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The Kenny Report | 10 December · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight. Anthony Albanese. He finally turns
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Speaker 1: up at the Adas Synagogue, the terror attack site, but
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Speaker 1: doesn't take questions. I'll show you how the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: is failing his own criteria for leadership. Interest rates remain
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Speaker 1: on hold again, but hopes lift for a rate cut
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Speaker 1: early next year. The nuclear energy debate. The coalition says
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Speaker 1: it'll be cheaper than the Labor, Greens and Tills plan.
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Speaker 1: Who's the Person of the Year. Time magazine has Kamala
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Speaker 1: Harris in the running across the Tristan tit in the US,
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Speaker 1: all that lots more, plus Tim Blair, Sus O'Brien and
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Speaker 1: Stephen Senna Tempe. Let's get cracking. We have a prime
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Speaker 1: minister in this country, of course, but we don't have
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Speaker 1: a leader of detailed the gradual diminution of Anthony Albani.
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Speaker 1: He since his election, his failures took a while to
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Speaker 1: build momentum, but then his abysmal failures started to mount
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Speaker 1: and voters are increasingly realizing that he's not up to
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Speaker 1: the job. He started cow telling to China. He mangled
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Speaker 1: the voice. He's spent wildly fueling inflation and keeping interest
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Speaker 1: rates higher for longer. He's doubled down on his national
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Speaker 1: energy self harm. He's given more power to the unions,
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Speaker 1: and he's been pathetic and divisive on Israel and anti Semitism.
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Speaker 1: On this program, I've asked the pointed question, what is
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Speaker 1: the point of Albo? What on earth is he even
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Speaker 1: attempting to do? And I've pointed out that he never
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Speaker 1: takes responsibility for anything, always ducks responsibility. So it was
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Speaker 1: true to form my guess when he turned up at
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Speaker 1: the Ad Synagogue in suburban Melbourne today, more than four
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Speaker 1: days after it was firebombed. It was the day after
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Speaker 1: the Opposition leader Peter Dutton had been there, just as
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Speaker 1: Albo called it a terrorist attack only after the Opposition did,
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Speaker 1: and just like Alba established a special police task force
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Speaker 1: on anti Semitism only after the Opposition announced it would
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Speaker 1: do so. Albo is not a leader, He's a follow up. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: he eventually turned up at the scene today.
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Speaker 2: This arson attack is an act of terrorism that was
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Speaker 2: fueled by anti Semitism, and.
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Speaker 1: It was stoked by hatred.
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Speaker 2: Where a country that needs to come together in unite.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, labour knows the word unite, but it's not been
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Speaker 1: good at fostering unity. Just listened as some of the
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Speaker 1: crowd as Albanezi refuses to take any questions before leaving
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Speaker 1: the synagogue.
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Speaker 3: About yes they was a que.
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Speaker 1: Yeah you're late and you let this happen, buddy. Not
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Speaker 1: the response the Prime Minister wanted, but hardly unexpected. This
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Speaker 1: manifestation of hatred has torn apart that community and it's
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Speaker 1: horrified the nation since last Friday morning, and only now
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Speaker 1: did the Prime Minister turn up. This performance has become
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Speaker 1: typical of alban We all know how he had time
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Speaker 1: for tennis in Perth on Saturday when he could have
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Speaker 1: been heading to Melbourne. And this only reminds us, of course,
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Speaker 1: of how last year, during the ongoing crime crisis in
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Speaker 1: Alice Springs, alb eventually visited the territory town for a
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Speaker 1: few hours, but he'd spent many hours over three days
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Speaker 1: taking in the Australian Open tennis in Melbourne. No prime
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Speaker 1: minister could be in more than one place at once,
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Speaker 1: but they do have to juggle priorities daily and Albert
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Speaker 1: easy promised something very different to what he's delivered.
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Speaker 2: Never before has Australia had a Prime minister with such
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Speaker 2: a pathological determination to avoid responsibility. He declares, it's not
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Speaker 2: my job, it's not a race, it's a matter for
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Speaker 2: the states. He doesn't hold a hose and he doesn't
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Speaker 2: give a rats. Every action, every decision has to be
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Speaker 2: dragged out of him, and so often, after all of
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Speaker 2: the build up, he gets it wrong anyway, and it's
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Speaker 2: always always too little and always too late.
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Speaker 1: Reminder, he was talking about Scott Morrison there. Albo wasn't
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Speaker 1: talking about himself. But he could just have well have been,
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Speaker 1: couldn't he. Albo doesn't really know how to lead, does he.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't know which issues or which events require the
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Speaker 1: authority and the impromacha of the Prime ministership, or in
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Speaker 1: what way the Australian Jewish community is suffering over the
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Speaker 1: past fourteen months simply hasn't been a high enough priority
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Speaker 1: for Albanezi. It's a situation that's demanded strong leadership, showing
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Speaker 1: the community what will not be tolerated, providing a lead
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Speaker 1: to law enforcement agencies, and delivering unity through strength, emphasizing
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Speaker 1: national values. This stuff just isn't in Albo's DNA. He's
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Speaker 1: not a leader he's a protester. Remember he said he
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Speaker 1: likes to fight Tories for crying out loud. In fact,
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Speaker 1: as a young bloke, he used to be in those
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Speaker 1: protesting mobs shouting aggressive slogan against Israel. Now he doesn't
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Speaker 1: know what to do. Since the day after the October
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Speaker 1: seven atrocities, in Israel's last year, we've seen hatred on
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Speaker 1: our streets, anti Semitism raising its ugly head, and Labor
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Speaker 1: and Albanesi have done next to nothing, and Albanesi Labour's
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Speaker 1: constant criticism of Israel has only encouraged the haters. Foreign
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Speaker 1: Minister Penny Wong has been added again defending her criticism
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Speaker 1: of Israel.
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Speaker 4: We expect Russia to bid by international law and end
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Speaker 4: it's illegal and full scale war on Ukraine. We expect
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Speaker 4: China to buy by international legal decisions in the South
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Speaker 4: China see we expect Israel to bye by international law.
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Speaker 1: This is a terrible argument for all sorts of reasons.
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Speaker 1: Let's start by asking how often Wog and Albanesi slam
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Speaker 1: China over its constant breaches of viti national law. They
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Speaker 1: spend their days groveling to Beijing. Remember Albanese once delayed
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Speaker 1: talking about a sonar attack on our sailors, So he
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Speaker 1: didn't embarrass China. And what about Russia? How much energy
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Speaker 1: do Wong and Albanese he put into criticizing Russia. Russia
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Speaker 1: and China subvert the international rules based order daily, and
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Speaker 1: Wog and Albanesi spend more time criticizing Israel. In fact,
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Speaker 1: labor has broken with the United States and sided with
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Speaker 1: Russia and with China against Israel. And which international laws
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Speaker 1: do Wong and Albanesi want Israel to abide by? That've
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Speaker 1: called for Israel to leave the occupied territories, But they
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Speaker 1: must know that Israel withdrew from Gaza in two thousand
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Speaker 1: and five. So after nearly two decades without Israeli occupation
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Speaker 1: and receiving tens of billions of dollars of foreign aid,
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Speaker 1: what did Hamas do with all that? How did that
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Speaker 1: work out for Israel? Deal in reality? Please? And if
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Speaker 1: Wong's going to speak about international law, why isn't she
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Speaker 1: highlighting the war crime of taking hostages men, women, and children,
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Speaker 1: even babies taken as hostages by Hamas still held in
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Speaker 1: Gaza more than four hundred and thirty days on a
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Speaker 1: war crime repeated every day and Instead of demanding Hamas
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Speaker 1: abide by the law, abide by common decency, Wong throws
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Speaker 1: her lot in with the clearly politicized and compromised version
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Speaker 1: of international law that the United Nations types like to
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Speaker 1: cite against Israel. Look, our government has shamed our nation
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Speaker 1: with its stand on the Middle East, and it's imperiled
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Speaker 1: our citizens and our society by the hatred it has
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Speaker 1: allowed to fester. It's done far too little, way too
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Speaker 1: late to stem this tide of due hatred and quell
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Speaker 1: the Islamist extremist hatred. It's dividing our country like never before.
