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KRAKEN THIS MORNING: Beniers, Finland Olympians, and checking in on the Canucks (1/2) · Seattle Kraken Audio Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Cracking this morning, a presentation of the Crack
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  Speaker 1: and audio network Ken Sports Radio ninety three point three
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  Speaker 1: kjr FM. Here's Mike Betton.
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  Speaker 2: Bit of a late morning drop here for you as
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  Speaker 2: we get set for the second game of back to
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  Speaker 2: back end the Crack and looking to keep a great
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  Speaker 2: run going even further and five zero to one in
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  Speaker 2: the last six games and waking up this morning in
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  Speaker 2: a wildcard spot in the Western Conference. Welcome to Cracking
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  Speaker 2: this morning, on a Friday, January second, with the Cracking
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  Speaker 2: taken on the Vancouver Canucks for the second time this
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  Speaker 2: week and in the second matchup of this regular season,
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  Speaker 2: later start time than usual tonight, puck drops little past
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  Speaker 2: seven thirty pm at Rogers Arena in Vancouver. Ever it
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  Speaker 2: fits you, Al Koniski on the call, I'll join you
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  Speaker 2: seven o'clock back at Network Central for all the action
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  Speaker 2: art course on ninety three three KJARFM and the Global
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  Speaker 2: Credit Union Craken Audio Network. We will hear from Matty
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  Speaker 2: in his reaction after last night's victory over the Nashville
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  Speaker 2: Predators and Veneers's game continuing to pick up even more.
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  Speaker 3: We'll hear from.
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  Speaker 2: Maddie Banier's plus get the lowdown from Satire Shaw, Canucks
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  Speaker 2: radio host as well on sports Nets six point fifty
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  Speaker 2: and we'll talk more about the Quinn Hughes trade in
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  Speaker 2: their outlook with this Western Conference playoff picture shaping up
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  Speaker 2: in the Canucks with the immittally a steep hill to
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  Speaker 2: climb right now to get back into this mix, yet
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  Speaker 2: pulling off the trade which also involves a big parts.
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  Speaker 3: Of their future. Satire Shaw joining us in just a bit.
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  Speaker 2: Well, flashing back to last night, the Kraken made sure
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  Speaker 2: the fireworks didn't stop after midnight on New Year's Day,
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  Speaker 2: and hold the.
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  Speaker 3: Point I've been shot.
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  Speaker 4: Maddie veneers out in front.
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  Speaker 3: He snaps a night game.
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  Speaker 5: Gold routs and na see up cracking take a one
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  Speaker 5: nothing lead sixteen twelve to play.
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  Speaker 6: In the first well was Ryker Evans right at the
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  Speaker 6: offensive blue line, who keeps the puck in the zone
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  Speaker 6: with a reach of his stick.
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  Speaker 3: He gets a shot on Debt.
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  Speaker 6: He's not looking to score from there, He's looking for
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  Speaker 6: something on net. If Manny peers in front with the deflection,
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  Speaker 6: one upping.
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  Speaker 5: Crash Slash sets.
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  Speaker 3: The big rig with a big goal.
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  Speaker 7: Midway through Perry and one, Seattle with a two nothing lead.
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  Speaker 6: Well, very similar to the first goal. The first goal
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  Speaker 6: was Ryker Emits keeping the pucket. This time it gets
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  Speaker 6: back to Alexiak. He looks to his left and I
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  Speaker 6: think that was enough for YUC Sorrows.
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  Speaker 3: To maybe move a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: Then Alexiak puts it on Debt, which finds its way
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  Speaker 6: through traffic.
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  Speaker 5: Two nothing Bracket, Seattle, back yet off the face of sky,
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  Speaker 5: the captain down the left wing, a squabble in front,
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  Speaker 5: not e Veneers leads the handshake line.
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  Speaker 3: Three nothing Seattle.
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  Speaker 6: Everybody got a touch on it as well, but it
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  Speaker 6: was a good crash to the Debt and everybody put
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  Speaker 6: the second shot on det and it was finally Mattypaneers
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  Speaker 6: and founded the blue paint push it home.
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  Speaker 3: Three nothing Cracket.
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  Speaker 2: That three goal first period enough to knock out the
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  Speaker 2: Nashville Predators for one, Jared mccannon adding a third period
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  Speaker 2: empty net goal, answering Roman Yosi's power play goal back
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  Speaker 2: in period two with the Krake and improving to five
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  Speaker 2: and two in seven games at home over Nashville and
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  Speaker 2: taking the first matchup of the regular season series. Needless
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  Speaker 2: is say matters have turned very much for the better
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  Speaker 2: in the last couple of weeks. Even without the likes
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  Speaker 2: of Jaden Schwartz and Brandon Montour in the crack and
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  Speaker 2: lineup for starters, the penalty kill has been lights out,
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  Speaker 2: allowing just one power play goal over the last five games,
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  Speaker 2: and that was Yosi's power play goal last evening.
