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Fitness, Founding HEW, & Growth Insights w/ Matt Hunt | Ep 53 · The Driven Athlete

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  Speaker 1: If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach and pursue a higher quality life with some ambition, then guess what this podcast is for you.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: This is the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: Y'all, it's your man, dr Kyle.
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  Speaker 1: Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: We got the legend, the man, matt Hunt, with us today.
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  Speaker 1: I know you're a busy dude, so thank you for coming in.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for having me, for being here, and so you're one of the owners of Hue, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, randall and I are the founders Founders of Hue.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, hard exercise works.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you guys get that idea?
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  Speaker 1: Like, how'd that come about?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I had been doing it prior to moving here in 2005.
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  Speaker 2: So we had 13 locations in the Atlanta area and sold that, moved my family down here in 2005.
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  Speaker 2: And then, after about six months was like I got to start the similar concept up down here.
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  Speaker 2: So we found a place in Jupiter.
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  Speaker 2: Florida Actually started right before I met Randall.
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  Speaker 2: We opened up a CrossFit facility because I had worked as a subject matter expert for CrossFit, teaching CrossFit locations how to open up their locations as a franchise, like how the steps for it, and it was a four-day seminar that we did once a month for about eight months, on and off with CrossFit.
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  Speaker 2: So I lived in Florida.
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  Speaker 2: We would travel out west, originally started in Santa Cruz.
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  Speaker 2: Then Greg Glassman, the founder of CrossFit.
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  Speaker 2: So I lived in Florida.
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  Speaker 2: We would travel out west, originally started in Santa Cruz.
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  Speaker 2: Then Greg Glassman, the founder of CrossFit, moved to Prescott and we would host them between there Atlanta, georgia.
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  Speaker 2: So, long story short, I realized that you know I just love this business.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to get back into a potential franchise type model.
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  Speaker 2: To get back into a potential franchise type model.
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  Speaker 2: So uh, opened up a CrossFit location in a which is typical style, in a warehoused unit, uh, back in Jupiter commerce business park and uh met Randall through that.
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  Speaker 2: And then, uh, he started working out and I said, hey, why don't we form a partnership and see what we can do together?
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  Speaker 2: And then we did that for about six months and realized the CrossFit name really wasn't the direction we wanted to go and we had a little bit different style.
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  Speaker 2: But it was still functional, intense, varied movement.
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  Speaker 2: So we relocated that gym from to I think it was 280 or 230 West Indiantown Road, and that really got the ball rolling.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, within a year we were up and running and full and we had to double our location size and so we moved to the 711 address, which is where we are now Current location for Hugh Jupiter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: So you're from Atlanta originally.
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  Speaker 2: Well, originally all over, but I ended up in Atlanta after I graduated from college.
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  Speaker 2: Gotcha Lived there for 28 years, I think Cool yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you moved around a lot then, as like a kid growing up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was born in Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: We lived in Hawaii for a long period of time.
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  Speaker 2: Then my father moved back.
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  Speaker 2: He got a job in Ohio and that's kind of where I ended up in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 2: Was he in the Navy or what?
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  Speaker 1: was he doing?
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  Speaker 2: No, he was a.
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  Speaker 2: He ran library systems for counties and states, so he was the state librarian for an avid reader.
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  Speaker 2: I hated the library.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you were there a lot he would always say hey, have you read your book today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of like a franchise, right, like a bunch of library like navigating and managing the same kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, correct Is that where you got a lot of your entrepreneurial insights from, or motivation?
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  Speaker 2: Probably more motivation, not necessarily insights.
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: I had no clue.
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  Speaker 2: I read everything I could about franchising before we get into it, but still, when you really practically apply, it's like saying you know, hey, you can throw a football, but when you really start reading schemes and understanding what the quarterback position is, it was a lot more daunting once we got in it.
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  Speaker 2: So we figured things out quickly and, thank God, randall is a great business partner and a solid engineering background, because that's my skill set that I lacked.
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  Speaker 2: So, together with my background, which was more sales and marketing, and his background of how to put the pieces together, it worked out extremely well, interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the so y'all, what was your franchise in Atlanta?
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  Speaker 2: It was called Sons S-O-N-Z Fitness.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, same same type concept, same high intensity movement.
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  Speaker 2: You know a lot of barbell work, uh yeah, substantial amount, yeah, running, yeah Cool.
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  Speaker 1: Run, lift, jump.
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  Speaker 1: What made what?
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  Speaker 1: What led you to be like?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I want to open?
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  Speaker 1: I want to open a fitness franchise.
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  Speaker 1: What, what, what did that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I come from a um.
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  Speaker 2: I had a wrestling background, okay, and so from that I realized that in the wrestling practices we did these same type workouts and then we would take a 10 or 15 minute break and then do mat work.
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  Speaker 2: So we always did a different, constantly varied workout a lot of rope climbing, a lot of pegboard, a lot of just drill work, a lot of lifting, and then after that it was always intense.
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  Speaker 2: So it was always a very quick, rapid, short workout, usually four time under 20 minutes, take a 10 minute break and then go out and do your mat work.
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  Speaker 2: So it just stemmed from that and through that I met a bunch of guys who ended up becoming Navy SEALs and Army Rangers, and so I kept in that community with these guys and then I started writing workouts for some of the special forces guys.
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  Speaker 2: Just casually.
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  Speaker 2: We talk about, hey, what makes you really fit?
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  Speaker 2: What can you sustain working out, going out in the field, what makes you fit?
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  Speaker 2: And I still, to this day, haven't found anything better than a constantly varied functional movement performed at high intensity.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Consistently, yeah, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: So then, so you had Sons Fitness yeah, 13 locations.
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: You said Correct.
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  Speaker 1: And then sold that, moved down here to Jupiter, yep.
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  Speaker 1: And then your CrossFit gym Yep, that was in the Commerce Warehouse District and they said it wasn't really the style, it wasn't really your fit.
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  Speaker 2: Well, CrossFit has a different.
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  Speaker 2: Crossfit caters largely to 25 year old fire breather guys, very you know A type, personalities and there's nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that's perfect, but we catered more towards just the general population.
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  Speaker 2: We had women coming over to the gym, 30 to 40 years old, saying, hey, I want to lose 10 pounds, and we realized that's a far larger market to approach.
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  Speaker 2: Plus, that's the background I came from with San, so I was used to dealing just with the general public.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't really want elite athletes, so to speak.