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Speaker 1: And Albo doesn't know what to do or say because
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Speaker 1: he's preoccupied with politics over conviction. When it comes to
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Speaker 1: the nuclear debate, the Green left are running out of arguments. Labor,
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Speaker 1: the Greens, the Tills, they're all the same, different colors
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Speaker 1: for the same ideological approach. Remember they went with the
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Speaker 1: three eyed fish nonsense, the old fashioned nuclear scare campaigns
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Speaker 1: about mutations and safety fears. But they soon realize that
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Speaker 1: people aren't that dumb. So lately they've started to focus
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Speaker 1: on costs, which is logical, but it's a bit self
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Speaker 1: defeating because the renewables plus transmission and storage experiment that Labor,
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Speaker 1: the Greens and the tills favor is costing us anything
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Speaker 1: up to one thousand billion dollars and as we all know,
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Speaker 1: is forcing prices up to unprecedented levels and jeopardizing secure supplies.
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Speaker 1: But costs it is, and in a debate on the
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Speaker 1: issue last night, that's where the ABC of course wanted
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Speaker 1: to start.
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Speaker 5: My question to you was you're expecting your costings, how
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Speaker 5: much will they differ from CSIRO and AMO costings?
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Speaker 1: Fair enough? Reasonable question? And that toing and throwing over
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Speaker 1: costs went on for a while. But look what happened
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Speaker 1: later in the interview in the debate when Ted O'Brien
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Speaker 1: wanted to focus on Labour's costs.
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Speaker 6: The real cost of his plan is well over six
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Speaker 6: hundred and forty billion, five times.
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Speaker 5: Let's not go down that path because I want, oh,
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Speaker 5: well what is it, Chris, Well, let's not get it.
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Speaker 5: Let's not into that because that's the.
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Speaker 1: Audience. Ah, lose the audience, A or lose the argument.
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Speaker 1: The Coalition is set to release its costings within days,
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Speaker 1: but already it's claiming that they will be lower than
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Speaker 1: Labour's renewables plus transmission and storage plan.
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Speaker 6: The plan under Labor will cost will cost six hundred
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Speaker 6: the plan four under the coalition six hundred and forty
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Speaker 6: billion dollars for just the them on the East Coast
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Speaker 6: for storage, transmission and generation energy. And I can assure
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Speaker 6: you that our balanced energy mix, which includes zero missions
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Speaker 6: nuclear energy, will come in cheaper.
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Speaker 1: Let the debate continue. Hey, but just yesterday we had
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Speaker 1: another line of attack from Labor. Have a look at this.
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Speaker 7: Basically, every expert in the world thinks that the opposition's
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Speaker 7: plans are wildly realistic, wildly optimistic.
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Speaker 8: I should say, nuclear is the most expensive form of
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Speaker 8: power and it won't be available for twenty years. And
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Speaker 8: every expert agrees with that. The only person who doesn't
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Speaker 8: agree is Barnaby Joyce.
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Speaker 1: Every expert they can't be serious. To quote John McEnroe.
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Speaker 1: More than thirty of the world's largest countries, including the US,
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Speaker 1: the UK, China, Japan, France, Canada and the list goes on. Well,
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Speaker 1: they've pledged to triple their nuclear energy output. Those countries
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Speaker 1: are all full of experts who endorse Australia's approach, and
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Speaker 1: all Bowen then Plebasek have to do is flick on
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Speaker 1: this program most nights of the week, they can hear
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Speaker 1: a bunch of homegrown experts who are often bullish on
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Speaker 1: the technology, on the need, on the doability, and on
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Speaker 1: the cost of nuclear.
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Speaker 9: I don't think that we have seen a fair assessment
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Speaker 9: of an apples to apples comparison.
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Speaker 10: Yet certainly the gen Cost Report doesn't do that.
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Speaker 11: So the cost argument is a crazy one. This is
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Speaker 11: a plant that you're going to build for sixty years
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Speaker 11: and probably relcense for eighty years. You've got twenty five
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Speaker 11: years in a wind turbine if you're lucky and the
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Speaker 11: blades don't fall off.
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Speaker 12: The economics of nuclear are different, and we need to
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Speaker 12: take that in to account. Its operational costs are low,
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Speaker 12: Its power plant life cycle is really long. You're looking
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Speaker 12: at eighty plus years for these modern reactors.
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Speaker 1: The nuclear debate and therefore the energy debate, will remain
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Speaker 1: front and center now right up to election day. Bring
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Speaker 1: it on, I say, because if there's one thing that
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Speaker 1: this country, any modern country for that matter, anything that
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Speaker 1: the country needs to underpin its economy and its lifestyle, well,
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Speaker 1: of course, it's plentiful, reliable and affordable energy. Our national
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Speaker 1: energy self harm must end. Let's now go to a
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Speaker 1: Liberal MP. Juty and Lisa joining us live in Sydney.
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Speaker 1: Good to speak to you, Julian. First up, I want
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Speaker 1: to ask you about your neighbor in the neighboring electorate
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Speaker 1: has just announced that he's not contesting the next election.
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Speaker 1: Has this taken you by surprise? Is the leader of
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Speaker 1: opposition Business for Growing out loud Well Chris.
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Speaker 7: I regard Paul Fletcher as my big brother in politics.
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Speaker 7: He's been a great friend to me, a great colleague.
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Speaker 7: He's served our party, our local community and also the
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Speaker 7: country with great distinction over the period he has been minister.
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Speaker 7: I've worked hard with him on improving Telco in my electorate.
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Speaker 7: We've worked very hard in relation to approving traffic in
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Speaker 7: the area and he was very much responsible for the
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Speaker 7: delivery of North Connects, which has taken six thousand trucks
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Speaker 7: off Penn and Hill's Road.
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Speaker 13: He's had a wonderful career and it's his right to determine.
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Speaker 1: Sure as sure is. He's one of the leading moderates though,
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Speaker 1: like Simon Birmingham. So you've got two front benches leading
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Speaker 1: moderates bailing out of this election. It doesn't look good
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Speaker 1: for the coal Is should have suggest that they don't
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Speaker 1: think that you're going to win the election.
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Speaker 13: I don't believe it suggests that at all, Chris.
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Speaker 7: I think Simon Birmingham and Paul Fletcher wouldn't be going
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Speaker 7: if they thought we had a fight on our hands
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Speaker 7: at the moment.
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Speaker 13: Paul Fletcher's never run away from a fight.
