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The Late Debate | 29 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Well wait de bait.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and thanks for joining us on the
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  Speaker 2: Late Debate. I'm James MacPerson with Caleb Bond and Danika
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  Speaker 2: to Georgio, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's nice to be back with you guys.
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  Speaker 2: After spending a few days in LUSA, where I think
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  Speaker 2: I met pretty much every Late Debate viewer. Every second
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  Speaker 2: person I talked to on Hastings Street was a late
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  Speaker 2: Debate fan.
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  Speaker 3: Be so famous, James, You're just you are the famous
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  Speaker 3: man on the set.
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  Speaker 2: I wish it were true, Danika, but you and I
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  Speaker 2: both know that they were all talking about Caleb Bond.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I see really that young Oh he's so smart.
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  Speaker 3: I've been telling Caleb is smart for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: I've been saying that to your face. You don't need,
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  Speaker 3: you know, our wonderful viewers to tell you.
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  Speaker 4: No, No, I'm just worried all this smoke you keep
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  Speaker 4: blowing up my rear. End Denika day I return, Well
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  Speaker 4: go a little bit of gentle bullying, I think, is
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  Speaker 4: you know we're just well deserved in a good friendship.
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  Speaker 5: Is it not fun?
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  Speaker 6: I thought you push the friendship?
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  Speaker 4: Ah, here we go. Well we can discuss this in
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  Speaker 4: the room with a.
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  Speaker 2: Chat yea, I think we should start the show before
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  Speaker 2: we get ourselves into trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Forget throwing a shrimp on the barbie, Paul Hogan has
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  Speaker 2: thrown one nation into the fire, describing Pauline Hanson as
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  Speaker 2: a Pelican and a racist.
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  Speaker 1: Victorian.
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  Speaker 2: Premier just Into Allen is about to learn that ideology
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  Speaker 2: has consequences. Employers are threatening to hire interstate contractors in
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  Speaker 2: order to circumvent the state government's controversial work from home laws,
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  Speaker 2: and almost twenty thousand foreign criminals are living free in
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  Speaker 2: the United Kingdom, having twisted human rights law to prevent deportation.
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  Speaker 2: And wait until you hear some of the insane reasons
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  Speaker 2: these convicted criminals have been allowed to remain in the UK.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to all of that shortly, but first, here's
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  Speaker 2: a question for you. Is being a smart ass at
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  Speaker 2: work a sackable offense? The Fair Work Commission says no,
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  Speaker 2: it's not. They're found in favor of a Sydney worker
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  Speaker 2: who'd been sacked for what it described as smart our
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  Speaker 2: comments to his boss. Amazon employee Colin Petrie had taken
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  Speaker 2: exception to a lengthy message posted by his boss on
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  Speaker 2: a STA forum. In a message exchange, he snapped at
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  Speaker 2: his boss to put your pen down during exchange about
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  Speaker 2: work orders at the Amazon Center. Relax, it seems like
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  Speaker 2: you just got your pen license, he said to his boss.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all, just trying to be completely transparent and
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  Speaker 2: avoid any misunderstanding. Mate, The boss replied, communication is the key,
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  Speaker 2: and in response to that, mister Petrie said, okay, now,
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  Speaker 2: pen down.
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  Speaker 1: Mister Petrie was later sacked.
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  Speaker 2: The Fair Work Commission agreed that mister Petrie was unprofessional
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  Speaker 2: and quote unquote a smart ass, but said sacking him
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  Speaker 2: was an overreaction. So, Caleb Bond, not that you know
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  Speaker 2: much about smart arsery, but is this a good decision
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  Speaker 2: by the Fair Work Commission or is smart arsery a
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  Speaker 2: sackable offense?
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  Speaker 4: No, I think that was a fair enough decision to
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  Speaker 4: be perfectly honest.
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  Speaker 5: Imagine being so.
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  Speaker 4: Precious as a boss that you decided someone needed to
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  Speaker 4: go because they cracked a joke about your long emails.
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  Speaker 4: Of all the things you have to worry about as
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  Speaker 4: a boss, I think that's pretty low on the rung.
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  Speaker 4: One of the things you have to accept when you
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  Speaker 4: are in a management position is that some of the
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  Speaker 4: people working for you won't particularly like you, and some
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  Speaker 4: of them will be more vocal about that than others.
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  Speaker 5: But that's just part of the territory.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it's rather precious to then turn around,
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  Speaker 4: as this particular boss apparently did, or so Amazon was
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  Speaker 4: saying anyway and saying that, you know, he felt harassed
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  Speaker 4: and bullied. But I mean, come on, if that's going
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  Speaker 4: to be the threshold for harassment and bullying, then we
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  Speaker 4: have a problem. And the FAIRWEK Commission indeed noted that
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  Speaker 4: if you looked at the chat logs in the group
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  Speaker 4: chat where this stuff was going on, you know, they
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  Speaker 4: were swearing all the time. They were making leud comments
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  Speaker 4: about to food delivery drivers, you know, making jokes about
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  Speaker 4: machinery breaking down, and like it was generally a place
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  Speaker 4: where they had a bit of fun. So the guy
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  Speaker 4: has a bit of fun and they sack him for it.
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  Speaker 4: Suck it up, boss, is what I'd say.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but where's the respect, Caleb.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it is appropriate to tell your boss
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  Speaker 3: to relax and put your pen down. Why do you
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  Speaker 3: need to say that to your boss? Then this bloke
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  Speaker 3: was apparently complaining about his workload, Well if you've got
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  Speaker 3: a problem with your workload, you've got a problem with the.
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  Speaker 6: Way things are done.
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  Speaker 3: Firstly, don't put it in a company wide system like
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  Speaker 3: Slack or Microsoft Teams or any of those systems to
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  Speaker 3: the effect. Go directly to your boss, to your employer,
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  Speaker 3: sit down and have that conversation. Don't go gossiping on
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  Speaker 3: a workplace like that. I think it is entirely I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it's a sackable offense, but I do think
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  Speaker 3: that it was completely rude to tell his own boss
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  Speaker 3: to relax. I just think that that crosses so many,
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  Speaker 3: so many lines.
