
SPEAKER_00: before we started filming,
35:55
SPEAKER_00: like we run this a little bit more like a division one program,
35:58
like in terms of the stats and all that stuff and how we
36:01
practice and the weight
36:02
SPEAKER_00: room and kind of what I asked from them in terms of their time.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: You know, so you have to, you have to, you have to want that.
36:10
SPEAKER_00: I honestly, I kind of try to not scare people.
36:14
recruits on their visits but like be very transparent about
36:17
this is what my
36:18
expectations are in terms of your work ethic because this is
36:21
where we want to be
36:22
and you're not going to get there if you're you know doing the
36:25
bare minimum um so
36:27
you know it kind of it kind of helps you know when you're
36:29
bringing in kids that are
36:30
bought into that right off the bat for sure better to be honest
36:34
on the visit than
36:35
SPEAKER_02: have them be surprised when they enroll in the fall
36:38
SPEAKER_00: You hear the horror stories, right?
36:39
SPEAKER_00: Like you're just,
36:40
SPEAKER_00: you know,
36:41
SPEAKER_00: people being told one thing and then they get there and it's different.
36:44
It's like,
36:44
you know,
36:44
I think we didn't lose a single person this last year.
36:47
SPEAKER_00: They all every single person returned.
36:49
And I think that that is because we what I told them it was
36:52
going to be is what it was.
36:54
SPEAKER_00: And I think that that that really helps in terms of,
36:57
SPEAKER_00: you know,
36:57
SPEAKER_00: return,
36:57
SPEAKER_00: keeping people happy and making sure that you have a solid program.
37:02
How about for kids out there who maybe want to play at Lewis &
37:07
Clark or just want
37:08
SPEAKER_02: to play college golf?
37:10
SPEAKER_02: You talked about recruiting sites.
37:13
You talked about trying to evaluate on the men's side for
37:15
strength and speed,
37:16
SPEAKER_02: on the women's side also for distance.
37:21
SPEAKER_02: How are you looking at that?
37:23
Are kids,
37:23
can they post videos on Instagram and you kind of review them
37:26
there?
37:26
SPEAKER_02: Are there more golf specific sites the kids should be using?
37:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:30
SPEAKER_00: So there's,
37:31
SPEAKER_00: uh,
37:31
SPEAKER_00: there's NSR,
37:32
SPEAKER_00: there's,
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SPEAKER_00: uh,
37:33
SPEAKER_00: there's NCSA,
37:35
SPEAKER_00: um,
37:36
SPEAKER_00: there's field level,
37:37
SPEAKER_00: you know,
37:38
SPEAKER_00: there's a,
37:38
SPEAKER_00: there's a lot of different avenues,
37:40
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: those are the main three that I use.
37:42
SPEAKER_00: Um,
37:43
SPEAKER_00: there's word of mouth,
37:44
SPEAKER_00: you know,
37:44
SPEAKER_00: as well,
37:45
SPEAKER_00: like,
37:45
SPEAKER_00: you know,
37:46
SPEAKER_00: like,
37:46
SPEAKER_00: you know,
37:47
SPEAKER_00: they,
37:48
SPEAKER_00: I know a lot of the swing coaches here in Oregon,
37:50
SPEAKER_00: they'll sometimes reach out,
37:51
SPEAKER_00: can't find the kid on any recruiting site,
37:53
SPEAKER_00: but then the coach is like,
37:54
SPEAKER_00: Hey,
37:55
SPEAKER_00: great swing.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: Um,
37:57
SPEAKER_00: you know,
37:58
SPEAKER_00: my recommendation to kids is go get on,
38:00
SPEAKER_00: go get on some sort of platform,
38:02
SPEAKER_00: you know,
38:03
SPEAKER_00: somewhere where I can see a swing,
38:05
SPEAKER_00: you know,
38:06
SPEAKER_00: and that,
38:06
SPEAKER_00: and,
38:07
SPEAKER_00: and see tournament scores.
38:08
But the big thing that I always tell people is watch the
38:12
yardages that you're playing.
38:15
SPEAKER_00: If you're playing 6,000 yards in a men's tournament,
38:17
SPEAKER_00: it's hard for me to evaluate where you're at as a player.
38:21
because you could have a fundamentally sound swing,
38:24
but 6,000 yards is like almost driving.
38:28
SPEAKER_00: It's pretty short.
38:28
SPEAKER_00: Like we play 66 to 68,
38:30
SPEAKER_00: sometimes seven,
38:31
SPEAKER_00: like,
38:32
SPEAKER_00: and we play in all sorts of conditions where 68 sometimes plays like 74.
38:37
SPEAKER_00: Like if you're playing from 6,000,
38:39
SPEAKER_00: it's hard for me to look at that and go like,
38:42
SPEAKER_00: you know,
38:44
SPEAKER_00: they can play at the next level.
38:45
SPEAKER_00: You know, I need people to be above 6,600 yards on the men's side.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: On the women's side,
38:52
SPEAKER_00: 55 to 6,000, like that's fine.
38:54
SPEAKER_00: But like a lot of high schools play under five and it's just like,
38:57
SPEAKER_00: I don't,
38:59
SPEAKER_00: they're driving green.
