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Speaker 4: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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Speaker 4: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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Speaker 4: scripted as well. Rain Drops, Claudia Blue and I and
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Speaker 4: Jasmine Helly Bram will be joining us in a bit.
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Speaker 4: We are here to talk about the latest episode of
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Speaker 4: The Real Housewive of Atlanta. This episode had a lot
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Speaker 4: of moments as I was watching it where I could
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Speaker 4: not wait to talk to you ladies about this.
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Speaker 5: So let's get right into it. The episode. Are you
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Speaker 5: freshening up your gloss? Blue?
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Speaker 4: Because there's a whole bunch of shit talking that I
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Speaker 4: doesn't about to happen.
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Speaker 5: So the episode opens up where we learned.
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Speaker 4: You know, Kim Michelle had her operation, she had glam beer.
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Speaker 4: Her husband's there and she is happy that, you know,
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Speaker 4: everything is looking better for her.
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Speaker 5: She still has a lot of ways to.
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Speaker 4: Go due to the leakage of her button plants that
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Speaker 4: she has been extremely open about that occurred. And then
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Speaker 4: we see in the next scene that the ladies are
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Speaker 4: at a nail salon. Okay, so this nail salon included Porsche, Phaedra,
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Speaker 4: and Cynthia. Kim Michelle walks in with the help of
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Speaker 4: an attendee who works at the nel salon, and she
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Speaker 4: starts to tell her exactly.
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Speaker 5: What's going on. And on top of that, we get
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Speaker 5: to see the ladies here for the first time. What
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Speaker 5: really did happen?
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Speaker 4: Oh, Jasmine here, Let's bring on Jasmine, Hi.
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Speaker 3: Afterew Monday. Hey Claudia, hire Blue, nice to meet you.
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Speaker 6: Welcome, Welcome, Oh, Carlos.
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Speaker 2: Isn't a group situation with the ladies Charlie's angels?
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Speaker 7: I love it?
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Speaker 4: Good morning, Carlos, Good morning Angels. Yes, I am surrounded
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Speaker 4: by beautiful women. It reminds me of my entire years
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Speaker 4: in school. So, Jasmine, you came in at the right time.
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Speaker 4: Because we're talking about the nelsonon scene. We're just getting
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Speaker 4: started on the Real Housewives of Atlanta and how kay
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Speaker 4: Michelle had the operation.
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Speaker 5: She's on the men's she decided, look, I'm here to work. Okay.
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Speaker 4: She got off the surgery table and got in on
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Speaker 4: the chair to get her Petty and Manny. But before
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Speaker 4: she could even enjoy that, she's telling the ladies about
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Speaker 4: what happened. And then Porsche blurted out, oh, you got
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Speaker 4: a miscarriage, and we see Kay Michelle in that moment
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Speaker 4: laugh at office that no girl did it. But then
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Speaker 4: in the confessional we learned that she's not too happy
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Speaker 4: about what Porsche blurted out, and that carried the entire episode.
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Speaker 4: I want to start with you, Claudia. Listen, people are divided.
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Speaker 4: Uh huh, people are divided with Kim Michelle feels strongly
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Speaker 4: and we'll get to the other scenes in a second,
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Speaker 4: but in her confessionals, in this scene, she feels strongly
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Speaker 4: about what Porsche blurted out, so much so she referred
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Speaker 4: to her because I like to make sure I get
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Speaker 4: you know, people's statements right, Cay Michelle says, I don't
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Speaker 4: know if she is serious.
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Speaker 5: Or dumb. Yeah, well, well, Audia your thoughts.
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Speaker 6: She is dumb. She is dumb.
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Speaker 2: You will never be able to convince me that you
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Speaker 2: didn't know what the hell I was talking about when
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Speaker 2: Porscha and if y'all caught this she and I was
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Speaker 2: ready to say before I watched the whole episode, Okay,
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Speaker 2: you know, maybe she wasn't trying to be shady when
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Speaker 2: they met and they had they met up, right, But no,
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Speaker 2: because Porsche caught herself and she says, the surgery you
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Speaker 2: had for eight year, so she knew about this butt
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Speaker 2: thing that ky Michelle was dealing with. They talked on
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Speaker 2: the phone, and I don't give a god damn if
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Speaker 2: I we both had miscarriagters. You never say nothing like
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Speaker 2: that in front of a group and a public setting
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Speaker 2: at a nail shop with cameraman, producers, and you're on
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Speaker 2: a show that.
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Speaker 6: Is not the place for it.
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Speaker 2: You let Cay Michelle say if it was a miscarriage,
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Speaker 2: Oh you get a miscarriage to say it's so insensitive
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Speaker 2: like that. I feel like port would be playing in
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Speaker 2: people's faces. She does, and I'm sure she'll go on
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Speaker 2: some little stupid show and say that I need her
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Speaker 2: for Cloud. Someone just told me that the comments I
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Speaker 2: don't need you for Cloud, Porsche. I've not followed your
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Speaker 2: page since you were on Dish Nation. Okay, so I
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Speaker 2: don't need you for Cloud, but I can I'm not
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Speaker 2: blinded by your acuteness. I can call it for what
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Speaker 2: it is. It's never okay for you to be so
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Speaker 2: casual about a miscarriage. And even if you thought that
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Speaker 2: was it, you would maybe pulled to the side and be.
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Speaker 6: Like, was that did you have a miscarriage?
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Speaker 2: You don't say that in front of everybody because you
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Speaker 2: just don't do that. That is a very sensitive thing
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Speaker 2: to talk about. And I think she plays in her
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Speaker 2: face and play stupid.
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Speaker 6: But oh no, no, who me, No, I didn't mean
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Speaker 6: that or.
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Speaker 2: I've had them too. Do not believe that that port
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Speaker 2: She's dumb. But she's also very conniving. She's also very
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Speaker 2: me she knows what she's doing. She's a reality TV veteran,
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Speaker 2: and people she does not get away.
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Speaker 6: You do not get to pass that.
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Speaker 2: You've been doing it for too many years and you
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Speaker 2: know better. I think Porscha sees what we all see.
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Speaker 2: All the attention that ky Michelle was gonna get. She's
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Speaker 2: she's very much a very strong personality, and I think Porscha,
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 6: I think that was some nice, nasty shit she did.
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Speaker 2: Right then. I didn't think that was cool at all.
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Speaker 2: I didn't think it was cool at all. I don't
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Speaker 2: care if you thought it was a mischaracter or not.
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Speaker 2: You don't say that out loud in a nail salon,
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Speaker 2: in a public place where the freaking nails text can
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Speaker 2: hear you say that. No, no, You'll never be able
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Speaker 2: to convince me otherwise. I'm sorry, and yes I'm biased,
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Speaker 2: and I'm not apolsizing for it anymore.
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Speaker 5: The fuck it, Jasmine Heiley Brown.
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Speaker 8: I agree with Claudia's reasoning, right, Like, I the way
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Speaker 8: Portia said her tone of voice was like a miscarriage,
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Speaker 8: like she was joking. But I was like, that's actually
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Speaker 8: not something you joke about, right, So like as someone
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Speaker 8: who has like maybe a darker sense of humor, it's
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Speaker 8: still not something you joke about, Like it's something so serious,
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Speaker 8: like it should never be you should never be taken lightly. Right,
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Speaker 8: And then she did say it in front of a
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Speaker 8: bunch of people, and then she tried when they want
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Speaker 8: to go meet up, She's like it was a safe space,
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Speaker 8: not a safe space for Kaye. Michelle Show is just
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Speaker 8: getting to know these ladies. So like, even if that
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Speaker 8: was the case, you don't know if that's something that
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Speaker 8: she was ready to share with everyone else. And so, Carlos,
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Speaker 8: when you said, like people are divided, I'm very curious about,
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Speaker 8: like what what the other side is saying, Like are
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Speaker 8: they saying she didn't mean it maliciously or like.
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Speaker 3: I might I'm on the other side, Okay, I would
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Speaker 3: love to know.
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Speaker 9: Oh, hey, blo, I think the debate isn't about what
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Speaker 9: she said taky. I think anybody, even a Porsche fan
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Speaker 9: with any sense, would agree it's tacky, right. I just
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Speaker 9: disagree that it's malicious. I think there are two things
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Speaker 9: that play here. Porsche is someone who we've seen since
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Speaker 9: her very first season struggles with intimacy, emotional intimacy. Whenever
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Speaker 9: things are serious, she either makes a joke or she
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Speaker 9: has dark humor, or she's flippant, right with the Shemia thing.
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Speaker 9: Whenever Shemya tries to have an emotionally intimate conversation with
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Speaker 9: her about the friendship, you see how dismissive Porscha is. Oh,
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Speaker 9: nothing's a big deal, nothing's a big deal. But then
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Speaker 9: she talks crazy and the confessional Samiah walks on egg
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Speaker 9: shells as if she knows that Porscha doesn't like to
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Speaker 9: do things that are deep. So I think, on one hand,
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Speaker 9: we have Porsche who things that are supposed to be
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Speaker 9: seen as sacred. She's not the best at honoring those things,
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Speaker 9: and she's entitled right now because she's the Gazelle Bryant
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Speaker 9: of the franchise currently right I think the combination of
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Speaker 9: her flippancy and her being entitled and feeling like she
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Speaker 9: can do what she wants, and her sucking at emotional
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Speaker 9: intimacy made her do something tacky and lazy. But I
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Speaker 9: do not agree that it was directed at k Michelle.
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Speaker 9: I think it was just her being misbehaved and having
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Speaker 9: no manners, and kay Michelle just happened to be who
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Speaker 9: was directed at.
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Speaker 7: And I actually do believe.
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Speaker 9: When she realized that her sloppiness had offended Ky Michelle.
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Speaker 9: What I saw in that dinner was you could tell
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Speaker 9: that the Porschia, who's usually defensive, was actually trying to
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Speaker 9: have some emotional intelligence because she actually respects Cave Michelle.
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Speaker 7: I saw somebody who's.
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Speaker 9: Messy doing their best to be less messy with someone
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Speaker 9: that they actually fuck with.
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Speaker 6: And this is why I disagree. This is why I disagree. Okay, Blue,
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Speaker 6: save me and you on the phone?
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Speaker 5: Right?
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Speaker 6: We cool?
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Speaker 2: We actually like each other, right, we rock with each other, right,
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Speaker 2: And we've had conversations. And I've told you on the
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Speaker 2: phone right about my surgery that has gone left. Right,
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Speaker 2: We've had conversations about it. You've given me advice. I've
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Speaker 2: had an issue with this implant. It's leaking, something's wrong,
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Speaker 2: And I've told you I've been dealing with this for
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Speaker 2: eight years and it's a thing. How are you now
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Speaker 2: playing that dum where you just forgot all those conversations
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Speaker 2: about this and you think it's a miscarriage. And if
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Speaker 2: we're if we're cool enough for me to talk to
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Speaker 2: you on the phone about this surgery, don't you think
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Speaker 2: if I had a miscarriage, I probably would have said
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Speaker 2: that on the phone to you then as well, Like
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Speaker 2: I like, like, I don't know, I just felt like that.
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Speaker 2: I don't even throw that out, Like, what are you doing?
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Speaker 9: That's assuming a clarity and present tense personality that Porscha
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Speaker 9: doesn't have. I have an assistant who I love. Right,
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Speaker 9: she is a little bit Porscha like, So maybe this
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Speaker 9: is why I see it differently. I could literally say
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Speaker 9: to her, Hey, I'm gonna be on Carlson's show at
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Speaker 9: four pm Pacific, do not comment four pm Pacific. She
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Speaker 9: will still text me fifteen minutes in the show be like, oh,
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Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I know I heard, but I forgot right.
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Speaker 9: Porsche is a very This is not me showing her bell.
