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Bonus Episode: Satchmo and Secret Agents · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode of disgrace Sland to the other, the backyard to
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Speaker 1: dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are
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Speaker 1: talking about this week's full episode subject Louis Armstrong, also
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Speaker 1: musicians who have been co opted by the CIA throughout history.
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Speaker 1: We're previewing our upcoming Valentine's Day episodes and we get
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Speaker 1: into your voicemails, texts, DMS, emails and as always, oh
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Speaker 1: the whole lot of Rosie. All right, Discos, let's get
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Speaker 1: into it. So one of the many fortunate aspects of
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Speaker 1: being a parent is that it forces you into conversations
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Speaker 1: at school events, you know, your kids' games or parties
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Speaker 1: with people who you wouldn't otherwise socialize with your kids,
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Speaker 1: kind of force you to make new or additional friends.
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Speaker 1: I'm not telling the parents anything. They don't already know.
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Speaker 1: I'm just stating this for those of you who might
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Speaker 1: not have children, and because this is how I found
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Speaker 1: myself in conversation recently with the grandson of an original
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Speaker 1: CIA member just the other day. I was a fascinating
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Speaker 1: conversation because this dude's granddad went all the way back
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Speaker 1: to the OSS. That's the World War II era version
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Speaker 1: of the CIA, before they had a name for it.
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Speaker 1: The OSS and early CIA was made up of a
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Speaker 1: bunch of Ivy League students whose dads were captains of
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Speaker 1: industry and finance, defense, government, etc. That's where this dude
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Speaker 1: that I was talking to traces his lineage. And I
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Speaker 1: won't go into the stories that he shared with me
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Speaker 1: that his grandfather shared with him, or I guess his
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Speaker 1: grandfather shared with his father who shared with him, if
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Speaker 1: I want to be one hundred percent accurate, But as
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Speaker 1: you can imagine, these stories are pretty wild. This encounter
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Speaker 1: happened to me at the exact moment I was knee
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Speaker 1: deep in research on another Disgraceland subject for an upcoming
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Speaker 1: episode that had me consumed with CIA history. It had
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Speaker 1: me thinking about my own grandfather, who was a brilliant
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Speaker 1: man and a veteran, a veteran of Korea, not of
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Speaker 1: World War Two, who tried unsuccessfully to join the CIA
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Speaker 1: after the war. That was his dream, but he was
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Speaker 1: denied that dream because the agency couldn't trace my grandmother's
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Speaker 1: heritage back far enough through her heritage in Greece, so
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Speaker 1: my grandfather wasn't allowed to join the CIA. I guess
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Speaker 1: the thinking was that they couldn't be sure my grandmother
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Speaker 1: wouldn't turn my grandfather into a Greek spy or something. Now,
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Speaker 1: back then, it was I gather admirable to join the CIA.
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Speaker 1: I don't share that opinion. Now I might think it's
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Speaker 1: bad ass, but I'm not sure I think it's admirable.
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Speaker 1: But anyhow, I always thought this part of my family's
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Speaker 1: history is what made CIA history so fascinating to me personally.
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Speaker 1: The agency is naturally shrouded in mystery, even for me
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Speaker 1: on a personal level, because of my grandfather or what
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Speaker 1: my grandfather tried to do. Anyway, whenever the CIA rubs
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Speaker 1: up against the subjects we discuss here in Disgraceland, I
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Speaker 1: get really interested. I used to think these were just
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Speaker 1: random historical circumstances, But the more I study the history
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Speaker 1: of American culture. And let's be real for a minute.
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Speaker 1: I launched Disgraceland back in twenty eighteen, So I'm now
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Speaker 1: in my seventh year of having my head buried in
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Speaker 1: books reading about the history of American culture, not to
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Speaker 1: mention a lifetime prior to that, reading and absorbing books
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Speaker 1: and documentaries and films about American history. With all this research,
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Speaker 1: you start to see connections and patterns. And my conclusion
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Speaker 1: now is that the CIA's connection to music and culture
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Speaker 1: is definitely not as accidental as I once thought it was.