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  Speaker 2: Both with you, but I think, according to this report,
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  Speaker 2: the company created a culture where that was entirely likely
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  Speaker 2: to happen. As the judge noted, you said, Caleb that
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  Speaker 2: on this internal communication platform there were lude jokes, there
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  Speaker 2: were constant swearing, offhanded messages, and so the work commission found,
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  Speaker 2: mister Petrice comment can't be divorced from the realities of
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  Speaker 2: this particular workplace if you're going to permit, and clearly
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  Speaker 2: they had ludes, swearing offhanded remarks on this conversation platform.
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  Speaker 2: Can you then go on sack a guy for just
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  Speaker 2: continuing in the vein that you have permitted well staff
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  Speaker 2: to speak.
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  Speaker 3: It just makes me wonder were there more issues behind
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  Speaker 3: the scenes, because I do agree in that I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it's a sackable offense. But in my view, this
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  Speaker 3: individual seems like a complete pain in the backside. To
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  Speaker 3: be honest, if you're going again, if you're telling, if
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  Speaker 3: you're being disrespectful to your employer, you are a nightmare
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  Speaker 3: of a staff member in my view. So I just
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  Speaker 3: wonder had there been other things that were building up
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  Speaker 3: behind the scenes, you know, for them to say We've
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  Speaker 3: got to get rid of this bloke. This was the
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  Speaker 3: final straw. This was the straw that broke the camel's back.
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  Speaker 3: And the other issue is I also have a problem
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  Speaker 3: with the Fair Work Commission intervening in a lot of
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  Speaker 3: these cases. And I understand that this is what the
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  Speaker 3: Fair Work Commission is for, but for goodness sake, it
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  Speaker 3: does make some bloody off decisions, the work from home
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  Speaker 3: decisions that it's made.
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  Speaker 6: I just I don't agree with a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of the Fair Work Commission, this bureaucracy that dictates what
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  Speaker 3: you should be doing and what you shouldn't be doing.
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  Speaker 4: But if there had been other issues Amazon had the
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  Speaker 4: opportunity to bring that up in the case, and well
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  Speaker 4: they lost the case. So I think we've got the
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  Speaker 4: answer to that one. I just don't understand why you
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  Speaker 4: would be so precious as to take greater fence to
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  Speaker 4: a joke about the fact that you seen a really
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  Speaker 4: long message. I mean, you know, part of what we
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  Speaker 4: do in Australia, in particular, we used to anyway in
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  Speaker 4: our Alarican nature was to be able to take the
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  Speaker 4: mickey out of each other. And if you've created a
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  Speaker 4: workplace where as the Fair Work Commission notes, you have everyone,
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  Speaker 4: including bosses clearly because they were doing all of this
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  Speaker 4: inner space where the bosses could read it and they
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  Speaker 4: weren't being punished on a wide scale, you created a
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  Speaker 4: culture that says, this is a place where we can
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  Speaker 4: have a bit of fun and we can take the
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  Speaker 4: mickey out of each other. But then all of a
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  Speaker 4: sudden you say, oh no, but but not the boss,
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  Speaker 4: not the boss, not the boss.
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  Speaker 3: That's fair enough. Sure, but that's fair enough. You can
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  Speaker 3: have a fun culture in your workplace. I don't have
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  Speaker 3: a problem with that, but I do have a problem
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  Speaker 3: that when you take it too far and then you say,
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  Speaker 3: and I do agree.
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  Speaker 6: No, not your boss. That's fine.
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  Speaker 3: I'm happy to have you off a little fun laugh
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  Speaker 3: with an employer that doesn't bother me. But I do
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  Speaker 3: think it takes it too far when it crosses that
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  Speaker 3: line where you become rude.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you, but I think the problem, as
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  Speaker 2: I said, is the company created a situation where it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't clear where the line was, and then this guy
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  Speaker 2: seems surprised that all of a sudden the line has
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  Speaker 2: been drawn.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't want a staff remember talking to me like that. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm paying the wages, then you'll treat me with respect,
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  Speaker 2: and if you don't, I reserve the right to go
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  Speaker 2: and find someone who doesn't slag off at me in
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  Speaker 2: front of everybody else at work. However, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: they created the culture, and.
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  Speaker 4: Then you get it right, and then they get it.
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  Speaker 4: You set the ground rules from the start. Clearly that
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  Speaker 4: didn't happen, so I don't blame the bloke for having
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  Speaker 4: a bit of fun. To be perfectly honest, I'll tell
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  Speaker 4: you who else has been having a go with someone
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  Speaker 4: that's Paul Hogan. Now you might recall after Paul en
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  Speaker 4: Hanson's speech at the National Press Club where she talked
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  Speaker 4: about monoculture that she was roundly attacked for this, and
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  Speaker 4: you know there was all sorts of stuff like the
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  Speaker 4: soccer US. They wouldn't exist and wouldn't be winning matches
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  Speaker 4: at the World Cup if it were for this monoculture
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  Speaker 4: that Pauline Hansen wanted. So she gave a speech in
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  Speaker 4: the Senate basically saying, pipe down, people, that's not what
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 5: What I'm talking about is shared values.
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  Speaker 4: I want to get back to the Australia of Norman
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  Speaker 4: Gunston and Paul Hogan.
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  Speaker 7: Accepting a strands means accepting our culture and the valuous
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  Speaker 7: customs and traditions which define us, a fair go tolerance,
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  Speaker 7: secular democracy, freedom of speech and religion, and the rule
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  Speaker 7: of law. It means accepting our irreverance and Alarcanism. Bring
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  Speaker 7: back Paul Hogan and Norman Gunston.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Paul Hogan doesn't want to be brought back, it
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  Speaker 4: would seem which I suppose makes sense because he's been
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  Speaker 4: living in the US for decades now, but he's decided
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  Speaker 4: to have a go to Ms Hanson because the AFR
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  Speaker 4: has wrung him up and said mister Hogan, what do
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  Speaker 4: you make of these comments from miss Hanson? And he said,
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  Speaker 4: I've always had a very simple rule, what makes a
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  Speaker 4: good Australian is wanting to be one.
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  Speaker 5: She's a Pelican. Yeah, outrageous, so racist.