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  Speaker 3: Maddie but Here is also picking up his.
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  Speaker 2: Third multi goal effort of the regular season and just
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  Speaker 2: falling short of his first career hat trick. But Benier's
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  Speaker 2: very bullish on the Kraken and their penalty kill and
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  Speaker 2: his reaction after last night's win speaking with the media.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, kill did a great job right out of
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  Speaker 8: the gate. You know, that can go one of two ways.
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  Speaker 8: We got a little met him from that, and then
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  Speaker 8: we put a couple in. Yeah, it's you know, I
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  Speaker 8: think we we haven't been in that situation too much,
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  Speaker 8: so we'll get, you know, hopefully a little bit more
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  Speaker 8: used to playing with that lead and trying to keep pushing.
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  Speaker 8: But you know, we could we got a done closed
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  Speaker 8: it out and there's a good one when you.
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  Speaker 9: Talk about playing with the lead, like what what is
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  Speaker 9: what are some of the challenges of doing that?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I think you sit back for me
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  Speaker 8: a little bit. Guys, get a little bit more you know,
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  Speaker 8: offensive minded, you know, which isn't a bad thing, but
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  Speaker 8: you gotta obviously take care of your own end and
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  Speaker 8: make sure you're not turning pucks over and giving them
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  Speaker 8: free offense. So you know, we did that a little bit,
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  Speaker 8: but I thought we cleaned it up after a few
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  Speaker 8: chances and and closed it out.
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  Speaker 10: I've seen the fourth line role for you know, second
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  Speaker 10: game in a row.
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  Speaker 11: Now, how do they impact the arrest of the group?
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  Speaker 8: You guys, they've been awesome, you know, night every night, honestly,
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  Speaker 8: you know, they've been creating chances, you know, O zone
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  Speaker 8: shifts after ozone shifts, you know, setting up the next
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  Speaker 8: line for you know, a good O zone shift. So
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  Speaker 8: they've they've been awesome, bring in energy, physicality, uh, kind
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  Speaker 8: of everything you want in your fourth line. So they
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  Speaker 8: can't say enough great things about him.
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  Speaker 10: How's your two goals happen from your perspective?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, for I mean, first one just kind of hit
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  Speaker 8: my stick tipped in front. And then the second one,
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  Speaker 8: you know, Cat made a great play across the tabs
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  Speaker 8: and yeah, I just went to the neat and I
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  Speaker 8: was just sitting there, so I just poked it in,
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  Speaker 8: you know, not not super pretty, but they all count.
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  Speaker 8: So I had a good look at the hat check
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  Speaker 8: at the end the yeah, you know close.
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  Speaker 10: What do you think about Groovy's game tonight?
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  Speaker 8: He's been awesome. Yeah, Groovey's been an out rocking net.
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  Speaker 8: You know, no noising goals, even their one goal is
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  Speaker 8: an absolute rep top shelf from from walking down the
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  Speaker 8: slot right. And he made a couple of staves that
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  Speaker 8: he might not you know, he's might not supposed to
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  Speaker 8: be making out there tonight. So you know, every time
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  Speaker 8: he's been in he's been awesome. And yeah, both our goalies.
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  Speaker 10: Have on that front.
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  Speaker 12: That sequence Lady makes to save a couple of rebound
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  Speaker 12: chances there when they're trying to get back in it
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  Speaker 12: to have him kind of standing there like that, and
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  Speaker 12: how big is that you get?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Huge?
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  Speaker 8: I think it happened like twenty two or three times.
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  Speaker 8: Uh kind of nuts man. When we were you know,
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  Speaker 8: maybe maybe cheating a little bit too much for offense
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  Speaker 8: then we needed to and he you know, comes up huge,
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  Speaker 8: you know, one whack, two whactor, whack, you know, big
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  Speaker 8: pilot the net. Yeah, she was she was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: So again the crack and pick up where they left
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  Speaker 2: off and also dish some payback to Vancouver following three
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  Speaker 2: to two in a shootout back on Monday night at
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  Speaker 2: Climate Pledge Arena. As they gear up for that major
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  Speaker 2: news coming down earlier this morning, involving two more cracking
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  Speaker 2: players and the upcoming Winter Olympics.
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  Speaker 3: Seattle off a change. Here's Tolban.