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Speaker 9: I think that in Ky Michelle's the Surgery, Bruce, respectfully,
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Speaker 9: it's such an old story. I was watching the episode
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Speaker 9: when I was doing my makeup today. My makeup artist
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Speaker 9: said to me, she said, oh shit, she's still going
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Speaker 9: through that.
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Speaker 7: I thought that was over.
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Speaker 9: Just because something is common knowledge doesn't mean it still
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Speaker 9: feels current. And so what I'm saying is I believe
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Speaker 9: Kamashell had a conversation with her. I just don't think
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Speaker 9: that Porscha's always listening. I think Porscha is very self absorbed. Porsia,
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Speaker 9: She's very self absorbed. We've seen episodes of people saying
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Speaker 9: things to her, and the very next scene, who said
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Speaker 9: that it's literally one of her memes. I think, literally,
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Speaker 9: Porscha I don't want see her in Bell. She might
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Speaker 9: be a little dumber than y'all giving her credit for.
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Speaker 9: I think she was absent minded and messy and then
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Speaker 9: tried to clean it up and now we all think
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Speaker 9: she's a brilliant master bider. And respectfully, Porsche, it looks
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Speaker 9: like I'm looking out for you. I just don't think
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Speaker 9: you're briding have to pull this off.
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Speaker 2: I'm that's even more reason for ky Michelle to have
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Speaker 2: a red Why I go up Because if I sat there,
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Speaker 2: heard the intimacy of the the seriousness of a medical
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Speaker 2: thing I'm going through, and you didn't even listen to me.
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Speaker 2: But then the scene you throw a miscarriage, I think
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Speaker 2: that's a major red flag. And I do believe careless
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Speaker 2: though I do believe that came to Shell feels similar
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Speaker 2: to what I'm I'm looking at it because the way
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Speaker 2: came Michelle faced, but she was like, wait what I
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Speaker 2: told you? And Porsche did Actually she did even remember
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Speaker 2: her telling her about her surgery, which I don't even
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Speaker 2: know if that's.
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Speaker 6: True or not, because Porsche is a liar.
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Speaker 3: It was a bad joke. Pora made like she tried
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Speaker 3: to make a joke.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, she tried to make a bad joke and it
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Speaker 8: just isn't something to joke about. And it turned came
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Speaker 8: Michelle off rightfully, so turned off us as viewers, rightfully.
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Speaker 3: So that's just nothing you joke about.
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Speaker 8: But yeah, Porsia, you know we Porsia literally I sit
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Speaker 8: home on the Traders because she just talks without like
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Speaker 8: thinking a lot of times like yeah.
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Speaker 4: So with that being said, because I do want to
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Speaker 4: ask this, Okay, Jasmine, you just said Porscha got kicked
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Speaker 4: off the Traders because she says things that she doesn't
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Speaker 4: think about.
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Speaker 5: Louis saying, I just think.
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Speaker 4: She's aloof and she's she's she didn't mean any ill
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Speaker 4: intention to it. Claudia, in the beginning, you did say, okay,
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Speaker 4: I have I watched the full episode because I first
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Speaker 4: I thought, okay, maybe not. So my question maybe she
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Speaker 4: didn't mean any ill intent. So my question is and
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Speaker 4: and and again I'm not a woman, so I don't
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Speaker 4: I don't feel the need to insert my opinion on
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Speaker 4: the sensitivity of you know what what what what women
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Speaker 4: go through, the miscarriage and all of that. Obviously, I know,
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Speaker 4: I know it's a horrible experience. I was just told
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Speaker 4: the other day because I was, I was on a
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Speaker 4: me and a friend, was out with two other friends
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Speaker 4: and then you know me, I'm a talker double days.
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Speaker 5: Is that.
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Speaker 6: Carlos right now?
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Speaker 5: He is in heat Jasmine? And then they were they
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Speaker 5: were like, Carlos, you're so inappropriate.
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Speaker 4: I'm what you're talking about because I asked questions but
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Speaker 4: that but that that's my makeup.
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Speaker 5: So my question is, on one hand, was.
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Speaker 4: It a slip up or do you do y'all think
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Speaker 4: there was malice behind it?
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Speaker 5: Cause I think that. I think what's.
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Speaker 4: Divided by the audience that I'm answering your question with
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Speaker 4: the jasmine. They're divided because people are saying, Okay, was
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Speaker 4: it a fucked up thing to say?
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Speaker 5: I can give you that, But was it malice behind it?
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Speaker 4: And that's the question I have to you three ladies,
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Speaker 4: starting with you, Claudia.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't never know what's going on in
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Speaker 2: her brain because I don't talk to her or something.
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Speaker 6: You know, I don't. I don't know her like that anymore.
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Speaker 2: So I guess we'll see how the season unfolds. If
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Speaker 2: it was malice, like you know, if she changes it
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Speaker 2: up and doesn't you But again, then we could be like,
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Speaker 2: all right, are bad she will oh my bad.
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Speaker 6: It wasn't malice.
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Speaker 2: It was a true mispeak, because we can all misspeak, right,
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Speaker 2: that is true. What made me change my mind was
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Speaker 2: during the Confessionals when we find out that Porsche had
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Speaker 2: been on the phone with Cay Michelle and ca Michelle
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Speaker 2: and she even said, you've been dealing with about your
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Speaker 2: butting that you've been dealing with four eight years.
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Speaker 6: And she stopped herself.
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Speaker 2: She didn't go back and watch, she stopped herself when
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Speaker 2: she was saying this, So uh okay, you just have
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Speaker 2: to be so dumb to think that that could be
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Speaker 2: to just throw that out there. And maybe I am
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Speaker 2: sensitive to this. It has nothing to do with an
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Speaker 2: obsession or a thing with Porsche. It has to do
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Speaker 2: with being a woman. In the topic of miscarriages, anyone
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Speaker 2: that's ever had one, If anyone ever throws that out
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Speaker 2: there before you're ready to put that out there, or
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Speaker 2: to even say it in a joking way, abortion.
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Speaker 6: Or even a miscarriage.
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Speaker 2: Listen, I'll say a lot of things about people, but
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Speaker 2: I'm not touching that like that is something that like
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Speaker 2: it's very personal to the woman, and you don't put
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Speaker 2: you don't get to say that in front of an
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Speaker 2: misspeak or not. That is something you just gotta like
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Speaker 2: and you deserve smoke if you do. What is wrong
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Speaker 2: with holding someone accountable for saying that. Whether it was ignorance, misspeaking,
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Speaker 2: or being oh malice, it's still bad, you guys, it's
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Speaker 2: still bad and it's not hate. I would I would
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Speaker 2: if anyone said that, I'd be like, yo, chill, just chill.
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Speaker 2: I just think that's just so such a personal thing,
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Speaker 2: and that's I don't know. It's one thing when you've
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Speaker 2: been on the phone with me, I've been talking about
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Speaker 2: what I'm going through. If I say, oh, I had
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Speaker 2: surgery in my eye and then in front of everybody go,
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Speaker 2: oh you your new titties are just got bitch?
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Speaker 6: Were you not listening to all the conversations I had?
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Speaker 2: That's what made it for me, like, wait, what Either
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Speaker 2: you're a bad friend and you just never listen to
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Speaker 2: me on the phone, or you threw my business out there,
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Speaker 2: or I don't know, it's just there's no good solution
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Speaker 2: to it. And I think all too often we blushed
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Speaker 2: brush off as oh she's dumb, it's cute, she misspoked,
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Speaker 2: Oh y'all being too hard. Listen, she's a veteran, she's
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Speaker 2: a TV veteran at this point.
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Speaker 5: So yeah, but I am.
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Speaker 2: Glad that Cay Michelle seems that she's able to move
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Speaker 2: on from it. That's more important than what I think
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Speaker 2: about it, that they are able to move on. So
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Speaker 2: she's probably like, all right, I hear you, but I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna keep one eye on you if it happens again.
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Speaker 2: But if it doesn't, then it's all good.
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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
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Speaker 8: And I think to Blue's point that she made earlier,
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Speaker 8: the reason I don't think it's it was malicious or
17:13
Speaker 8: she had malicious intent because she did seem to like
17:16
Speaker 8: genuinely feel bad when they were doing their like one
17:19
Speaker 8: on one lunch. So when she said it, it landed horribly.
17:23
Speaker 8: And I didn't know at that point, like was she
17:25
Speaker 8: trying to be shady whatever, It's just a bad joke,
17:27
Speaker 8: move on. But when they were on that one on one,
17:29
Speaker 8: Porsche was not her usual, like Blue said, defensive self
17:33
Speaker 8: when came Michelle confronted her. And so that for me,
17:35
Speaker 8: that's the reason why I could probably say she made
17:38
Speaker 8: a bad joke, like it didn't land It was a
17:40
Speaker 8: really sensitive topic, but she probably did feel really bad
17:43
Speaker 8: about that. Porsia herself said she had experienced miscarriages, right,
17:46
Speaker 8: so like she knew that it was not something to
17:48
Speaker 8: joke about.
17:49
Speaker 3: So I do.
17:49
Speaker 8: I don't think she had malicious intents, but you know
17:53
Speaker 8: your intentions doesn't mean like that's the way that it's
17:56
Speaker 8: gonna land, right, So, like you might not have intended
17:58
Speaker 8: for it to be malicious, but the k Michelle received it,
18:02
Speaker 8: it probably felt like that for her. But yeah, I
18:04
Speaker 8: think I think Portia did a decent job at like
18:07
Speaker 8: attempting her her version of taking holding herself accountable and
18:11
Speaker 8: like taking accountability and willing being willing to move forward
18:14
Speaker 8: after being confronted for something that she did.
18:16
Speaker 9: Yeah, intention doesn't negate impact, but misspeaking of my intentions
18:20
Speaker 9: does cost further harm. So it does matter if you
18:23
Speaker 9: say I did something on purpose that I agree was
18:25
Speaker 9: fucked up, but I didn't do on purpose, because me
18:27
Speaker 9: fucking up is the mistake that I'm willing to take
18:29
Speaker 9: accountability for. You insisting I did it on purpose when
18:31
Speaker 9: I know I didn't is now attacking my character and
18:33
Speaker 9: creating a home problem. So it actually does make a
18:36
Speaker 9: difference when you misspeak on someone's intentions because.
18:39
Speaker 7: I was perfecttion. If ilso misspeak to Carlos.
18:41
Speaker 9: Right now and I was mortified, I would be sincerely sorry,
18:44
Speaker 9: but I would be deeply offended if he then tried
18:46
Speaker 9: to tell me I meant something I know I didn't mean,
18:49
Speaker 9: because now you're telling me something that is not your
18:51
Speaker 9: place to tell me, and you have to either believe
18:53
Speaker 9: me or not.
18:54
Speaker 7: But it is offensive to be.
18:55
Speaker 9: Sorry and then have your character attacked. So it does
18:58
Speaker 9: actually matter if she intended or not. And I'm going
19:01
Speaker 9: to say something that I'm always remiss to say on camera,
19:04
Speaker 9: and I was listening to Claudia talk and I was like, oh,
19:06
Speaker 9: I have to say it now, Porsia and I suspected
19:09
Speaker 9: this for a very long time. I am someone who
19:11
Speaker 9: got diagnosed as nor divergent at forty one. Porsia does
19:16
Speaker 9: a lot of things that are I don't agree with,
19:18
Speaker 9: that are conniving, but are there are these moments where
19:21
Speaker 9: she looks sincerely like, oh, I didn't read the room.
19:24
Speaker 9: That is an undiagnosed nor divergent person. There are people
19:27
Speaker 9: who for years superimposed intentions on me when I said
19:31
Speaker 9: tacky shit because I didn't read the room properly. And
19:34
Speaker 9: I've wondered for a very long time if she does
19:37
Speaker 9: have a glimmer of Nord divergence, because the confusion that
19:40
Speaker 9: she has when she's like, oh, that's not what I
19:42
Speaker 9: meant at all, My bad, and then she feels attacked.
