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Monday Mini: Honey, They Shrunk the Tampons! · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie.
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  Speaker 2: And Samantha and welcome to Steff.
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  Speaker 1: We never told your prediction of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: And welcome to another Monday Mini where I talk about
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  Speaker 2: well my social media corner. Yeah no, so on my
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  Speaker 2: usual daily viewing of TikTok, don't start with me. A
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  Speaker 2: video popped up on my for You page FYP, and
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  Speaker 2: in it, the creator compares an old manufactured tampon so
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  Speaker 2: like she probably bought it ten years ago, not really sure,
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  Speaker 2: versus a tampon produced today so recently manufactured, and claimed
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  Speaker 2: that the sizes have shrunk. So here's some context of
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  Speaker 2: that video from Cafe mom dot com. Quote. In her video,
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  Speaker 2: Melissa Simonson showed a tampax chart showing that minstrel flows
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  Speaker 2: aligned with which absorbency level. I'm calling you out, Tampacs.
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  Speaker 2: She said, these sizes that you normalize so that we
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  Speaker 2: all as women know about which ones we use for
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  Speaker 2: about which period of time during our periods. These are
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  Speaker 2: not accurate anymore because you shrunk them. The video has
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  Speaker 2: since attracted more than two point three million views and
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  Speaker 2: over two hundred and ninety three thousand likes, not to mention,
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  Speaker 2: thousands of women in the comments confirmed they too noticed
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  Speaker 2: a stark difference. So she kind of brings out the
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  Speaker 2: two different tampons and puts it in her hands and
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  Speaker 2: shows the differences and sizes, and she goes with it
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  Speaker 2: that they different the flows, like you know, it's the
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  Speaker 2: junior or the small, medium, large, and then Super I
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  Speaker 2: had to be the super just go ahead and give
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  Speaker 2: this heads up. I do not have a period anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Thank god. I'm very happy i'd gotten IUD. I first
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  Speaker 2: got them, I don't want to say like twenty thirteen,
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  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, maybe twenty fifteen. I know it was before the
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  Speaker 2: Trump administration for sure, and since then my period has stopped.
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  Speaker 2: And I've been very very grateful to this. In my world,
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  Speaker 2: my periods were awful, heavy, flowing, very painful, all these things.
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  Speaker 2: So after the first initial year of having an IUD,
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  Speaker 2: because I know there's a whole debate, there's so many
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  Speaker 2: things that we could talk about ID as in fact
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  Speaker 2: Caroline christ and already have. But with that, for me,
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  Speaker 2: in my experience, the first year was really rough and
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  Speaker 2: trying to regulate. After that, it's been lovely and beautiful
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  Speaker 2: and I love everything about it. Thank you IUD. So
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  Speaker 2: with that said, I haven't had a period in a
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  Speaker 2: long time, so I don't know myself. I have not
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  Speaker 2: had to buy a tampon. I do keep small like
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  Speaker 2: pandyliners around just in case someone needs them. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it's not bad to have. But so I'm gonna put
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  Speaker 2: my little disclaimer here so I cannot attest to this myself.
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  Speaker 2: This is all coming from different sources. So this attention
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  Speaker 2: has brought a lot of period has to comment on
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  Speaker 2: this issue. Again, many people are saying they feel the
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  Speaker 2: same way. And two the point that many women thought
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  Speaker 2: they were having problems, like they were having such heavy
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  Speaker 2: flows and changing out their tampons so frequently or paths
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  Speaker 2: that they were freaking out, like, oh my god, what
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  Speaker 2: was wrong with me? Something is happening with my body?
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  Speaker 2: And here are some of those comments from the sun
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  Speaker 2: It says one of them said, I knew I wasn't crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I was wondering while I was going through them so
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  Speaker 2: much quicker. Another said, so it's not just me, dude.
