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Nick Fuentes x Andrew Tate x Myron Gaines Debate/ My Mic broke this episode · America Unfiltered With James P

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And I'm with you 100%. I just would say the there, I'm
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sure there's some gripers that are saying something like that.
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I would call that wignat this like chest beating.
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Oh, it's because I'm white. They're keeping the white man
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down. You know, they are keeping the
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white man down. But we have to be worthy of our
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ancestors as white men and say we don't need permission.
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We don't need to ask for permission.
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We're not going to let them get in our way.
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They're going to do bullshit to us.
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But we have to find a way to overcome, I guess where I would
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diverge slightly because I hear this all the time and, and
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directionally, I suppose I agree.
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But you know, when you talk about the birth rates, you're
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100% right that the birth rates are a problem.
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The white people are not having kids.
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And if the white people don't have kids, it's over.
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We're going to be replaced. And I hear people say this to me
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all the time. They say you need to have kids.
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And I plan on doing that. I plan on getting married and
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having kids at some point. I guess where I would depart
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even from my fellow white people who say this is that there is
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something structural happening where I don't believe the answer
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is that we're going to tell ourselves we all need to start
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having kids. Because how many people are even
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political? How many people are aware of the
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white genocide? How many people are going to
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have kids as a response to this problem?
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It's a very, very tiny number. And it's not to say that we
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shouldn't contribute to the solution, but it is to say that
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we, we fundamentally must engage in politics.
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It's sort of like chess. You know, all the pawns could
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simultaneously wake up one day and say we need to have more
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white babies, we need to have kids.
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I think that's highly unlikely. We need to strike at the king.
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We need a regime. We need to engage in politics.
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And I don't just mean like voting.
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I mean, we need to become resourceful, influential, rich,
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run media, be entrepreneurs, you know, pay politicians to run for
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office. And we need to use politics to
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change society. Because when you look at the
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strategy of like the Jews as an example, they're 2% of the
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population, but they have this extraordinary influence.
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That's because they go for the locus of power.
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They're in LA, they're in New York City, they're in DC.
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These are the most powerful cities in the world.
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They're in San Francisco, they're in El Segundo.
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They're striking at the locus of power.
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And from the locus of power proceeds the cultural standards,
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proceeds these dominant narratives in the education
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system from academia. And so I'm really a believer not
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in as much saying, oh, white people in general need to have
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more kids. Certainly that's a good thing.
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But it's more like I want the most brilliant elite human
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capital, the smartest, richest, best white people, to become as
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powerful as possible, take over the institutions, and from the
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institutions promulgate a message of fertility, racial
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solidarity, national solidarity, and national consciousness.
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That's kind of where I'm at. And I don't think you'd even
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disagree, but it's just kind of like going a little step further
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on that. No, I agree with you actually
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completely. And culture is the driving force
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behind all things. You know, I often comment on
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white people, black people. I'm in a unique position because
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I am a race mix individual, which pisses off a large
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percentage of the Internet. But this is how I was born and
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that's how it goes. And there's not much I can do
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about it. But I would argue besides
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yourself, there's probably no one else with a platform as
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large as mine who speaks up for white people ever ever.
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And one of the problems with extreme right wing white people
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is we have this infinitely divisible, constantly searching
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for more and more based to the point where no matter how much
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you do for them or try to help them, you're going to eventually
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not be based enough for them. And this is seen amongst white
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people in general. If we removed all the black
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people from Western civilization today, within 30 years the
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Germans would be fighting the Italians again.
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I mean, that's what happened only 30 or 40 years ago.
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The Irish and English were blowing each other up, and now
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Ireland and England's both full of asylum seekers from the
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boats. It's kind of crazy when you
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think about it. So this infinitely divisible,
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this constant search for the more and more based version, I
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actually think in some ways subverts the whole movement.
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The movement you've launched is so fantastic.
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The cultural effect you've had is also fantastic.
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But the biggest threat to the movement is not going to be
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external, it's going to be internal.
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And there is a percentage of people, no matter what I say in
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defense of you, in defense of white people, in defense of
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Western civilization, come along and say, because my dad is
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black, who was a chess genius by the way, he's the only reason
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I'm even smart, that I'm a piece of shit and I need to be kicked
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out or I need to die or whatever.
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And I don't care because truthfully, I think it's
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hilarious. But when you have these cartoon
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and on accounts constantly going to a deeper and deeper level of
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everyone's a Jew, everything is this, everything is that, and
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they can't even get along with somebody who is clearly on their
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side in the larger fight. This is how you're going to end
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up losing the fight in the long run.
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And I think that's where some of the problem comes from, which
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again, is not even your fault, but that's the problem with that
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movement on as a whole. And I'm going to say one thing
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from a personal perspective, I do feel like there is a degree
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of ungratefulness. Once again, this is not your
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fault, but there's an ungratefulness amongst people
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and an ungratefulness amongst the Internet.
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I remind the Internet on October 8th, against all legal advice, I
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told Piers Morgan it was a genocide.
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I stuck up and was anti Israel on Piers Morgan on October 8th
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before it was cool on the Internet.
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Very much like you now, everybody does it.
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You did it before it was cool. I did it before I was cool.
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anti-Semitism is a crime in Europe.
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They put me back on house arrest.
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I was locked in my house for 11 months because of what I said on
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a podcast and now they turn up and tweet underneath that I'm a
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Jew. And I just think if that's how
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we're going to operate as a movement, we're only ever going
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to be a laughingstock to our enemies.
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And I agree with you about the locus of power.
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You're completely correct. And I think it's a multi faceted
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attack. But we have to be very careful
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here because if I owned a farm and all the sheep worked out
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that I had a slaughterhouse and all they did all day was say
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that's the slaughterhouse, he's got a slaughterhouse, but they
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still walked into it, I wouldn't really care.
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There has to be a point where you don't obey what I want you
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to do. If they're trying to stop you
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from reproducing, then you must reproduce.
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If they're trying to beat you down so you don't make money
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because the versary, you need to make money.
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If they don't want you to be brave, you need to be brave.
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You need to look at their exact playbook.
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And instead of tweeting at people, instead of accusing
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every single person who doesn't have an add on cartoon account
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of being a Jew, you need to do the absolute opposite of what
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they want you to do. And I believe that's how we win.
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That's how your movement and you become president of the United
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States. I think that's better for you
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and the movement as a whole. So when I made that tweet that
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Gorypert speaks like a defeated people, that's because I'll say
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something and I speak in absolutes.
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I absolutely do. And I think trolling is
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hilarious. And I make it clear that, you
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know, a white man. I say white man can't get a kid
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out of a woman unless he buys her two houses and three cars
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and a nanny. Ha ha, ha, awesome.
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The Somalian can get 11 kids out of Fatima without a job.
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And I make a joke of it. All the replies is, well, now
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you're a Jew, you're a race mixing Jew.
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You work for the Jews. And I just think that that is
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counterproductive to the good fight and counterproductive to
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your movement. That's my, that's my actual
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view. At the same time, though, you
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got to recognize that if you're going to rage bait, you can't
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really be mad when people get mad, you know what I mean?
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I think it's hilarious. Yeah, I think it's funny.
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I mean, I literally, I'm real *** Tay.
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I call myself a *** all day long.
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I think it's funnier than I love trolling.
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I'm all for it. I'm just saying that if we're
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going to try and have a serious political movement here, then
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calling every single person a Jew because of some tedious or
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tedious link I think is disingenuous.
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I think that, and again, this is just my personal view and I
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don't know enough. Since I got released from house
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arrest after three years in my house in February, I haven't
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been online that much. And I noticed you said I didn't
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weigh in on the Candace Tucker thing.
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I'm not versed enough to truly weigh it.
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I haven't seen every video, I haven't seen all of it.
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I haven't seen the back and forth.
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I've been with my children living my life.
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However, I would argue that Tucker has red pilled a lot of
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people who would never watch your show about very important
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things that are happening in the American government that you'd
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agree with. I would say the same for
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Candace. I think of them on the good side
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of the fight, and perhaps this is going to get me in trouble.
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I think of them as good people trying to do the best thing they
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can, which is tell their version of the truth.
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And they're by and large on our side.
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And I think this infinite divisible, constant infighting,
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constant looking for who's the most based, constantly saying,
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well, he's done 99 things right, but this one thing makes him a
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Jew. I just think it's holding us
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back by and large. That's that's my personal view,
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but it's not my movement. So I'm just saying what I see it
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as from the outside. Well, and you know, maybe that's
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where the disagreement lies because I, I talked with Alex
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Jones about this yesterday. We didn't even plan on talking
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about it, but he brought it up. Obviously, I'm in this big feud
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with both Candace and Tucker Carlson right now.
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And I see it being characterized on Twitter by some people as
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infighting. And I and I would agree with
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you. I would tend to agree with you
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that if I were an outside observer, I would look at
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Candace and Tucker and myself and I would think we're all on
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the same side. We're all pushing in the same
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direction. Certainly we're all criticizing
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Israel. We're all against the war in
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Iran and the rest of it. And that's what that's what I
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would tend to think. And yet when I went out and did
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Candace's show, instead of talking about what we had in
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common, she wanted to talk about all the things that we had
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apart. And she in particular wanted to
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press me on if I really hated Jews and if I was really a
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racist. So that confounded me because if
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I'm an outside objective observer, maybe without all the
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information, I would say, wait, aren't Candace Tucker and Nick
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on the same side? But being me, I went to do her
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show with my suit on, ready to talk about the Iran war, the
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neocons, all this kind of stuff, and she's pressing me.
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Why do you hate Dave Smith? Is it because he's Jewish?
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You hate Jews for being Jewish? Are you a racist?
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Is that why you're against race mixing?
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And so I finished the interview and not to re litigate the whole
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thing, but this is just a summary of it.
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I finished the thing and I get on my show and I say it's weird
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she's putting it behind a pay wall.
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I said. And also I'm unhappy with what
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we talked about. I thought this was an olive
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branch. Clearly it was some kind of like
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a lecture. I thought she was having me out
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to maybe extend an olive branch and connect.
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And instead I got a wagging finger from a woman in my face,
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which I don't really care for. And then as if to make matters
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better, she goes with Tucker Carlson.
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And Tucker, who, you know, me and him have a bit of a history.
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He calls me a basement dwelling weird gay kid.
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He says I'm ACIA agent. He unloads this personal attack
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on me. And so, yeah, I, I wouldn't, I
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would not characterize that as infighting.
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I would say to me that looks like a coordinated attack on me.
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And it's not purity spiraling. It is coming from them in the
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other direction saying that I'm too extreme.
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In fact, that's literally what Tucker said.
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Tucker said that I am a crazy anti semite who is trying to
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make them look bad by being too ideologically pure.
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So, you know, maybe you've been away for a long time, you know?
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Yeah, he literally called him David Duke.
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I don't know what's going on, but it wasn't me coming at them
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for being soft. No, they were coming at me for
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being too extreme. And that's where I have to
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defend myself and say, wait a second, you're calling me a CIA
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agent? Your fucking dad was in the Ciai
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said this to Tucker on this big show.
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A week later, Elon Musk is echoing what Tucker Carlson
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said, calling me a Fed. And it's in the context of this
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Matrix attack. I don't know what else you'd
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call that that. Then you came on Twitter and
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said the thing about the gropers.
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I think that's why they took it a certain way, because what it
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looked like was coordination. I don't know if you're in on
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that or not. I don't believe you were.
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But certainly something weird is going on, and it all coincided
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with what you said, which is I'm on this generational run.
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I have broken containment. I'm going mainstream now.
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I would like to do a show with Tucker and talk about our
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similarities and differences. I would have liked to do that
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with Canis Owens, but it seems like they're trying to keep me
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out. They're trying to push me aside
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as far as the movement's concerned.
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I'd like to be on the same page with them.
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But, you know, they don't feel that way about me.
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So you know, I, I don't know what, what's your thoughts on
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that whole situation? Well, I mean, it's interesting
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and like I said, I'm not fully versed on all of it.
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I guess there's two ways I can answer that question at a
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certain point. And of course, you're a full
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grown man. You make your own decisions.
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I'll be very clear that I like Candace.
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She's always been very respectful to me.
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I think she's fantastic at her job.
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I actually think she's amazing at what she does.
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I have nothing bad to say about her.
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I think that when people were saying the Bridget series was
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irrelevant, I think that's disingenuous.
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I think it's actually very relevant to find out if the most
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prominent country in the European Union is being run by a
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pedophile and his dad. I also think it's hilarious that
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she trolled Macron into having a meltdown.
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I think that trolling is funny. And I think it's, I think it's
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funny. I don't know anyone doesn't find
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that funny that legal letters are flying around the world.
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I mean, you're saying they attacked you.
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I respect it. There's two ways to answer that
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question. The first thing you can do and
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you can make your own decision as a full grown man is, is it
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about you and your own personal feelings, which it's allowed to
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be by the way, or is it about the movement by and large as a
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whole? Because I've sat down with
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people who have come out for me guns blazing, but I believe they
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were 65% on the same side as me. And I defended myself.
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And I thought, you know what? They're doing more harm than
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good. And instead of arguing about the
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color of the wallpaper inside the castle, let's defeat the
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orcs at the gate 1st and then we can start arguing about how
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we're going to decorate this room.
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But that's a decision that you can make personally.
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I'm not saying what they did is right, and I'm not saying what
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you did is wrong. That's a decision that you can
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make. I understand that my timing now
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with that context would be suspect.
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I understand that absolutely. But I have nothing against
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Candace and Tucker and the whole CIA agent dad thing.
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I'd actually like to address that as well.
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One of the reasons why that holds no weight with me is my
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father was in the intelligence services and now there's a whole
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bunch of people spamming my account saying that I'm a Jewish
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asset because my father was CIA. But I've been very honest and
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open about the fact that he was a translator and he spoke 3
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languages. And I was also open about the
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fact that he was discharged without a pension for not
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following orders. Ended up living in his car being
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a traveling chess player and I had to grow up in a homeless
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hall, stolen loot in England fighting Kosovans at the age of
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11. So if there's some big Intel
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agency op going on, I never got any money from it.
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And our family grew up destitute and I grew up in the worst area
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in England and now they're they're throwing me in jail at
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random. So for anyone to believe that
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I'm some kind of intelligence opera or fed is disingenuous.
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And another thing, and I want to make this clear, when I talk
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with you about issues, I'm very honest and open about the fact
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that you have swathed some knowledge I don't have.
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I don't want to get pulled into Muddy Waters where I'm in a
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situation we're discussing something I know nothing about.
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You can start talking about the financing of a particular
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senator and I don't know. So I kind of operate on fields,
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you know. Do I think you're a fed?
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Truthfully in my heart, no. Do I think Candace and Tucker
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are Feds in my heart? No.
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When someone says Tucker, the Fed, his dad was in the CIA.
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I said my dad was in the CIA and we were fucking broke and he got
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discharged and he died destitute with $15 in his pocket.
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So I don't buy any of that. What I do think is perhaps
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there's some ego involved, perhaps wrote a pivotal moment
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in in culture. Perhaps, maybe there is a degree
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of them trying to assert dominance over you or trying to
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show that you know they're not scared of your influence.
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That's all possible and all very real.
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I can only answer what I would have done in your situation,
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which was what I said earlier. I would have sat down with
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Candace, sort of defended myself and say, you know what?
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By and large, I think she does fantastic work.
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By and large, I agree with her. So I don't see the point going
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to war with her. However, that's your decision to
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make. And I do also understand that
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going to war with people is entertaining and we are in the
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entertainment business. That's another thing to
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consider. It's pretty funny to go to war
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with people and start swinging. But we have to sit down and be
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professionals here. And as professionals, we have to
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sit and say, OK, are we really trying to win?
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Because if there's things you've said I could get upset about,
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but I don't actually give a shit, you can sit here right now
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and call me a *** and say I'm a Jew and I'd be like, you know
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what? I'd like you anyway.
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I'm going to like you whether you like it or not.
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I'm going to say I like what Nick says.
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I think what he's doing is important.
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I don't give a fuck what he says about me.
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I like what he does. And I think that that's actually
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a degree of maturity that the left have that we don't have
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because they hate us so much. They're so unified and binded by
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their hate for us that they'll never infight over small issues.
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They're too busy trying to kill us.
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And I think unless we can manage to get our heads around doing
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something similar, we're always going to end up, every time we
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get any power, just infighting and falling to pieces.
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Well, I would say that as far as you 3 are concerned, I do
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believe you're all different. I I think that you are different
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than Tucker and I think that Tucker is different from
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Candace. And the reason I knew that is
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because when Candace went on with Tucker, Tucker said, oh,
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you know, this kid, he's saying my dad is in the CIA.
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And Candace said, yeah. And he said that I'm Russian
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intelligence. And Tucker said, yeah, but
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that's more likely than my dad being in the CIA or me being in
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the CIA. So in that moment, I was like,
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OK, so wait a second. These two are not on the same
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page. And I don't think you're on the
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same page with them even necessarily on this whole thing.
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And I guess what I would say about their attack is in
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particular, Tucker's attack was to discredit me.
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And you know, without, I don't want to drag you to a
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conversation that you don't know all the information about
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because I don't think that's fair.
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But suffice to say the particular thrust of his attack
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was to say that I'm a federal operative, was to say that I'm a
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federal agent. And and you say that the
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question is, how do I handle that?
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Do I punch back really hard? Do I sort of take my lumps, so
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to speak? I would say that's a very
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pernicious and specific charge to make, which is supposed to
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say. And it was almost artful the way
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that he did it. He said Nick says a lot of the
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right things, but she shouldn't listen to him because he's not
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who he says he is. And that sort of says to me that
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they're, they are trying to block me from having influence.
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They're trying to destroy my reputation so that people don't
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listen. And in my show against Tucker, I
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sort of contrasted our two positions.
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If it's about the movement for me, my movement says we're about
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American sovereignty. We want to break free from
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Israel. We want to break free from
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Jewish oligarchs. It's identitarian.
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America has a white character. It has a European character.
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It's racial. That has a lot to do with it.
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We need to shut down immigration.
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We need to get rid of this oligarchic syndicate that's
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running our country. And I will question, does Tucker
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conform to that because repeatedly he insists I have
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never talked about racial replacement migration.
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He he insists I'm not an enemy of Israel.
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I love Israel. I love going to Israel.
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Now, you know, what movement is he a part of?
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He's part of the movement where you work for Fox News for 20
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years and then when the whole world gets red pilled, now
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you're going to talk about Israel a little bit.
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Is is the movement where your dad's in the CIA?
20:17
Is the movement where you call up Trump and tell him to do a
20:20
COVID lockdown? Is the movement where you say
20:22
they hate Trump and you're ready to see him go away because you
20:25
can't stand him? I don't know who Tucker is.
20:28
I know who I am. And I would say that when push
20:31
comes to shove, I have a much better case to make then I'm a
20:35
credible voice than he does. I would make the case that my
20:39
movement, to the extent that it's different, is much more
20:42
consistent with what's right and where the people are at.
20:45
If he wants to make it me versus him, be my guest.
20:48
I don't think he's going to like where that goes on a long enough
20:51
timeline. So that's why I said to Alex
20:55
Jones yesterday, I said I would love to privately or publicly
20:58
talk to Tucker. If he thinks I'm a fed, if he
21:01
cares about the movement, then, you know, look, I'm not going
21:04
away anytime soon. He needs to listen and take me
21:07
seriously, obviously, because his attack on me backfired.