19:44
Speaker 7: That's actually something that happens to a.
19:45
Speaker 9: Lot of undiagnosed nor divergent Black women, where we say
19:48
Speaker 9: something wrong, we feel bad. Everybody else is saying with
19:52
Speaker 9: Claudia is saying, well, it's obvious everybody would know better.
19:54
Speaker 9: Your brain sincerely doesn't know any better. And now you're
19:57
Speaker 9: feeling offended because you're feeling misunderstood because trying to tell
20:00
Speaker 9: you an intention that doesn't belong to you, even though
20:02
Speaker 9: you actually feel bad about your impact.
20:04
Speaker 7: And so I'm not gonna diagnose Porsche.
20:06
Speaker 9: I would just say, though, if anybody in her life
20:09
Speaker 9: ever had an opportunity for her to get tested this scene. Actually,
20:13
Speaker 9: the reason why I'm showing her grace is I've been
20:14
Speaker 9: the portion of this situation and you were all wrong.
20:16
Speaker 9: I've been the Porsche who has said something tacky because
20:19
Speaker 9: my brain didn't clock it and I know better, and
20:21
Speaker 9: my intrusive thoughts one and now I've said sorry, and
20:24
Speaker 9: I meant it, but everybody's adding thoughts about my character
20:26
Speaker 9: that's completely it false. So I think that's why I'm
20:29
Speaker 9: sensitive to it, because it can actually be a mistake.
20:32
Speaker 9: I've been the person where it was a mistake and
20:33
Speaker 9: everybody was convinced that I should have known better.
20:37
Speaker 4: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
20:40
Speaker 4: Let's get back into the show.
20:44
Speaker 2: I would love to get that kind of grace.
20:46
Speaker 6: Always wish I knew that, felt like.
20:49
Speaker 5: I have gotten it.
20:50
Speaker 9: So so it's not a risk that you get, it's
20:51
Speaker 9: something that you feel like, Oh, I recognize this confusion.
20:54
Speaker 9: So I recognize something in her that I was like,
20:56
Speaker 9: there's actually a version of this where she did not
20:58
Speaker 9: mean it, even though she's meant others.
21:00
Speaker 7: And so she has an earth the grace to Claudius porn.
21:02
Speaker 7: She hasn't earthed the grace. Doesn't mean I can't see
21:04
Speaker 7: it being a possibility.
21:05
Speaker 4: And one thing I do want to get into next
21:07
Speaker 4: is this. So in the moment as we're watching the show,
21:11
Speaker 4: in the moment, cay Michelle does not say.
21:13
Speaker 5: Anything about it, She's she looks called off guard.
21:16
Speaker 4: She laughs at all, and we know there, we know
21:19
Speaker 4: there is such thing as a nervous laugh.
21:21
Speaker 5: Right.
21:23
Speaker 4: What we then found out is once she left the
21:26
Speaker 4: Nel salon, she tweeted.
21:29
Speaker 5: Pretty much calling Porsche a bimbo.
21:33
Speaker 4: Right then she meets with Cynthia and Pinky and she
21:41
Speaker 4: calls Porsche a ding bat and it catches Cynthia off guard.
21:51
Speaker 4: As a journalist, Hey, for a show, I want to
21:52
Speaker 4: make sure I'm always accurate with the pros.
21:54
Speaker 5: She called Porsche a big ding bat.
21:58
Speaker 4: One thing I noticed was this, and I want us
22:01
Speaker 4: to talk about this because I don't think anyone else
22:03
Speaker 4: is doing it, which is why I love the show.
22:06
Speaker 4: Cynthia was there and when she when ky Michelle talked
22:11
Speaker 4: about what Portia did, Cynthia looked shocked, like wait what, Oh,
22:17
Speaker 4: I don't think she meant.
22:19
Speaker 5: To like that.
22:19
Speaker 4: But I think once you talk to her, you know
22:22
Speaker 4: she'll apologize.
22:23
Speaker 5: So my questions for the panel before we get to
22:25
Speaker 5: the other shade that was thrown.
22:28
Speaker 4: If Cynthia was actually in the room when this happened,
22:32
Speaker 4: and the person in the room, with Cynthia's own words,
22:36
Speaker 4: she didn't clock it either, so does it make the
22:42
Speaker 4: situation more nuanced because the person who said.
22:46
Speaker 5: It obviously then clock it because she said it.
22:49
Speaker 4: The person in the room didn't realize it was a
22:51
Speaker 4: big thing until ky Michelle said it.
22:55
Speaker 5: So do you think there's room for okay, Synth and
22:59
Speaker 5: the clock it. But even so, how how would someone know?
23:01
Speaker 5: Starting with you, jazz Net, I.
23:03
Speaker 8: Think that's a conversation we're having, right, Like, I think
23:06
Speaker 8: we all feel a little differently about that.
23:08
Speaker 3: Like Cynthia is she knows Porsche very well.
23:10
Speaker 8: I think Cynthia even said that in this scene, like
23:13
Speaker 8: I've been knowing these ladies for a long time, like
23:15
Speaker 8: essentially saying like Porsia may not have meant that, or
23:18
Speaker 8: I don't know if she said that in reference to
23:20
Speaker 8: that scene, but anyway, that's Cynthia. Okay, that's Cynthia's position
23:24
Speaker 8: with Porsche right their friends. She knows that Porscha probably
23:27
Speaker 8: didn't mean any harm. But I think that's what we're
23:28
Speaker 8: trying to unpack here, Like there's no way that Cynthia
23:30
Speaker 8: would would know for sure if there was mal intent
23:34
Speaker 8: behind what Porscha said. So I think Cynthia's kind of
23:37
Speaker 8: like some of the rest of us, like, oh I
23:38
Speaker 8: heard it, but like I just thought it was something
23:41
Speaker 8: that Porscha said, like you said blue like just a
23:43
Speaker 8: flippant another flippant comment from Porsche. I don't know what
23:47
Speaker 8: was behind it. That's what I took away from that
23:49
Speaker 8: scene at least, and it has.
23:51
Speaker 7: Been validated too. Let's be clear.
23:52
Speaker 9: Somebody can unintentionally say something harmful and if the impact
23:56
Speaker 9: it's hurtful. Nobody can say that what key Michelle is
23:58
Speaker 9: feeling is wrong. So like there's I mean, there's no
24:00
Speaker 9: argument that mich keb Michelle's feeling is wrong. We're more
24:02
Speaker 9: speculating on intention. I will say this, and this is
24:05
Speaker 9: the point of contention for me with the audience who
24:07
Speaker 9: was so aggrieved by this joke. I was the lone wolf,
24:12
Speaker 9: like five or so years.
24:13
Speaker 7: Ago, who hated, hated, hated the.
24:17
Speaker 9: Now infamous Real House was Atlanta scene at the reunion
24:20
Speaker 9: where Faedra made fun of Kenya Moore for doing vitro oh.
24:25
Speaker 6: I hated that. I thought that was thought that was funny.
24:28
Speaker 6: It was not funny.
24:28
Speaker 9: I thought it was so deeply offensive to see a
24:32
Speaker 9: woman trying to have a child and to mock her
24:36
Speaker 9: and say the Domino Pizza man is gonna just in
24:38
Speaker 9: the cup to give her a baby because she's too
24:40
Speaker 9: much of a loser to find a man to love her,
24:42
Speaker 9: and then you end up divorcing the loser that you
24:45
Speaker 9: were caping for when you said that to me. That
24:47
Speaker 9: was considered one of Faedra's top favorite scenes of all
24:51
Speaker 9: time on TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, wherever you go, The Real
24:55
Speaker 9: House of Atlanta fans loved that scene because at.
24:57
Speaker 7: The time they loved Faedra.
24:59
Speaker 9: Now that we've seen Porsiche do things like to allegedly
25:03
Speaker 9: take a married Van and she's in and out of
25:05
Speaker 9: favor now, the flippant comment about the miscarriage is the
25:08
Speaker 9: worst thing ever.
25:09
Speaker 7: I just feel like this is another case of if it.
25:13
Speaker 9: Was somebody else, any points giving grace might be more received.
25:17
Speaker 9: But because of the complicated feelings that women in particular
25:21
Speaker 9: have around Porsche and not being a girl's girls, and
25:23
Speaker 9: she might say your husband and making jokes about Charles Oakley,
25:26
Speaker 9: I think that she might have made a callous but
25:29
Speaker 9: not malicious mistake that the audience, certain people in the
25:32
Speaker 9: audience just won't have the grace to give her. And
25:34
Speaker 9: it's okay because she's earned that ire right, she's earned
25:36
Speaker 9: the ire. It's the boy who cried with from my opinion,
25:39
Speaker 9: I think she's full of shit A lot of times,
25:41
Speaker 9: I one hundred percent do not believe she's full of
25:43
Speaker 9: shit this time because Cynthia then just say that she's
25:45
Speaker 9: my friend, I know her.
25:46
Speaker 7: She was saying, the energy didn't fill off. If you're
25:49
Speaker 7: in a room and your friend.
25:49
Speaker 9: Says something stupid and nobody says anything and it's a blip,
25:52
Speaker 9: you're not clocking it because it didn't create a moment shift. Well,
25:55
Speaker 9: ky Michelle internalized, I don't think is translated to anybody
25:58
Speaker 9: else in the room, but came Michelle, which is why
25:59
Speaker 9: they all seemed shocked, which she said she had born
26:01
Speaker 9: of consens.
26:02
Speaker 2: Also, I think a lot of the reason why no
26:05
Speaker 2: one else kind of felt a way about it, which
26:07
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter what everybody else felt. It matters what
26:09
Speaker 2: Kye Michelle felt like you said, it's because cam Michelle,
26:12
Speaker 2: I recognize that nervous laugh of like, I'm not going
26:16
Speaker 2: to make a big like I'm not making it bigger
26:17
Speaker 2: right now. And then sometimes you get misjudge or people
26:21
Speaker 2: will say, well, you wouldn't trip on the moment, so
26:24
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was a big deal. So then
26:25
Speaker 2: you know, Simpy made her comment about water breaking and
26:27
Speaker 2: all that, and she probably really thought, and people think
26:29
Speaker 2: a lot of times with tough people that things don't
26:32
Speaker 2: bother you because you're a tough person in other situations.
26:36
Speaker 2: I don't care how tough you are, anyone who has
26:38
Speaker 2: had a miscarriage or has dealt with that, any kind
26:41
Speaker 2: of fertility issues, you are not like you can be
26:44
Speaker 2: the toughest person on earth.
26:45
Speaker 6: But that could be the thing that really hurts you.
26:47
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, maybe maybe there's a world where she wasn't
26:50
Speaker 2: being malicious. Maybe I'm just you know, I'm extra like
26:52
Speaker 2: I've had one before, so color me extra sensitive to
26:56
Speaker 2: people putting it on business. And I had someone put
26:59
Speaker 2: business like that out there in the public space and
27:01
Speaker 2: it was devastating.
27:02
Speaker 6: It was devastating.
27:03
Speaker 2: Actually, they made it seem like it was worth It
27:05
Speaker 2: wasn't a mischaracter like it was an abortion and it's
27:08
Speaker 2: really it's just evil, right, So I'm going about my
27:10
Speaker 2: life experience again. Hopefully it wasn't, because I do like
27:15
Speaker 2: the version of the show where these girls are having fun,
27:17
Speaker 2: and I do think there will be some TV goals
27:20
Speaker 2: with Porsche and camis show that could be really, really
27:23
Speaker 2: funny and get the show back to like the fun
27:25
Speaker 2: kind of you know, a way that it used to be,
27:28
Speaker 2: where the jat the fighting is more verbal than physical.