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  Speaker 7: It shoots scors Elle Tolman and off the bench, stumbles
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  Speaker 7: his way to the right circle and our wrister in
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  Speaker 7: past Askarov.
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  Speaker 6: It's a one nothing Seattle kracking lead, thirteen oh eight
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  Speaker 6: to play. In the second Ranker Evans seem to get
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  Speaker 6: across Janny Newman, Madu Evans down.
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  Speaker 7: The slot shot tip scor.
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  Speaker 4: A shot from Ryker Evans redirected in by Coppo Cocko
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  Speaker 4: and the Kraken on the power play take a two
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  Speaker 4: to one lead two forty four to play.
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  Speaker 6: In the second was a great keep by the Cell,
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  Speaker 6: cracking right at the blue line. It got over, it
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  Speaker 6: got over to uh Ryk Reverends from Newman and then
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  Speaker 6: Evans sold the shot waiting for Coco to get to
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  Speaker 6: the front of the net. Put the puck hard on
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  Speaker 6: the ice Cocko with the redirect it's two one kracking.
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  Speaker 2: Forward Zelly Tolbanan and Coppocco will go play for Team
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  Speaker 2: Finland coming up in the twenty twenty six Games opening
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  Speaker 2: this next month. Cocko, of course with experience from Finland's
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  Speaker 2: Four Nations face off roster a pair of games had.
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  Speaker 3: One assist as well.
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  Speaker 2: Tolvenen, though earning his spot right now after a breakout
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  Speaker 2: month on the Crack and roster, on pace right now
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  Speaker 2: for a new career high and assists and points, and
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  Speaker 2: admittedly a surprise omission from Finland's Four Nations faceoff roster,
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  Speaker 2: but bouncing back to earn a spot in the World
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  Speaker 2: Championships on their roster and now a part of the
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  Speaker 2: Winter Olympics. This will be Tolvenen's second appearance in the
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  Speaker 2: Winter Olympics and Coaco's first as a member of Team Finland,
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  Speaker 2: the two joining Crack and goaltender Philip Grubauer already selected
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  Speaker 2: for Team Germany's roster, so as that new solidifies the Kraken.
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  Speaker 2: Gearing up for another Pacific Division matchup this evening, they
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  Speaker 2: will face the Canucks team with a little more rest
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  Speaker 2: under their belt, they haven't played since Tuesday night, when
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  Speaker 2: they lost six to three to the Philadelphia Flyers, which
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  Speaker 2: has them coming down a little bit off a rush.
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: Following the Quinn Hughes trade win, they won four consecutive games,
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  Speaker 2: but the Canucks now have lost three of their last
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  Speaker 2: four and that only win was in the shootout in
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  Speaker 2: Seattle back on Monday night. But a big part of
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  Speaker 2: this the Canucks looking to their future, trading their former
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  Speaker 2: captain and defenseman and perhaps one of the greats in
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  Speaker 2: Canucks history, Quinn Ughes to the Minnesota Wild in exchange
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  Speaker 2: for three young players and very good ones as well,
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  Speaker 2: defenseman z boom Fours, Marco Rossi, and Liam Mulgren, along
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  Speaker 2: with the first round draft pick in twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: How that sets the Canucks up here for the future
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  Speaker 2: and their outlook right now in this playoff picture where
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  Speaker 2: they stand six points out of the cut line. Here's
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  Speaker 2: our conversation from Cracking Weekly with Canucks radio host Sat
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  Speaker 2: to our shot.
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  Speaker 11: Well, and I think that's the You know, if you
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  Speaker 11: ask fans in Vancouver, some are more focused on finishing
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  Speaker 11: thirty second.
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  Speaker 10: They want a high draft pick there.
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  Speaker 11: You know, there's been a lot of talk about re
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  Speaker 11: building and the team embracing the suck, so to speak,
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  Speaker 11: and being bad for a few years. But we'll see
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  Speaker 11: if that ultimately happens that way. But I thought last
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  Speaker 11: night the krack And were the better team for the
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  Speaker 11: most part. I thought the Crackning were better in the first.
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  Speaker 11: They're better in the third, and Kevin Lankinin really stole
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  Speaker 11: the show for Vancouver, especially yes, especially in the shoot up,
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  Speaker 11: but also early in the game. I mean, there was
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  Speaker 11: the breakaway right away from Coppococo lank and they made
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  Speaker 11: the glove. Say, Ben Myers had the rush going in
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  Speaker 11: to him, there was a great chance from Eberley. There
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  Speaker 11: was another chance on the power play afterwards as well,
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  Speaker 11: and lank they made some huge stops and you got
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  Speaker 11: to give the Connects credit. I thought they played well
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  Speaker 11: in the second and you never apologize for getting great goaltending,
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  Speaker 11: but I do think it.
