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- 0:03Speaker 1: On the morning of May third, twenty twenty two, a
- 0:06Speaker 1: contractor named Sharon Andrews lifted the lid of a septic
- 0:09Speaker 1: tank at a rental property in Mercer Hollow. She was
- 0:13Speaker 1: there to do a routine inspection. What she found inside
- 0:17Speaker 1: had nothing to do with routine. A smartphone and a
- 0:20Speaker 1: blue rubberized case sat sealed inside a gallon ziplock freezer bag,
- 0:25Speaker 1: fully submerged. Attached to the case was a yellow luggage label.
- 0:29Speaker 1: The name and phone number printed on it belonged to
- 0:32Speaker 1: a twenty four year old man who lived eighteen miles
- 0:36Speaker 1: away and had no idea his phone was missing. That
- 0:40Speaker 1: label is the detail that unraveled everything. Michael Sharp's mother
- 0:44Speaker 1: had made him promise after he lost a device at seventeen,
- 0:48Speaker 1: to mark every piece of technology he owned. It was
- 0:51Speaker 1: the kind of small, stubborn habit that embarrasses a teenager
- 0:55Speaker 1: and means nothing for years until it means everything. The
- 1:00Speaker 1: phone was not damaged, it was not water long. Someone
- 1:04Speaker 1: had gone to considerable effort to keep it intact, sealed, protected, hidden.
- 1:09Speaker 1: That effort, as investigators would later establish, was not accidental.
- 1:14Speaker 1: The person who placed it there knew exactly whose phone
- 1:17Speaker 1: it was, and that person had reasons to keep it
- 1:20Speaker 1: preserved rather than destroyed. What Sharon Andrews's photograph, before she
- 1:25Speaker 1: even touched the bag would become the first piece of
- 1:28Speaker 1: physical evidence in a case about something that leaves almost
- 1:31Speaker 1: no physical evidence at all, The slow, methodical dismantling of
- 1:36Speaker 1: one person's grip on their own reality. There is something
- 1:39Speaker 1: specific about this case that is difficult to set down
- 1:43Speaker 1: once you have encountered it. Not the crime itself, but
- 1:46Speaker 1: the mechanism, the patience of it. By the time investigators
- 1:50Speaker 1: reconstructed what had happened to Michael Sharp, the picture that
- 1:53Speaker 1: emerged was not of a con artist working fast. It
- 1:57Speaker 1: was of someone working slowly, carefully, and from the inside out.
- 2:03Speaker 1: The full architecture of what Dean Fisher built and what
- 2:06Speaker 1: had cost Michael Sharp to trust his own instincts again,
- 2:10Speaker 1: is what this episode examines. Dunbarton sits in Caldwell County,
- 2:15Speaker 1: the kind of town where people recognize each other's cars
- 2:18Speaker 1: before they recognize each other's faces. Michael Sharp had grown
- 2:22Speaker 1: up here. At twenty four, he was still building the
- 2:26Speaker 1: life that fit him. An accounting degree he had earned
- 2:30Speaker 1: the previous spring, a part time job at a warehouse
- 2:34Speaker 1: two evenings a week, and a Saturday bowling league he
- 2:37Speaker 1: had been part of since he was ninety. That league
- 2:41Speaker 1: mattered to him in a way that is easy to underestimate.
- 2:44Speaker 1: He had joined it the year he started college, when
- 2:48Speaker 1: everything else felt uncertain. His team mates Frank Odum, Stacy Perkins,
- 2:53Speaker 1: Bryce Lunde had stayed constance through four years of deadlines
- 2:57Speaker 1: and changes. Saturday was the one morning the week that
- 3:01Speaker 1: belonged entirely to Michael. He drove to Ridgeline Lanes, bowled
- 3:05Speaker 1: his frames, and for two hours nothing demanded anything from him.