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Speaker 1: It's very much intentional. Nowhere is this more evident than
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Speaker 1: in this week's full episode on Louis Armstrong. The way
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Speaker 1: the CIA used him is truly disgraceful. It was to
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Speaker 1: not only commit murder, but to subvert democracy in the
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Speaker 1: process of committing murder. That is harsh. Seriously, just I
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Speaker 1: know it's hard, right. None of us are rock stars.
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Speaker 1: I don't think if any of you are get in
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Speaker 1: touch me we can talk. Seriously, none of us are
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Speaker 1: rock stars. But just try to imagine your Louis Armstrong
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Speaker 1: for a second, and you wake up one day and
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Speaker 1: you realize that you were completely played. You were played
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Speaker 1: into unknowingly contributing to the death of an innocent man,
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Speaker 1: a democratically elected innocent man. How would you deal with that?
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Speaker 1: That's fucked up? The CIA. I don't care what good
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Speaker 1: they they may do and what sort of you know,
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Speaker 1: mechanism or apparatus they provide to keep the world safe.
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Speaker 1: The CIA, regardless of any of that, is a dark entity.
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Speaker 1: JFK was killed because he was rightly, I believe, going
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Speaker 1: to split through the agency into a thousand pieces, as
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Speaker 1: he said. And with the tt tiny little look that
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Speaker 1: we've just begun to get into the JFK files, I'm
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Speaker 1: beginning to learn that the Watergate scandal, incredibly was more
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Speaker 1: about keeping the CIA's involvement with the Kennedy assassination secret,
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Speaker 1: that it was solely about political subterfuge, MK Ultra, the
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Speaker 1: Beach Boys and Charles Manson, the Scorpions, wind of Change
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Speaker 1: in the Cold War Brews and the Grateful Dead, and
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Speaker 1: the proliferation of LSD to American youth, Tom DeLong of
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Speaker 1: Blink one eighty two and UAP disclosure, Miles Copeland Junior
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Speaker 1: and the police. There's even a wild public enemy story
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Speaker 1: about an East European communist influence campaign, a story I
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Speaker 1: would have quickly dismissed ten years ago, but now I
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Speaker 1: don't know man patterns. I'm not saying that all these
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Speaker 1: artists were CIA cutouts, but I'm not saying they weren't either,
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Speaker 1: or at least some of them. If you would have
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Speaker 1: told an American citizen back in the nineteen sixties that
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Speaker 1: Louis Armstrong was part of a CIA coupdeta first, Louis
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Speaker 1: Armstrong was like shack okay, he was that type of figure.
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Speaker 1: He was beloved by everyone pretty much, big, jolly, wholesome.
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Speaker 1: There was no way anyone was believing back then in
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Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties that Louis Armstrong was part of a
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Speaker 1: CIA COUPDETA. Second, Americans at the time just flat out
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have believed that their government, the American government, was
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Speaker 1: involved in any way with violent covert acts such as
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Speaker 1: as this one. It wasn't until after Watergate, after the
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Speaker 1: church hearings in the seventies that Americans get to hear
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Speaker 1: about all the awful shit that the CIA was up
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Speaker 1: to in foreign countries, and for some reason we took
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Speaker 1: this as well. The lights have been turned on and
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Speaker 1: all the cockroaches are now scurrying back into the shadows,
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Speaker 1: and you know, sunlight disinfects, and the government rod is
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Speaker 1: you know, not to be seen anymore. We can all
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Speaker 1: go back to just you know, not thinking about the
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Speaker 1: many deplorable ways in which our government has acted and
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Speaker 1: just to assume that they're going to stop doing it. Newsflash,
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Speaker 1: they didn't stop doing it. I believe they just got
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Speaker 1: better at hiding it. Which begs the question, which musicians
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Speaker 1: from the eighties, from the nineties, the two thousands from
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Speaker 1: the now have been co opted by the CIA for
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Speaker 1: nefarious purposes. I don't know the answer. I'm not even
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Speaker 1: really looking for an answer here. I'm just rhetorically asking
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Speaker 1: this question because it's legitimately that's where my head's at.
