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Steve Price | 7 February · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Friday Night's Steve Price with you at the
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  Speaker 2: end of what you have to say, has been a
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  Speaker 2: remarkable week in world politics. Donald Trump up ends the
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  Speaker 2: normal way of doing things with his Gaza plan and
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  Speaker 2: the end of transgender sport in the US. Interesting challenge
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  Speaker 2: I reckon here for Peter Dutton. How Trump like should
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  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton be in the lead up to our own
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  Speaker 2: federal election that needs to be held by May. Now
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  Speaker 2: coming up on the program tonight. Talking of elections, there
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  Speaker 2: are two by elections for the Victorian state seats to
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  Speaker 2: be held this weekend and probably a state pole in
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  Speaker 2: wa before the federal poll this year. What sort of
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  Speaker 2: messages will those state voters send to Canberra. Deputy State
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Leader Sam Groth will join me up next. Also,
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  Speaker 2: law and order will be a big issue in voters'
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  Speaker 2: minds when they vote this weekend. There's even been a
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  Speaker 2: couple of incidents today that will absolutely shock you, and
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  Speaker 2: it comes as a national call for a better deal
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  Speaker 2: for our police gets urgent. There are an incredible seven
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  Speaker 2: thousand police jobs vacant. We'll talk to the police union
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  Speaker 2: about that. Plus just how realistic is the federal government's
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  Speaker 2: aim for eighty two percent renewable energy by twenty thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Most sensible people think it's a pipe dream, a very
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  Speaker 2: expensive pipe dream, by the way, with property billionaire Harry
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  Speaker 2: Triggerboff arguing it'll be.
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  Speaker 3: Five to ten years late.
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  Speaker 2: More on that to come, but first up, the carpet
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  Speaker 2: bombing of regional Australia with massive wind turbines and hectares
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  Speaker 2: of farmland covered with solar panels, plus huge transmission lines
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  Speaker 2: being plowed through productive farmland, state forests and national parks
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  Speaker 2: is causing huge interest in regional Australia now. Recently, Peter
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  Speaker 2: Credit on this program returned to her hometown of Witcherproof
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  Speaker 2: in Victoria's Malley Country and aired the fears of locals
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  Speaker 2: on renewable energy comempanies backed by state and federal labor
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  Speaker 2: governments bullying them and there is no other word for it,
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  Speaker 2: bullying them to host transmission lines on their properties and
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  Speaker 2: try to seduce them to host turbines and solar panels. Now,
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  Speaker 2: city living Australians largely have zero knowledge of what's actually
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  Speaker 2: happening out in the bush in these communities. I've talked
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  Speaker 2: about it before and protest groups are growing around the
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  Speaker 2: country and even include coastal communities on New South Wales coastline.
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  Speaker 2: They're protesting about offshore wind turbines. Now, this is all
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  Speaker 2: being driven by a renewable zealot in the Minister Chris Bowen,
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  Speaker 2: who for some reason has been able to convince people
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  Speaker 2: like the Prime Minister that Australia must rewire the entire
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  Speaker 2: nation to meet a set of climate targets signed up
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  Speaker 2: to in Paris. Now, as I've said before, this is
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  Speaker 2: complete madness. Australia is rich in gas and coal and
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  Speaker 2: we should have some of the world's cheapest energy, but
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  Speaker 2: instead power prices continued go up. Just yesterday, the boss
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  Speaker 2: of mining giant Woodside Energy, Meg O'Neil, at a speech
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  Speaker 2: in Melbourne, warned that Victoria was about to have a
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  Speaker 2: winter gas shortfall. After ten years of demonizing gas.
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  Speaker 4: Our ability to come to the rescue on those cold
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  Speaker 4: days in winter or the hot days when people need
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  Speaker 4: the ac is is becoming reduced year and year. So look,
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  Speaker 4: I'm very worried about Victoria.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 2: The fools that run energy policy in that state have
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  Speaker 2: even legislated no new homes be allowed to connect to
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  Speaker 2: stovetops or water heaters, and to put gas into their
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  Speaker 2: properties in future. And if your hot water system breaks down,
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  Speaker 2: guess what You're going to be forced to replace it
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  Speaker 2: with an electric one at your cost. Now is that
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  Speaker 2: because they too believe Victoria is about to run out
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  Speaker 2: of gas? No, it's part of their blind, obsessive hate
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  Speaker 2: of fossil fuels.
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  Speaker 3: Like coal and gas.
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  Speaker 2: Now, as O'Neil pointed out, and this is a direct quote,
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  Speaker 2: ideology has stood in the way of sensible energy investment.
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  Speaker 2: She says her company is wary of investing in that
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  Speaker 2: state because of political skepticism. And guess what it seems
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  Speaker 2: Victoria sits on top of huge reserves of natural gas
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  Speaker 2: but is close to being forced. You won't believe this
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  Speaker 2: to import LNG at a massive cost, now, how dumb
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  Speaker 2: is that? And meanwhile, out in the real world, guess
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  Speaker 2: what's happening with those wind turbines forced on regional Australia. Well,
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  Speaker 2: they not only falling over, they are shedding dangerous shards
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  Speaker 2: of metal. Now, last weekend, on Sunday, there was a
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  Speaker 2: series of thunderstorms across western Victoria and through the city
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  Speaker 2: they were allowed. There was lots of lightning and some
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  Speaker 2: strong winds, but nothing really out of the ordinary. They're
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  Speaker 2: on Tuesday, at a renewable wind farm called bury Bank,
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  Speaker 2: north of the town of Colak, a one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: twelve meter high turbine fell over.
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  Speaker 3: It collapsed.
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  Speaker 2: Now this is caused by the other twenty five wind
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  Speaker 2: towers to then be turned off. Now I checked out
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  Speaker 2: this place called bury Bank. Don't you love it? They
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  Speaker 2: always give these joints fairy tale like names. Bury Bank
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  Speaker 2: I checked out and I was surprised to learn it
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  Speaker 2: sits on five thousand hectares of farmland, has been there
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  Speaker 2: since only twenty twenty two, and already these things are
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  Speaker 2: falling over. And just recently at the nearby Golden Planes
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  Speaker 2: wind farm, a worker tragically was killed when a blade
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  Speaker 2: crushed him to death. Now we'll talk with the local member,
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  Speaker 2: Richard ridden Who later, who has called on the premier
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  Speaker 2: to conduct a statewide audit of as many of these
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  Speaker 2: towers as possible and where they're located. Now, this is
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  Speaker 2: not a problem confined to Victoria. It's a nationwide scandal.
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  Speaker 2: And all we get from the Albanese government is scare
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  Speaker 2: campaigns about nuclear energy. All this gives voters at the
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  Speaker 2: federal election whenever. That might be a very clear choice
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  Speaker 2: between using the bountiful resources we have for cheap and
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  Speaker 2: most importantly reliable energy or the dangerous green dream of
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  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen. Now, as I mentioned, Victoria in two seats
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  Speaker 2: that could not be more different. Victorians go to the poles.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to happen this weekend. I believe it will
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  Speaker 2: be not just be a result decided on local issues,
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  Speaker 2: but I think this pole and these poles might now
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  Speaker 2: give us some idea of just how despised the Andrews
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  Speaker 2: just into allan government has become, and how abandoned people
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  Speaker 2: of a place like Wheerriby especially feel after it being
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  Speaker 2: a safe labor seat forever. The other seat in the
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  Speaker 2: inner southeast seat of Pran that takes in Chapel Street.
