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Blood-Covered News Anchor Pleads GUILTY to Mom's Brutal Stabbing · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Imagine waking up, you know, every single morning, pouring your
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Speaker 1: very first cup of coffee and just turning on the
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Speaker 1: local news.
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Speaker 2: Right. It's totally automatic for so many people. Just part
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Speaker 2: of the morning routine.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. And there is a face on that screen that
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Speaker 1: you essentially invite into your living room day after day.
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Speaker 1: A really bright, energetic morning anchor.
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Speaker 2: The kind of person who just radiates that sort of
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Speaker 2: polished energy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Perfectly styled. Her smile is blinding. And she just
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Speaker 1: projects this aura of absolute competence and warmth.
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Speaker 2: You feel like you know them.
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Speaker 1: You do. Yeah. And you trust her to tell you
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Speaker 1: what's happening in the world before you even start your day. Right. Now,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take that image, hold it in
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Speaker 1: your mind, and fast forward just a few years. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Imagine walking down a really quiet suburban street on Halloween,
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Speaker 1: and you see that exact same face.
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Speaker 2: But the context is completely warped.
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Speaker 1: Completely. Because this time, she is not wearing a tailored
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Speaker 1: studio blazer. She is standing on the sidewalk holding a towel,
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Speaker 1: and she is absolutely covered in blood.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Having literally just called 911 on herself.
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Speaker 2: It is just a jarring, almost impossible image to reconcile, honestly.
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Speaker 1: It really is.
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Speaker 2: The human brain, I mean, it really struggles with that
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Speaker 2: kind of extreme cognitive dissonance. We want people to fit
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Speaker 2: neatly into these little categories we build for them.
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Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. The good person, the bad person.
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Speaker 2: Right. You have the successful person. It's smiling professional over
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Speaker 2: here in one box and you have the violent criminal
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Speaker 2: over there in another.
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Speaker 1: And they do not mix.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. When those two categories violently collide in a single person,
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Speaker 2: it forces us to ask some very uncomfortable questions about
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Speaker 2: what is really happening beneath the surface of the people
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Speaker 2: we think we know.
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Speaker 1: And that collision is exactly what we are unpacking in
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Speaker 1: today's deep dive.
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Speaker 2: It's a heavy one today.
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Speaker 1: It is. Our mission today is to pull apart a
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Speaker 1: profoundly unsettling and legally complex case. This is all detailed
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Speaker 1: in a massive, really in-depth report by the Law and
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Speaker 1: Crime Network.
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Speaker 2: They did some incredible reporting on this.
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Speaker 1: They really did. We are looking at the story of
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Speaker 1: former local news anchor Angie Mock, who just pleaded guilty
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Speaker 1: to the brutal stabbing of her 81-year-old mother, Anita Avers.
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Speaker 2: It's just horrific.
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Speaker 1: But right up front, I really want to clarify something
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Speaker 1: for you listening. We are not just doing like a
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Speaker 1: standard true crime rundown of a tragedy today.
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Speaker 2: No, the implications go way beyond that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. We are using this source material to examine a
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Speaker 1: fascinating and deeply troubling intersection. This is a story about
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Speaker 1: what happens when severe, reality-altering mental illness crashes head-on into
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Speaker 1: the rigid black-and-white machinery of the criminal justice system.
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Speaker 2: Because that, I mean, that is the real crux of
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Speaker 2: this entire situation. Think about how the justice system is
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Speaker 2: actually designed.
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Speaker 1: It's all about rules and boxes. Exactly.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. It is built on a foundation of absolute clear-cut responsibility.
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Speaker 2: It wants to know who did what, when they did it,
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Speaker 2: and what the precise punishment should be.
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Speaker 1: Very logical.
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Speaker 2: Very sequential.
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Speaker 1: Right. It operates on timelines, on physical evidence, on objective reality.
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Speaker 1: But mental illness, particularly the kind of severe psychiatric fracture
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Speaker 1: we are looking at in the long crime report today,
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Speaker 1: it does not respect timelines.
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Speaker 2: It definitely doesn't. It creates its own entirely separate reality.
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Speaker 2: And when the legal system tries to process a crime
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Speaker 2: committed by someone living in a completely alternate universe, the
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Speaker 2: friction between those two realities is just immense.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. Because to really understand the magnitude
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Speaker 1: of this fracture, we have to understand exactly who Angie
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Speaker 1: Mock was before that Halloween day.
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Speaker 2: We have to establish the baseline. Right.
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Speaker 1: We need to look closely at the facade before we
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Speaker 1: can understand the fall. When you look at the professional
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Speaker 1: timeline law and crime put together, you see a grueling
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Speaker 1: decade plus climb through the local news industry.
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Speaker 2: It's a brutal industry.
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Speaker 1: It is. It was not an overnight success story at all.
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Speaker 1: It was a massive grind.
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Speaker 2: It absolutely was. Her professional footprint, you know, her LinkedIn,
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Speaker 2: her past broadcasts. It paints a picture of the classic
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Speaker 2: punishing ascent in broadcast journalism.
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Speaker 1: Starting at the very bottom.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she started way back in November of 2002 as
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Speaker 2: a sports reporter in Lincoln, Nebraska.
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Speaker 1: Which is not a glamorous market.
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Speaker 2: No, Lincoln is a very small market, which means you
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Speaker 2: are doing literally everything yourself. You are shooting the video,
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Speaker 2: you are editing it, you are writing the copy.
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Speaker 1: You're a one-woman band.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. And from there, she puts in the work and
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Speaker 2: just bounces across the country to climb the ladder. She
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Speaker 2: moves to Rochester, Minnesota, then to Missoula, Montana... Then she
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Speaker 2: bumps up to Oklahoma City.
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Speaker 1: Which is just the classic nomadic life of a reporter
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Speaker 1: paying their dues. You live at a cardboard box as
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Speaker 1: you go wherever the next contract takes you.
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Speaker 2: And you're always looking for the next jump.
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Speaker 1: Always. You are constantly, endlessly trying to jump to a
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Speaker 1: bigger television market. It takes a very specific kind of
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Speaker 1: relentless drive to live like that for a decade.
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Speaker 2: It really does. And the drive actually paid off because
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Speaker 2: she finally hit a major milestone. She became a morning
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Speaker 2: anchor at Fox 2 in St. Louis, Missouri.
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Speaker 1: Which is a very respectable market.
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Speaker 2: It's a great market. She held that position from March
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Speaker 2: 2011 all the way through February 2015. So she made it.