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  Speaker 4: It sounds very much like this stupid bullfeaed over here Trump.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, mister Hogan. I'll take you up on the
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  Speaker 4: first point, which is that what makes a good Australian
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  Speaker 4: is wanting to be one, as though the only thing
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  Speaker 4: that qualifies you or can make you Australian is just saying, ah, well,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I wouldn't mind becoming as citizen of the joint.
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  Speaker 4: We do expect a little more of you to actually
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  Speaker 4: be an Australian. There are people who may well want
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  Speaker 4: to be Australian because it affords them access to all
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  Speaker 4: sorts of rights and welfare and various other opportunities that
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  Speaker 4: they wouldn't get wherever they come from elsewhere in the world.
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  Speaker 4: But it doesn't mean that they particularly particularly subscribe to
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  Speaker 4: the values of Australia, or that they believe in the
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  Speaker 4: value of the country. More broadly, they just want to
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  Speaker 4: have access to what we have over here. I'd say
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  Speaker 4: those people are not Australian and they should never be
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  Speaker 4: considered Australian. Simply putting your hand up and saying I'd
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  Speaker 4: like to be Australian doesn't make you an Australian.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, if you get to that.
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  Speaker 4: Point, it literally means anyone could be an Australian. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think you can really have the basis of a
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  Speaker 4: country where anyone can be Australian. And I suppose the
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  Speaker 4: second point is Paul Enhanson I think to a degree
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  Speaker 4: invited this. She made comments about Paul Hogan. Paul Hogan
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  Speaker 4: has the right to hit back, but I don't think
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  Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson's going to be sweating too much about it.
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  Speaker 6: Shell.
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  Speaker 4: As I said earlier tonight on Sharry, you know she'll
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  Speaker 4: turn this around and use it for a bit as
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  Speaker 4: social media content and say, you know, the cultural elites
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  Speaker 4: don't like me, which is why they're.
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  Speaker 5: After you as well. YadA, YadA, YadA.
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  Speaker 4: You know, on your Paul, if you really were so
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  Speaker 4: concerned about being an Australian, you'd probably still live here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Paul Hogan's no Dave Hughes is he He's not
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  Speaker 2: prepared to put his lot in with those who want
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  Speaker 2: Australia back from the multicultural mishmash it's become. As Caleb said,
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  Speaker 2: it was entirely predictable that a journalist hearing Pauline Hanson's
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  Speaker 2: comments would find Paul Hogan's.
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  Speaker 1: Number and ring him and say what do you think?
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  Speaker 2: And we really surprised that someone who's made their living
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  Speaker 2: in Hollywood is not that keen to be associated with
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen. The surprise would be the news headline would
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  Speaker 2: be if Paul Hogan agreed with Pauline Hansen, that he
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  Speaker 2: disagree and calls who are racist? Is really hardly news.
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  Speaker 2: My thing with this is Paul Hogan's been living in
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  Speaker 2: the US in a mansion for the past thirty years,
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  Speaker 2: so I even wonder if his memory of Australia and
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  Speaker 2: what it's like now would be accurate.
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  Speaker 6: That was what I was going to say too.
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  Speaker 3: I Paul Hogan is so out of the Australian political loop.
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  Speaker 6: If clearly, if he's.
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  Speaker 3: Been out of the country now for thirty years, he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't understand nor grasp why Paul Enhance It is actually
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  Speaker 3: doing well in Australia because the face of Australia has
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  Speaker 3: changed so much in the last three decades, and I
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  Speaker 3: would argue, especially since Bondi even more so so Paul
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  Speaker 3: Hogan has no idea, no understanding about why voters are abandoning,
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  Speaker 3: say the Conservative Party like the Liberal Party to go
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  Speaker 3: to one nation, because there are a number of voters
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  Speaker 3: who are so disenfranchised by the major parties. So I
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  Speaker 3: think that he should, maybe, you know, get with the
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  Speaker 3: program if he's going to try and com mention Australian politics.
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  Speaker 3: But if I was Paul Hogan, I would actually take
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  Speaker 3: it as a compliment that he was mentioned in an
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  Speaker 3: Australian Parliament by Pauline Hanson, because that, to me suggests
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  Speaker 3: that the character of Mick Dundee still resonates all these
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  Speaker 3: days later, and Mick Dundee was that dinky die ossie bloke,
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  Speaker 3: the guy that you can relate to, just that fair
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  Speaker 3: dinkum type of character.
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  Speaker 6: Take it as a compliment, Paul Hogan.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the irony, right, There are a number of scenes
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  Speaker 2: from those movies that we could not show tonight exactly
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  Speaker 2: because we'd get all sorts of complaints. That's it, And
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure we would not be allowed to show them
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  Speaker 2: because we've upset too many people. Australia has changed, and
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  Speaker 2: he should know that by virtue of the fact much
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  Speaker 2: of his movie catalog and certainly the Paul Hogan Show. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Delvin Delaney, I mean, you're smiling in love because I
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  Speaker 2: was by today's standds so appropriate.
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  Speaker 5: I want to know what Strop has to say about it.
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  Speaker 6: We're stopping all this.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing is is that a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 3: that Paul Hogan, who he's made a career and profited off,
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  Speaker 3: would be offensive and maybe in some instance is considered racist.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine what say about Paul Hogan watching all of.
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  Speaker 6: That stuff, absolutely exactly.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, look, Paul, if you're in the US,
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  Speaker 3: just just stick to being in the US. So he
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: does call Trump a buffhead I noticed.
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  Speaker 2: In that in that particular article, Yeah, which is kind
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  Speaker 2: of kind of telling right as to where his political
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't comment too much on politics or or the
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  Speaker 2: culture wars, but that comment that you know, Trump's a
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  Speaker 2: buff ed just another book Faed does sort.
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  Speaker 3: Of stand up for Australia, stand up for ye, stand
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  Speaker 3: up for Australia.
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  Speaker 4: Australia says, shrimp anyway, do we put another shrimp on the.
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  Speaker 5: Barbie, we do what sorry, do you say shrimp?
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  Speaker 6: I think it's like a funny term, shrimp on the barbie.
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  Speaker 5: Only because of the line from the advertisement.
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  Speaker 6: It's like a funny word. Yeah, yeah, but sometimes I'll
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  Speaker 6: trot it out.
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  Speaker 5: That's a big deal ironically or not?