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  Speaker 2: Now Chapel Street was once a very popular shopping meccha,
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  Speaker 2: but as I described in a column last weekend, it's
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  Speaker 2: now close to becoming a violent ghetto. The seat is
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  Speaker 2: held by the Greens. No surprise. Joining me now is
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  Speaker 2: Victorian Deputy Opposition leader Sam Groth, who's been in both
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  Speaker 2: of those electorates in recent weeks. Sam am I right,
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  Speaker 2: these two results could be seen as a barometer on
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  Speaker 2: how angry people are about State Labor.
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  Speaker 3: Steve, great to be back with you.
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  Speaker 6: It's been a little while, but absolutely we're seeing two
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  Speaker 6: very different communities in Paran and in Werribee, but very
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  Speaker 6: much the same issues across both of those seats. You
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  Speaker 6: mentioned crime. Cost of living is also a big one.
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  Speaker 6: We're seeing renters in Paran struggling. We're seeing people stuck
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  Speaker 6: probably right now as they try to get home back
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  Speaker 6: to the Werriby electorate getting across the West Gate through
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  Speaker 6: a lack of infrastructure spend from the government there. But
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  Speaker 6: absolutely this is a defining moment both for us as
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  Speaker 6: Liberals and our opportunity to convince people that we are
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  Speaker 6: the alternative government here in Victoria under Brad Batton, but
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  Speaker 6: also on just since Allen and her leadership, which I
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  Speaker 6: believe has since she's taken over from Daniel Andrews, really
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  Speaker 6: not able to define herself as a leader and has
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  Speaker 6: failed across so many of these things that are really
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  Speaker 6: affecting people in those electorates.
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  Speaker 2: Histories against you. I don't think the Victorian Liberals have
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  Speaker 2: won a seat off Labor in a by election since
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  Speaker 2: the ninety forty, so it would be a huge effort.
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  Speaker 2: The seat to Wheerby. I think the margin's about ten percent.
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  Speaker 2: What would be an acceptable swing or do you believe
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  Speaker 2: you can win that seat.
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  Speaker 6: Look, the people in Wherever you will make their decision.
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  Speaker 6: It's a tough ass. As you mentioned nineteen forty eight
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  Speaker 6: the last time we want to buy election off the
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  Speaker 6: Labor Party.
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  Speaker 3: But being out in Whereby, people are looking for change.
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  Speaker 6: You know, there's been about twenty thousand voters up until
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  Speaker 6: last night who've come through prepol.
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  Speaker 3: They're out early.
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  Speaker 6: They've got a bit of a stick for the government.
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  Speaker 6: They're wanting to get rid of them, convincing people that
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  Speaker 6: where the alternative they need to change to.
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  Speaker 3: But look, we want to see a good swing.
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  Speaker 6: We want to see that momentum and I think we
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  Speaker 6: really want to be able to tell the people out
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  Speaker 6: in western Melbourne that we are here to represent them
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  Speaker 6: as well. You know, we've got an opportunity in Whereby
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  Speaker 6: to possibly take that seal abandoned by absolutely. You know,
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  Speaker 6: they've had the treasure in the seat to Whereby. The
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  Speaker 6: treasurer for the last ten years not even lived in
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  Speaker 6: his own didn't live there, but held the checkbook and
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  Speaker 6: then they're complaining about infrastructure spend. I mean, how else
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  Speaker 6: do you need to hold the check book other than
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  Speaker 6: the treasure to actually get things done in your own electorate.
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  Speaker 6: So those people they're looking for a change, look, will
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  Speaker 6: be out there. I'll be out their first thing in
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  Speaker 6: the morning from eight am. But you're hoping we get
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  Speaker 6: the people of western Melbourne turning out in drove to
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  Speaker 6: try and see the end of labor in that seat.
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  Speaker 2: The inner city seat of pren which I live in,
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  Speaker 2: held by the Greens. Yes, my description of Chapel Street,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not exaggerating. The crime in that area is out
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  Speaker 2: of control.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we've seen five buyings, We've seen people running down
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  Speaker 6: the street with machetes. I think people in Peran that
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  Speaker 6: they don't feel safe. It's an endemic across the state.
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  Speaker 6: We know there's low police numbers. We know that bail
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  Speaker 6: is just out of control. We actually tried to introduce
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  Speaker 6: a bill to strength and bail again this week in
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  Speaker 6: Parliament because of the crime crisis we're seeing here in Victoria.
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  Speaker 6: People in Peran, they are mentioning it. They do know
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  Speaker 6: crimes or problem, but cost of living is also huge.
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  Speaker 6: The price of rent rent for those people in Peran
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  Speaker 6: has gone up one hundred dollars on average over the
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  Speaker 6: last fifteen months per week. So they're not the party
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  Speaker 6: they once were. Not that I'm a supporter of them
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  Speaker 6: before or now, of course, but look, people in both
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  Speaker 6: those seats, both in Preans and wherever I think, are
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  Speaker 6: looking for a change. You've also got to remember, just
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  Speaker 6: into Alan didn't even have the courage to run a
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  Speaker 6: candidate in that by election, so she wants to be
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  Speaker 6: the premier fall Victorians. She didn't even run a candidate
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  Speaker 6: in Prayan.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of other issues. I was gobsmack yesterday to
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  Speaker 2: learn that the monitoring of criminals out on bail considered
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  Speaker 2: danger enough to be wearing ankle bracelets was outsourced to
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  Speaker 2: a private company. The company's gone bully up. No one
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  Speaker 2: was told, yeah, we don't know where these criminals are.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, this is the worry Steve for Victorians.
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  Speaker 6: We know at least eight at least eight that were
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  Speaker 6: being monitored by bail Safe are on accounted for it
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  Speaker 6: at this stage. But I think the big question you've
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  Speaker 6: got to ask is, how is a company that is
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  Speaker 6: being run by people who would never pass a fit
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  Speaker 6: and proper person test actually able to monitor monitor other
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  Speaker 6: criminals out on bail in this state.
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  Speaker 3: We've got a bail problem.
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  Speaker 6: We've got to catch and release policy under the current
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  Speaker 6: current government for crime here in Victoria. But then when
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  Speaker 6: they're out on bail, you've actually got other criminals. Who
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  Speaker 6: are the ones monitoring them? We need to know the
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  Speaker 6: is at just eight. Where are the eight? What are
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  Speaker 6: they out for? What are they on bail for? There's
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  Speaker 6: plenty of questions to answer before you go quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Your shadow sports portfolio as well. Former professional great tennis player.