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Speaker 1: She planted her flag.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. She reached a major, decent-sized market and held down
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Speaker 2: the anchor desk for four straight years. And the clips
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Speaker 2: from that era, they depict someone with incredible on-screen energy.
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Speaker 1: She was very well-liked, right? Very. Very.
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Speaker 2: She was described by colleagues as a real positive light
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Speaker 2: on television.
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Speaker 1: But then, after 2015, there's a big shift. She exits
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Speaker 1: the broadcast industry entirely. She pivots into software sales.
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Speaker 2: A huge change of pace.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. But honestly, looking at the biological reality of morning television,
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Speaker 1: that pivot makes complete sense. The source material points out
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Speaker 1: the physical toll of morning news. And we really need
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Speaker 1: to pause on this.
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Speaker 2: People do not realize how hard that job is physically.
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Speaker 1: They don't. Because to be on camera, smiling, perfectly polished,
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Speaker 1: and energetically reading the news at 4, 3, or 5 a.m.,
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Speaker 1: you're waking up at 1, 0, or 2.0 in the morning.
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Speaker 2: It's the middle of the night.
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Speaker 1: Not just once or twice. Day in, day out. For
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Speaker 1: four years.
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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is what that actually does to the
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Speaker 2: human brain over time.
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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about a schedule that fundamentally destroys your natural
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Speaker 2: Surtadian rhythm.
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Speaker 1: Because you're fighting nature.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. When you are waking up at 1 a.m., your
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Speaker 2: body is still actively producing melatonin. It is actively trying
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Speaker 2: to force you to sleep. So to counteract that, you
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Speaker 2: are pumping yourself full of caffeine and adrenaline. You are
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Speaker 2: flooding your system with cortisol, which is the stress hormone,
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Speaker 2: just to function under those bright studio lights.
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Speaker 1: Just to seem normal to the viewer at home.
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Speaker 2: Right. And over years, this kind of Chronic sleep deprivation
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Speaker 2: begins to degrade cognitive function. It degrades emotional regulation and
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Speaker 2: even neuroplasticity.
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Speaker 1: So it actually damages the brain.
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Speaker 2: It definitely takes a toll. The pivot to software sales
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Speaker 2: is a very common escape route for people burning out
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Speaker 2: in morning television, precisely because they are just trying to
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Speaker 2: reclaim some biological normalcy.
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Speaker 1: But what's crucial for us to note is that, at
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Speaker 1: least from the outside looking in, she successfully made that transition.
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Speaker 2: She did. She functioned.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she was still a functioning professional. She was navigating
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Speaker 1: the corporate world of software sales. She wasn't, you know,
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Speaker 1: falling apart in public.
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Speaker 2: Right, and she had a massive support system anchoring her,
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Speaker 2: specifically her mother, Anita Avers.
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Speaker 1: Which makes the end of this story so hard to stomach.
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Speaker 2: It really does. Anita was 81 years old, and the
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Speaker 2: report highlights a deeply heartbreaking irony that we just cannot
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Speaker 2: overlook here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this part really got to me.
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Speaker 2: Anita Avers was a clinical therapist in Wichita, Kansas. And
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Speaker 2: her specific area of practice. She worked directly with people
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Speaker 2: dealing with severe mental health issues.
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Speaker 1: Which just adds this profound, heavy layer of tragedy to
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Speaker 1: the whole thing. The victim in this case was a
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Speaker 1: woman whose entire life's work was dedicated to understanding the
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Speaker 1: human mind.
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Speaker 2: Helping people navigate extreme psychological distress.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. And by all accounts, she was Angie's absolute biggest fan.
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Speaker 1: Anita's Facebook page, as late as 2019... was just filled
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Speaker 1: with photos proudly showing off her daughter.
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Speaker 2: There was a deep, very clear bond there.
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Speaker 1: When I was looking through this timeline, from the TV
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Speaker 1: anchor desk to the software sales, it made me think
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Speaker 1: of this analogy.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it.
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Speaker 1: Angie's life, the public-facing version of it anyway, is like
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Speaker 1: a duck on a pond.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good one.
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Speaker 1: Right, because if you are standing on the shore, which
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Speaker 1: is us, watching her YouTube clips or scrolling through her LinkedIn,
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Speaker 1: you just see this bird gliding effortlessly and smoothly across
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Speaker 1: the water.
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Speaker 2: Not a ripple.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks entirely natural, completely in control. But what
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Speaker 1: we don't see is underneath the surface of the water
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Speaker 1: where the duck is paddling furiously.
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Speaker 2: Exhaustingly.
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Speaker 1: Just kicking against the current, just trying to stay afloat.
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Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture of mental health,
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Speaker 2: that duck analogy perfectly captures the danger of high-functioning mental illness.
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Speaker 1: How so?
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Speaker 2: Well, the water is the public eye, right? It's the
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Speaker 2: expectations of the corporate world. the social media facade, the
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Speaker 2: water distorts our view.
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Speaker 1: We only see what's on top.
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Speaker 2: We only see the effortless glide. We don't see that
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Speaker 2: the furious paddling underneath is completely unsustainable. The sheer energy
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Speaker 2: required to maintain that public facade while the brain is
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Speaker 2: quietly fracturing, it's immense.
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Speaker 1: It has to run out, essentially.
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Speaker 2: And at some point, the exhaustion gives way to something
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Speaker 2: much darker.
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Speaker 1: And the contrast is just staggering. You have this highly visible, articulate,
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Speaker 1: socially functioning professional woman. And then... you have the suspect
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Speaker 1: in an orange jail jumpsuit accused of butchering her own mother.
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Speaker 2: It's a night and day transformation. And establishing this baseline,
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Speaker 2: really understanding who she was and how effectively she masked
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Speaker 2: her internal world, it is vital.
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Speaker 1: Because of what comes next.
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Speaker 2: Because as we move into the actual events of the crime,
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Speaker 2: the details are so bizarre, so completely unmoored from reality
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Speaker 2: that they simply cannot be viewed as a simple act
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Speaker 2: of violence.
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Speaker 1: Right. It's not a standard crime. No.
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Speaker 2: When you contrast the woman on the anchor desk with
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Speaker 2: the scene the police found, it becomes a glaring, undeniable
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Speaker 2: indicator of a massive psychological collapse.
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Speaker 1: A total break.
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Speaker 2: This wasn't some slow fade into criminality. It was a catastrophic,
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Speaker 2: violent break from reality itself.
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Speaker 1: Which brings us to the day that public facade finally
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Speaker 1: shattered completely. To understand the legal battle that is going
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Speaker 1: to unfold in the courtroom, we have to look very
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Speaker 1: closely at the physical reality of what police found.