21:10
I think he needs to put up or shut up, have me on the show and
21:13
debate the differences, make the case I'm a fed or get with the
21:16
fucking program. But that's kind of where I'm at
21:18
with him. So I'm with you.
21:20
I do have a consciousness of the movement and I think that maybe
21:24
Tucker plays a role in this movement and maybe Candace plays
21:27
a role. But I I think they need to have
21:29
a team player mentality. I can't be expected to have all
21:32
the magnanimity in the world and all the patience and tolerate
21:36
the kind of nonsense they're throwing my way.
21:38
That's kind of my position because I, I like you a lot and
21:41
I think, you know, when you and I had our disagreement on
21:44
Twitter, you said, fuck it, let's get on a stream.
21:46
I love that. I think that's honest.
21:48
I think, you know, like you said, we don't agree on
21:51
everything and I've taken issue with things you've said and vice
21:54
versa. But we can kind of talk about
21:58
where we align and, and first of all, we can talk.
22:01
I think we should expect the same thing from them as well.
22:03
And in particular, Tucker. So that's sort of where I'm at
22:06
because I sort of see what you're saying, but I, I got to
22:09
stick up for myself a little bit in this case.
22:11
Totally get it. And and that's my point about
22:13
the tweet I made. And I totally understand how the
22:15
timing was suspect, but even recently, even this, even today,
22:19
one more thing I want to say when it comes to your movement
22:22
as a whole. And once again, I need to stay
22:24
in my lane because it's not my movement, it's yours.
22:26
And you've built it. And most importantly, you've
22:29
suffered for it. It wasn't handed to you.
22:32
You suffered to build what you've built, which is why it's
22:35
so strong and so powerful. Same as my movement, which, you
22:38
know, I would say it's moved over now.
22:40
I did my job and I would argue that we moved into a new era
22:44
where we have a new concerns. When I was saying the things I
22:47
was saying at the time, it was groundbreaking.
22:49
And now everybody says them and there's always going to be a
22:52
part of you, which is a bit like, OK, so when it was
22:55
dangerous to say these things, I did it.
22:57
And now it's not dangerous. Everyone says it and it pisses
23:00
you off a little bit. So I also understand perhaps
23:02
when you just mentioned, you said there that Tucker's now
23:05
saying it when everyone else is saying it, there's going to be a
23:07
bit of personal like, hey, I got the bank.
23:09
I couldn't fly. I suffered for this.
23:11
Like I went to jail for what I said.
23:13
And now everyone tweets it all day long and calls me a fed.
23:15
Part of you is going to be like, well, that's ungrateful of the
23:18
masses, isn't it? Because I was the one who was
23:20
suffering to even say this stuff in the first place, which is a
23:23
real important point. So I understand exactly where
23:27
you're coming from. I totally get it.
23:29
And one more thing with the whole grouper movement as a
23:31
whole. And I just want to say these
23:32
things and I'm saying them from an outside perspective.
23:35
I am a friend of your movement. I consider myself a friend of
23:38
yours. I believe in what you guys are
23:40
doing. You're fucking hilarious.
23:42
I'm not an enemy in any regard, but I do think that it's very
23:45
difficult. We have to draw a line
23:47
somewhere. He's doing tricks on it right
23:50
now. No, it's funny.
23:52
It's it's good. He's giving him props.
23:54
And we have to have some degree of, well, what are the
23:56
parameters then? OK, Tucker did attack Nick
23:59
perhaps, or candidates attack Nick perhaps, fine.
24:02
But if they are exposing XYZ, is that worthwhile?
24:05
And also we have to come along and say sometimes these tedious
24:09
links can be exaggerated upon. Only a few hours ago, I
24:14
retweeted Milo and you wrote a tweet underneath it saying that
24:17
this is very suspicious. This is a few hours ago, and I
24:21
retweeted Milo because Milo defended me, saying that all
24:25
these court cases against me, nobody can seem to put me in
24:27
jail. Nobody has any proof.
24:29
I didn't think. Ah, Milo and Nick.
24:32
I don't know the story of you 2 to be honest.
24:35
I now know you don't like each other.
24:37
I don't know why and with all due respect, I don't care.
24:40
He defended me so I retweeted it.
24:42
I also retweeted a three person account who defended me with
24:45
three followers. He could be a pedo, I don't
24:47
fucking know. I just retweeted it.
24:49
So sometimes there's too much noticing and there's too many
24:53
strings drawn and there's too much, you know, people are
24:56
looking for insult where it doesn't really exist.
24:59
And I think that's one of the other things separate to Candace
25:02
and Tucker, because that was very deliberate against you, as
25:04
you've just explained. One of the other things that I
25:06
catch Flack for from your movement is I breathe in the
25:10
wrong direction. And perhaps the Jew breathed was
25:14
pointing that way when he breathed in 1941.
25:17
And before you know it, I've got these spurgs spamming all over
25:20
Twitter. And the reason isn't that that's
25:22
a bad thing. It's not because I give a shit.
25:24
It's because it genuinely delegitimizes what you're trying
25:27
to do. Well, and I think you're legit.
25:31
I think that, you know, as far as the Milo thing is concerned,
25:35
the only reason I even mentioned it is because Candace did her
25:40
show with me. She did her show with Tucker,
25:42
and then she does a show with Milo.
25:44
Elon Musk replies to Milo calling me a fad.
25:48
You know, then you come in and and kind of you didn't really
25:52
pick a side, but you sort of said the the Brigitte Mccrone
25:55
things legit. And you said the voypers talk
25:58
too much about the Jews or, or you know, that they blame the
26:00
Jews or something. And then you retweeted Milo.
26:04
It looked like it was coordinated.
26:06
I hope you understand that. And I, I think that people need
26:09
to scrutinize these things because as you know and you
26:12
know, you're brilliant on politics.
26:14
I'm AI consider you a friend too.
26:15
And I consider what you have built to be one of the most
26:19
positive things that's happened in the twenty 20s.
26:22
And I even come down on your side when you're arguing with
26:25
Catholics like Matt Walsh because, honestly, a lot.
26:29
Taste laughing because you read that chat, you read the Super
26:32
chat, same as me. He shot keep a straight face
26:35
because he was trying to pay attention to Nick, but he was
26:38
reading that and that shit was funny.
26:41
That shit was funny. God of the Catholic, you know,
26:45
white, right? They're pussies when it comes to
26:47
women. And a lot of the trad stuff is
26:49
100% steered by women. So I mean, your your thing on
26:54
patriarchy, in my opinion, is indispensable.
26:57
It's literally indispensable. And it's like it's actually a
27:01
good thing that we're in the Tate generation of young kids
27:04
that are saying, you know, what color is your Bugatti and all.
27:07
I think it's actually a really good thing.
27:09
But with that being said, as far as these connections are
27:11
concerned, I think transparency is the solution.
27:16
You know, you coming on this and saying, hey, I, I just retweeted
27:19
them just because, okay, valid, legitimate, I hear you.
27:23
But in a lot of these cases, typically where there's smoke,
27:26
there's fire. And I like to draw these
27:28
connections because this is how politics operates.
27:31
You do get these networks to come together, their networks of
27:34
patronage, their networks of money.
27:36
And I'm not going to lie to you, a lot of people came to me
27:39
privately and said I'm on your side.
27:42
I agree with you. But I can't speak out against
27:46
Tucker because he's done things for me because he's a friend of
27:50
mine. And I've heard that from a lot
27:52
of people. I'm not going to name names.
27:54
Some of them said it publicly, Glenn Greenwald, Ian Carroll.
27:57
They said a lot of nice things about me, Dave Smith, too.
28:00
But they also said, you know, I, I don't even really want to
28:03
weigh in because I like Tucker now, you know, in our political
28:07
battle, we actually have to be willing to criticize people.
28:11
We have to be willing to scrutinize those kinds of
28:13
things. And someone like Tucker, you
28:15
know, he's got some explaining to do.
28:17
He said he didn't know his dad was in the CIA.
28:20
He lied. He didn't know that.
28:22
Now, if we're coming for the Matrix, and insofar as the
28:25
Matrix is the deep state, we're going to need an answer on that.
28:29
I would like an answer on that as well as some of these other
28:32
things. And so that's where it's like I,
28:34
I agree with you. There is 100% there can be a
28:39
schizo tendency. And unfortunately, when he
28:42
introduced concepts like Palantir a limited Hank.
28:46
Just connected that point. That's one.
28:47
I mean, I'm going to let him finish here, but that's one of
28:49
the greatest points he made. So like, it's like Tate will
28:53
come on here, he'll answer for this.
28:55
He'll be like, yeah, it's just an anomaly.
28:57
The retweet, whether that's true or not, he's at least answering
29:00
for it. Tucker won't give a fucking
29:02
answer. Candace won't give a fucking
29:04
answer. That's the problem.
29:06
Yeah, when when you introduce that to low IQ people, they'll
29:09
start seeing it everywhere. You know, they and and
29:11
unfortunately it is true. I've seen it people like trip on
29:15
their shoelace and say this was a Palantir limited hangout.
29:18
You know, it does happen, but in many cases, we actually do need
29:22
transparency on some of these connections because it's not
29:24
lost on me. You know, like Tucker Carlson,
29:28
one of his critiques of me, he said that I am delegitimizing
29:31
someone like JD Vance. And I said, well, wait a second.
29:35
You know, Tucker had JD Vance on his show 46 times.
29:39
Tucker made a personal appeal to Trump to choose Vance as his
29:43
nominee. Now, Candace does not seem to be
29:45
gung ho about Vance. So there might be some.
29:48
Like I said, I think Candace is different than Tucker and
29:51
they're both different than you. So when Tucker came at me with
29:54
that, I said, wait a second. He's calling me CIA.
29:58
His dad is CIA. His friend Joe Kent is CIA.
30:02
His buddy JD Vance works for Peter Thiel, who's the CIA
30:05
contractor. That's a lot of CIA.
30:08
That's a ton of CIA going on. And he lied about what he knew
30:11
about the CIA. That's where I say, OK,
30:14
sometimes where there's smoke, there's fire.
30:15
So, you know, I, I 100% agreed there can be a tendency to get a
30:20
little skit cell or maybe there's like a low IQ version of
30:24
what we talk about. But I don't think I'm wrong
30:27
about a lot of these connections.
30:28
And, you know, when you reposted Milo and, you know, maybe you'll
30:33
admit it, it could have come across as a bad look.
30:36
And that's why it's helpful when you said that's how I know
30:39
you're legit. A lot of people behind the
30:41
scenes tell me you got to press Tate Tates, the enemy, remind
30:45
him his dad was in the CIA. What I respect about you is you
30:48
talk to me. I have your number, I talked to
30:51
you. I've been on streams with you.
30:52
You're transparent. You said your dad is in the CIA.
30:55
We didn't have to dig that out of anywhere.
30:57
And to me, that's the difference.
30:59
Is there that transparency? If you're transparent, you know,
31:02
we can ask the question, it gets answered and we could say, OK,
31:05
that's good enough. But if people hide or lie or
31:08
they're not forthcoming, that's where there's a little scrutiny.
31:11
So that that's where I'm at on that.
31:13
I do think it's important to look at some of those things.
31:15
No, it makes it makes perfect sense.
31:16
And just once again, from the very outside perspective and I
31:20
have to make it clear that I'm not as versed on all of these
31:22
topics as a lot of the people who are watching this.
31:25
But I've barely been online. I pop up online, I see there's
31:28
this feud going on. The first thing I felt was a
31:31
degree of sadness, to be honest. I'm and that's, that's what I
31:33
felt. And it was the same with Elon
31:36
and Trump. I disagreed with Elon about
31:38
H1B1. I think everybody did with a
31:40
brain. Nobody wants that shit.
31:41
It's a it's a joke. But I think by and large, he's
31:44
done fantastic things. I think that Twitter, if he
31:47
never bought it by now, would be so fully locked down.
31:51
I think he did help with the culture.
31:52
I think he made some massive positive pushes in the correct
31:56
direction and maybe a lot of this is going to be personality
32:00
driven. Perhaps this is just me from a
32:01
personality perspective, but if somebody does something good, I
32:05
try very hard to not forget what they've done.
32:08
The Internet is a very fast moving place.
32:11
There's a lot of ungratefulness on the Internet because you can
32:13
do something amazing on a Monday and everyone hates you on a
32:16
Tuesday because it's fun to hate people and it's interesting and
32:19
trolling is fun and that's kind of how it works.
32:21
But when Trump and Elon start arguing and there was the big
32:24
division, I felt a degree of sadness when I saw that Tucker,
32:27
Candace and you didn't get along.
32:28
I was, I really, perhaps I'm a sentimental old man.
32:31
I felt like we'd all be better if we were to a degree on the
32:33
same team and we're never all going to agree on everything.
32:37
I like what you said about the transparency point.
32:39
That's fantastic. Me from a personality
32:41
perspective, if there's orcs at my gate, I'm prepared to work
32:45
with somebody who I disagree with on 99% of the problems.
32:49
Besides, let's kill the orcs, so I know it's as well.
32:52
A lot of the groupers are constantly retweeting and
32:54
constantly hammering Tristan for supporting JD Vance.
32:58
Well, JD Vance is the only American politician who talks
33:01
about the fact that we don't have any freedom of speech in
33:03
Europe. JD Vance was the only politician
33:05
who talked about the fact that Romania, the country we're in,
33:08
the country that locked us up, overthrew their own election.
33:11
He's the only one who called it out.
33:13
So perhaps at a deeper level, you know, things I do not know,
33:18
or there's some things about him I would not like perhaps.
33:21
But initially, the initial battle in Europe, we can't even
33:24
talk. He's the only one sticking up
33:26
for us. And it's kind of like this imp.
33:29
Tate's not really wrong there. Until I learned about the Peter
33:31
Thiel connection of JD Vance and a lot of the corrupt shit with
33:34
it. Like I, I was one of the biggest
33:36
JD Vance fans. I mean, people can go back to my
33:38
early episodes of this show. I don't delete them for that
33:41
reason, to be transparent. But you could see I was cheering
33:44
Vance on. I was hyping him up through his
33:46
speeches, everything. I love JD Vance until I really
33:51
learned the Peter Thiel connection and then it opened my
33:54
eyes to how corrupt he was and how bought and paid for he was.
33:59
So not a bad point by Tate, but again, it doesn't give an excuse
34:05
to ignorance, but it's not a bad point overall.
34:08
Definitely divisible problem, which is a problem we're going
34:11
to have with the entire movement, especially if we're
34:13
successful. The more successful we are, the
34:16
more fragmented it's going to become.
34:19
As I said, if we had a white only nation, the Italians would
34:21
fight the Spanish would fight the Germans, and before you know
34:23
it, the North and the South would hate each other and you'd
34:26
be a Texan and you'd be from Chicago and Evan would hate each
34:29
other again, even though we're all the same skin color.
34:31
That's how it was before. That's why you're was at
34:33
constant war. So this infinite divisible
34:36
problem is a real 1 and we kind of have to find a way,
34:39
especially, and this is me speaking out of turn because
34:43
it's your movement. It's not my movement.
34:45
But for you, I would say you have to kind of trying to find a
34:48
way to give some hard parameters and allow people who are not as
34:51
intelligent as you, not as smart as you, not as well versed as
34:54
you and most of your fans are not going to be.
34:57
That's why you're the star to sit and say, OK, where does
35:00
someone fall? Are they on the good side or the
35:02
bad side? Because perhaps they did this
35:04
and this and this, but by and large they've done.
35:07
XYZI always thought in my infinite ignorance that Ian
35:11
Carroll was a good guy. He exposed things and I watched
35:14
his videos and I thought, that's interesting, that's interesting,
35:18
that's interesting. And then I saw his feed and
35:20
everyone was calling him a Jewish plan.
35:21
And I'm like, what the fuck? Maybe I just don't know enough.
35:24
Maybe I'm ignorant and dumb, but I was like, how the fuck is he a
35:27
Jew? He's, he's literally said the
35:29
opposite the whole way through. So I do think this is some kind
35:32
of issue which is going to be nearly impossible to solve
35:35
because the internet's, the Internet and this is how it
35:36
works. And also, I will state this,
35:40
even my movement, there are people in my movement who are
35:44
retards and they'll go to the gym and they'll hit their chest
35:48
and they'll tell every woman to fuck off.
35:50
And you know, they'll walk around with a gun saying they're
35:52
AG and they're fucking retards and they're part of my movement.
35:56
And that's going to be part of every single movement.
35:58
That's part of it. I just think we need to try our
36:01
very best if we want to make a serious, political and genuine
36:04
change. You're right.
36:05
We have to draw connections. We have to notice patterns.
36:08
That's what you've done fantastically.
36:09
That's what you've built your brand on.
36:11
And perhaps my transparency allows me to sit down and
36:14
explain that my father was discharged dishonorably for not
36:17
following orders, and that we never even got a military
36:20
pension and grew up destitute. You can all look that up online.
36:23
Perhaps my transparency helps me, yes.
36:25
But sometimes I see so much stuff being thrown around.
36:29
I always like to think of things from the enemy's perspective.
36:33
If I was them. And I saw you fighting with
36:37
Candace, fighting with Tucker. And then I retweet someone and
36:40
then you say I'm part of them and they're sitting there
36:42
knowing none of us are part of them.
36:44
They're laughing their fucking ass off.
36:46
And I just think we have to be very conscious of that.
36:48
That's the only point I'm making.
36:51
Yeah, and I agree with that. I just, you know, then it's got
36:54
to be all in the family because they instigated with me.
36:57
I would have been glad to join up with Tucker and and honestly
37:00
here, here's what I'll say on the stream.
37:01
I still AM. Who just fixed the coffee or
37:05
just they just had an assistant reach and like fix the coffee
37:09
logo so it's flirting the camera.
37:10
That's fucking hilarious. That's funny, there's definitely
37:15
multiple people in the room with Tate right now.
37:17
Myron just looks like he's in a fucking trance.
37:19
I wonder if he's going to talk at all.
37:21
I don't know, maybe he's just moderating.
37:23
I thought he was part of this debate.
37:26
Though, because it's true that Tucker is getting torched by a
37:30
lot of his erstwhile Jewish or pro Israel allies.
37:33
There's no question about that. And same with Candace Owens.
37:36
Candace and Tucker. And to your point, you know,
37:39
just to demonstrate, because I think I'm objective and I think
37:42
I'm magnanimous, I think that Candace and Tucker, you are
37:46
1000% correct. They have brought a lot of
37:49
people closer to the truth. There is just no question.
37:52
Candace with the women, Tucker with the normies, and you know,
37:56
Candace with the normie women, I suppose, and you as well.
37:58
I mean, you know, but we're talking about them in this case
38:01
and you without a doubt as well. So I do believe there's room for
38:06
cooperation. It's just it's like we said
38:08
before, though, if that's sort of my perspective, I'm sort of
38:11
coming to Candace to join up. But she's telling me you're a
38:14
racist anti Semite and I'd like to cooperate with Tucker, but
38:18
he's calling me a fed and I'm this loser and all this.
38:21
It's like, so I would extend the olive branch to someone like
38:24
Tucker and me. I have such a consciousness for
38:29
the team. Me and Candace have a very
38:32
vicious rivalry right now. For me it is, and I say this, my
38:37
right-handed God, it is not personality driven.
38:39
It is not ego driven. I could forgive her tomorrow.