- 3:10Speaker 1: His father drove a fuel delivery truck. His mother worked
- 3:13Speaker 1: the front desk at a veterinary clinic. His sister, Amy
- 3:17Speaker 1: was a high school senior. They were close in the practical,
- 3:21Speaker 1: low key way of families that do not need to
- 3:23Speaker 1: perform closeness, showing up, checking in, knowing each other's schedules
- 3:28Speaker 1: without being asked. Michael was precise by disposition. He tracked
- 3:32Speaker 1: his finances in a spreadsheet he updated weekly. He labeled
- 3:36Speaker 1: his devices. He kept a journal on his phone, not
- 3:39Speaker 1: as therapy, but as a record, a way of organizing
- 3:43Speaker 1: what he was thinking before he decided how to feel
- 3:45Speaker 1: about it. The people who knew him described a young
- 3:48Speaker 1: man who was careful with his observations and slow to
- 3:51Speaker 1: reach conclusions, not anxious, careful. That distinction matters more than
- 3:56Speaker 1: it might seem. In September of twenty twenty one, Michael
- 4:00Speaker 1: matched with someone on a dating app. The profile belonged
- 4:03Speaker 1: to a thirty one year old named Dean Fisher, who
- 4:07Speaker 1: described himself as a traveling data analyst based loosely in
- 4:11Speaker 1: the region. Fischer's messages were not overwhelming, That is the
- 4:15Speaker 1: first thing worth noting. He did not flood Michael's inbox
- 4:19Speaker 1: or accelerate too fast. He mirrored. He asked specific questions
- 4:23Speaker 1: about what Michael had said three messages earlier, and reflected
- 4:27Speaker 1: it back in slightly different language. He remembered small details,
- 4:32Speaker 1: not in a way that felt studied, but in a
- 4:34Speaker 1: way that felt like genuine attention. Michael later described it
- 4:38Speaker 1: to investigators as feeling like someone had been reading his
- 4:41Speaker 1: mind and writing it back to him. That is not
- 4:44Speaker 1: a metaphor. According to records from Fischer's cooperation sessions after
- 4:48Speaker 1: his arrest, Fisher had developed what counselor Curtis Richardson would
- 4:53Speaker 1: later characterize as low volume, high specificity, mirroring a patient
- 4:58Speaker 1: technique that requires the target to do most of the
- 5:01Speaker 1: emotional work while the perpetrator provides carefully calibrated response. The
- 5:06Speaker 1: effect is intimacy that feels earned. The target believes they
- 5:10Speaker 1: are being understood, they are actually being mapped. What Michael
- 5:14Speaker 1: did not know in September of two thousand twenty one,
- 5:18Speaker 1: what he had no way of knowing, was that Fisher
- 5:21Speaker 1: was running the same architecture simultaneously with at least two
- 5:25Speaker 1: other men, Patrick Ives twenty seven, an electrician in Mercer Hollow,
- 5:31Speaker 1: Greg Malone, thirty, whose confrontation with Fisher in January of
- 5:35Speaker 1: twenty twenty two would quietly shift the entire operation's focus.
- 5:40Speaker 1: Each relationship used a slightly different profile. Each man believed
- 5:44Speaker 1: he had Dean Fischer's specific particular attention. None of them did,
- 5:49Speaker 1: and by late October of twenty twenty one, Dean Fisher
- 5:53Speaker 1: had done something none of them knew about either. He
- 5:55Speaker 1: had spotted Michael's car in the parking lot at Ridgeline Lanes.
- 6:00Speaker 1: He had noted the make, the model, and the cracked
- 6:03Speaker 1: passenger window that Michael had been meaning to fix for months.
- 6:07Speaker 1: He had started to think about Saturdays. The cracked passenger
- 6:10Speaker 1: window was the key to everything. Michael Sharp had been
- 6:14Speaker 1: meaning to fix it for months, A minor nuisance, the
- 6:17Speaker 1: kind of thing that stays on it to do list
- 6:19Speaker 1: through one season and into the next. He never got
- 6:22Speaker 1: around to it, and Dean Fisher never needed him to.
