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Yoreh De’ah 234:55-62. Vows: Annulling, If Personal Suffering or Uncomfortable, or Affects the Husband or Father · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK, good morning. We are Eljos Nadarian Resh Lamid
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  Dalid. Nun.
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  Hey, just turn the recording. We're on day eight of the
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  Mahama. We should continue seeing
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  tremendous miracles out of self. OK, Nun.
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  Hey, Elu Nadarian Shahabal, Meifer.
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  Nadarian Shesh now, right now we're talking about the husband
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  doing Hafaris Nadarim. We will get to the father later.
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  OK, So regarding the husband, he's only able to do Hafar
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  Nadarim on Nadarim that have Inui nephesh, there's an element
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  of her personal suffering. Now Inui nephesh, it could be
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  big or small. It doesn't matter if it's for a
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  short term, long term, right? Even one day we're going to see,
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  but there has to be an an element of personal suffering.
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  Oh, or well, I don't have it doesn't I don't have the words.
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  Oh, but it is. That's what it means.
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  Oh, Devarian Shabeno la vena or anything that is affects the
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  husband. It affects the two of them
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  together. OK, now we're going to read the
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  numerous cases going forward in the chalk Anarath about this.
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  Just FYI, the there is a mahlokas tenayam amarayam
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  Vishoni on certain various issues that are discussed,
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  what's considered inui nefesh and what's considered benola
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  vena. But let's basically we're going
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  to see the Masukana in the Shahana, OK, right.
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  Not everything is so clear which way it falls, but OK, one second
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  version of Elish and nadaiam shesh behem inui nefesh isha
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  matiri inla mutarez bahen la Ola.
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  OK, So there is a difference though.
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  There's enough kamina if it's there's an Eno E nefesh or if
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  it's an item that's another, that's benola vena.
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  OK, that makes a difference. And if it's neither, then the
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  husband has no jurisdiction. Ataras nadarian.
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  And we'll see about the father shortly.
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  OK, now, so the one of the difference is if it's inoi
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  nefesh. So then it applies once he does
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  hafara, it applies for him, it applies for others, it applies
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  forever. OK, well divine shabinola vina
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  in atara El atsum. But if it's an item that only
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  effects, it's an item between the two of them, right between
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  the relationship. So then the halafa is the hafara
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  only works enough for him because it's Benola Bena.
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  So it only works. We're going to see an example.
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  It only works for him. Kozman sheesh Lobo to Ellet.
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  Whenever there he benefits from it.
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  As soon as he stops benefiting from it, then it's no longer.
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  Then the nether becomes hooligan and it becomes applicable again.
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  And she's obligated to keep it to Heinen Kozman, Shahid Taktav,
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  for example, as long as they remain married, or even a bit
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  more, or even if they get divorced, It's still the hafara,
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  still works. And she doesn't have to keep the
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  Nether because there's still a potential connection between the
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  two of them. They can still remarry Cole,
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  right? Cole.
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  She can still return to him, but as soon as she gets married to
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  somebody else. So then the master Gruchasso is
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  aser you. He can no longer remarry her.
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  And then it's about Akashitinase Khalha Neder, Gamladide.
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  So then then that Neder is khal again, another right?
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  The Hafar disappears or is no longer binding.
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  The Hafar doesn't work. The Neder comes back in place.
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  There was never a Hatara MI ikaro la Mafreya going backwards
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  in time. There was only a severing as
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  long as they're together or it's applicable to the two of them.
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  And then it could even be binding on him later on.
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  Like if the Nether had something to do with benefiting from him.
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  So when you did the Hafara, it's us, then she could benefit from
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  him. But then once she remarries,
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  then this is it's no, she's no longer able to benefit from him,
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  OK. Or vice versa, whatever the
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  nether was OK when the Darin Shane behem Eno Ena.