38:43
I've called her a bitch like 100 times and I know you probably
38:46
don't love that, but I've called her a bitch a bunch of times.
38:50
I could apologize for that tomorrow and and I could sit
38:53
down and have dinner and be best friends tomorrow.
38:56
The question is, is there that willingness on the other side to
38:59
get on the same page? Is there that willingness to
39:02
kind of open up the space for someone who is a little bit
39:05
further to the right? I do believe that.
39:08
I get it. So I've got a question for the
39:10
sake of our debate. So I would argue.
39:14
And of course, once again, this is full of presuppositions.
39:18
I'm just guessing here. I.
39:20
Wish he had the JD Vance point harder back.
39:22
Nick there before Tate. Tate changing the topic.
39:26
I would argue that there's a degree of disingenuity when it
39:31
comes to people saying that her Bridget series is not important
39:35
or it's trash. And I think you made a clip on
39:37
it. I didn't watch the whole clip
39:38
but you said something about how Macron is an enemy of Israel or
39:42
something along these lines and why is she going from Macron.
39:45
I truthfully, and I'm saying this from the heart with and
39:48
I've only watched 2 episodes of her series.
39:50
I haven't even watched the whole thing and I didn't even watch
39:52
your whole clip, but I don't see how anyone cannot think that's
39:56
good journalism and not think it's hilarious.
39:59
I really don't think it's genuine for people to sit and
40:02
say that that series was a setup somehow and she's working for
40:06
the Russian somehow, and that she's somehow working for the
40:08
Jews because she did that. And I think that it's people
40:12
disliking her so instantly tarnishing her work.
40:15
And I think that it's very important for us as
40:17
professionals to be able to sit down and say, even if my worst
40:21
enemy, I can sit and say, I don't like that person, but that
40:24
work was good. Like, I think Matt Walsh by and
40:27
large, is not even a bad person. I think he just has no impact on
40:31
the culture at all. I don't think anybody cares what
40:32
he says. But when I saw some of his clips
40:35
when he was making fun of the trannies, it was funny.
40:37
Like, you know, OK, cool. That's that's good work.
40:39
Like, I don't care who makes the work if the work is good.
40:43
And I know it's after your argument with her, everyone was
40:45
saying that her Brigitte Brigitte series was bullshit.
40:48
I don't think it's unimportant and I don't think it was
40:50
bullshit. I think it was actually very
40:52
informative and I think it was quite an interesting story.
40:54
And I think that if Macron is fucking his dad, we should know.
40:58
And I also think that it's fucking hilarious how triggered
41:01
he is. And I would argue that normally
41:03
you, if you didn't have a beef with 10 days, would also be
41:05
saying the same thing, that this is funny and and Macron's pissed
41:09
and this is all hilarious. Or do you genuinely, your
41:13
emotions, your feelings for Candace aside, really think that
41:16
that piece of work is somehow bad work to do?
41:20
Well, yeah, I mean, I it's actually the opposite.
41:24
I liked Candace last year and I hated the Brigitte Mccrone
41:29
thing. I just didn't say anything
41:30
because I didn't want to mess with her thing.
41:33
I'll give you a counter example. She did an interview with Phil
41:36
Turney, who's a survivor of the USS Liberty.
41:39
I thought that was excellent. I thought that was brilliant.
41:41
Got huge coverage, totally drove the conversation forward.
41:46
I could, you know, I'm objective.
41:47
I'm honest. I tell like it is.
41:49
I do have a major problem with Candace right now, but that was
41:52
awesome. And unquestionably so I'll tell
41:56
you my issue with the Brigitte Mccrone thing.
41:58
It's a, it's a couple of things. One, I think it's weird.
42:03
I think it's weird that Candace is so hung up on the French
42:07
President because in America we just don't really talk about
42:10
Europe. We don't really care about
42:11
Europe that much. It's just not something we're
42:13
engaged in. So for her to have this laser
42:15
like focus on that, to me, it kind of gives me a weird feeling
42:19
from the beginning. Then you delve into kind of the
42:22
history there and for a long time there's been an effort to
42:25
go after Mccrone from this crew. Like, I don't know if you know,
42:29
but back in 2017 there was this huge effort to say that Mccrone
42:33
was gay. And that was being pushed by
42:36
Russian media. It was being pushed by Sputnik
42:38
in Russia Today, they were quoting Julian Assange.
42:41
They leaked all Mccrone's e-mail two days before the election in
42:44
17. So there there's been for like 8
42:48
years this concerted campaign to attack Mccrone personally, call
42:52
him gay. So he's married to his dad.
42:54
So that's another thing is like it comes over, it comes back
42:57
over and over again. Then you get into the person
43:00
pushing this, the guy Xavier Poussard, he wrote the book
43:04
Becoming Brigitte. This guy's crazy.
43:07
Like the guy that originated the theory.
43:09
It's very fringe in France. He thinks he believes in the QA
43:13
non stuff. He thinks he's working for
43:15
Trump. He thinks he's working for
43:16
Putin. The guy's nuts.
43:18
And when you get down into the actual information, at the end
43:22
of the day, their proof is that there's a photograph of the the
43:27
person they say Brigitte is as a child and using this Chinese
43:31
facial recognition, it says there's an 80% match to Brigitte
43:34
Mccrone today. And I don't think that's super
43:38
good journalism. I think the evidence is flimsy.
43:40
And I would say maybe there's something going on there.
43:42
Maybe Brigitte Mccrone is weird or something, you know, but to
43:47
me the, the evidence is very flimsy.
43:49
So that's my problem with it. And and the reason that I even
43:52
call it out, you know, why not let it alone?
43:55
The reason I call it out is because one, if it's an angle
43:59
from Russia or, or some other thing, then that needs to be
44:03
called out by itself. But two, I think it's so kooky.
44:07
It just makes us look bad. I think it's one of those things
44:10
where maybe people watch the USS Liberty show.
44:13
But then if you're talking about aliens and secret the
44:16
transgenders and the frankest and, you know, space isn't real,
44:20
it's like then we just look like we're crazy.
44:22
So that's the other thing. But it's actually in reverse of
44:26
what you said. If I liked Candace, I, I would
44:29
not talk about my problems with it at all if we had a working
44:33
relationship. But you know, since we're at
44:36
odds, I'm more willing to criticize her.
44:38
So it's totally the opposite. Well, perhaps this is just a
44:41
personal preference thing, but I think it's extremely important
44:44
if we find out that the leader of a European nation, especially
44:48
the nation which is overthrew the election here, by the way,
44:51
one of the most important economies on the planet.
44:54
And Europe is by and large America's ally and will have to
44:57
be against China for the coming decades.
45:00
If there is an elite pedophile ring which is in charge of his
45:03
country. Especially if you want to tie
45:04
this to Epstein and everything else and the fact that Keir
45:06
Starmer is gay and all these things.
45:08
The fact that we have all these homosexuals in power, I think
45:11
would largely affect the culture.
45:13
And we just talked about how the culture is so important.
45:15
I would argue that it doesn't make us look kooky for
45:18
investigating that very much like you said, we need to.
45:22
If there's smoke, there's fire. And you know, if there's the
45:25
timing is weird or there's a string here or there's a link
45:27
there. I think that she did a fantastic
45:29
job on the series. And I think it's pretty
45:31
important. And I'm just surprised from a
45:33
personal level. You don't find it hilarious to
45:35
Macron's having a breakdown. I just thought that you would
45:37
find it funny like I did when I saw the legal letters.
45:40
Me and Tristan were laughing our ass off.
45:41
It's funny the same as Keir Starmer talking about me all
45:44
day. I think it's funny these people
45:45
get triggered. I maybe it's just me liking the
45:48
underdog. Maybe it's just me like me
45:50
liking that we have some degree of power to actually influence
45:54
the emotions of these people who are suppressing us, especially
45:57
in Europe so heavily. So I was just surprised by your
46:00
take on that. And my conclusion in my mind was
46:03
he's pretending that's not good work when it's clearly hilarious
46:06
because he doesn't like Candace. And you've given your answer,
46:08
which I respect. I was just highlighting why I
46:11
thought that was weird because I actually thought that was a
46:12
fantastic series. And I think if, if it turns out
46:15
she is right, I think that's very important.
46:18
I, I would argue that's extremely important.
46:20
And I mean, right now we have the problem with Keir Starmer in
46:23
the UK. He got caught fucking Ukrainian
46:25
rent boys that we're not allowed to say that I'm about to catch
46:28
another charge for saying that right now I'm trapped in Europe.
46:32
And perhaps maybe that you're saying America first.
46:34
And as Americans, we don't care. I'm in Europe.
46:36
They're the ones throwing me in jail.
46:38
They're the ones fucking with my life.
46:39
They're the ones who are constantly watching everything I
46:41
say. They're the ones watching this
46:42
stream right now trying to raise charges on me.
46:45
And the Western world, by and large, is the same thing.
46:48
I think that you even said earlier at the beginning of
46:50
this, that America was founded on European white heritage.
46:54
So we don't want to lose the ancient countries.
46:57
We don't want to lose the original lands of the people
47:00
we're trying to restore to glory.
47:02
So I think she's doing fantastic work, and that's my personal
47:05
view on it. I think she's doing fantastic
47:06
work with it, and I was just surprised you disagreed on that
47:08
point, that's all. Yeah, well, and, and that's
47:11
legitimate, I guess for me, you know, your point about it's
47:16
funny like that does resonate with me because I, I thought
47:19
that way for a long time. I would look at something like
47:22
that and say, oh, you know, we're doing it for the lols.
47:24
We're doing it, you know, because we're trolling Mccrone,
47:27
we're trolling everybody. But what I have come to learn
47:30
over the years is that a lot of the things that seem random or
47:34
seem like they're based on hype, they're all coordinated.
47:37
And that doesn't mean that everything.
47:39
That is true. That is absolutely true.
47:42
And and there are systems and there are groups and there are
47:45
piles of money being thrown around.
47:46
You're absolutely right about that.
47:48
I want to make it clear you're completely correct.
47:50
Yeah. So that's where I, and I'm not
47:53
saying, and I said it on Bradley Martin, as far as Candace is
47:56
concerned, I said everything I say about the Brigitte Mccrone
47:59
thing is speculative. You know, is it a Russian
48:01
operation? I said that is a theory that's
48:04
like a working postulate that I haven't really even researched,
48:08
but just that's sort of where my gut says, and we just do need to
48:11
be mindful. As I grow older, I see these
48:14
kinds of memes trends. And it's easy when you're 18 and
48:18
you have no orientation of politics.
48:20
You kind of like, you know, when you're a kid, you don't know how
48:23
this stuff works. And for me, I was a young edge
48:26
Lord. I was a young shit poster troll.
48:28
And you'd see the bigger accounts in the group chats
48:32
pushing a meme, a certain narrative, something.
48:34
And you say, oh, I like this poster.
48:37
I like Gavin McGuinness. I like this guy, that guy,
48:39
whatever. What they're pushing is funny.
48:41
What? And I'm just using him as an
48:42
example of a big poster. And you go, yeah, we're going to
48:45
join in on this. And as I get older, I realize a
48:47
lot of that stuff is backed by money.
48:49
It's coordinated. It is like it's a domain of
48:52
warfare. It's information warfare.
48:54
And that's why I'm just very, I scrutinize it a lot more and I'm
48:57
very careful. I fully believe that Candace
49:01
believes what she's saying. I, I actually don't doubt her
49:04
sincerity. I just think that that whole
49:06
narrative, I, I, maybe someone gave it to her.
49:09
It might be a possibility. And even to the extent that it
49:12
exists in Russia, it's either cookery or it is being picked up
49:16
by an intelligence agency for some reason, because that's very
49:20
strange and conspicuous, the whole thing.
49:22
So especially this like this idea that the West is like
49:26
satanic pedophile elite, I don't doubt that there's something
49:30
like that going on when you look at like spirit cooking and the
49:33
podestas and Pizzagate. I also think that sometimes
49:37
foreign intelligence leans into narratives like that to sow
49:42
discontent or dissonance inside of our society.
49:46
And it's it's our job to discern those things.
49:49
It doesn't mean that every narrative like that is fake.
49:52
It doesn't mean, and you know, not every narrative like that is
49:54
true. It's up to us to discern.
49:57
And so as far as the Brigitte thing is concerned, I think
50:00
Candace is sincere. I don't find it very compelling.
50:03
And I think it at the minimum, it is being picked up by Russia
50:07
on some level because Russia is adversaries with France.
50:11
And as you know, the more you get into politics, the more you
50:14
realize everything proceeds from intelligence and defense,
50:18
everything proceeds from the national security state.
50:21
Yep. The energy needs, the
50:22
technology, the media, information domain, these are
50:26
all domains of warfare. We're in the age of complexity.
50:29
And so if I could impress nothing else on my followers,
50:32
it's that we're it's all warfare.
50:34
It's all ongoing, open, everyone against everyone warfare, even
50:38
in the information space. Well, you made some very
50:40
important points and I'll make a a quick personal story.
50:45
Even when I was accused of human trafficking and locked up and
50:47
all this bullshit, the American right never really disliked me
50:50
in any regard. They all defended me.
50:53
Even Ben Shapiro said that Andrew is correct about the
50:56
things he says, but he has some of the wrong solutions.
50:59
But he's by and large correct about the problems with society.
51:02
The whole American right supported me when I first got
51:04
out of jail. There was nobody on the American
51:06
right who disliked me until October 8th when I told Piers
51:09
Morgan that Israel was conducting A genocide.
51:12
And then the entire American right turned on me instantly
51:16
saying that I'm a degenerate because I have sex with more
51:19
than one girl and that I'm a terrible person, I'm a pimp and
51:22
all these things. These were accounts that were
51:24
defending me the day before and that was organized inside of
51:27
Telegram groups I've had access to, and they were paid money to
51:29
all instantly slander me and turn on me.
51:31
So you're completely correct. You're also completely correct
51:34
in saying this is being picked up by Russian intelligence.
51:36
Yeah, it was. I was fighting in China when the
51:40
George Floyd riots were going on, and before my fight I was
51:43
watching the Chinese news, and the Chinese news was saying that
51:46
once again America is in turmoil as all of its unhappy citizens
51:50
riot against their oppressors. The black people hate the white
51:53
people, and everybody hates the government equally, and
51:55
everybody's dying. Did China instigate the George
51:58
Floyd riots? I don't know.
52:00
Or perhaps they just saw some division and jumped on it
52:02
because that's what foreign Intel agencies do.
52:05
I don't think Russia told Candace to do it.
52:08
And I know you you lightly alluded to a theory that somehow
52:14
her and I were getting paid by Russia or something.
52:17
I can tell you from personal experience that's absolutely not
52:19
the case. So yeah, they jumped on it.
52:21
But I don't think that takes away any of the validity of what
52:23
she's doing. You're right in saying that
52:25
absolutely everything is run by the Intel agencies.
52:28
That is correct. We're in a permanent and endless
52:30
state of of never ending war and America and Europe as a whole,
52:35
their only chance of competing against China is to ally,
52:38
especially China and Russia now that they're so close.
52:40
So I do believe that there has to be some degree in the
52:43
European continent, some degree of interest.
52:45
And I just think that perhaps once again, I'm talking about
52:48
fields and instant my instant thoughts.
52:51
When I saw your takedown of the Brigitte series, I just thought,
52:54
is that really genuine from Nick or is that an attack?
52:57
And once again, this is a personal decision.
53:00
This is me speaking from my personality.
53:03
I wasn't the one who was attacked by them like you were,
53:06
but I have been attacked by a lot of people who I still
53:09
currently talk to, work with or promote because I think it's
53:12
better for the larger fight. So I agree with everything
53:14
you're saying. I understand exactly where
53:16
you're coming from. I think we're better as a team
53:18
if we can all manage to work together.
53:20
I also think there's a degree of, you know, Hollywood and
53:25
arguments and fighting, all these things are very
53:28
interesting to the Anon who never has to put his face
53:30
anywhere. You're never based enough for
53:32
the Anon account who has nothing to risk and nothing to lose.
53:35
And these people are trying to instigate the endless wars, and
53:38
they like that we all argue because for them, it's
53:40
entertaining. And it's also great for them to
53:42
come and write on my post or Ian Carroll's post or anyone's post
53:44
and say, you mentioned the Jews 99 times, but you didn't mention
53:47
them 100 times. So you're a Jew.
53:50
It's like, OK, well, you have nothing to lose.
53:52
And you also, nobody listens to you, and nothing you say
53:55
actually matters. And if you're going to be up
53:57
here like you are, you understand very well the
54:00
importance of nuance. You understand very well the
54:03
importance of picking your bowels.
54:04
You understand very well the importance of being funny.
54:07
The only reason you're not in jail is because you're funny.
54:09
And the only reason I'm not in jail is because I'm funny.
54:11
And a lot of these people who want to say the same things we
54:13
say can't be funny. And humor is a shield, and a lot
54:17
of people don't understand that. They're not smart enough to
54:19
discern that We get away with doing what we do because we're
54:22
funny with it. And there's a whole lot of
54:24
things happening. And I, I, my, my point by and
54:27
large for the groupers is I believe in the movement.
54:29
I think it's fantastic. I think it's fantastic.
54:31
We all work together. I just highlighted that.
54:34
I didn't think it was genuine when you attacked the Brigitte
54:36
thing, but you defended yourself.
54:37
And I accept it. Yeah, yeah.
54:40
Go ahead. Can you guys hear me yes it's
54:42
been a minute No, so I was fixing a lot of the stuff behind
54:45
the scenes. The lag is gone.
54:46
Apologize for that and I know you guys wanted to talk this
54:49
stuff out. So I just wanted to make sure
54:50
you know let y'all get you know, the Graper stuff Candace Tucker.
54:54
I know that's like pressing stuff, but did you guys want to
54:57
have anything else before I go into the the questions or
54:59
whatever or? No, I think we, yeah, I mean, we
55:03
sort of resolved the main stuff so far.
55:06
So yeah, let's dive in, Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
55:07
So basically I got a couple questions here and I think it'll
55:11
be interesting because, you know, we can sit here and talk
55:13
about certain topics and stuff like that, but I think these
55:15
questions will give people a better insight as to, you know,
55:20
your guys's mindset on some things.
55:21
So what I'll do is I got these questions, I'll answer it first
55:24
to give you guys time to, you know, come up with your own
55:26
things because some of them are pretty thought provoking.
55:29
So I'll kind of keep it simple. So the first one I was going to
55:31
ask was looking back, what book, person or event red pilled you,
55:38
right? And how did that change the
55:40
trajectory of your content or public persona?
55:44
So for me, the thing that red pilled me and I kind of broke it
55:46
down into categories, what red pilled me on women was reading
55:50
the Mystery Method and a book called Conqueror Campus when I
55:53
was like graduating from high school, getting ready to go to
55:56
college. Like, that's what Red pilled me
55:57
on. Women figuring out this, you
55:59
know, this whole thing about how important social status is to
56:01
them and how they're looking for a small percentage of men.
56:03
That's like when I found out about like the 8020 rule, the
56:06
Pareto principle, right? What you, what I said would you
56:09
be what Red billed me on the on the Jews was 911 and JFK, right?
56:14
No matter how you slice and dice it, there was absolutely Israeli
56:18
fingerprints all over 911 all over the JFK assassination,
56:21
especially when you look at the nuclear weapon component, which
56:24
is almost never mentioned in mainstream American media.