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted your everyday person who wanted to get better.
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  Speaker 1: and it's worked out well for us.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome and I think, from like, a longevity standpoint of goals and like where people are at like, sticking to that is going to be, at least from what I found you know, more likely to stick to it Of.
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  Speaker 1: Like versus the you know mid 20 fire breather competitors, like at some point that the competition ends.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Right, like you can't do that all forever.
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  Speaker 1: Vers versus like.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be a better version of myself and just maintain a healthy lifestyle that will be maintained until you're 70, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Or 75.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Um, so for a lot more people are in that boat, like you said you know, yeah, by far.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's the majority of the American population.
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  Speaker 2: They just want to feel better, look better, perform better, so then.
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  Speaker 1: So from there, you were like I want to target a different market, different brand, the brand association.
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's when you came up with Heart Exercise Works.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so coming from a brand that we had already created, and I met Greg Glassman through that brand, through Seamans.
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  Speaker 2: We were in a roundtable group where they took some of the best performing gyms.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a Faust roundtable group and he had four segments of 10 individuals that he would group together and you met three to four times a year and you talked about.
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  Speaker 2: So that's how I was introduced to Greg.
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  Speaker 2: Then I went out and took one of the first CrossFit level one seminars and I was like this guy's doing the exact same thing in California that we've been doing in Atlanta, georgia.
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  Speaker 2: So he asked me to come on and be a subject matter expert and I realized that, as great as CrossFit is, we just didn't want to go in the same direction as that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so understandable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so how'd you come up with?
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  Speaker 1: Hard exercise works, hugh.
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  Speaker 2: We just thought that that was.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that was the straight to the point name.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty practical, yeah, pretty direct and uh, ironically, because it's such a mouthful you know, I work out at Heart Exercise Works people just started the acronym HUE yeah, and so it became HUE Fitness.
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  Speaker 1: And so that was kind of like a happenstance that you're like, a lot of these members are saying HUE, they're like great, let's run with it, Hugh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we had a consulting group come in.
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  Speaker 2: They interviewed all these customers, the members, and, since the majority of our membership across the brand is 60% to 65% females, who are between 30% and 45% they were calling it Hugh and they're like, hey, stick with it.
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  Speaker 2: Customers love that, just run with that, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I imagine, like so you were saying the best approach, philosophy of fitness.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like the best results come from consistently doing functional fitness at high intensity.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my belief.
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  Speaker 1: Um, and that includes movements, like, like.
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  Speaker 1: Describe some of the movements that people would expect to hear uh, anything barbell related, anything kettlebell related.
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  Speaker 2: So barbell related would be squats, deadlifts, overhead squats, cleans, power cleans.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, anything kettlebell related would be squats, deadlifts, overhead squats, cleans, power cleans, anything kettlebell related.
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  Speaker 2: You know, kettlebell swings, kettlebell deadlifts, kettlebell snatches, learning those more difficult movements, obviously in the beginning with real lightweight, just understanding how the movement is performed, yeah, but always switching it up.
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  Speaker 2: So you want to have a monostructural movement, but always switching it up.
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  Speaker 2: So you want to have a monostructural movement, you want to have some sort of what I call cardiovascular-type movement or gymnastic-type movement, and then you want some weight-bearing stuff in there and then again, with all the gymnastic movements, involve things like pull-ups or handstand push-ups, those type movements.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the cardio, the running component.
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  Speaker 1: There's usually always a running aspect.
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  Speaker 2: Almost always.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a running rowing, some type of monostructural movement where you have to do that part of the performance and come back and lift weights Because it's a lot harder to.
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  Speaker 2: It's a game changer.
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  Speaker 1: You got it Like it's a total game.
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  Speaker 1: I used to hate, so I played two sports in college.
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: I played football and obviously you're going to lift a lot more if it's a standard thing.
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I used to hate doing conditioning and then going into in the weight room Cause I was super.
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: I was like I'm not as strong Right, like I'm just like depleted, I'm like fatigued out, I'm burning, like everything's not as strong.
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: So, like man, like the times that I've done a bunch's, like it's difficult and like okay, now I gotta run outside again and then come back in and do more squats or lunges or kettlebell swings, power cleans, like deadlifts, whatever, yeah, and it's like I don't have.
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: I don't like I gotta muster up this strength to do this right.
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: And the great thing that I've always liked I'm a huge advocate of it group exercise is you're gonna push yourself a lot more.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, with people around you, versus like by yourself at a gym.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Like with your headphones in, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And and you know, we constantly hear well, I'm not competitive from customers and I always laugh.
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  Speaker 2: Every single person is competitive.
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  Speaker 2: So if I see you in the class and I realize you're doing more than me, I mentally see you out of the corner of my periphery, you know, and I want to work harder, and so that's why groups work?
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: I mean plenty of studies on the entrepreneurial standpoint, like you are who you hang out with, oh, yeah, and I think it was something that came up.
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: Just it's related to like pushing yourself and being somewhat competitive, some kind of Harvard study about, like the number one indicator of someone's income is who they reference themselves to, who they compare themselves to, which is like you are who you hang out with and who you, if you want to be a millionaire, hang out with five millionaires and you'll be the sixth, right, right.
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard the same stuff A hundred percent.
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely agree with that same thing.
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: With fitness, yeah, yeah, I do too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like you're able to push yourself a little bit more being in that group and be like, ah, I think I'm going to take this last set off.
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: It's like you can't do that.
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  Speaker 1: People are watching you.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, the running component is a game changer with the weightlifting, totally, but that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: So Greg Glassman he's the founder of CrossFit.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, do you all still do collaborations?
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  Speaker 1: Still, no, because I know he exited CrossFit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's starting a new thing.
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: Well, he's not starting it, he's been in it.
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: I can't remember the exact name of it it's a health initiative and they go by the short name Metfix.
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: But he's essentially going in the direction that nutrition is a huge component of this whole game roughly 80% in the fitness space.
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  Speaker 2: So he's moving from, I believe, that direction and then saying you need to do fitness on top of it, but you got to dial in your nutrition first.
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that?
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that nutrition is a key component to not only staying healthy but longevity in your workouts.
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: As I've gotten older, I've cut back largely on carbohydrates because I've realized for me they weren't as beneficial long-term.
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  Speaker 2: I would end up getting a lot of joint pain and soreness after about 45 years old.
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  Speaker 2: So as I began to cut that back, I felt better and stronger in my workouts overall.