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Speaker 1: Louis frickin' Armstrong in the CIA, Are you kidding me?
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Speaker 1: My larger point is that this story of Louis Armstrong
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Speaker 1: it proves that the CIA is more involved in our
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Speaker 1: cultural lives than I think we care to acknowledge. These
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Speaker 1: sneaky little bastards have been fucking shit up for a
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Speaker 1: long time, and I think that in the coming weeks,
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Speaker 1: as more of these JFK files get talked about. As
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Speaker 1: the entire treasure trove of three hundred thousand documents gets released,
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be surprised if we start seeing
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Speaker 1: some bold faced names that we were not expecting. Now,
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's going to happen, Okay, I have
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Speaker 1: no evidence that that's the case at all. It's just
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Speaker 1: a hunch. And you know, I'm not even saying it's
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Speaker 1: a particularly good hunch. All I'm saying is that the
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Speaker 1: more I dig into history, the more I run into
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Speaker 1: facts pointing to the CIA rubbing up against American culture,
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Speaker 1: music history included. Okay, but this JFK stuff, This is
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Speaker 1: a couple weeks down the road, all right. We'll get
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Speaker 1: to that, however. Coming up next in Disgraceland this week's
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Speaker 1: rewind episode on sly Stone, and we were tied this
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Speaker 1: release with a much anticipated release this week of Questlove's
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Speaker 1: documentary on Signing the Family Stone, which all of us
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Speaker 1: here at disgrace In are very excited to watch. Talk
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Speaker 1: about a rock and roll animal, sly Stone was a
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Speaker 1: special kind of beast. I guess I would be surprised
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Speaker 1: if sly Stone was a CIA cutout. Just to add that,
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Speaker 1: speaking of rock and roll beasts. Speaking of rock and
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Speaker 1: roll animals, I want your stories on rock and roll animalism,
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Speaker 1: your stories from back in the day that best demonstrate
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Speaker 1: the rock and roll spirit that helped keep the rock
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Speaker 1: and roll spirit alive, that preserve this dying genre that
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Speaker 1: we love so much, rock and roll. You don't have
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Speaker 1: to have been involved in a CIA coup. Maybe you
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Speaker 1: just ran into the singer from King Missile at a
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Speaker 1: truck stop at three in the morning back in the
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Speaker 1: day it made some snipermark about us quote unquote detachable
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Speaker 1: penises I did. Or maybe you and your friends just
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Speaker 1: saw post Malone doing shots at your local bar last week.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. It can be any story at all.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't even have to involve you. It can be
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Speaker 1: a story about a rock star that you read about
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Speaker 1: or that you saw in a documentary that blew your
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Speaker 1: mind and that you want to share with the rest
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Speaker 1: of us. Email me at Disgrace lampod at gmail dot com,
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Speaker 1: or hit me up on voicemail or tech six one
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Speaker 1: seven nine oh six sixty six three eight, and your
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Speaker 1: story might be the story of the week here in
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Speaker 1: next week's after party. But before that next week, on Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: We have our full episode on Sit and Nancy, and
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Speaker 1: we were releasing this on Tuesday because Valentine's Day is here.