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  Speaker 4: Would you go down to the supermarket or the you know,
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  Speaker 4: the fish markets, but like from.
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  Speaker 6: Having to Barbie trot it out?
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  Speaker 5: Can I buy five shrimp? Please?
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  Speaker 6: No, I wouldn't say that. I was talking at home Caleb, like, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, put a shrimp ironically because of shrimp on the barbie.
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  Speaker 6: But I don't think it's a big deal.
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  Speaker 5: No, I'm just saying the word shrimp is not an
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  Speaker 5: Australian term, is it.
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  Speaker 6: Well, you know it doesn't matter, doesn't This is funny, I.
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  Speaker 1: Tell you what. This conversation went well.
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  Speaker 5: Through anything.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know when Cale Hogan's put a shrimp on,
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  Speaker 4: put another shrimp on the barbie.
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  Speaker 3: Ok, it's offended Caleb, the term shrimps. Caleb's offended tonight,
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  Speaker 3: just like Paul Hogan.
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  Speaker 6: I know Caleb is offended by the term. I know.
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  Speaker 5: It was just an incredible.
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  Speaker 6: Turn of events this evening.
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  Speaker 3: Ladies and George is an incredible turn of events. Let's
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  Speaker 3: turn now to something else and.
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  Speaker 6: Get this conversation back on track.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Victorian businesses, look, they've been obviously under enormous pressure since
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: the COVID days and many are still going broken, have
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: not recovered since. But just said to Alan just seems
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: to be just so hell bent on making their lives
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: even tough. And you may have heard the news that
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: she's trying to enforce work from home mandates, meaning that
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: our employees can work from home two days a week.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: Should that be passed, that would come into effect from September.
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: First this year.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: But now the situation is so dire that employers are
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: being forced to take matters into their own hands. Almost
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: half of local businesses are now preparing to send workers
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: offshore or even swap permanent staff for contractors because of
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: this decision. The Herald Son says about two in five
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: of Victorian businesses will increase offshore hiring if the flexibility
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: mandate is enforced. New research by global payroll firm Remote
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: reveals it also found another thirty six percent say they
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: will shift future hiring to other Australian states one nearly half,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: so forty seven percent plan to dump permanent jobs in
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: favor of contractors to reduce their regulatory complexity. So businesses
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: are now being forced to outsource.
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: Do you blame them? No, I don't. But that in
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: turn impacts the Victorian.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Economy of course, and again I'm not blaming businesses for this.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: This is all on just sin to allen, But that
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: does have a flow on effect.
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: Businesses should choose. They have the right to decide whether.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Or not that they impose work from home mandates, and
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: it should be a decision made from the boss and
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: their staffer. No wonder, there are a record number of
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: insolvencies across this country. And honestly, why on earth would
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: you want to do business in this country right now?
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: When you've got states going freelancing, these work from home mandates,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: you've got ir laws, you've got.
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: Energy bills through the roof. It is very, very.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Difficult to run a business right now, and this just
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: makes it worse.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: No one saw this coming.
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: No no one, sorry, no one could.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Possibly have predicted this outcome. What I'm curious about is,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: so let's say this happens right, So would you say
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: almost half.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Of businesses, almost part forty seven percent.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Say they're going to outsource these jobs. So let's say
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: that happens and then there's a change of government, whether
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: it's in November or whether it's a term after that,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: do these jobs ever come back or having outsourced these jobs,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: whether interstate or to overseas and found cheaper labor, do
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: businesses just get into a new way of doing things.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: And this is more than just a one off hit
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: to Victoria.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: This becomes an ongoing problem that really cripples the state.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: Well, it's a couple of points. The forty seven percent
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: is businesses that say they would go to contractors instead
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: of hiring permanent full time because then they can be
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: a bit more rubbery about whether or not they have to,
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: you know, do the work from home stuff, right, But
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: it's two and five say they would look at hiring overseas.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Now, on that point, I.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Would say, if they're working overseas, they're not going to
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: be coming to an office in Melbourne. So I'm not
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: sure that particularly helps with the matter of work from home.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: But it helps with things like compliance, workplace health and safety,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: all those things you've got to still do when you've
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: got a staff member working at home. You employ someone
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: of the Philippines or India or wherever you're don worry
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: about India.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: That sure the cost you're already doing that with any
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: employee you have in Australia anyway, So you know that
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: the work from home thing is not going to make
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: a difference to that situation, because if you've got them
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: hard in India, sure you mightn't have to do all
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: the things you otherwise have to do here, but they
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: won't be working from the office, right, so I'll discount
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: that really as an issue, but the contractor one. So
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: of course this is all done. It's a bit like
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: the illicit tobacco thing. Right. We will put up the
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: tax so that people will find that it's too expensive
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: to buy cigarettes and then they'll stop smoking. You know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: we're doing something to help people, right. So here we
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: have the Victorian government saying, well, we're going to do
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: something to help the workers, which is we're going to
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: give them the enshrined right to work from home. But
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: of course we know that the tax situation hasn't worked.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: In fact, it's just made things so much worse. There
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: are more people smoking now. And what you will have
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: here is a situation where in the name of increasing workers' rights,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: you'll end up with fewer workers' rights because all the
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: employers will go, well, bugger that, I'll find a way
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: to employ them, ie as a contractor or I don't
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: have to.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: Deal with all this crap.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: So you'll actually have an overall regression in the stability
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: of employment and the rights of workers because the government
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: pushed the envelope too far. It's all good and well
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: to say, you know, workers should have rights and whatever,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: and of course there are certain levels of rights that
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: workers should have. But when you make it so hard
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: to do business that people don't want to do business anymore,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: there won't be any workers and they won't get paid.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: So you start to shoot yourself in the foot. And
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: I think that's where Victoria is going.