27:31
Speaker 6: I would like to see that.
27:32
Speaker 2: So it would be great to see in the big
27:34
Speaker 2: picture that it was a one moment thing and it
27:37
Speaker 2: moves on and it really wasn't that. I would like
27:39
Speaker 2: to be wrong about that, where they could go back
27:41
Speaker 2: to the phone, because I'm honestly sick of every single
27:43
Speaker 2: episode being on ten with fighting of reality.
27:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is why I really did enjoy this scene
27:50
Speaker 4: with Cynthia, Pinky and Cam Michelle because it was shady
27:53
Speaker 4: and it was funny and all these things.
27:55
Speaker 5: I want to get you all thoughts on this. Cam Michelle,
27:58
Speaker 5: who is this.
27:59
Speaker 4: Is her her first season on Atlanta Housewives, and she's like,
28:04
Speaker 4: and what's up with Phaedra? All she does is make
28:07
Speaker 4: faces I love them and giggle. You know a lot
28:14
Speaker 4: of people took that and again it was divided online.
28:17
Speaker 4: There are people who question why it's Phaedra on this
28:22
Speaker 4: show because you know, people went back and looked at
28:27
Speaker 4: the first episode her in the all cast sine at
28:30
Speaker 4: Porto's house and she didn't say anything. They saw the
28:33
Speaker 4: all Castine Episode two, Kelly's waffles and she didn't say anything,
28:39
Speaker 4: And when she was at thean Nel salon, she did
28:41
Speaker 4: not say anything. I want to start with you, Blue,
28:46
Speaker 4: the fact that there has been this sort of conversation
28:49
Speaker 4: about the relevancy.
28:50
Speaker 5: Of Phaedra on this show.
28:52
Speaker 4: Are people into just who she was back in the
28:56
Speaker 4: day based on who she is now? Kay Michelle, being
29:01
Speaker 4: new to this and understanding how Ensemble's shows work, I
29:05
Speaker 4: looked at and asked Kim Michelle's like, that's a good point,
29:11
Speaker 4: Like that, what is going on here?
29:13
Speaker 5: And I think that's why she did it? But Blue,
29:16
Speaker 5: what do you what are your thoughts on what Kiy
29:18
Speaker 5: Michelle said about Phaedra.
29:20
Speaker 4: All she does is get go and make faces. And
29:22
Speaker 4: do you think there is a conversation about whether or
29:25
Speaker 4: not Phaedra is a good match for this show anymore?
29:28
Speaker 9: I think it was probably the most brilliant thing she
29:30
Speaker 9: said the entire episode. I think she broke the fourth
29:32
Speaker 9: all and was honest about what a lot of us
29:35
Speaker 9: OG fans I honestly, here's the thing. Phaedra was a
29:38
Speaker 9: star of a moment and then she had the glamor
29:43
Speaker 9: and the intrigue around her departure from real hospital with
29:46
Speaker 9: Atlanta as kind of like a smoke screen. And when
29:49
Speaker 9: she went on Traders, she had these Zappi one liners,
29:52
Speaker 9: but it was always in a controlled environment and she
29:54
Speaker 9: had plenty of time to practice her lines, like is
29:56
Speaker 9: ray in the mirror right, But she wasn't actually that quick.
29:58
Speaker 9: If you watched that the season, she wasn't quick her feet.
30:00
Speaker 9: It was like she would study really hard and then
30:02
Speaker 9: come prepared for a test. But the pickiness that she had,
30:05
Speaker 9: you could tell that she will slow on the uptake.
30:07
Speaker 9: I honestly think Faedro needs to retire. I think that
30:10
Speaker 9: going on Traders should have been her swan song. She
30:14
Speaker 9: should have ended on a high note, returning to the
30:16
Speaker 9: scene in the crime is now showing how stale the
30:18
Speaker 9: milk is.
30:20
Speaker 7: Ja Parks needs to retire. That's my opinion.
30:23
Speaker 8: Hashtag Fedra Parks needs to retire. I agree with you
30:27
Speaker 8: one hundred percent.
30:28
Speaker 3: There.
30:28
Speaker 8: I was gonna bring up her Traders performance, like yo,
30:30
Speaker 8: the network is definitely capitalizing off of like how well
30:33
Speaker 8: she did on the Traders, and they use that. I mean,
30:35
Speaker 8: I'm sure the fandom was asking for it, but like
30:37
Speaker 8: they use that as a reason to usher her back
30:40
Speaker 8: onto the show.
30:41
Speaker 3: But she just doesn't fit anymore.
30:43
Speaker 8: Like I just I am never looking for her in
30:45
Speaker 8: the scene, Like I'm never caring about what she has
30:47
Speaker 8: to say. She hasn't said much, but like I've never
30:49
Speaker 8: once in these three episodes wondered like what is Porsia Portsia, Phedra,
30:54
Speaker 8: What is Faedro gonna say?
30:55
Speaker 3: What is Fader gonna do? I'm never looking for her, like.
30:57
Speaker 8: I'm looking at everybody actually except Pedra now and you Blue,
31:02
Speaker 8: you brought up her rehearsale from that reunion when she
31:05
Speaker 8: did that with Kenya, Like that's that's old, old, old Faedra,
31:09
Speaker 8: that's old Padri. Like I don't think we're ever getting
31:11
Speaker 8: that back. So now I don't have a whole lot
31:13
Speaker 8: to says. I agree with you, Pedra, Sayonara, sisterash to retire.
31:19
Speaker 2: It's a nostalgia, right, Like you know when your show,
31:22
Speaker 2: your favorite show, your favorite singer was at the height
31:25
Speaker 2: of their career and then you like you're like hanging
31:27
Speaker 2: on to the memories from like oh, the nineties or
31:30
Speaker 2: the two thousands or whatever, like when the group was
31:33
Speaker 2: great or the performance was great. It's like you have
31:35
Speaker 2: a favorite quarterback from you know, I don't know, nineteen
31:38
Speaker 2: ninety three and putting them in the Super Bowl now
31:41
Speaker 2: was crazy.
31:41
Speaker 6: And that's what they did.
31:42
Speaker 2: They brought an old quarterback in from the nineties and
31:46
Speaker 2: gave her another shot. And sometimes it works when you
31:48
Speaker 2: bring someone back from the past, and sometimes it doesn't.
31:51
Speaker 2: And they got to be honest about it. I think
31:53
Speaker 2: she didn't give on Mary for medicine, and she's not
31:56
Speaker 2: giving on this.
31:57
Speaker 6: And again, I do think you're right, Blue.
31:58
Speaker 2: They are capitalizing off the the rehearse reads that she
32:01
Speaker 2: did on Traders and thinking that that same magic was there,
32:05
Speaker 2: I think she may be able to be like good
32:08
Speaker 2: again if it was with the same past, you know
32:10
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like it's like, maybe I'm not
32:13
Speaker 2: saying she's trash. I'm not saying she's stupid.
32:15
Speaker 5: She's not.
32:15
Speaker 6: And I gotta give her.
32:16
Speaker 2: One note that I really liked that blue dress and
32:19
Speaker 2: her confessional gorgeous, like one of the most beautiful dresses
32:21
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. But y'all will never give me credit
32:23
Speaker 2: for giving this girl credit. But anyways, so she looks
32:26
Speaker 2: great on that, but as far as what she's bringing,
32:28
Speaker 2: like your storyline can't be that you're a mom, because
32:32
Speaker 2: almost everybody on the show's a mom.
32:34
Speaker 6: And then what else, like you're not giving, you're you're
32:36
Speaker 6: not a.
32:37
Speaker 2: Force multiplier, like Carlos says, all you do is make
32:39
Speaker 2: these weird ass faces and you stick your tongue out.
32:41
Speaker 6: You've got these blonde lace fronts. I'm not feeling and like, I.
32:45
Speaker 2: Don't know, like I think Patria is like though, when
32:48
Speaker 2: we talk about actresses that go on reality tving that
32:51
Speaker 2: two measured and they try to like edit themselves and
32:54
Speaker 2: she's not in the moment. She's just like kind of
32:56
Speaker 2: like I think she's in her head too much, like
32:58
Speaker 2: how this is going to play, and everything just seems
33:01
Speaker 2: rehearsed and not spontaneous. And that's what makes these reality
33:05
Speaker 2: sounds great, is it's spontaneity, and we don't have that.
33:07
Speaker 2: Anybody's gonna be rehearsed. I'd rather have someone that sloppy
33:10
Speaker 2: with it and maybe stuttered when they say something, but
33:13
Speaker 2: it's in a moment and it's real and it's from
33:15
Speaker 2: the heart, and were like we felt that. Then these
33:17
Speaker 2: stupid cornyass like jokes that you probably wrote it home
33:22
Speaker 2: and you were waiting, you had your little tip sheet. Oh,
33:25
Speaker 2: I can put this joke here when she says this
33:28
Speaker 2: that and it feels like that, and you know, it's
33:31
Speaker 2: not hate, it's just the fact. And there's already too
33:33
Speaker 2: many housewives on there, so she should have been in
33:35
Speaker 2: front of the show.
33:35
Speaker 6: Cynthia's given way more than Pedra.
33:38
Speaker 2: Wait.
33:39
Speaker 8: Actually, that's a great point. That is a really great point.
33:42
Speaker 8: And yeah, you know, Fedra is interesting to me. I
33:47
Speaker 8: lost exactly. I was about to say something and it
33:48
Speaker 8: was gonna be a good point, and it completely left
33:50
Speaker 8: my mind.
33:50
Speaker 4: No, I'll.
33:53
Speaker 5: I'll say this.
33:54
Speaker 4: The reason why I was clapping when Claudia said what's
33:58
Speaker 4: missing is a spontaneity is because the conversations that me
34:02
Speaker 4: and my friends are having in this business, all of
34:05
Speaker 4: us who produce reality television.
34:07
Speaker 5: The reason why I'm so thrilled that, you know.
34:10
Speaker 4: The the audience loves Bill Collector Birmingham, is because what
34:15
Speaker 4: is missing is spontaneity. What is missing is real life story.
34:20
Speaker 4: And I am so bothered by anybody on Twitter dot
34:28
Speaker 4: com or exor or social media who are who's even attempting.
34:33
Speaker 5: To drag Pinky Cole.
34:35
Speaker 4: You don't have to like her physically physical appearance cool.
34:41
Speaker 4: You don't have to like the way she talks, fine,
34:45
Speaker 4: But what bothers me is this woman is giving y'all
34:49
Speaker 4: reality of telling the world how she lost her company,
34:54
Speaker 4: how she was bankrupt, how she got bankrupt, because she
34:59
Speaker 4: signed on as a personal gammon tour and she's educating
35:04
Speaker 4: you guys on what that means when you have the
35:06
Speaker 4: ability to have a company that you're getting investors. If
35:11
Speaker 4: you sign on as a personal guaranteur, God forbids something
35:14
Speaker 4: has your company.
35:15
Speaker 5: You're on the hook. As an individual, you're on the hook.
35:18
Speaker 4: So you guys are even listening to what she's educating
35:21
Speaker 4: you guys on because y'all so focused on her look
35:25
Speaker 4: or whatever, and she's given y'all reality. What bothers me
35:29
Speaker 4: so much is you guys don't even like people who
35:32
Speaker 4: are real. Y'all love people who had a heyday. Y'all
35:36
Speaker 4: love people.
35:36
Speaker 5: Who look good in a moonood dress or who looks.
35:39
Speaker 4: Good in a body con dress, who has a great weed,
35:42
Speaker 4: and y'all don't love the person who is given y'all reality.
35:46
Speaker 5: Ky Michelle left the operating room and got her nails
35:50
Speaker 5: done afterwards.