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  Speaker 2: We learned this week Victoria has outbit other states to
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  Speaker 2: stage a US NFL game at the MCG. I know
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  Speaker 2: much how much you love your sport. It's also some
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  Speaker 2: basketball coming. Chris Fins in New south Wald has said
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  Speaker 2: today that he looked at it, but it was too expensive.
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  Speaker 2: Should the Allen government be spending money to bring an
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  Speaker 2: NFL game here given the state of the budget.
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  Speaker 6: I'm a great sports fan, Steve, I love it, but
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  Speaker 6: I think the bigger question is when you've cut twenty
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  Speaker 6: five million dollars from the destination marketing budget in tourism
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  Speaker 6: last year at the last state budget, take care of.
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  Speaker 3: The core business.
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  Speaker 6: Don't try and present the people of Victoria the sugar
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  Speaker 6: hit one off events when you're not taking care of
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  Speaker 6: your core business first. So yes, we want to see
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  Speaker 6: Victoria Melbourne remain the capital of our the capital of
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  Speaker 6: major events, the events capital of Australia. But you've got
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  Speaker 6: to be taken care of your core business now. I
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  Speaker 6: am the shadow Minster of tourism, sport, major events and
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  Speaker 6: all that as well. We want to see these events coming.
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  Speaker 6: We also want to make sure it's not at the
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  Speaker 6: expense of the whole tourism sector, the hospitality, our city businesses,
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  Speaker 6: our hotels. They need the support first, not one off
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  Speaker 6: single day events that the sugar hit that gets the headline.
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  Speaker 6: Give them the proper support they used that would also
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  Speaker 6: be handed you don't worry. There's plenty of things this
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  Speaker 6: government's failing on. I don't think i've enough time.
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  Speaker 3: Steve is sitting there and go we could go.
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  Speaker 6: Through it all, but you know, potholes, crime, the budget,
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  Speaker 6: there is so much.
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  Speaker 2: Sam, great, good to see you, Thanks thanks Seth.
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  Speaker 5: Sam.
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  Speaker 2: Goth will have him back on the program to talk
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  Speaker 2: about some of those problems. Now, talking about crime, let's
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  Speaker 2: head to the nationwide police workforce crisis. Now this is
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  Speaker 2: not much talked about, but I'm told there's an extraordinary
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  Speaker 2: seven thousand unfilled positions around the country and this has
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  Speaker 2: led to police union chiefs. They've not only had to
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  Speaker 2: call for tax and health benefit reforms to improve conditions
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  Speaker 2: for police union leaders have had to travel to Canberra
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  Speaker 2: to meet with Anthony Albanezi and Peter Dutton on Wednesday
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  Speaker 2: this week. I think it was to ensure that both
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  Speaker 2: parties are aware of the issues heading into the election.
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  Speaker 2: Now joining me now is Police Federation of Australia CEO
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  Speaker 2: Scott Weber. Scott, good to talk to you again. How
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  Speaker 2: bad are the shortages?
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  Speaker 7: We're never seen it worse the thin blue lines, the
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  Speaker 7: thinness has ever been. As you highlighted before, Steve, we
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  Speaker 7: had over seven thousand shortages. So there's a police station
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  Speaker 7: across every part of the country that's missing officers that
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  Speaker 7: they're not responding to calls from.
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  Speaker 5: The community, which is putting the community at safety and
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  Speaker 5: also the officers at safety.
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  Speaker 7: We have huge issues in regards to responding to jobs
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  Speaker 7: in timely manners and also there's even individual areas and
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  Speaker 7: regions that aren't doing RBT, that aren't attending noise complaints,
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  Speaker 7: that aren't doing certain jobs and referring them back mental
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  Speaker 7: health calls. All these issues are coming to a loggerhead.
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  Speaker 7: And that's why, as you've highlighted, Steve, we've had police
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  Speaker 7: unions from around the country all attend federal government to
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  Speaker 7: see the Prime Ministers, see the leader of the Opposition,
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  Speaker 7: to highlight our plight because if we don't fix it now,
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  Speaker 7: we are not and have a safe Australia.
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  Speaker 2: You're in that that's an extraordinary comment that we're not
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  Speaker 2: going to have a safe Australia. I mean, the thing
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  Speaker 2: that Australians play their taxes for is to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that we do have a functioning police service that looks
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  Speaker 2: after us. You're in wa is one state worse than
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  Speaker 2: the other or are they all in trouble?
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  Speaker 5: We're all in trouble.
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  Speaker 7: Look, you know, Victorian, you just ASSEM highlighted before, like
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  Speaker 7: you have a crime epidemic, but that's occurring in every
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  Speaker 7: single state for the first time in decades. Crime's going
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  Speaker 7: up across nearly every performance indicator for violent crime, large
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  Speaker 7: property crime, we've got cyber crime, domestic violence.
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  Speaker 5: Some of our police stations.
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  Speaker 7: Seventy percent of their work is domestic violence alone, and
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  Speaker 7: they're critical.
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  Speaker 5: Jobs that we have to attend to.
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  Speaker 7: But in saying that, we don't have the troops to
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  Speaker 7: actually go out there and deal with all the jobs.
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  Speaker 7: But we're being reactive. So we're not actually going out
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  Speaker 7: there and being proactive. You just highlighted the bail debarcle
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  Speaker 7: down there. We're not checking those bail straighta way.
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  Speaker 5: We're dealing with the.
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  Speaker 7: Problem after it's after it's occurred. And what policing should
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  Speaker 7: be is preventative. And the other big issue for us
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  Speaker 7: too federally is occurring is that terrorism has gone to probable.
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  Speaker 7: We want police officers to actually be out there in
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  Speaker 7: the community to detect the problems before they start to
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  Speaker 7: be at that critical infrastructure, to deal with those issues
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  Speaker 7: straight away, and not to deal with them after someone's
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  Speaker 7: been injured or killed.
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  Speaker 2: Scott what always gets me to in expensive places like Sydney,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I have to ask you how to poorly
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  Speaker 2: paid police officers, and I think it's a national disgrace
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  Speaker 2: what we pay the police, particularly the foot police are
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  Speaker 2: out there on patrol. How do they afford to live
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  Speaker 2: anywhere near where they work.
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  Speaker 7: Well, they don't and they travel long distances, so they
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  Speaker 7: work long hours. There's overtime, I mean as I do.
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  Speaker 7: It's highlight it. There's seven thousand police officers missing, so
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  Speaker 7: they're the police officers that are left there picking.
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  Speaker 5: Up that slack.
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  Speaker 7: So they're doing overtime. But on top of that too,
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  Speaker 7: they're traveling two three four hours to work. There's police
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  Speaker 7: officers that live in Queensland, the work in New South
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  Speaker 7: Wales and vice versa, and they're traveling those massive hours
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  Speaker 7: as that tyranny are distance, so they're already tied before
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  Speaker 7: they get there. And the other thing is Steve, if
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  Speaker 7: you do live in your local community, you know your
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  Speaker 7: local sources, you're more trusted. You're going down to the
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  Speaker 7: local shopping center, you're shopping at the local butcher, you're
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  Speaker 7: going to the local pub.