56:27
Hell, even the movie JFK by Oliver Stone did everything in
56:31
their power to omit the nuclear weapons angle.
56:35
And then you find out that the movie was funded by a guy named
56:37
Arnold Milchen, who was literally Israeli intelligence
56:40
from the unacknowledged nuclear program.
56:42
So like they had an incentive to keep that information from
56:44
Americans. And this stuff has been like
56:46
suppressed for a while. So that definitely read put me
56:48
when he came to that. And then when it comes to money,
56:51
real estate use three and basically central banking is
56:54
what red pilled me on money. So I'll turn it to you guys.
56:56
I mean, if you want to break it down in categories, you can.
56:59
But those are the things that I would say red pilled me on those
57:02
3 topics. Andrew, you want to go in and?
57:09
Yeah, go first, first. Isn't that how it works?
57:11
Yeah. So the question is.
57:13
Basically, I'm at the back of the bus.
57:15
Looking back, what book, person or event red pilled you right
57:20
and change the way that you would make content or change the
57:23
trajectory of how you would make content for the rest of your
57:25
life? What what was the like the the
57:27
red pill on women, just so to speak, or the red pill on
57:29
finance or whatever? Maybe, but either one of you
57:31
guys could take it. All right, then I'll go.
57:36
I'll go. Should I go?
57:37
Yeah, go ahead. So yeah, I'm IA, lot of my views
57:42
come from personal experience. I won't say I wouldn't say they
57:44
were a book as such. I wouldn't say it was a movie I
57:47
watched that red pilled me. I would say that, you know, Nick
57:51
is definitely the figurehead of the movement against Jewish
57:54
influence. And I think that I am and was
57:56
the figurehead of the movement against feminism.
57:59
And a lot of people have now come along and said that women
58:03
are the foot soldiers of the Jewish influence.
58:05
And perhaps that's true. But every single problem I saw
58:08
with society LED back to one place.
58:10
And that doesn't mean they're bad people.
58:11
It doesn't mean women are inherently evil.
58:13
It means that societies have always been productive and
58:16
functioned a certain way with a patriarchy.
58:19
And it allowed us to fend off foreign invaders and reproduce
58:23
and have children and be in love.
58:26
And it allowed men to feel like they had a stake in society
58:29
worth fighting for. Men used to paint a beautiful
58:32
girl on the side of a Spitfire and go die.
58:34
Like we did all of this for women, not because we hated
58:37
women. We didn't oppress women.
58:38
We did it for them, in service to them.
58:42
And it turns out they've been massively ungrateful for that.
58:45
And nearly any problem you can name I can tie back to one
58:49
thing, and it comes down to girls chasing Instagram likes
58:52
instead of children and not listening to men.
58:55
So I kind of came to this conclusion myself and by and
58:59
large, I had this mentality for a very long time.
59:02
And I didn't really blow up on the Internet until COVID, when I
59:04
decided to really fight back against the systems of the
59:07
matrix because COVID was complete insanity.
59:10
And I was living in Sweden at the time in absolute freedom, by
59:14
the way, with no mask, no vaccine, completely normal
59:16
society while the rest of the world were locked in their
59:18
houses. And I thought, this is crazy.
59:20
So that's when I started to blow up online and get big.
59:23
And I, I never began the crusade intending on becoming the most
59:27
Googled man in the world. A lot of people don't actually
59:29
know that in 2020, two, 20/20/2022, before I was
59:33
arrested, I was saying to Tristan, this is the story of
59:36
Icarus. We're way too big.
59:39
They're going to come and they're going to get us.
59:41
Turns out the UK Foreign Office wrote to the Romanians and I
59:43
have that on paper. I have proof of them doing that,
59:46
saying shut this guy up, he's a national security issue because
59:49
they knew that my momentum had to be stopped.
59:52
And if I were to continue to red pill and continue to mobilize
59:56
the young men of the world, that they would lose their grip on
59:59
society. And that's why to this day, the
1:00:02
UK government has an active warrant for my arrest because
1:00:04
they know if I go to England, the rough party will win the
1:00:07
next election. They know that.
1:00:09
So the second I land, I got thrown into jail for basically
1:00:12
ever. And that's what they're doing to
1:00:14
try and keep their grip on power.
1:00:15
So a lot of it was just my own conclusions.
1:00:18
And then I saw how upset everybody got by me saying these
1:00:21
things, and I realized that if people are getting so mad by it,
1:00:25
there has to be an element of truth to it.
1:00:26
If I sit here and say the sky is green, everyone will ignore me.
1:00:28
They don't care when you lie, they care when you say things
1:00:31
that are close to the truth. And I kind of ran with it.
1:00:34
And I wouldn't say there was any particular thing.
1:00:35
I read a lot of it was just personal experience and tying it
1:00:39
back to all the same problem. Because I believe patriarchal
1:00:41
societies. If our society became
1:00:43
patriarchal tomorrow, we could instantly fix 95% of the issues
1:00:47
we currently face. And if you look at the societies
1:00:50
which are actually succeeding now, if you look at the Middle
1:00:52
East and the societies are successful from a birth rate
1:00:54
perspective, from a safety perspective, from an economic
1:00:57
perspective, they're all patriarchal societies.
1:01:00
And my major point I was making is that the West has now become
1:01:02
a matriarchy. America is a matriarchal society
1:01:05
currently as it stands right now, today, even under trumpets,
1:01:09
matriarchal. If a man wants to have power, if
1:01:11
he wants to be in Senate or be a politician, he has to parade his
1:01:14
wife around. For some reason, Putin doesn't
1:01:17
have to parade his wife around. I've never seen the king of
1:01:19
Saudi parade his wife around. What are their wife even know
1:01:22
about politics? Why are they there?
1:01:24
I don't know. But we live in this insane
1:01:27
matriarchy where women have so much power over men and they're
1:01:31
using it to suppress and destroy the most masculine of men, which
1:01:35
are the ones who are going to be tasked with defending the
1:01:37
society. So I always had this gripe with
1:01:40
that and that alone. And it turns out that big women
1:01:44
are as powerful as Big Pharma and Big education and Big Jew,
1:01:48
because they fucking came for me.
1:01:49
They did not like what I said, and they came for me hard.
1:01:52
And of course they accuse you of crimes against women because it
1:01:55
makes perfect sense for them to attack you with it.
1:01:58
And here I am, 11 court cases deep.
1:02:00
I've been federally investigated by the American government, the
1:02:03
British government, the Polish government, the Hungarian
1:02:05
government, the remaining government.
1:02:06
No one has enough evidence to put me in jail, showing I'm
1:02:09
actually completely more innocent than the man you walk
1:02:11
past in the mall. If anyone else went through this
1:02:13
level of shit, they'd be in fuck in jail.
1:02:15
So also tying back to our earlier conversation, there is
1:02:19
part of me that thinks I've been through all this shit and I get
1:02:24
called a a Jew and a fed like because I was the one who was
1:02:28
red Pilling the generation. I was the one who took all this
1:02:31
risk to help everybody. And now you go on Twitter and
1:02:33
call me these things. It does.
1:02:36
Even though you don't care, it does make you think, well,
1:02:38
what's the point in trying that? And This is why the elites win,
1:02:42
by the way, especially in my position.
1:02:44
I have $700 million liquid. I can just fucking fuck off on a
1:02:48
yacht and say fuck those peasants, just go be one of
1:02:52
them. And I don't do that.
1:02:53
I sit here and I try and tell the truth and I try and be
1:02:55
honest about things and you get so little gratitude for it that
1:03:00
I, I do believe when I'm talking about how our movements are
1:03:04
subverted by the extremity on the inside of the movement.
1:03:07
That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
1:03:09
And as Nick continues on his run, as he becomes more and more
1:03:13
powerful, as he does more and more fantastic things and
1:03:15
becomes a larger and larger political force, when X amount
1:03:18
of his own movement turn on him and start calling him a Jew for
1:03:21
something he once said even he's going to sit there and go, this
1:03:24
is fucking what the fuck am I even trying for?
1:03:25
Why did I get the banks for these fuckers?
1:03:28
And that's what happened. So All in all, mine was just
1:03:30
personal experience with with women bro.
1:03:32
I mean, I didn't have to watch fresh and fit.
1:03:34
I knew what was going on for a very long time.
1:03:36
Yeah. And I just add to what you were
1:03:38
saying because you were saying like, you know, obviously
1:03:40
patriarchy just went in general. And I would argue COVID was also
1:03:43
like a big red pill because since women tend to defer to the
1:03:47
masses, the fact that we locked down, the fact that we had all
1:03:50
these scares, that I think is very indicative of how much we
1:03:55
value the communitarian nature. Of the reason they're so scared
1:04:00
of me and the reason they're trying to get rid of me, it's
1:04:02
because when you have women in charge of a society, you can use
1:04:05
emotional arguments. It's not complicated.
1:04:07
You put women in charge and then you use an emotional argument to
1:04:10
manipulate the women. And the women yell at their
1:04:12
husbands and Matt Walsh says OK. And then they sit at home all
1:04:15
day, and that's what happens. So COVID was one big emotional
1:04:19
argument, but grandma was the fucking argument for locking us
1:04:23
all in our house for years. That's a female mentality.
1:04:26
A man would sit and say, well, grandma's going to die anyway.
1:04:29
Grandma's 94 and I need to go to work so men can be more ruthless
1:04:33
and more logical. So yeah, COVID was one big psyop
1:04:36
run from the matriarchal frame. All of it.
1:04:38
And every single man who was scared of his wife got the
1:04:40
vaccine because of grandma. And every single man who was in
1:04:43
charge of his women said none of us are getting the vaccine.
1:04:45
This is bullshit, shut up and turn it off and live their life
1:04:47
as normal. So yeah, absolutely.
1:04:49
And the primary objective of the Matrix, and I'm fighting a
1:04:53
different fight than Nick and a different fight from you.
1:04:55
But I truly believe the reason they are so hard on trying to
1:04:59
make sure in every movie, in the culture, in the law and all of
1:05:03
these mechanisms that women are above men is because they can
1:05:06
simply scare the women or use an emotional argument on the women.
1:05:08
And if they're a charge of society, then they have absolute
1:05:11
control over the society and they don't need to convince us
1:05:13
of anything. Men must be convinced.
1:05:15
You have to convince me. You don't have to convince a
1:05:18
woman, you have to scare her, and that's much easier to do
1:05:21
when you put up some Chinese dude falling over.
1:05:23
I never saw anyone fall over on the street, but in China,
1:05:26
supposedly they're falling over left and fucking right, and
1:05:28
chicks had a mental breakdown. So I went to war against that
1:05:31
because I saw it was all just a matriarchal mindset and maybe I
1:05:36
level deeper. Yeah, perhaps there's not.
1:05:38
Perhaps. Certainly there are groups and
1:05:40
people who are doing this on purpose and weaponizing women
1:05:43
against men. They've certainly weaponized
1:05:45
women against me. I mean, I'm the fucking from
1:05:48
personal experience, they call 1000 women who know me and they
1:05:51
find one idiot and I get dragged to jail.
1:05:54
I mean, they certainly weaponize women against me.
1:05:56
So perhaps women are not the tip of the spear.
1:05:58
Perhaps they're the foot soldier.
1:05:59
Perhaps they're the pawn and not the king and the queen.
1:06:02
That's another argument. But that's where all of my
1:06:04
mindset came from. And that's why I was on the
1:06:06
crusade I was on. And a lot of people
1:06:08
misinterpreted, and a lot of stupid people in my own movement
1:06:12
misunderstood me and thought that means that you can beat the
1:06:15
shit out of women or shoot them or run around, you know, and all
1:06:19
these crazy things, which once again gets applied to me and I
1:06:22
go to jail. And that's not what I was
1:06:24
saying. I was saying that the world's a
1:06:25
happier place with men in charge.
1:06:26
That's what I was trying to do. What about you, Nick?
1:06:28
I'll repeat it because I know we basically.
1:06:30
No, I remember. I remember it's.
1:06:32
What red pilled you? Yeah, I got red pilled back in
1:06:36
2016 and it was a process like it is for everybody.
1:06:40
I was a basic bitch conservative when I was in high school
1:06:43
because I read all the libertarian stuff and I read all
1:06:46
the conservative and neoconservative stuff, and I was
1:06:49
just your, I was a Ben Shapiro fan.
1:06:51
Enough said. That's just what there was.
1:06:53
You know, back in those days, if you were a mainstream person,
1:06:57
you had Prager, you Breitbart, you had, you know, the usual
1:07:01
suspects. And what red pilled me, Trump
1:07:04
was a big part of it. Sam Hyde was a big part of it,
1:07:07
but I had a buddy of mine. He was like autistic.
1:07:09
He was a, he was a straight up Asperger's genius.
1:07:13
And he was on 4 Chan all the time.
1:07:15
And he was a a good friend of mine.
1:07:17
We were in Model UN and other stuff together.
1:07:19
And I'll never forget, I must have been a junior or senior in
1:07:23
high school and he called me into this room when we were
1:07:26
setting up for our Model UN conference.
1:07:29
And somebody goes, oh, Nick, there's this, there's a
1:07:31
sophomore that's saying the Holocaust never happened.
1:07:34
And I was like, really? So I go in, I hear him out.
1:07:37
I said, yeah, that's sort of interesting.
1:07:39
And then we went and we campaigned for Paul Nealon that
1:07:41
summer, couple years later and I was sitting in with all the
1:07:45
Israel arguments. This is in 2016, I'm saying, but
1:07:49
they fought 4 wars of extermination against Israel.
1:07:52
Like Israel is, is this island of civilization in a sea of
1:07:56
Barbarians, all the usual shit. And he, he fought back and made
1:08:01
the case for the Palestinians and for the Arabs and all this.
1:08:05
And I said, wow, that's really interesting.
1:08:07
And what really did it for me is I got to the point in college,
1:08:10
there were a number of other things that happened to me over
1:08:13
time, But I got to the point in college where I said, is it all
1:08:17
a Jewish conspiracy? And I thought to myself, there's
1:08:20
got to be an argument that it isn't like there must.
1:08:24
Like, are they really suppressing this truth?
1:08:26
There's got to be like a book out there that debunks all this
1:08:29
stuff. And then what really did it for
1:08:31
me is that on 9/11 in 2016 during the election, if you
1:08:36
remember, Hillary Clinton was like, not well, she was sick.
1:08:39
And on 9/11, she did a thing with Donald Trump.
1:08:42
Actually, they were both in New York for the anniversary of 911
1:08:45
on the same day. And she fainted and they
1:08:48
literally picked her up like a rag doll and threw her into a
1:08:52
van. I don't know if you remember
1:08:53
that video, but she was literally like rag doll.
1:08:56
And they fucking tossed her in a van.
1:08:58
And and then five hours later, they had all these explanations.
1:09:03
They said, oh, it was too hot. Oh, she actually had pneumonia
1:09:06
and she comes out of Chelsea Clintons apartment and hugs like
1:09:10
a little girl and it's like, wait a second.
1:09:12
So first she said it was too hot, then you said she has
1:09:15
pneumonia. But if she has pneumonia, why
1:09:17
she's hugging this kid? And everyone in the media lied
1:09:20
about it. And in that moment, I knew if
1:09:23
they could lie about this, they could lie about anything because
1:09:26
they're willing and they're able to lie.
1:09:28
And if people are not willing to investigate it or dig deeper
1:09:31
because of censorship, because of, you know, it's regulated
1:09:35
press, I said then they could lie about all this stuff and
1:09:38
that for. Me, that's when I me, that's
1:10:38
when I realized this like benefit of the doubt could not
1:10:42
be afforded to any narrative because that's really what it
1:10:45
is. No one has investigated.
1:10:48
The vast majority of people at that point had not investigated
1:10:52
the 9/11 truth movement or the Holocaust or Israel or any of
1:10:56
these things. All they had was the benefit of
1:10:59
the doubt. That stuff is conspiracy
1:11:02
territory. We believe the government, we
1:11:04
believe the mainstream narrative.
1:11:06
And I said, if they could lie about something that I saw with
1:11:09
my own eyes, then we can't afford the official narrative,
1:11:13
the benefit of the doubt on any of these things.
1:11:16
And so that was the big break for me.
1:11:18
It wasn't a book. It was just kind of this gradual
1:11:20
noticing and kind of taking this tenuous frame, you know, for how
1:11:25
to perceive things and just seeing it confirmed over and
1:11:28
over. And then when I saw that, I said
1:11:30
it's totally plausible that they're covering it up.
1:11:33
And that was it for me. Shit.
1:11:35
So that perfectly dovetails into my next question.
1:11:37
So my next question is what was your first comment, tweet, video
1:11:44
or anything else that forever puts you in the controversial
1:11:47
category? And I'll go first on this one,
1:11:48
then turn it to you guys. The thing that got me
1:11:52
automatically put in the box of, you know, misogynist or
1:11:56
whatever, which is kind of like how all this started was back in
1:11:58
2020. I made a comment saying if woman
1:12:02
flakes on a date, you need to punish that bad behavior and
1:12:05
she's got to go ahead and pay for the first round of drinks
1:12:07
when you guys meet up on the reschedule, right?
1:12:10
And like the view and a bunch of, you know, left wing shows
1:12:14
looked at it like, what are we dogs?
1:12:16
This guy's over here saying you got to you got to punish bad
1:12:19
behavior. But what I was really doing was
1:12:21
I was telling guys like, you can't accept poor behavior from
1:12:23
women and reward it. So you got to, you know, if she
1:12:26
makes a mistake, you got to make her pay for that.
1:12:28
And they obviously likened it to training a dog, which, hey,
1:12:31
maybe that's what I meant. But the point is, is that, and
1:12:33
after I made that comment, cuz it went viral on TikTok, it got
1:12:36
millions of views. And this is right after I had
1:12:37
left the government, right? I wasn't even on the Internet
1:12:39
like that. And this is back when TikTok
1:12:41
will like still had an organic, you know, sharing ability with
1:12:45
the algorithm. So I would say that was the
1:12:47
first thing that kind of got me in there.
1:12:49
And then obviously a bunch of other things I said about women
1:12:53
and you know, top age and all this other shit, but I would say
1:12:55
that's the one thing that like started it.
1:12:57
So what about you guys? I know you guys probably have a
1:13:00
couple of things that like put you on the map, but what would
1:13:02
you guys say is the most controversial thing you said
1:13:05
that put you in this box forever?
1:13:09
Nick. Most controversial thing that
1:13:12
got me in there. There was a lot of things over
1:13:15
the years, you know, one thing after the next.
1:13:17
I would say it was the cookie joke is really what did it
1:13:20
because you know, and it's so stupid.
1:13:23
It's always the dumbest shit, isn't it?
1:13:25
It's never like your actual good jokes, your favorite jokes.
1:13:29
It's always the stupid shit that they use and you know, at that
1:13:32
point, so, you know, I got cancelled in 2017 for just a lot
1:13:38
of nonsense. And I was young and I wasn't
1:13:40
very big. I was very minor streamer.
1:13:42
And then in 2019, I started to get a little traction because I
1:13:46
was going really hard against Charlie Kirk and against Ben
1:13:50
Shapiro and it was going really well and everybody was on my
1:13:53
side. And what they used to kind of
1:13:55
shoot me out of the sky was this joke where some super chatter
1:13:59
sent in. They said, well, if the Cookie
1:14:01
Monster has 6,000,000 cookies, how long does it take to, you
1:14:04
know, whatever. And they used that to frame me
1:14:08
as a Holocaust denier. So up until that point, you
1:14:11
know, they could have said I was all right, well, that doesn't
1:14:13
mean anything. They could have said I was a
1:14:15
white supremacist. Oh, OK, they call everyone that.