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Speaker 2: The crime scene?
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Speaker 1: Yes. On the day of the murder. Let's look at Halloween,
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Speaker 1: October 31st, 2025, on Crowley Street in Wichita.
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Speaker 2: The chain of events begins with a 911 call.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: When the Wichita Police Department arrives at the home, they
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Speaker 2: are met with a highly chaotic scene. According to witnesses
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Speaker 2: who spoke to the local Keiki television station, specifically a
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Speaker 2: woman and her boyfriend who were nearby Angie, was outside
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Speaker 2: the home.
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Speaker 1: Just in there.
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Speaker 2: She was bleeding. She was holding a towel. And the
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Speaker 2: witnesses noted she was acting incredibly scared.
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Speaker 1: Which makes sense given what she had just done.
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Speaker 2: Well, the dispatch audio reveals that Angie had actually been
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Speaker 2: the one to call 911. And she told the operator
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Speaker 2: that she, quote, had to stab the mother to save herself.
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Speaker 1: Which is a wild thing to say on a 911 call.
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Speaker 1: So the police secure her on the sidewalk, and they
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Speaker 1: make entry into the house. And what they find is
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Speaker 1: just a nightmare.
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Speaker 2: It's awful.
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Speaker 1: 81-year-old Anita Avers is found lying in her bed. She
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Speaker 1: suffered multiple severe stab wounds to her face and her torso.
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Speaker 2: Just a frenzied attack.
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Speaker 1: She is rushed to a local hospital, but the injuries
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Speaker 1: are way too severe, and she doesn't survive. But the
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Speaker 1: physical crime scene itself has these specific details that just
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Speaker 1: stop you in your tracks.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the things they found.
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Speaker 1: Specifically, what police found lying on the pillow right next
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Speaker 1: to Anita.
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Speaker 2: This part is so strange. The police affidavit states that
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Speaker 2: an officer located multiple kitchen-style knives laid out on a
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Speaker 2: pillow next to the victim.
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Speaker 1: Like a range there.
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Speaker 2: Yes. And alongside those knives, inexplicably, was a cheese grater.
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Speaker 1: A cheese grater.
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Speaker 2: A cheese grater.
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Speaker 1: In the middle of a brutal, bloody murder scene involving
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Speaker 1: multiple knives, someone brought a cheese grater to the bed.
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Speaker 2: Yes. And we really need to pause on that detail
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Speaker 2: because as criminal defense attorney Eric Faddis points out in
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Speaker 2: his analysis for the Long Crime Report, the presence of
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Speaker 2: a cheese grater in that specific context is incredibly telling.
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Speaker 1: It makes no sense.
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Speaker 2: When you look at the pathology of a standard crime,
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Speaker 2: everything usually has a horrific but internal logic.
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Speaker 1: Right. There's a reason for it.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. A killer acting out a financial game or revenge
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Speaker 2: or a sudden fit of rage use a weapon to
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Speaker 2: achieve an end. But bringing a cheese grater to a
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Speaker 2: stabbing and carefully laying it on a pillow.
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Speaker 1: It's totally irrational.
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Speaker 2: That breaks the logic of standard criminal intent entirely. It
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Speaker 2: points directly to a mind that is operating on a
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Speaker 2: set of rules and logic that simply do not exist
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Speaker 2: in our shared reality.
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Speaker 1: And that complete detachment from our shared reality only gets
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Speaker 1: more obvious when you look at the statements Angie actually
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Speaker 1: gave to the police when they questioned her on the scene.
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Speaker 2: They are deeply disturbing.
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Speaker 1: She claimed that she went into her mother's room to talk,
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Speaker 1: and she saw her 81-year-old mother sharpening knives. She claimed
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Speaker 1: her mother came after her with a knife, which sparked
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Speaker 1: a fight.
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Speaker 2: But then the statements veer sharply away from any kind
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Speaker 2: of self-defense claim and plunge straight into profound delusion.
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Speaker 1: Right, she goes off the rails.
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Speaker 2: Angie claimed her mother looked at her and said, quote,
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Speaker 2: I know you're bleeping Jesus Christ.
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Speaker 1: Which is just.
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Speaker 2: She also claimed her mother started, quote, spewing venom at
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Speaker 2: me out of her bleeping mouth. She even reportedly told
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Speaker 2: family members around this time that they were, quote, But.
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Speaker 1: The detail that really stuck with me, the one that
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Speaker 1: makes the tragedy of her past so palpable, is her
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Speaker 1: stated motive for going into the bedroom in the first place.
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Speaker 2: The TV interview.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Angie told the police she went into the room
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Speaker 1: to talk to her mother because Angie had an upcoming
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Speaker 1: job interview at a local television station in Wichita.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: And she claimed her mother was intensely jealous of her
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Speaker 1: didn't want her to get the TV job, and chased
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Speaker 1: her around the house because of it.
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Speaker 2: Which, based on the timeline we just established, we know
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Speaker 2: is a complete fabrication constructed by her fracturing mind.
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Speaker 1: She hadn't been in TV for 10 years. Exactly.
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Speaker 2: She'd been out of the news business for nearly a
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Speaker 2: decade at this point. If we connect this to the
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Speaker 2: psychological mechanics of a psychotic break, this specific delusion is
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Speaker 2: highly significant.
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Speaker 1: Why is that?
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Speaker 2: Well, in the midst of this horrific crisis, her brain
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Speaker 2: is desperately trying to construct a narrative to explain the
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Speaker 2: terror she is feeling.
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Speaker 1: To make sense of the panic. Yes.
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Speaker 2: And to do that, it is retreating to past traumas
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Speaker 2: and past successes. It is grasping at the identity she
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Speaker 2: used to hold, the TV anchor preparing for the big interview.
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Speaker 1: Oh, wow. That's so sad.
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Speaker 2: It's a hallmark of a mind shattered into pieces, trying
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Speaker 2: to glue itself back together using fragments of a reality
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Speaker 2: that no longer exists.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I have to push back on the procedural reality here,
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Speaker 1: or at least challenge how the system handles this on
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Speaker 1: the ground. Because it feels incredibly backwards to me.
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Speaker 2: In what way?
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Speaker 1: Well, you have patrol officers arriving at a house. There
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Speaker 1: is a bloody scene inside. And the person standing on
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Speaker 1: the sidewalk is ranting about venom spewing mothers, people being
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Speaker 1: literal robots, and the TV interview that doesn't exist.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Why can't the police recognize an obvious severe medical emergency
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Speaker 1: and treat it as a psychiatric crisis right then and there?