39:00
SPEAKER_00: So it's like,
39:00
SPEAKER_00: of course they should be like five or six under,
39:02
SPEAKER_00: like,
39:03
SPEAKER_00: you know,
39:03
what are you going to do if you back them up 700 yards and they
39:06
have to all of a
39:07
SPEAKER_00: sudden come in with mid irons instead of chipping for their second.
39:10
SPEAKER_00: So it's like,
39:10
SPEAKER_00: you know,
39:10
what I would tell recruits is go get on a platform to where we
39:14
can see swings,
39:15
SPEAKER_00: go get a social media account,
39:18
SPEAKER_00: that's just for your sport, just for golf, right?
39:22
SPEAKER_00: Create a new one.
39:23
SPEAKER_00: So you have your personal, that's great.
39:24
SPEAKER_00: That's the stuff for all your friends and family and all that fun stuff.
39:29
SPEAKER_00: Go create a golf account for recruiting because if I can't find you,
39:34
but I see your name on a scoreboard and I can't find you on a
39:37
website or anything
39:37
SPEAKER_00: like that,
39:38
SPEAKER_00: I'll go check social media.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: Like if I see somebody that lights it up in a round,
39:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to be like,
39:44
SPEAKER_00: hmm,
39:44
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to go,
39:44
SPEAKER_00: let's go check out the swing.
39:47
SPEAKER_00: You know, post swings, post swing changes, post what you're working on.
39:50
SPEAKER_00: You know,
39:52
SPEAKER_00: you know,
39:53
I like the fact I have a kid coming in this year from Texas
39:55
that two years ago and
39:56
SPEAKER_00: we've joked about this.
39:58
You know,
39:58
I probably wouldn't have recruited him with the swing that he
40:00
had two years ago.
40:01
SPEAKER_00: But you can see the progression over his social media account.
40:06
So where I could see that he was clearly working with someone
40:10
and putting in the time.
40:11
SPEAKER_00: And for me, it's like never seen a kid play in person.
40:15
SPEAKER_00: you know,
40:15
SPEAKER_00: but I could tell right then and there,
40:16
he has the work ethic and wants to be great because you don't
40:20
just go from where he
40:21
SPEAKER_00: was to where he is now without putting in a serious amount of time.
40:25
SPEAKER_00: And coaches recognize that like we can,
40:28
SPEAKER_00: we can tell like,
40:31
SPEAKER_00: you know,
40:31
SPEAKER_00: if,
40:32
SPEAKER_00: you know,
40:32
SPEAKER_00: if you come out for a visit and,
40:34
SPEAKER_00: you know,
40:34
SPEAKER_00: and you're getting told like,
40:35
SPEAKER_00: you know,
40:36
this is something that might need to change or something like
40:38
that in your swing,
40:39
SPEAKER_00: you know,
40:40
SPEAKER_00: Are you going to go work on it or are you going to do the same thing?
40:43
SPEAKER_00: So I would suggest that.
40:44
SPEAKER_00: I would suggest,
40:46
SPEAKER_00: you know,
40:47
SPEAKER_00: go get on a platform,
40:48
SPEAKER_00: go get a social media page and then email coaches.
40:51
SPEAKER_00: I get so many emails and it's great.
40:54
And,
40:55
and to all the recruits out there,
40:56
I wish I could say yes to everybody.
40:57
SPEAKER_00: Like you really do.
40:58
SPEAKER_00: Like the worst feeling in the world as a coach is saying no to someone.
41:02
SPEAKER_00: We don't want to say no.
41:04
SPEAKER_00: It's just, I always want around 10 on my roster.
41:08
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of kids that play golf.
41:10
SPEAKER_00: You know, but they need the recruits need to look at the schools.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: You know, when you're emailing coaches, recruits,
41:18
Make sure that when you say I'm really interested in a
41:20
so-and-so program that the
41:22
SPEAKER_00: school has that program.
41:23
SPEAKER_02: An academic, like a major.
41:25
SPEAKER_00: Go do the research before you send it.
41:28
SPEAKER_00: I get it.
41:29
SPEAKER_00: The canned emails you're sending a lot.
41:30
You're not going to type out a whole personal thing to every
41:32
single coach.
41:33
SPEAKER_00: I get it.
41:34
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't hurt my feelings if I get a canned email.
41:36
What is a little concerning is when I get told like,
41:39
hey,
41:39
I'm really interested in this program.
41:40
SPEAKER_00: And I go, we don't have that program.
41:43
So like to me,
41:44
right off the bat,
41:44
that's signaling you didn't go research the school.
41:48
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, and that's fine.
41:50
SPEAKER_00: Mistakes happen, right?
41:51
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, it's I had two kids that have the same name.
41:55
SPEAKER_00: And I said, How's, you know, New York right now?
41:57
SPEAKER_00: And the kid goes, Oh, I'm from
41:58
california and i'm like oh mistakes happen right like it's
42:02
gonna happen everyone's
42:03
human it's not like i cross a kid off the list because they do
42:06
something like that
42:07
but just it's that little extra effort it's that little extra
42:11
effort of like go
42:12
look first what is what does that look like like what was an
42:15
email that caught your
42:16
attention out of the out of the flood of emails you get that
42:19
was like oh that was
42:19
SPEAKER_00: good oh like good is like uh like uh
42:25
SPEAKER_00: like a good email sent to me.