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  Speaker 10: Was it was a somewhat of a stolen win to.
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  Speaker 11: Some degree because I thought, you know, the crack And
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  Speaker 11: on the totality of the night were better. And one
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  Speaker 11: thing that crack And I think have done a better
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  Speaker 11: job of, and you guys will know this better than me,
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  Speaker 11: is defensively, they've been pretty good this year for the
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  Speaker 11: most part, now giving up a ton, and I thought
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  Speaker 11: for the most part last night they were superior defensively.
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  Speaker 11: But you know, sometimes you get goaltending, you get some saves,
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  Speaker 11: and some time they scoring. And you know, for Vancouver,
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  Speaker 11: there're twenty ninth now in the league, I believe, and
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  Speaker 11: that can change really quickly. It doesn't look like the
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  Speaker 11: playoffs are a realistic, you know, end goal here for Vancouver,
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  Speaker 11: even the games they won. They're five and two in
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  Speaker 11: their last seven, and you never, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 11: boo the wins because hey, you give the team credit
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  Speaker 11: or finding ways to win. But a lot of it's
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  Speaker 11: been Lanka and being stellarn to shootout. Last game he
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  Speaker 11: won against was against Boston. This game last night against Seattle,
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  Speaker 11: thatcher dem goal was sensational on that five game road trip,
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  Speaker 11: and they've found ways to win because of their goaltending,
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  Speaker 11: and sometimes goaltending a.
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  Speaker 10: Carrier pretty far. But it's also not a recipe for
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  Speaker 10: sustained success game in a game out.
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  Speaker 11: So I'm not sure that Vancouver is ready to launch
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  Speaker 11: off into the playoff race, whereas I think Seattle, at
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  Speaker 11: least they have a real strong backbone with how they
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  Speaker 11: defend and their goaltending for the most part, and whether
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  Speaker 11: that's going to be enough for Seattle to get into
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  Speaker 11: the playoffs, we'll see, But I do think they have
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  Speaker 11: a stronger foundation in terms of the playoff race moving
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  Speaker 11: forward than Vancouver does.
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  Speaker 3: Opinions may vary. What's yours right now?
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  Speaker 11: On the shootout, I mean, I guess I'm a bit
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  Speaker 11: tired of the shootout in general. At the same time,
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  Speaker 11: I know fans in the building seem to like it,
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  Speaker 11: they get into it or whatever. I'm always I'm a
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  Speaker 11: bit of a purist when it comes to sports, Like
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  Speaker 11: I don't mind ties. I think ties are perfectly fine.
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  Speaker 11: I don't mind going to overtime and it ending and
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  Speaker 11: going to a tie.
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  Speaker 10: But I know fans like it.
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  Speaker 11: And you know, having some certainty at the end of
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  Speaker 11: the game. It doesn't you know, it's not the worst thing,
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  Speaker 11: but it's just it's so different overtime and shootout in
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  Speaker 11: the regular season versus the playoffs. It's like two different sports.
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  Speaker 11: So I cannot feel like as soon as we get
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  Speaker 11: through regulation, we don't learn anything about a hockey team
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  Speaker 11: because it's nothing transferable. Once to get into the playoffs
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  Speaker 11: or no shootouts. There's no three on three, so it's
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  Speaker 11: just a bit of a circus. But it's for entertainment,
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  Speaker 11: so I don't have a problem with it. But generally
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  Speaker 11: I'm I'm kind of fine with ties and not having
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  Speaker 11: to go through all the extras.
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  Speaker 10: Here, let's talk about rivalry for a second.
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  Speaker 12: I'm not sure what Vancouver's perspective is on this, but
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  Speaker 12: I think Seattle and Vancouver are starting to get a
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  Speaker 12: fair the good rivalry is John Shorthouse coined, iye rivalry, Yeah,
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  Speaker 12: you know, and mccannon and Connor Garland kind of got
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  Speaker 12: that going last night as well in that game. What's
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  Speaker 12: the sense from your side is this? Is this something
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  Speaker 12: that's been kind of simmering for the past five seasons
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  Speaker 12: since the Crack and camer League. Is it is it growing?
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  Speaker 12: What are your thoughts?