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Speaker 1: how do they parse out cold-blooded murder from a mental
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Speaker 1: break on that sidewalk and just arrest her for first-degree murder?
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Speaker 2: It's a very natural frustration, but we have to look
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Speaker 2: at the mechanics of law enforcement and legal doctrine.
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Speaker 1: Okay, how does that work?
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Speaker 2: On that sidewalk, the police aren't parsing it out because
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Speaker 2: they aren't trained to, and legally, it's not their job.
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Speaker 1: Really? They don't have to evaluate her sanity?
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Speaker 2: Not in that moment, no. The primary mandate of a
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Speaker 2: responding officer is kinetic. Secure the scene... neutralize the immediate
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Speaker 2: physical threat, and gather the base facts.
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Speaker 1: Just the physical facts.
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Speaker 2: Right. Is there a deceased person?
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Did this individual cause the death? Yes. They make the
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Speaker 2: arrest based entirely on the physical actions. They read her
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Speaker 2: Miranda rights, which, bizarrely, she said she understood before refusing
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Speaker 2: to speak further, and they charge her based on the
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Speaker 2: physical evidence.
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Speaker 1: So they just ignore the fact that she thinks she's
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Speaker 1: fighting a venom-spewing robot.
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Speaker 2: In the immediate aftermath, yes. Because the legal system operates
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Speaker 2: on a very strict sequence. It requires two things for
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Speaker 2: a crime to exist.
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Speaker 1: What are they?
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Speaker 2: First, the actus reus, which is Latin for the guilty act.
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Speaker 1: The actual physical thing that happened?
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Speaker 2: This is the undeniable physical movement in the universe. The
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Speaker 2: holding of the knife, the stabbing. The police can see
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Speaker 2: the actus reus, so they arrest her.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense on a practical level.
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Speaker 2: The second element is the mens rea, the guilty mind.
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Speaker 2: This is the invisible internal universe, the intent, the awareness
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Speaker 2: of reality. Law enforcement secures the actus reus. It is
17:03
Speaker 2: left to the slow, grinding machinery of the courts to
17:08
Speaker 2: figure out the mens rea later.
17:09
Speaker 1: Which raises this massive, immediate question for the listener. How
17:13
Speaker 1: does the justice system even begin to prosecute someone who
17:16
Speaker 1: is living in a totally different reality than the judge,
17:19
Speaker 1: the jury, and the police?
17:21
Speaker 2: It's incredibly difficult.
17:23
Speaker 1: How do you put a person on trial... When their
17:25
Speaker 1: mens rea, their internal mind, is actively occupied by robots
17:29
Speaker 1: and venom.
17:30
Speaker 2: They attempt to bridge that gap through a very clinical,
17:32
Speaker 2: heavily scheduled process that we can call the competency pendulum.
17:36
Speaker 1: The competency pendulum. I like that.
17:37
Speaker 2: And in Angie Mock's case, that pendulum swung wildly and
17:41
Speaker 2: violently over the course of just a few months.
17:43
Speaker 1: Let's trace that legal timeline because it is really dizzying.
17:45
Speaker 1: The murder happens on Halloween, October 2025. Right. By November,
17:50
Speaker 1: a judge orders a mental health evaluation. In January of 2026,
17:55
Speaker 1: the doctors come back with their report, and she is
17:57
Speaker 1: officially found incompetent to stand trial.
18:00
Speaker 2: Which is what you would expect.
18:01
Speaker 1: But then, there's this massive, sudden shift. Just a few
18:05
Speaker 1: months later, in late July 2026, a court rules that
18:10
Speaker 1: she is suddenly magically competent to face a murder charge.
18:13
Speaker 2: It seems insanely fast.
18:15
Speaker 1: It really does. To understand how a human being goes
18:18
Speaker 1: from legally incompetent to legally competent in just a few months...
18:21
Speaker 1: We have to look closely at what was actually happening
18:24
Speaker 1: inside her brain, or at least how the medical system
18:27
Speaker 1: was diagnosing and treating it. Right.
18:28
Speaker 2: Let's look at the diagnoses.
18:30
Speaker 1: According to the reporting from 12 News in Wichita, Angie
18:33
Speaker 1: was dealing with incredibly severe diagnoses. Schizophrenia is the primary
18:37
Speaker 1: one mentioned, along with references to schizoaffective disorder, bipolar disorder,
18:41
Speaker 1: and major depression.
18:42
Speaker 2: That is a staggering list of illnesses.
18:45
Speaker 1: And for anyone who hasn't studied abnormal psychology, we need
18:48
Speaker 1: to be clear about what these words mean. These are
18:50
Speaker 1: not mild anxieties or... You know, just having a string
18:53
Speaker 1: of bad days. Not at all. Schizophrenia literally breaks the
18:56
Speaker 1: brain's reality filter. It causes auditory and visual hallucinations. It
19:01
Speaker 1: creates profound paranoia.
19:03
Speaker 2: Exactly. The brain is misfiring on a structural level. It
19:07
Speaker 2: is flooding itself with incorrect sensory data.
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Speaker 1: It's seeing things that aren't there. Yes.
19:12
Speaker 2: And the court documents from her plea reveal exactly how
19:15
Speaker 2: heavily the system had to intervene chemically to suppress those misfires.
19:20
Speaker 2: The documents list her medications. And it is a massive
19:23
Speaker 2: pharmacological cocktail.
19:25
Speaker 1: What was she on?
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Speaker 2: She was prescribed Abilify, which is a heavy-duty atypical antipsychotic
19:31
Speaker 2: used for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.
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Speaker 1: That's a serious drug.
19:34
Speaker 2: Very serious. She was also on lithium, which the Mayo
19:37
Speaker 2: Clinic notes is a primary mood stabilizer used specifically to
19:41
Speaker 2: prevent extreme manic and depressive episodes. Plus, she was on
19:44
Speaker 2: two other unnamed mental health medications.
19:47
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to bring back the analogy I used
19:48
Speaker 1: earlier and modify it. because looking at that drug list,
19:51
Speaker 1: it makes me think of this in terms of physical medicine.
19:53
Speaker 2: Okay, how so?
19:54
Speaker 1: It sounds to me like a hospital treating a patient
19:57
Speaker 1: who has a completely shattered leg like the bones are
20:01
Speaker 1: physically sticking out of the skin.
20:03
Speaker 2: A gruesome image, but okay.