42:27
That made you maybe start looking at their swing or maybe like
42:31
started you recruiting them.
42:35
SPEAKER_00: I like it short and sweet.
42:37
Like I love when you tell me what your academic interests are
42:41
because Lewis and
42:42
SPEAKER_00: Clark's a high academic school.
42:43
SPEAKER_00: We have our bread and butter and it's the sciences.
42:45
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
42:46
SPEAKER_00: Like if you're,
42:46
SPEAKER_00: if the sciences or law or teaching is what you want to do,
42:50
SPEAKER_00: this is,
42:50
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
42:50
SPEAKER_00: we're the number one law school in Oregon,
42:52
SPEAKER_00: number one teaching school in Oregon.
42:54
SPEAKER_00: Like that's that's our bread and butter.
42:55
And we have OHSU that loves our kids that take our science
42:58
classes like it's what we're good at.
43:00
SPEAKER_00: Right.
43:01
SPEAKER_00: So I love it when they put academic interests.
43:04
SPEAKER_00: I love I love seeing swing progressions.
43:07
SPEAKER_00: Like I love seeing like this is where I was and this is where I am now.
43:10
SPEAKER_00: Again, showing me that you've clearly put in the time.
43:14
SPEAKER_00: So I like swing videos attached.
43:15
SPEAKER_00: Make sure the links work.
43:19
There's a lot of times I get links that I click on and they're
43:21
like,
43:21
video not available.
43:22
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, well, darn.
43:23
SPEAKER_00: And then I'll go check social media, right?
43:25
SPEAKER_00: Right.
43:26
SPEAKER_00: But like,
43:27
SPEAKER_00: you know,
43:27
SPEAKER_00: those are good emails,
43:28
SPEAKER_00: you know,
43:29
SPEAKER_00: sending me academic interests,
43:31
SPEAKER_00: telling me what they're shooting in tournaments.
43:32
SPEAKER_00: Again, yardages.
43:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, don't just tell me you shot 72 at your home course.
43:38
Tell me I shot 72 at this tournament from this yardage,
43:42
give me specifics.
43:43
So then I can actually go like,
43:44
because I don't know what the tournament is.
43:46
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's a big tournament.
43:47
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's the masters.
43:48
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's,
43:49
SPEAKER_00: you know,
43:49
SPEAKER_00: something like that,
43:50
SPEAKER_00: but if I see yardage and I see score,
43:53
SPEAKER_00: I can,
43:53
SPEAKER_00: that gives me a pretty good idea of can this person play?
43:58
Um,
43:58
you know,
43:59
so those are the good emails,
44:00
you know,
44:01
and,
44:01
and they're usually,
44:03
SPEAKER_00: they're not crazy long.
44:04
SPEAKER_00: Um,
44:05
but like if you send me an email that doesn't have a video link
44:08
and I'm having a
44:09
SPEAKER_00: busy day,
44:10
I may not get to it for a little bit because that means I have
44:13
to then go put in
44:14
SPEAKER_00: time to go like find your swing somewhere.
44:17
SPEAKER_00: So attach a swing,
44:18
SPEAKER_00: attach me scores and yardages,
44:20
SPEAKER_00: attach me your academic interests and contact information.
44:23
SPEAKER_00: You do those four things.
44:25
SPEAKER_00: I try to reach out to every, I try to get back to everybody.
44:28
Um,
44:28
but like,
44:29
I mean,
44:29
you know,
44:29
as a former student athlete,
44:30
you get into season,
44:31
it,
44:32
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it feels like you're in light speed all the time.
44:36
And there are some days that I can't get the emails until the
44:39
middle of the afternoon.
44:41
SPEAKER_00: you know,
44:41
SPEAKER_00: and it's just,
44:42
SPEAKER_00: it's,
44:42
SPEAKER_00: it's tough,
44:42
SPEAKER_00: you know,
44:43
SPEAKER_00: and I'm,
44:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure that goes for a lot of coaches.
44:44
SPEAKER_00: We get a lot of emails, you know, and it's good.
44:47
SPEAKER_00: I encourage recruits to do it.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: I love getting emails.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: I love communication.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: If I don't get back to you, send me another one.
44:54
SPEAKER_00: Maybe I just,
44:55
SPEAKER_00: you know,
44:55
it slipped my mind because we just had a tournament one weekend
44:58
and have another
44:58
tournament and I just haven't gotten to it and I started and I
45:01
didn't get back to
45:01
SPEAKER_00: you.
45:02
Send me a re if I don't get back to you in a few days,
45:04
send me another one.
45:05
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
45:07
SPEAKER_00: So, you know,
45:08
SPEAKER_00: Again, showing that little effort of willing to do that.
45:11
SPEAKER_02: For sure.
45:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
45:15
What about in social media follow-ups too,
45:17
like following the Lewis and Clark golf account,
45:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I love social media.
45:21
Like I,
45:22
it's funny,
45:22
I'm not a big,
45:23
not a big social media person personally.