- 6:25Speaker 1: By November of twenty twenty one, Fisher was asking questions,
- 6:29Speaker 1: not strange questions, reasonable ones. He wanted to know where
- 6:34Speaker 1: Michael parked when he bowled. He asked about the Saturday schedule,
- 6:38Speaker 1: what time Michael arrived, how long the league ran. Michael
- 6:43Speaker 1: answered he had no reason not to. The man he
- 6:46Speaker 1: had been talking to for two months had remembered every
- 6:49Speaker 1: small thing he had ever mentioned. A question about parking
- 6:53Speaker 1: felt like attentiveness. It was reconnaissance. Between November and December
- 6:58Speaker 1: of twoenty twenty one, charges began appearing on Michael's secondary
- 7:03Speaker 1: credit card. Small amounts two dollars here, three dollars and
- 7:08Speaker 1: changed there. Nothing that would trigger an alert, nothing that
- 7:12Speaker 1: would ruin a week end, the kind of charge a
- 7:14Speaker 1: person might dismiss as a forgotten subscription or a rounding error.
- 7:18Speaker 1: Michael noticed them. He changed his password. The charges stopped.
- 7:23Speaker 1: He did not connect them to Dean. That is the
- 7:26Speaker 1: first image to hold a handful of small numbers erased
- 7:30Speaker 1: by a password change apparently solved. The thread looked closed.
- 7:35Speaker 1: It was not closed. It had just gone quiet. January
- 7:39Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two brought a rupture Fisher had not
- 7:42Speaker 1: planned for. Greg Malone, thirty confronted Fisher directly. The details
- 7:48Speaker 1: of that confrontation are not fully in the public record,
- 7:51Speaker 1: but the result is Fisher cut contact with Malone immediately.
- 7:56Speaker 1: One relationship terminated. The operation did not contract, It concentrated.
- 8:01Speaker 1: Michael Sharp became the primary focus. In February of twenty
- 8:06Speaker 1: twenty two, Frank Odum received a text message. Frank was
- 8:10Speaker 1: Michael's team mate at Ridgeline Lane's, some one Michael had
- 8:14Speaker 1: bowled with for years. The text appeared to come from
- 8:18Speaker 1: Michael's number. It was ordinary in content, the kind of
- 8:22Speaker 1: message that would not raise an alarm on its own,
- 8:25Speaker 1: but when Frank mentioned it to Michael later, Michael had
- 8:29Speaker 1: no memory of sending it. He checked his phone. The
- 8:32Speaker 1: message was not in his sent folder. It had never
- 8:35Speaker 1: been sent from his phone. Fisher had cloned enough of
- 8:37Speaker 1: Michael's sim architecture to test an outbound message not to
- 8:41Speaker 1: use it yet to confirm the clone worked. Frank Odum's
- 8:45Speaker 1: contact information was the test target. The text that arrived
- 8:49Speaker 1: on Frank's phone was a proof of concept, a calibration.
- 8:53Speaker 1: Michael did not know this. What he knew was that
- 8:56Speaker 1: his phone had apparently done something he had not asked
- 9:00Speaker 1: to do. He filed it in the same mental drawer
- 9:03Speaker 1: as the credit card charges. Strange, probably explainable, not yet alarming.
- 9:09Speaker 1: March of twenty twenty two is where the architecture revealed
- 9:13Speaker 1: itself most clearly, not to Michael, but in retrospect to
- 9:18Speaker 1: everyone who came after. Michael brought three things to Dean
- 9:22Speaker 1: Fisher in that conversation. He did not bring accusations. He
- 9:26Speaker 1: brought anxieties. He described the parking questions as something that
- 9:30Speaker 1: had been nagging at him. He mentioned the credit card charges.
- 9:34Speaker 1: He mentioned the text Frank had received. He framed each
- 9:38Speaker 1: one as a possible misunderstanding, a gap in his own memory,
- 9:42Speaker 1: something he was probably overthinking. Fisher listened. Then Fischer did
- 9:47Speaker 1: something specific. He acknowledged Michael's feelings. He validated the anxiety itself,
- 9:52Speaker 1: while gently redirecting the conclusions. He reminded Michael that he
- 9:56Speaker 1: had a history of second guessing himself, something Michael had
- 9:59Speaker 1: told old Fisher months earlier, in a moment of genuine
- 10:03Speaker 1: self disclosure, he suggested that the pattern Michael was seen
- 10:07Speaker 1: might be anxiety constructing connections that were not there. Michael
- 10:11Speaker 1: wrote in his journal that night. The entry was brief.