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Speaker 1: And what spells love better than being a rock star
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Speaker 1: and being so gonzo on drugs that you murder the
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Speaker 1: love of your life. You think, you think, you're not
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Speaker 1: sure though, that's the mind fuck of it. You're not
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Speaker 1: sure if you killed the woman you love because you're
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Speaker 1: so fucking high. What a story. It's incredible punk rock
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Speaker 1: Romeo and Juliette. Make sure to celebrate Valentine's Day in
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Speaker 1: Disgraceland with Sit and Nancy next week. And when you're
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Speaker 1: listening to this episode, be thinking about the worst rockstar
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Speaker 1: couples in music history, or at least the most notorious. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's gonna be our question of the week. All right,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a quick break. I'll be back to
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Speaker 1: flash with your voicemails, text and answers to last week's
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Speaker 1: question of the week. All right, we are back. Just
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Speaker 1: a quick reminder to make sure you Apple podcast listeners
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Speaker 1: have auto downloads turned on so you're not missing any episodes. Guys,
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Speaker 1: you know how to get in touch with me? Six one, seven, nine,
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Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight to leave me a
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Speaker 1: voicemail or to send me a text at Disgrace lampod
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Speaker 1: on Instagram x and Facebook, Disgracingpod at gmail dot com.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to start with a text this week instead
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Speaker 1: of a voicemail because this dude, I'm assuming it's a dude,
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Speaker 1: hits on about four different questions we've been talking about,
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Speaker 1: trying to answer just topics I guess in general. Okay,
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Speaker 1: he starts with bro the Owen Heart story is worse
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Speaker 1: than it sounds. Vince McMahon continued with that evening's matches
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Speaker 1: with wins Blood on the mat Watch the Vince McMahon
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Speaker 1: series on Netflix. Okay, three h two, here is talking
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Speaker 1: about the death of Owen Heart. We were talking about
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Speaker 1: strange celebrity deaths last week, and this one is one
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Speaker 1: of the strangest. And I have not seen this. I
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Speaker 1: started watching it with my kids. I'm glad I didn't continue.
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Speaker 1: I didn't get very far into it. I need to
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Speaker 1: see this documentary. But there's this. There's so much to
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Speaker 1: watch right now. I have the Diddy documentary series on
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Speaker 1: HBO to catch up on, which I'm doing this week.
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Speaker 1: I have, of course, the sly Stone documentary that I'm
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Speaker 1: stoked on. I gotta watch that as well. And I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna watch this Vince McMann series on Netflix because this
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Speaker 1: story just sounds incredible and it sounds like there should
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Speaker 1: be some sort of episode on this just based on
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Speaker 1: the the way this guy died is unreal. He goes
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Speaker 1: on to say, Prince and Michael our apples and oranges.
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Speaker 1: You absolutely cannot compare the two. I disagree. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they're they're of the same time, They're they're both massive icons.
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Speaker 1: They're both part of that sort of same generation, first
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Speaker 1: generation of pop stars who really understood how to use
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Speaker 1: MTV and how to capitalize on it and their audiences.
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Speaker 1: There was so much crossover, so I think you can
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Speaker 1: absolutely compare the two. And then my favorite of these
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Speaker 1: of this string of text for the three or two says,
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Speaker 1: hot dogs over a dollar make me want to punch
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Speaker 1: babies in the face. When my kid played Little League
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Speaker 1: and the hot dogs in the concession stand were over
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Speaker 1: a dollar, no one paid more than a dollar when
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Speaker 1: I was in the stand. I don't know that we
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Speaker 1: need to punch babies, but I hear you. Maybe we
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Speaker 1: can get some legislation sponsor to just you know I'm
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Speaker 1: not for I'm not for price fixing generally. I'm a
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Speaker 1: market guy. I believe you're don't let the market decide
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Speaker 1: what something is worth, but not when it comes to
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Speaker 1: hot dogs, coffees and cheap beer. They should all be
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Speaker 1: under a dollar. And maybe we can get some legislation
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Speaker 1: that helps us get to this sort of utopia that
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Speaker 1: I've been I've started talking about last week, and that
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Speaker 1: I can see you guys are interested in as well.
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Speaker 1: Seven to seven two rights in Hey, Jake, seven to
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Speaker 1: seven to two here South Florida by way of northern Wisconsin.
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Speaker 1: My favorite band was and is Boston. I think Brad
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Speaker 1: Delp's story is fascinating and tragic. He was a genius.
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Speaker 1: Lots of court cases in fellow bandmates, and also rumor
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Speaker 1: of him secretly filming his girlfriend's sister before he tragically
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Speaker 1: killed himself with carbon monoxide using two grills in his bathroom.