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  Speaker 2: I thought my flow was getting worse because my tampons
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  Speaker 2: soaked through way faster. Now another one, I wondered why
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  Speaker 2: I went from using super plus tampons to needing to
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  Speaker 2: use Ultra on my heavier days. Actually, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: why do I need super like every single day except
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  Speaker 2: the days I need super Plus or Ultra? Now we know,
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  Speaker 2: Simonson responded, regular is trash made for no one. I
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  Speaker 2: felt that way, and another user said, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: this makes so much sense. I was like, how do
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  Speaker 2: I go through two boxes now in one cycle? It
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  Speaker 2: used to be one and one fourth boxes? And Simonson
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  Speaker 2: commented I had the same question. Truly thought my body
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  Speaker 2: was changing over time, and another woeman was like, I
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  Speaker 2: thought it was me as well. So a lot of
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  Speaker 2: these things have been concerning many women, and we've already
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  Speaker 2: kind of had this conversation about how much they cost.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about the pink tax, and it's still just
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  Speaker 2: as bad. Only a few states and areas offer free tampons.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty states, according to one site, still tax these products
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  Speaker 2: as well. Pink tax. Tampax, who was the main focus
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  Speaker 2: of this TikTok, even though other commenters were like, it's
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  Speaker 2: not just Tampax, y'all. My other tampons brands are the
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  Speaker 2: same way, but they they were the focus for Simonson's video,
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  Speaker 2: and they responded and said that they have not shrunk,
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  Speaker 2: although the amount available per box has definitely gone down,
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  Speaker 2: like literally at one point it was like thirty six
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  Speaker 2: in the box and now the thirty two. Why why
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  Speaker 2: for more money? We know that and that the actual
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  Speaker 2: I guess capacity to hold is regulated by the FDA.
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  Speaker 2: So a spokesperson from tamp box responded to buzfeed after
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  Speaker 2: the initial backlash, saying, no, we have not changed the
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  Speaker 2: size for always in tampacts. Our pads are available in
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  Speaker 2: multiple absorbencies designed to fit different knees, body types, and flows.
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  Speaker 2: They went on to say tampons are regulated by the
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  Speaker 2: US Food and Drug Administration FDA and adhere to industry
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  Speaker 2: observancy or size ranges as listed on the side of
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  Speaker 2: each package. The FDA absorbency ranges have not changed since
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  Speaker 2: its introduction more than thirty years ago. So they've been
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  Speaker 2: saying that repeatedly to different comments because I think people
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  Speaker 2: magazine got onto them as well and they were like, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: this is not true. Of course, then the question lies,
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  Speaker 2: why are women using more? Have they truly not changed
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  Speaker 2: or have they stayed within the boundaries of the FDA,
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  Speaker 2: which has like a listing that are arranged by doing
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  Speaker 2: the least possible amount. That's my question. You know how
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  Speaker 2: they kind of get away with wording and I'm wondering
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  Speaker 2: maybe this is it, so People Magazine rights. According to
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  Speaker 2: a Federal Register, the official journal of the Federal Government,
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty nine, the FDA published a rule amending
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  Speaker 2: tampon labeling regulations, which standardize the absorbency terms and sizes.
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  Speaker 2: They are junior which is less than six grams of fluid,
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  Speaker 2: Regular six to nine grams of fluid, Super nine to
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  Speaker 2: twelve grams of fluid, and super plus twelve to fifteen grams,
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  Speaker 2: and an ultra tampon absorbency size is fifteen to nineteen
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  Speaker 2: grams of fluid, and that was added in two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and The junior was labeled as light in two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and four. I don't know why that happened, So my question,
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  Speaker 2: my thought is maybe they're just keeping it instead of
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  Speaker 2: like the larger range, they're just keeping it as a
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  Speaker 2: minimal and saying they're still guidelines because they didn't say
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  Speaker 2: they didn't change it right.