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Speaker 7: When he first got elected, he faced a difficult by
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Speaker 7: election in difficult circumstances. I think the fact that he's
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Speaker 7: going in is an indication of the fact that he's
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Speaker 7: confident that we will retain his seat and that we've
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Speaker 7: got a good chance of coming to government under Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 7: And frankly, we need to come to government under Peter
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Speaker 7: Dutton because every Australian is worse off than they were
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Speaker 7: three years ago, whether it's the cost of energy, the
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Speaker 7: cost of grocery, is the cost of fuel, or the
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Speaker 7: terrible lawlessness that we're seeing all across the country today.
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Speaker 7: Australia needs a government led by Peter Dutton to restore
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Speaker 7: the sort of way of life that we've experienced previously
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Speaker 7: and get the country back on track.
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Speaker 1: Now last week, last week on this program, you were
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Speaker 1: very strong against Labor and its front benches in Mark
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Speaker 1: Dreyfus and Richard Miles. When it comes to what's happening
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Speaker 1: with Israel and anti Semitism at home. You must have
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Speaker 1: been shocked by the response to the synagogue fire in
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Speaker 1: Melbourne on Friday. I just want to show you some
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Speaker 1: pictures now of a protest that we showed yesterday. It
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Speaker 1: was in the streets of London on Sunday where thirty
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Speaker 1: thousand or more people protested against andy Semitism, supporting Israel
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Speaker 1: and protesting against this kind of hatred. We had a
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Speaker 1: similar rally in Sydney. It's way back in February now,
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Speaker 1: but a lot of people gathered at the Domain in
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Speaker 1: Sydney to express solidarity with the Jewish community. You were there,
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Speaker 1: I bumped into you there and others spoke there. Do
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Speaker 1: we need to see more of this because it's the
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Speaker 1: noisy extremists, the haters of Israel we see all the time.
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Speaker 1: Do we need to see more public expressions of solidarity
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Speaker 1: with Jewish Australians.
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Speaker 7: Well, Chris, I think this is a wonderful country and
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Speaker 7: I know the vast majority of Australians are very firmly
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Speaker 7: with the Jewish community. What they're seeing in Australia today
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Speaker 7: doesn't represent the Australia that they want or that they recognize,
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Speaker 7: and they see a government that has sat on its hands.
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Speaker 7: And I know this is the view of the majority
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Speaker 7: of Australians because this is a very busy time of year.
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Speaker 7: I'm gained lots of school presentations, got lots of Christmas carols.
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Speaker 13: Even when I'm into State or just going around.
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Speaker 7: The streets, people stop me all the time and saying
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Speaker 7: thank you for standing up against this dreadful anti semitism.
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Speaker 13: This is not what our country's about.
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Speaker 7: We don't like it, and we're with you, and we're
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Speaker 7: with the Jewish community at this time, and that is
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Speaker 7: overwhelmingly the sentiment that I'm seeing.
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Speaker 13: So I want to applaud the people who are involved.
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Speaker 7: In organizations like Never Again is Now for the many
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Speaker 7: rallies that they've had across the country. I was honored
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Speaker 7: to speak at the rally in Sydney. I'd love to
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Speaker 7: speak again for them, and I know there are many
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Speaker 7: decent Australians who are looking for ways to show solidarity.
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Speaker 7: Let me suggest one thing that people can do Christmas
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Speaker 7: and Hannah for on exactly the same day this year.
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Speaker 7: It's for the first time that I can remember in
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Speaker 7: a long time. I want to encourage people to put
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Speaker 7: a candle in their window at Christmas time, a candle
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Speaker 7: to celebrate Hanikah with Jewish Australians. They don't have to
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Speaker 7: have a honak here, but if they put a candle
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Speaker 7: in their window and their Christmas window, it's a way
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Speaker 7: of showing solidarity. I think that's a small thing that
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Speaker 7: people can do. But I know Australians are very much
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Speaker 7: with the Jewish community as they're with other communities that
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Speaker 7: plays unfair treatment from time to time, because that's the
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Speaker 7: Australian way.
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Speaker 1: I do think you're right, Julian Lisa, thanks so much
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Speaker 1: for joining us. I appreciate it, and happy Huniker and
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Speaker 1: Christmas season to you. Julian Lisa. There, I think he's
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Speaker 1: right when he talks about the overwhelm overwhelming majority of
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Speaker 1: the Australian community supporting the Israeli community here and hating
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Speaker 1: the sort of division we're seeing. But it's good to
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Speaker 1: show it every now and then. I show it with
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Speaker 1: this badge because of the hostages, but a candle for
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Speaker 1: Hanukah as well as was this season. You've heard that idea.
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Speaker 1: Let's hope people reflect that in their own neighborhoods. Now,
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Speaker 1: there's no relief for mortgage holders today with the Reserve
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Speaker 1: Bank living rates on hold again at four point three
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Speaker 1: five percent. Of course, most people paying much more than
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Speaker 1: that on their mortgages. University of New South Wales economics
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Speaker 1: professor Gigi Foster now joins me also in Sydney. Good
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Speaker 1: to speak to you again, Gigi. This is exactly the
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Speaker 1: outcome we expected, but there was some language from the
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Speaker 1: Reserve Bank that is encouraging some people that think we
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Speaker 1: could even have an interest rate cut by February. What's
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Speaker 1: your assessment.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I do think that that's possible.
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Speaker 14: But honestly, if I were in Michelle Bullock's shoes, I
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Speaker 14: think the number one thing I'd be looking for is
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Speaker 14: a bit of partnership rather than politicking across the aisle
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Speaker 14: in the fiscal policy to mension. Because every time that
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Speaker 14: we hear the Governance of the day other than the
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Speaker 14: RBA talking about what can be done in relation to
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Speaker 14: the massive cost of living crisis, the housing affordability crisis,
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Speaker 14: the energy issues, it's always, oh, let the government now
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Speaker 14: propose this new package or this new big spending thing,
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Speaker 14: and I don't think that's really addressing the structural issues
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Speaker 14: of the economy. So I think Michelle Bullock is waiting
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Speaker 14: for some signals that the government is going to start
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Speaker 14: actually doing more of the heavy lifting and trying to
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Speaker 14: bring this inflation problem down.
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Speaker 1: All right, let me show you some of what Michelle
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Speaker 1: Bullock had to say today before we take up that point.
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Speaker 15: When I speak to the Treasurer, I believe him when
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Speaker 15: he tells me that he is absolutely on the same
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Speaker 15: page because he understands like I do, and I think,
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Speaker 15: like all of you do, that inflation is really what's
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Speaker 15: causing so many troubles for Australian people at the moment.
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Speaker 1: So, Judy, she's saying that they're really on the same page.
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Speaker 1: But if I understand your point, she should be talking
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Speaker 1: more stridently demanding more action from the government in constraining
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Speaker 1: expenditure to make her job easier.
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Speaker 14: That's what I think, yes, And I think that the
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Speaker 14: reason she's pitching it this way is she doesn't want
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Speaker 14: to be picking a fight. Many people have been picking
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Speaker 14: a fight with her, and you know, of course, one
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Speaker 14: can lay some of the blame at the feet of
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Speaker 14: the RBA for not starting to raise interest rates earlier
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Speaker 14: a couple of years ago. But I think now she
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Speaker 14: is struggling, just like the rest of us are, to
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Speaker 14: make sense of some unusual figures in the labor market
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Speaker 14: and in terms of what's happening in the economy, and
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Speaker 14: trying to work out when we really are at the
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Speaker 14: point where the economy can maintain a rates cut and
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Speaker 14: not have inflation continue to go up and basically get
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Speaker 14: baked in. Her fear, of course, is that is already
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Speaker 14: baked into an extent, So I think she's trying to
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Speaker 14: be conciliatory, and it's more of an aspirational statement than reality.