1:14:18
But then they took that joke and said, oh, he's a Holocaust
1:14:21
denier. And they literally, at that
1:14:23
point, that joke was a year old. I didn't even come up with it.
1:14:26
Someone else sent it. Not that I don't own the
1:14:28
sentiment, but it was such a stupid fucking thing.
1:14:32
And then I get to Washington Post calling me and saying, do
1:14:34
you deny the Holocaust? Do you believe it was 6,000,000?
1:14:37
And I'm like, really? So that was kind of what really
1:14:41
took me out for a minute. And you know, but they call me
1:14:43
fucking everything. So there's there's a million
1:14:45
reasons I'm canceled, but that was maybe the big one.
1:14:48
Yeah, yeah, I still use that reference to this day with the
1:14:50
whole Cookie Monster thing. I think it's like a funny way to
1:14:52
kind of bring it up. But what about you, Andrew?
1:14:55
What? What?
1:14:56
What would you say is the comment or tweet or statement
1:15:00
that put you in the controversial box forever?
1:15:02
Yeah, I was around for a while and I was telling the truth for
1:15:05
a while. And then on a podcast in
1:15:07
Croatia, we were discussing the age of women.
1:15:10
And I said that men prefer women who are younger.
1:15:13
You prefer a woman who's 21 as opposed to 30.
1:15:16
And the people asked why and I said cuz she's been fucked less.
1:15:20
And I made the point that the more men who have fucked her,
1:15:22
the less likely she is to truly fall in love with you.
1:15:25
So I made this point that it's not pedophilia to like younger
1:15:28
women. You're just trying to find a.
1:15:29
To all the men out there, if a woman tells you it doesn't
1:15:32
matter how many bodies she has, that's a lie.
1:15:35
If the woman's fucked the entire town, it's not your wife that's
1:15:38
the town's slut. Woman with less life experience
1:15:41
because by and large they've been fucked less than older
1:15:43
women. Anyway, I made that point.
1:15:45
The podcast came out the next day. 400 different Instagram
1:15:50
accounts had the same post and the same caption saying I was
1:15:56
dangerous and misogynistic and homophobic and racist all at
1:16:00
once. I didn't even say anything
1:16:02
homophobic or racist, they just threw that in there.
1:16:04
And this is where I always knew the matrix was real but it was
1:16:06
kind of flabbergasting. The next day I woke up and 400
1:16:09
accounts had the exact same post about me.
1:16:12
Also the ADL said I was anti-Semitic.
1:16:15
On this day I was like I didn't even mention the Jews ever at
1:16:17
this point I never even mentioned them and now I'm on
1:16:19
that list. So that was really weird.
1:16:22
And then 24 hours after that I got the mass ban.
1:16:26
Every single app on my phone logged out, my Gmail, my Skype,
1:16:29
my Airbnb. I got banned on Instagram,
1:16:31
banned on Discord, WhatsApp was banned, every single
1:16:36
application. They banned me overnight and
1:16:38
they started putting me on the BBC saying that I'm dangerous
1:16:40
and I was banned for being a terrorist.
1:16:42
Was. This worse than depression isn't
1:16:44
real because I remember when you said.
1:16:46
Depression was a real got traction and a lot of people,
1:16:49
you know, were unhappy by it. But that was the one comment
1:16:52
that really sent the world into OverDrive.
1:16:54
And I sat there and I thought, why are they so threatened by
1:16:57
that? And the extension is very
1:16:59
simple. If you tell men to have
1:17:01
standards for themselves, you're now an enemy of the system
1:17:04
because they don't want men to have any degree of standard.
1:17:07
And that's where the right wing Christians and the Catholics
1:17:10
hate me because they're basically saying don't have
1:17:12
standards. They're saying meet a woman and
1:17:14
marry her and do the right thing.
1:17:15
Well, she's probably a fucking whore, bro.
1:17:17
I'm not doing that. And they say I'm a bad person.
1:17:20
Well, I make a whole bunch of white babies.
1:17:21
I'm white enough. When I find a white woman, my
1:17:24
kids look white as snow. So I'm out here having white
1:17:26
babies. And throughout all of the
1:17:28
bullshit I've been through, have any of my women betrayed me?
1:17:31
We saw what happened with Crowder's wife and all these
1:17:33
people. Have anyone come out and
1:17:35
betrayed me? Some whores have come out and
1:17:37
accused me of bullshit. Have any of the women with my
1:17:39
kids or the women I'm close with betrayed me, let me down, or
1:17:43
they all stuck by me the entire way through?
1:17:45
Like I have good women around me with good loyalty inside of
1:17:49
them, so I must be doing something right.
1:17:52
But as soon as I told man men to have any degree of standard for
1:17:55
themselves and not instantly accept women and all their bad
1:17:58
decisions, the entire system had a meltdown.
1:18:03
And I think that's what really red pilled me and made me
1:18:07
realize that, yeah, big women's a thing.
1:18:09
And perhaps with that 2020. 1/20/21 I think it's a couple
1:18:13
layers below, perhaps the true power structures at the top, but
1:18:16
women are certainly the are the pawns, they're the foot
1:18:18
soldiers, convincing. And this is the thing that's so
1:18:22
sad about it. And this is the thing, when I
1:18:24
make these tweets, which are deliberately prerogative and
1:18:26
people attack me for them, they're deliberately using women
1:18:30
to attack white men. Only white men listen to women.
1:18:35
Black men don't listen to women. We don't listen to that what
1:18:38
they say. We don't care.
1:18:40
White men are the only ones who says, well, the wife said one
1:18:42
kids enough. Well, if you're going to listen
1:18:44
to her and she's a, a tool being used to get rid of your race,
1:18:49
well, then you're going to go extinct.
1:18:51
So I realized I really hit a nerve with that because of the
1:18:54
massive backlash. And then my legal problems
1:18:56
began. And then the UK Foreign Office
1:18:59
wrote to the Romanians and it we all know the rest of the story.
1:19:01
So that's when I really knew I was close to something.
1:19:05
And big women is a serious fight.
1:19:07
And I think a lot of people underestimate how much trouble
1:19:10
you can get in for just saying as a man that you're allowed to
1:19:12
have standards and you're allowed to expect loyalty and
1:19:15
integrity from females. And you're for the same reason.
1:19:18
You don't want disloyal men around you.
1:19:20
You don't want disloyal women around you.
1:19:21
And their paths do matter because if someone was a thief
1:19:25
their whole life, they're going to continue to steal.
1:19:26
And if they were a whore of their whole life, they'll
1:19:28
continue to be a whore. And all of these things are very
1:19:30
valid, but for some reason you cannot say them.
1:19:32
And at the time, the Internet was a lot more controlled.
1:19:35
Nick. Nick, with all due respect, was
1:19:37
you barely saw him. He was, they had his ass locked
1:19:40
out. And I, I was around a little
1:19:43
bit, but Kamala was in charge and all these things.
1:19:45
And they did their very best to get rid of me.
1:19:48
So that's when I really realized that they are very threatened by
1:19:52
the basic idea of masculine integrity, sovereignty and honor
1:19:57
and strength. They're threatened.
1:20:00
By men who are not afraid of them.
1:20:02
That's all it is. They're threatened by men who do
1:20:04
not bend to peer pressure. I got a question for you, Nick,
1:20:06
because when it comes to women, me and Tate have a very similar
1:20:09
ideology. Get sexual experience, increase
1:20:12
your net worth, become the highest status you can be, and
1:20:15
then kind of have your pick of the litter and get to a position
1:20:17
where female sexual leverage can no longer control you, right?
1:20:22
Someone like yourself, right? You're religious, you're devout
1:20:25
Catholic, Obviously you're young.
1:20:27
You have a huge young audience that follows you.
1:20:30
Obviously on one end you have the Catholic mindset where you
1:20:34
know, monogamy, one wife, etcetera.
1:20:37
But on the other hand, we know the realities of modern women
1:20:40
now in 2025 versus 1955. And a lot of people that are
1:20:43
your kind of counterparts like a Matt Walsh, etcetera, advocate
1:20:46
for the monogamy style despite the fact that we're dealing with
1:20:50
modern women. So as a guy, that's like
1:20:52
religious right, That's religious, but still based to
1:20:55
what modern women are, what's your take on this situation?
1:20:59
How should men navigate the persexual marketplace in your
1:21:02
opinion? Well, I, you know, I did a whole
1:21:05
show about this on the Walsh versus Tate debate.
1:21:09
And obviously I'm Catholic, so I do believe in one, one wife, one
1:21:15
wife, monogamist, no adultery, no cheating and you have kids.
1:21:19
But I do think that the trad cats, the, the traditionalists,
1:21:25
they're just not being honest about the deal.
1:21:27
They want a LARP like it's the 50s, but it's not the 50s.
1:21:30
And that matters. You know, they're telling
1:21:32
everybody get married young, have more kids than you can
1:21:35
afford. And that was the law.
1:21:37
You know, 100 years ago, maybe that was the rule.
1:21:40
That's what everybody was doing. But the whole situation was
1:21:43
different. There was a social and cultural
1:21:46
taboo against women even being like bossy, mouthy, sarcastic.
1:21:52
They didn't want to be a shrew. They didn't want to be a bitch.
1:21:55
They couldn't just divorce you with no reason by themselves and
1:21:59
then take your stuff and your kids.
1:22:01
They didn't have group chats. They didn't have TikTok, they
1:22:03
didn't have Instagram. It was a different world.
1:22:06
And so, you know, a lot of people like to.
1:22:08
It really is a reckless message. And they like to say out of this
1:22:13
LARP, you know, pandering to the crowd, they say, oh, yeah, get
1:22:17
married young, have more kids than you can afford.
1:22:19
You know what the elite would hate?
1:22:21
Have more kids, all this kind of stuff.
1:22:23
And my message to the young men is you really got to get solid
1:22:28
before you consider marriage. And when you get married, it's
1:22:32
got to be an extremely judicious decision.
1:22:34
You know, if you're going to have a wife, and I believe you
1:22:37
should have one wife, you got to pick the right one.
1:22:39
And when you pick the right one, you got to lay the ground rules
1:22:42
early. You know, a lot of these young
1:22:44
Catholic men, they're so taken by the women because they have
1:22:47
no experience with them that they become simps and the women
1:22:52
run their shit. And I see it.
1:22:53
I know Pi know many people that are like this.
1:22:56
You know, I know many young men who are married and the wife
1:22:59
runs their shit. She wears the pants.
1:23:02
And these good little Catholic boys, it's almost like they buy
1:23:05
into it more than the woman does because a good little Catholic
1:23:08
guy says, oh, she's an Angel. God gave me an Angel, anything
1:23:13
and all this kind of stuff. And the woman is thinking this
1:23:15
pussy, I'm going to run this guy's life.
1:23:18
I'm going to I'm the one who's in charge of the house and I
1:23:21
hate seeing it. And for this they call me gay.
1:23:24
For this they say I'm anti family.
1:23:27
For this they say I'm a fake Catholic, they say why don't you
1:23:30
encourage your followers to get married?
1:23:32
I think they should do it, but I think they should do it
1:23:34
responsibly and they got to put the women in their place.
1:23:37
You know me. Here's the thing.
1:23:39
I find women incredibly annoying.
1:23:42
I'm a super high IQ person. I find most people annoying.
1:23:45
In general, I think women are Dumber than men.
1:23:47
I find them extraordinarily annoying and I don't know how
1:23:51
most men don't. And if I'm ever going to get
1:23:53
married, the arrangement is not going to be that I'm getting
1:23:56
nagged that I'm getting told what to do, that I'm checking in
1:23:59
with my wife. It's like you're going to do
1:24:01
your fucking obligations. You're going to leave me alone
1:24:04
and you're going to be my wife. You're not going to be my buddy.
1:24:07
You're not going to be my best friend.
1:24:09
You're going to be my damn ass wife.
1:24:11
And a lot of people say, oh, well, that means you don't
1:24:13
really like women that much. It's like, yeah, I kind of
1:24:17
don't. I mean, not as friends, you know
1:24:19
what I'm saying? Like if I think of.
1:24:21
Go based. That's based as fuck.
1:24:23
I mean, yeah, I mean, when you get it, you get.
1:24:28
It you know what I mean? Like.
1:24:30
Annoying dude like I talk to them every day there.
1:24:32
It's literally I don't know anyone that enjoys a company of
1:24:35
women that fucking sucks. But continue keep going.
1:24:36
I'm just. Yeah, I mean, look, you know,
1:24:38
you want to fuck them and everything, but like, do I?
1:24:40
When I think about, I want to go out and have the best time of my
1:24:43
life, I think I want to go with my best male friend.
1:24:46
I want to go with my best male friend who's intellectual and
1:24:50
intelligent and risk taking. And that I, I don't think like,
1:24:54
oh, we're going to go on a trip. You know what make this really
1:24:56
awesome? If my wife were here, if my
1:24:59
fucking wife were, you know, and, and here's the litmus test.
1:25:03
If there is no possibility of sex at all, they're still going
1:25:07
to have a great time with a woman.
1:25:09
Absolutely not. It's only fun if there's a
1:25:12
possibility of sex because the game is fun.
1:25:15
The game of am I going to get laid?
1:25:18
Am I? You know, when men talk about
1:25:19
that, that's the part that's fun.
1:25:21
The part that's fun is not her witty banter.
1:25:24
It's not her stupid fucking inane commentary.
1:25:27
It's the fact that you're playing a game.
1:25:29
It's like gambling and. And anyway, so I.
1:25:32
No guys ever listened to a girl's story about her fucking
1:25:35
day at work. Or her dumbass friends.
1:25:37
Unless they were trying to get their Dick sucked, they're
1:25:40
getting some, you know, get laid.
1:25:42
It's one of the greatest points. The game is why the guys are
1:25:45
there. If the game didn't exist then
1:25:48
guys would literally not give up.
1:25:50
Women wouldn't probably wouldn't even have rights if the game
1:25:52
didn't fucking exist. I try to explain that doesn't
1:25:56
come across all the time, but that's kind of my, you know,
1:25:59
maybe my fence sitting position. I'm spiritually with Tate, but
1:26:03
by law I'm with Matt Walsh, I guess.
1:26:05
And that's kind of why I wanted to ask you that so much because
1:26:08
and Andrew, me and you have had private conversations on this
1:26:10
stuff for years, how how much women annoy us and stuff like
1:26:13
that. And I find it interesting that,
1:26:14
and I'm going to turn it to you, Andrew, that they call us gay,
1:26:17
They call us weird because we don't enjoy the company of women
1:26:19
who'd rather be around like minded guys that are high IQ so
1:26:22
that we can make each other sharper.
1:26:23
But then normies will sit there and be like, you don't want to
1:26:25
be around women, you're gay. Like it's retarded.
1:26:29
But go ahead, Andrew. Yeah, I think white people
1:26:32
especially have a very precarious scenario because
1:26:34
they're on the risk of basically sipping themselves into
1:26:36
extinction. Like whenever I see these Only
1:26:39
Fans girls say I made $1,000,000 in a day, I know there's not a
1:26:42
single *** or a cent or a dollar.
1:26:44
That's all white people. That's white people.
1:26:46
That's. I got a clip, I was gone.
1:27:03
It's not wrong either. I mean, there's probably a
1:27:06
couple, but like less than 1%. White boys, a lot of them are
1:27:10
the same ones talking about getting married, and I can even
1:27:14
talk about my webcam company I have, which I've been very
1:27:16
honest and open about. All those were white men.
1:27:18
They were all married. They all were.
1:27:21
I love my wife, and then going to the toilet with a laptop,
1:27:24
jerking off when their wife went to sleep.
1:27:25
These people aren't even loyal. That's the worst thing about it.
1:27:28
They pretend to be loyal, but perhaps they can't do any better
1:27:30
or they're scared of getting divorce raped.
1:27:32
They're not even actually genuinely loyal.
1:27:35
So white people are in a really precarious scenario because
1:27:37
they're the only ones who listen to women at all, and they're on
1:27:40
the verge of basically simping themselves into extinction.
1:27:42
The Only Fans girl who just extorted Shannon Sharpe and sued
1:27:47
him for sexual assault and took all his money, took $10 million
1:27:51
and quit. Her Only fans.
1:27:53
All her stories now on Instagram are the Bible and Catholic
1:27:57
Church because she just got a fucking payout.
1:27:59
And now she's walking around there and I guess what it's
1:28:01
going to be some little white boy Catholic who meets her,
1:28:04
holds her hand and says I can't believe that big black man did
1:28:07
those evil things to you. You definitely didn't want him
1:28:09
to fuck you like that. You poor thing.
1:28:10
Let me marry you, love you darling, and maybe get one kid
1:28:14
out of it before he gets divorce raped and end up fucking sending
1:28:17
money to some other only fans girls.
1:28:19
This is a big white problem. This simping shit is a white
1:28:22
issue. It's a big one and it's and it's
1:28:25
and it's difficult. It is difficult.
1:28:27
And I understand what Nick's saying about, you know, he, he's
1:28:29
a Catholic and he has certain rules and certain things he
1:28:31
wants to live by. I get it.
1:28:34
Life system I came up with was basically me just looking at the
1:28:38
chess board and going, OK, there's the game they want me to
1:28:40
play. What's the best move on the
1:28:41
board? How do I get children?
1:28:43
How do I not end up being nagged?
1:28:45
How do I not get divorce raped? How do I keep my sovereignty?
1:28:48
And I made that decision to do those things so I can have 25
1:28:51
children because I believe that's the most important thing
1:28:53
to do. But doing that has alienated a
1:28:56
huge swath of people who then say I'm a bad person because I'm
1:28:59
not married and I don't have one wife and I'm not Catholic and
1:29:02
that I am a terrible Jew. For some reason, not
1:29:05
understanding that their mindset is the reason they are being
1:29:08
replaced in their countries and they are simping themselves to
1:29:12
extinction. They write to me that I'm a bad
1:29:14
person with one hand and click pornhub.com with the other
1:29:17
fucking hand and jerk off the girls who are actually human
1:29:20
trafficked. So the whole thing is so
1:29:21
hypocritical and stupid. But by and large, yeah, there
1:29:25
was a pretty simple societal contract which has now been
1:29:29
broken. I'll take care of you, I'll
1:29:31
protect and provide for you, and you'll do as I say.
1:29:34
And that's now been broken. And women don't want to listen.
1:29:37
And men are still expected from the Tracons at least, to do all
1:29:40
the work with none of the rewards.
1:29:42
And I think, as Nick quite correctly pointed out, it's very
1:29:45
jealous. It's very dangerous to tell
1:29:46
young men to go and sign up for that deal, especially when the
1:29:50
full force of the law will come down anytime she wants and
1:29:53
destroy the guy. So before you know we're right,
1:29:57
we have a lot of things to do. And people don't understand when
1:29:59
he says destroy the guy he literally means destroy.
1:30:02
Most people who haven't actually seen divorce up close, they
1:30:06
don't realize. They think like, oh it's just
1:30:08
like the guy loses like 50 to 80 or maybe even 100% of his
1:30:12
assets. It's not even just that the man
1:30:17
will have to go into debt A lot of times like I've seen people
1:30:20
who are millionaires go to a million in debt because of
1:30:24
divorce. So it's not like they just lost
1:30:26
half their shit. It's like they lost the rest of
1:30:28
their life. They'll be working until they're
1:30:30
fucking 80. They won't retire because of a
1:30:33
wrong choice they made in a woman.