20:04
Speaker 1: But instead of Performing surgery to fix the bone, they
20:08
Speaker 1: just pump the patient full of morphine. They give them
20:11
Speaker 1: just enough heavy painkillers so that they can physically stand
20:15
Speaker 1: up and walk into a courtroom. Just so the judge
20:19
Speaker 1: can punish them for tripping and breaking their leg in
20:21
Speaker 1: the first place.
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Speaker 2: That is a powerful way to look at it.
20:23
Speaker 1: Are they actually healed or are they just medicated into
20:26
Speaker 1: a stupor so they can participate in their own downfall?
20:29
Speaker 2: That analogy strikes right at the heart of one of
20:31
Speaker 2: the most controversial ethical gray areas in all of criminal law.
20:36
Speaker 2: The sheer chemical force required to suppress a schizoaffective break
20:40
Speaker 2: is staggering.
20:41
Speaker 1: It's not a cure.
20:42
Speaker 2: It is not a cure. In many ways, it is
20:44
Speaker 2: a chemical straitjacket. But to understand why the system does this,
20:47
Speaker 2: we have to draw a very sharp, very distinct line
20:50
Speaker 2: between two legal concepts that sound identical to the public
20:54
Speaker 2: but are actually completely different.
20:56
Speaker 1: Okay, lay them out for us.
20:57
Speaker 2: The first concept is incompetency to stand trial. The second
21:01
Speaker 2: is not guilty by reason of insanity, commonly called NGRI.
21:06
Speaker 1: OK, this is vital for everyone listening. Unpack the difference
21:09
Speaker 1: between those two, because I think almost everyone, myself included,
21:12
Speaker 1: uses those terms interchangeably.
21:14
Speaker 2: They absolutely do. But legally, they are worlds apart. Let's
21:18
Speaker 2: start with incompetency to stand trial. This concept is strictly
21:23
Speaker 2: 100 percent about the defendant's mental state right now, in
21:26
Speaker 2: the present moment, sitting in the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: Like today?
21:29
Speaker 2: Yes. In Kansas and federally. It means the person currently
21:33
Speaker 2: has a mental disease or defect that makes them unable
21:35
Speaker 2: to understand the court proceedings or unable to rationally assist
21:39
Speaker 2: their defense attorneys.
21:41
Speaker 1: So they can't help their own lawyer. Right.
21:43
Speaker 2: That was Angie in January 2026. She was actively so
21:47
Speaker 2: unwell that she likely couldn't comprehend what a judge was
21:50
Speaker 2: or what a trial meant.
21:51
Speaker 1: And so because she can't understand the present moment, they
21:54
Speaker 1: paused the trial. What is NGRI then?
21:57
Speaker 2: NGRI, not guilty by reason of insanity. is entirely backward-looking.
22:02
Speaker 2: It is a defense strategy that asks a completely different question.
22:06
Speaker 2: What was the defendant's mental state at the exact microscopic
22:10
Speaker 2: moment the crime was committed?
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Speaker 1: So not today, but back in the past.
22:13
Speaker 2: Right. So in October 2025, when she was holding the
22:16
Speaker 2: knife in that bedroom, did her mental illness prevent her
22:19
Speaker 2: from being legally responsible for her actions?
22:22
Speaker 1: So if I'm tracking this, you can be found completely
22:25
Speaker 1: competent to stand trial today but still argue in front
22:28
Speaker 1: of a jury that you were insane on the day
22:30
Speaker 1: of the murder months ago.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. You can be competent now, but insane then. But
22:35
Speaker 2: here is the catch. To get to that trial, to
22:38
Speaker 2: argue your insanity defense, you must first be found competent.
22:41
Speaker 1: You have to pass the first test to even take
22:43
Speaker 1: the second one.
22:44
Speaker 2: Which leads us to what the justice system calls restoration proceedings.
22:48
Speaker 2: When a defendant is found incompetent, like Angie was in January,
22:51
Speaker 2: the state doesn't just throw up its hands and let
22:53
Speaker 2: them go.
22:53
Speaker 1: What do they do?
22:54
Speaker 2: They hand the defendant over to state Medical providers. And
22:58
Speaker 2: the goal of those psychiatrists is very specific and highly controversial.
23:03
Speaker 2: Medicate the defendant aggressively until they are just lucid enough
23:06
Speaker 2: to understand the proceedings and assist their lawyer.
23:09
Speaker 1: Wait, so the doctors in these state facilities aren't necessarily
23:11
Speaker 1: trying to cure her trauma or help her process the
23:15
Speaker 1: grief of killing her mother?
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Speaker 2: Not primarily, no.
23:17
Speaker 1: They are just trying to get her to a baseline
23:19
Speaker 1: of legal functionality.
23:20
Speaker 2: Precisely. They are restoring her to a state where the
23:23
Speaker 2: government can legally prosecute her. Which is why your shattered
23:26
Speaker 2: leg analogy is so incredibly apt.
23:28
Speaker 1: It's just masking the symptoms.
23:30
Speaker 2: The state artificially restored her competency through this heavy daily
23:35
Speaker 2: cocktail of lithium and Abilify. They masked the symptoms of
23:39
Speaker 2: the broken reality. And once the court deemed her competent
23:42
Speaker 2: in July of 2026, the stage was supposedly set for
23:46
Speaker 2: a massive, heavily publicized trial.
23:48
Speaker 1: A trial where her defense team would presumably argue not
23:52
Speaker 1: guilty by reason of insanity.
23:53
Speaker 2: That would be the expectation.
23:54
Speaker 1: All right, they'd bring up the venom, the robots, the
23:57
Speaker 1: cheese grater to show she was completely detached from reality
24:00
Speaker 1: on Halloween.
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Speaker 2: But that trial never happened.
24:03
Speaker 1: No, it didn't.
24:03
Speaker 2: Because instead of a trial, this case took a sharp,
24:06
Speaker 2: stunning left turn that caught legal analysts completely off guard.
24:11
Speaker 1: Once she was heavily medicated into this state of artificial competency,
24:15
Speaker 1: she took a plea deal.
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Speaker 2: She did. Angie Mock pleaded guilty to first-degree murder.
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Speaker 1: Just like that.
24:21
Speaker 2: She accepted a sentence that ranges from 25 years to
24:24
Speaker 2: life in prison. Practically speaking, she will be in her
24:28
Speaker 2: early 70s before she is even eligible for her first
24:31
Speaker 2: parole hearing.
24:32
Speaker 1: Wow.
24:33
Speaker 2: The formal sentencing is scheduled for October 5th, but the
24:36
Speaker 2: deal is done. She signed a legal document explicitly waiving
24:40
Speaker 2: her constitutional right to a jury trial, and in that
24:43
Speaker 2: same document she acknowledged that her heavy psychiatric medications did
24:47
Speaker 2: not impair her understanding of what she was signing.