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Speaker 1: If you talk about the fiscal side of this. So
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Speaker 1: we're unlikely to see any constraint there's an election coming,
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Speaker 1: maybe even a budget before an election, I suspect not,
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Speaker 1: but possibly a budget. So we're expecting to see more
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Speaker 1: spending measures rather than fewer from Libry, aren't we.
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Speaker 14: It's very unfortunate, yes, And I think they could pitch
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Speaker 14: a different political tack if they wanted to. I mean,
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Speaker 14: I always sit on my hands and sort of wait
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Speaker 14: for the phone to ring, but I would love to
22:11
Speaker 14: be able to give some advice to the politicians in Canberra.
22:15
Speaker 14: You can spin a different way of approaching problems in
22:18
Speaker 14: a positive way that Australians will appreciate. You can you
22:21
Speaker 14: can recognize the productivity slump, you can recognize the overregulation,
22:25
Speaker 14: and you can do things about that. You can say, look,
22:27
Speaker 14: we're going to roll back some spending in areas where
22:29
Speaker 14: we know there's government waste. We've seen the Doge initiative
22:33
Speaker 14: coming down the track and the US we think that
22:35
Speaker 14: has something you know to it. So how about looking
22:38
Speaker 14: for some ways that the government can again shoulder some
22:41
Speaker 14: of the burden in increasing productivity and reducing waste so
22:45
Speaker 14: that we can all have lower inflation and a higher
22:47
Speaker 14: quality of life. I'd love to see that, and that
22:49
Speaker 14: would actually make me more likely to consider, you know,
22:53
Speaker 14: maybe even voting. I don't know if I would vote
22:55
Speaker 14: for them, you know, maybe just at least thinking well,
22:58
Speaker 14: maybe there's some hope from this side of politics.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we want to see it. We should see it
23:02
Speaker 1: from both sides of politics, and neither side have really
23:04
Speaker 1: shown it in the last little while. And it's inevitable
23:07
Speaker 1: the government's going to have to pull back it's a
23:09
Speaker 1: matter of whether you do it on your own volition
23:12
Speaker 1: in an orderly way, rather than wait for a crisis.
23:15
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Ggy, I always love getting your input.
23:17
Speaker 1: Gigi Foster. They have a great Christmas, a new year.
23:20
Speaker 1: We won't see Giggy again until the new year, but
23:22
Speaker 1: she always talks sense. Governments are going to show some toughness,
23:27
Speaker 1: take some tough decisions, constrain this spending. Coming up after
23:30
Speaker 1: the break, we'll get back into the nuclear debate. We'll
23:33
Speaker 1: find a nuclear energy expert, labor reckons, none of them
23:36
Speaker 1: agree with nuclear for Australia. Will find one and ask
23:39
Speaker 1: her the question. Now, as I mentioned at the top
23:47
Speaker 1: of the show, the nuclear debate is going to remain
23:49
Speaker 1: front and seter senter right up to election day. The
23:52
Speaker 1: Coalition is expected to release the cost things for its
23:55
Speaker 1: nuclear policy this week or early next, but the CSIRA
23:59
Speaker 1: has already been out saying it's too expensive and it's
24:01
Speaker 1: going to take too long. Let me bring in Jasmine
24:04
Speaker 1: Dab from the Global Nuclear Security Partners Australia organization joins
24:09
Speaker 1: us live from Perth. Thanks for joining us again, Jasmine.
24:13
Speaker 1: What did you make of the latest assessment from the
24:16
Speaker 1: CSIRO and the Electricity Market Operator the gen Cost report.
24:22
Speaker 16: Look great to be back with you, Chris.
24:25
Speaker 12: I guess up front, it is good to see CSIRO
24:29
Speaker 12: include nuclear both large scale and small scale in their report,
24:33
Speaker 12: but they still do have a fair few flawed assumptions,
24:36
Speaker 12: and predominantly because they have not engaged nuclear experts that
24:40
Speaker 12: are able to give them the right figures to help
24:43
Speaker 12: with their modeling.
24:44
Speaker 16: Now.
24:44
Speaker 12: I know this is hard for them because it is
24:47
Speaker 12: currently illegal to generate energy from a nuclear power plant,
24:50
Speaker 12: which means a lot of our great minds in the
24:53
Speaker 12: nuclear sector that working government have their hands tied behind
24:57
Speaker 12: their back. But three of the big flowed assumptions I've
25:00
Speaker 12: think they've made there are still around the operational lifetime
25:04
Speaker 12: of a nuclear power plant. The IAEA, the International Atomic
25:08
Speaker 12: Energy Agency, a part of the United Nations, recognizes nuclear
25:12
Speaker 12: power plants have a licensed expectancy for sixty to eighty years,
25:17
Speaker 12: so shortening that just for a gen cost model isn't
25:21
Speaker 12: doing themselves any favors. The other flawed assumption is in
25:26
Speaker 12: the capacity factor of nuclear power plants. They've taken a
25:29
Speaker 12: bracket between fifty to eighty percent. I understand the reasons
25:33
Speaker 12: why they didn't go with the US ninety percent capacity factor.
25:37
Speaker 12: The world average sits at about eighty one. Australia's research
25:41
Speaker 12: reactor since at about eighty two percent capacity factor, so
25:44
Speaker 12: utilizing that and not taking the extreme bottom again skews
25:49
Speaker 12: the numbers here. So I think that there's there's a
25:53
Speaker 12: lot of flawed assumptions here and we've got a ways
25:55
Speaker 12: that they need to go. But the other part with
25:58
Speaker 12: gen cost is it's not explaining to us what the
26:01
Speaker 12: cost of electricity will be to us at the meter
26:04
Speaker 12: or at the PowerPoint. It's telling developers how much it
26:07
Speaker 12: will cost for upfront capital to build something to produce electricity.
26:12
Speaker 12: And so I think how it's being messaged to the
26:15
Speaker 12: Australian public isn't quite fair either, saying nuclear is the
26:19
Speaker 12: most expensive when capital We know capital costs a nuclear
26:23
Speaker 12: are high, but it's not giving us the reflection of
26:25
Speaker 12: the full system cost and what that would look like
26:28
Speaker 12: for households in Australia and what we pay in our
26:31
Speaker 12: energy bills.
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Speaker 1: Well, especially when our energy bills at home are made
26:34
Speaker 1: up A huge chunk of them are made up through
26:36
Speaker 1: transmission and distribution. Now you'll need that distribution with nuclear energy,
26:40
Speaker 1: but you need much less transmission. I mean to keep
26:44
Speaker 1: going down there renewables transmission and storage model. There's an
26:47
Speaker 1: extra ten thousand kilometers at least of transmission. And people
26:52
Speaker 1: need to understand that they are regulated assets. That means
26:54
Speaker 1: whoever builds them gets a regulated rate of return. They're
26:57
Speaker 1: going to make a profit on every election troad that
27:00
Speaker 1: goes through there. So that's an advantage for nuclear that
27:03
Speaker 1: they don't really cost in there. And the other point
27:06
Speaker 1: you made about the fact that we don't have experts,
27:10
Speaker 1: they can't properly contribute because it's illegal to have nuclear energy. Now,
27:15
Speaker 1: Ted O'Brien made this point last night where he said
27:17
Speaker 1: that you know, if the government's confident about nuclear not
27:20
Speaker 1: being an option, then why haven't regulated out of existence.