35:51
Speaker 4: Yep, she was dedicated to making sure let me show
35:55
Speaker 4: y'all my reality.
35:56
Speaker 5: She didn't have to call the producers and say, my
35:59
Speaker 5: ass is leaking, come film it.
36:01
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
36:03
Speaker 4: Just this weekend, a wonderful person on Twitter, and I'm
36:06
Speaker 4: so sorry because I like to excite my sources. He
36:10
Speaker 4: posted the highest rated I mean, the top twenty highest
36:15
Speaker 4: rated shows on Bravo twenty out of millions.
36:20
Speaker 5: Nineteen out of twenty were Atlanta Housewives nineteen who and
36:27
Speaker 5: they were produced by me?
36:29
Speaker 7: The thank you okay, yeah, say the rest of the sentence, friend.
36:32
Speaker 5: Uhank you baby? And my thing is this.
36:35
Speaker 4: That's why I don't when y'all try to say, Carlos,
36:37
Speaker 4: shut up. You're just talking about girl. You're watching a
36:40
Speaker 4: show I helped build. You're watching a show that I'm iconic.
36:44
Speaker 4: You're watching twenty fucking episodes that I produced, including Jersey Housewives.
36:48
Speaker 5: No, I'm the motherfucker who knows what he's talking about.
36:50
Speaker 3: Which was the twentieth show on there? You said what
36:53
Speaker 3: the twentieth show?
36:54
Speaker 8: Nineteen out of twenty were Atlanta, the twentieth was Jersey.
36:58
Speaker 3: Your other was I blog? Also, who is the person who?
37:02
Speaker 9: Thank you?
37:02
Speaker 5: Thank you? And my point is saying all that what
37:07
Speaker 5: was so iconic about season six.
37:08
Speaker 4: Shout out to Lorraine Halteil, Lauren Brent, Luke Bianca, my
37:15
Speaker 4: whole day, Lizzie. Lizzie worked on that season two, Kamar,
37:20
Speaker 4: let's go on on, Okay, Luke, Okay, fine.
37:23
Speaker 5: Now my point is because there's no Iron Team.
37:26
Speaker 4: My point is y'all fell in love with those twenty
37:30
Speaker 4: episodes because they were real.
37:33
Speaker 5: You had Porsche going through a divorce. You have Porsche who.
37:37
Speaker 4: Moved in Nini's neighborhood and Ninnie said, well, damn bitch,
37:40
Speaker 4: I didn't know that you're a bad friend. You have
37:42
Speaker 4: Fador in Apollo dealing with rumors that Kenya allegedly tried
37:45
Speaker 4: to suck his d okay. You had Candy dealing with
37:51
Speaker 4: her mother not liking this man. She's engaged too, all right.
37:55
Speaker 4: You had moments of reality. And when y'all talk about
38:00
Speaker 4: a show being bad, blame y'all. Y'all give so much
38:04
Speaker 4: hype to some of these girls who don't do shit. Yeah,
38:09
Speaker 4: so when a show is bad, blame yourself. Because I
38:12
Speaker 4: can tell you what happens is the network executives they
38:15
Speaker 4: look on Twitter and say, well, who they talking about?
38:17
Speaker 4: Where they're talking about that person, and that person does nothing,
38:21
Speaker 4: does nothing, but y'all like the way she looks.
38:23
Speaker 5: Picky Cole is giving us real reality.
38:25
Speaker 4: Picky Coats educating black women on I'm giving y'all the
38:29
Speaker 4: rawness of what it is to be a business woman.
38:33
Speaker 4: Angela Oakley's telling y'all, I lost two million dollars because
38:38
Speaker 4: of bad investments. Y'all hate real reality stars, but what
38:42
Speaker 4: y'all do love? Y'all love a bad bitch. Y'all love
38:46
Speaker 4: somebody who looks good in a fashion noble outfit. But
38:51
Speaker 4: the woman who is trying to give y'all good television,
38:54
Speaker 4: y'all don't like her.
38:55
Speaker 5: And then y'all wonder why these shows suck. They suck
38:59
Speaker 5: because of you.
39:01
Speaker 2: I will co sign one thousand percent all it takes
39:05
Speaker 2: for someone to be best dressed or well dressed for
39:07
Speaker 2: people to like them on reality TV. And I saw
39:10
Speaker 2: that on several of the shows. You see it on
39:11
Speaker 2: Basketball Wives, you see it on Atlanta Housewives, you see
39:13
Speaker 2: it on a lot of the other shows.
39:15
Speaker 6: That's all it takes. And you saw. I noticed the
39:18
Speaker 6: difference with Kim k. They hated her when she was
39:22
Speaker 6: wearing those bandaged dresses. You changed her syl Up. I
39:25
Speaker 6: saw the fakest shit I ever seen in the business.
39:28
Speaker 2: I saw people who I knew a hating on her,
39:31
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they loved her. It was because
39:33
Speaker 2: of the clothes. That is how simple minded some not
39:35
Speaker 2: all of the fans are. People will hate you because
39:38
Speaker 2: of how you dress or you're not coming with it.
39:41
Speaker 2: That's all it really takes. And that is a frustrating
39:44
Speaker 2: thing to watch because what you do is you made
39:46
Speaker 2: these people go go broke trying to satisfy y'all to
39:50
Speaker 2: be the most liked on the show, and go run
39:52
Speaker 2: their credit cards up and live outside their means to
39:55
Speaker 2: be like the most liked one with these clothes.
39:57
Speaker 6: These girls, I'm telling you not all.
39:59
Speaker 2: A lot of these Highlanta girls that we're talking about now,
40:00
Speaker 2: they are they actually been on there for a long time.
40:02
Speaker 6: They have bread.
40:03
Speaker 2: But like they will go, they will they will go broke,
40:06
Speaker 2: renting clothes so you can like them so they can
40:09
Speaker 2: get another season. And then you have a girl like
40:11
Speaker 2: Pinky Cole that you don't like because her hair is shorter,
40:14
Speaker 2: her clothes or her you don't like her body or whatever.
40:16
Speaker 2: She's a natural black woman and people giving her smoke.
40:19
Speaker 2: I actually am a huge fan of how vulnerable this
40:22
Speaker 2: woman is willing to be on this show at the
40:25
Speaker 2: detriment of probably her own marriage. She's telling us stuff
40:27
Speaker 2: before she's telling her husband, and I thought, I mean,
40:30
Speaker 2: that may not be good for him.
40:31
Speaker 6: But as far as the reality producer, that is gold
40:34
Speaker 6: right there. That is goal.
40:35
Speaker 2: She's given you one hundred percent and she's not even
40:38
Speaker 2: getting the big contract yet, and she's being a great
40:40
Speaker 2: reality star. And the fact that people are hating on
40:42
Speaker 2: her because of superficial things, that's crazy.
40:44
Speaker 6: I think she's dope.
40:48
Speaker 8: Keemachelle and Pinky coll were definitely gonna give us a
40:50
Speaker 8: lot more than the girls that we have seen already
40:53
Speaker 8: because they have something to prove. This is their first season,
40:55
Speaker 8: so I'm not shocked that they're giving us a lot.
40:59
Speaker 8: I do think with Carlos, you said, like people just
41:03
Speaker 8: love the girls who look good or whatever, and came
41:05
Speaker 8: a Pinky Coal Angela. They're giving us a real reality.
41:08
Speaker 8: I also think the fandom loves conflict, right, So when
41:11
Speaker 8: the girls are like reading each other or they're at
41:13
Speaker 8: each other's throats, like the high conflict, the heavy drama
41:16
Speaker 8: that's also something that the fandom wants.
41:18
Speaker 3: Or like they want to talk about.
41:21
Speaker 8: I think that's also like ruining the show a lot, right,
41:23
Speaker 8: because kay Michelle says something in the nel salon scene
41:27
Speaker 8: when they were all like asking her, she was okay,
41:29
Speaker 8: and she goes, how am I supposed.
41:30
Speaker 3: To fight with y'all? And y'all are being so nice
41:32
Speaker 3: to me?
41:33
Speaker 8: Right? So that colored my Like that colored the way
41:36
Speaker 8: I looked at her for the rest of the episode
41:39
Speaker 8: with this thing with Portia, because I had also seen
41:41
Speaker 8: people in the audience saying like she was like she
41:43
Speaker 8: was dragging it, like she was so offended by it,
41:46
Speaker 8: and I'm like, well, yeah, she is, like that's her
41:48
Speaker 8: first bone, right, she thinks that she needs to be
41:50
Speaker 8: in conflict with these people. This is her first like
41:53
Speaker 8: piece of conflict. So of course she's gonna hold on
41:55
Speaker 8: to this because that's like what she thinks the show
41:57
Speaker 8: is supposed to be. And so I think the conflict
41:59
Speaker 8: like you but wanting a lot of conflict and they
42:02
Speaker 8: haven't had a lot. I mean, it's been like light
42:03
Speaker 8: stuff so far. But I think that's also something that
42:06
Speaker 8: the audience is.
42:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then the thing is this I'm like real conflict.
42:10
Speaker 4: That's why for me, it's one of those things where
42:13
Speaker 4: the heyday of these shows was when the girls really
42:17
Speaker 4: had conflict, Like Faja was really mad that she thought
42:21
Speaker 4: her husband was flirting with Kinga and vice versa, and.
42:26
Speaker 5: Every woman in the world watched that and said, I
42:30
Speaker 5: get it. I understand that, right.
42:34
Speaker 4: I can get that Candy dealing with her mother not
42:38
Speaker 4: liking her. Dude, women, I can hang on to that.
42:42
Speaker 5: I get it. So when the conflict arose because of
42:45
Speaker 5: those things, it made sense.
42:48
Speaker 4: And I think for me, you know, look, I want
42:51
Speaker 4: to get into the Shamia scene now too, because you know,
42:55
Speaker 4: Shamiah is somebody who is a gorgeous woman and she's
42:59
Speaker 4: in and she's a kept woman.
43:01
Speaker 5: You know, she she works because she wants to go
43:05
Speaker 5: out the house and and work.
43:09
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, they're called passion projects.
43:12
Speaker 5: Yes, so this whole thing, but the rum you know, I.
43:19
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say this on the auto looking in and Shemiah,
43:22
Speaker 4: you can call me if I got this wrong. I
43:26
Speaker 4: looked at that scene and said, Shamia, I want you
43:29
Speaker 4: to have a business.
43:30
Speaker 5: I'm not sure this is the one and the reason
43:33
Speaker 5: why I'm saying I'm not sure.
43:35
Speaker 4: If this is the one is because I don't want
43:39
Speaker 4: Shmia to feel that she has to have something to
43:44
Speaker 4: promote because she's on the show.
43:46
Speaker 5: You know one thing that.
43:50
Speaker 4: I'm beginning the reality starts name, it'll come to me.
43:53
Speaker 4: I like it when a reality starts on the show
43:56
Speaker 4: and she's like, my man's rich. I'm on here because
43:58
Speaker 4: I like to have fun.
43:59
Speaker 5: And that's that.
44:00
Speaker 4: I saw some of what she was doing with Jerald.
44:05
Speaker 4: I thought, Gerald, I don't know if y'all call this.
44:08
Speaker 4: Jerald really does love his wife and he really is
44:12
Speaker 4: trying to help her, and it saddened me that Shamiah
44:15
Speaker 4: took that ad. Well, maybe he doesn't want them to
44:17
Speaker 4: have my own thing. No, he's looking out for you,
44:19
Speaker 4: and you came to that realization, unfortunately in the boardroom.
44:23
Speaker 4: And Shamiya, don't you ever pump your ass in a
44:26
Speaker 4: boardroom against this.
44:28
Speaker 5: Don't. I love you down and I'll see you at
44:30
Speaker 5: the Hawks gang. Don't don't. I don't care that whole rumbum, Shmia,
44:35
Speaker 5: don't get a baby.