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: And there's you know we can argue this stuff back and forth all day long the science.
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: But I only speak for myself, and so when people ask, I say this is what works for me.
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely a lot of a lot of opinions on nutrition, but I definitely agree that like nutrition is going to be the most impactful component of like if somebody wants to improve their wellbeing, health, fitness, wellness, general, the way they feel, right.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: I've always thought that, like if you don't work out at all but you dial any nutrition, you're, you're gonna be, you're gonna notice differences, yeah, um.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: So what?
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: What's your nutrition plan look like right now?
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: I pretty much follow the carnivore diet for the most part.
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: I eat a lot of high protein, high fat, very little carbohydrate.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: I never turn it away Like tonight.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: We're going out to celebrate something for a friend, so we're going to a restaurant and I'll pick and choose the majority of what I eat.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, if there's carbs there I'll indulge myself.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah of course, what's your diet like?
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: The 80-20 rule?
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, my diet good question, question.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody asked me that yet I, uh, I feel like I do better when I have a lot of vegetables in my life.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: You do good, yeah, green like broccoli, green beans, peas, spinach.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: I usually have spinach every morning.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: I have three eggs in the morning and I'm talking with, uh, some of the nutrition people about like and this also does a different rabbit hole of like conspiracy theory and just food and the state of the political climate super hot right now, you know but just in general, of like the ingredients of food is so lengthy and just convoluted and complex.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: Now, it's like it wasn't like that.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: You know, 20 years, 30 years ago, 50 years ago, I, who knows, I'm only been a coherent adult for what?
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Seven years of my life I'm 35, right, when are you a coherent adult?
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Right, what point?
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Like you don't, you're not 18 and all of a sudden, an adult, you know, just accidentally living and then it's just a.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: What first half of your life is just a?
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Or the first third of your life is what?
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: An act?
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Just an accident, yeah, and hopefully just preventing major blunders from happening.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: You know, like major things, but anyway, I've only been a coherent adult for seven years.
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  Speaker 1: But, uh, so heck if I know, but like it does seem like man.
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  Speaker 1: There's like a lot of complex ingredients and a lot of stuff.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, there is, and a lot of sick people, like sickly individuals that are on multiple medications.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: And yeah, solution, take another medication to prevent this medication from that side effect of that medication.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: And then, oh, by the way, take more vaccines, it'll help you.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Right, I'm like man, I don't have a lot of thoughts on that.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyway, to answer your question, from that side effect of that medication and then, oh, by the way, take more vaccines, it'll help you.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like man, I don't have a lot of thoughts on that.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: But anyway, to answer your question, nutrition with the eggs.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Eggs, right, I like getting super organic eggs Like I don't eat white eggs anymore, they're not like real from what I've heard and then with a little bit of cheese.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to not put cheese in my eggs a little bit.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Do you eat meat?
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm a meat guy for sure.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then spinach for breakfast and then lunch.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I usually have the same thing, cause I want to lower the amount of decisions I have to make and I really don't care.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Like, as long as that's somewhat.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: This is where I'm at.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Like I'm a dad, I got two kids, I got one on the way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a business owner Um, I gotta get my own workouts in.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I got a bunch of stuff I got to knock out.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I know you, I'm sure you know exactly what that's like.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Um, eating is like a time consuming in the way thing where I'm like I need to knock out a workout and call this person.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, shoot, I got to eat first.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: If I don't eat, I'm going to be super lightheaded and I'm not going to get my workout in.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Right, like I gotta, I gotta work, I gotta eat.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Like this is annoying, you know, yeah, um, but anyway, so for or rice, quinoa, some kind of carb like that, and then just.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Or meat, fish, ground turkey, right, and then like a big Tupperware of green beans or something Are your workouts high intensity.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: For the most part, I dabble a little bit of the both.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I find myself enjoying, what I do the most consistently is just weightlifting, strength training, right Strength training, and I'll layer in some cardio stuff with it.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, you know, either after the workout or between a circuit of strength exercises, do some cardio and then wrap up the workout with more strength exercises, and then minimal rest time between.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I'm usually moving back and forth through stuff.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Am I allowed to ask you questions?
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want you to.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this feels weird.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Well, allowed to ask you questions?
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want you to.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this feels weird.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: So you said you've got two kids, one on the way, so you're going to have three, three, you've got.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: What are they, boy?
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: girl, yeah, my daughter's four, okay, and then my son is two, okay, and then we're having a boy.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: November 23rd is the due date, yeah, so we're, we're, uh, I mean we're two months away.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: You know like in in what four weeks, it could be any week.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: You know How's your wife doing.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: She's doing good, good, she's definitely.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: You know she's getting bigger, she's getting more fatigued.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: She's 31 weeks at this point, yeah, and then just you know she's getting, you know, soreness, you know which is normal, but she's doing really good, yeah, and we, oh my gosh, we're just like we.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: We moved a new house, um, earlier this year and we renovated everything while living in it with like two toddlers.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Oh man, it was tough, that's a challenge and everything's dusty and like, yeah, just all this chaos.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: And I was just like I just this is good, this is good, I need, I need this.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Like just got to live in the chaos.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just live in it and be embrace it embrace it, just live in it.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: You know it'll Just live in it and be okay.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Embrace it, embrace it, just live in it.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: You know it'd be okay and it won't last forever, right, but anyway.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Um so then, for?
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: So?
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Uh, dinner we usually have I usually eat the same thing for lunch and dinner whatever the main entree, the meat, and then some kind of quinoa rice, maybe a corn tortilla you know I'll have that for carb and then just frozen vegetables that I heat in the microwave.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good, yeah, you brought up something interesting.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: You said you like to minimize your choices and John Sullivan, the owner of Guanabana's, works out with this good friend and he said he's found he comes from a chef background and a cooking background.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: He says there's two types of people in this world.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: This always cracked me up.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I'd never heard it before he goes those that live to eat and those that eat to live.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: And I am definitely just like what.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I don't care what it looks like, you know if it's I'm eat to live, guy ground chuck, uh, ribeye steaks.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I'm like the Steven jobs of the refrigerator, you know.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: It's just all lined up frozen.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: It's easy for me to pull out in the morning, thaw out.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I don't eat.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Until noon I eat my first little bit of ground chuck, you know.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Then I have the ribeye for dinner and it's simple and I never.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: People are like don't you get tired of it?