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: Yep, I completely agree.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: All right, let me give you a council story.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Now, this story starts a little dry, but stick with
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: me because it gets spicy. Okay, this is a council
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: in South Australia. Burnside counts. Now they've got an issue
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: with their CEO. In South Australia, at least an independent
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: tribunal sets the salaries of council CEOs, and the salary
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: is based in part on the income of that council,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: which makes sense.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Now, the Burnside Council has an.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Income of fifty four point eight million dollars, which is
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: one point two million dollars less than the threshold for
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: the next pay level for a CEO.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: So the CEO's pay level would.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Have been three hundred and fifty one thousand dollars a year,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: but it's been put down to three hundred and twenty
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: one thousand dollars because, as I said, they're one point
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: two million dollars short on the required income. Now, this
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: is upset the council members and they are all lobbying
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: for the Tribunal to set aside that decision and allow
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: the council to pay their CEO the three hundred and
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: fifty one thousand dollars that they would prefer. Now, this
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: is the reason that they've given to the tribunal.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Read it for you.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: The mayor and Monsau argued revenue had been abnormally low
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: because of a rates freeze during the COVID pandemic. If
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: they had raised rates, the income would have been fifty
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: six point four million dollars and qualified for.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: A higher salary for the CEO.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: The letter also listed unique complexities adding to the CEO's workload,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: expanding on arguments previously rejected by the tribunal, including that
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: the council operates in an environment of heightened external scrutiny,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: including regular media attention.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a minute.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Arguing for a higher salary limit to be reinstated, the
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: letter said the socioeconomic advantage of the area's residents translated
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: to a higher level of civic literacy and frequent use
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: of formal, statutory and legal processes. In other words, it's
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: a well educated electorate and they're more likely to make
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: formal complaints and go through legal processes. Therefore, the CEO
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: needs to be on it. But there's something they didn't include,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: at least in that little quote, and that is that
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: the counsellors themselves are arguing the CEO needs to be
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: paid a lot of money because the counselor in fighting
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: makes the job of CEO so difficult. In fact, the Council,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: by its own admission, has a well documented history of
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: council member dynamics that are incredibly challenging. There was a
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: report about this council last year that found it was
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: dysfunctional and psychologically unsafe and in urgent need of intervention.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: It's said that there was widespread division, incivility, dysfunction, and
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: verbal abuse. And the report last year recommended that the CEO,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Julia Grant, managed the behavior of counselors, except that quote
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: some of the councillors might not be receptive to such
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: behavioral management. That the councilors are so at odds with
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: each other that they've been banned from having dinner together
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: before council meetings.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: They have told where possible do.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Online meetings rather than in person, and they've also been
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: instructed when council meetings finish, you're not to loiter around
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: using the facilities. You are to go. And the amazing
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: thing to me is that the counselors are all saying, yes,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: this is true. And that's one of the reasons we
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: need to pay the CEO more because it's a tough
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: job managing all of us, so like a a toxic
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: marriage circus.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: This is this is a joke, right, This is an
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: absolute joke. This is what rate payers are paying for,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: this sort of absolute circus. Firstly, how tone deaf can
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: this council possibly be? In the middle of a cost
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: of living crisis. Their number one issue. Their number one
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: argument is, oh, well, our CEO needs a bigger pay
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: considering that she's on what three hundred and twenty one
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: Well, that's that's the most states, that's the most.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: But she's doing pretty good.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: But that's that's a bloody good wage in this day
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: and age three, you'd think so, I think that's that
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: you'd be stoked if you were on that. And just
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: to actually summarize all of this, basically their argument for
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: this is, oh, we're dealing with affluent people. That's the argument.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: We're dealing with affluent people, so we need more money.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Get a grip, Get a grip and just do your job.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Get back to rhades rates and rubbish.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: This is ridiculous because I think the previous paid deal
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: was about three hundred and twenty k. And they're basically saying, well,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: because the CAP's being brought down, we cannot now offer
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: a legitimate pay rise. And the last deal was done
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: on the basis that there may be a pay rise
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: as vida. It's interesting, but I'd say, who cares. I mean,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: the rate payers just want the job done. They want
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: the bins emptied and the pools maintained and the parks, etc.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: I think at an upper limit of three hundred and
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: twenty one k you can probably make that happen. Now,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: I will say because Burnside Council was one of the
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: councils I covered when I worked as a local government
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: reporter in Adelaide, and it is indeed beset with problems
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: and has been for decades. In fact, there was a
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: report to many years ago, the McPherson report. It was
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: written about problems at Burnside Council. Now I can't tell
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: you what's in it because it was suppressed and it
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: will never see the light of day. I'll show you
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: the report there was Ken mcpher's not Ja, but if
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: he's a relative of yours, see if you can get
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: hold of a copy of it, because there are a
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: few that have fallen off the backs of tracks, and
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: there's a pretty grizzly stuff written in it. Having said that, yes,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: indeed it is a council with lots of problems.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Knock your heads together and sort it out.
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's not a legitimate argument to go off
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: to the tribunal. The remuneration tribunal and say, well, it's
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: actually really difficult to run this council because we have
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: busybody residents and busybody counselors who can't work with each other.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, what do you think the job is?