44:37
Speaker 4: I think Jerald is an amazing husband and Shamia's story
44:42
Speaker 4: to me is so interesting, and again this is personal story.
44:45
Speaker 4: I think a lot of women can relate to Shamia
44:47
Speaker 4: being like, yes, I have all of this, but I
44:51
Speaker 4: want something of my own.
44:53
Speaker 5: And my hope is that this season we get to
44:55
Speaker 5: see her struggle with I just want something of my own.
45:01
Speaker 4: But that particular thing, I think, based on Gerald's intelligence,
45:07
Speaker 4: this one particular thing does not make sense.
45:10
Speaker 2: I think that's admirable that she wants, and I think
45:12
Speaker 2: that's a you know, I like women that want to
45:15
Speaker 2: have their own even if they don't have to. And
45:18
Speaker 2: also there's probably like the added pressure. Look, they're on
45:21
Speaker 2: a reality show. She doesn't want to be viewed as
45:23
Speaker 2: someone that's just home as a catwoman, because she has
45:25
Speaker 2: to go in a battle with these girls every day
45:28
Speaker 2: and hold their own And it's a lot easier when
45:30
Speaker 2: you have a successful business and you have something you
45:32
Speaker 2: can hang your own hat on, you know, And there
45:34
Speaker 2: is a pressure and I will even say this in
45:36
Speaker 2: Porsche's defense a little bit with the pressure of having
45:40
Speaker 2: to have a seen. So sometimes in Chemi show, sometimes
45:44
Speaker 2: you got to put a little tent on twenty for
45:45
Speaker 2: the show. So it's hard to know when we given
45:47
Speaker 2: commentary like I'm gonna go by, you know, just calling
45:51
Speaker 2: it at what it is.
45:52
Speaker 6: But I gotta keep.
45:53
Speaker 2: Reminding myself at the end of the day, they are
45:56
Speaker 2: on a reality show, and sometimes you may have to
45:58
Speaker 2: go a little hard or drag something a little bit
46:00
Speaker 2: more on point ten on twenty because there is a
46:02
Speaker 2: pressure of the show.
46:03
Speaker 6: Just like on the scene with Shamia and her Man.
46:06
Speaker 6: I mean, you still have that pressure of you all
46:08
Speaker 6: on a show.
46:10
Speaker 9: You know, you know, No, I'm concerned for Shamiah. She
46:13
Speaker 9: was my favorite last season, and I'm concerned for her
46:16
Speaker 9: because she started off with the trajectory of like a trace,
46:20
Speaker 9: not Tracy, a stacy, but now she's turning more into it.
46:23
Speaker 9: She by Charay Joggers early summer spring fall. I think
46:27
Speaker 9: that she was popular, but now the performative. Somebody posting
46:31
Speaker 9: I think that's the when we posted it and said,
46:32
Speaker 9: Shamiyah is funny, but she always goes a beat too long,
46:35
Speaker 9: Like the joke always lingers a couple of beats longer
46:38
Speaker 9: than it needs to, and it reads a little bit desperate.
46:41
Speaker 9: I think Shamiah really wants to be relevant for you
46:44
Speaker 9: to try to have a peach flavored rum and a
46:46
Speaker 9: place where peaches don't grow. And also I want to
46:52
Speaker 9: say about the pinky things my wife, I went on,
46:54
Speaker 9: when we're talking about Pinky, Pinky's greatest in this entire season,
46:57
Speaker 9: it's not having a lace friend. Anybody who's not in
47:00
Speaker 9: love with Pinky is someone who's a slave to optics.
47:02
Speaker 7: If Pinky with the same.
47:04
Speaker 9: Body, same everything, just had on our nine little favor
47:07
Speaker 9: special lace front and was dressed a certain way, I
47:10
Speaker 9: think the audience would realize how hard she's working. I
47:13
Speaker 9: think there's a laziness that happens even when you look
47:15
Speaker 9: at music. What do they say all you need is
47:17
Speaker 9: a clean white T shirt to launch a man, but
47:19
Speaker 9: for a woman, you have to get her injections in
47:21
Speaker 9: a lace front and contour and make sure that she's
47:23
Speaker 9: wearing a onesie and you know her boobs are propped up.
47:26
Speaker 9: I think there's a styling issue with the expectations of Atlanta,
47:29
Speaker 9: where there's a grace that I saw them give to
47:31
Speaker 9: Angela that they didn't give to Pinky, and honestly, the
47:34
Speaker 9: only difference was optics. And I think there's something problematic
47:37
Speaker 9: about it because how do we keep saying we want
47:39
Speaker 9: these shows to have realistic looking women, but y'all never
47:41
Speaker 9: cut them any slack.
47:42
Speaker 7: When we finally have them, so justice for Pinky.
47:44
Speaker 9: I think she's probably working for her check the hardest,
47:46
Speaker 9: even harder than k Michelle right now, though.
47:48
Speaker 7: Cay Michelle is clearly the star.
47:49
Speaker 9: And I really feel like Shmiah is going to get
47:52
Speaker 9: desperate and in the eyes of Chara, is going to
47:54
Speaker 9: probably become a bone collector. I don't know about the
47:56
Speaker 9: season so far, but she's acting like this rum company's
47:59
Speaker 9: not going to work out now, She's gonna make Stirring
48:01
Speaker 9: trouble her her entire storyline the rest of the season.
48:03
Speaker 7: I'm already getting that feeling.
48:05
Speaker 5: Jas said about Pinky.
48:07
Speaker 8: I disagree not to like bean soup you, but I
48:13
Speaker 8: in just the last Monday Night Live, I was like,
48:15
Speaker 8: I'm kind of lukewarm on Pinky right like, I'm still
48:17
Speaker 8: trying to figure out how I feel about her. It
48:20
Speaker 8: has nothing, it doesn't have anything to do with the
48:22
Speaker 8: way she looks. It's just I think it's the way
48:24
Speaker 8: that she comes across and we had this conversation. She
48:27
Speaker 8: feels almost too normal on the show, or at least
48:31
Speaker 8: last like the first episode or two, that was my takeaway,
48:34
Speaker 8: but this one, after this episode, I do, like I
48:37
Speaker 8: just said, I think she is because this is the
48:38
Speaker 8: episode where I thought that if she was gonna win
48:40
Speaker 8: you over without being optical, it would have been this one.
48:42
Speaker 7: So you still don't believe her after this one? I'm sorry.
48:47
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm still I'm still not like, oh my gosh,
48:49
Speaker 8: I'm in love with her, but I am like, I'm
48:51
Speaker 8: very curious about, like what's going. I'm I'm curious about
48:54
Speaker 8: the relationship, Like how the hell did you go to
48:57
Speaker 8: a bankruptcy meeting without you got out of the bed
49:00
Speaker 8: with your man, went to a bankruptcy meeting and didn't
49:03
Speaker 8: tell him that's where you were going.
49:05
Speaker 3: I was in here like, oh, I wouldn't the producers.
49:08
Speaker 7: So the producers though.
49:10
Speaker 8: Told everybody else we're watching it. That's that was that
49:14
Speaker 8: was interesting to me. So yes, yeah, she is doing.
49:21
Speaker 4: This as a producer, and this is no shade. We
49:25
Speaker 4: love it when talent calls us before they partners, because.
49:28
Speaker 3: We're like, oh, Carlos, you're ruining relationships.
49:32
Speaker 4: I'm not.
49:33
Speaker 6: I don't care about their relationships.
49:35
Speaker 7: It's good.
49:38
Speaker 4: When Anthony Frankel Water broke, she called her producer first,
49:43
Speaker 4: and then called her doctor.
49:44
Speaker 3: Second, mess and then her husband third.
49:49
Speaker 6: I do think that that would be an issue down.
49:52
Speaker 2: Because because hers gonna see I mean that of course
49:55
Speaker 2: that's gonna be such an issue, and she's not the
49:57
Speaker 2: only one of the shows telling us stuff before the husband.
50:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the biggest thing for me this episode.
50:04
Speaker 8: I was like, that's that signaled to me so loudly,
50:08
Speaker 8: like Pinky does not trust her husband's judgment or his
50:11
Speaker 8: counsel like I could. I would never go to it
50:13
Speaker 8: into a meeting like that and not tell ray like
50:17
Speaker 8: I won't even I won't even have scheduled the meeting
50:19
Speaker 8: without like talking to him first. It's like not to
50:21
Speaker 8: get permission, but like, this is a huge thing. You're
50:24
Speaker 8: finding bankruptcy.
50:26
Speaker 6: And you got.
50:28
Speaker 7: Just be honest.
50:31
Speaker 3: Beta.
50:32
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think in the presence of her, because she's
50:35
Speaker 8: very dominant when she's she said these were her words,
50:38
Speaker 8: not mine. She said, she's a very dominant woman. I
50:41
Speaker 8: don't think he's Beta though. I think it's just really
50:43
Speaker 8: hard to be super awful with an altful woman like that,
50:47
Speaker 8: Like I might think.
50:49
Speaker 4: To your point this though, to your point, we're gonna
50:53
Speaker 4: have a real conversation right in advance, because lord knows,
50:58
Speaker 4: y'all more offended by what we say than way.
51:01
Speaker 6: Do we still have to apologize because like, yeah, you don't.
51:05
Speaker 8: I'm not.
51:08
Speaker 7: Carlos. The comment on the screen is is why I
51:10
Speaker 7: was asking guys that question.
51:12
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I was gonna say Okay, so I was
51:15
Speaker 5: gonna say this. I never met Derek, right. I do
51:18
Speaker 5: think Derek is beta.
51:20
Speaker 2: I do.
51:22
Speaker 4: Oprah is with Stedman and and Oprah is a force,
51:25
Speaker 4: and she's all these things, and you ever met stead
51:27
Speaker 4: Stem is a very masculine, attractive, smart, intelligent man who
51:32
Speaker 4: loves his own white and doesn't need to borrow oprahs
51:35
Speaker 4: to be that. I think Derek is that. But but
51:38
Speaker 4: I definitely think when a woman is alpha, she does
51:42
Speaker 4: attract beta man. And let's be real, beta man does exist.
51:46
Speaker 4: It doesn't make you less masculine. It just means you
51:49
Speaker 4: you're more You're more calm, you know. I think listen,
51:54
Speaker 4: my advice to Pinky would be this, and my advice
51:57
Speaker 4: to Pinky is the same.
51:59
Speaker 5: I wouldive Shmia, you both are married to very smart men.
52:04
Speaker 5: Why the fuck aren't you guys taking advantage of that?
52:07
Speaker 5: That's weird to me.
52:08
Speaker 4: I would love to pill a talk I do anyway, Hey, Claudia,
52:12
Speaker 4: I would love It's like Joe, I would love to
52:20
Speaker 4: talk to my man about my business, like this is
52:24
Speaker 4: your partner.
52:25
Speaker 5: So the fact that you're going.
52:27
Speaker 4: To remove his Pinky's man, if y'all know anything about Derek,
52:32
Speaker 4: Derek is a major deal in Atlanta. He owns a
52:35
Speaker 4: lot of Philly cheese Steak Derek. Derek has a shitload,
52:39
Speaker 4: and Gerald, as we know, the age back, has a shitload.
52:42
Speaker 4: I'm sad that Smia and Pinky don't take advantage of
52:46
Speaker 4: the man.
52:47
Speaker 5: You're more comfortable laying with him, having his kids, but
52:50
Speaker 5: you're not comfortable bending his ear for advice.
52:55
Speaker 9: Hyper independence is a trauma response. That's that's why I
52:57
Speaker 9: was saying there, whenever you see an alpha woman who
53:00
Speaker 9: was ready to receive love, what do we all say?