45:25
SPEAKER_00: Um,
45:26
SPEAKER_00: but I,
45:27
SPEAKER_00: since running the program,
45:28
SPEAKER_00: like we've gotten to a certain,
45:30
SPEAKER_00: we've,
45:30
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
45:30
SPEAKER_00: we're over 1500 followers now for a golf page,
45:32
SPEAKER_00: which is pretty solid.
45:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, and for me, it's like, I like doing the videos.
45:37
So,
45:38
I mean,
45:39
we do a lot of stuff with day in the life and stuff like that.
45:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, we're doing a player.
45:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:46
SPEAKER_00: And,
45:46
SPEAKER_00: um,
45:47
SPEAKER_00: you know,
45:47
SPEAKER_00: my players know if they want to do a whole,
45:49
SPEAKER_00: like one of my guys,
45:50
SPEAKER_00: Mason loves doing whole of the days.
45:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm sure he would love me to shout out his tech talk right now.
45:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't even know what it is.
45:58
SPEAKER_00: Um,
45:59
SPEAKER_00: but that being said,
46:00
SPEAKER_00: like,
46:00
SPEAKER_00: you know,
46:01
SPEAKER_00: they,
46:01
they know that they can go make a video and send it to me and
46:04
I'll review it and
46:05
SPEAKER_00: make sure that,
46:06
SPEAKER_00: you know,
46:07
SPEAKER_00: check certain boxes and then I'll post it.
46:09
SPEAKER_00: So like, it's very much a player run, you know, social media.
46:13
And then I just kind of like the one that makes sure that there
46:16
are certain things
46:17
SPEAKER_00: that are not in videos,
46:18
SPEAKER_00: which I think we all know what those are.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, so, but you know, uh, it's a lot of fun.
46:23
SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, the social media follow up, go follow.
46:26
SPEAKER_00: Like I, I just had somebody follow this morning.
46:28
SPEAKER_00: I had no idea who they were.
46:29
SPEAKER_00: I liked the swing.
46:30
I went to their email that was on the Instagram page and I sent
46:32
them an email.
46:33
SPEAKER_00: You know, that all happened this morning, but like the more you,
46:37
SPEAKER_00: The more you give me, the easier it is.
46:38
SPEAKER_00: You got to make it easy for us.
46:40
I know that that's it's a little selfish because we're the ones
46:44
that are doing this as a career.
46:45
SPEAKER_00: But like we the you got to understand the amount of things that we do.
46:49
SPEAKER_00: And at the D3 level, you know, I run social media.
46:53
SPEAKER_00: I do the travel.
46:54
SPEAKER_00: I do the tournament schedule.
46:55
SPEAKER_00: I do the budget.
46:56
SPEAKER_00: I do.
46:57
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm wearing a lot of different hats.
47:00
SPEAKER_00: You know, and like we talked about earlier, I make the gear.
47:02
So it's like,
47:03
you know,
47:03
it's one of those things of like,
47:04
I wear a lot of hats.
47:05
SPEAKER_00: You got to help me out a little bit and just give me some info.
47:09
SPEAKER_02: Right.
47:09
SPEAKER_02: And it's not it's not personal.
47:11
SPEAKER_02: It's not like you said, it's not selfish.
47:13
SPEAKER_02: It's just the reality of college sports.
47:16
Like there are a lot of people that are shooting for the 10
47:19
slots to play golf at a
47:20
SPEAKER_02: specific school.
47:22
SPEAKER_02: And coaches are human.
47:23
SPEAKER_02: And they also have a lot of responsibilities.
47:25
SPEAKER_02: Some are, you know, parents, some have kids.
47:29
SPEAKER_02: And,
47:29
SPEAKER_02: you know,
47:30
SPEAKER_02: in addition to trying to get their team to do what they're asking,
47:34
SPEAKER_02: they got to have family responsibilities.
47:36
SPEAKER_02: So it's a ton to juggle.
47:38
SPEAKER_00: And I'm very fortunate.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm a full-time coach.
47:40
SPEAKER_00: We have coaches in our conference that are part-time.
47:43
SPEAKER_00: They have to go work whole other jobs, and then they have to go do this.
47:46
SPEAKER_00: And they have a family.
47:47
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how they do it.
47:48
SPEAKER_00: I know who they are in our conference.
47:50
I respect the heck out of them because I'm just like,
47:53
I'm tired at the end of the day.
47:55
and like they just got off work and have to go do pretty much
47:58
what i just did all
47:59
day and it's like that is that is brutal so it's yeah i mean
48:03
it's it's very helpful
48:05
just understand that you know and i can't speak for every
48:07
program but for me i'm
48:08
only looking to bring two in on both teams every year that's
48:11
kind of my ideal class
48:13
sizes two men two women every year from now now that i have it
48:16
going and we're
48:16
SPEAKER_00: built two and two
48:19
And so then it's like,
48:21
that's,
48:22
that's not,
48:23
I'm,
48:23
I'm done quick in recruiting.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: So I work about two years in advance.
48:27
It's like,
48:28
you know,
48:28
I'm already looking at 20,
48:29
20 sevens and,
48:30
you know,
48:31
and,
48:31
and all of that.
48:32
SPEAKER_00: So,
48:32
SPEAKER_00: you know,
48:33
SPEAKER_00: if you're a junior in high school and you haven't emailed a coach,
48:37
SPEAKER_00: you have another two months of summer,
48:39
SPEAKER_00: go start emailing coaches,
48:41
SPEAKER_00: but do your research first.