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like I'd be fine with it and like it's interesting.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: It's like rarely, especially right now in our life, cause going out to eat right now is like a absolute hassle, like there's no.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Going out to eat right now is like a absolute hassle, like there's no.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Have you ever been out to eat with toddlers?
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys know like they're immediately running around the whole restaurant screaming, going up to people and looking at their food and I'm like yo, we gave some space.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: You know I'm going to sit down.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: They're not sitting down.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: It's we're not going out to eat, we.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Anyways, even if we do go out to eat on a date night or something like that, I'm like I look at the menu.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like that looks good, I'll have that, you know.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: And my wife will be like I bet you would probably like this a lot and this.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like okay, sounds good.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: You know, she like knows me better than I know me and I'll order it.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like this is really don't even care, Like I just I'm hungry.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like I got stuff to do, you know, and I want to get home at a decent time so I can spend time with my kids.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: That's really what I want, so I just don't care.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I have not gotten to the stage one with this pants or like what you know.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I haven't gotten there yet I'm on the fence.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, I think our careers lend to that, Cause it's pretty much this for you know, in our business.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally so, I usually.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: But anyway, um, that's usually what I eat.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: And then the 80,20 rule weekends usually we'll have like pizza I'm a pizza guy, yeah, I like everything, but we'll usually a little bit less stringent, you know.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: And then snacking at night, probably like chips and salsa.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Right, you know, that's my snack.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: That stuff.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I miss it a lot.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I'm probably going to have some tonight, though, because we're going to La Bamba.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's great spot yeah, all the chips you can eat.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've made the big mistake.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I usually eat way too many chips and my entree comes and I'm like, give me a box.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm just not used to like, yeah, engorging my, like I did in college.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, um.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: And then same with alcohol too.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, like I have not kicked that.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Like I enjoy, um, you know, beer cocktail, like I enjoy it.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Still, I haven't totally kicked it out of my life yet.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, um, you're familiar with bedros koolian.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, um, I like him, I like his message.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we just.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: And jaco willing, same thing.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Sure, those are the guys that I just resonate with.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: You know, same, um, they they're both like.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: You know, alcohol, don't do it right.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I know bedros is like that, but, um, I'm not there yet, yeah, well, neither am I.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'll have maybe a drink a month, but I still enjoy, especially if I'm going to a function.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah, exactly, but anyway, that's what I eat.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: That's my 80-20 rule.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I think is definitely important because I've always thought and this happened to me deprivation will ultimately lead to binging.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: It's like if I deprive myself and cut cold turkey, it leads to some kind of even the Rock right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Dwayne Johnson like he has a cheat meal.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I just don't call it cheat meals.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm yeah, I'm an advocate for that.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, same, and I, like I'll treat myself to a little bit of chocolate on the weekend, every weekend, simply because I just want to be normal.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, feels good, yeah, totally, that's interesting.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: No, I appreciate you asking me questions.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I usually know good questions.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, but anyway, yeah, navigating.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: So you have a family, right?
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, your kids Three.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Three kids.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: How old are they?
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I have a son who's 25, who's in the Army Reserves, works at the Pentagon in intelligence, and then I have a 19-year-old daughter who's just about to turn 20, and she plays college volleyball up in New York.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: What college?
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: William Smith College.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: It's a D3 team.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, yeah, she loves it.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah Well, that's amazing.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I've heard from a lot of wiser parents than myself that it goes fast, it does, and they enjoy it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't imagine my daughter being 28, you know, or you're 19.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah Well, it breaks my heart Like I'm.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I don't like thinking about it cause I'm like I'm going to miss her, you know, yeah, I was.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: You know it's funny you bring that up Cause I really think, like all the people I work with, all my business partners, the franchise owners, they're all in your age range and they all are in the same boat with children and it's so fascinating to listen to their stories.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: But I realized, man it just.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: You know you hear it all the time, but it literally flew by and I'm thinking, god, these kids are all out on their own and you know it's just incredible.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: But enjoy it, enjoy the chaos, yeah exactly.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I think that's we need that like difficult trial of like a renovation when you're living in it, like it, just it allows it, allowed me to be like, just live in the chaos, just be okay with it.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I went through as soon as you were saying that I was reliving mine.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: We, as soon as you were saying that I was reliving mine.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: We bought a house out in the farms, took eight months to renovate it.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Well, supposedly eight months ended up being over a year.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: The kids were dusty every night.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: We had to, you know, stuff hanging in the house, the tarps to keep wherever they were jackhammering up the floor and doing the kitchen.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I understand perfectly well.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: We had the plastic sheets up, yeah, and we had to like the fridge was still in the kitchen behind the plastic sheets, you know, because the whole kitchen was tarped off, yeah, and we had like a little zipper between the thing and we had to have sandals, like at the entrance, because it was so dusty you had to track it everywhere you went, I know exactly.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: So we put the sandals on, walk to the fridge, grab a handful armful of things, close the fridge with your leg, walk in the sandals, but take the sandals off when you get to the exit and then walk barefoot to the table.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: We had a tabletop microwave at the other side of the living room.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Um, we had like a little griddle machine that we would cook eggs, and my wife was awesome.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: She's super, um, resourceful with like cooking and stuff like that.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: So we didn't eat out really at all, you know.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Still, it's also monetarily a better decision anyway.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just made it happen.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, spilled eggs everywhere.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: My daughter was like trying to grab the griddle thing.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: It's super hot, you know.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: It's like, don't do that.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, eggs spilled all over the floor.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: It's like now we got to go back to the fridge and do the and clean everything up and I'm running late, yeah yeah.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's rough, you know, but, uh, it's a journey, you know it is.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Um, oh, this was gonna bring up.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: So, um, well, you mentioned, like um, the guanabana's owner.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: What was his first name?
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: John sullivan.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: John sullivan, people eat to live or live to eat.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I totally agree with that.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, I've, and I'll observe people, you know, before a meal, let's say, and they have like their plate ready and they're they're getting ready.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, they have their silver, they, and they have like their plate ready and they're they're getting ready.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: You know, they have their silver, they get their napkin on their plate and they're like for lack of a better term they're like making love to their meal.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Right, I'm just like ready to eat, to pound it and like get moving.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: And it's just a different philosophy.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: You know, I can maybe all like I dip my toe in appreciating it, like I said, a good meal here or there, like out to eat, or yeah, but other than that, like especially now, like even at home, I'm just like crushing the meal as fast as I can so that my kids don't throw their plate everywhere.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: You know, that's all I'm doing is just fast as possible and there's managing them, get up and chase them, get back and take a bite.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: You know, take three bites real fast, yeah, but maybe, maybe then it, like at this, this will make me then appreciate eating differently once my kids grow older.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it will man like?