53:02
Speaker 9: I'm sure Jazz you said it, Claudia. I know you
53:04
Speaker 9: and I have said this before to each other. I
53:06
Speaker 9: would love to be around a man who I can
53:08
Speaker 9: let my guard down and not have to be the
53:10
Speaker 9: one in charge all the time. I just need a
53:12
Speaker 9: man that I could trust enough to do it. So
53:14
Speaker 9: half the time, when you see a woman like thinky
53:16
Speaker 9: not Aquiesce's what Jazz is saying is, Hey, maybe I
53:19
Speaker 9: don't believe in your leadership.
53:21
Speaker 7: The other half, though, you have hyper independence.
53:24
Speaker 9: As a trauma response, and you don't know how to
53:26
Speaker 9: receive the thing you've been asking for. And what I
53:29
Speaker 9: saw was I kept on thinking does he not know
53:33
Speaker 9: how to be a thought partner?
53:35
Speaker 7: Or does she suck at asking for help?
53:37
Speaker 9: And I'm really asking for help, asking for help more
53:41
Speaker 9: than it being a reflection of him. And so I
53:43
Speaker 9: was like, Ooh, I'm watching him for those things that
53:45
Speaker 9: would make me feel like she has a reason.
53:47
Speaker 7: I think this is her.
53:49
Speaker 9: I think she's that fifty percent of the ALCA woman
53:51
Speaker 9: who claim they want a man who can be a
53:53
Speaker 9: thought partner, but who does not know how to acquiesk
53:55
Speaker 9: and relinquish control enough to actually let thought partnership happen.
53:59
Speaker 2: I felt that watching them that I don't think he's beta.
54:02
Speaker 2: I think he's a very big deal in Atlanta, like
54:04
Speaker 2: Carlo said said, they are more. I think there is
54:07
Speaker 2: a competition between them. I think they're in a competition.
54:10
Speaker 2: That's what I think. And if you're in competition with
54:13
Speaker 2: your mate, whether he's with her or she's with him,
54:16
Speaker 2: you do not want to admit to your competition that
54:19
Speaker 2: you have failed. You do not want to tell them
54:21
Speaker 2: that I did not I messed up with the money.
54:24
Speaker 2: You want to go handle it so you can jump
54:26
Speaker 2: back in the game, like, no, we good, you made
54:28
Speaker 2: drum million this week I made my million. They try
54:30
Speaker 2: to match each other with success.
54:32
Speaker 6: That's my opinion.
54:32
Speaker 2: I've been with beta men and I actually don't I
54:35
Speaker 2: don't dislike beta men. I think it is difficult to
54:37
Speaker 2: two alphas to be together. It's damn man possible. Everyone
54:40
Speaker 2: says they want to power a couple until they get
54:42
Speaker 2: in one, and the reality of it, it is too hard.
54:44
Speaker 2: And beta men usually are very very very very good
54:48
Speaker 2: for alpha women because it works.
54:49
Speaker 6: It works, you know, as long as.
54:50
Speaker 2: You not disrespect him. I think they're in competition for
54:54
Speaker 2: a few reasons. Hey, him saying he had a humble
54:56
Speaker 2: hert and she's like, oh, she clocked it, like we
54:59
Speaker 2: clocked it.
54:59
Speaker 6: Okay, she's not dumb. She heard that.
55:02
Speaker 2: So it's another reason when she's not gonna want to
55:05
Speaker 2: run to him and feel safe to tell him that
55:07
Speaker 2: I mess up with my business. Hell no, when you're
55:10
Speaker 2: in competition with your mate, you are not telling them
55:12
Speaker 2: you're el's. You're telling your producers, you're l before you're
55:15
Speaker 2: telling your man because you want to still be a
55:17
Speaker 2: winner in his eyes, which sucks.
55:18
Speaker 6: That's not safe.
55:20
Speaker 8: No, that's my opinion. That's crazy, though, I would hate.
55:25
Speaker 8: That's so crazy. That's crazy to be married to someone
55:29
Speaker 8: and not feel safe enough. You've had how many children
55:32
Speaker 8: with this man? You got to hear everything else three
55:35
Speaker 8: back to that, and you don't feel safe telling him.
55:39
Speaker 6: They have business. They jumped in because listen and the.
55:42
Speaker 2: Beginning to which people to popping people you get together,
55:45
Speaker 2: it's brand news.
55:46
Speaker 6: They got married. Yes, they got married before they really
55:49
Speaker 6: knew each other.
55:50
Speaker 2: They back to back to back kids, and then when
55:52
Speaker 2: the dust settles, then they probably talked real business.
55:54
Speaker 6: I bet you there was no business talking in the beginning.
55:57
Speaker 6: She knew he was popping, and he knew she was popping.
55:59
Speaker 6: She knew he was pop. Invice was a good luck.
56:01
Speaker 2: Probably Look wait, but they probably were so busy having
56:04
Speaker 2: a good brand new sex, first gut together and when
56:07
Speaker 2: the dust settles, look at she's crying a lot.
56:09
Speaker 6: She does not feel she's sad. She's depressed. Yeah, in
56:13
Speaker 6: my opinion, let me just say that I'm.
56:15
Speaker 4: Not And my advice to the ladies, Hey ladies, because
56:20
Speaker 4: Claudia says, no straight man watch this.
56:22
Speaker 5: So hey lady, Yeah, guys that I'm dating a break
56:34
Speaker 5: it in our straight.
56:36
Speaker 6: Demographic. Hey wooz, I'll call you later, Lady.
56:40
Speaker 5: Thank you for your service.
56:42
Speaker 4: I will say this, you're at a disadvantaged ladies. Ladies,
56:47
Speaker 4: this is coming from y'all, your big gay brother. I
56:51
Speaker 4: implore all of you all to be successful and the
56:54
Speaker 4: best and to make your own mind.
56:56
Speaker 5: I want all those things for you.
56:58
Speaker 4: If you happen to be with the man that is successful,
57:02
Speaker 4: you're doing yourself with disservice by not bouncing ideas off
57:06
Speaker 4: of him, being in competition with him, or trying to
57:10
Speaker 4: impress him that you can do this without him, You're
57:13
Speaker 4: going to lose. And it's not a maybe, it's you
57:16
Speaker 4: are going to lose. My last example will be, Hey, Oprah.
57:20
Speaker 4: The reason why we have the Oprah Winfrey Network is
57:23
Speaker 4: because Oprah was at a hotel with Stepman. She was
57:25
Speaker 4: complaining about what she saw on the TV. Stepman said, well,
57:28
Speaker 4: start your own network then, and she said, what do
57:30
Speaker 4: you mean. He said, you can't just complain about what
57:33
Speaker 4: you're seeing on television, your Oprah, So start your own network,
57:37
Speaker 4: and she did it.
57:39
Speaker 5: So take advantage of being with a man who you
57:43
Speaker 5: love and bouncing things off of him.
57:46
Speaker 4: You're doing your sub with disservice because you're gonna end
57:48
Speaker 4: up dating babe.
57:50
Speaker 5: I say that as a transition to Black Andrew because.
57:55
Speaker 6: Kindness add one thing about Pinking. I dis agreed. I
57:57
Speaker 6: saw a comment in the chat.
57:58
Speaker 2: I also think that there's a lot of pressure on Pinky,
58:01
Speaker 2: like because of like how people are viewing her aesthetically,
58:03
Speaker 2: which I think is bullshit.
58:04
Speaker 6: I think she's dope. I like her.
58:06
Speaker 2: She has that added pressure of being super successful, right
58:10
Speaker 2: because she knows, like that's what like, that's like her thing.
58:13
Speaker 2: Like some people just get by on being like with
58:15
Speaker 2: the bbls and the weaves and the lashes and all that.
58:18
Speaker 2: Pinky is her I think the most attractive thing about her.
58:22
Speaker 2: That's like her stand out thing. We all have our
58:23
Speaker 2: standout thing, personality, body, whatever, she's She's supposed to be
58:27
Speaker 2: the very successful, wealthy person. So when that falls by
58:30
Speaker 2: the wayside, that puts a lot of pressure on you,
58:32
Speaker 2: Like I got to keep it up because like that
58:34
Speaker 2: was the thing. Maybe that was part of the reason
58:35
Speaker 2: why her man was so was attracted her because of
58:37
Speaker 2: her business acumen. So when that's nots falling apart, do
58:40
Speaker 2: you want to really tell the person that fell in.
58:42
Speaker 6: Love with you for that?
58:43
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm assuming I'm making a lot of assumptions tonight,
58:46
Speaker 2: but she's she's she doesn't stop opening up to her husband.
58:49
Speaker 2: She's going to crack. She's kind of cracking, you know,
58:53
Speaker 2: and I feel bad for her.
58:55
Speaker 5: Thank you to the one straight guy that was.
58:57
Speaker 3: In the comments, the third straight guy because booze.
59:01
Speaker 6: And then.
59:04
Speaker 4: I want to read it because I want to that
59:08
Speaker 4: we do have straight men who go on this podcast.
59:12
Speaker 5: I mean who listens?
59:14
Speaker 7: So who?
59:16
Speaker 4: The producer three six five says, nah, my wife and
59:20
Speaker 4: I have been in business together since two thousand and
59:22
Speaker 4: nine and discuss everything, and she's a cancer survivor.
59:26
Speaker 5: So yes, till death. It was part. I love that.
59:29
Speaker 5: I love that, that love that.
59:32
Speaker 4: What I don't love is when you're on a day
59:34
Speaker 4: with the man and he walks in with his shirt open. Drew, Drew,
59:39
Speaker 4: y'all know, I love and there's not one person in
59:42
Speaker 4: this world who can make me hate her. Right, I
59:44
Speaker 4: love Drew, But I will say, is this I don't
59:46
Speaker 4: know Black, so this is not this to black?
59:50
Speaker 5: If it really is it. I don't know him.
59:52
Speaker 4: I think it's highly inappropriate to go on a date
59:57
Speaker 4: inside of a restaurant and you're shirt is all the
1:00:00
Speaker 4: way open and drew.
1:00:06
Speaker 5: In the words of Stacy Rash.
1:00:10
Speaker 7: Carl, your shirt is open and you begged for Kouchi
1:00:12
Speaker 7: for seven minutes straight.
1:00:14
Speaker 9: I've never seen that much Couchi begging off of an
1:00:17
Speaker 9: R and B video in my entire freaking life. He said,
1:00:20
Speaker 9: friends with benefits? Yes, yes, we're friends with the benefits.
1:00:23
Speaker 9: Does this job come with benefits? I would like to benefit. Oh,
1:00:26
Speaker 9: but what if we're just friends. No, I'm not here
1:00:29
Speaker 9: for your personality. Ho when do I get my benefits?
1:00:32
Speaker 7: At certain point, I said, oh my god, just give
1:00:34
Speaker 7: him some. In the bathroom, girl, y'all cut. Somebody helped.
1:00:37
Speaker 9: This man was begging for vagina the entire scene, and
1:00:41
Speaker 9: I was dying on the inside, Like, girl, you could
1:00:43
Speaker 9: just stay with Ralph.
1:00:43
Speaker 5: For all this.
1:00:45
Speaker 7: I don't know that was facetious at the end.
1:00:48
Speaker 5: But no.
1:00:50
Speaker 9: Black spent the first episode on the phone not taking
1:00:54
Speaker 9: any pe breaks, and the third episode with his titties
1:00:57
Speaker 9: out begging for Puss.
1:00:58
Speaker 7: I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan.
1:01:01
Speaker 3: I want to go, I don't have anything to you know,
1:01:09
Speaker 3: for me, sweetie.
1:01:10
Speaker 8: You know, Carlos, you know, I've historically been very hard
1:01:13
Speaker 8: on Drew, very hard on Drew. Even I was like,
1:01:17
Speaker 8: Drew can do better. I thought, even Drew can do
1:01:20
Speaker 8: better than this. It's a running joke.