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  Speaker 11: I'd say it would be kind of simmering a little bit,
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  Speaker 11: and it's one of those things where we are seeing
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  Speaker 11: some more, you know, the games are a bit more
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  Speaker 11: heated between the two rifles. I think every game we
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  Speaker 11: see now there is an extra edge to it, and
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  Speaker 11: I know maybe Meyer's got to go in with those
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  Speaker 11: with his hits on Viniers a couple of years back,
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  Speaker 11: and I know he's been persona non grata in Seattle,
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  Speaker 11: and I think those are great things because it creates,
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  Speaker 11: you know, the animosity from the fan base and the
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  Speaker 11: players that I think that adds an extra passion. So
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  Speaker 11: it's certainly growing. But I think ultimately for it to
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  Speaker 11: really blossom into this, this incredible rival we were all
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  Speaker 11: waiting for, it has to be a playoff matchup between
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  Speaker 11: the teams, and that's that's what truly elevates it, and
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  Speaker 11: that's when the stakes are at their highest. But there
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  Speaker 11: has been natural built in rivalry being you know, down
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  Speaker 11: the I five and the fact that a lot of
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  Speaker 11: Vancouver rights are super happy that Seattle does have a
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  Speaker 11: hockey team because you know, I've already seen some Canucks
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  Speaker 11: fans because of how things have gone, they're already switching
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  Speaker 11: allegiances and becoming crack and fans.
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  Speaker 10: But I think naturally fans want to get on board
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  Speaker 10: with it.
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  Speaker 11: For players, you're starting to see a bit more of
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  Speaker 11: aid game in a game out. But ultimately what we
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  Speaker 11: need is both these teams to be good at the
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  Speaker 11: same time and make the playoffs and ideally it'd be
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  Speaker 11: great if both these teams are top three in the division,
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  Speaker 11: let's say second and third one year, and they go
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  Speaker 11: headhead in the first round.
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  Speaker 10: I think those are the types of matchups.
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  Speaker 11: When teams are even and they get into that seven
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  Speaker 11: game series, it just elevates everything. It's kind of what
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  Speaker 11: happened with Vancouver and the Minnesota Wild for instance, some
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  Speaker 11: years back, and when they played their playoff series, and
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  Speaker 11: that's when Vancouver became Minnesota's biggest rival. And for a
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  Speaker 11: long time, those two teams really hated each other. And
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  Speaker 11: I think we're always going to have the rivalry because
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  Speaker 11: of the proximity between Vancouver and Seattle. But what we
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  Speaker 11: truly need is a seven game series and these teams
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  Speaker 11: going toe to toe.
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  Speaker 12: Who is Vancouver's biggest rivalry right now?
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  Speaker 11: Well, I mean, considering how bad they've been, it's just
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  Speaker 11: one of those things where you know, other teams don't
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  Speaker 11: view them as the rivals. But I'd say right now
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  Speaker 11: probably Edmonton because they played them last in the playoffs too,
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  Speaker 11: and they had Vancouver's number. But with the Canucks, you know,
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  Speaker 11: having this, you know, the false starts and not having
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  Speaker 11: the sustained success in the playoffs year in a year out.
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  Speaker 11: That's where there was, right, Like for a long time
• 15:26
  Speaker 11: those Calgary because Vancouver and Calgary would end up meeting
• 15:28
  Speaker 11: each other in the playoffs every few years. So for
• 15:31
  Speaker 11: the longest time was like, those are the two teams
• 15:32
  Speaker 11: that you know, really hated one another. There's always hatred
• 15:35
  Speaker 11: towards Toronto no matter what. So I think you have that.
• 15:38
  Speaker 11: But I'd say, if you have to pick one, I'd
• 15:40
  Speaker 11: say it's Edmonton right now.
• 15:42
  Speaker 9: It's funny you mentioned Tyler Myers in that hit. I
• 15:44
  Speaker 9: think between him, Cale mccarr and Martin paspisil the fan
• 15:49
  Speaker 9: base is starting to slowly pick out a few public
• 15:53
  Speaker 9: enemies around the league. You know, you mentioned earlier about
• 15:56
  Speaker 9: the Vancouver Canuck fan base and and and them wanting
• 15:59
  Speaker 9: to maybe tank for McKenna or whatever the case may be.
• 16:03
  Speaker 9: When you look at Rutherford and Alvin, I mean, it's
• 16:06
  Speaker 9: not an easy job being a GM of a Canadian team.
• 16:10
  Speaker 9: How do they manage those expectations from the fan base
• 16:17
  Speaker 9: wanting success and wanting a cup obviously, to trying to
• 16:20
  Speaker 9: avoid a full tear down and rebuilding on the fly.
• 16:25
  Speaker 9: What have you seen from that player development roster development
• 16:29
  Speaker 9: standpoint that leads you to believe that maybe this is
• 16:33
  Speaker 9: the right path or should they just go full San Jose,
• 16:37
  Speaker 9: tear it down to the studs and then be good
• 16:39
  Speaker 9: for twenty years after that?