- 10:15Speaker 1: It read maybe He's right and I'm making connections that
- 10:18Speaker 1: aren't there. That sentence is the center of this case,
- 10:23Speaker 1: not because it was wrong. Michael's connections were completely right,
- 10:27Speaker 1: but because of what it required for Fisher to redirect
- 10:30Speaker 1: Michael's accurate suspicion back to Michael's own unreliability. Fisher had
- 10:35Speaker 1: to have been listening carefully for months. He had to
- 10:38Speaker 1: have stored the self disclosure about anxiety. He had to
- 10:42Speaker 1: have known exactly which internal lever to press. The gas
- 10:45Speaker 1: lighting worked because the intimacy was real enough. The map
- 10:49Speaker 1: Fisher had built of Michael's psychology was detailed enough to
- 10:53Speaker 1: use against him. Stacy Perkins, another teammate at Ridgeline Lanes,
- 10:58Speaker 1: later recalled Michael using the word interesting about Dean around
- 11:02Speaker 1: this time. Not warm, not enthusiastic. Interesting, the word a
- 11:08Speaker 1: person uses when something does not quite resolve, but they
- 11:11Speaker 1: have decided to set it down anyway. Michael set it down.
- 11:15Speaker 1: Fisher kept building picture Fisher's rental at fourteen Quail Hollow Court.
- 11:20Speaker 1: On the evening of May one, twenty twenty two, Patrick
- 11:25Speaker 1: Ives twenty seven, an electrician from Mercer Hollow, had driven
- 11:29Speaker 1: past that address. He recognized Fisher's truck. He knocked on
- 11:33Speaker 1: the door. A neighbor heard the argument. What Patrick Ives
- 11:37Speaker 1: knew at that moment and what Fisher immediately understood is
- 11:41Speaker 1: not fully documented, but the operational consequences Within hours of
- 11:46Speaker 1: that confrontation, Fisher began destroying and concealing evidence he had
- 11:51Speaker 1: forty eight hours before anything moved officially, he used them.
- 11:55Speaker 1: The encrypted drive went into the kitchen cabinet. The printed
- 11:59Speaker 1: recordards materials investigators would later describe as documentation of the
- 12:05Speaker 1: identity infrastructure Fisher had been assembled, went inside the rear
- 12:10Speaker 1: rain gutter of the property, and Michael's phone, the phone
- 12:14Speaker 1: Fisher had been removing from the unlocked car through the
- 12:17Speaker 1: cracked passenger window on Saturday afternoons, went into a gallon
- 12:22Speaker 1: ziplock freezer bag and down into the septic tank. On
- 12:27Speaker 1: May third, twenty twenty two, Sharon Andrews a contractor working
- 12:31Speaker 1: at the property opened the tank lid. She saw the
- 12:35Speaker 1: bag before she touched anything. She photographed it first. Inside
- 12:39Speaker 1: the bag, visible through the plastic was a phone in
- 12:42Speaker 1: a blue rubberized case with a yellow luggage label. The
- 12:46Speaker 1: label had Michael Sharp's name on it. It had his
- 12:49Speaker 1: phone number. Michael's mother had insisted he label every device
- 12:53Speaker 1: since he lost one at seventeen. The label that was
- 12:57Speaker 1: meant to return a lost phone to its owner had
- 13:00Speaker 1: survived a septic tank in his ziplock bag and was
- 13:03Speaker 1: now identifying evidence at a crime scene. Fisher was arrested
- 13:07Speaker 1: on May ninth, twenty twenty two, charged in Caldwell County
- 13:10Speaker 1: with identity fraud, unlawful access to a financial account, and
- 13:14Speaker 1: criminal tampering. He cooperated fully. He told investigators where everything was,
- 13:20Speaker 1: the encrypted drive, the printed records, the phone, and then
- 13:24Speaker 1: in the recorded cooperation sessions that would later form the
- 13:27Speaker 1: basis of civil claims by both Patrick Ives and Greg Malone,
- 13:32Speaker 1: Fisher described the architecture of all three relationships, the mirroring,
- 13:38Speaker 1: the tripled profiles, the Saturday window, the simclone test in February,
- 13:44Speaker 1: everything Michael had noticed and been redirected away from had
- 13:49Speaker 1: been real. The phone was processed in returned to Michael.