27:23
Speaker 6: Have a look, if you're so confident, minister, that nuclear
27:28
Speaker 6: energy will not work in Australia, why don't you agree
27:31
Speaker 6: to lift the moratory stop making it.
27:33
Speaker 1: Illegal, straightforward point, get rid of the ban and then
27:36
Speaker 1: the market and the experts can work out exactly what's
27:40
Speaker 1: going to work. And on the idea of experts. Chasman
27:43
Speaker 1: tell me about this because Chris Bowen and Tanya Plipasek
27:46
Speaker 1: have been out there saying there's no experts around the world.
27:49
Speaker 1: There are no experts who backed the idea of domestic
27:53
Speaker 1: nuclear energy for Australia. Do you know an experts who
27:56
Speaker 1: think it would be a good and viable idea?
28:00
Speaker 12: I know many, and I engage quite heavily with international
28:04
Speaker 12: nuclear professionals from all different kinds of countries, and the
28:08
Speaker 12: question they ask me all the time is why is
28:10
Speaker 12: Australia not going nuclear? You have the most seismically stable
28:14
Speaker 12: country which can deal with any kind of weather event
28:18
Speaker 12: in a really great way. We have so much land
28:21
Speaker 12: that we can use to safely and securely dispose waste.
28:25
Speaker 12: Plus we have an amazing workforce that can up skill
28:27
Speaker 12: and reskill quickly. We are a perfect test case to
28:31
Speaker 12: start nuclear power and energy. So I don't know who
28:33
Speaker 12: the government has been talking to in the international nuclear community,
28:37
Speaker 12: but it is not the people I engage with on
28:39
Speaker 12: a daily basis.
28:41
Speaker 1: Great to talk to you again, Jasmine, Thanks so much,
28:45
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jasmin d up there with Global Nuclear Security
28:48
Speaker 1: Partners Australia. I tell you what, there's plenty of experts around.
28:53
Speaker 1: Just get rid of the band and focus on it.
28:55
Speaker 1: The right way. Hey, Now after the breaking, going to
28:57
Speaker 1: catch up with Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph. I'm
29:00
Speaker 1: going to talk about Greta Tunberg's foul mouthed outburst raising
29:03
Speaker 1: eyebrows around the world. Let's catch up with Tim Blair
29:11
Speaker 1: from the Daily Telegraph. He's come to the Big Smoke today,
29:14
Speaker 1: he joins us from Sydney. Good to see you, mate, mate.
29:18
Speaker 10: I'm currently nine floors up. Would you believe it? Nine stories?
29:23
Speaker 10: Wait till I hear about this back home.
29:25
Speaker 1: It's unreal. Did they you look at you strange when
29:27
Speaker 1: you stepped into the left with your rubber boots still on.
29:32
Speaker 10: Well least it didn't drive a tractor to there. That
29:34
Speaker 10: would have drawn some disapproving glares. You know, I've learned
29:37
Speaker 10: from my mistakes. Let's just say that much, Chris.
29:39
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about another haunt that
29:41
Speaker 1: you know world, just up up the road a bit
29:43
Speaker 1: from Sydney, the Central Coast. You know it very well.
29:46
Speaker 1: You used to live up that way, and as you know,
29:48
Speaker 1: Anthony Alberizi has brought himself a beach house up there,
29:52
Speaker 1: the multimillion dollar beach house. But the Copa Kabana rental
29:57
Speaker 1: price has been slashed. Apparently it was going out for
29:59
Speaker 1: nine hundred bucks a week. You get it? Is it
30:02
Speaker 1: a bargain at fifteen hundred bucks a week up there?
30:06
Speaker 10: Actually, it's probably around about where the market would put it.
30:09
Speaker 10: It's certainly not the priciest joint on the Central Coast.
30:12
Speaker 10: I mean, if you if you want to go upscale
30:14
Speaker 10: on the Central Coast, you want to have at least
30:16
Speaker 10: a beach and not a cliff. A cliff is a
30:19
Speaker 10: bit kind of it's a bit kind of newbie. And
30:21
Speaker 10: I know that Jody, the future missus Elbow, is from
30:25
Speaker 10: that area, and she's probably very much aware that cliff
30:28
Speaker 10: isn't the goal. I'm surprised I actually went for that
30:30
Speaker 10: rather than something with some nice sand or a decent
30:33
Speaker 10: sort of area to park a boat.
30:34
Speaker 1: I think he's worried about rising sea levels. I would
30:37
Speaker 1: have thought the price would go up. Once the Prime
30:39
Speaker 1: Minister owns it, everyone would want to check out his joint,
30:42
Speaker 1: and maybe something like that. I'd want to leave a
30:44
Speaker 1: few columns around for him to read, or some of
30:46
Speaker 1: your columns and some of j Hanna's Leek's cartoons, just
30:49
Speaker 1: plaster the place with us. I want to stay on
30:52
Speaker 1: Albo on a more serious point, and this is something
30:55
Speaker 1: that you really picked apart brilliantly in your column. I'll
30:58
Speaker 1: start it off by reminding viewers of what the Prime
31:02
Speaker 1: Minister had to say on Sunday about the events since
31:05
Speaker 1: Melbourne with that synagogue.
31:08
Speaker 2: Tomorrow, the Victorian Police and the Australian Federal Police will
31:13
Speaker 2: be having a meeting. There is a technical process that
31:18
Speaker 2: is agreed in the protocols for designating an event as
31:23
Speaker 2: a terrorist act. That meeting is taking place tomorrow, if
31:27
Speaker 2: you want my personal view, Quite clearly, terrorism is something
31:31
Speaker 2: that is aimed at creating fear in the community, and
31:35
Speaker 2: the atrocities that occurred at the synagogue in Melbourne clearly
31:40
Speaker 2: were designed to create fear in the community and therefore,
31:45
Speaker 2: from my personal perspective, certainly fulfill that definition of terrorism.
31:51
Speaker 1: There it is right there, Tim, As I was saying
31:53
Speaker 1: at the top of the program, he is just not
31:56
Speaker 1: a leader. He's talking about his personal view. Mate, You're
31:59
Speaker 1: the leader of the nation. We're here to get the
32:03
Speaker 1: view and the response and the action. And he sounded
32:06
Speaker 1: there like a bureaucrat, didn't.
32:07
Speaker 10: He Absolutely, And this is kind of improadant in a
32:13
Speaker 10: broader political I think perhaps it's driven by what we're
32:17
Speaker 10: doing now, chatting over chatting over an intellet, internet connection,
32:20
Speaker 10: social media, and science. It's made people demand a more
32:23
Speaker 10: natural response from from politicians and in fact demanding a
32:26
Speaker 10: more natural response from media personalities in general. And albo
32:31
Speaker 10: talking there doesn't sound like the elbow that you might
32:34
Speaker 10: run into in the street or in Cope Gabana for
32:36
Speaker 10: that matter. It sounds like a very schooled, enforced and
32:40
Speaker 10: unnatural personality. He's trying to He's trying to get away
32:44
Speaker 10: with it. It's not going to work. It's long term
32:47
Speaker 10: and especially even short term with this issue.