48:42
SPEAKER_00: Like I said, do your research, make sure it's a place you want to go.
48:46
SPEAKER_00: You know, make sure it's a place that you have your questions ready.
48:50
You know,
48:50
don't get on the recruiting calls and just not have any
48:53
questions.
48:53
You know,
48:54
make sure that you like you again,
48:56
you've shown that you've put in the effort.
48:58
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
48:59
SPEAKER_02: All right.
49:00
SPEAKER_02: I do.
49:00
SPEAKER_02: Cause I saw on your Instagram.
49:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
49:02
SPEAKER_02: You got golf recruiting tips for the class of 20, 26, 20, 27.
49:05
So any recruits who do want to play and are curious,
49:09
go check that out on their Instagram page.
49:11
SPEAKER_02: It's really well laid out exactly what they're looking for.
49:15
SPEAKER_02: But with the time we have left,
49:16
SPEAKER_02: I want to switch over to a topic that we get asked about all the time,
49:20
SPEAKER_02: which is D3 financial aid and,
49:23
SPEAKER_02: and admissions.
49:25
SPEAKER_02: So yeah,
49:26
SPEAKER_02: If you have a recruit,
49:28
one of those two recruits on either the men's or the women's
49:30
side coming in,
49:30
SPEAKER_02: how does Lewis and Clark,
49:34
SPEAKER_02: you know,
49:35
SPEAKER_02: allow you to,
49:36
SPEAKER_02: like,
49:36
SPEAKER_02: what influence do you have in the admissions or financial aid process?
49:39
SPEAKER_02: Do you guys do pre-reads, any type of...
49:43
stuff like that yeah it's tough we're the only division in
49:46
college that can't give
49:47
athletic money and that's that's really tough because we trust
49:50
me we want to we if
49:52
we had the option we would you know but like you know i don't
49:55
have any influence
49:56
you know our admissions department and financial aid department
49:59
works separately
50:00
from you know from us and that's ncaa rules you know at
50:03
division three like i'm not
50:04
SPEAKER_00: allowed to go in there and ask for more money for you
50:07
SPEAKER_00: there's an appeal process and everything like that.
50:09
SPEAKER_00: And, and, and that's the thing is admissions and financial aid.
50:12
SPEAKER_00: And this probably goes for every school.
50:13
SPEAKER_00: I know, I know it is for us.
50:16
SPEAKER_00: They're nice people.
50:17
Like they want,
50:18
if this is where you want to be,
50:19
they want to find a way to help you get there.
50:22
SPEAKER_00: You know,
50:22
SPEAKER_00: they're not trying to be a pain,
50:25
SPEAKER_00: you know,
50:25
SPEAKER_00: but they also have to look at it from,
50:27
SPEAKER_00: they need to hit their class numbers and all that stuff.
50:29
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, it's you know, for me you know, and this is how I do it.
50:35
SPEAKER_00: I don't put a timeline on commitments.
50:37
So I send my offers out,
50:39
you know,
50:40
these are the,
50:41
these are the people that we're recruiting.
50:43
SPEAKER_00: Um,
50:43
SPEAKER_00: and then what I kind of say is that they always,
50:45
SPEAKER_00: the number one question I get is,
50:46
SPEAKER_00: well,
50:46
SPEAKER_00: when do I have to decide?
50:48
SPEAKER_00: I don't,
50:49
SPEAKER_00: there is no time limit,
50:50
but I always tell them I'm only looking for two and it's the
50:53
first two that call me
50:54
SPEAKER_00: because the way I recruit is I recruit,
50:57
SPEAKER_00: you know,
50:58
SPEAKER_00: the,
50:59
SPEAKER_00: any combination of two,
51:00
SPEAKER_00: I'm happy.
51:02
SPEAKER_00: Right.
51:02
SPEAKER_00: Like, I think they're all great players.
51:05
SPEAKER_00: They are all going to help us.
51:06
And then I recruit and I'm happy if I,
51:08
you know,
51:08
I get one or two,
51:10
like any combination.
51:13
That being said,
51:13
you know,
51:14
know the financial there,
51:17
know the admissions deadlines.
51:19
SPEAKER_00: you know, again, it's becoming harder and harder to get a college spot.
51:22
It's not fair to ask families to,
51:24
you know,
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to make decisions before they see the financial aid.
51:28
SPEAKER_00: It's just, it's not fair.
51:30
SPEAKER_00: You know, it happens.
51:31
I've had,
51:32
I've had somebody this year commit before they saw the
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financial aid,
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which is great.
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SPEAKER_00: It's music to my ears because it,
51:36
SPEAKER_00: you know,
51:37
it gets me done a little bit earlier and almost gives me a
51:40
little bit of a break in
51:41
SPEAKER_00: recruiting.
51:42
SPEAKER_00: But yeah,
51:44
SPEAKER_00: you know,
51:45
SPEAKER_00: we do early reads,
51:46
SPEAKER_00: but just to give you an idea,
51:48
SPEAKER_00: I set my recruiting filters on those websites at like 3.9 GPA.
51:54
And for multiple reasons,
51:56
one Lewis and Clark's a very hard academic school.