• 16:41
  Speaker 11: Well, I think a big part of it is the
• 16:44
  Speaker 11: mandate at the end of the day, comes from the
• 16:45
  Speaker 11: very top of the organization, and do you have an
• 16:49
  Speaker 11: ownership group that's willing to go through that type of pain?
• 16:51
  Speaker 11: Because ultimately, when it comes to tear down rebuild, managers, coaches,
• 16:55
  Speaker 11: players can have opinions, but ultimately the person writing the
• 16:58
  Speaker 11: checks is the one that's going to have to decide.
• 17:00
  Speaker 11: Am I willing to go through the suffering for X
• 17:03
  Speaker 11: amount of years and looking at something that might take
• 17:05
  Speaker 11: the better part of five years. And ultimately that's the
• 17:08
  Speaker 11: person that has to be on board for that type
• 17:09
  Speaker 11: of rebuild to happen.
• 17:11
  Speaker 10: I also think Rutherford and.
• 17:13
  Speaker 11: Honestly, you know, to be Frank, I don't think any
• 17:16
  Speaker 11: general manager in the NHL for the most part, or
• 17:19
  Speaker 11: president truly wants to tear their team down to the studs.
• 17:22
  Speaker 11: You mentioned San Jose, and yeah, I mean they ended up,
• 17:24
  Speaker 11: you know, getting down to the studs.
• 17:26
  Speaker 10: A lot of it was bad contracts too.
• 17:27
  Speaker 11: It was you know, they kind of got stuck in
• 17:29
  Speaker 11: the mud, and especially when they traded away all those
• 17:31
  Speaker 11: picks to get Eric Carlson, and they had no choice
• 17:33
  Speaker 11: but to embrace where what they were facing. And now
• 17:36
  Speaker 11: they're finally growing out of it and you're seeing you know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 11: the upswing, but they haven't made the playoffs of twenty nineteen.
• 17:41
  Speaker 11: And we heard the owner now too long ago, have
• 17:44
  Speaker 11: an interview and talk about how disappointed he was about
• 17:47
  Speaker 11: what happened some years back. And there's still, you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 11: some trepidation about you need to get better quicker. We
• 17:52
  Speaker 11: can't have this goal long gone too long. And I
• 17:54
  Speaker 11: think Rutherford also given his age, that he wants to
• 17:58
  Speaker 11: whenever he leaves Vancouver because at his age, it's not
• 18:01
  Speaker 11: like he's going to be here for another decade. So
• 18:03
  Speaker 11: I think he wants to be in a spot where
• 18:04
  Speaker 11: he can hand this off in a positive environment or
• 18:07
  Speaker 11: in a positive direction in a couple of years. And
• 18:09
  Speaker 11: if you want to look at it from what's the
• 18:12
  Speaker 11: best way for them to have success. They've done a
• 18:14
  Speaker 11: good job building Atmospherd and they wanted to call the
• 18:16
  Speaker 11: couple last year. Their development program has improved by leaps
• 18:19
  Speaker 11: and bounds. Since Rutherford and Alvin took over, they've done
• 18:22
  Speaker 11: a good job of finding talent through the cracks. They
• 18:24
  Speaker 11: haven't had a lot of high picks, but even the
• 18:26
  Speaker 11: picks they've had, they've done a good job of getting
• 18:28
  Speaker 11: them to the NHL. We're seeing Tom Blander and Elias
• 18:32
  Speaker 11: Peterson the defenseman come in he was a third round
• 18:35
  Speaker 11: draft pick. Even Jonathan Lecermack, he's shown some promise college
• 18:39
  Speaker 11: free agency've signed like a Maxson, he's becoming an everyday player.
• 18:43
  Speaker 11: And they've been able to even develop players like Elena's Carlson,
• 18:46
  Speaker 11: who was here prior but they finally work with them
• 18:49
  Speaker 11: in Abosford and now he's becoming at the very least
• 18:51
  Speaker 11: a player that can play down your lineup. So if
• 18:53
  Speaker 11: you look at her from what they've done in terms
• 18:56
  Speaker 11: of finding talent and drafting players and developing them, you
• 19:00
  Speaker 11: should have some confidence that this group is able to
• 19:03
  Speaker 11: do those things. The question is can you do within
• 19:06
  Speaker 11: the time frame you're hoping to get it done, because
• 19:08
  Speaker 11: they're hoping that we might be bad this year and
• 19:11
  Speaker 11: perhaps maybe next year is not where we want it
• 19:13
  Speaker 11: to be, but we want to be able to turn
• 19:14
  Speaker 11: up into two to three years and be a competitive team. Again,
• 19:18
  Speaker 11: that might be a tight timeline to turn things around.