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: this is kind of nice.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, has that happened with you, or still, or no?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I, I.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: It's.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: It's enjoyable now because managing kids, as you all know, which is the greatest thing you could ever do in life, but it's it's chaotic.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: You know, I always made sure they ate first and then I would, you know, follow through with mine, but you had to corral them and take care of them.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I find myself when I prepare the times that I do prepare dinner, which is less often.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: My wife, you know, cause usually I'm at work, I get home and we're already kind of managing, you know.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Or I'll take the kids, because she's at home full time, and I'll take them out to we'll go for a walk my daughter's amazing, and my son's the same, like my son's amazing too.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I love my son more than anything in the world too.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: But they'll be like let's go on a sunshine walk and I'm like that sounds like a great idea we can go look at like the halloween decorations and a huge skeleton guy, or like go look for lizards or something.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: And then my wife is with the kids all day.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: It's like you stay here.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I was like you want me to cook dinner.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: She's like no, I just want some separation time.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Like perfect, I'll tell the kids outside I haven't seen them all day.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: We'll go run, you know, we'll go swimming or something, and then come back dinner's ready, but it was.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: If I prepare dinner, um, I find myself eating while I'm preparing and I'm done eating, yeah, and then I serve my kids the food that hey, dinner's ready.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: So I'm not hangry and I'm not trying to like rush my I'm not trying to like stuff myself while they're eating.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I don't even eat anyway.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I can just manage them Right, and I'm already eating you know, yeah, it's like you just got to make it happen.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, true, yeah, the uh.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: So I was gonna ask was uh so with the, with the um fitness thing?
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Your, your kids, I would imagine they?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: take some of the lifestyle habits that you've.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I couldn't keep them out of the gym.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: You know you've, you've been in there and you see it.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: So when you're a kid and you see ropes and rings and kettlebells, they're totally unique to your fitness experience and so they want to hands-on touch everything.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: And, yeah, they played sports all their life.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: My son wrestled at the Citadel, my daughter plays volleyball at William Smith.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: So you know they've been, yeah, their whole life.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: That's awesome, yeah.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: And super driven, apparently because your son works for the Pentagon.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, daughter's a full-time athlete right now at school.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, your oldest daughter.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: So she athlete right now.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: It's tool.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, your oldest daughter just let.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so she's been working out her old life.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: She just left the air force.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, left the air force.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: She's going back to school on the gi bill, but uh, she has.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think those kids have missed a workout since they were 13 years old and I didn't force them to do it, they just saw the habits of of mom and dad doing it yeah, that's.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I've also heard that we reflected on and try to really absorb that wisdom from other people, as in like they're going to, they just are interested in what you're interested in.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: They, they watch you, so it's like a sponge, which is totally true, because they they talk like us, they see the lingo like us, they say little quirky things that I say and I'm like I say that all the time, like you're just listening to me.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I gotta be.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I say that all the time, like you're just listening to me.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I got to be really careful or purposeful, and you're probably going to have three athletic kids.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: It's just the way.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Because of your backgrounds, is your wife into fitness?
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: So what I was going to say is like she works out.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: She works out twice a week, maybe three times a week right now, and it's just part of the routine, and my kids still have a meltdown when she leaves the house, but then they're fine in five minutes and we're playing with trucks and dinosaurs and we're totally fine.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I think it's harder for my wife than it is for the kids.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably, it's just like ah, it's totally normal, it's just mom.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: So, anyway, the kids expect it and they're like are you exercising tonight, mom, make sure you give me your hug before you leave.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: So they're like they anticipate the normal expectation of, uh, exercise being a part of, like you know life.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: And then they ask you know, like, why do you exercise?
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Like why you know, um?
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: But so we, we want to make that a normal thing, normalize it, yeah, and then uh, instill that in their life.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Have you had the sports talk with your wife yet about like what sports?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: the kids are going to play, or Totally.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: So my wife, um, was an athlete.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: She played D1 soccer, university of Miami, walk on, which is amazing.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: And then she's five, eight, okay, she was five, nine, now she's five, eight.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Well, how tall, you're tall.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I'm six, five, yeah.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: So our daughter is like, she's up there in this, you know height level.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: And then, uh, my son is midway right now, but a little taller than maybe midway.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: And then our third kid, who knows, you know, but, um, yeah, she, she, uh, totally, you know, works out a ton.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: She's an athlete back to the day.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I think our philosophy is what we've delved into and hearing advice and wisdom from other wise individuals and our own reflections, like, we want to, um, just encourage and support what they want to do and then, when they're ready, for sure we'll cry and we'll pour in advice and and and, uh, motivation and stuff like that, yeah, but, um, whatever they're into, like, uh, we want to have them be exposed to a lot of different things and try some stuff and, um, not quit if they commit to it, right.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: And then the thing we heard, with that too is in, like, from someone we follow and read their stuff.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: It's like if quit on a good day.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you want to quit right now, it sucks, totally understandable.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Let's continue, cause we've made a commitment.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: And then let's see, like, when you're having a really great week, at the end of that week and it was amazing If you still want to quit, then we'll, at the end of the season, we'll stop.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know like we'll finish our commitment and then we'll stop and we'll do it again.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're at that right now with our daughter.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's only four.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good, amazing.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: She just came out one day when one night before bed, she put on this shirt that had some like stripes on it and her tall socks out of nowhere.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: She was like this is my soccer shirt and these are my soccer socks.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: She had her soccer ball.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: She's like let's play right now.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: And I was like your bedtime's in 20.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Let's play, we'll play right now in the living room.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, and I was man.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: We're kicking balls and like we're running around, and it was amazing.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's cool, this is really sweet.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like we're signing up for soccer, let's get it.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: And her first season was, um, this past spring.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just like little ducklings chasing the ball yeah it's so fun to watch, so yeah
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and then she just started her second season.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Last week, yeah, two weeks ago, nice, she scored a goal, which is amazing, yeah, you know, um.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: And this past week, this past saturday, she played again and she, uh, halfway through did not score a goal.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: She came to the sideline for a water break and she was like, we know, hey, great job, we can tell you're hustling, you know like so proud of how hard you're trying, you know, amazing, you know great work.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: She's like, but I didn't score a goal.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: And I was like I love that, yeah, I love that.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And I was like, well, you know, the best thing we can do is keep trying.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: That's all you can do, you know.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: But keep hustling, keep getting after it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: That's so cool.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: And then my son is just rough and tumble, wrestling you know physical.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: He needs me to, like you know, wrestle with him.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: If I'm laying down, he's jumping on me right away.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: My daughter does the same thing, which is cool.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I want that for them.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: But anyway, to answer your question, the sports talk we want them to.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: They seem to be naturally interested in it.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I think we're naturally into it, and then we're not going to.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: At least I say this now, but I don't want to force them.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: No, I think that's wise.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: We did the same thing honestly.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Let them gravitate to what they really wanted to do.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: We made suggestions.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: They tried a few other sports, but the last one knew from the beginning she's like I'm not doing anything else other than volleyball, had no interest in any other sports and good athletically, but just gravitated towards volleyball yeah.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I think one other thing that was instilled in my family growing up was music.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: My dad is really good at the piano and my sister's really good.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Naturally, my brother was naturally really good and I wasn't very naturally good, yeah, and I think a lot of it was the way I was taught and I want to reflect on that as in, like I, I recently recently being, um, well, eight years ago, I was tired of sucking and I wanted to be be good at that, because I enjoy playing, I enjoy making music, it's fun, you know, it's cool, it sounds good and it makes me feel good.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: So I was like man, I'm going to reteach myself.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: So I bought a keyboard from this kid it was a boy scout, but it was a garage and I just bought it from him and negotiated him down.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: He worked, you know, and then, uh, I just bought these adult beginner books and then just started, you know, had to relearn it's.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: It was hard, you know.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Are you better?