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  Like we said, if it's neither, then the husband can not do
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  Hafaras and Darin the husband cannot do hafarah on any letter
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  that he feels like it has to be has to fall into one of these
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  two categories. OK, nunvaf ABBA al NASA shalia
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  lihisha El Al nidre ishto. Now here we take here we're
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  talking about the husband doing Hataras Nidarian.
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  This is not Hafarah. He wants to do Hataras Nidarian
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  for his wife. Can he do that?
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  So he's allowed to In other words, even without, I believe,
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  even without discussing with her because Ishtoke Gufo.
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  So actually without even discussing it with her husband,
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  she I believe she he can go as a Shalia to a basin of three
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  people and do Hattaras Nadarim for her.
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  OK, certainly if she if she wants it, OK, I'm not positive,
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  but OK, let's go on. But the idea is he's able to be
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  a Shalia because Shalukho can also because for her only for
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  her. Normally Ishaliyah does not work
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  but for her it works because Ishtoka Gufa Ubilvach and
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  Matsash Lucia Makubaksim. Now a technicality is he can
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  only do this attarasandarian for her if it's he finds three
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  people ready to go of all who LO you kept saying he finds three
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  people together. They just have to tell three
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  people let's do it. Taras Nadarian and it's for my
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  wife and This is why because you have to say what it's for and
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  then they can do it. But he cannot go around one
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  person at a time and start the gathering 3 people.
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  Because when you start walking around and looking for people
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  one at a time, then she might then she might not want it.
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  Then we say, 'cause she's going to be, she's going to be
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  embarrassed that people find out about it.
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  So therefore, obviously you can't do, I don't think you can
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  do it if she doesn't want the question, is this right?
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  Do you have to ask her ahead of time or not?
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  But if you know she's not going to want it to be done, then
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  you're not allowed to do it. OK, right.
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  This is a case of Atar santarian, not Hafar.
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  Fine, fine, Let's go on to an enzyme.
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  Eina baal midstarif IM shnaim lahater nidre Ishto Bilashan
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  hatara. Now can let's say the wife wants
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  to do a Tara sadarium. So she needs three guys, right?
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  3A basin. Can her husband be on that
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  basin? So because Ishto Kagufo, he's
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  not able to, but a father could be on the basin to do a taras
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  nadarium for his daughter. OK, 'cause there's no
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  Ishtokagufo by a father. So Karl is not a soul, but it's
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  Karl is is there's no soul of a Karl over here.
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  It's not proper based in the Vegas.
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  The same person can't be on residents.
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  So Ishtokagufo, that's what you're saying, right?
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  The father is not Ishtokagufo. The husband is OK, nunhat yesh
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  omrin. OK, there's there are some who
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  say Shagama of Eno Mayfair Nadarim Abraham Inui nephesh
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  that a father cannot do Hafara unless there's also Inui
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  nephesh. That's what it means.
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  A father could only do Hafaras nadarim if there is Inui nephesh
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  also. And this is no, here's the well,
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  you know, I'll keep reading and then we'll come right back to
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  it. OK, so that's the first opinion,
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  right? That only if there's inu
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  enoughesh, the father can do it. Benola bena does not apply to a
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  father and he can't do a far off for any nether that he feels
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  like that has to have inu enoughesh.
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  This is the Rambam sheeta. There is an opinion that says
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  you are allowed to. In other words, based on the
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  Pasa ko Nadariya that a father is able to do because it only
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  has the lushan of inui nephesh in the Pasak by a husband.
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  So the Rambam writes there's no connection, there's no heckish.
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  A husband has to have Inui nephesh for it to be able have
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  the jurisdiction. But a father can do it for any
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  nether, any nether that she makes, even though there's no
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  inui and it's he's still able to do it.
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  Then yesh me shekhilek. And there is one opinion that
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  does try and reconcile the two That's urbane or you feel
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  because here this, I will basically say this.