24:50
Speaker 1: Here's where I want to bring in the analysis from
24:52
Speaker 1: Eric Faddis, the criminal defense attorney featured in the Law
24:55
Speaker 1: and Crime Report.
24:56
Speaker 2: His perspective is really valuable here.
24:58
Speaker 1: Because he was shocked by this plea, and honestly, so
25:01
Speaker 1: am I. To any outside observer, this looks like the
25:04
Speaker 1: textbook dictionary definition of a highly defensible case for an
25:08
Speaker 1: insanity plea.
25:09
Speaker 2: It looks like an NGRI slam dunk on paper.
25:12
Speaker 1: Right. The source material mentions that her prior husband had
25:15
Speaker 1: noticed a severe... documented escalation in her mental health issues
25:19
Speaker 1: long before the murder.
25:20
Speaker 2: So there was a history.
25:22
Speaker 1: A huge history. She even had a two-week hospitalization for
25:25
Speaker 1: psychiatric issues just prior to the stabbing. The medical documentation
25:29
Speaker 1: of her break from reality was overwhelming. So why on
25:33
Speaker 1: earth would a defense attorney let her plead guilty?
25:35
Speaker 2: It seems crazy, no pun intended, but to understand why
25:40
Speaker 2: a defense attorney might allow it or why a client
25:42
Speaker 2: might choose to plead guilty in a case with such
25:44
Speaker 2: obvious glaring mental illness is you have to understand the
25:47
Speaker 2: incredibly strict, unforgiving laws of the specific jurisdiction she is in.
25:51
Speaker 1: Kansas. Yes.
25:52
Speaker 2: Kansas has some of the most rigid insanity laws in
25:55
Speaker 2: the entire country. In fact, Kansas effectively abolished the traditional
25:59
Speaker 2: insanity defense back in 1995.
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Speaker 1: Wait, really? They just got rid of it?
26:03
Speaker 2: Basically, yes.
26:04
Speaker 1: How strict are we talking? Because when you watch legal
26:06
Speaker 1: dramas on TV, you usually hear the phrase, they didn't
26:10
Speaker 1: know right from wrong. That's the classic of night and rule.
26:13
Speaker 2: Right. The knowing right from wrong standard is the classic
26:15
Speaker 2: baseline in a lot of states. If you didn't know
26:18
Speaker 2: killing was wrong, you're not guilty by reason of insanity.
26:21
Speaker 2: But not in Kansas.
26:22
Speaker 1: So what's their rule?
26:24
Speaker 2: In Kansas, it is absolutely not enough to prove that
26:27
Speaker 2: the defendant didn't know right from wrong. To win an
26:30
Speaker 2: insanity defense there, the defense must prove a negative.
26:33
Speaker 1: Which is always hard.
26:34
Speaker 2: It's incredibly hard. They must prove that the mental disease
26:38
Speaker 2: made the person literally unable to form an intent to kill...
26:41
Speaker 2: or unable to premeditate the act. It is entirely based
26:45
Speaker 2: on the mens rea, the intent.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me make sure I'm grasping how insane that
26:49
Speaker 1: legal standard is.
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Speaker 2: Go for it.
26:50
Speaker 1: You were telling me that even if Angie Mock fully believed,
26:53
Speaker 1: with every fiber of her being, that her mother was
26:56
Speaker 1: a venom-spewing alien robot, if she formed the mental intent
27:01
Speaker 1: to stop that robot by stabbing it, Kansas law says
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Speaker 1: she legally intended to kill, and therefore she is guilty
27:07
Speaker 1: of murder.
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Speaker 2: That is exactly what I am telling you. That is
27:10
Speaker 2: the incredibly high bar in Kansas.
27:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unbelievable.
27:14
Speaker 2: You are basically walking into a courtroom and arguing, yes,
27:17
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen of the jury, my client committed a
27:20
Speaker 2: horrendous bloody act, but her brain was structurally incapable of
27:25
Speaker 2: forming the specific legal intent required for murder.
27:28
Speaker 1: Which is almost impossible to prove to 12 strangers.
27:30
Speaker 2: That is a monumental, almost impossible task for a defense
27:34
Speaker 2: attorney to prove. And furthermore... Juries are notoriously unreceptive to
27:39
Speaker 2: NGRI defenses anyway. Faddis points this out in the report.
27:44
Speaker 1: Because they just see the blood.
27:45
Speaker 2: Exactly. When juries see a dead body and they see
27:48
Speaker 2: a gruesome, bloody crime scene, they want accountability. They are
27:52
Speaker 2: deeply psychologically uncomfortable letting someone walk away or go to
27:56
Speaker 2: a secure hospital instead of a concrete prison for a
27:59
Speaker 2: brutal murder, regardless of what a psychiatrist says about their
28:02
Speaker 2: brain chemistry.
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Speaker 1: It's a risk.
28:04
Speaker 2: Taking an NGRI defense to trial in Kansas is a
28:07
Speaker 2: massive life-altering gamble.
28:08
Speaker 1: Let me challenge the other side of the courtroom, though.
28:10
Speaker 1: I want to look at the prosecutor. Because if the
28:12
Speaker 1: prosecutor is reading the exact same police reports we just did,
28:16
Speaker 1: if they know she was hallucinating about a fake TV interview,
28:20
Speaker 1: if they have photos of the cheese grater on the pillow,
28:22
Speaker 1: and they have the medical records of her prior psychiatric hospitalization.
28:25
Speaker 2: They have all of that, yes.
28:27
Speaker 1: Isn't there a moral obligation on the part of the
28:29
Speaker 1: state to reject a first-degree murder plea? Is accepting this
28:34
Speaker 1: plea actually serving justice? Or is it just a prosecutor
28:38
Speaker 1: securing a guaranteed win, avoiding a messy trial and clearing
28:41
Speaker 1: a docket?
28:42
Speaker 2: That's a very fair question, and it raises an essential
28:45
Speaker 2: point about the dual mandate of any prosecutor. Yes, their
28:49
Speaker 2: ethical job is to seek justice, not just rack up convictions.
28:53
Speaker 2: As Faddis notes, a prosecutor shouldn't just hammer a severely
28:56
Speaker 2: ill defendant for the maximum sentence out of spite. However,
28:59
Speaker 2: their second— equally heavy mandate is to protect community safety
29:03
Speaker 2: and establish a deterrent.
29:04
Speaker 1: Which means getting her off the streets.