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  Speaker 5: You get more information.
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  Speaker 7: You actually know what's happening in the community even more
• 16:25
  Speaker 7: and therefore you can actually deal with crime better. So
• 16:27
  Speaker 7: that's why we're calling upon salary sacrificing of mortgages and
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: we're not actually for something new that the nurses have it,
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: ambulance officers have it, and our claims are what if
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: it's good enough for those first responders. It's good enough
• 16:39
  Speaker 7: for police and we need it straight away. But also
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: calling upon a blue card exactly like the military have,
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: so we can get police officers back to work if
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: they are injured. And the other thing is some retirement
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: with dignity accessing our super a little bit earlier as well.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton's the next police officer. What sort of hearing
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: did you get from him, Scott.
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: Look, yeah, it always speaks to police and saying with
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: the Prime Minister, they're actually very open.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: They realized that law and order.
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: Is actually a federal issue now it used to be
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: the federal government on both sides, both persuasions will push
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: it back to the states because it is a state responsibility.
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: But when we're talking about taxation, when we're talking about
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: our critical loss of numbers, we're talking about health and
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: well being and police officers, this is actually a federal issue.
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: They can deal with those taxation issues, they can deal
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: with superinnuation, and they can definitely deal with the blue card.
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: Both the leader of the Opposition and the Prime Minister
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: gave us a generous amount of time. We actually had
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: decent chats and we walked away there with a good
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: optimism that they realize that LAWA in order is about
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: to break. We're at the edge of the cliff and
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: they need to assist. They need to help out the States.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck with it, Scott. Thanks for joining us.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I hope you can get some movement on that big,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: big problem. That's Scott there after the break. Fears Victoria's
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: anti vilification law reform could actually threaten free speech. Plus
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's bond shell plan to redevelop Gaza faces a
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: backlash from global leaders. Will it actually go ahead? Welcome
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: back to Sleeprice with you on this Friday Night Now.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Victorian Premier Siner Alan claims that her government's proposed changes
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: to anti vilification laws will quote help restore social cohesion
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: following what we know, of course, of the shocking rise
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: of anti semitism right across the state. It's happening everywhere,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: but it's been particularly bad in New South Wales and Victoria.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: But critics have raised concerns that the reforms could actually
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: end up threatening free speech, with the Institute of Public
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Affairs warning Victoria could become quote the censorship capital of Australia.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Joining me now is research fellow at the IPA Margaret Chambers. Margaret,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: thank you very much for joining us. Explain to me
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: what your research shows about this piece of legislation and
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: what actually alarms you about it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, thank you for having me on the show. Steve.
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: Well, we've looked at these laws and we've found that
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: they are corrosive and pernicious in so far as they'll
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: hand a sword to activists to shut down opinions that
• 19:11
  Speaker 8: they disagree with. Now, these have absolutely been framed in
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: terms of combating anti semitism and restoring social cohesion in
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: our state, but it's really not about that at all.
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: What it is about is controlling opinions, particularly around things
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: like gender and sexuality, and the way that that works
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: in the laws is that it's actually going to be
• 19:31
  Speaker 8: unlawful to say anything that someone could consider to be
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: hateful based on certain protected traits. Now, I'm sure you
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: agree with me, Steve, that hateful is an entirely subjective standard.
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: It means completely different things to different people, and it's
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: an entirely inappropriate standard for legislation. So what that will
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: mean is that activists can use these laws to drag
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: people into the Victorian Equal opportunity and human Rights Commission
• 19:56
  Speaker 8: simply just to shut down their opinions that they disagree with.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So what puzzles me with all of this We
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: already have hate speech laws, national laws and state laws.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: When people then try to toughen them up, you do
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: have to ask the question, why are you're not using
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: the laws we currently have and why do they need
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: to be tougher.
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and I think you've raised a really good point, Steve.
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: We already have laws for all sorts of things like this.
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: We have laws that should prevent ars in, they should
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: prevent racial discrimination, they should be preventing things that we've
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: seen author out communities say in the aftermath of the
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: October seven conflict, and we're not seeing these enforceds. So
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: what I think we should be asking ourselves is why
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: is that? Why are our laws not being enforced? And
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: what we're seeing in camera and what we're seeing in
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: the Victorian State Parliament is that it's taken an election
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: to actually mobilize some action, and it's this desire to
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: be seen to be doing something that's motivating politicians to
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: actually take action. But we've seen, in other words, a
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: total lack of responsibility to cut down on this anti
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: semitism in our communities.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Mar It's not just the Victorian laws. Of course, we're
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: in the middle of a debate about federal changes hate laws.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: These have been backed by both Labor and the Liberal Party,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: but not the cross bench. How concerned are you about
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: these raft of new federal legislation that's been rammed through
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the Parliament.
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: I'm very concerned, and I'm very concerned because our parliament
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: is not being used to debate and scrutinize legislation as
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: it should be. That's the whole purpose of the Senate
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: and the Upper House. It should be used to carefully
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: examine the unintended.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Consequences of laws.
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: But what we saw yesterday in Parliament with the Hate
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: Crimes Bill is that we had an agreement between the
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: Coalition and Labor to ram these laws through. And what
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: we're seeing is that people are deeply concerned about the
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: unintended consequences, particularly on free speech and religious freedom, that
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: these laws will have.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: So what would you like our lawmakers to do? Would
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: you leave the laws we currently have in place and
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: just police them properly instead of inserting all of these
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: new clauses into legislation.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'd like to.
• 22:20
  Speaker 8: See the enforcement of our existing legislation. And what I
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: would actually really love to see in Australia and particularly
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: in my home state of Victoria, is a genuine commitment
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: to freedom of speech and religious freedom. You know, at
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: every turn we've seen the freedoms of Victorians cut down
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: and curtailed by this government. I'm very skeptical that this
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: government really cares about religious freedom and about freedom of speech.
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: But what I want to see is some you know,
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: some actual political so political courage to enforce the laws
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: and take a strong stance against cutting down and anti
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: semitism in our communities.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of people would agree with you, Margaret.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining us to well. Donald
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Trump I mentioned he has stunned the world. I was
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: watching that media conference this week where he talked about Gaza.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: So he's got a.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Plan to take over his words, the Gaza Strip. It's
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: a very small strip of land as we know, redevelop it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Now here's a reminder of that announcement that I think
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: shocked the world.
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: The US will take over the Gaza Strip and we
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: will do a job whether too, we'll own it and
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: and other weapons on the state level the sate, and
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out, create
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: and housing for the people of the area.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Don't know about you, but Israel Prime Minister Benjaminette Yahoo
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: looking at Trump there, I'm not sure he knew that
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: that's what the US President was going to say. So
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: what does this plan actually mean? Let's break it down.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: The director of Strategic Analysis Ralian Michael Schubridge, Michael, is
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: this a typical Donald Trump the deal maker, throwing out
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: there a deal that he knows is never going to
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: be pulled off to get everyone else then engaged in
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: what to do with this problem?