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  Speaker 1: Right well, being guess lit and so many of those
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  Speaker 1: like terms. I've never really thought about it before, but
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  Speaker 1: the kind of strange, yeah, I feel like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of food companies get away with using terms terms that
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  Speaker 1: have a legal meaning, but they're not necessarily using it
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  Speaker 1: in the legal sense, right, So yeah, I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: there's something like that going on here.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Also, there's this conversation about how they're testing these products,
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  Speaker 2: so BuzzFeed actually talks about it, about the fact that
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  Speaker 2: they don't actually use blood. They use like a saline solution,
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  Speaker 2: which is not as thick as blood. So you've got
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  Speaker 2: to wonder what is being absorbed in what isn't. But
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  Speaker 2: before we jump into that, just as a reminder, this
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  Speaker 2: leads to the still disturbing facts of period poverty, which
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  Speaker 2: is still very prevalent all over the world. And just
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  Speaker 2: for a refresher, an update of where we stand period
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  Speaker 2: poverty as explained by the Unwoman dot org and this
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  Speaker 2: was from twenty twenty four. Period poverty refers to the
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  Speaker 2: inability to afford and access menstrual products, sanitation and hygiene facilities,
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  Speaker 2: and education and awareness to manage menstrl health. Simply put,
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  Speaker 2: period poverty costs women and girls too much, and it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have to be this way. I feel like this
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  Speaker 2: is just this has been a conversation for the last
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  Speaker 2: thirty years and we're still not hardly getting anywhere. Well,
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  Speaker 2: there's some places that are like, yes, we've got it,
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  Speaker 2: some workplaces that are like, yeah, we understand, we're here
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  Speaker 2: for you. But the fact that it's still so prevalent
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  Speaker 2: that people cannot afford, afford this or get access to
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  Speaker 2: this as a problem. And they go on to explain
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  Speaker 2: the causes, which quote stigma, the high cost of mintral products,
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  Speaker 2: and lack of water and sanitation facilities drive a period
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  Speaker 2: poverty around the world. Minstrual products are prohibitively expensive for
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  Speaker 2: millions of people worldwide. Ginger blind policies and tax laws,
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  Speaker 2: for example, the pink tax on feminine products, are in
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  Speaker 2: part to blame, but such policy decisions go together with
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  Speaker 2: a stigma and taboo attached to minstruation. For example, in
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  Speaker 2: many states within the United States, by Agra for erectile
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  Speaker 2: dysfunction is classified as a tax exempt health product, while
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  Speaker 2: sanitary products are claified as luxury goods and texts at
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  Speaker 2: the highest rate, which is I really want to throw
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  Speaker 2: the computer every time I read something like that. Why
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  Speaker 2: is viagrass so much more important? I'm gonna throw this computer. Additionally,
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  Speaker 2: more than one point five billion people still lack basic
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  Speaker 2: sanitation services such as private toilets, which is a huge deal.
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  Speaker 2: Not having access to safely managed toilets keeps many girls
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  Speaker 2: away from school and women away from work during their period.
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  Speaker 2: At least one in ten women and girls in rural
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  Speaker 2: areas across twelve countries did not have a private place
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  Speaker 2: to wash and change during their last period. That is
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  Speaker 2: so disturbing. Yeah, and as ongoing crises all over the
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  Speaker 2: world has caused a bigger deficit in period poverty, it's
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  Speaker 2: worrisome that companies may be skimping on the products which
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  Speaker 2: have been inaccessible to many. Here's another quote from unwomen
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  Speaker 2: dot org. There's growing consistence that managing administration is a
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  Speaker 2: health rather than hygiene issue, and above all, a human
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  Speaker 2: rights and gender equality issue. Today, six hundred and fourteen
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  Speaker 2: million women and girls are living in conflict affected areas,
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  Speaker 2: and the number of women and girls fleeing conflict, crisis
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  Speaker 2: and disasters is rising. The United Nations Refugee Agency estimated
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three that women and girls accounted for
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  Speaker 2: fifty one percent of all refugees. Menstruation does not stop
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  Speaker 2: during crisis yet menstrual hygiene management and women's girls' health
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  Speaker 2: and dignity are low priorities during a crisis response. During
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  Speaker 2: transit and in camps, displaced women and girls often lack
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  Speaker 2: privacy to change and wash internally. Displace women and girls
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  Speaker 2: in me and Mar preferred a disposable sanitary paths to
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  Speaker 2: clause once they learned how to use and dispose them
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  Speaker 2: and u WIN Women's recent report from Gaza, more than
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  Speaker 2: five hundred twenty thousand women and girls of reproductive age
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  Speaker 2: lack access to items to support their hygiene, help and dignity.