32:50
Speaker 1: He's thinking himself, well, it's just not authentic, right. He
32:53
Speaker 1: doesn't have the confidence. He obviously doesn't doesn't have the
32:56
Speaker 1: confidence in the issues, or doesn't have the conviction on
32:58
Speaker 1: the issues to actually share the thoughts that he's picking
33:02
Speaker 1: around the issue, trying to work out what he should say,
33:05
Speaker 1: what he shouldn't say, what people might want him to say,
33:07
Speaker 1: and it's completely unconvincing.
33:10
Speaker 10: You've got to be authentic, absolutely, and we saw what
33:14
Speaker 10: how far being authentic can take you. It gave a
33:17
Speaker 10: certain blow called Donald Trump the victory in the us
33:20
Speaker 10: over one of the most powerful political machines in global history.
33:25
Speaker 10: And with all the media backing and everything, and still inauthentic,
33:29
Speaker 10: Kamala couldn't beat off the CUF for Donald Trump.
33:32
Speaker 1: I want to show you someone else who is being authentic,
33:34
Speaker 1: perhaps betraying her real self. That the famous sort of
33:39
Speaker 1: teen climate campaigner Greta Tumberg, who is now twenty one,
33:44
Speaker 1: gave us all the insight about into what she thinks
33:46
Speaker 1: of both Germany and israel.
33:55
Speaker 11: Is.
34:00
Speaker 1: I think she's neatly summarized the intellectual heft of her positions.
34:06
Speaker 10: This is why leaving school too early does to a person.
34:09
Speaker 10: Ever now, clearly, although you know, to be fair, I
34:12
Speaker 10: do know a lot of people who did leave school
34:13
Speaker 10: to some people might say to early, and they're a
34:15
Speaker 10: lot brighter than than great is this is? This is?
34:19
Speaker 10: Is there an international charge about extending your fifteen minutes
34:22
Speaker 10: of fame beyond any acceptable point? Because I think she's
34:25
Speaker 10: breaching it. There's no one, no one sensible is reaching
34:28
Speaker 10: out to Greta for her opinions on international anything, much
34:32
Speaker 10: less situations in your Europe for the Middle East.
34:35
Speaker 1: Yes, time for her to go back to school, I think,
34:37
Speaker 1: and stop the protest. Thanks for joining us, Tim, enjoy
34:40
Speaker 1: your night in the big smoke. I hope, I hope
34:43
Speaker 1: someone's milking the cows. Tim Blair there into the on
34:48
Speaker 1: this occasion. Now, there's ongoing controversy in the US around
34:51
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's pick for Defense Secretary, Pete Hegserth. Plenty of
34:55
Speaker 1: meetings on the Hill to prepare for that confirmation process,
34:58
Speaker 1: but it seems like Donald Trump is pretty confident of
35:01
Speaker 1: getting his people through with that narrow Senate majority. Kristin
35:05
Speaker 1: tight took us through the process and how it's looking.
35:09
Speaker 17: It's looking really good right now, especially for Pete Hegseth.
35:13
Speaker 17: Jonie Ernst, she's a senator from Iowa. She had sort
35:16
Speaker 17: of emerged as the face of the resistance towards.
35:19
Speaker 16: Him in the Senate.
35:21
Speaker 17: But apparently she had a meeting with heg Seth today
35:23
Speaker 17: that went very well. She's saying positive things about him.
35:27
Speaker 17: You know, when she first was kind of hesitant about Hegseth,
35:30
Speaker 17: she received a ton of backlash from her own voters
35:33
Speaker 17: and of course from just Maga, the Maga movement in general.
35:37
Speaker 17: Word was she wanted the job for herself, but it
35:39
Speaker 17: seems she has fallen in line, and she needs to
35:42
Speaker 17: fall in line, Chris, because look after they got Matt
35:45
Speaker 17: Gates's scalp, there was blood in the water. And if
35:48
Speaker 17: Donald Trump loses another one of these picks to the
35:51
Speaker 17: left and just acquiesces to their demands, it's going to
35:55
Speaker 17: be really bad for other picks for his cabinet. I mean,
35:59
Speaker 17: if you want to talk about infidelity and adultry book
36:02
Speaker 17: at RFKJ, you think Keith Hegsath is bad, try digging
36:06
Speaker 17: into the past of it, Kennedy, he would deal with
36:09
Speaker 17: tons of problem. It's in a confirmation process. But Trump
36:12
Speaker 17: chose disruptors for a reason. I wrote a whole book
36:15
Speaker 17: about the swamp. My first book was called Government Gone Wild.
36:19
Speaker 16: We need people to go in there and do mass.
36:23
Speaker 17: Changes to the federal government the way it works and
36:26
Speaker 17: downsize it.
36:26
Speaker 1: Well. Hikeseth certainly knows how the media works and how
36:30
Speaker 1: politics works, and he's going to make sure that this
36:33
Speaker 1: is not trial by media. Have a look.
36:35
Speaker 16: But I'm proud of what I thought for I'm not
36:37
Speaker 16: going to back down from them one bit.
36:38
Speaker 18: I will answer all of these senators questions, but this
36:41
Speaker 18: will not be a process tried in the media.
36:44
Speaker 16: I don't answer to anyone in this group.
36:46
Speaker 1: None of you, not to that camera at all. Yes,
36:50
Speaker 1: I will see how that applies out. But he's certainly
36:52
Speaker 1: not going anyway, not backing down at all. How the
36:55
Speaker 1: fascinating thing, especially in the wike of President Joe Biden
36:59
Speaker 1: pottoning Hunter Biden of crimes known and unknown over a decade. Well,
37:04
Speaker 1: Donald Trump has indicated that on day one he will
37:08
Speaker 1: pardon those in prison for their role over the January
37:11
Speaker 1: of the sixth riots. Here's the president elect.
37:15
Speaker 2: These people have been there, how long is it three
37:16
Speaker 2: or four years?
37:18
Speaker 10: You know, by the way, keep it in there for years, and.
37:23
Speaker 14: They're in a filthy, disgusting place that shouldn't even be
37:27
Speaker 14: allowed to be open.
37:29
Speaker 1: Now, Kristin, I'm guessing you know, if he went back
37:32
Speaker 1: a few months before the election, the idea of this
37:34
Speaker 1: happening would have been usually controversial. But the fact that
37:37
Speaker 1: these people have done time, have been prosecuted, and the
37:41
Speaker 1: fact that Hunter Biden's been pardoned would seem that most
37:45
Speaker 1: people might accept this. Tell me you'll read, of.
37:48
Speaker 17: Course Donald Trump should pardon these people. First of all,
37:51
Speaker 17: I just want to note how extraordinary it is to
37:55
Speaker 17: see Donald Trump go on and bc he is just
37:57
Speaker 17: willing to go on any network, the networks full of leftists,
38:01
Speaker 17: and that is so refreshing after a Joe Biden administration
38:04
Speaker 17: and a Kamala Harris candidacy that wouldn't touch any media
38:08
Speaker 17: outlets that weren't.
38:09
Speaker 16: Completely friendly to them.
38:10
Speaker 17: But yes, of course Donald Trump should pardon these people
38:13
Speaker 17: and the other people who were political prisoners too. How
38:16
Speaker 17: about the Christians who were thrown in jail for praying
38:19
Speaker 17: in front of abortion clinics. And then on the flip
38:21
Speaker 17: side of that, I hope that under a Trump administration
38:24
Speaker 17: we see leftist you know, rioters thrown in prison for.