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: Well, Steve, I think that's what it looks like, because
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: it isn't a plan you had that first grab of
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: what he said initially. Overnight he's clarified a couple of things.
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: He said US troops won't be needed, and he's also
• 24:32
  Speaker 10: said that the US isn't going to pay for the rebuilding.
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: So somehow the US is going to own Gaza, but
• 24:40
  Speaker 10: it's not going to pay for the rebuilding, and it's
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: not going.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: To secure it with US troops.
• 24:45
  Speaker 10: I think the big effect of these Trump ideas is
• 24:50
  Speaker 10: to strengthen Israeli Prime Minister Nett Yahu's hand in removing
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: Hamas and giving Israeli continuing big security roll in Gaza
• 25:01
  Speaker 10: whatever happens with the ceasefire.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: So we've seen the horrendous pictures of what's left of
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: part of Gaza, particularly that northern part. It's unlivable. I mean,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: there's no running water there. But the Palestinians and the
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Gazans in particular are very protective of that bit of dirt.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're not going to convince them, are you
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: to just simply pack up and head off to wherever
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: the Jordan or Egypt? Even if Jordan or Egypt would
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: have them.
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: Well, Jordan's already got two million Palestinian refugees out of
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: a total population of eleven million. It's not going to
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: take any more. None of the Arab states are going
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: to take numbers of Palestinian refugees. They don't want that
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: instability in their societies. And we know Australia doesn't want
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: to take large numbers of Palestinians. So there's nowhere for
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: them to go. But the other big thing to remember is, yes,
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: there's a lot of destruction in Gaza, but whole cities
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: were leveled in World War two, Dresden, Tokyo, Nagasaki. The
• 26:06
  Speaker 10: population stayed and rebuilt. That's what the Palestinians want.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: How are they going to afford to do the rebuild
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: and how are we going to judge whether Hamas has
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: actually finally been defeated and run out of there or
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: are they simply going to crawl out of a couple
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: of holes and start doing what they were doing before.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Well, this is.
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: Where a lot of the virtue signaling from people around
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: the world talking about we still want a two state
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: solution but they're doing nothing to help it happen.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Is really exposed by what Trump has said.
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: And nobody is stepping up to say we will take
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: Palestinians while guys is reconstructed, or will help reconstruct it.
• 26:48
  Speaker 10: So we're kind of bogged, and I think the Trump
• 26:51
  Speaker 10: plan mainly just gives mister Netanyahu license and power in
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: the ceasefire negotiations.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: It seems that the ceasefire is holding a lot of
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: people thought that that might not be the case. What's
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: your interpretation of where that's at.
• 27:10
  Speaker 10: I think it's made much more difficult because the Palestinian
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: side of the negotiation is now completely off balance because
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: of mister Trump's intervention. This next stage of the ceasefire,
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: and remember the first six weeks ends in early March,
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: is meant to be about negotiating the Israeli military's withdrawal. Well,
• 27:30
  Speaker 10: President Trump talked about the Israeli military securing Gaza until
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: the reconstruction starts.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Where does it leave net and Yahoo? Does it to
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: what happened in Washington three days ago? Strengthen his hand?
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: As you say, absolutely, it shows he's got the backing
• 27:50
  Speaker 10: of the US President in having the Israeli military have
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: a continuing security role in Gaza. And he's even got
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: the Israeli defenseman saying he's instructed the Israeli military to
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: make plans for voluntary departure of Garzans. So it's already
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: strengthening let Yoho's hand.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Michael Law is a pleasure to catch up, Thank you
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: very much.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: I catch up with you shortly.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: It's Michael Schubridge there now after the break calls for
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: an audit into Victoria's wind farms as serious safety concerns emerge. Plus,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: despite Chris Bowen's boast best efforts, electric vehicle sales in
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Australia continue to plummet. When will labor finally wake up
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: to some reality? Welcome back Friday Nights with Steve Price. Now,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: as I said at the top of the program, we
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: all saw, I think a stark example of what could
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: go wrong with the rush to renewable energy in a
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: country with such volatile weather. I mean, we've always had
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: volatile weather. It's always been hot and wet in Australia.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Last weekend on Sunday and then again early in the week,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Melbourne and surrounds had some fairly unusual thunderstorm with her. Look.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I say unusual because look, having lived in Sydney for
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: a long time, summer storms up there, lightning and thunder
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: a pretty commonplace.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: As a result of these storms west of Melbourne, a
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: giant wind turbine on a wind factory called Burybank. I
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: love how they have all these storybook names for these joints.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: This turbine blades and all ended up on the ground
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: to collapse. The whole thing fell over, the whole operation
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: was shut down. Twenty six of these things on five
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: thousand hectares of land north of Coolak. Local state member
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Victorian Liberal MP Richard Reardon joins me a huge worry.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: That storm wasn't even that violent, was it?
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: No?
• 29:44
  Speaker 11: Not the one through bury Banks Dve. They reckon about
• 29:46
  Speaker 11: sixty kilometer in our winds and you've seen a whole
• 29:50
  Speaker 11: industrial tower, massive tower. We're talking the height of the
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: Rialto building here in Melbourne, which is one of our
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: bigger buildings, as you know, collapsing to the ground. Now
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: many of these tower is now built within ten meters
• 30:01
  Speaker 11: of a road. Imagine that falling on a major road
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: through western Victoria. Imagine that falling across a CFA shed
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: or any number of other structures that could be quite
• 30:13
  Speaker 11: close by.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Twenty six of these things on five thousand hectares. Seems
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I've got a lot of land. It's been shut down,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: but they've only been there three years. This can't be
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: where in tear, can it?
• 30:24
  Speaker 11: It can't be where if it's where and tear within
• 30:27
  Speaker 11: eighteen months of operation. I mean has been built for
• 30:29
  Speaker 11: about that long step, but it's only about eighteen months operation.
• 30:33
  Speaker 11: It's simply not good enough. What we need to know
• 30:36
  Speaker 11: in Western Victoria, and the Allen government's got to say
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: to us, there's two and a half thousand of these
• 30:42
  Speaker 11: huge scale wind turbines throughout Victoria at the moment, and
• 30:46
  Speaker 11: there's literally thousands more to come if we're to get
• 30:50
  Speaker 11: what the federal labor and federal labor at state want,
• 30:53
  Speaker 11: what they want. We had the fire less than twelve
• 30:57
  Speaker 11: months ago.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: A fire.
• 30:58
  Speaker 11: When these things catch, you can't put them out, you know,
• 31:01
  Speaker 11: front page of the papers. We just have to let
• 31:04
  Speaker 11: it burn. Imagine three days. Because they're so high. There's
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: no equipment to get that high. You've got to remember,
• 31:09
  Speaker 11: imagine trying to fight the rialto the rialto from the
• 31:12
  Speaker 11: ground with a hose. Right, it's just not possible. You
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: can't fly above them to put them out. And even
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: if you did so, you've got something that's two hundred
• 31:19
  Speaker 11: meters high in the sky, molten metal flying, fiberglass flying,
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: hot oil flying.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: You know at one hundreds of must be terrified.