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  Speaker 2: They are resorting to using cloth or sponges because they
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  Speaker 2: cannot access menstrual products. You and Women estimates that ten
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  Speaker 2: million disposable mintrul pads are needed each month to cover
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  Speaker 2: the knees and preserve the dignity of women and girls
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  Speaker 2: in Gaza. In Lebanon, during the economic crisis, the prices
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  Speaker 2: of minstrl pads and other hygiene items made within the
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  Speaker 2: country increase by ninety eight to two hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 2: four percent. In April twenty twenty, sixty six percent of
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  Speaker 2: girls said they could not afford to buy menstrual products,
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  Speaker 2: and since menstruation is a taboo topic. Most girls and
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  Speaker 2: women do not talk about it. So there's so much
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  Speaker 2: to be had about this conversation that the fact that
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  Speaker 2: they are again tampax is saying that they have not
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  Speaker 2: done this. It is FDA regulated all these things. But
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  Speaker 2: from the testimony of those who are having periods that
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  Speaker 2: are saying their going through so many boxes and having
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  Speaker 2: to pay so much more because they have to have more,
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  Speaker 2: it seems us.
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  Speaker 1: It does, especially because they're a big company. One, yes,
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  Speaker 1: but two, we just have so much evidence from companies
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  Speaker 1: that have been doing this right. And during the pandemic,
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  Speaker 1: there was a whole there was this question of they've
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  Speaker 1: gotten more expensive and it seems like I'm getting less
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  Speaker 1: Like there was that whole thing about I'm finding them
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  Speaker 1: on eBay for hundreds of dollars, right, which is a yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if it's a health need, that's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: It's silly. So all these things and again with those
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  Speaker 2: who can't access it, and that's just the conversation in general,
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  Speaker 2: like we don't even think about the fact oftentimes people
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  Speaker 2: don't even think about the fact that this as a need,
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  Speaker 2: and the fact that yes, this is a health issue
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  Speaker 2: is becoming a health issue when it's not excess and
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  Speaker 2: it's not available, and then that people don't want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about it or don't want to help, and the
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  Speaker 2: fact that it's not affordable everywhere just because it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: affect everyone. Still fifty one percent is a pretty high
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  Speaker 2: number that they don't care about it. There's so many
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  Speaker 2: things as well as the fact that it ostracizes many
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  Speaker 2: people if they're on their periods. We know this taboo
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  Speaker 2: has really really up a whole society, like a whole
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  Speaker 2: community of people of women and those who have uteruses.
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  Speaker 2: We know this. So there are a lot to still
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  Speaker 2: be wanting when it comes to period products anyway, and
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  Speaker 2: overall uterine health, and as well as we need to
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  Speaker 2: be questioning the corporations and what they're doing to increase profits. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I think I wonder if they're trying to gaslight us
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  Speaker 2: about these products and about the fact that women are
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  Speaker 2: going through them so much quicker, and if there's a
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  Speaker 2: whole ongoing crisis that so many women are affected by this.
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  Speaker 2: We need to have a bigger conversation about what is
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  Speaker 2: happening that's true like one or the other. Yah, someone
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  Speaker 2: needs to be looking into this in fact, just as
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  Speaker 2: a reminder when it comes to testing, and I've said
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  Speaker 2: this earlier, these products are often often can lead to
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  Speaker 2: inaccurate information. As BuzzFeed reports, there's another factor that can't
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  Speaker 2: be ignored. Traditionally, we haven't tested tampon absorbacy with real blood,
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  Speaker 2: so the absorbency data would come to rely on doesn't
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  Speaker 2: accurately reflect how well a tampon works in real world conditions.