1:30:35
So it's the choice you make in your spouse can make or break
1:30:39
your entire life. Essentially.
1:30:40
It's one of the biggest decisions.
1:30:42
People tell you to rush into it and have more babies than you
1:30:44
can afford at a young age. That is a trap.
1:30:47
Like they are right in the idea of like you do want to have
1:30:50
kids. We do need to repopulate,
1:30:51
especially the white race because we're not repopulating.
1:30:54
But at the same time, don't fall into the dumb ass trap that a
1:30:57
lot of people fell into. And we'll continue to fall into
1:31:00
it because Simpson pussies exist in this world.
1:31:02
When it comes to noticing a lot of things to do when it comes to
1:31:05
getting hold of the reins of power, that's all true.
1:31:07
But we also have a lot of things to do when it comes down to the
1:31:10
simple fact that we need people to have families that they're
1:31:12
proud of, that they can reproduce within without being
1:31:15
completely fucking decimated emotionally, financially, and
1:31:18
most importantly, spiritually. No man is going to go to war for
1:31:23
his country if he doesn't feel like the king of his own house.
1:31:26
If he comes home and his wife doesn't listen to him and he's
1:31:28
getting fucking hand packed, he ain't going to go and defend
1:31:30
that street or defend that town. You're breaking the man's
1:31:33
spirit. You're breaking his soul over a
1:31:36
fucking toilet seat and you're wondering why they get away with
1:31:39
what they get away with. That's why big women such a
1:31:42
threat. That's why they push it so
1:31:43
heavily. That's why they have the full
1:31:45
force of the law behind them. Who all who by the way, are men
1:31:49
with guns, men. So it's a, it's a really
1:31:52
precarious scenario. And I have a lot of young people
1:31:54
who come to me and ask the same question, and I don't even have
1:31:57
an answer because I'm in a very unique situation.
1:32:00
I'm one of the most famous men on the planet with hundreds of
1:32:02
millions of dollars. Of course I can get women to
1:32:04
have my kids. Of course I can see them all.
1:32:06
I fly my kids running private jets all day and get them in
1:32:08
free in and out the house today. No one else can do that.
1:32:11
If you're a normal man, what do you do?
1:32:13
How do you set yourself up to win?
1:32:15
It's extremely difficult, but it is a conundrum that must be
1:32:18
solved. Shit, So my next question, and
1:32:22
this might this is a little bit more in depth, but obviously we
1:32:27
talked about with you, Andrew, your comments on women in
1:32:29
roughly 2021 that kind of put you on the radar.
1:32:33
You nick the Cookie Monster comment getting ostracized by
1:32:35
conservative media. At what moment did you say, OK,
1:32:41
now I'm 10 toes down on this, right?
1:32:44
Like what made you say, OK, this this experience right here.
1:32:47
I'm 10 toes down. I could kind of go through me
1:32:49
and then turn it over to you guys for me.
1:32:54
As you know, Nick, me and you had been talking about this for
1:32:56
what well over 2 years now, right?
1:32:57
And I credit a lot of my knowledge on this topic of, you
1:33:00
know, us being, you know, subverted to discussions I had
1:33:03
with you, discussions I had with Ryan Dawson and many others.
1:33:07
And at the end of 2023 when I got demonetized, been off a
1:33:10
bunch of different platforms, etcetera for talking about this
1:33:13
because we were talking about this before October 7th.
1:33:15
I want to make it very clear, just to add more credits to what
1:33:17
you're what you've been going through, Nick.
1:33:19
If you talked about Israel, Zionism, any of this stuff prior
1:33:23
to 10/7, you were pretty much guaranteed to be cooked off any
1:33:27
mainstream social media platform, right?
1:33:30
So we talked about it before then and that wound up happening
1:33:33
as I got all this shit happening, right?
1:33:36
So the thing that made me say, you know what, fuck it was when
1:33:40
I started seeing glimps of kids getting blown off, when I
1:33:42
started seeing that we were paying for literally what's
1:33:45
going on right now is a genocide.
1:33:46
I think it's irrefutable now that what's going on is a
1:33:48
genocide. Every single scholar that's a
1:33:50
genocide scholar, hell even Holocaust researchers are coming
1:33:53
out and saying this. This is a genocide.
1:33:57
I said on October 8th and got 11 months back in jail for it.
1:34:00
Yep, Yep. And and that was still when
1:34:02
things were hazy through the fog of war.
1:34:03
But now I would say almost two years later, right, it's pretty
1:34:06
apparent what's going on. So for me, after I saw what
1:34:10
happened and how Israel responded and use our tax
1:34:12
dollars to literally wage not just the war in Gaza, but to
1:34:15
conduct a war throughout the entire Middle East, right?
1:34:18
Like they've been doing with, you know, a lot of these, like
1:34:20
the clean rape memo, whatever. That's when I said, you know
1:34:22
what, I'm going to keep talking about this shit and they're not
1:34:24
going to stop me. These motherfuckers robbed me of
1:34:25
my money. They robbed me of my platform.
1:34:27
I'm not going to let them get away with this shit.
1:34:29
So that's kind of where I said I don't give a fuck anymore.
1:34:32
We're we're going to keep going. What was that moment for you
1:34:35
guys? Well, for me, you know, I had
1:34:42
got cancelled very young. I got cancelled when I was 18
1:34:45
and there was really just no other option for me, you know,
1:34:49
because I, I basically got cancelled within four months of
1:34:52
starting my career, three months.
1:34:54
I started my show on February 17.
1:34:57
I was cancelled by like March or April or May of the same year.
1:35:02
And for me, it was the only way out was through.
1:35:06
I knew that if I just took my lumps, I was just never going to
1:35:09
work in politics. I had already been blacklisted,
1:35:12
so the idea that I would get a job at Campus Reform or Daily
1:35:16
Wire, Prager UI was out. And I was out because of my
1:35:19
views. I knew at that time, not even
1:35:22
just my views about the Jews, but about race, about any of it.
1:35:25
It was just not kosher. I could not get access or
1:35:29
opportunities anywhere. It was so gay back then.
1:35:33
People don't even realize. People forget that.
1:35:35
And that's why I think I don't get enough credit because back
1:35:38
in 17, it was like you had to be on board with like, limitless
1:35:42
immigration and like gay marriage and feminism to be in
1:35:46
the right wing to have a job. Like I remember there were
1:35:49
people at like Daily Caller that thought they were based because
1:35:53
they would sneak in like the, you know, the most entry level
1:35:57
red pill or something in an article or whatever.
1:35:59
So I basically made the decision I was going to have to kind of
1:36:05
build my own thing. I was going to have to do my own
1:36:07
thing and change the culture, either make my scene on the
1:36:12
outside so big or by existing on the outside, change the inside.
1:36:17
And that is, that is what happened either with some of my
1:36:21
influence or probably just due to the course of events on some
1:36:24
level. But it was very early on.
1:36:26
I just made the decision that look, I'm, I'm in politics, I'm
1:36:29
just going to do it. I'm just going to figure it out
1:36:31
one day at a time. So I was on the outside almost
1:36:34
from the very beginning and there was never going to be any
1:36:37
other way for me, I guess. I guess the big thing was I try
1:36:40
to get a job in the conservative movement at the Leadership
1:36:43
Institute. And I went there for a two week
1:36:46
job training and the first day they said everybody in the class
1:36:51
go up and down and answer the question why you're a
1:36:53
conservative. And I gave this like speech.
1:36:56
I was like, you know, France is no longer France, America's no
1:37:00
longer America. I'm like, if we don't close the
1:37:02
damn borders to these immigrants, are civilizations
1:37:05
gone? It's about the people and which
1:37:08
like nowadays it's like, OK, that's like 101.
1:37:12
But the lady who oversaw the class, she was an immigrant
1:37:16
herself. She tanked my application the
1:37:19
first day. And so I said, wow, I can't even
1:37:22
get an entry level job. And like this bum fuck like
1:37:26
nonprofit or whatever, creating leadership institute chapters on
1:37:31
college campuses. I was like, if I can't get a job
1:37:33
here, this is really cooked. I got fired from RSBN like a
1:37:37
week later. So that that's kind of what did
1:37:40
it for me. It's like, clearly I'm not going
1:37:42
to be able to climb this ladder at all, so I had to go and just
1:37:45
do it myself. And let me, let me, cuz I really
1:37:47
want to have the audience understand this, right?
1:37:50
So as you guys know, I covered dating self improvement, also
1:37:53
this stuff, right? I've, I've been recently getting
1:37:55
pretty involved in, in political commentary, right?
1:37:57
And you know, me coming in as an outsider, right?
1:38:01
And then coming in and seeing how the conservative media
1:38:04
apparatus works. It's controlled by Jews, bro.
1:38:07
It's fucking crazy. And I don't think people
1:38:10
understand how much of A career destruction it is to be a
1:38:14
political commentator in conservative media and not be
1:38:18
supportive of Israel. It is literally a death
1:38:21
sentence. So I just wanted to add a little
1:38:24
bit more credence to what you're saying here.
1:38:25
Because until you go into that field and you see what's going
1:38:28
on, you'll never understand how bad they will blackball you if
1:38:34
you don't have the right opinion about Israel.
1:38:37
And this is me coming in as an outsider observing this.
1:38:39
So bro, kudos to you man. And I don't think you get enough
1:38:41
credit for talking about this shit for so long and, and, and
1:38:45
literally losing everything for it, dude.
1:38:46
Because conservative media is absolutely fucking run by them.
1:38:50
But but Andrew, what about you? What would you say was the
1:38:51
turning point where you said I'm 10 toes and now fuck these
1:38:54
assholes? No, you're absolutely right
1:38:56
because it's an indefensible position by this point to still
1:39:00
be defending Israel and a lot of the mainstream conservative
1:39:03
influencers are still trying to do it.
1:39:05
In fact, it's tanked conservatism as a whole.
1:39:09
I would argue that this whole Israel Palestine debate has
1:39:11
destroyed the whole idea of conservatism as a whole.
1:39:14
Because I have nothing against Charlie Kirk, for example.
1:39:17
I don't know him. I've never spoken to him in my
1:39:19
life. I've seen him on the campuses
1:39:20
destroying people about the basic things about, you know,
1:39:23
transgenders or whatever. I have nothing against him.
1:39:25
But the second he defends Israel, it's indefensible.
1:39:28
It's indefensible. There's no way to defend blowing
1:39:30
children to fucking pieces. You can't do that, and the fact
1:39:34
that they still try to do it, even though it's a completely
1:39:36
indefensible position, shows how afraid they are of the
1:39:39
blackballing and of the backlash.
1:39:41
My mentality was, I guess perhaps I came to this
1:39:46
conclusion, which isn't completely correct, but I like
1:39:48
to believe that our enemies, although they're evil, they're
1:39:50
not particularly special individuals, they're not
1:39:53
particularly unique, They're not actually great people.
1:39:56
They're evil people, but they're not great people.
1:39:59
And this was my conclusion from going from a Luton council
1:40:01
estate, single mother household, mixed race guy, all the way up
1:40:05
to like the Bugatti Owners Club and hundreds of millions of
1:40:07
dollars and my entire way up the chain, I was like, so where's
1:40:10
the good people at? Where's the amazing individuals?
1:40:13
And you get up to the top and realize that everyone's a
1:40:15
fucking dip shit. Even the people who are running
1:40:17
the country's a dip shit. Even all these people with all
1:40:19
this power's a dip shit. Keir Starmer's a dip shit.
1:40:22
They're all fucking dumb. And it came to this conclusion
1:40:25
that somehow all of the people who have agency amongst
1:40:30
themselves, who are unafraid of the cancellation and peer
1:40:33
pressure, who are charismatic, who are mentally strong, these
1:40:37
people always seem to be on the right side.
1:40:40
And all the people who are on the wrong side, although they
1:40:42
may have power on paper, are very UN extraordinary
1:40:46
individuals. They're really not impressive
1:40:48
people. And I guess from there I just
1:40:50
kind of started to push my audience.
1:40:52
My message is very base level. It's very mental strength,
1:40:55
physical strength. Don't be afraid.
1:40:58
Get rich so they can't cancel you at your job.
1:41:00
Stick up for yourself. Escape the matrix, be sovereign.
1:41:04
And then I added all this in with trying to encourage men to
1:41:07
be charismatic, to say what they need to say in a way that people
1:41:10
are going to agree with them. I'd like me.
1:41:12
And you have done it on Fresh and Fit.
1:41:13
We'll sit down, talk to a bunch of whores and by the end of it
1:41:15
have them saying, yeah, I'm a whore.
1:41:16
I shouldn't have done that. Like, that's that's the job,
1:41:19
right? So by trying to just encourage
1:41:21
masculine strength and care, charisma and the by and large, I
1:41:26
was trying to bring people over to our side of the fight because
1:41:28
I think our enemies are actually the most unimpressive people on
1:41:31
the planet. So once I felt like that was the
1:41:33
way out, I just doubled down on it.
1:41:35
It wasn't only just about me. I know Andrew Tate fans train
1:41:40
mentally and physically. I know Andrew Tate fans are hard
1:41:42
to intimidate. I know Andrew Tate fans will say
1:41:44
what they believe in. I know Andrew Tate fans are
1:41:46
trying to get rich. I know Andrew Tate fan.
1:41:48
I know what they're doing. And I, and by and large, anyone
1:41:51
who does those things falls on the right side of history.
1:41:53
So that's that. That was my decision.
1:41:56
OK, let's see here. OK, here's here's a good one
1:42:02
that I want to So what do you guys think is the most
1:42:06
misunderstood position that you hold right that people always
1:42:10
mischaracterize? If you do an interview, it's
1:42:12
almost guaranteed to fucking come up right?
1:42:14
And knowing what you know now, how would you reframe it?
1:42:19
I can go ahead and go first here on this one.
1:42:21
So one of the positions that people always get fucking pissed
1:42:24
off at me about, as I say, need to have sex with 50 women before
1:42:26
you, you know, start thinking about even getting married,
1:42:29
right? Make 6 figures a year, have at
1:42:32
least half a year of savings in a bank account somewhere, be in
1:42:35
good shape, obviously be 35 years old or older and then have
1:42:39
50 women. Now no one really argues with me
1:42:41
about the four things I mentioned before.
1:42:42
But when I talk about having sex with 50 girls, people really
1:42:45
harping on that 50 number and say that's degenerate blah blah
1:42:47
blah. But the reason why I say that is
1:42:49
because I want guys to be in a position where sex is no longer
1:42:52
a novel to them, right? So that they can be in a
1:42:54
position of dominance where their girl can't leverage sex
1:42:57
against it for compliance, right?
1:42:58
This happy wife, happy life bullshit, right?
1:43:00
Just because I understand how feminism and, and modern women
1:43:03
in general have changed the, the dating dynamic or the marriage
1:43:05
dynamic to even to the point where we got people that are
1:43:08
religious like Nick that can even acknowledge it.
1:43:10
So a lot of people mischaracterize that position.
1:43:12
It's like, oh, it's got to be a hard 50.
1:43:14
Look, dude, it could be 5, it could be 1.
1:43:16
Well, my point is I just need you to get to a point where sex
1:43:18
is no longer a novel to you and your wife can't hold it against
1:43:21
you. So that's my position that
1:43:23
people will always fucking misconstrue and try to attack me
1:43:25
on. But when I actually explained it
1:43:28
full through then like, oh, that makes sense.
1:43:30
But you know how people are, they watch clips, they don't
1:43:32
watch full content ever. So what would you guys say is
1:43:36
one of your positions that's always fucking mischaracterized
1:43:39
and you got to clarify. And then if you could do it
1:43:41
again, how would you reframe it now knowing what you know?
1:43:48
I mean, it depends on where it's coming from with regard to the
1:43:52
normie crowd. It's like everything and it's
1:43:54
always been everything, you know, it's, they
1:43:56
mischaracterized my position on race.
1:43:58
Israel, women, you name it. Or if it's from the right.
1:44:03
I would say the biggest 1 is that I'm an extremist.
1:44:06
I mean, I, I don't think I'm an extremist at all.
1:44:08
I think I'm moderate. It's kind of like my new thing
1:44:12
because I talked to these people and they're anticipating me to
1:44:15
be like a raging, a caricature of a Skinhead or something like
1:44:20
that. And when it really comes down to
1:44:23
it with regard to all these different issues, I think that
1:44:26
what is called far right, what is called anti-Semitic, what is
1:44:30
called white supremacist, it's really just reality.
1:44:33
You know, I had a clip that that went viral over the past couple
1:44:36
weeks where I'm talking about black people in Chicago.
1:44:40
And we emerged from a time recently where there was so much
1:44:45
political correctness around the subject of race and race
1:44:48
relations between blacks and whites.
1:44:50
And so I think the conversation is sufficient.
1:44:52
Now people see my take. And what I'm saying is like,
1:44:55
look, the city is a shithole and it's a shithole because you got
1:45:01
carjackings happening all the time.
1:45:03
It's because you have this like impropriety everywhere.
1:45:06
You know, we talk about black people in America.
1:45:09
People talk about fatigue, you know, fatigue from dealing with
1:45:12
black people. It's like we all know in our
1:45:15
lived experience and our day-to-day, what we can expect
1:45:18
from black people is be people being inconsiderate, people
1:45:22
being rude, aggressive, menacing, not following the
1:45:25
rules. And that's kind of always been
1:45:27
my position. It's like, you know, on some
1:45:30
level, people look at a person like myself or others, and they
1:45:33
think we want to ship all the black people out of America.
1:45:36
We want to kill them all or something like that.
1:45:39
And it's like, they've been here forever.
1:45:41
They've been here for 400 years. They've been here longer than my
1:45:43
family's been here. We just want them to behave.
1:45:46
We just want to hold everybody to a standard where people are
1:45:50
polite, respectful, clean, you know, decent, peaceful and the
1:45:55
rest of it. And it's like now that I'm back
1:45:58
on these mainstream platforms, I do a monologue about it.
1:46:01
And even the black people are all saying, yeah, I agree with
1:46:04
him. I get where he's coming from.
1:46:05
So, you know, that's just like one example.
1:46:08
I think that we really just need to return to common sense and
1:46:11
not like the gay common sense like Donald Trump where, you
1:46:14
know, he says common sense is like, no transgenderism.
1:46:17
I'm talking about like old school racism being common
1:46:20
sense, where it's like, yeah, we all know not all black people
1:46:24
are bad. We also know what's going on
1:46:26
with them, you know, and yeah, we don't have some weird desire
1:46:30
to like, dominate women or, you know, bully them.
1:46:34
But we're also like, yeah, they're, they kind of need to be
1:46:36
put in their place. You know, they do need a strong
1:46:39
hand. They do need to someone to treat
1:46:41
them in an assertive way. And even as far as the Jews are
1:46:44
concerned, for centuries, for millennia, we know what's going
1:46:49
on with the Jews now. We don't want to kill them all.
1:46:52
We don't want to hurt them. You know, people say you're a
1:46:54
Nazi. You want another Holocaust?
1:46:56
Absolutely not. At the same time, we know they
1:46:59
fucking love Israel and they're very tribalist.
1:47:02
Is it a good idea to have them run in Congress when they're
1:47:04
walking in with an IDF uniform? Obviously not.