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: For Heaven's sake, make life a little easier for your
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: chief executive.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: And maybe this won't be a problem.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Having said that, I don't envy the chief executive of
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Burne Side Council at times, having seen the stuff that
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: those chief executives.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: And if it's been going on since you were a
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: reporter there, what issues were you encountering when you were reporting.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Oh, look, it's just one of those counsels that just
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: constantly seems to have personality clashes. I mean, look, there
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: is stuff I could tell you about off air that
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: I can't talk about on air because it's contained in
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: the McPherson report and he's suppressed.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: I have seen the McPherson.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: All I'm saying is it's suppressed and I can't tell
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: you what's in it.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: But you know, it's a.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Council that's had a lot of problems over a lot
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: of years. And so yes, it is a hard job
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: being the CEO over there, even though some of the
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: chief executives of Burnside themselves have been caught up in
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: a bit of trouble. If you want to google it,
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: you can find that pretty easily.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: But it's none of it is an.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Excuse for why the CEO ought to be paid above
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: the bands that are set by the remuneration Tribunal.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: If you start doing that, everyone will do it.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: It sounds to be like they don't need a CEO,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: they need headmaster.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: This whole council needs to be just and redone clearly
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: because if it's having entrenched problems, knock it over and
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: start again.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Did my younger brother has just moved into the area.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: I might have to send him around to go to
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: some of the council meetings, get him to snoop for
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: the late check out what's going on. Too long time
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: since I've been to a Burnside council meeting. But you know,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: some of them used to be pretty entertaining. And I'll
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: tell you what else is entertaining, at least from a
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: funny viewpoint, but the reality of it is not that entertaining.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Over in the UK.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: Now, we've told you some of these stories before about
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: people you know who use all sorts of weird and
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: wacky excuses to say that they can't be deported from
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Britain back whence they came. These are criminals, by the way,
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: because you know, I don't know, I've got some problem
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: that I couldn't possibly go back where I come from,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: or go through a few of those in a minute,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: of course. One of the most famous ones is an
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Albanian bloke who was allowed to stay in the UK
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: because he said his child didn't like the taste of
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: the chicken nuggets in Albania. But the Telegraph in London
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: has done an analysis of the people who have been
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: released from jail who are foreign criminals, and it turns
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: out there are twenty thousand people walking around the UK
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: right now who are foreign criminals who have no right
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: to be in the UK, who are potentially facing deportation
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: but they haven't got around to doing it yet, and
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: forty percent of those people running cases to fight their deportations,
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: arguing that under Article eight of the European Convention on
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: Human Rights they cannot be taken back to the country
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: they came from because it would either be unsafe or
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: there's some other kind of mitigating factors. So let me
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: avail you of some of the cases that the Telegraph
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: has uncovered. Among these twenty thousand people who have no
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: right to be in the U United Kingdom. A sixty
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: year old Spanish drug dealer who was jailed for seven years,
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: who was allowed to stay in Britain because of his
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: ex partner's depression. A tribunal rule deportation would be quote
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: unquote disproportionate and would breach his articulate ECCHR rights because
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: of its impact on his ex partner.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: And near three children.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: Very sorry, your honor. The wife's a bit sad.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: I imagine she would be giving you a banged up
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: for seven years for being a drug dealer. I'm not
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: sure that gives you the right to stay in the country.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: What about this one, a Polish domestic abuser, exactly the
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: kind of bloke you want to stay around, who was
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: jailed for more than three years and deemed you have
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: a high risk of harm to children, but who's been
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: allowed to stay in Britain.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: So he compared his daughter.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: The tribunal ruled it would breach his articulate family rats
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: if he was deported again high risk of harm to children,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: but no, you can stay because it's against your rats
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: not to see your daughter. Or this one a Pakistani
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: drug dealer who was allowed to stay in Britain after
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: an immigration court heard it would enable him to teach
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: his son how to shave and quote talk to him
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: about things a mother could not. He won an appeal
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: that it would breach his articulate rights to a family
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: life if he was deported.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: Now, I'm glad that the courts.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Are now acknowledging in the UK that there are indeed
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: differences between mothers and fathers, and there are only some
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: things that fathers can do that mothers cannot. That's a
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: welcome development, but I mean, for goodness sake, twenty thousand
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: people who have no right to be in the country
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: are facing deportation. Who knows whether they will ever be deported,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: And the ones who they are trying to deport say well,
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I want to be able to teach my
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: son to shave, and they say yep, oh good buddy,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: you stay here.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: What about the Albanian you forgot? The at the top
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: mentioned that the chicken nuggets a son didn't.
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: Like the chicken mugs.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, is this seriously, where once great nations have
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: gone to like literally down the when their whole argument
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: is based off Albanian chicken nuggets and Pakistani shavers. I mean,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: that is not the basis for these people to be
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: staying in this country. And I worry for everyday Britz.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I worry for women and children who have to be
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: around these criminals.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Men.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: We're talking twenty thousand people at varying degrees of criminality,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: and I worry genuinely for the safety of the public
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: which is already at risk, given this is a country
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: which is being basically overrun now by illegal immigrants, and
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: many of them have committed a number of crimes in
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: the countries that they have come for. But it brought
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: me back to what we had here in Australia. I
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: mean we didn't have it to the extent of twenty thousand,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: but remember the High Court decision that caught the Labor
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Party off a whim. They certainly weren't prepared for the
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: fact that there were indeed foreign born criminals that were
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: released back into the public.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: We had murderers, rapists.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: You know, and others that were released and you had
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: the Labour Party quickly and frantically trying to deal with
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: NARU to ship them off, and then those people who
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: have gone to NARU are now trying to get compensation
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: out of labor, so again it's on the taxpayer.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: No matter which way you look at.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: It, it would seem that human rights law is being
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: stretched way beyond its intended purpose, and not just in
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: these instances. You had the case of Geelong Grammar and
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: the timber Top part of that school where some kids
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: were disciplined for nicking off in the middle of the night,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: and part.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Of the discipline was they had to sleep in.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: The tent on their own and parents are claiming the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: human rights are being abused. Surely the first responsibility of
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: ever any government is to keep your own citizens safe,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: and if you've got a foreign national who commits a crime,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: then deportation should be the default position, not something that's
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: argued in the courts endlessly, and especially not according to
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: human rights laws that have been concocted in Brussels.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: The other problem with.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: This is that if they don't enforce the law, and
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: severely in the case of criminal foreigners, all it does
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: is undermine everybody's confidence in the immigration system per se.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: And do we really believe that's what the UK needs
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: right now, That's the last thing they need. So ironically
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: this hurts migrants because those who are in the UK
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: legally and are all doing the right thing, they all
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: get shade cast on them because of the stupidity of
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: a few and the ridiculousness of the UK courts.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: I think we need to try the Albanian chicken nuggets
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: and see, indeed whether that case.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: Was justified or not.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Maybe there's something really awful about Albanian chicken nuggets. I
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, look who knows.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Before we go to a break, I want to ask
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: you a question. What do nuns and pronouns have in common?
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Absolutely nothing, and that is exactly the way that it
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: should be. But apparently not. There's Catholic nuns over in
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: New York who are caring for terminally ill cancer patients.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: They're facing legal harassment for not using preferred pronouns. Would
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: you believe because there's a law in New York actually
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: that protects this and apparently these women are under violation
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: under the fourteenth Books Amendment.