• 31:27
  Speaker 11: Well, it's getting to that point. And of course these
• 31:31
  Speaker 11: things are often built in very rugged countrysides, so often
• 31:35
  Speaker 11: in Western Victoria they're on volcanic planes and rocky rises,
• 31:38
  Speaker 11: so you can't just drive trucks up to them anyway.
• 31:40
  Speaker 11: You know, they're often difficult to get to and particularly
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: they're on fire. But now we've got them collapsing as well,
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: two years in the game. Imagine a brand new skyscraper
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: in Melbourne just collapsing after eighteen months.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: I've sent us some pictures. Also, I think you've seen
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: some damage at a solar panel outfit as well.
• 31:56
  Speaker 11: Yes, so, I mean these aren't immune from the wind
• 31:59
  Speaker 11: ere Once again, on the same night, actually, at the
• 32:01
  Speaker 11: same time that the towers collapsed, about forty k's away,
• 32:04
  Speaker 11: a solar farm buckled and bent all over the place.
• 32:07
  Speaker 11: Now we need to know what the standards are. We
• 32:10
  Speaker 11: need to know if communities are at risk when this happens,
• 32:13
  Speaker 11: and when we're going to be, according to Labor, relying
• 32:16
  Speaker 11: one hundred percent on this no other You know, they
• 32:18
  Speaker 11: don't want us to have gas back up, they don't
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: want us to have newgalar, and they don't want us
• 32:21
  Speaker 11: to have coal. They don't want anything else backing up.
• 32:24
  Speaker 11: So what effect are we going to have on our
• 32:27
  Speaker 11: energy supply when these big installations have to be shut
• 32:30
  Speaker 11: down for literally weeks, if not months.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: You've called for an ordered the government's not going to
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 32:35
  Speaker 11: Well, they're saying they're not going to They don't like accountability,
• 32:38
  Speaker 11: as you know.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: Here Steve here in Victoria.
• 32:42
  Speaker 11: We don't know.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: What are your locals telling you about the rest of
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: these things?
• 32:45
  Speaker 11: Well, my locals want to know. Is that wind turbine
• 32:49
  Speaker 11: they're safe? Is this a structural design floor that could
• 32:52
  Speaker 11: be endemic amongst many many other towers, or is it
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: human era just on that tower. Keeping in mind the
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: ferris wheel here in Melbourne was shut down in it
• 33:00
  Speaker 11: was carrying people because they put the wrong bolts in.
• 33:03
  Speaker 11: Have we got the wrong bolts on these wind turbines?
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: We don't know.
• 33:06
  Speaker 11: This needs to be made public. We need to understand
• 33:09
  Speaker 11: why it's collapsed.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Plus you've got the fire risk.
• 33:11
  Speaker 11: Plus the fire risk, and the fire risk quite frankly
• 33:14
  Speaker 11: huge is huge.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I mean the Western I think we're fourteen news on
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: from Black Saturday.
• 33:18
  Speaker 11: Correct, and the Western Victorian planes are the most fire
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: prone in the world and we are covering them in
• 33:23
  Speaker 11: thousands of potential Catherine wheels two hundred meters into the
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: sky with no plan of how to put them out
• 33:30
  Speaker 11: because we're not we have not mandated fire suppression in
• 33:34
  Speaker 11: the NASA, which is the cab at the top of
• 33:36
  Speaker 11: the wind fart.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Frightening thing is we're going to get more of them, Richard,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: thanks for coming in, appreciate it very thanks to that.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Stuff is just absolutely frightening. Now it seems a lot
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: of sticking with the green agenda and electricity, this agenda
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: for labor, federal labour's unraveling. Consumer confidence and this doesn't
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: surprise me. In electric vehicles is continuing to collapse. Just
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: three eight hundred and thirty two evs was sold in
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: the Australia in January, a share of just four point
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: four percent of all cars sold. Tesla saw the most
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: significant drop in sales. It fell Tesla sales collapsed by
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: thirty three percent. Break this down. We're joined by Car
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Expert founder Paul Merritt. Great to catch up with you again, Paul.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Have people given up on evs or is it too
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: early to make that call?
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Look, it is kind of looking that way.
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: And EV's, you've got to remember, have some of the
• 34:27
  Speaker 12: most generous incentives of any vehicle you can buy on
• 34:30
  Speaker 12: the road.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: So and they don't pay any fuel excise.
• 34:33
  Speaker 12: I mean you could virtually drive it for free and
• 34:35
  Speaker 12: people still don't want them, so I think that is
• 34:37
  Speaker 12: probably the most telling sign yet.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Can we put the Tesla sales collapse down to the
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: fact that we're about to be flooded or are already
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: being flooded by dozens of Chinese made electric vehicles that
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: a are cheaper and B look better than Tesla's.
• 34:55
  Speaker 12: Yeah, but Tesla really is struggling at the moment with pricing.
• 34:58
  Speaker 12: There are so many Chinese vehicles here in Australia, so
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: many coming. A lot of people are trying to nail
• 35:03
  Speaker 12: it on Mask as well in his relationship with Trump,
• 35:06
  Speaker 12: but given that he won the popular vote over there,
• 35:09
  Speaker 12: I don't know that that has anything to do with it.
• 35:11
  Speaker 12: I think people's confidence in electric cars just isn't strong
• 35:14
  Speaker 12: enough yet here in Australia.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: You and I have talked about infrastructure a lot. It
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: seems that that's improved slightly so now the federal government,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: the Treasurer of Jim Chalmers, at a private meeting apparently
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: has talked about using or putting on a road user
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: charge for all electric vehicles because of course they don't
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: play pay fuel excise, which I think roughly works out
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: to about seven hundred dollars a year for motorists driving
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: a petrol driven car. Labour's going to hopefully, I think,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: put this up as a second term promise in government.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Do you think that will have even more impact on
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: your ambitions to buy an electric vehicle?
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Look, it would absolutely have to.
• 35:59
  Speaker 12: And I think that's a fair thing to ask, because
• 36:01
  Speaker 12: at the moment you have enormous tax incentives, you've got
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: no requirement to pay any fuel ex sise to contribute
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: to roads, government, health, all this sort of stuff. I
• 36:11
  Speaker 12: think every road user needs to pay their fair share,
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: including electric vehicle drivers, and it's about time that everyone
• 36:17
  Speaker 12: was using the roads in the same way.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: So the Chinese vehicles that are starting to come in
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: with weird names like build your Own Dream or whatever
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: it's called, what's the quality of those like compared to
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the big manufacturers, the Mercedes, the BMW's, the Volvos.
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: Look, these days, you pay a lot of money for
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: European cars and unfortunately they don't really deliver that much
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: of a quality advantage over the Chinese. That brand bid.
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: They actually released a dual cap you called the Shark
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: here recently. This has a commodity and a giant.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: The Shark and they release it here.
• 36:59
  Speaker 12: To build this thing alone would cost you well over
• 37:01
  Speaker 12: sixty grand. It's selling for under sixty thousand dollars, and
• 37:05
  Speaker 12: I think they are taking a massive haircut on a
• 37:07
  Speaker 12: lot of these cars.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Have you driven the Shark? I have.