• 19:21
  Speaker 11: But if they do nail the draft and keep developing
• 19:23
  Speaker 11: their players, there might be an outside chance of that happening.
• 19:26
  Speaker 11: But ultimately, you know, teams in NHL, they don't fully
• 19:29
  Speaker 11: tear down for the most part. Like even look at
• 19:32
  Speaker 11: people love the Montreal example, Well Montreal still traded for
• 19:34
  Speaker 11: first round picks. You know, the trader for Alex Neuhook,
• 19:37
  Speaker 11: the trader for Kirby Dog. They have two first round
• 19:39
  Speaker 11: picks to get no adoptions. Now adopts is incredible. Hunston too,
• 19:43
  Speaker 11: I mean drafted him, But that's kind of the way
• 19:45
  Speaker 11: it goes, right, Like, you know, teams don't want to
• 19:48
  Speaker 11: be in the basement for seven eight years. They still
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: want to be able to turn it around relatively quickly.
• 19:53
  Speaker 11: So I don't think what Vancouver is doing is you know,
• 19:56
  Speaker 11: divergent from most teams face what they're faced with a
• 20:00
  Speaker 11: passionate hockey market like Vancouver. I think people want to
• 20:03
  Speaker 11: see the team be a trendsetter in some ways and
• 20:05
  Speaker 11: embrace something that teams normally don't. But organizationally, you know,
• 20:09
  Speaker 11: I think the best path forward is drafting, and at
• 20:11
  Speaker 11: the very least this management groups shown a good track
• 20:14
  Speaker 11: record of drafting and developing players.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: As a part of what they're trying to build from
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: the foundation. They get three pretty good players here out
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: of one of the biggest blockbuster deals I think in
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: years in the NHL, in Liam Ogrin, Marco Rossi and
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: ze Buuyam, and of course Quinn use out the door
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: as a result. But sat tire or where do you
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: put the Quinn use trade versus others you've seen over
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: the years, And is it fair to call Zeev Booyam
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Quinn used light.
• 20:42
  Speaker 11: I don't want to put that on Zeve because I
• 20:44
  Speaker 11: think Quinn is just Zeeve has been really good. Honestly,
• 20:47
  Speaker 11: the seven games he's played, he's rushing the puck well.
• 20:50
  Speaker 10: I think his.
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: Defensive game has been a bit more mature than I
• 20:52
  Speaker 11: expected it would be, considering he's a twenty year old
• 20:55
  Speaker 11: rookie in the NHL. But Quinn's a one of one.
• 20:58
  Speaker 11: I mean, nobody in the league skates the way Quinn
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: Hughes does. Nobody in the league plays the way Quinn does.
• 21:02
  Speaker 11: And that's not to say he's the best player. The
• 21:04
  Speaker 11: best defenseman in the league.
• 21:05
  Speaker 10: But he's unique.
• 21:06
  Speaker 11: It's him and mcarr And even if William hits his potential,
• 21:10
  Speaker 11: he may not be you know, one or two levels
• 21:12
  Speaker 11: compared to where Quinn is. So I don't want to
• 21:15
  Speaker 11: put that on Zeve. And I think there's a uniqueness
• 21:18
  Speaker 11: to how Quinn skates. Zee might actually be a little
• 21:21
  Speaker 11: quicker in a straight line. He might be more explosive
• 21:24
  Speaker 11: in a few years. But where Quinn dusts everybody in
• 21:27
  Speaker 11: the league as his edge work, I mean, he's he's
• 21:28
  Speaker 11: almost like a ballet dancer on the ice.
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: It's just incredible what he's able to do.
• 21:32
  Speaker 11: I mean his mom was a figure skater two so
• 21:34
  Speaker 11: I think you know, he learned these these this trade
• 21:37
  Speaker 11: at a really young age, and he's so elusive. I
• 21:40
  Speaker 11: think there's nobody that can compare it to Quinn in
• 21:41
  Speaker 11: terms of how he skates. Like mccarr is more direct
• 21:44
  Speaker 11: and powerful and dynamic and has a bit more power.
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: In how he plays.
• 21:48
  Speaker 11: But Quinn's just elegance he plays with So I can
• 21:50
  Speaker 11: never put that on anybody.
• 21:51
  Speaker 10: I think it's unfair to.