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  There's a Sifri and then there's a everyone quotes that you were
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  Xiaomi as well. The wrong mom apparently didn't
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  have that you were Xiaomi, but there's a Sifri and you were
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  Xiaomi that makes a hackish that compares a bottle to a husband
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  and so that whatever. So since a husband is Yeah and
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  whenever so it's the same halafa, same halafa that would
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  just like a husband can only do hafaras nadarim on nadarim that
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  have inoi nefesh or benola vena. So to a father can only do
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  hataras nadarim if there's inoi nefesh or benola vena.
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  The rush there are Khashoghan natas.
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  They also they all say that included in inoi, just like inoi
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  nefesh. It's also he can also that
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  because there are things that get in between a father and a
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  daughter, right? OK, obviously they don't have
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  the same relationship as a husband, it's obvious, but they
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  still have a relationship and there are things that still get
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  in the way of the two of them. So anyway, so that's the so so
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  that's the hackish of the Sifri and the Yurushalmi and that's
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  the halafa. That's Sikir halafa according to
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  the Shalkhanarak, according to the Basiosef himself and the
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  Baedeka Bait, the Shah, the Grafa Shalfan and all.
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  Here let me just finish reading and I'll just have a little
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  interesting little tidbit here on this Yeshmi Shamatyar.
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  And this is a Yeshmi shamatyar, a yeshmi shahilek.
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  Now normally the alafa is when it's a yesh umrim and then a
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  yeshmi, it's usually a group of alibis like here, it's the it's
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  the rush, the ran the Rambam and then we have two Das Yehidim.
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  And so usually the alafa follows the Yesh Almir.
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  That's some wonder why he didn't start off with stung but OK
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  without without saying Yesh almi.
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  Anyways, Vieshemi Shahilek. And some want to reconcile to
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  say that they're both right because the Rambam said it's
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  only a sifri and nowhere in the gomara you shalmi or babli is
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  there is there any such heckesh? So he wants to say that it's
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  it's not the halafa. Fine.
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  So anyways, how do we try and reconcile the two opinions?
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  Vieshemi Shahilek Shakodem Shanid arsa maefer ko nandarea
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  of Ahmed Arsa Ulmeta Arus vejas al Russo as anal maefer al and
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  nidre inui nefesh. So just in short, he tries to
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  make a distinction that one opinion is correct before they
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  get before she gets engaged. Once she gets engaged and let's
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  say the husband dies or something, the right the engaged
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  husband dies. So then he then you can only
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  have jurisdiction on the level of Inui nephesh, whether it's
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  sometimes it's this way and sometimes it's this way.
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  The the bureaucrats says on this opinion, the anal Klum doesn't
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  really doesn't count for anything anyways.
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  But if you look in the the Basiosaf, I believe says
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  something a little bit similar. Each opinion does not.
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  It's just interesting how this third opinion tried to reconcile
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  because if you look at each opinion, the Rambam and then the
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  other is shown him at the SIPRI, they don't seem to have any kind
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  of a distinction. Yeah, while he's an artist and
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  they did the two of them together.
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  But when it's the father alone, again, there doesn't seem to be
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  any kind of it's always that the husband, the father has the same
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  jurisdiction as the husband in this, in this detail or never.
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  It's always the same. It's always different to the
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  same, but there's no, no one writes that the transfers in the
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  after after getting engaged, that the halacha changes after
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  getting engaged. Except, yeah, but this is not a
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  real sheet. Then this, this last sheet is
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  not a real sheet then. It's an opinion that came up way
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  after everybody else and is just trying to reconcile the two
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  different opinions. It's not like he knows himself.
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  What's the Edgar Halacha anyway? He's a the opinion is is is a
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  huge style in the heart on a region, but that's not it's not
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  a a a McCourt. OK, anyway, he's entitled to his
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  opinion, but fine, So fine, let's go on to known text as a
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  hood Vanshesh Behem Inoi Navish. Now, what are examples of things
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  that have inoi Navish? OK, so what's an example?
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  So that's to affect the person personally comfort Kegon Rahiza,
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  such as bathing, bathing one's body, one's face.