51:59
Like the amount of time you spend outside of class studying,
52:02
we do study hall on planes.
52:03
SPEAKER_00: We do study hall on the road.
52:05
SPEAKER_00: Like they owe me six hours a week.
52:06
SPEAKER_00: Like it's,
52:07
SPEAKER_00: it's a full up,
52:08
SPEAKER_00: like it's,
52:09
SPEAKER_00: and you're not going to get cut slack because you're an athlete.
52:12
SPEAKER_00: Like it's not going to happen.
52:14
SPEAKER_00: Um,
52:15
SPEAKER_00: So,
52:16
SPEAKER_00: you know,
52:16
SPEAKER_00: for a few reasons,
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they need to be able to handle the academics and the athletics
52:20
at Lewis and Clark.
52:21
SPEAKER_00: So,
52:22
SPEAKER_00: you know,
52:22
SPEAKER_00: for me,
52:22
that GPA signals that they've been able to handle the time
52:25
management in high
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SPEAKER_00: school.
52:27
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, they'll be able to do that here.
52:30
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, that'll be, that's kind of what we're looking for there.
52:34
It also really helps in terms of merit aid to have a high GPA
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and a tough class schedule.
52:38
SPEAKER_00: Like you need to take APs.
52:40
SPEAKER_00: If you're thinking the D3 route,
52:41
SPEAKER_00: like you need to take honors,
52:43
SPEAKER_00: AP,
52:43
SPEAKER_00: whatever it's called in your area,
52:45
You need to take them because they look at strength of your
52:48
academic schedule.
52:49
Did you just coast and just take all the normal gen ed classes
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or did you challenge yourself?
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SPEAKER_00: They want to see someone that challenged themselves and got a high GPA.
52:58
SPEAKER_00: And that's tough, right?
52:59
Because you're doing that as well as trying to be good enough
53:02
to be on the team,
53:03
SPEAKER_00: which also requires a lot of time.
53:06
SPEAKER_00: Um, so, you know, it's, it's tough.
53:10
SPEAKER_00: We do early read.
53:11
SPEAKER_00: I'll send them in our Dean of admission, send me back feed feedback.
53:15
SPEAKER_00: You know,
53:15
SPEAKER_00: I kind of,
53:16
SPEAKER_00: at this point,
53:16
SPEAKER_00: no going into my third recruiting class,
53:19
SPEAKER_00: like,
53:19
SPEAKER_00: Hey,
53:19
SPEAKER_00: these parameters are going to be good,
53:22
SPEAKER_00: but number one thing,
53:23
SPEAKER_00: I can't tell you what you're going to pay.
53:26
SPEAKER_00: You know, nobody has that power at division three.
53:28
SPEAKER_00: I can't, I can't tell you like, you know, this is what it's going to be.
53:32
And I'm not going to lie to you and tell you,
53:33
and then you get a bill in the mail.
53:35
SPEAKER_00: It's like way more, way different.
53:37
SPEAKER_00: You know,
53:37
SPEAKER_00: I tell,
53:38
SPEAKER_00: I always say like,
53:40
SPEAKER_00: you know,
53:40
SPEAKER_00: I think because of your GPA will make it very manageable.
53:43
SPEAKER_00: And like I said, the people at Lewis and Clark, wonderful people.
53:46
SPEAKER_00: They are trying to, if this is where you want to be,
53:49
SPEAKER_00: they do a great job of working with you.
53:51
SPEAKER_00: It just means you may have to be a little more patient.
53:53
SPEAKER_00: You may not be able to do your commitment as early as you want,
53:57
because maybe you need a little bit more and you need to go
54:00
through the appeal
54:00
process through the school and explain to them why you need
54:03
that and all that
54:04
SPEAKER_00: stuff.
54:04
SPEAKER_00: So my recommendation is to start early,
54:09
SPEAKER_00: do early decision or early action,
54:11
SPEAKER_00: make sure you know the difference because you don't want to,
54:14
SPEAKER_00: you only get one early decision,
54:17
SPEAKER_00: you know,
54:18
SPEAKER_00: and,
54:18
SPEAKER_00: but,
54:19
SPEAKER_00: And for general timeline,
54:21
I try to get my 2026s on campus anywhere from January to the
54:24
start of the school
54:25
SPEAKER_00: year.
54:25
SPEAKER_00: I always tell them to do early action or early decision on November 1st.
54:31
SPEAKER_00: And I'm usually done by Christmas with my class.
54:34
SPEAKER_00: So it's like, if you do normal decision, that's great.
54:37
SPEAKER_00: I always tell them, you 100% can do normal decision.
54:40
SPEAKER_00: Just understand, I may not have a spot for you.
54:42
SPEAKER_00: By the time you find out in March, I'm usually done.
54:44
SPEAKER_00: I'm usually on next year's class by then.
54:48
So,
54:48
you know,
54:49
and sometimes I get an extra spot,
54:50
like we were talking about earlier.
54:51
SPEAKER_00: I do want to be a program that like,
54:54
SPEAKER_00: if you're that borderline division three,
54:56
SPEAKER_00: division one guy or lady,
54:57
SPEAKER_00: you know,
54:58
SPEAKER_00: and maybe you just didn't get the looks you needed out of high school,
55:00
SPEAKER_00: or maybe you started late,
55:02
SPEAKER_00: you know,
55:02
SPEAKER_00: come here,
55:03
SPEAKER_00: play,
55:03
SPEAKER_00: and then we'll put you in the portal and see what happens.