- 13:52Speaker 1: His journal entry from March was still on it, the
- 13:55Speaker 1: one that said, maybe He's right and I'm making connections
- 13:58Speaker 1: that aren't there. He he could read it now knowing
- 14:01Speaker 1: what those connections had actually been. Every one of them
- 14:06Speaker 1: was correct, every one of them. Fisher had turned back
- 14:09Speaker 1: on it. There is a question worth sitting with before
- 14:13Speaker 1: moving forward. Fisher had been meticulous. The encrypted drive, the
- 14:18Speaker 1: layered relationships, the patient mirroring the sim clone as a
- 14:22Speaker 1: test before use. A person operating with that level of
- 14:26Speaker 1: care does not make the kind of mistake that gets
- 14:29Speaker 1: discovered because a contractor opens a tank lit on a
- 14:32Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. The question is not whether Fisher's plan collapsed.
- 14:37Speaker 1: It did. The question is what collapsed it and whether
- 14:41Speaker 1: it was ever as complete as it appeared. Patrick Ives
- 14:45Speaker 1: knocking on that door at Quail Hollow on May first
- 14:48Speaker 1: was not part of any plan. He drove past, recognized
- 14:52Speaker 1: the truck, and acted on instinct. That single unplanned decision
- 14:57Speaker 1: compressed Fisher's timeline from months to forty eight hours. The
- 15:03Speaker 1: encrypted drive, the printed records, the phone in the tank.
- 15:08Speaker 1: Fisher had been building something. Patrick's knock meant he had
- 15:11Speaker 1: to stop building and start hiding. And hiding it turned
- 15:15Speaker 1: out was something Fisher was considerably worse at. The cooperation
- 15:20Speaker 1: Fisher offered was thorough. He told investigators where everything was.
- 15:25Speaker 1: The encrypted drive in the kitchen cabinet held Michael's credentials, usernames, passwords,
- 15:31Speaker 1: account structures. The printed records inside the rear rain gutter
- 15:35Speaker 1: detailed the relationship architecture across all three targets. And the
- 15:40Speaker 1: phone recovered from the septic tank was still readable, still functional,
- 15:45Speaker 1: still carrying everything Michael had written in it. The Caldwell
- 15:49Speaker 1: County charges carried a potential sentence of up to eleven
- 15:52Speaker 1: years stacked across the three counts. Fisher cooperated fully and
- 15:57Speaker 1: the court weighed that he was sentenced to four years,
- 16:01Speaker 1: parole eligibility at twenty eight months. There is something clarifying
- 16:06Speaker 1: about that number. Fisher had spent roughly eight months building
- 16:09Speaker 1: the infrastructure around Michael alone, the mirroring, the access, the
- 16:14Speaker 1: simclone test, the credentials on an encrypted drive. Eight months
- 16:18Speaker 1: of patience and precision. The sentence he received for it
- 16:22Speaker 1: was four years. The arithmetic is uncomfortable, but it is
- 16:26Speaker 1: the arithmetic the court produced then in August of twenty
- 16:31Speaker 1: twenty two, something changed the scope of everything. Fisher's DNA
- 16:35Speaker 1: booking sample, taken as routine upon arrest, was run against
- 16:40Speaker 1: open case databases. It returned a match a fraud and
- 16:44Speaker 1: harassment case from twenty nineteen filed in a neighboring state.
- 16:49Speaker 1: Perpetrator previously unidentified for three years. The victim was a
- 16:53Speaker 1: woman named Diane osgood What she had experienced two years
- 16:57Speaker 1: of financial identity theft and coercive online communication bore a
- 17:02Speaker 1: structural resemblance to what Fisher had begun constructing around Michael.
- 17:07Speaker 1: The same patient architecture, the same layered access charges were
- 17:11Speaker 1: filed in the neighboring jurisdiction that October. Fisher did not
- 17:15Speaker 1: cooperate with those investigators. He had already used his cooperation
- 17:20Speaker 1: card in Caldwell County. The agreement he had reached there
- 17:23Speaker 1: did not extend across state lines, and he knew it.