38:29
Speaker 1: What they do.
38:29
Speaker 17: How about the fact that BLM destroyed this country for
38:33
Speaker 17: almost a year with impunity, burning down buildings and businesses,
38:37
Speaker 17: People were killed, and hardly.
38:39
Speaker 16: Anyone was thrown in jail for that. So we need
38:42
Speaker 16: law and order in this country.
38:43
Speaker 17: And yes, we need the political prisoners, including the January
38:46
Speaker 17: six ers, set free. And that's what a lot of
38:50
Speaker 17: Americans see at this point.
38:52
Speaker 1: This is you use the term political prisoners now, except
38:55
Speaker 1: what you say about the evenness I suppose, the two
38:58
Speaker 1: tid system and the just in the US, and the
39:01
Speaker 1: fact that so many riots, so much damage was done
39:04
Speaker 1: by BLM protests over many years. But there's no question
39:08
Speaker 1: that these generally the six prisoners offenders actually broke the law,
39:14
Speaker 1: is there?
39:16
Speaker 16: Well, I think you have to look at that case
39:18
Speaker 16: by case.
39:18
Speaker 17: There are definitely cases of people who didn't even enter
39:22
Speaker 17: the Capitol building that.
39:23
Speaker 16: Day who were thrown behind bars.
39:25
Speaker 17: I think, you know, some people did break the law
39:28
Speaker 17: who were thrown in prison, So I think there's variation
39:33
Speaker 17: within these cases.
39:34
Speaker 16: But by and large, of course, many of these people
39:38
Speaker 16: were you.
39:38
Speaker 17: Know, had the book thrown at them and got way
39:41
Speaker 17: more time than they would have otherwise because you know,
39:44
Speaker 17: these leftists were trying to make a political point.
39:47
Speaker 1: Okay, Now from the sublime to the ridiculous, we've got
39:50
Speaker 1: to talk about Time magazine looking to choose their now
39:53
Speaker 1: famous of course maybe infamous person of the year, and
39:58
Speaker 1: when they circulate the man's or the potential people to
40:02
Speaker 1: get this title, you've got some expected names like Donald
40:07
Speaker 1: Trump up there on the top right corner, like Alon Musk,
40:10
Speaker 1: he's had a big year. Even the Princess Princess kit
40:14
Speaker 1: for battling illness. Joe Rugan gets a gig as well.
40:17
Speaker 1: But the kicker is in the in the bottom left corner.
40:20
Speaker 1: They're actually suggesting that Kamala Harris could be the Person
40:25
Speaker 1: of the Year. This would be high fast, wouldn't it.
40:29
Speaker 17: Hey, I actually don't have a problem with this if
40:32
Speaker 17: you think about it. Kamala Harris really changed the course
40:35
Speaker 17: of US history. She was such a weak candidate that
40:38
Speaker 17: she ensured a Donald Trump win, and she pulled.
40:42
Speaker 16: The mask off the leftists.
40:44
Speaker 17: The entire country now sees that they were full of
40:48
Speaker 17: nothing but empty slogans and jargon trying to sort of
40:52
Speaker 17: paper over and mask their terrible destructive policies. So I
40:56
Speaker 17: think there's actually quite a strong case for making her
40:58
Speaker 17: person of the Year. Certainly the I mean, she the
41:01
Speaker 17: best person, but she was very consequential to the direction
41:04
Speaker 17: of this country.
41:05
Speaker 1: Well, I just hope that Time magazine can imagine what
41:09
Speaker 1: can be without being burdened by what has been. Thanks
41:17
Speaker 1: for joining us all year, Kristin. It's been a pleasure
41:20
Speaker 1: in an eventful year, and we can't wait to catch
41:22
Speaker 1: up with you again next year.
41:25
Speaker 16: Thank you very much, Chris. Merry Christmas to you and
41:27
Speaker 16: your viewers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, plenty to come in US politics next year. I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you more about that in the early January. Coming
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Speaker 1: up after the break though, Cuzo Brian and Stephen Senna
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Speaker 1: Tiempo joined me. We'll talk more about the PM and
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Speaker 1: that visit to the synagogue today. Also Peter Dutton's promised
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Speaker 1: to get back to one flag in this country, just
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Speaker 1: one flag. Let's go to what I like to think
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Speaker 1: of as a mini national cabinet here to solve the
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Speaker 1: problems of the nation. Czo Brian from The Herald Sun,
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Speaker 1: Joe Live from Melbourne and Stephen Senter Tempo from two
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Speaker 1: Double C in Canberra joins us from the nation's capital.
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Speaker 1: Good to speak to you both again. I want to
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Speaker 1: start off with Peter Dutton's promise. I suppose put it
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Speaker 1: that way. He's already just standing in front of one
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Speaker 1: flag at press conferences, doesn't it, just as the Australian flag,
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Speaker 1: not the indigenous flag, and the Tyres Strait Island flag
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Speaker 1: as well. And he's saying as Prime Minister, if he wins,
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Speaker 1: he'll stick to that just one flag. Steve and I
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Speaker 1: would be suggesting that you were going to applaud him
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Speaker 1: for that move. Yeah.
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Speaker 19: Look, it's the right it's the right thing to do,
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Speaker 19: and it makes sense and it's going to resonate with
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Speaker 19: a lot of voters. But I wonder about the political
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Speaker 19: wisdom from it, because I think it puts a target
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Speaker 19: on his back because it's obviously going to be something
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Speaker 19: that labor will come out and say, Look, this is
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Speaker 19: a man who's dining to divide the nation. He doesn't
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Speaker 19: care about Indigenous people, doesn't care about Torres Strait Islanders.
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Speaker 19: He's trying to create a wedge when the reality is
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Speaker 19: that we are never going to come together as one nation.
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Speaker 19: We're never going to achieve reconciliation until we all decide
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Speaker 19: that we're one people, and you can only do that
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Speaker 19: if you've got one flag. So whilst I applaud the sentiment,
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Speaker 19: I question the political wisdom.
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Speaker 1: I think the political wisdom is spot on here because
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Speaker 1: I think you'll love that criticism. He'll say he's the
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Speaker 1: one standing up for unity behind one flag, and you'll
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Speaker 1: get more people supporting him. A lot of people will
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Speaker 1: attack him. Here's what he had to say with Peter
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Speaker 1: Quiblin last night.
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Speaker 18: We are a country united under one flag. And if
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Speaker 18: we're asking people to identify with different flags, no whether
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Speaker 18: country does that, and we are dividing our country unnecessarily. Now,
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Speaker 18: we should have respect for the Indigenous flag and the
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Speaker 18: Torres straight hole in the flag, but they are not
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Speaker 18: our national flags. And I think the Prime Minister sends
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Speaker 18: a very confusing message.
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Speaker 1: He has a point, doesn't He says, you know, the
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Speaker 1: nation rallies around three flags.
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Speaker 10: See.
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Speaker 16: I actually disagree.
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Speaker 9: I think that he is being divisive and this seems
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Speaker 9: to me to be something that's come up in some
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Speaker 9: PR firm talk fest and they've kind of seen it
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Speaker 9: as a point of difference.
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Speaker 12: I think that if there had been.
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Speaker 9: A massive ground swell from the Australian people about the
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Speaker 9: flag issue and people were saying, oh, why is there three?