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Now I'm better, yeah, I bought a piano, um, four years ago, right before COVID, which actually worked out, timing wise, nice, yeah.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: And then, um, which encouraged me to practice more, cause it's a good sounding piano.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: It's not a special by any means, but it's a.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: It's a real one, you know, it's legit.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Um, and now my kids will just gravitate towards that too now, and they just like play, so it's like normalizing it also, you know.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: So, anyway, that's something I want to instill in my kids too is like playing the piano I think it's, from what I've heard, the mother of all instruments and it's great for hand-eye coordination and all the mind stimulation and coordination involved with all the stuff, and it's only going to make them.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: It's's a skill stack.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but so that's something else we would instill in our kids.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Nice yeah.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: So at some point we'll see and see if they gravitate towards it Right.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm always like man growing up at least, I was resisting it and I didn't like it because I was like I'd be rather outside playing basketball or playing manhunt or, like you know, kicking a ball outside or something.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I just didn't see the value.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Like I'm a nerd, Right, you know what I mean.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: But if it was framed to me as in, like yo, this is going to be a skill that is going to set you apart and outperform your colleagues, let's say your friends, and it's going to layer in a skill stack that's going to make you just, um, you know, be a better competitor and performer in life and skill stack and then taught differently with that frame, I think I would have been more into it for sure.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: So anyway, reflecting on that, I'm like I'm going to try to be a chameleon with my kids and frame it in a way that they're going to gravitate towards it Versus, like it's not my dream, dad, it's yours and it's like, well, it's going to be better for your life.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I is like it's not my dream, dad, it's yours and it's like, well, it's gonna be better for your life, right, yeah, I want to avoid that for sure.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, yeah, Did you have any of that stuff?
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: No, we took the approach you did.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: We really let them.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: We had a piano in the house.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Did you play?
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: No, no, but my wife at the time did and she was raised on it and she could.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Elvis started to play a little bit, but I play drums and I had a separate garage shed unit where I'd go whack on the drums and of course they like that more because it's more exciting than the piano.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Totally Uh, but they uh, I don't none of them really play any instruments.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: They listen to music, they love music.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: They were exposed to a lot of different types of music but, um, yeah, I just think it's good to let kids be kids and gravitate to where they want to go rather than shoving them.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: We've found that worked at least best for our three.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I, uh, I love that.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I, um, I want to take that for sure.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: And then it's interesting with some of the youth athletes that we work with here that are very motivated.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Of course they wouldn't be here unless they're motivated, right Cause we don't, we're out of pocket.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: If you're here to see us, it's like you're trying to get better, you want to improve.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: So a lot of youth athletes that come see us, their parents, are obviously very zealous, in a good way, and also sometimes a little different direction.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm always kind of observing.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be a helicopter, but I want to improve them, I want my kids to be.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: So I'm always trying to pick that up and pick different styles and little pearls that I can take, because this definitely can be a paralysis for kids.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like yeah, for sure.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: And I want them to be kids, like you said.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I think you have a cool setup.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: So if I were a kid like, I'd bring my kids into something like that and they, right away with they thought it was play time, yeah, so when my kids come over, oh yeah, oh man, they're always throwing the balls and yeah, yeah, trying to pick stuff up, run the treadmill, play the bands.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, just don't drop on your foot you know, we're helping them, but like, yeah, like get after it totally, yeah, sure, um, anyway, so, uh.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: So, with all that being said, we talked about nutrition, we talked about fitness and stuff like that getting people better.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: What are some of the most common questions that people when they approach right?
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, usually.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: So when people are coming in for membership, the questions are you know, does this work, is it?
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: You know it's mainly fear-based questions, which are okay because it's common, it's a very high.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: You know there's a lot of stress into making a choice about joining a gym, especially something like ours, because they see what it looks like, they see the action-oriented ads that we have and they understand it from friends and although it appears hard from the outside, it's always relative to the work that you're going to put into it.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: So, um, you know I'm I recently I can only share an experience I went back to after years of not wrestling.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I went back on Randall's urging to try jujitsu.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: He's like, just give it a try, just give it a try.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: So and he's been bugging me for two years about it.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: So I finally went and did it and I was like, oh my God, why did I miss this so much?
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: But even the first day back in, just humbling yourself and going I don't know anything about this sport and learning the basic techniques and then actually getting on the mat and practicing it's, you know it produces anxiety.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I'm always anxious when I go to a new facility, not a Hue location, but if I'm traveling and I want to find a workout similar to ours, I have to go to a CrossFit.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: And it's always, especially being old, you know, at 63, you walk in.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: People are like, have you done this before?
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, yeah, I have, but I'm not that good, you know.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Are you familiar with exercise?