55:05
SPEAKER_00: So maybe I lose someone in the portal at some point.
55:07
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I have, I have three available for that year.
55:11
SPEAKER_00: You know, it just, it, it just kind of ebbs and flows like that.
55:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:16
SPEAKER_02: Makes sense.
55:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
55:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a helpful overview.
55:19
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, again, it's just...
55:22
SPEAKER_02: I think for any kids listening to this that want to play any sport,
55:25
SPEAKER_02: golf or,
55:27
SPEAKER_02: you know,
55:27
SPEAKER_02: or others,
55:28
SPEAKER_02: the keys from what you've outlined is get on it early,
55:32
SPEAKER_02: you know,
55:34
SPEAKER_02: talk to the coach,
55:35
SPEAKER_02: make it clear.
55:35
SPEAKER_02: You, you know, are interested in the school.
55:38
If it is one of your top choices so that they can get you that
55:40
pre read and make
55:42
SPEAKER_02: sure that you are getting in for the early application window.
55:44
SPEAKER_02: Cause that's so important for financial aid and for,
55:48
SPEAKER_02: you know,
55:48
SPEAKER_02: just getting the roster spot to begin with.
55:50
SPEAKER_02: So.
55:51
Yeah,
55:51
I mean,
55:52
if you do early decision,
55:53
you find out your financial aid in November.
55:56
SPEAKER_00: That's huge because then if it's in a comfortable place,
56:00
SPEAKER_00: then you're good and you can make a decision.
56:02
SPEAKER_00: If it's not in a comfortable place,
56:03
SPEAKER_00: you need a little bit more,
56:04
SPEAKER_00: you can start the appeal process a little bit sooner.
56:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:07
So it's,
56:08
it's just,
56:09
um,
56:09
but these are all things like I can point you in the right
56:12
direction.
56:12
SPEAKER_00: I cannot walk over to financial aid and be like,
56:14
SPEAKER_00: Hey,
56:15
SPEAKER_00: this is,
56:16
SPEAKER_00: you know,
56:16
SPEAKER_00: one of my recruits,
56:16
SPEAKER_00: can you give them more money?
56:17
SPEAKER_00: I don't, we're not, that's an NCAA violation.
56:20
SPEAKER_00: You're not allowed to do that.
56:21
SPEAKER_00: So, um,
56:24
But it is helpful to have the coach as an advocate to say,
56:26
hey,
56:28
here's what you could do.
56:29
SPEAKER_02: Like, go talk to these people, start the appeals process.
56:32
Like,
56:33
having someone who is knowledgeable about what options are is
56:37
invaluable.
56:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
56:39
Yeah,
56:39
and I will say it's year three,
56:41
so I've gotten a lot better at this.
56:43
SPEAKER_00: But year one, I was like, again, thankfully I have patient bosses.
56:47
SPEAKER_00: I was like, what do I do?
56:50
SPEAKER_00: Because I was a first year head coach.
56:52
SPEAKER_00: It's not like there's a roadmap of how to do this, right?
56:56
SPEAKER_00: You try things and you see what works and what doesn't.
57:00
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's my favorite thing to get those commitment calls.
57:05
SPEAKER_00: It's so much fun when somebody...
57:07
SPEAKER_00: you know, seize their next four years with you.
57:11
On the other side,
57:12
though,
57:13
just understand,
57:14
recruits,
57:14
like,
57:16
you know,
57:16
we don't want to say no.
57:17
SPEAKER_00: We would love to take everybody.
57:19
But if you're,
57:22
you know,
57:22
15th on the roster,
57:24
you know,
57:24
at most I'm getting 10 into a tournament.
57:26
SPEAKER_00: I'm never getting 15 into a tournament.
57:29
So it's just make sure you go check the roster sizes and make
57:32
sure that,
57:33
you know,
57:33
SPEAKER_00: You would be happy there.
57:35
SPEAKER_00: And that's the big thing with like, does the school have my program?
57:39
SPEAKER_00: Am I going to be happy at this place?
57:40
SPEAKER_00: Because if you don't play, then, you know, it's the school now.
57:45
Like,
57:45
you know,
57:46
you have the program,
57:46
but then,
57:47
you know,
57:47
you got to like the school,
57:48
I think.
57:49
where you see a lot of people that make decisions purely based
57:54
off of a program and
57:56
then maybe they get there and they don't play a lot is that
57:59
they didn't really
57:59
SPEAKER_00: actually take a deep dive into the school and the campus and the area.
58:05
And they're like,
58:05
oh,
58:05
well now it's like,
58:07
yeah,
58:07
maybe this isn't the place for me.
58:09
SPEAKER_00: Do your research,
58:09
SPEAKER_00: go find 25 schools that fit what you want to do,
58:14
SPEAKER_00: that have a program,
58:15
SPEAKER_00: have your list of questions ready and then just bug us.
58:19
SPEAKER_00: bug us continuously.