1:47:08
So we just need that kind of like old school common sense.
1:47:10
I would say that's that's maybe the rebrand.
1:47:13
I would say I'm moderate that that's the misunderstanding.
1:47:16
Yeah, taking trips to Israel when they should be figuring out
1:47:18
the Epstein files, shit like that.
1:47:20
And, and I'll tell you this, Nick, like it's funny to me
1:47:22
because, you know, people that aren't familiar with you or
1:47:24
whatever, one of the first thing they say is you're friends with
1:47:26
a white supremacist. And, and I'm like, you know,
1:47:29
this guy hates black people. Why are you even around?
1:47:30
And I'm like, that's not true. Like he doesn't.
1:47:33
I know him in person. I've known him for a few years
1:47:35
now. Very cordial, very nice.
1:47:37
And then people forget that you literally helped yay with Yay
1:47:41
24. So if you were so racist, why
1:47:44
would you be helping a black man become president of the United
1:47:46
States? So I always laugh when they say
1:47:48
this stuff, when when they say that dumb shit.
1:47:50
But what about you, Andrew? What?
1:47:52
What would you say is one of your positions that's always
1:47:54
mischaracterized whenever you do interviews?
1:47:57
I know a lot of people, there's a bunch with you.
1:47:59
I know they mischaracterize. Yeah, but none of the
1:48:01
mischaracterizations are genuine.
1:48:03
None of them are genuine mischaracterizations.
1:48:05
It's divine people hoax all over again.
1:48:07
It's the wrap up smear. They do it on purpose and they,
1:48:10
they know exactly what they're doing.
1:48:12
They take something you've said and they take a small part of it
1:48:14
and they take out of context and they repeat it over and over and
1:48:16
over again. As I said, the whole Christian,
1:48:19
even the Jewish right wing, no one had a problem with me really
1:48:22
till I talked about October 8th and they had a huge issue with
1:48:25
me all of a sudden and it was all instant and overnight and it
1:48:27
changed instantly and completely.
1:48:29
So none of it's genuine. And you know, Nick's pointing
1:48:33
out very basic pattern recognition.
1:48:35
That's why humans are alive. We learned the pattern
1:48:37
recognition that if you go near the tiger, you get eaten by the
1:48:39
tiger. If you eat that plant, it's
1:48:41
poisonous. It's fucking pattern recognition
1:48:43
at this point. It's not racism, it's not
1:48:46
anti-Semitism. The things we're pointing out
1:48:48
are simply very well known pattern recognition and people
1:48:51
are too afraid to say them. But I don't think any of my
1:48:54
viewpoints are genuinely misunderstood.
1:48:56
I don't believe I could have said them in any other way to
1:48:58
make people understand them. I believe no matter how I said
1:49:01
it, they would have taken it, twisted it and weaponized it.
1:49:04
And one of the things that's most important you have to
1:49:06
understand about the world is when they weaponize things
1:49:09
against you, they always weaponize virtue.
1:49:12
They don't going to weaponize the fact that, you know, they're
1:49:14
not going to sit there and pretend that you're a bad person
1:49:17
unless they get to be a great person.
1:49:18
So they're going to come along and pretend they give a shit
1:49:20
about women so much so they can attack me.
1:49:22
They're going to come along and pretend they give a fuck about
1:49:24
the Holocaust so they can attack me.
1:49:25
I can you guys and me. It's all just weaponized virtue
1:49:28
garbage. It's the oldest trick in the
1:49:30
book, but a lot of people still fall for it.
1:49:33
So if you're going to tell the truth in this world, if you're
1:49:35
going to sit there and say yeah, this is the actual reality of
1:49:38
what's happening, you're always going to get pinned with some
1:49:40
bullshit no matter how you say it.
1:49:42
And the most important thing you can do is not give a fuck and
1:49:44
double down. Every time I got in trouble.
1:49:46
The BBC used to print articles about my emergency meetings when
1:49:50
I said racist words. So then I started saying them 15
1:49:53
* a show so many times that they can't print it anymore.
1:49:56
You can't do the same article every fucking day, *** So I just
1:49:59
kept doing it. You have to double down on it,
1:50:01
and a lot of people are afraid to do that because of the
1:50:03
backlash. But no matter what you try and
1:50:05
do and say, they're just going to attack you with it all day
1:50:07
long. Speaking of mischaracterized
1:50:09
positions, and I kind of want to throw this to Nick real quick
1:50:11
because I think I've been seeing so many people talk about this
1:50:15
and I don't think they give you a fair shot.
1:50:16
So we got a lot of people watching right now.
1:50:18
By the way, guys, if you're watching on fresh and I'm going
1:50:19
to switch over to Myron Gaines X on both Rumble on YouTube.
1:50:22
So come on over. I'm going to end the fresh and
1:50:23
Fish stream here in a second, but I'm going to ask this
1:50:25
question first. So Nick, a lot of people say
1:50:28
that you are a under undercover Dem.
1:50:31
You used to support Trump. Now you don't support him.
1:50:33
You have an issue with JD Vance. You're you're criticizing him
1:50:37
because you're a hater, right? People come at you and say that
1:50:40
you're doing you know, you're trying to mess with the
1:50:42
Republican Party, blah, blah, blah.
1:50:44
Right now. I know the reasons why, right?
1:50:46
And I make sense. But I don't think like people
1:50:49
have give you a fair shot when you give your criticisms of
1:50:53
Trump and his running mate JD Vance.
1:50:54
And I want to give you credit as well because you called it April
1:50:57
of last year that JD was going to be the vice president.
1:51:00
And then boom, Fast forward to July in the RNC and he gets, you
1:51:03
know, put in there. Cuz I remember I was there,
1:51:05
right? And the first thing he's talking
1:51:06
about is, is, is attacking Iran, punch him in the nose.
1:51:09
So I think it's pretty much undisputed now in the, in the
1:51:12
right wing conservative media that your predictions have been
1:51:16
damn near flawless. So if you could kind of just go
1:51:19
over, cuz I think a lot of people mischaracterize your
1:51:21
position on Trump and on JD Vance, I'll kind of just throw
1:51:23
it to you there and you can just take it wherever you want.
1:51:26
And guys, come on over to Myron Gaines X on everywhere on
1:51:29
Rumble, YouTube, whatever. I'm gonna end the fresh, fresh
1:51:31
stuff. But go ahead, Nick.
1:51:33
Yeah, I mean, as far as the whole Democrat thing is
1:51:37
concerned, it's very amusing to me.
1:51:39
It's very amusing. I almost don't even mind it
1:51:41
because, you know, people are fucking retarded about politics.
1:51:47
Like on some level you'd like to think that we're starting to get
1:51:51
it. The people are waking up.
1:51:53
They see what Israel's doing. And then at the same time, you
1:51:57
have to keep the Pareto principle in mind, the 8020
1:52:00
principle, which is that like 80% of the population is scum.
1:52:04
They're just like worthless scum now.
1:52:07
They're not worthless, but they're low IQ, low IQ
1:52:10
followers, whatever, whatever you want to call it.
1:52:13
There is a 2080 principle or an 8020 principle.
1:52:17
And here's what I mean by this. As far as I'm concerned, we are
1:52:21
so through the rabbit hole. Like I got red pilled when I
1:52:24
turned 18 and I was in college 10 years ago, whatever it was.
1:52:29
And we're at the point now where you have these basic normies.
1:52:32
They're just discovering Israel. At the same time, I go and
1:52:37
criticize Trump for something or another thing, and people say,
1:52:42
yeah, but I mean, the Democrat would have been worse, don't you
1:52:45
think? But the Democrats would have
1:52:46
been far worse. This is better than Kamala,
1:52:49
wouldn't you say? And to me, this is just such
1:52:51
like a basic mechanism of control, which is how the regime
1:52:56
will pay the will play the right off of the left.
1:52:59
I almost feel like it's passe. It is.
1:53:03
It's trite to even suggest that the right and left are the same.
1:53:08
And yet it needs to be said over and over and over again.
1:53:11
The Republicans, the fucking Republicans.
1:53:14
The Republicans are just as bad as the Democrats.
1:53:17
They always have been. Who brought us to Iraq?
1:53:20
The Republicans. Who made the economy the way it
1:53:24
is. Republicans.
1:53:25
Where? Where did where did NAFTA come
1:53:27
from? Yeah.
1:53:28
Bill Clinton signed it, but it came from the Republicans.
1:53:32
It's like, so, you know, people like to say, oh, you know, but
1:53:35
the Dems, but the left, but this, that and the other, the
1:53:38
Republicans are the same. They are virtually the same.
1:53:41
The platform is effectively indistinguishable.
1:53:44
They have the same donors. They go to the same parties.
1:53:47
They're the same people. And so, you know, like Dinesh
1:53:51
D'souza and I debated back in June, and Dinesh said this to
1:53:55
me. He said, you're starting to
1:53:56
sound like a Democrat. I'm like Democrats, Republicans.
1:54:00
Are we really still doing this thing?
1:54:01
As far as I'm concerned, it's like there are the people that
1:54:05
are disempowered and then there are the people that are in
1:54:09
power. Now, whether you or I are voting
1:54:12
Republican or Democrat, whether we watch Fox News or MSNBC,
1:54:16
we're still goyim. We're still stupid wage slaves.
1:54:20
We're still a bunch of stupid disenchanted, or I should say
1:54:24
disenfranchised wage slaves that are eating Zod slop, watching
1:54:28
slop on TV. And here we are arguing it
1:54:31
should be Biden. It should be Trump.
1:54:33
There's continuity. Trump armed the Ukrainians
1:54:37
first. Biden continued it.
1:54:40
Trump gave us the vaccine. Biden mandated it.
1:54:43
Trump started the Chinese tariffs.
1:54:45
Biden did the CHIPS Act and continued the tariffs.
1:54:48
Trump created the corporate tax rate, Biden kept it in place.
1:54:52
Trump extended it when he got back in.
1:54:54
It's all the same shit. It's always been all the same
1:54:57
shit. So.
1:54:59
And like I said, I feel like, I feel like George Carlin saying
1:55:03
that. I feel like an edgy midwit when
1:55:06
I say, oh, it's all one big club and you ain't it.
1:55:10
Yeah, I feel like a big, fucking stupid midwit when I say that.
1:55:13
And yet it still needs to be said because you have these
1:55:16
dummies that are like, we have to vote Republican every time
1:55:20
forever, or else the Democrats, they're going to what?
1:55:24
They're going to make a vaccine. They're going to let in illegal
1:55:27
aliens. Trump did the same thing.
1:55:29
So, you know, the promise of Trump is that he was going to
1:55:32
break us out of that. He didn't.
1:55:34
And now we need to recognize he's just another Republican
1:55:37
candidate and act accordingly. That was always my message.
1:55:41
Shit, what about JD Vance? Because a lot of people come at
1:55:45
you and say, oh, you're just attacking him for no reason.
1:55:48
Why? You know what?
1:55:49
What's your, what's your gripe with him?
1:55:51
I know you've mentioned before that he's another Trumper and
1:55:53
everything else like that, but what's your what's your position
1:55:56
on him? Because you're one of the few
1:55:57
people that have been extremely skeptical of him since the
1:56:00
beginning. This is to me or Andrew.
1:56:09
No, no. To, to, to you, Nick.
1:56:11
Oh, to me, they're talking, Andrew.
1:56:13
And you know, for me with regard to Trump, in my opinion, it was
1:56:16
a fail. It was a failure after the
1:56:18
inauguration in 2017, actually after the election in 2016,
1:56:23
because I was a ride or die Trump guy in 16.
1:56:26
I was a ride or die guy for Trump in 2020.
1:56:30
But looking back retrospectively, it all came
1:56:33
down after the election in 16. You know, and and I really made
1:56:37
this point last year during the the third election that he was
1:56:40
in the promise of the Trump campaign originally was it
1:56:45
wasn't that we would be marginally better than the
1:56:48
Democrats because that's what people are saying now.
1:56:50
They say, well, you know, it's better than the alternative, OK,
1:56:53
But in 16, the promise was not we're going to be better than
1:56:57
the Democrats at the minimum. The promise in 16 is that Trump
1:57:01
would be a Caesar like figure that would take over the
1:57:05
government, eliminate all corruption and literally seize
1:57:10
power and make the country great by force.
1:57:13
That was the promise. People forget that because a lot
1:57:16
of people weren't around back then.
1:57:18
Maybe they're too young. Maybe they weren't on board, you
1:57:21
know, maybe they weren't Trump supporters.
1:57:23
But in 16, he said in his inaugural or, or in his
1:57:26
announcement speech, actually in June of 2015, he said we need a
1:57:31
leader. We need someone who is literally
1:57:34
going to take the country and make it great.
1:57:37
And I loved like that language. Take the country.
1:57:42
I alone can fix it. I will take this country and
1:57:46
make it great. That was the kind of rhetoric,
1:57:49
you know, he said in April. In 2016, he said we will no
1:57:53
longer surrender this country or its people to the siren song of
1:57:58
globalism. In October 2016, he said Hillary
1:58:02
Clinton is controlled by international bankers, donors,
1:58:07
special interests. They're colluding to take over
1:58:10
the country like the rhetoric. People forget how hardcore it
1:58:14
was from the very beginning and the promise of 16, to put it
1:58:18
succinctly, was anti corruption. It was that the people well, and
1:58:24
and what's more, he said, the people are not being put first
1:58:29
because the politicians are controlled by the money.
1:58:32
He said we don't have real victories.
1:58:34
We never win. Our people are not being
1:58:36
prioritized. And why is this?
1:58:39
But politicians won't take action.
1:58:41
Why? They're paralyzed by money.
1:58:43
They're not really in control. The money is in control, he
1:58:47
said. So the only way to fix it is if
1:58:49
an extremely rich person from the oligarchy without taking
1:58:53
donor money, without the special interest, if one person could
1:58:57
get in and kind of get in the middle and get rid of all this
1:59:01
corruption and ignore the media, ignore the press, ignore the
1:59:05
money. And only then could they
1:59:07
actually take action and deliver real reform, real revolutionary
1:59:13
change. That's the kind of shit that
1:59:15
like, dude, like, yes, that is what we needed.
1:59:19
So I have a question for you both because I think we're going
1:59:21
to wrap up here and we're going to have to to do the rest of
1:59:23
this another time. But I have a question for you
1:59:25
both. Let's assume everything you've
1:59:27
said is true. Let's assume it's a big club and
1:59:29
we ain't in it. Let's assume that the
1:59:31
politicians are working against the people and everyone thinks
1:59:35
they're stupid, but they're not actually stupid.
1:59:36
They're just working for the people they really work for,
1:59:38
which is not you. It's the money, it's the banks,
1:59:41
it's the globalist, it's the international interest.
1:59:43
We understand that the Democrats and the Republicans are the
1:59:45
same. If we understand that nobody is
1:59:47
coming to save us, if we understand that it is extremely
1:59:50
optimistic to put all of this monumental failure down to some
1:59:54
degree of ineptitude when truthfully it is a managed
1:59:57
decline and it is very purposeful and that they're
2:00:00
doing all of this on purpose. Let's assume that all of that is
2:00:04
true, which is the conclusions I came to also and the only answer
2:00:07
I found for this. Was trying to implement a degree
2:00:11
of individual exceptionalism amongst my fans saying look it's
2:00:14
all fucked. You need to get as rich as you
2:00:16
can, as strong as you can, as charismatic as you can.
2:00:19
You need to be uncancelable. You need to have people listen
2:00:21
to you. You need to go out there and
2:00:23
show that you're not afraid of them.
2:00:25
Individual exceptionalism was the only answer I came to to
2:00:28
combating all of these things. Is there another answer was I
2:00:32
wrong What else can we be doing? What else can we be encouraging
2:00:35
people to do? Because everything Nick has said
2:00:38
is completely correct and I've known it for a very long time.
2:00:40
Also, if you think a political party is going to fucking turn
2:00:42
this shit around, you're out of your mind.
2:00:44
So what is the answer? What do we tell people at home
2:00:47
to do what? What is the solution to this
2:00:50
problem? Have to engage in politics, have
2:00:53
to engage in politics. You know, a lot of people are
2:00:55
very down on IT. People say, well, you know,
2:00:57
we're not going to vote our way out of this, no.
2:01:00
But if enough young people who are brilliant get involved in
2:01:04
some way, either they become rich or they become influential,
2:01:08
you know, in 20 years we will have a different class of people
2:01:10
that are running the show. And, you know, maybe if nothing
2:01:13
else, I mean, this is how I sort of imagine it in my mind.
2:01:17
We need to create a cadre, A revolutionary class.
2:01:21
And by that I mean we need lawyers, professionals,
2:01:24
entrepreneurs, money people, political people that when
2:01:28
called upon, when summoned, can go to Washington, DC and run our
2:01:32
society for a revolutionary new regime because we effectively
2:01:37
have that opportunity with Trump.
2:01:38
I just think about it from my experience, Trump won the
2:01:41
election in 16 and he had no gang.
2:01:44
He didn't have any *** with them.
2:01:45
It was just him. So it's like, who do you run the
2:01:47
Treasury? Who do you run?
2:01:48
The State Department? Well, you got to fall back on
2:01:51
who's there. And that's Wall Street, that's
2:01:53
the bureaucracy, that's the usual suspects.
2:01:55
That's because there was no cadre.
2:01:57
You know, they had this idea that they would, you know, they,
2:02:00
they had a website calledgreatagain.org.
2:02:03
They were going to solicit resumes from all the hillbillies
2:02:05
and hill people of America, you know, and there are obvious
2:02:08
reasons why they trashed that or whatever, But big reason is they
2:02:11
didn't have the personnel. There was no political will.
2:02:14
They didn't have organization. So I'm a big believer in people
2:02:18
need to create this revolutionary class.
2:02:20
That's kind of been my project. And before we get going though,
2:02:24
everybody in the live chat is asking about fans.
2:02:26
Can we talk about that before we all wrap this up?
2:02:29
Yeah, absolutely bro. I'm and you know I'm, I'm
2:02:32
hanging out. I'm going to continue streaming
2:02:33
after this so I'm not in a rush. I know Andrew, you.
2:02:35
It's late for you, Andrew, so I know you might have to go.
2:02:37
Nick, I'm going to be here anyway, so if you want to stay
2:02:38
on, you're more than welcome. And we could chop it up more
2:02:40
about politics, but yeah, we could definitely talk about
2:02:43
Vance, if you want. Yeah, talking.
2:02:45
About Vance You. Got them.
2:02:45
Yeah, I guess something wondering 'cause we kind of
2:02:47
touched on it earlier in Andrew. You kind of asked.
2:02:49
That question, I was looking at chat, I was like, what?
2:02:52
I asked you. It's a advance, yeah.
2:02:54
Well, and, and Andrew, you said that you know, you and Tristan
2:02:58
like Vance because Vance is an advocate for you guys in Europe
2:03:02
and Romania. So I that's why I wasn't going
2:03:04
to lean in. But I do just wonder what is
2:03:07
your position on Vance? Do you support him or what's
2:03:09
going on there? Well, it's the infinitely
2:03:12
divisible problem. I mean, I'm not going to lie and
2:03:14
pretend I know as much about him as you do.
2:03:16
You know a lot more about him than I do.
2:03:18
You seem to know his sources of funding and all these things.
2:03:20
And I don't like to preach ignorance, but it's true.
2:03:22
You know a lot more about him than I do.