• 37:13
  Speaker 12: Look, it's not really all that good off road or
• 37:15
  Speaker 12: at towing, but for the type of person who's going
• 37:18
  Speaker 12: to drive it around the city, like most chial cave
• 37:20
  Speaker 12: you'd seem to do, it actually delivers great value for money.
• 37:23
  Speaker 12: And if you look at an a Ford Ranger, for example,
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: can be almost double the price. In some instances, it
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: just feels like incredible value for money. And that is
• 37:32
  Speaker 12: the case with a lot of Chinese cars. You're getting
• 37:34
  Speaker 12: a lot of value for money there. If people are
• 37:37
  Speaker 12: willing to hope that the manufacturer stays around for a while,
• 37:39
  Speaker 12: then they're a decent purchase.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: And the point that you make about towing, I mean,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: when you tow with these things, that presume that empties
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: your battery more quickly, doesn't it.
• 37:53
  Speaker 12: Yeah. Look, we actually did a test a little while back.
• 37:55
  Speaker 12: We hooked up a trailer dining, which is basically a
• 37:57
  Speaker 12: load simulated to the Shark. Actually ran out the maximum
• 38:01
  Speaker 12: it could do even with full throttle was seventy kilometers
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: an hour, and I think that is one of the
• 38:06
  Speaker 12: biggest inherent risks with these vehicles that regardless of how
• 38:10
  Speaker 12: much sort of tech and stuff you put into them,
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: there is not a substitute for a big engine and
• 38:14
  Speaker 12: if you do want to be towing, you need to
• 38:15
  Speaker 12: stick with traditional means, which is either a diesel or
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: a big old V eight.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go and buy a Ram. Paul Marek, thank you
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: very much, great to catch up with you again. Paul
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Marrick from Car Expert. There After the break proof that
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: the ABC is driven by left ideology, the latest bombshell
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: from its boss about how we are all racists here
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: in Australia. Plus Anthony Albernezy. Wow, he's raking in some
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: serious cash as he puts his infamous Coper Cabana beach
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: house up for rent. The Friday Panel joins me next,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: welcome back to Deep Price with you. The world according
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: to Rowan Deane coming up after us. Now, lots more
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: to get through tonight. My favorite part of the week.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Friday Panel joining me as usual, Small Business Women Australia
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: CEO Amanda Rose and Sky News contributor Joe hilde Brown,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Welcome to you both. What a tinier, What a tinier,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi, Joe, your mate has now he's bought himself.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: He's brought himself a beach house, delightfully at a place
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: called Copa Kabana Beach on the Central coast in New
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: South Wales. He's now going to rent this out. Now
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: if he thought that the locals were not going to
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: let the media know when the full rent board went up,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: he's sillier than I think he is. They're talking about
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: this four million dollar joint being rented out for somewhere
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: over one thousand dollars a week, and on top of that,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: he's also renting out his Sydney home. Now, I don't
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: begrudge him doing that, but doing it in a cost
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: of living crisis and raking in on top of his
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: PM salary one hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: when we're in the middle of housing crisis.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Joe, speak to him please again.
• 40:05
  Speaker 13: Look, I know it's probably not the best look. I
• 40:08
  Speaker 13: mean at the time when everyone is struggling to hold
• 40:10
  Speaker 13: on to their house, to be effectively advertising the fact
• 40:14
  Speaker 13: that you've got multiple houses is not the best look,
• 40:17
  Speaker 13: But what's the alternative. We do have a housing crisis,
• 40:20
  Speaker 13: we do have a rental crisis. He should be renting
• 40:24
  Speaker 13: out every single house he possibly can, as anyone who
• 40:28
  Speaker 13: is not living in the house should be doing. He
• 40:31
  Speaker 13: is actually personally putting his shoulder to the wheel and
• 40:35
  Speaker 13: assisting with the rental crimander.
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: He's a hero for.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Out, Amanda, Get your elbow, get your elbows out, Get
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: your elbows out. Give him a gig in the ribs.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: For God's sake. What he should be doing is not
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: while he's in the lodge and living at Kiribilly House.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Sure he can rent out his main house in Sydney,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: that's okay, but he shouldn't be buying a beach house,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: should he, Amanda, look ten out.
• 40:58
  Speaker 14: Of ten effort for Joe with that spin. It was
• 41:02
  Speaker 14: kind of remarkable. The thing is, in a crisis like this,
• 41:06
  Speaker 14: he's look, gone are the days where the labor PM
• 41:10
  Speaker 14: is the people's PM, right, because now it's come across
• 41:13
  Speaker 14: as elitist. What I would like to have seen is, Okay,
• 41:17
  Speaker 14: he rents this out and while he's PM, he can
• 41:21
  Speaker 14: actually say I'm going to donate that money to community
• 41:25
  Speaker 14: housing or to a group of people that are homeless
• 41:28
  Speaker 14: that can actually help them in some capacity. That would
• 41:32
  Speaker 14: not only that would be a political, brilliant political move
• 41:35
  Speaker 14: because they getting votes, but also show that you have
• 41:37
  Speaker 14: some compassion for the people. He supposedly represents and says
• 41:42
  Speaker 14: that he's full in election camp and on four the people,
• 41:45
  Speaker 14: on for the workers. I grew up in housing, all
• 41:47
  Speaker 14: these things that he says and then lives the complete
• 41:49
  Speaker 14: opposite life.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Joe Amanda's just triggered and reminded me of something and
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: how you know this is my memories right or not?
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Did not Scot More when he was Prime Minister allow
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: a single mother to live rent free in his house
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: in the Shire after his wife suggested to him that
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: it would be a good idea. Am I making that up? Yeah?
• 42:12
  Speaker 13: And Albert actually did the same thing with the guy
• 42:15
  Speaker 13: who was previously complaining about him, letting him have the
• 42:21
  Speaker 13: house full market rent. A guy was living in I
• 42:24
  Speaker 13: think it was a three bedroom townhouse in Gleeb by
• 42:27
  Speaker 13: himself for peppercorn rent that Albo had charged him during
• 42:32
  Speaker 13: COVID and simply never put the rent up.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: So I asked you about Scott Morrison.
• 42:38
  Speaker 13: I don't know about Scott Morrison's exact regular arrangements. If
• 42:41
  Speaker 13: he was doing that, that's an absolutely fantastic thing to do.
• 42:44
  Speaker 13: But I'm sure, as Albo will tell you himself, the
• 42:46
  Speaker 13: Labor Government is providing plenty of relief for single mothers
• 42:50
  Speaker 13: right across the nation, not just one in particular. And
• 42:54
  Speaker 13: of course they also have access to free childcare as
• 42:57
  Speaker 13: well when that kid if they need to return to
• 43:00
  Speaker 13: the work force. So you know, it's what I laughed
• 43:03
  Speaker 13: and took care of one single mother are both taken
• 43:05
  Speaker 13: care of all that's rubbish.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: That's why I love that. That's why I.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Love ten minutes to seven on a Friday night hearing
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Joe campaigning FORELBA Amanda, I reckon the election's coming sooner
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: or later. The PM is still talking about him. He
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: was in Townsville yesterday as he should be, inspecting those
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: dreadful flood boaters up there.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Then he bobbed up.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: He flew to Alice Springs and bobbed up there and apparently,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: according to just center namperjiber Price, he's doled out a
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: whole bunch of money that had already been allocated. It
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: was just an old policy relaunched, And then I thought, oh,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: he's had a pretty busy day. He's working hard. He
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: bobs up in Lennox Head where he's doling out more
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: money for CCTV cameras. This election can't be far away.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Can it?