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: So they're part of this home.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: It's a forty two bed home, and they are in
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: breach of the Bill of Rights for LGBTIQ New Yorkers,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: and this is what that text stipulates that long term
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: care facilities must use patients preferred pronouns even when they're
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: not present, defer to the choice of bathroom, and refuse
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: to assign rooms based on biological sex. Staff must undergo
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: cultural competency training as well. Now, all of this violates
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: the sisters consciousnessness, but failure to do so could actually
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: cost some thousands of dollars in fines.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: Now, I've got a lot of problems with this.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: We are in a society right now when Catholic nuns
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: are caring for the terminally ill, the sick, and the poor,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: and then they have to go against their own consciousness
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: because of woke nonsense and woke ideology ahead of proper
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: medical care. And that is a concern because we have
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: to put proper medical care first, because if people don't
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: get proper medical care, then.
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: That should be a breach of a law in itself.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Yet, because of the wrong pronouns being used, these poor
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: nuns are being taken to this tribunal and they're fighting.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Back that their Christian faith is not the problem here.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: The Christian faith is the reason they're providing palliative care
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: for cancer patients who are uninsured and or unable to
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: financially provide for their own medical care. So these nuns
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: should be assisted at every point rather than have obstacles
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: placed in the way. And this is a clear case
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: of the government preferring to focus on ideology even above
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: the care of cancer patients, because the government would rather
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: this Catholic facility be deregistered and unable to care for
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: anybody than that the Catholics might maintain a Christian view
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: of gender and sexuality.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: And it's just the typical case of the bureaucracy letting
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: the perfect be the enemy of the good. Everything has
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: to be followed to the letter by the rules because
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: we've decided that's what the rules are.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: And you break those rules, you're in trouble. You know.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: I get the ideological reasons that they want to do that,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: but wouldn't you also just scratch your chin for a
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: moment and ago, Actually no, I think people who are
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: dying and don't have a lot of money or to
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: receive some care, even if shock, horror and none doesn't
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: use preferred pronouns, which would you rather we seem to
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: have the answer.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately. Indeed, we're going to go to a break.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll what it's making headlines tomorrow,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: including Matt Kean accused of using his position on the
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Climate Authority incorrectly and the more ademing scandal.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: If you think it's calming down, you are wrong. Wait
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: till you see tomorrow's papers. That's next.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Well, welcome back to the program. Let's take a look
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: at what's making headlines tomorrow.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: We'll start with the Daily Telegraph, where the headline reads
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: cop a load of this. The chairman of the Albanzy
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: government's Climate Change Authority, Matt Key, has been accused of
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: using taxpayer funded travel to the COP thirty summit in
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Brazil to advance the interests of the wealthy private firm
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: he works for.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Matt Kean, a former New South Wales Treasurer, was appointed
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: to lead the Climate Change Authority by the Albanezy government
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: in June twenty twenty four.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: A couple of months.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Later, he started working for a climate investment firm as
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: their director of Strategic Relationships.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: To be fair to Matt Kean, he did check with
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen and Chris Bowen said.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not a problem, just make sure you do the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: right thing.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: In February of this year, there was a review of
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: the carbon credit scheme that Matt Kean had to excuse
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: himself from because of a potential conflict of interest. Now,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: the accusation is that while he's at the International Climate Conference,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: he's been using that to establish some business contacts and
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: sprook his other enterprise.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: And that would be a problem if indeed that's what
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: you were doing. And this would apply to any public
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: servant or whatever who is using public money to go
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: on a trip to advance the interests of the country.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: I advance the speaking, you know what I mean. If
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: you're then using the resources that have been provided to
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: you by the taxpayer, as is outlined in these allegations,
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: to advance personal and business interests, you've got a problem now.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: It might be in these sorts of cases that you
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: half fund it yourself for the business half funds it,
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: and then the government funds the other half, because you
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: are indeed going to do work for the government. But
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's tenable to have the government basically
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: paying for a situation where you then also do private
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: work on the side.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: No, I completely agree with you, because that does make
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: it a conflict. But can I also say, gosh, I'm
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: so sick to death of the taxpayer having to fund
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: these ridiculous trips to these climate summits around the world
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: on the jet field engine. Of course, you know, isn't
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: that what they all discuss about, how they can stop
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: the jet field.
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: Engines from creating all the carbon emissions.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: So seriously, stop wasting taxpayers money. Let's take a look
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: at the Herald Son tomorrow. James mentioned before the break
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: this more redeeming story. It's not going anywhere front page,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: no apology now, deeming turns on Wilson. Liberal MP moy
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: redeeming has sensationally turned on leader Jess Wilson and party officials,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: accusing them of public pack bullying over the handling of
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: her dismissed assault claims against against Matthew Guy. She's also
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: refused to apologize to mister Guy.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: This just gets.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Worse at a time when the Liberal Party are in
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: the box seat to win the next election, finally ridding
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Victoria of that dreadful labor government. We've got the Liberal
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Party talking about themselves once again. I personally think that
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: it's at the stage where unless Moy Redeeming does come out,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: either one explain herself or to apologize, this is not
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: going anywhere anywhere.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: The only interesting part of this story is that apparently
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: One Nation have washed their hands of More Redeeming as well,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: not just because of this, but also she had given
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: an undertaking that she would join One Nation when she
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: was deregistered from the Liberal Party or disendorsed rather, and
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: then when the Liberal Party changed their mind, More Redeeming
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: changed her mind and remained in the Liberal Party rather
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: than defecting.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: So One Nation have said that.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Plus this equals not interesting things.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: There's nothing good for the Liberal Party here at all,
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: is there? Like it is just bad news. And she's
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: now suggesting that, you know, people within the party, officials
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: within the party had told her to go and make
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: this complaint. Who exactly that is, we don't know. She's
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: also saying that she misunderstood the definition of a headlock.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: Who doesn't know what a headlock is.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: This is just getting worse and worse, And every day
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: that this stays on the front page is a day
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: that they're giving a free kick to labor and they
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: do not deserve that.
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: It's not good at all.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Also on the front page, baby target of hate Victorian
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: MP's reveal horrific anti Semitic and sexualized abuse aimed at
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: them and their newborn child. Victorian MP Georgie Purcell has
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: unveiled a shocking file of sexualized abuse aimed at her family,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: including her six month old baby. Her explosive twenty two
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: page submission to the Royal Commission on Anti Semitism and
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Social Cohesion includes dozens of examples of the online attacks
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: against her and her Jewish partner, whose Federal Labor MP
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Josh Burns, and their daughter, including comments about starving her baby.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is just absolutely horrific. And another example.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know that Georgie is not Jewish, but
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: obviously Josh Burns is one of the most senior figures
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: in Labor who is a very proud Jewish Man, and
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: another example of the types of threats that are still
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: being thrown around to Jews in this country.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: The irony is that Georgie Purcell has been quite an
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: outspoken supporter of Palin yes and reasonably critical of Israel.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: So that's the irony.