• 21:52
  Speaker 11: Zeve, but he has potential to be a top pair,
• 21:55
  Speaker 11: you know, perhaps franchise changing changing defenseman, and I think
• 22:00
  Speaker 11: where Vancouver kind of finds itself now after having made
• 22:03
  Speaker 11: the trade. I think it is a fair value because
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: you're never getting, you know, one for one replacement when
• 22:08
  Speaker 11: you're trade a player like Quinn. But I do think
• 22:10
  Speaker 11: it's the biggest trade we've seen since the cap Era
• 22:15
  Speaker 11: started in two thousand and five. There's been some big
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: trades like Joe Thornton got moved, of course, but the
• 22:20
  Speaker 11: return I don't think looks anywhere close to what bank
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: who ended up getting it was Brad Stewart, Marco Sturm.
• 22:26
  Speaker 11: I think Wayne Primo came over from San Jose to
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: Boston in that trade.
• 22:30
  Speaker 10: The rant in the trade last year.
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: I think was maybe the second biggest or the biggest
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: when he got moved from Martin, Natchez and then moved
• 22:36
  Speaker 11: again to Carolina. But I'd say in the cap Era,
• 22:39
  Speaker 11: this was the biggest trade that we have seen, and
• 22:42
  Speaker 11: perhaps the best player to get traded, since you know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: you have to go back to prior to the cap Era.
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: I mean Vancouver traded Pablo Burrey to Florida. I think
• 22:51
  Speaker 11: that kind of ranked similar in that type of range,
• 22:53
  Speaker 11: like one of the single best players in the league
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: at his position.
• 22:56
  Speaker 10: Getting moved just.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Reminded me also of Tamuslani from Winnipeg to Anah.
• 23:00
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that one had a huge one as well. Yeah,
• 23:02
  Speaker 10: and those are the types of you know, earth chattery moves.
• 23:05
  Speaker 11: I mean, you're talking about guys for Hall of Fame
• 23:07
  Speaker 11: level talents and you know, and they don't usually get
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: traded in their prime, like Quinn's like firmly right in
• 23:12
  Speaker 11: his prime and that's when you got moved.
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: You don't see that very often.
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: I've heard a lot of people talk about this trade
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: and I want to ask you, would you consider Quinn Hughes.
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: Is he the best Canuck in history? And I've seen
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: that flying around. You know, the Canucks out of here
• 23:28
  Speaker 9: trading are best player that we've ever had. And I'm like, well,
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: the Sadems are pretty good.
• 23:32
  Speaker 10: Yea Bongo was pretty good.
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: You guys, there's some guys hanging up in the rafters
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: at Rogers that are pretty good. Not saying Quinn is not,
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: but in the history of the Knucks, is Quinn Hughes
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: number one?
• 23:44
  Speaker 11: I think you could argue he is in terms of
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: pure talent, right, And I think part of the reason
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: why there is an extra affinity towards Quinn.
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: Is the Canucks.
• 23:52
  Speaker 11: Canucks fans have been dying to see the team have
• 23:55
  Speaker 11: a number one defenseman up until they drafted Quinn. The
• 23:58
  Speaker 11: conversation in Vancouver always was they've had great teams. They've
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: had great you know forwards, you know, maybe the best
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: wing and one of the best in Burrey. They had
• 24:05
  Speaker 11: the sittings. You know, even looking a guy like Marcus Naslin,
• 24:08
  Speaker 11: I think he gets lost to you know, a guy
• 24:10
  Speaker 11: who won the Art Ross one year and the Lester B.
• 24:13
  Speaker 11: Pearson one year, one of the most prolific scores in
• 24:15
  Speaker 11: the NHL right before the cap Earro started. But they
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: never had a defenseman that defined a franchise the way
• 24:22
  Speaker 11: Quinn did. And you know, fans had always talked about
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: and even in the media throughout the years that do
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: you truly win a Stanley Cup unless you get a
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: bona five number one defenseman? Do you need to have
• 24:32
  Speaker 11: that type of lynch fin And the Canucks finally got one.
• 24:34
  Speaker 11: So I do think part of it is it's what
• 24:37
  Speaker 11: fans and a lot of people have been longing for
• 24:39
  Speaker 11: for forty plus years for the team to find a
• 24:42
  Speaker 11: player like Quin.
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: So they finally got him.
• 24:44
  Speaker 11: So I do think there's also the recency bias because
• 24:46
  Speaker 11: he's the latest one here.
• 24:48
  Speaker 10: It's an argument.
• 24:49
  Speaker 11: I mean, you can argue him Burrey the Citings, but
• 24:52
  Speaker 11: you can certainly craft an argument that Quinn is the
• 24:54
  Speaker 11: single most talented player this franchise ever had.
• 24:58
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• 25:23
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• 25:26
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• 25:28
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• 25:31
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• 25:38
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• 25:42
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• 25:47
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• 25:48
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• 26:17
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• 26:21
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• 26:24
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