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Speaker 9: It's so confusing. Oh I don't really understand it. It's
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Speaker 9: a kind of benign, positive symbol of acceptance of the
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Speaker 9: difference of the background of our Australian people, the Torrestra Islanders,
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Speaker 9: the Aboriginal people. I think it's a positive rather than divisive.
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Speaker 9: And I think he's been divisive by saying, oh, well, you.
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Speaker 16: Know, we're just going to have one instead. And I
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Speaker 16: think what Steven said is right.
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Speaker 9: It will put a target on his back and I yeah,
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Speaker 9: it's going to be fascinating to see how.
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Speaker 16: That plays out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's a politician who understands that that doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: If forty eight percent are attacking you, you only need
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Speaker 1: fifty two percent supporting you. And the's one here is
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Speaker 1: I mean, as you know, through my support of the Voice,
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Speaker 1: I'm all for Indigenous recognition and and indigenous the overturning
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Speaker 1: of Indigenous disadvantage. But it becomes complicated in this country
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Speaker 1: because you can't just have the Indigenous flag and the
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Speaker 1: Australian flag, because you've got to have the Tyres Strait
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Speaker 1: Islanders as well. So you end up with three flags,
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Speaker 1: and we're supposed to be united under one flag, and
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Speaker 1: a lot of people don't like the one flag with
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Speaker 1: the Union jack in the corner as well. So we're
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Speaker 1: in this sort of a hodgepodge situation as a country. Stephen, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I think that's the problem.
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Speaker 19: I mean, you know, I mean I talk about it
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Speaker 19: politically saying, you know, he will put a target on
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Speaker 19: his back here, but the sentiment is right, as I say,
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Speaker 19: because the concept of reconciliation. The problem I've always had
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Speaker 19: with that is that nobody can tell me what it
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Speaker 19: actually means and what the destination is because it has
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Speaker 19: to be an endpoint where we are at some point reconciled,
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Speaker 19: and that will never happen as long as we're all
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Speaker 19: living under different symbols and adhering to different philosophies and
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Speaker 19: deciding that we're going to be part.
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Speaker 1: Of different nations.
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Speaker 19: So I mean, when we talk about different backgrounds, I mean,
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Speaker 19: there's hundreds of different backgrounds in Australia, but we don't
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Speaker 19: have a different flag for all of them. There's got
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Speaker 19: to be some unifying point here. So I agree with
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Speaker 19: that sentiment. But again, I just wonder how it's going
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Speaker 19: to play out.
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Speaker 1: So that this debate will carry on quite a while, Susie,
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Speaker 1: because you know, one of the solutions here to just
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Speaker 1: have one flag that everybody's happy with, like a different flag,
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Speaker 1: a news flag.
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Speaker 16: I don't well, that is very possible.
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Speaker 9: Might take out the Union jack and maybe put the
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Speaker 9: Aboriginal flag in the corner, maybe the Torrestrae islander at
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Speaker 9: one in the other corner. Just because the politicians are
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Speaker 9: just because the politicians are standing in front of three flags,
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Speaker 9: we're not saying all of these are our national flags.
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Speaker 9: I mean I think people know that these flags, you
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Speaker 9: know that we have one national flag, no one suggesting otherwise,
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Speaker 9: and to suggest that somehow people are confused, because this
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Speaker 9: is just a positive, as I said, benign symbol of
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Speaker 9: actually coming together, where we're saying we are recognizing and
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Speaker 9: appreciating the diversity of the background of our nation. I
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Speaker 9: don't see a problem with it, and I really do
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Speaker 9: not think and this is why I do think it's divisive.
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Speaker 9: I don't see it as an issue that average people
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Speaker 9: are talking about. They're not banging on about it, Betty
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Speaker 9: on the phone for watching a press conference, My listeners
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Speaker 9: would disagree with you.
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Speaker 2: There three flags.
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Speaker 1: It annoys people because you see the Greens interview do
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Speaker 1: they only have the Aboriginal flag and the Toris torres
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Speaker 1: straight under the flag in view? They hide the Australian flag.
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Speaker 1: And when you're doing something overseas, you just want one flag.
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Speaker 1: You don't have to rustle up three flags. Is it's
47:22
Speaker 1: it's It's a minor at least an irritant to a
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Speaker 1: lot of people. Let's move on to some more substantial
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Speaker 1: issues as well. With albern Easy, he turned up at
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Speaker 1: the Melbourne Synagogue today. Have a look at this because
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Speaker 1: he just had a few words didn't take any questions
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Speaker 1: and jumped in the car. Here will go.
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Speaker 3: Are you worried about.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, bit of a mixed reception your town suits. He
47:55
Speaker 1: tell us how there is how the visit and the
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Speaker 1: timing of it has gone down.
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Speaker 16: Well, no doubt.
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Speaker 9: People are saying that this is Albanizi's Morrison's Hawaii moment,
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Speaker 9: and I think it's true. I mean, my understanding is
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Speaker 9: that he had quite a good reception at that particular synagogue. However,
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Speaker 9: what was he doing playing tennis and receiving multimillion dollar
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Speaker 9: donors as our country, as our city is reeling from
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Speaker 9: this terrorist attack.
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Speaker 16: I think it's absolutely wrong.
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Speaker 9: Politics bad politics, and we should we deserve and we
48:32
Speaker 9: should expect more from our leader than that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he just doesn't get it, does he, Steven? And
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Speaker 1: he really should have gone to Melbourne before he went
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Speaker 1: to Perth. He knew about it early enough. This was
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Speaker 1: as soon as I heard that sort of the cracker
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Speaker 1: dawn Friday morning. I think, Wow, this is a big event,
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Speaker 1: This is a big issue. This requires some leadership.
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Speaker 10: Well, let's make no mistake about it.
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Speaker 19: The reason we've gotten to this point is because of
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Speaker 19: a lack of leadership that this government has shown since
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Speaker 19: October seven and probably before that, if we're fared income
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Speaker 19: about it. This is a bloke who's a day late
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Speaker 19: and a dollar short every single time. And he was
49:04
Speaker 19: an opportunity for him to actually show leadership. It was
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Speaker 19: served up to him on a silver platter. And he
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Speaker 19: even stuffed this up. I mean, it's absolutely fair. And
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Speaker 19: then when he was questioned about it, and it's almost like, oh, well,
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Speaker 19: I went to a bar mitzvah. That's Jewish too, isn't it.
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Speaker 19: I mean, it's just you know, I mean, somebody should
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Speaker 19: tell him it's all Greek to me, not all Jewish
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Speaker 19: to me. And this was a serious incident. This was
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Speaker 19: a terrorist attack on our soil.
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Speaker 1: Now he can.
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Speaker 19: Equivocate about whether it's an official, officially declared active terror
49:31
Speaker 19: or his personal opinion or whatever it was. This was
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Speaker 19: targeted to a religious group in our country, on our soil.
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Speaker 1: And he just he's certainly a day late and he's
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Speaker 1: not normally a dollar short. Thanks for joining us, Steven
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Speaker 1: and sus. He loved your company all year. Look forward
49:46
Speaker 1: to catching up again in twenty twenty five. I haven't
49:49
Speaker 1: got time for your feedback last night, but you all
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Speaker 1: agree generally with Susan, with Susie and Stephen and me
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Speaker 1: when it comes to Albanez. He's weakness on this I
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Speaker 1: see tomorrow night at five with