29:06
Speaker 2: Right. They are looking at an 81-year-old victim who was
29:09
Speaker 2: brutally stabbed to death in her own bed. They are
29:11
Speaker 2: looking at a defendant who, regardless of her illness, proved
29:14
Speaker 2: capable of committing a highly lethal violent act.
29:17
Speaker 1: So they can't just let it slide.
29:18
Speaker 2: For the prosecutor, securing a 25 to life sentence guarantees
29:22
Speaker 2: that the community is safe from this individual for decades.
29:25
Speaker 2: It secures absolute certainty in a case that, if it
29:28
Speaker 2: went to trial, could easily devolve into a chaotic, unpredictable
29:32
Speaker 2: battle of dueling psychiatric experts.
29:35
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine the tension on the defense side
29:38
Speaker 1: of the room. Put yourself in the shoes of her.
29:40
Speaker 1: defense attorney.
29:40
Speaker 2: It has to be incredibly stressful.
29:42
Speaker 1: You sit across from your client. You know she has
29:45
Speaker 1: a strong, highly documented history of schizophrenia. You want to
29:49
Speaker 1: fight this using the NGRI defense because you know she
29:52
Speaker 1: was not in her right mind. But your client looks
29:54
Speaker 1: at you and says, no, I'll take the 25 years.
29:58
Speaker 2: It is an agonizing position for a lawyer, but it
30:01
Speaker 2: happens much more frequently than the public realizes. You have
30:04
Speaker 2: to remember the psychological state of the client in that
30:06
Speaker 2: specific moment.
30:07
Speaker 1: Which has to be awful.
30:08
Speaker 2: Angie has been through a devastating, reality-shattering psychiatric block. Since then,
30:14
Speaker 2: she has been locked in a county jail, heavily medicated
30:17
Speaker 2: every single day with mood stabilizers and powerful antipsychotics.
30:21
Speaker 1: She's probably just drained.
30:22
Speaker 2: She is likely physically exhausted, profoundly depressed, and... perhaps most
30:28
Speaker 2: tragically deeply remorseful.
30:29
Speaker 1: Oh, because the meds are working.
30:31
Speaker 2: Yes, because now that the heavy medications have cleared away
30:34
Speaker 2: the hallucinations of robots and venom, she is waking up
30:38
Speaker 2: to the horrific reality of what she actually did to
30:41
Speaker 2: her own mother.
30:42
Speaker 1: The horror of waking up from that delusion and realizing
30:44
Speaker 1: the truth. Yeah. It's unimaginable. It is.
30:47
Speaker 2: The defense attorney has a duty to advise her on
30:50
Speaker 2: the law, the immense risks of a Kansas trial, and
30:52
Speaker 2: the benefits of a plea. But ultimately, legally and ethically...
30:57
Speaker 2: It is the client's life and the client's choice.
30:59
Speaker 1: Even if the lawyer disagrees.
31:01
Speaker 2: If an artificially competent, heavily medicated client looks at you
31:05
Speaker 2: and says, I am too tired to fight. I don't
31:07
Speaker 2: want a trial. I want to plead guilty. The attorney
31:10
Speaker 2: is ethically bound to honor that choice.
31:12
Speaker 1: Wow.
31:13
Speaker 2: Even if it means standing silently beside them as they
31:15
Speaker 2: walk into a prison cell for the rest of their
31:17
Speaker 2: natural life.
31:18
Speaker 1: And so the plea deal resolves the case on paper.
31:20
Speaker 1: It closes the file folder. But when you actually read
31:23
Speaker 1: the text of the agreement that Angie Mock signed to
31:26
Speaker 1: get that legal closure, a whole new layer of this
31:29
Speaker 1: story is just entirely erased from history. Yes.
31:34
Speaker 2: The legal resolution requires a complete stripping away of all
31:37
Speaker 2: the nuance and complexity we've just spent the last hour discussing.
31:41
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting and honestly pretty disturbing
31:44
Speaker 1: for anyone who cares about the historical record.
31:46
Speaker 2: It's a factual basis document.
31:47
Speaker 1: Yes. The plea agreement contains a section called the factual basis.
31:51
Speaker 1: This is the official narrative of the crime that both
31:54
Speaker 1: the prosecution and the defense agree to put on the
31:57
Speaker 1: permanent court record.
31:58
Speaker 2: It's the official story.
31:59
Speaker 1: Right. And the narrative they agreed to for Halloween 2025
32:02
Speaker 1: goes exactly like this. Angie's stepdad leaves the house for
32:05
Speaker 1: work at 710 a.m. As soon as he leaves, Angie
32:09
Speaker 1: enters her mother's room. She stabs her sleeping mom to death.
32:12
Speaker 1: She calls 911. Police arrive and arrest her.
32:15
Speaker 2: It is entirely clinical. It is a sterile mechanical recitation
32:19
Speaker 2: of physical movements in space and time.
32:21
Speaker 1: But look at what is completely glaringly missing from that
32:26
Speaker 1: official record.
32:26
Speaker 2: Pretty much everything that explains why it happened.
32:29
Speaker 1: There is no mention of the cheese grater carefully placed
32:32
Speaker 1: on the pillow. There is no mention of the mother
32:34
Speaker 1: supposedly stewing venom or the family being robots. There is
32:38
Speaker 1: no mention of the delusion about the television interview.
32:41
Speaker 2: None of it.
32:42
Speaker 1: And most importantly, there is zero mention of the schizophrenia,
32:46
Speaker 1: the prior incompetency finding, or the massive cocktail of state-mandated
32:51
Speaker 1: drugs she was on. All of it just wiped away.
32:54
Speaker 2: That is the nature of the beast when you are
32:56
Speaker 2: dealing with the criminal justice system. The system demands what
33:00
Speaker 2: Eric Faddis calls the material aspects.
33:02
Speaker 1: Of the case.
33:03
Speaker 2: Who, what, when, where.
33:05
Speaker 1: It doesn't care about the why.
33:07
Speaker 2: The system's paperwork does not have a checkbox for complex,
33:10
Speaker 2: reality-altering psychiatric breakdown. Prosecutors draft these factual basis documents as
33:16
Speaker 2: a take-it-or-leave-it proposition.
33:18
Speaker 1: So they force your hand.
33:19
Speaker 2: If the defense wants the certainty of the 25-year plea deal,
33:22
Speaker 2: they have to sign off on the prosecutor's highly sanitized
33:25
Speaker 2: black-and-white version of events.
33:27
Speaker 1: But think about the mind-bending irony of this situation.
33:30
Speaker 2: It's quite a paradox.