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: Here that she's now made a submission.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: And her crime seems to be of marrying a Jewish
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: woman and having a baby British man, a bar Mary
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Jewish man.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Rather it is Victoria and.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: User of James.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: So I don't think they're married either. I think I
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: think they've been a child together. But while we're on
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: this theme, on the front of the Australian to borrow it,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: says the Lowey Manifesto to crush anti Semitism, Prominent business
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: leader Stephen Lowe has called for dedicated police to protect
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Jewish Australians and national service for young people to counter
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: an unrelenting torrent of anti Semitism. In searing testimony to
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: the Bondai Massaca Royal Commission. The far reaching recommendations covering security,
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: education and social media came as the former Westfield co
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: Chief executive and Jewish community figure revealed his family faced
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: fifteen hundred anti Semitic threats a month. Mister Lowie told
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism and Social Cohesion the
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Jewishustralians had long been marginalized, but that the targeted hatred
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: towards them had become more dangerous and wide spread and
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: now I suppose the idea of police protection for Jewish
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: people who are being threatened, not too many people would
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: have a problem with that. The idea of national service, though,
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: I think, will cause a few more tongues to wag,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: because you know, I understand where he comes from and saying,
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: obviously we need to sort of encourage people to have
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: some connection to their country and support their country, et cetera.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: But I suspect there be a lot of people unhappy
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: with that idea.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Why do you think they'll be unhappy just because.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: Well, the idea of national service is just controversial because
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: it's basically sayingle stuff that you know, you're forced to
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: do something. Essentially, you know, we gave up on those
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: ideas a long time ago. But if it opens up
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: the conversation, let's have it.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: What I thought was interesting about that article is the
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: revelation that Jewish groups spend one hundred million dollars a
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: year in this country just protecting themselves. Which other group
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: would be expected to put up with that. The Career
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Mail headline reads, cyber Cop crackdown. Australia's cyber safety watchdog
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: will be given police like powers to seize documents from
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: tech giants as the country's social media age limit ramps up.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: New laws introduced to Parliament yesterday, that is today, we'll
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: give the e Safety Commissioner world leading powers to compel
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: social media companies to comply with the under sixteen ban
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: or face fines of ninety nine million dollars.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: So the ban is not really working.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: A new South Newcastle University report recently found eighty five
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: percent of kids under sixteen, so they're still using social media,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: so they're done.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: We'll tell you that kids aren't done.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: No, but the government are doubling down the let's any
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: more power?
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: Right, that's right, all right?
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, we've got Dope of the Day.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: We've got Superwoman, and we've got a rocker.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Who really should retire. All of that next, all right.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: The new Actually, I'm not going to talk about Supergirl.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I've got to talk about Dope of the Day first.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry Caylein.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: Got Supergirl on the brain over to you.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I was so cool.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: The day. Over the day I think would be James mcphirst,
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: the big guy, Frank Sorry, he's got bloody Supergirl on
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: the brain.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: He has some weird obsessions.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: This chap.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know how he wrote the McPherson report even
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: all those things to worry about. But over in Adelaide,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: well we're doing at the mcperson report. And there is
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: a bar in Adelaide called Haynes and Coke.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: Great bar.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: Used to go there quite a bit when I was
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: in Adelaide. To still go there when I pop into
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: the joint, great place. You want to have a cigar.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: By the way, you'll find Paul Murray there if he
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: is in Adelaide. But they have in the bar this
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: old diver's helmet. One hundred years old diver's helmet.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: It's been stolen. You've ever see the footage here.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Of someone going in because they've someone have been playing
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: with the helmet, so they removed it from the bar.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: Someone then goes into presumably the kitchen or whatever, wraps
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: it up in a shirt and walks out with this thing.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: What's it?
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Thinks they'd be able to go, I'm just going to
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: take a hundred year old helmet. No One's going to
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: notice that I've done that, So the bar put it up.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Hanes and Coprad on social media someone has now returned, thankfully.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: Is the good news?
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: But I thought it would be a good excuse anyway
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: to show you this image, because I have indeed warned.
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: That helly, you got the women, and there you are.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: That photo was taken in the morning, by the way,
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: Caleb on a date.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: There was some sort of sour cocktail and at about
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: ten thirty in the morning, with an old helmet on
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: the head.
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: So Haleb on a day, that's how he pulls them.
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: To show you my helmet.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: How long ago was that calor it.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Was twenty eighteen, That photo was six years ago.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: The entire reason we did that story is so you
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: could show you. All right, I've been dying to talk
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: about Supergirl. The movie is coming to cinemas very soon.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: If you're the star actress in Supergirl having finished filming,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: you've only got one job. Promote the movie and try
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: not to be woke.
• 48:13
  Speaker 9: I have many queer friends, so honestly, I'm kind of honest.
• 48:17
  Speaker 9: I think because she doesn't live inside the binary of
• 48:20
  Speaker 9: what we think a woman should be, that that is
• 48:23
  Speaker 9: what makes her so special and so exciting.
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: And so new.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: And now you know why a movie that needs four
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: hundred million dollars to break even got just thirty eight
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: million dollars at opening.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: It's going to.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Disaster, absolute disaster. I wonder why if that's not a
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: warning to Hollywood. Well, nothing is now. Barry Manilow eighty
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: three year old Kroner. He's still rocking away, touring the
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: US with his hits like Mandy and the Coba Cabana.
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: But maybe it's time to give it up good grief.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Aside from the fact he was clearly lip syncing, he
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: looks like he's been attacked by bees on his way
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: to his twentieth facelift.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: Leave the man, he does, Come on, give it up.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: I love Barry Menlock.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: I'm got a mate who's been to fifty three Barry
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: Manlo concerts.
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: Why there's a step because he loves Barry Manlin. There's
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: a step for you, and you're not gay.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: That's what we've got time for stick around is the
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Reader Pendery Show.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: That's next.