2:03:24
It's a matter of he is the only one who is sticking up for
2:03:27
Europeans rights to speak freely.
2:03:29
He is the only one who mentioned what happened in this country
2:03:31
where I have Romanian children. He's the only person in the
2:03:34
entire American administration. He was all over wall to wall
2:03:37
news in Romania and the Romanians were very afraid of
2:03:39
what he was saying. He's the only one sticking up
2:03:41
for people in the UK and the ability, their complete lack of
2:03:45
the ability to speak. Now, I'm not saying that
2:03:48
everything else he's done is perfect.
2:03:49
I'm not saying I know it's history inside out.
2:03:51
But I am saying on a base level initially what he is saying I
2:03:55
completely agree with. Perhaps when that battle is won,
2:03:58
then the infinitely divisible problem.
2:04:00
Once you know, perhaps if Europe gets turned around and he
2:04:03
doesn't have to talk about that anymore, he might say something
2:04:05
else I disagree with. But what I've seen of him on the
2:04:08
issue I care about, I'm 100% aligned with him.
2:04:11
So now you can easily say, ah, but did you know his money came
2:04:15
from I didn't know. What I did know is that he was
2:04:18
the one who was wall to wall in Romania, saying what you're
2:04:21
doing here is garbage and bullshit.
2:04:22
So I support his view he had there and I respect the fact
2:04:25
that he was the one sticking up for us here in Europe.
2:04:28
And, and I'm not saying he's the perfect person for the same
2:04:30
reason I respect Elon for freeing us all on Twitter.
2:04:33
And I completely disagree with him on a lot of other things.
2:04:36
Perhaps maybe it's just, you know, I'm an older man.
2:04:39
Perhaps it is what it is. Perhaps I like to be respectful
2:04:41
of people who I think are doing the right thing on some issues.
2:04:44
I'm not going to pin him down on every single thing he does.
2:04:46
I disagree with when he's doing something important that I do
2:04:48
agree with. And that fight's not over yet.
2:04:51
Until that fight is over, until those orcs are slave, I just
2:04:54
want to let him to do what he's going to do because no one else
2:04:56
is doing it. That's my very simple view.
2:04:59
I think we got to slay the elves.
2:05:00
I'm I'm more worried about the elves than the orcs.
2:05:03
We got to slay the dark elves, if you know what I'm saying.
2:05:07
Metaphorically and politically, I disagree.
2:05:10
And I think that in 2027, the grippers are going to overthrow
2:05:14
Vance. Steve Bannon actually went on
2:05:17
his show and he said that he might run in 2028 because he
2:05:21
doesn't think Vance has what it takes.
2:05:23
And I'm with Bannon on this one, you know, because Vance is the
2:05:26
connector for Silicon Valley. That's how we got the VP slot.
2:05:29
That's what gave him all this clout.
2:05:31
That's what we got in the Senate.
2:05:32
He's the connector for Elon, for Peter Thiel, for David Sachs,
2:05:36
for that whole crew. And maybe you're not interested
2:05:38
in all that. And look, you have a different
2:05:40
perspective here in Europe. I know a lot of Europeans that
2:05:43
are super pro Vance because he is an advocate for those guys.
2:05:46
I on some level I understand because you are in another
2:05:49
country. I get that.
2:05:50
But at least in America, this guy's a big problem, literally
2:05:54
and figuratively. He's fat and he's like a major
2:05:56
problem. So big, you know, conceptually.
2:05:59
And so for me, I said this the other day, 2027, the gropers are
2:06:03
going to descend on Iowa and we will overthrow him.
2:06:07
We will overthrow him over my dead body.
2:06:10
Will he be the nominee? And you could have it be any way
2:06:12
you like. You know, maybe it'll be someone
2:06:14
that's hasn't been announced yet, but I'm never advanced.
2:06:17
I'm never advanced. I'll never vote for a fat
2:06:19
person. I will never vote for, you know,
2:06:22
that whole Thanksgiving situation he had going on.
2:06:25
But maybe we'll just agree to disagree.
2:06:27
I think I I'll tell you something that you already know.
2:06:29
You have massive political clout.
2:06:31
You have massive political influence.
2:06:33
Your attack vectors are something you need to think
2:06:35
about heavily because your attack vectors are not people
2:06:38
coming to your door. Your attack vectors are some
2:06:40
fucking retard shooting up a school with a list of bullshit
2:06:44
in his pocket with your name on it and you and that that's your
2:06:47
attack vector. And I truthfully hope and wish
2:06:51
the absolute best for your movement in all ways.
2:06:53
I think what you're doing is very positive.
2:06:55
I think you're one of the most positive voices on the Internet.
2:06:57
I'm I've never been against you with a lot of the things you
2:06:59
say. I have views on certain people,
2:07:02
you we disagree and that's absolutely fine.
2:07:04
And I truthfully wish the best of the group for movement and
2:07:07
the best for America. And I'm an American too and I'm
2:07:08
going to be there in September. And I'm not against your
2:07:11
movement at all in any way. I just explained why my brother
2:07:14
and I were so pro Vance. And I'm sure perhaps if the
2:07:18
roles were reversed. If you were getting dragged in
2:07:21
and out of Romanian courtrooms, which were a stitch up.
2:07:23
If you were getting thrown in and out of Romanian jail.
2:07:25
If your assets were seized. If your Romanian kids were not
2:07:28
allowed to be seen by you. If you were getting charged
2:07:31
every 5 minutes for free speech violations for things you
2:07:34
tweeted and things you said on emergency meetings.
2:07:36
And the only American politician, the only one who
2:07:39
said anything in your defense was a guy called JD Vance.
2:07:42
You would probably wouldn't say yeah, but fuck you Vance.
2:07:46
You probably not that stupid, so you'd probably sit there and go,
2:07:49
well that would be pretty retarded and ungrateful to do.
2:07:52
You know more about Vance's history than I do.
2:07:55
I'm just explaining why my brother and I supported him
2:07:57
because he was the one who was highlighting what was happening
2:08:01
to us and it's as transparent as that.
2:08:03
If I can come into this real quick because I see here and I
2:08:06
actually, Andrew, you beat me to it.
2:08:07
I wanted to get your perspective on, you know, the current
2:08:09
administration because obviously me and Nick live in the United
2:08:12
States. We're going to be a bit more
2:08:14
critical of them because of, you know, we have to deal with the
2:08:16
consequences of their decisions. Versus when I've seen JD go to
2:08:20
Europe, he's been real good about calling out the European
2:08:22
government for cooking and not allowing free speech for saying
2:08:25
that you guys need to put more money in when it comes to
2:08:27
Ukraine. Standing up to Zelensky, he was
2:08:29
the one that actually started that argument at the White House
2:08:32
was Lensky saying you're being very disrespectful, etcetera.
2:08:35
So I can see from your position as an American living in Europe
2:08:38
how JD Vance has helped you especially.
2:08:40
The other thing too, I want to add, and I want to toss it to
2:08:41
you so you can answer it or because I don't want to go too
2:08:44
much in detail. Me and you have talked privately
2:08:46
about this. We know that the Biden
2:08:47
administration was heavily involved in your, your
2:08:49
politicized prosecution, right? So anything compared to those
2:08:52
dickheads is going to be better. So.
2:08:55
Yeah, yeah, I don't want to interrupt, but we have to think
2:08:57
one, we have to make one thing very, very, very clear.
2:08:59
It is extremely easy for the Anon who has a cartoon profile
2:09:04
picture and nobody knows his fucking name to sit there all
2:09:07
day and be yelling at people like us, telling us who we
2:09:09
should go against, what we should say and all these things.
2:09:12
But when you're the one who's literally having their life
2:09:15
completely wrecked things, you have to look at things in a
2:09:18
different perspective. And I'll be honest, I don't give
2:09:21
a shit that his wife is Indian. I give a shit that he was the
2:09:25
one saying to the Romanian government, you can't do this to
2:09:27
American citizens who have done nothing wrong.
2:09:29
That's what I give a shit about. And I argue anybody else who was
2:09:32
in a cockroach infested jail cell would probably think the
2:09:34
same, including Nick and including you Myron.
2:09:37
You'd sit there in jail and go, well, finally an American
2:09:40
politician gives a shit because this is completely unfair.
2:09:43
Now, maybe you're different than I.
2:09:44
Maybe you would say fuck you, I don't want your help, your
2:09:47
wife's Indian, maybe you would, I don't know.
2:09:50
But I'm saying that what I have seen of him in my own personal
2:09:54
experience has been very positive.
2:09:56
Doesn't mean he's a perfect person, doesn't mean he's the
2:09:58
best VP, doesn't mean I know everything about him.
2:10:01
Doesn't mean I even disagree with a lot of what you're
2:10:03
saying. I'm just explaining why my
2:10:05
brother and I would then support him.
2:10:07
It's a very obvious link there. It's not a complicated
2:10:10
conspiracy theory. Yeah.
2:10:12
And I mean, at the end of the day, the administration prior
2:10:14
didn't say anything or help you guys out at all.
2:10:16
So I'm completely, you know, empathetic to your position on
2:10:19
why you support him because, you know, the US government turned
2:10:22
their back on you with their invite administration at least.
2:10:24
The US government, the US government worked with the Brits
2:10:26
to lock us up. Blinken signed it.
2:10:29
Blinken himself said get them like this was the highest
2:10:32
possible level matrix attack to the tip tip top.
2:10:36
And if Kamala won I'd be in jail for 25 years.
2:10:39
So if anyone says why does Andrew not go batting against
2:10:42
the Trump admin, well I just think it would be disrespectful
2:10:45
for me to do that. It's not that I don't disagree
2:10:47
with a lot of the things they say.
2:10:49
Perhaps it's just the old school honor code of thinking.
2:10:51
Well OK yes everything Nick said is right.
2:10:54
They shouldn't be marginally better than the Dems.
2:10:55
Completely correct. They shouldn't have fucking
2:10:57
bombed Iran. That was insane.
2:10:59
They're doing lots of things wrong.
2:11:00
Completely agree completely, but I'm just saying if you ever look
2:11:04
at my brother and I's points of view, it's not some conspiracy.
2:11:07
We're not paid. The American admin don't even
2:11:09
talk to us because we're so toxic.
2:11:13
We're not on their team in any way.
2:11:14
We don't have direct link to any of them.
2:11:16
It's just a matter of sitting there going well.
2:11:19
At least they highlighted the problem that was happening to us
2:11:21
personally. Very much like if Vance were to
2:11:24
visit a fucking family farm somewhere in Colorado and help
2:11:28
them with their fucking wheat harvest, I'm sure they'd be pro
2:11:32
Vance irregardless of what of his other shit is.
2:11:34
That's all it is. So I actually enjoy these
2:11:37
conversations. I enjoy learning some of the
2:11:39
things you guys know. I enjoy hearing your
2:11:41
perspective. I'm not arguing against it.
2:11:44
I'm just explaining why my brother, especially my brother
2:11:48
more than me. In fact, if you look at my
2:11:50
account, you see hardly any. My brother especially support
2:11:53
advance because he was the only one he saw on TV calling for
2:11:56
Romania to be a fair democratic country.
2:11:58
And Tristan has seven Romanian children.
2:12:00
That's all it is. It's not a complicated
2:12:01
conspiracy theory. That's all it was.
2:12:03
Yeah, no, I'm your perspective, I completely understand it,
2:12:05
right. And that's why I think it was
2:12:06
very important, you know, for us to kind of because people don't
2:12:09
understand the position that you're in as an American dual
2:12:12
citizen living in Europe. It's a completely different
2:12:14
perspective. So I totally, I get it.
2:12:16
I did want to get into the Iran war a little bit.
2:12:19
I don't know, Andrew, how much time you have or you Nick, if
2:12:21
you guys want to say it for later or keep going.
2:12:23
But I, I did want to get into Iran, but I don't want to hold
2:12:26
anybody up. If if you guys got to go, that's
2:12:27
totally cool. But I'll leave it to you guys.
2:12:30
Yeah, I got to get going pretty soon, but we could pick it up
2:12:32
another time. Yeah, that's fine.
2:12:34
We'll save that one for for next time.
2:12:37
But once again, I wish you guys the best, the absolute best.
2:12:39
You probably know it somehow I'm enjoying my summer.
2:12:42
So I I'm glad you guys are holding it down and keeping it
2:12:46
real and saying all the racist things that need to be said.
2:12:49
So I really wish you the best that I'm not your enemies in any
2:12:52
way. And I'm always happy to come
2:12:54
online and discuss and explain why any of our points of view or
2:12:57
any of the things we retweet or XYZ come across a certain way.
2:13:00
Anyone who believes I'm a fed, I've strongly think you should
2:13:05
have your head checked. And I'd love to know where these
2:13:07
feds are when I'm getting thrown in jail.
2:13:09
And anyone who thinks I'm pro Jew, I'd love to know where
2:13:11
their money is because I don't have any of that shit.
2:13:13
So I know the truth and I think most people actually know the
2:13:17
truth. There's just some extreme people
2:13:18
on the right who are going to call everybody a Jew no matter
2:13:20
what. I wish you guys the absolute
2:13:22
best. I wish America the absolute
2:13:23
best. I'm coming to America and
2:13:25
nobody's 100% right about anything.
2:13:27
Everybody's a little bit wrong. And that's what's so fantastic
2:13:30
about the human condition. We all need to have different
2:13:32
points of view, and hopefully if enough people have enough
2:13:34
different points of view, we can get somewhere near the truth.
2:13:36
So thanks again for the conversation.
2:13:38
I really enjoyed it and I'm happy to do it again absolutely
2:13:40
anytime. Did you guys want to tell them
2:13:42
what we're thinking about in September?
2:13:44
It's up to you guys if you want to.
2:13:46
Well, I know I'm going to be in America in September, so I'm
2:13:49
going to be around. So I'm going to be around.
2:13:52
So I don't have anything really that planned.
2:13:54
But you know me, Myron, you know me.
2:13:55
So just, I'll be blowing up your phone anyway, whether we work or
2:13:58
we don't work. So I'll be around.
2:14:00
And you know, one more thing to really keep in consideration
2:14:03
that's so important about this Internet world and Twitter and
2:14:06
Rumble and all these comments and all this bullshit.
2:14:08
I've never had anyone say anything negative to me in
2:14:10
person ever, male or female. I've never had a woman even say
2:14:14
anything negative. In fact, they come up to me and
2:14:15
they doped adoringly. So, you know, all of us are
2:14:18
massive cultural forces. We're all massively loved by the
2:14:21
general population. And that's a fantastic thing to
2:14:24
finally feel after suffering so much, to tell the truth.
2:14:26
So I think we should all be very proud of ourselves and we should
2:14:28
enjoy it for what it is. And we should continue to do our
2:14:30
very best to be entertaining and tell the truth at a level that
2:14:33
people can understand and digest.
2:14:35
And hopefully we can us 3 plus whoever else can work together
2:14:39
long enough to make a genuine impact on the culture because
2:14:42
all these evil people, these scumbags, this big club we're
2:14:44
not in, they are dying. And I don't see a future for
2:14:48
Israel with the new current generation.
2:14:50
I don't see a future for a lot of these things, considering
2:14:52
that the youth, the future voters, the future policemen,
2:14:55
the future lawyers exactly like Nick highlighted are going to be
2:14:58
fans of mine, fans of Myron's and fans of Nick Fuentes, It's
2:15:01
going to be a very different world.
2:15:03
So I think we do our very best to keep that in mind and keep it
2:15:05
contained and keep it as effective as possible.
2:15:09
And we enjoy the battle for what it is.
2:15:11
And whatever happens, we all get to go down in history, which is
2:15:13
a fantastic thing to know. And hopefully it all ends up
2:15:16
well for us because we've pissed some very powerful people off.
2:15:19
And as it currently stands, I've suffered the most so far.
2:15:22
But I'm not dead. And I hope that none of us end
2:15:25
up there and none of you have to go through what I went through.
2:15:27
So let's just keep up the good fight and never give up.
2:15:31
Unfazed. Absolutely.
2:15:34
So what? I'll tell the people this guys
2:15:36
tentatively look for September 19th.
2:15:38
I know me and Nick had something set up for September 19th.
2:15:40
We'll try to get Andrew in there if things switch around,
2:15:43
obviously I'll update you guys immediately.
2:15:45
But right now mark your calendars for September 19th.
2:15:47
Hopefully Andrew can make it in and or even if he comes in the
2:15:50
day after, right. We can, you know, do something
2:15:52
with Nick on the 19th. Then Andrew comes in and we do
2:15:55
something else, right. They'll be in town for a bit.
2:15:57
So we'll we'll definitely make it crazy.
2:15:59
Bring them out with some girls. That'll be a good time in Miami.
2:16:01
Maybe do some vlogs, stuff like that.
2:16:04
Nick, what about you, man? Are you going to do America
2:16:05
First tonight? Yes.
2:16:08
What time are you going to go live?
2:16:09
I'll make sure I get off. Move everybody over.
2:16:12
What time? Oh, night time.
2:16:15
I'm thinking some sometime after I guess.
2:16:17
Yeah, you know, night. I don't know, probably 93930 ish
2:16:23
we'll shoot for, but but yeah, no.
2:16:25
Great conversation. And Andrew, likewise.
2:16:27
I don't consider you an enemy at all.
2:16:29
I consider you a friend and it's good to just get on the stream
2:16:32
and just talk. And it's different perspectives
2:16:34
and it's different views. And that's really what it's
2:16:36
about. You know, it's no gatekeepers,
2:16:38
no censorship, none of that shit, as long as people can get
2:16:41
together. And, you know, I think, like you
2:16:43
said, we're all 90% on the same side.
2:16:45
That's what counts. So great conversation, fellas.
2:16:48
Let's pick it up again soon. Yeah, absolutely, man.
2:16:50
All right, guys, I'll see y'all. I'm gonna stay on stream, guys,
2:16:52
if you're watching, definitely. Once Nick goes live, I'll move
2:16:55
everybody over there and I'm gonna get off.
2:16:57
So let me know, Nick, if you do get a time.
2:16:59
I know you're on black people's time though, even though you're
2:17:01
white. I will.
2:17:02
All right, man, later guys all. Right, see you guys, all right,
2:17:05
come in and out. All right, chat.
2:17:07
I'll see you, Andrew on Facebook.
2:17:09
Peace out, brother. I'm.
2:17:10
Gonna end the. Stream All right, guys.
2:17:11
So hold on one SEC. I'm gonna go ahead.
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You guys have enjoyed. It W stream ninjas W stream W
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stream. I got a black screen.
2:17:20
Give me one SEC Ninjas. Let's.
2:17:23
See if we can get that out of here before I sign off.
2:17:26
Let's get me back on the big box.
2:17:30
Bring that over here. We'll click and drag.
2:17:33
What's up, fellas? How we doing?
2:17:35
We're back, we're back. Oh yeah OK.
2:17:38
It was a fun time. Good debate.
2:17:39
I thought it was funny how Tate had to get off when they started
2:17:42
talking about fans. I mean it is late where he's at
2:17:45
so it's probably not that but still very funny.
2:17:48
Hope you guys enjoyed the show. I know I didn't talk too much
2:17:50
and I was in and out. Like I said, I've been selling
2:17:52
stuff on Facebook almost all day for moving but I'll be trying to
2:17:56
stream almost every day while I'm moving.
2:17:57
It's easier than shooting pre recorded videos.
2:18:00
So thank you guys. Talk to you later.