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  This is enoli nefesh. So if a woman makes a neder and
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  Enoli and rahiza he can they can do how far fine the key shoot
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  keyhole empiricus or if a person adorns themselves with with
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  makeup. Keyhole is generally considered
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  eye eye makeup. Pyric was either perished
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  Sevilla to say ah, it's either referring to dyeing one's hair
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  or it's often also referred to as facial makeup.
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  OK, and I believe the same would apply to jewelry.
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  OK, I think I saw one person mention that but I couldn't find
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  it. So kishut here primarily seems
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  if you look in the run, it seems to primarily refer to makeup,
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  but no one discusses it at length.
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  Kishut usually in in khazaal usually refers to jewelry, but
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  sometimes refers to makeup. So it's but I believe it's the
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  same Allah in this case. OK, it gone Shanish Bah shalut.
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  We'll see an interesting thing when we get to Hoka savelas that
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  comes up there. But if you do a little search on
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  anyway in in Khazal, you'll see it's it could go either way.
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  But usually it is jewelry like you said to go on Shanish Bah
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  shalut or shalut crochet or if she makes a shavua that I'm not
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  going to bathe myself anymore ever or I'm not going to earth,
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  even if it be for one day. We're about to see if she says
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  I'm not going to bathe or I'm not going to wear jewelry.
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  I'm not going to put on makeup. However you want to translate
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  it. Oh, Shyamrah Hanat Rahitza Vicki
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  shoot Ally or I'm going to make I'm going to make a from getting
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  Hana from bathing or putting on makeup.
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  If I'm going to bathe or if I'm going to bathe or if I'm going
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  to but on makeup, I'm not going to get enough from it.
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  Afilu little taalta ellebera feets of Akisha Chauhayom, even
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  if she makes it only for now, This can go either one day we're
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  going to see that Alaka is Neville for one day.
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  If a person makes himself uncomfortable for one day,
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  that's enough to be enoy Nafish. All right.
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  And the husband has jurisdiction.
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  I think she does to herself, but it has to affect the husband.
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  OK. It doesn't matter.
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  It's under the category of Inuya fish and and that's more
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  powerful because then it makes it much more binding.
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  So if it's going to be both we care about Inuya fish more.
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  Might get some rights to. No, no, it's because of Inuya
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  fish. That's all you need.
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  You need one or the other and even if even if it wouldn't be
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  an issue of if it's she has the rights, it makes no difference.
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  OK anyways. So even if she makes it so that
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  she doesn't get a Rahiz or Akisha just for even if she made
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  it just for one day, that's if she you know, I'll keep reading
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  like if the Tanai was for one day.
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  But so even if it's only for one day that she made it tonight of
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  not doing Rakita, not doing Kishut, and it could be that she
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  won't take a shower that day or put on make up that day and
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  it'll never affect it. The the nether was on tonight of
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  this one day and still have a inui nefesh.
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  It's still inui nefesh of one day, right?
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  Even if the Tanayi's for one day or if she makes sense sure not
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  to put it on for one day. Either way it's inu nephesh
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  alphabisha enchal haneder El aliyon.
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  Even if the nether is only for one day, it's still inui nephesh
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  and the husband still has jurisdiction.
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  The yeesh omring there is an opinion it's the Ramba.
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  There are heats of the Kishutavi.
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  Dwarin should be no la vena. That's this category of bathing
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  and jewelry or makeup falls under the category of Venola
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  vena, right? So we know that we learned that
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  the the NAF Kamina Haga Nicole Zamari, Ella Bikishu Tapani.
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  And what kind of makeup are we talking about?
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  If it's not a facial makeup, right, or something that's about
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  Kishu Chamata. But if it's makeup or jewelry in
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  the private areas, right? So no one sees it except for the
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  husband for Kuli Alma. So then everyone agrees, Aloha,
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  they rocked varying Shabeno Labena because that has nothing
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  to do, I think right when a woman goes out on the street, so
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  she has to have self esteem. So all these things affect her
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  if other people are also going to see it.
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  So that's the Rock. That doesn't make sense of that.
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  OK, OK, OK. Yeah, some people.