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Speaker 1: Tom Schultz from the band Boston is another really interesting character,
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Speaker 1: highly educated heir of the Polaroid camera inventory. Keep up
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Speaker 1: the great work you helped me get through the day
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Speaker 1: seven seven two. I know about this story and I've
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Speaker 1: long thought about telling it, and you know, in Boston,
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Speaker 1: in the city Boston, this has been this story's sort
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Speaker 1: of been in the ether, floating around. Nobody really wants
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Speaker 1: to touch it. I think the Boston Herald did a
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Speaker 1: piece on it, and it's a nasty story, man, it's
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Speaker 1: a nasty, nasty story, and anything involving kids, I don't
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Speaker 1: like to go near it, just because you know it's
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Speaker 1: I mean, you'd be like, why you cover cannibalism and
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Speaker 1: you cover all these atrocities and yeah, but there's just
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Speaker 1: something about having your head in the abuse of children
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Speaker 1: during the research phase and then it's just too much.
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Speaker 1: And then do you really want to sit through thirty minutes,
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Speaker 1: forty minutes, fifty minutes of that type of content. I don't, necessarily,
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Speaker 1: but this story's really fucked up for a bunch of
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Speaker 1: different reasons as well. So maybe there's a way to
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Speaker 1: tell it that wouldn't be completely gross and disgusting. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you guys, if you guys want to
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Speaker 1: go down a wormhole, though, get into this Brad del
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Speaker 1: Boston story. It's all out there. Six one seven nine
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Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight. You can leave me
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Speaker 1: a voicemail on any topic, question of the week, or
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Speaker 1: just anything that's on your mind. Episodes you want to
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Speaker 1: hear topics you want me to discuss. All right, let's
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Speaker 1: hear from Cuba in the six to one four.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Jake, this is Juba from the sixty one four.
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Speaker 2: Oh Man, Miles Davis one bad ass motherfucker. This was
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Speaker 2: my favorite these two. This two part episode was my
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Speaker 2: favorite by far. And I have listened to every one
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Speaker 2: of your episodes at least twice. I will probably listen
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Speaker 2: to this four times. It has written beautifully. It just
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Speaker 2: slowed just like Miles Davis. I never knew about him
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Speaker 2: playing the trumpet to the birds, and when you were describing.
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Speaker 3: That, it just I could hear it, I.
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Speaker 2: Could feel it, and it made so much sense and
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Speaker 2: how beautiful.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Koba, thank you six one four. I appreciate
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Speaker 1: the kind words on the Miles Davis two part episode,
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Speaker 1: the rewe episode that we dropped into the feed. This
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Speaker 1: episode is definitely akin to Louis Armstrong episode. Obviously the
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Speaker 1: genre jazz. I mean, that's kind of like comparing a
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Speaker 1: Ferrari to a muscle car, but or in Miles's case,
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Speaker 1: a Lamborghini to a muscle car, but still they're in
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Speaker 1: conversation with each other. And if you like that Miles
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Speaker 1: Davis episode, you got to check out the Louis Armstrong
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Speaker 1: episode and vice versa. Also, I've said this before, I'll
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Speaker 1: say it again. Matt Boden, who mixes these episodes produces
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Speaker 1: them with me, crushed the mix on the Miles Davis
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Speaker 1: two part episodes as he always does. But you know,
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Speaker 1: these are these episodes here. The Miles episodes are kind
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Speaker 1: of like, you know, if I was walking down the
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Speaker 1: street and someone ran up to me and was like, Hey,
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Speaker 1: what disgraced ane episode should I listen to for the
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Speaker 1: first time? I think I might give them these two.
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Speaker 1: That's how much I love the way they came out.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's check out this voicemail from Johnny in
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Speaker 1: the six one seven.
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Speaker 3: Hey, what's up, Jake. It's Johnny Vinyl, longtime brother, just
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Speaker 3: chiming in here on a complete unknown. First of all,
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Speaker 3: I'm so glad that you went to see that movie
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Speaker 3: and that you kept an open mind, because it kind
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Speaker 3: of bums me out to hear you say that you
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Speaker 3: just weren't in a Timothy shallow may But you know what,
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Speaker 3: each to their own I like, you appreciate very strong opinions,
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Speaker 3: So you know, I was like, Wow, can Jake, can
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Speaker 3: he be flipped on this movie? Because I was convinced
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Speaker 3: that you could be. So I went to see it
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Speaker 3: with twelve other people. I went to see it with
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Speaker 3: my brother in laws, my sister in laws, my girlfriend,
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Speaker 3: and all of the kids. And the kids ranged from
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Speaker 3: age eight up to age sixteen. Okay, they were glued
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Speaker 3: to that screen. They did not move from their chairs,
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Speaker 3: they did not gab away. They were glued to that screen.