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Exactly, this is a barbell Right.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I'm familiar.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: So we at Hue and this is where I credit not only our team at HQ, the corporate team, but the franchise owners, where they do an excellent job of really alleviating and informing the customer and getting rid of the fear.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: So everything is all set up to where they're like hey, I'll show you what this is.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: It's all numbered, like the barbells have a number, the plates have a number associated with them.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: You add this on.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: It gets to this, showing them, trying to alleviate those fears.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: But, to answer your question, the common questions are will this help me lose weight?
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: You know it's too hard.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I think I need to go do something first before I come in.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, um, there's always some sort of fear that you have to help them overcome and it really is a lot of common sense.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: But, um, we stress more on the fun side of it all.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: You're going to feel really great when you're done with this and, of course, we modify everything.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: So when you come in, you're not going to be doing full on rope climbs unless you're proficient enough to do it, but we scale everything from its beginning level and show them so that we alleviate much of that anxiety.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: But anxiety is a good thing.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: It's healthy to have a skepticism about what you're going to approach Right Totally.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I mean I imagine, because imagine like somebody, a female especially, walking in and then seeing there's loud music, there's a lot of people doing power cleans and it's noisy with the weights.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: It looks intimidating.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: It does and it's chaotic.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: So think of a class size of 25 people.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: And this person is thinking I'm just going into like a normal gym, so I'll have this one-on-one, which they do, but they go oh my God, I got to jump into that.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: So, and we also know historically that it takes about nine months for a customer to really pull the trigger.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: They've been thinking about it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: We've had some people openly admit they pulled in the parking lot, saw the crowds going in, saw the crowds coming out and were like I don't know if I want to go do this, it's not for me?
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, that makes total sense.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I know for some similar conversations that I've had I was like how is this going to work for me?
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Is this going to solve my problem?
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Well, we're very confident we wouldn't be where we're at if we weren't solving people's problems, like consistently getting results.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: People want Right.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: So it's not our end Then, isn't it?
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: It's usually from what I've exposed with some people or helped bring to light.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: It seems like it's a self um accountability for sure, concern, yeah as in, like I don't know if I can stick to it, correct, so well, that's what we're here for, right, we're here for support and we're going to hold your hand.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: You nailed it.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: It's so my approach and I think all I think you would have to agree with this.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Exercise to you is like bathing or brushing your teeth.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: It's something that you do daily.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: It's become habitual since you were a kid.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: You feel comfortable, you feel good when you had a hard day work, you go shower, brush your teeth, you're ready for bed.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Exercise to me is the same approach.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: It's how do you establish building that habit, because many parents didn't do that with kids as they were growing up.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: So it's how do I take care of my body?
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: You know this machine.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: That's the best way to do it, even if it's the simplest form of doing jumping jacks every morning when you get out of bed.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: You want to establish that routine, so we provide that mechanism for the average person.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah totally yeah.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: So, with that being said, what message would you want to convey to somebody who's at month eight of their considerations of coming into joining and they're almost past the cusp of like getting enough courage to come in and be like, okay, great question.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I would tell them don't hesitate.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Your first class is always free.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Come in at any one of the locations.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: The owners, the managers, are so good.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: They're going to within a five minute conversation with you.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: They're going to know what to do in terms of how to scale your workout for you to make it worthwhile.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: And it really is that simple.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, you could be, you know, an extremely overweight person.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Still.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Come in and do the stuff.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: You could be, you know, an extremely overweight person.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Still.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Come in and do the stuff.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: You could be the most fit guy in the world.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Your fitness level doesn't preclude you from coming into a location.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: It's, it's the mindset of hey, I want to make this part of my life, and when you're ready for that, we're there for you.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: The uh, like being fit, like this is oh, this, this is.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: This gym is only for super fit people.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's totally false.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: We hear it all the time.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: It's that's so.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: It's where you come to get fit yeah, exactly.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Um, with that being said, like on a super rare occasion I think this has happened in the past and I'm just picturing myself with other people's shoes where imagine if a super fit person at the gym right is exercising and somebody who's not super fit wants to get better and get fit and they're overweight, they're probably self-conscious, they're nervous and intimidated.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: And if they were to approach somebody who's very fit and be like hey, my name is John, like I'm not really sure what to do.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Can you like what?
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Show me this.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I'm very, very confident the very fit person would probably be like oh my gosh, totally.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Let me show you that.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like super excited for you asking me this, like I can't wait to show you, versus the hypothetical perceived thought of like um, you don't belong here, what are you doing?
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Don't bother me, ask me questions.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, never, that would never happen, never, and you nailed it Really.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: People who are.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: It would be like you going to Elon Musk and saying how did you really become a billionaire?
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: He's going to want to tell you everything because he knows you're coming with a genuine heart, asking for real advice and something that he's an expert at.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: So it's the same approach.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: If I come to you, like, before we even started the podcast, I asked you hey, I got this jacked up back and you started to go oh, what?
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: You were asking me questions specifically.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I tried to explain it as best as I could and you were like oh, here are some of the remedies that we offer.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: So I think it's because you're extremely knowledgeable about what you do.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: We take the same approach and you're right.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: The customer's perspective is they're anxious, apprehensive, they're thinking the expert guy doesn't want to share, but he wants to share as much as possible.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like nerds out on it.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: They're nerd out on that stuff.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: So, please ask those questions.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I'm very, very confident anybody in that situation would be excited.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: They would light up immediately.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: But I would tell you everything.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: This is amazing.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the club.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: No, but you're back.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I was like I wanted to.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I wanted to talk more.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I just didn't have time for the podcast.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I wish I could told you more stuff.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: That's where I'm like yeah, more.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, shoot, we've got a podcast.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: That's awesome, okay.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Last question as a busy professional right, your business owner, your father, right, growing the company and you have a lot of stuff going on how do you navigate your own schedule to fit in your workouts?
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Because I think I hear a lot is like I don't have time.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I'm busy, yeah, I don't have time to work out.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: It is habitual for me.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: So I'm up every morning 4 am just out of habit over years of having to open the gym early and running through that.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: But I usually get up, do a little bit of prayer, meditation, check my emails and then my day really starts.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: And that's where I do something at home, whether it's walking or whether riding a bike or doing now, since my back issue, having a little bit of yoga stretches.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: But I try to get to the gym every day if I can, at least five days a week, and on the weekends I'm always active anyway.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: So if I'm not out bike riding, I will run.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I live literally across, probably 400 meters from a park that has a pull-up bar and all that kind of stuff, so I'll go over there and do some pull-ups, do some toes to bar, do burpees, sit-ups, push-ups, run around the park, come back, do box jumps and then repeat that cycle.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: So I don't view it as anything negative or a detriment.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Like how do I find time?