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  Yeah, there's a couple of different gears.
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  It's fine. But that.
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  Yeah, but that's what it means. Fine.
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  Let's go on to the next one. Yeah.
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  And so everyone holds the halakhas.
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  Not like Duramba. I'm like the first opinion.
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  Rakita and Keisha Dal. The post can say that's the
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  halakhas. OK, we'll be showing him the
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  Khule Samer Amra. If she says Konam Pero Salam
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  Alai, she makes a neder that fruits of the world sounds like
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  all the fruit right are answer to me.
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  So here it's important in order for it to be called right.
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  You learned that a woman anyone makes a neder called Pharaoh
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  tell I with the word all, then that includes all food,
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  basically even meat. And so therefore it's not called
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  right because a person can't live like that.
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  So the only way is it. Either she says payroll to Olam
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  Alai without the word coal or if she were to say the word coal
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  payroll to Olam Alai then it would have to be a Shiva just
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  for one day. That's what the post been
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  pointed out. OK but OK.
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  Oh afilo payroll Medina ahas or if she said the payroll of one
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  particular city or country is answer to her by filo Astra
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  aleha pirochal ish ekhad levago where she says it's aser the
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  pirot of this one person Javi inui nefesh.
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  So the Allaha counts this as inui nefesh.
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  But filo Eno kevani even if it's not a store person who sells it
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  because at the end of the day, it might get to her and she
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  might need this food and she might suffer without eating.
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  But not eating the food is also considered inui nefesh.
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  So if you're going to answer yourself and then you might get
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  stuck that you have to buy from this person.
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  So therefore, even though it's a it's potential, it's it's
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  classified under inui nefesh and the husband could do kaduafara
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  al harambam in a melodvarian should be no levena.
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  Now this it was pair out at all the fruit of the world.
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  So then the Rambo would agree that affects him, but would
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  agree that it's it's Ino enough fish, correct?
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  That's what I mean. It's Ino enough fish.
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  That's what I'm saying. But anyways, but the latter
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  cases, it's just Benola Vena because then otherwise he has
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  the trouble to get it from somewhere else and it's becomes
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  a hassle for him. But it's not necessarily enough
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  fish. But Ino enough fish because she
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  can get it from somewhere else. It just becomes a hassle for him
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  to get it. OK anyways.
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  But basically any food that becomes Ino enough fish,
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  Lahalaka, OK, sameh al afilo najrami mean shuhuralla.
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  Let's say there's a certain food, she might enjoy it.
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  She doesn't dislike it. At least that's how the points
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  it explains it quoted also by the berreita.
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  It's it's let's say it's detrimental for her health.
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  I don't know, sugar, whatever it is, what a lot of us eat every
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  day and consume it's it might not be good for her, right?
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  But below and she but she still likes it below Tom out and she
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  never tasted it. So she doesn't not like it.
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  So therefore have a Inui nafish Nafish since it's something that
• 22:54
  she she might she enjoys or might enjoy.
• 22:57
  So therefore it's also under Inui Nafish.
• 23:00
  Let's do one of the ones on, but Natasha Latila Labeta Avel she
• 23:04
  makes another that she's not going to go to a base Ava, a
• 23:07
  House of mourning all the base Amisha.
• 23:09
  It's like to a Hassana or maybe a bar mitzvah party, whatever it
• 23:12
  is. Oh, but certainly a wedding of
• 23:16
  the base Aviya Vima or she's not going to go to her parents house
• 23:21
  or she'll look Taylor or she's not going to go playing musical
• 23:26
  instruments or she'll only show her she's not going to sing.
• 23:29
  You tell her she Can't Sing anymore.
• 23:31
  She makes such an edit oshiloli shmoa koshir, she makes an edit
• 23:34
  that she's never going to listen to music or someone singing have
• 23:38
  nidre inui nafesh. These are all things that hurt
• 23:42
  person emotionally affect them and it's suffering and therefore
• 23:46
  they're all under the category of Nunui Nafesh.