1:01:28
Speaker 7: I think.
1:01:29
Speaker 3: I think Drew is a beautiful, beautiful woman, but she's
1:01:31
Speaker 3: just anyway. Yeah, I like that.
1:01:36
Speaker 6: I like black in real life too, Like he's cool.
1:01:40
Speaker 2: He has that hookah company, which I smoke those black
1:01:42
Speaker 2: smoke hookas I've had.
1:01:43
Speaker 6: I love them. They're really good.
1:01:45
Speaker 2: He's a good he's a great businessman. He's rich, he
1:01:47
Speaker 2: has a he's got a life together. But honestly, and
1:01:51
Speaker 2: you know, I like Drew and I will definitely I
1:01:53
Speaker 2: will listen. I'll try to make an excuse my girl.
1:01:55
Speaker 2: But I felt like he came into the scene acting
1:01:58
Speaker 2: For the first forty seventy five percent of it, it
1:02:02
Speaker 2: felt fake. It felt like a script was being followed,
1:02:04
Speaker 2: like he or he was like putting on for the cameras.
1:02:07
Speaker 2: And I did feel towards the end of the conversation
1:02:09
Speaker 2: he got like was normal, right like it got But
1:02:12
Speaker 2: the beginning the first thirty half of it was cringe
1:02:15
Speaker 2: and I felt bad, and I felt like even Drew
1:02:17
Speaker 2: recognized it.
1:02:18
Speaker 6: She was trying her best to play it off like Okay, yeah,
1:02:21
Speaker 6: you want to.
1:02:22
Speaker 8: Pay that part.
1:02:23
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
1:02:24
Speaker 5: So he didn't want Claudia, he didn't want.
1:02:27
Speaker 7: No, I think he wants.
1:02:28
Speaker 6: I do think he's one of the four straight men
1:02:30
Speaker 6: left in Atlanta. I do think that. But I do
1:02:32
Speaker 6: think that.
1:02:33
Speaker 2: It just I think he came in there with it,
1:02:37
Speaker 2: like he wanted to show like she's desired, she's wanted.
1:02:39
Speaker 2: I want you.
1:02:40
Speaker 6: You're sexy, so let me do that.
1:02:42
Speaker 2: But I think he kind of said things he wasn't
1:02:44
Speaker 2: supposed to, Like I don't know if she wanted him
1:02:45
Speaker 2: to say the friends with benefits saying or gifts.
1:02:49
Speaker 6: Yeah, well I would give him the gifts.
1:02:52
Speaker 3: I thought that was a I thought that was a
1:02:53
Speaker 3: sweet gesture.
1:02:54
Speaker 8: Yeah, when I say why she could do better, I know,
1:02:56
Speaker 8: you know, just because he's not like the type of
1:03:00
Speaker 8: that I'm attracted too. I can recognize that she might
1:03:03
Speaker 8: find him attractive, like people find him attractive. So I'm
1:03:05
Speaker 8: not saying it like that. He just seems like a
1:03:07
Speaker 8: player to me, like somebody who just thinks like everything.
1:03:10
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:03:11
Speaker 8: So that's why I was like, I feel like you
1:03:12
Speaker 8: could do better than this guy. Like he wasn't even talking,
1:03:15
Speaker 8: like let's move into the direction of like being in
1:03:17
Speaker 8: a relationship. Like I mean, he did try to say
1:03:19
Speaker 8: like you don't give girlfriend, you give wife, whatever that
1:03:23
Speaker 8: means in the words, why did.
1:03:24
Speaker 2: It make sense for him and hitting with the friends
1:03:25
Speaker 2: of benefits? I'm like, black, do you kind of hurt
1:03:27
Speaker 2: your girl by doing that? Like if he was coming
1:03:29
Speaker 2: here to give her a solid like you know, you
1:03:31
Speaker 2: gotta bring a love and song. We get it, but
1:03:33
Speaker 2: don't come on here and ask me to be friends
1:03:34
Speaker 2: with benefits. Come on in and say, let's take it slow,
1:03:37
Speaker 2: let's see where this goes. I would be mad if
1:03:39
Speaker 2: I won hit me with the friends of benefits saying
1:03:40
Speaker 2: I feel like it's kind of giving me, like it's
1:03:42
Speaker 2: helping with.
1:03:43
Speaker 6: The whole you don't know it's given, Like I don't
1:03:44
Speaker 6: take you seriously.
1:03:46
Speaker 9: Come on, Remember Mia had that man who was still
1:03:49
Speaker 9: with her when she was married. Maybe he saw Mia
1:03:52
Speaker 9: and her side piece and wanted to be clear, you're
1:03:55
Speaker 9: still married, and if I see you as a wife,
1:03:58
Speaker 9: I can't be a husband until your first husbands out
1:03:59
Speaker 9: the way he did say that it felt more like
1:04:02
Speaker 9: he did not want to be seen like MIA's sideboy
1:04:07
Speaker 9: and wanted to be like, hey, just to be clear,
1:04:09
Speaker 9: why you're still married, we can't be anything. I can't
1:04:11
Speaker 9: see I see you as a wife, but I can't
1:04:13
Speaker 9: be a husband while you currently have a husband.
1:04:14
Speaker 7: Take care of that. But until then, can I give
1:04:16
Speaker 7: you some benefits I would like to.
1:04:19
Speaker 8: I don't want to be but I still want to
1:04:22
Speaker 8: have sex with you even if you're still married.
1:04:24
Speaker 7: Like please, I don't want to do that.
1:04:27
Speaker 4: Okay, So Drew, we want you to go on another
1:04:30
Speaker 4: day and listen. Like Claudia said, Black is successful, it's
1:04:32
Speaker 4: not about Black. It's more about he gives play a
1:04:35
Speaker 4: vibes the open shirt.
1:04:37
Speaker 5: It was giving music video. It wasn't giving a real scene.
1:04:39
Speaker 5: It was giving I'm on the land of housewives and
1:04:42
Speaker 5: I'm about to show off. That's that's what I got
1:04:44
Speaker 5: from it. All good. Last of the night is Keim,
1:04:48
Speaker 5: Michelle and Porsche did meet up. I know we ran
1:04:50
Speaker 5: through this.
1:04:51
Speaker 4: I just want to ask you, ladies, what did y'all
1:04:54
Speaker 4: think about the apology Porsche gave only for Cay Michelle
1:04:58
Speaker 4: to say and her confessional that.
1:05:03
Speaker 5: She still doesn't buy it.
1:05:09
Speaker 6: I'll take it.
1:05:10
Speaker 5: I what that means.
1:05:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever, whatever that means.
1:05:16
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like I said, I feel like Kay is gonna
1:05:19
Speaker 8: kind of drag this out. Kay Michelle might drag this
1:05:21
Speaker 8: out until she gets into another conflict that she can
1:05:24
Speaker 8: then like jump into, because I think in her mind,
1:05:27
Speaker 8: she thinks that's the role that she's on this show
1:05:30
Speaker 8: to play. So I don't think this is the last
1:05:32
Speaker 8: that we've heard of with this issue from Kate Michelle specifically,
1:05:35
Speaker 8: But it didn't seem like they've made up at the
1:05:38
Speaker 8: at the lunch that they had, which I thought was
1:05:39
Speaker 8: a really cute scene at the end. But yeah, I
1:05:41
Speaker 8: think Michell is gonna kind of hang on to this
1:05:43
Speaker 8: and be offended by it until she has something else
1:05:45
Speaker 8: to be offended by, and then she'll she'll go and
1:05:47
Speaker 8: do that.
1:05:48
Speaker 9: Then I hope something else happens in the next episode
1:05:50
Speaker 9: because I can't do another episode of this. I pray
1:05:53
Speaker 9: to God that Drew drops a drink or whatever the
1:05:54
Speaker 9: hell's supposed to happen, because I can't do another scene
1:05:57
Speaker 9: of y'all making me defend Portie no offense boorship, but
1:06:01
Speaker 9: come on, this is exhausting and I will say this.
1:06:03
Speaker 9: Ky Michelle made that comment about y'all so nice in
1:06:05
Speaker 9: the premiere as well. This is actually the second time
1:06:08
Speaker 9: she's made a quip on like subconsciously about how am
1:06:11
Speaker 9: I supposed to fight y'allf y'all being so nice? It's
1:06:14
Speaker 9: now come up twice in three episodes. I ky Michelle
1:06:18
Speaker 9: is a star on a bad day. Ky Michelle is
1:06:20
Speaker 9: better than most, so I'm not worried about her performance
1:06:23
Speaker 9: this season. I just hope we see her pull a
1:06:25
Speaker 9: pinky and just give it to us without all the thinking.
1:06:29
Speaker 9: I want to see her a little bit more uninhibited,
1:06:32
Speaker 9: and also too because ky Michelle and Porsche are having
1:06:35
Speaker 9: this weird moment and Porsche was supposed to be her nice,
1:06:38
Speaker 9: nasty friend from the premiere. I'm just wondering, is Cynthia
1:06:42
Speaker 9: and k Michelle and Pinky gonna be a trio? Like
1:06:45
Speaker 9: I'm curious who her girl squad is because she has
1:06:48
Speaker 9: such pain around female friendships. I don't want to see
1:06:50
Speaker 9: ky Michelle feel like it's the world against her the
1:06:52
Speaker 9: entire season.
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Speaker 7: That would actually break my heart and be a waste.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it won't be, because honestly, I feel
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Speaker 2: like a lot of the niceness the girls are showing
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Speaker 2: the ca Michelle's because they're all they're afraid of her,
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Speaker 2: including Porsche. I do think they're afraid of I think
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Speaker 2: you're right now. I think you're really afraid of her
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Speaker 2: and so. And I also think ky Michelle is saying, wow,
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Speaker 2: they were really nice, because she's coming from how hard
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Speaker 2: it was on Love and Hip Hop. One of the
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Speaker 2: things I talked about. I think you coming from that,
1:07:14
Speaker 2: like you're on ten, You're coming to like a seven.
1:07:16
Speaker 2: You're like, oh my god, oh wow, we actually have
1:07:17
Speaker 2: a scene. We can actually hug it out. But I
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Speaker 2: do think that was good for them that, Like you know,
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Speaker 2: I do like that Porsha did apologize her and that
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Speaker 2: did feel sincere what she did at that moment. I
1:07:27
Speaker 2: did like that because I do don't want don't want
1:07:30
Speaker 2: this to be dragged out. Unless we see more evidence
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Speaker 2: that it was on some mean girls ship, then that's
1:07:36
Speaker 2: one thing. But if it really wasn't, then y'all are
1:07:38
Speaker 2: right it was just like some no divergent shit, then fine,
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Speaker 2: I'll go with that, okay. And I want them because
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Speaker 2: I do enjoy the scenes when they are key king
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Speaker 2: and having fun. I think it's cute, and I think
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Speaker 2: it's needed after all the years of all after the
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Speaker 2: brit eaty of it all, and how contentious things were
1:07:53
Speaker 2: getting last season. Like I want to see the girl's
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Speaker 2: key king having fun and making jokes.
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Speaker 6: I think we the world needs more of that in
1:08:00
Speaker 6: these shows.
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Speaker 2: So if she's Kis and it's real, I want that
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Speaker 2: to be the case because those two together could be funny,
1:08:09
Speaker 2: because we're gonna need more than Porscha, than.
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Speaker 6: Just dating different people every season.
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Speaker 2: It needs to be like and Porscha has the personality
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Speaker 2: to bring a lot of funny to the show. She
1:08:18
Speaker 2: has That's what made it so and Darian and I
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Speaker 2: want to get back to that, not just like, you know,
1:08:23
Speaker 2: just denying shit.
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