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: No?
• 43:49
  Speaker 14: And look, and this happens every election time, regardless of
• 43:52
  Speaker 14: who's campaigning. Both sides of politics do this, and this
• 43:56
  Speaker 14: is where people can get a little bit too excited
• 43:59
  Speaker 14: and voting emotionally based on a promise of money, whether
• 44:02
  Speaker 14: it's money that's already been allocated, which is a very
• 44:04
  Speaker 14: common tactic on both sides, or they're just throwing cash
• 44:07
  Speaker 14: at a community they think they need votes from, or
• 44:10
  Speaker 14: oh no, they're turning on us. What we need to
• 44:13
  Speaker 14: do as a community is actually look at their track record,
• 44:17
  Speaker 14: regardless of who it is, and say who have they
• 44:20
  Speaker 14: supported previously and been successful in supporting them, What have
• 44:23
  Speaker 14: their policies been, you know, when it comes to parliament,
• 44:26
  Speaker 14: go and look up what they voted for, because too
• 44:29
  Speaker 14: often both sides pull the wool over people's eyes with
• 44:31
  Speaker 14: headlines and cash, you know, splash here and there and
• 44:34
  Speaker 14: all these promises. And we know for a fact that
• 44:37
  Speaker 14: promises during election campaigns don't mean anything like the electricity
• 44:40
  Speaker 14: promise that we were given of how much money we're
• 44:43
  Speaker 14: going to save, Yet people are spending thousands more on
• 44:45
  Speaker 14: their bills.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Joe the ABC, the National Broadcasters former managing director David Anderson.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: He was in.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Federal Parliament in front of a Senate estimates hearing this week.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: He said, quote, Australia there is a racist country. Is
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: that a I mean, he says it's a fact. He said,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: it's not. You know, it might be. He says it's
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: a fact. He said, I don't know how you can
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: deny racism in this country. Are we a racist country?
• 45:15
  Speaker 13: Well, there's two possible answers. One is no and the
• 45:19
  Speaker 13: other is yes, and so is every single other country.
• 45:23
  Speaker 13: If you're going to define racism the way the left
• 45:26
  Speaker 13: often likes to define it, where they're just obsessed with
• 45:29
  Speaker 13: the prism of identity politics, and there's a court case
• 45:33
  Speaker 13: at the moment involving the ABC where they're actually arguing
• 45:37
  Speaker 13: over whether or not someone is or isn't a certain race,
• 45:42
  Speaker 13: and I just find that sort of really weird kind
• 45:44
  Speaker 13: of debate. I find it quite unsettling actually, But I mean, again,
• 45:50
  Speaker 13: without having to go with David Anderson. But the sort
• 45:51
  Speaker 13: of people who decry Australia as being racist, all right, well,
• 45:55
  Speaker 13: name a country that isn't racist, Name just one, any
• 45:58
  Speaker 13: single country that isn't that doesn't have a history of
• 46:01
  Speaker 13: one tribe picking on, going to war with killing, exiling,
• 46:07
  Speaker 13: treating poorly, enslaving another. And this goes way back to before.
• 46:11
  Speaker 13: You know, some people think slavery just started with the
• 46:13
  Speaker 13: European colonial powers. It went way before that. I'm afraid
• 46:17
  Speaker 13: it wasn't just Europeans. It was Islamic societies as well.
• 46:20
  Speaker 13: It was Vikings, everybody.
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: Was doing it.
• 46:22
  Speaker 13: The Anglo Saxons, they had their slaves in England before
• 46:25
  Speaker 13: the Normans came over. So again, when hasn't there been
• 46:30
  Speaker 13: racism or racial division, or racial tension or tribal tensions
• 46:35
  Speaker 13: in any country on Earth throughout all of history. Just
• 46:39
  Speaker 13: point to one country and there's no racism there. I mean,
• 46:44
  Speaker 13: it's just an absolutely ridiculously stupid thing to say. So
• 46:48
  Speaker 13: either everyone's a racist or nobody is. And that is
• 46:52
  Speaker 13: why this debate just really does my head in. It
• 46:54
  Speaker 13: so ridiculously unhelpful, and it fails to address the real problem,
• 46:58
  Speaker 13: which is not racism, but disadvantced looking at people who
• 47:01
  Speaker 13: are actually really struggling and doing something for them regardless
• 47:04
  Speaker 13: of the color of their skin, not the sort of
• 47:06
  Speaker 13: grievance junkie policies that you know, even though everything's great
• 47:09
  Speaker 13: and I'm an academic at a university, I still need
• 47:12
  Speaker 13: some special treatment because guess what, I'm this sort of
• 47:15
  Speaker 13: race and you know, here's my certificate to prove it.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: That to me is really quite sick.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Congratulations, you've said something I actually agree with, now, Amanda.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: The Victorian government, they've been asked to show a bit
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: of leadership, which is a joke in itself. But Melbourne's
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: CBD offers vacancy rates are still the highest in the
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: nation because all these lazy public servants are still sitting
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: around in their leisure where at home, working on their laptops,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: on their you know, while they're feeding the dog or
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: going for a walk. It's remained stuck at eighteen percent.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: This is hollowing out the middle of Melbourne and it's
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: killing small business.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 47:56
  Speaker 14: And this is where it's a great opportunity for the
• 47:58
  Speaker 14: government to have vouchers that incentivizers employees to use at
• 48:03
  Speaker 14: the local cafe and the local small business. And that's
• 48:06
  Speaker 14: where a council needs to get involved for the key
• 48:08
  Speaker 14: cities and activate their areas like Liverpool Council did a
• 48:12
  Speaker 14: really good job in Western Sitdy of activating the areas
• 48:14
  Speaker 14: that people want to come into the city. So incentivize
• 48:17
  Speaker 14: the people to want to come in. You can't just
• 48:19
  Speaker 14: force them to come in, and that way it's a
• 48:21
  Speaker 14: win win because they've got engagement and also the small
• 48:23
  Speaker 14: businesses are going to sell again, That's.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Exactly what's going to happen, and government's got to be
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: at the forefront of doing that. Joe Hildebrandall is a pleasure,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Amanda Rose, wonderful to see you. I'll see you both
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: again next Friday. As I said the world Accordney Row
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: and Dean coming up. Those two by elections in Victoria
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: at the weekend are going to be fascinating to watch,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: particularly the one in the western suburban seat of Werribe.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Let's see what the swing against labor is. Here's Row
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: and Dean