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I prioritize the time and I know that sounds crazy to a lot of people because they're like well, I don't know how you do it, but it's always short, it's 15 to 20 minute workouts and I think anybody uh who struggles to find that time in their day, we could easily help them find time in their day for that whether they're doing it at home or whatever.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I totally agree with that.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's the like if somebody I heard from somebody a mentor, they're like nobody's really busy.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: We just prioritize.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's a priority right?
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: As in like, uh no, I'm not going to do that because I'm going to do this.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Instead, they just find more valid perceived value whenever they're choosing over something else.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Um, so it sounds like you're saying you had to convince yourself that the priority is some kind of physical fitness and, with that being said, if it is a high priority, you'll fit it in at some point in the day and then just purposefully fitting it in the day that makes the most sense for you, right, yeah, and I find I think better.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: So I don't really do it for the physical benefits, although that's a benefit byproduct.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I do it because I'm so ADHD.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: As soon as I do it I'm like, oh okay, man, I feel way better and I I think better throughout the day.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: I think I function better.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I know I function better throughout the day, so it works for me.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Same I, I, um I was just talking to somebody recently about that of, like, I have to prioritize my workouts.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I want to, I feel better and at the end of the day, um well, I have my great brainstorming sessions.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: You know, when I work out.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I'm always the best ideas come when I'm working out or in the shower and I'm always like where's my phone?
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I got to write this thing down, so I don't forget, yeah, um, and then also stress relief, you know but are you a morning workout guy?
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: No, morning, before lunch, okay, like after this, I want to bang out a workout, because after I eat lunch I'm usually a little groggy, you know, and uh, and my sharp high mental focus time is usually first thing in the morning.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, same.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: I wake up and I'm usually like a lot of ideas, listen to a podcast on my drive, and then everything's like I'm ready to go, and then I'll see patients and then, uh, then I'll knock out a workout before lunch, yeah, and then after lunch I'll bang out business like administrative stuff, um, but the um, yeah, the priority, you know it's just prioritizing.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: And then, um, eventually you catch momentum.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, um, I, that's something else that I've struggled with, that I know a lot of people have of.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Like, well, I missed my workout this week, like I didn't work out this week, but now I was lost Might as well.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Just kick this week.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me eat a bunch of pizza.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just crush some beer.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all over.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: You know I'm too far away at this point.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know it's easy, so.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: So it's, a lot of people do that.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: It's the same choice, uh, that you can make to apply it to a routine.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: So it's the same amount of energy regardless.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: The energy to not expend is the same amount of energy to expend.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I'd rather just make sense, move it in a positive direction.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say man, I hear that that's so.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: It makes so much sense.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Similar note with that, like the thing that I've been procrastinating on.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: The time that I've been procrastinating I would have been done with the thing.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I'm still ruminating over it.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: It's looming Right.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: You know I hate that.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: It's the worst.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: It's the worst, yeah.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: And it's the same amount of energy you're spending thinking of procrastinating, so I'd rather just put it into action and then go.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, accomplish that.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Done off the box.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: That's awesome, Okay, Next last thing we'll wrap it up with this.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: What's the hardest thing you've ever done?
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Well, can I answer it this way?
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Probably the hardest and most rewarding thing.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Hardest thing, I think, is raising kids and trusting that you're doing it the right way or the best way that you could conceivably have done and will do uh, but also the most rewarding.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: So, in my experience, like even opening a business, as chaotic as all that stuff is, it's far easier than corralling your in your case, two kids and the third one on the way going out in public and trying to teach them how to behave and not, you know, be crazy in front of the restaurant people, but just letting them do their own thing and knowing that they're going to get into situations that, no matter how much you forewarn them about, they're going to do anyway.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: And then looking back on your life and reflecting going, going, oh my God.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I did the same thing and my parents were extremely loving and very, you know, giving a lot of leeway, but um, but always taught us to make the right choices and led by example very well.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: So that, to me, has probably been the hardest, most challenging thing, but by far the most rewarding.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I totally agree with all that, I believe you, you know I believe you, at what ages were the kids like?
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: I imagine like teenage years, or is it like when they're 10 to 12 years old, doing things like I did?
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: The same thing I took before, warned you, but.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably teenage years and you know, uh can bring you great sorrow or great joy.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: And sometimes their mistakes are like oh man, I can't believe they did that, you know.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: But we've all done it.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: And so I think good parenting says let them go through this and always be there, you know, at their side and say okay, time to move on.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Let's move in the right direction.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just mentally preparing myself to get ready for that.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll happen.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, Awesome.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, then what's the hardest physical thing you've ever done?
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Murph.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, the workout Murph a mile run, 100 pull-ups, 200 push-ups, 300 air squats, followed by a mile run with a weight vest on, it's just if pushups, 300 air squats, followed by a mile run with a weight vest on, it's just if you do it as prescribed.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Uh, mentally it's challenging and so if you can get through that mental barrier of like I'm just biting off chunks at a time, two pushups here, you know.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Three, five air squats there, you know, just working through it.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: But I think those hero workouts are probably any named workout after a military service person.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: They're very challenging to do, but Murph is a probably one of the hardest physical things I've done in a short period of time.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally yeah.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I've never done.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I've only done modified Murphs.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I've never done like the prescribed Murph.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: That's not something I have even tried.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but just modified versions.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: And it's that modified version is hard too, you know.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: And wrestling practice, wrestling practice, yeah, yeah, those guys are always, I think you know, coming from a wrestler's background, I'm sure, and I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I think it's probably the toughest physical sport to train for to train for that's my opinion, I don't disagree.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, um, I don't disagree, that that's.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they, uh, because they outworked the football team from a like hard work, yeah, consistently standpoint in my opinion that I observed.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, because football practice like you can still, you know, between set, between plays and you're waiting for the other team, you know, like the second string, first string, the interchanging and stuff.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Um, I don't disagree with that.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: I never wrestled, but just observing, and I think, the mindset.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: It really produces a lot of perseverance, a lot of dedication.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: I think that's one of the benefits of it, for sure.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome man.
• 56:01
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• 56:02
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• 56:03
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• 56:12
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• 56:14
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• 56:14
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• 56:35
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• 56:37
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• 56:40
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