- 17:26Speaker 1: Diane Osgoode had spent three years not knowing who had
- 17:30Speaker 1: done it. The answer had been sitting in an unrun
- 17:32Speaker 1: DNA profile until a contractor found a phone in a
- 17:36Speaker 1: septic tank eighteen miles from Dunbarton Gregnolone and Patrick Ives
- 17:41Speaker 1: filed civil claims based on the recorded cooperation sessions. Those
- 17:45Speaker 1: sessions contained Fisher's own account of how each relationship was structured,
- 17:50Speaker 1: what he had said, what he had accessed, what he
- 17:53Speaker 1: had planned. His words recorded became the foundation of claims
- 17:58Speaker 1: by the men he had built those relationships around. Michael
- 18:01Speaker 1: Sharp was not a party to that litigation. He worked
- 18:05Speaker 1: with Councilor Curtis Richardson through the spring. In summer of
- 18:09Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and in June of that year, the
- 18:13Speaker 1: same month Fisher's cooperation sessions were still being processed by investigators.
- 18:18Speaker 1: Michael returned to the Saturday bowling league at Ridgeline Lanes.
- 18:22Speaker 1: Frank Odo was there, Stacy Perkins was there, Bryce Lund
- 18:27Speaker 1: the lane he had been bowling on since he was nineteen.
- 18:30Speaker 1: The phone sat in his pocket, His journal was still
- 18:33Speaker 1: on it. There is something that resists easy categorization about
- 18:37Speaker 1: what Fisher did to Michael. No physical threat was ever made,
- 18:42Speaker 1: No large scale fraud was completed before the arrest. The
- 18:45Speaker 1: infrastructure was still being assembled. What Fisher built across eight
- 18:49Speaker 1: months was a scaffold designed to hold another person's identity
- 18:54Speaker 1: in place long enough to use it, and the only
- 18:57Speaker 1: reason that scaffold never bore full weight was a knock
- 19:00Speaker 1: on a door that was never supposed to happen. Michael
- 19:04Speaker 1: had noticed. That is the part that stays. He noticed
- 19:07Speaker 1: the parking questions. He noticed the charges that stopped when
- 19:11Speaker 1: he changed his password. He noticed the text that his
- 19:14Speaker 1: phone had sent three times. He brought what he had
- 19:18Speaker 1: seen to the person who had planted it three times.
- 19:22Speaker 1: Dean Fisher took what Michael offered, his own perceptiveness, his
- 19:26Speaker 1: own anxiety, his own careful noticing, and reflected it back
- 19:30Speaker 1: as evidence that Michael was the problem. The March Journal
- 19:34Speaker 1: entry said, maybe he's right, and I'm making connections that
- 19:37Speaker 1: aren't there. Every connection was correct. Fisher had spent months
- 19:42Speaker 1: ensuring Michael would not trust the accuracy of his own mind.
- 19:46Speaker 1: That is the mechanism counselor Curtis Richardson identified, not the
- 19:50Speaker 1: credential theft, not the sim clone, but the systematic dismantling
- 19:55Speaker 1: of a person's confidence in their own perception. The financial
- 19:58Speaker 1: infrastructure was the goal. The psychological work was what made
- 20:02Speaker 1: the goal possible. Michael Sharp was twenty four years old
- 20:07Speaker 1: when a contractor named Sharon Andrews opened a tank lid
- 20:11Speaker 1: on a Tuesday morning and found his phone. He is
- 20:14Speaker 1: the reason Diane Osgood finally has a name attached to
- 20:18Speaker 1: three years of her life. He is the reason Patrick
- 20:21Speaker 1: Ives and Greg Malone have a record. He is the
- 20:24Speaker 1: reason the credentials Fisher assembled never became what Fisher intended
- 20:29Speaker 1: them to become. He went back to bowling on Saturdays.
- 20:33Speaker 1: He carried the journal with him. The entry was still there,
- 20:36Speaker 1: and so was the proof that he had been right
- 20:39Speaker 1: all along. This show is made by Oboe Media