33:31
Speaker 1: Angie has to sign a piece of paper in open
33:33
Speaker 1: court claiming she is in her right mind. and completely
33:37
Speaker 1: competent to accept this plea deal, permanently giving up her
33:40
Speaker 1: constitutional right to a trial. Right. But that very right
33:43
Speaker 1: mind she's claiming to have is entirely, 100% dependent on
33:49
Speaker 1: lithium and Abilify chemically suppressing her severe schizophrenia.
33:53
Speaker 2: It's a manufactured right mind.
33:55
Speaker 1: Exactly. She is legally attesting to her own sanity while
33:58
Speaker 1: under the heavy, active influence of antipsychotics specifically designed to
34:03
Speaker 1: mask her insanity.
34:04
Speaker 2: And that stark contradiction is exactly what makes these types
34:07
Speaker 2: of plea deals so fragile upon later review. The Law
34:11
Speaker 2: and Crime Report draws direct parallels to other high profile
34:14
Speaker 2: tragic cases involving mental health and strict plea structures like
34:18
Speaker 2: the Brian Koberger case or the Lindsay Clancy case in Massachusetts.
34:22
Speaker 1: Oh, I remember those.
34:23
Speaker 2: In all these situations, defendants navigate these incredibly rigid legal confines.
34:27
Speaker 2: They make these deals and the general public thinks the
34:30
Speaker 2: book is closed. But the finality of a plea deal
34:33
Speaker 2: in a severe mental health case is often an illusion.
34:36
Speaker 1: Right, because what happens in the future? What happens in
34:39
Speaker 1: six months or two years when Angie is sitting in
34:42
Speaker 1: a state prison cell?
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Speaker 2: Appeals.
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Speaker 1: Can she file an appeal and say, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: I want a take back? The very medications that the
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Speaker 1: state forced me to take to make me, quote unquote, competent,
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Speaker 1: actually clouded my judgment, made me highly docile, and prevented
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Speaker 1: me from truly understanding that I was signing my entire
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Speaker 1: life away.
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Speaker 2: It is a very real possibility, and it creates an
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Speaker 2: absolute legal minefield. If she appeals, the prosecutor will simply
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Speaker 2: point to the black and white document. They will say,
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Speaker 2: look at the record. She signed it. She answered the
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Speaker 2: judge's questions clearly in open court. She stated she understood.
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Speaker 1: Because it's all there in writing.
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Speaker 2: But an appellate defense attorney would argue exactly the point
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Speaker 2: you just made. They would argue that her signature on
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Speaker 2: that sanitized paper is not conclusive evidence of true informed capacity.
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Speaker 1: How could it be?
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Speaker 2: They would argue that a person suffering from severe schizoaffective
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Speaker 2: disorder who has been heavily sedated by state-mandated drugs just
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Speaker 2: to survive a court hearing cannot possibly give truly informed
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Speaker 2: consent to a life sentence. It leaves the door wide
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Speaker 2: open for years, maybe decades, of complex post-conviction litigation.
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Speaker 1: So this sanitized piece of paper officially closes the book
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Speaker 1: on Anita Aver's murder for the state of Kansas. But
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Speaker 1: for us, it leaves profound... lingering questions about how our
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Speaker 1: society handles these deeply human tragedies.
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Speaker 2: It really does.
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Speaker 1: Let's recap the intense journey we've been on today. We
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Speaker 1: started by looking at a vibrant, successful morning TV anchor,
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Speaker 1: a woman who was the trusted face of the news
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Speaker 1: for thousands of people paddling furiously beneath the surface.
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Speaker 2: Right, the duck on the pond.
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Speaker 1: We followed that trajectory until it violently crashed into a horrific,
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Speaker 1: delusion-fueled crime scene on a quiet Halloween morning. complete with
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Speaker 1: bizarre details like a cheese grater that shattered the logic
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Speaker 1: of the crime.
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Speaker 2: Total detachment from reality.
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Speaker 1: And we ended up in a sterile courtroom where a
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Speaker 1: staggeringly complex mental health tragedy was reduced, filtered, and forcefully
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Speaker 1: compressed into a sanitized two-sentence legal transaction.
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Speaker 2: It is a very stark, very humbling reminder of the
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Speaker 2: limitations of the institutions we rely on to maintain order.
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Speaker 1: It really is. And for you listening, I know how
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Speaker 1: uncomfortable it is to sit with this story. We desperately
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Speaker 1: want the gesture system to be a perfect, flawless machine
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Speaker 1: that dispenses perfect fairness and absolute truth.
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Speaker 2: We want it to make sense.
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Speaker 1: But cases like Angie Mock's force us to look in
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Speaker 1: the mirror and realize that the system is simply not
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Speaker 1: built to handle the infinite, messy complexities of the human brain.
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Speaker 1: The system vastly prefers black and white checkboxes. over the
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Speaker 1: terrifying reality of severe psychiatric illnesses.
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Speaker 2: It's easier that way.
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Speaker 1: It prefers a cleanly signed piece of paper over trying
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Speaker 1: to understand why a cheese grater was left on a
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Speaker 1: bloody pillow.
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Speaker 2: If we connect all of this to the bigger picture,
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Speaker 2: I want to leave you with a final provocative thought
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Speaker 2: to mull over long after this deep dive ends.
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Speaker 1: Lay it on us.
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Speaker 2: In this case, the state utilized the incredible power of
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Speaker 2: medical science to medicate a woman suffering from severe, reality-breaking schizophrenia.
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Speaker 2: But they didn't medicate her to heal her trauma.
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Speaker 1: No, they didn't.
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Speaker 2: They didn't medicate her to return her to the vibrant,
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Speaker 2: capable woman she once was. They medicated her just enough
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Speaker 2: so that she could legally consent to spending the rest
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Speaker 2: of her natural life locked in a prison cell.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: In our society's desperate, unyielding rush for legal closure and neat,
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Speaker 2: sanitized narratives, we have to ask ourselves... Have we simply
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Speaker 2: outsourced our mental health crisis to the penal system?
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Speaker 1: It sure seems like it.
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Speaker 2: Are we just locking away the terrifying symptoms of the
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Speaker 2: disease because we are completely unequipped and unwilling to treat
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Speaker 2: the disease itself?
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Speaker 1: It really makes you wonder. The next time you pour
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Speaker 1: your coffee, turn on the morning news, and you see
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Speaker 1: that bright smiling face gliding effortlessly across the screen. How
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Speaker 1: hard are they paddling underneath? And what happens when they
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Speaker 1: finally run out of energy? Thanks for taking this deep
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Speaker 1: dive with us. We'll see you next time.