58:21
SPEAKER_00: Like,
58:21
SPEAKER_00: you know,
58:21
SPEAKER_00: just it's,
58:22
SPEAKER_00: it's not going to,
58:24
SPEAKER_00: it does not annoy me to get multiple emails from somebody.
58:26
SPEAKER_00: I,
58:27
SPEAKER_00: it shows me who cares,
58:29
who cares enough to put that time in when they could be hanging
58:31
out with friends,
58:32
SPEAKER_00: you know,
58:33
SPEAKER_00: on a Friday night,
58:34
they're sitting at home trying to fulfill their dream of
58:36
playing college sports
58:37
SPEAKER_00: because there's nothing like it.
58:38
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
58:38
SPEAKER_00: you know,
58:39
SPEAKER_00: you played,
58:40
SPEAKER_00: I played like when you put your uniform on,
58:41
SPEAKER_00: it just feels different.
58:43
SPEAKER_00: And there's not a lot of people that get to be an NCAA athlete.
58:47
SPEAKER_02: It's the truth.
58:49
SPEAKER_02: So Truth, good place to stop there.
58:50
We're going to ask you the last question we ask every former
58:54
athlete that comes on the podcast.
58:56
If you could go back and talk to your 18-year-old self,
58:59
what advice would you give yourself?
59:03
SPEAKER_00: I would say get in the training room earlier.
59:05
when i was when i was a freshman and i hadn't caught as many
59:07
games i was like you
59:09
know i was good to go the next day um you know by the time i
59:13
was a junior or senior
59:14
you know i was living in a nice bath um you know so i i would
59:18
probably say go get
59:19
in the training room um i would also say you know it is it
59:24
winning is also a is a
59:25
huge part of it but i would have probably told myself to enjoy
59:28
it a little bit more
59:31
Even when you're tired,
59:31
go do stuff with your teammates outside of sports.
59:34
I would have said,
59:36
it's not the end of the day if you go 0 for 3,
59:39
because I played baseball.
59:41
SPEAKER_00: I would have probably said to sit back and enjoy it a little bit more.
59:45
SPEAKER_00: I have some great memories, and I absolutely did.
59:48
But for me,
59:50
I think I took it super serious,
59:52
you know,
59:52
all the time when the game was on.
59:54
SPEAKER_00: And I like,
59:55
I think it would have been a lot of fun to go back and tell my
59:59
18 year old self,
1:00:01
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:00:01
SPEAKER_00: when you're hanging out on the bench,
1:00:03
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:00:04
SPEAKER_00: in between innings,
1:00:05
SPEAKER_00: like hang out with your guys,
1:00:06
SPEAKER_00: like hang out with your teammates,
1:00:08
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:00:08
SPEAKER_00: and
1:00:09
SPEAKER_00: Um,
1:00:09
SPEAKER_00: those are probably two things,
1:00:11
SPEAKER_00: but I think that,
1:00:12
SPEAKER_00: uh,
1:00:13
SPEAKER_00: my knees,
1:00:13
my knees probably would have liked me a little bit more now
1:00:16
that I'm in my
1:00:16
SPEAKER_00: thirties.
1:00:17
If I had taken care of my body,
1:00:19
those first two seasons a little bit better.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_02: Makes sense.
1:00:24
SPEAKER_02: Well, good advice throughout.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_02: As we said at the top of the show,
1:00:28
SPEAKER_02: it's fun to get a full D3 perspective here from you,
1:00:32
SPEAKER_02: Coach Breyer,
1:00:34
SPEAKER_02: as a player,
1:00:35
SPEAKER_02: as an assistant coach,
1:00:37
SPEAKER_02: as a head coach.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_02: So really appreciate you coming on and sharing your insights here.
1:00:43
SPEAKER_00: Love it.
1:00:43
Always trying to help,
1:00:44
you know,
1:00:46
and it's it's part of the fun of the job that I have.
1:00:50
And I think part of the role that we have as coaches is to help
1:00:52
grow the game and
1:00:53
SPEAKER_00: help help young people navigate this path.
1:00:56
Because like I said,
1:00:57
I didn't have a lot of my family didn't have a lot of
1:00:59
experience in this.
1:00:59
SPEAKER_00: So anytime that I can help with that, I'm I'm in.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_02: All right.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_02: Well,
1:01:05
SPEAKER_02: if you want to check them out,
1:01:06
SPEAKER_02: lcpiosgolf on Instagram,
1:01:09
SPEAKER_02: you can fill out their questionnaire if you're an interested player.
1:01:13
Make sure to include all the information we talked about in
1:01:16
this conversation so
1:01:18
SPEAKER_02: that your email gets seen.
1:01:21
SPEAKER_02: And, yeah, keep working on your game.
1:01:23
We'll be following the Lewis and Clark men's and women's golf
1:01:28
team this season to
1:01:29
SPEAKER_02: see how you all do.
1:01:31
SPEAKER_02: Hoping for a big one.
1:01:33
SPEAKER_02: All right.
1:01:33
SPEAKER_02: This has been another episode of student athlete sessions.
1:01:36
SPEAKER_02: You can always find earlier episodes,
1:01:38
SPEAKER_02: wherever you get your podcasts and stay tuned for the next one.
1:01:41
SPEAKER_02: Thanks again, coach Breyer.
1:01:43
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.