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  Speaker 2: In August twenty twenty three, Scientific American reported on a
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  Speaker 2: paper that found that tampon absorbacy numbers can be misleading
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  Speaker 2: because they're typically tested with a salinge solution that's just
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  Speaker 2: slightly thicker than water. When the tampons were tested with
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  Speaker 2: real blood, researchers found they could hold much more or
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  Speaker 2: much less, depending on the brand and size. They tested
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  Speaker 2: twenty one different period products and found that tampons of
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  Speaker 2: various sizes could hold a range between twenty and thirty
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  Speaker 2: four milli laters of blood and they continue saying. According
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  Speaker 2: to study authors, this was the first time tampon absorbancy
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  Speaker 2: was tested with actual blood. The fact that tampons were
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  Speaker 2: invented in nineteen twenty nine and it took until twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty three for researchers to test them with actual blood
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  Speaker 2: says a lot about how period stigma has hurt our
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  Speaker 2: understanding of women's health. Hopefully the study is a step
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  Speaker 2: toward period products that better reflect how much blood we
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  Speaker 2: lose each month. So literally last year, yeah, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: tweet twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I will also add for anyone who's had
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  Speaker 1: a period, you know a lot of times it's not
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  Speaker 1: just blood. Yeah, there's clots, there's mucus, there's like thicker
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  Speaker 1: stuff right that I get it might be difficult to test,
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  Speaker 1: but the fact that you just got to doing the
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  Speaker 1: blood part is still not quite capturing the pictures.
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  Speaker 2: What is happening. And I think that's that conversation again
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  Speaker 2: about like they don't want to learn, they don't want
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  Speaker 2: to help women. Yeah, they don't care, and they just
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  Speaker 2: wanted like, well, wills give it a band aid and
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  Speaker 2: want you to be quiet things quick, complaint and we
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  Speaker 2: don't want to hear about that, and then like when
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  Speaker 2: you actually start talking about it. Literally, I didn't know
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  Speaker 2: until I think I was graduated college that's the amount
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  Speaker 2: of class that I had was not normal. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh really, huh? Like it was a midwife. Actually she
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: was like talking to me and worked at the kind
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  Speaker 2: of colleges, and she was like, Okay, yeah, no, you're
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  Speaker 2: not supposed to have that many claws and if they're
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  Speaker 2: that big, that's probably why you were in so much pain.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, oh, okay, and then like it
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  Speaker 2: just blew my mind because I maybe a couple of
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  Speaker 2: these things were you weren't asked. You don't ask questions
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  Speaker 2: because you don't think to ask if you have nothing
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  Speaker 2: to compare whether you think you're fine and this is normal,
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  Speaker 2: and you find out it's not actually normal, you're like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's incredibly harmful because I feel like every
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  Speaker 1: person I know has a story like that. I have
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  Speaker 1: story like that because we don't talk about it, so
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  Speaker 1: we don't know what's normal. And the really scary thing,
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  Speaker 1: one of the really scary things is like, if we
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  Speaker 1: look at our conversations around abortion in this country, that
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  Speaker 1: becomes a huge deal. But no one who's making these
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  Speaker 1: laws knows anything right at boat periods because none of
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  Speaker 1: us apparently to right.
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  Speaker 2: And let's talk about the fact that they're trying to
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  Speaker 2: take away birth control in some areas and some people
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  Speaker 2: some women always wonder of them use birth control to
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  Speaker 2: help manage your period again, because it's so awful and
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: we're not even jumping into indometriosis and all of the
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  Speaker 2: information that's lacking from that, and how painful and how
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  Speaker 2: disruptive it is to many of the people with the
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  Speaker 2: universes and what that's like for them. It's annoy like
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  Speaker 2: this is such a ridiculous conversation. But the fact that
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  Speaker 2: the corporations are backtracking and be like no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: no no no, not bad tracking, but possibly possibly like
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  Speaker 2: not giving everything, not giving what is sufficient essentially for
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  Speaker 2: women to sustain good menstrual health. It's just kind of like,
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  Speaker 2: that's not even talking about toxic shock syndrome because people
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  Speaker 2: probably don't want to change out their tampas because they
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  Speaker 2: feel embarrassed and or they don't have them, like I can't,
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  Speaker 2: it's too much. But anyway, this is what I woke
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  Speaker 2: came up on my for you page. If you have
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  Speaker 2: thoughts on this, or if you actually feel like you
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  Speaker 2: can give an example to that, let us know, because
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  Speaker 2: this is interesting. I think it's so newly developed that
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  Speaker 2: I hope this doesn't go away. It's like I want
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  Speaker 2: to hear more conversations and people being held accountable and
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  Speaker 2: then you know, fixing this.
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