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Speaker 3: And every single kid loved that movie, and every single
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Speaker 3: kid got into Bob Dylan after that movie. My daughter
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Speaker 3: owns the soundtrack on vinyl. She listens to it to depth.
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Speaker 3: And Timothy shallow May was amazing. I'm a huge Bob
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Speaker 3: Dylan fan. I'm very critical of the way he would
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Speaker 3: be portrayed by anybody. My brother in law feels the
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Speaker 3: same way. We thought tim absolutely crushed it. We thought
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Speaker 3: that Monica playing Joan Bias was amazing. We thought that
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Speaker 3: just the cast was unbelievable. But I like that the
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Speaker 3: movie stuck to the time piece, It stuck to the facts.
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Speaker 3: It didn't try to overdramatize anything. That is the way
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Speaker 3: that a pure biopick should be done. And I hope
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Speaker 3: that others learned the lesson of how a biopick should
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Speaker 3: be done. That's all I gotta say. Keep up the
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Speaker 3: good work, Jake.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Timothy Shama, Lama Ding Dong, he did deliver. Indeed,
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Speaker 1: he was amazing. I stand corrected. I did not have
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Speaker 1: high hopes for this film, in part because I'm just
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Speaker 1: not a big fan of that dude, not some I
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Speaker 1: shouldn't say that. I'm kind of indifferent to him, and
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Speaker 1: I didn't think he would bring a lot to the table.
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Speaker 1: And boy, oh boy, was I wrong. As I mentioned
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Speaker 1: in the bonus section of the after Party last week,
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Speaker 1: to you guys, I went to see a Complete Unknown.
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Speaker 1: Gave my review Johnny. Yeah, man, I'm happy you liked
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Speaker 1: it as well, and really great to hear that all
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Speaker 1: the kids were into it, because I've been thinking about
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Speaker 1: bringing my kids, like I mentioned, to see this, and
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Speaker 1: they're pretty young, but I think they would love it.
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Speaker 1: It's funny. This past weekend we had house guests, and
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Speaker 1: I found myself in an argument about this movie with
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Speaker 1: somebody who had not seen it, but who was not
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Speaker 1: interested at all in watching it basically had the same
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Speaker 1: exact sort of pre critique that I had, just not
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Speaker 1: looking forward to it, just been burned by so many
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Speaker 1: music biopics before, and thought that this was going to
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Speaker 1: be awful, thought that Dylan was too much of an
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Speaker 1: enigmatic character to actually be able to capture on screen.
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Speaker 1: But you know whatever, I hope impressed upon this dude
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Speaker 1: to go see the movie. I don't think I did.
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Speaker 1: But Johnny, maybe he'll hear this, and maybe he'll hear
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Speaker 1: your enthusiasm as well, and that will compel him. Movie
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Speaker 1: is great. You should all go check it out. And
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Speaker 1: if you do and you don't like it, well, Johnny
20:50
Speaker 1: will fight you. Emma Lewis aka at Miss Murphy sixty
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Speaker 1: nine on x Wright saying, Hey, Jake, I've been meaning
20:56
Speaker 1: to ask for ages how many loops are on that
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Speaker 1: MK one. I've been listening since today dot com and
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Speaker 1: it got me thinking, I don't really understand the text.
21:06
Speaker 1: I do understand the question MK one in MK two
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Speaker 1: represent the type of loop. Okay, the melotron is its
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Speaker 1: own beast, and the power of the melotron is endless.
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Speaker 1: There are loops galore. And I read this text because
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Speaker 1: Matt Boden. I'm talking to you, buddy. You know what
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Speaker 1: we got to do. Just dropping this in here, one
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Speaker 1: less email. Okay, you got it. Hit me up. Brooke
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Speaker 1: McLeod Burks writes in on Facebook. Ky, not sure if
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Speaker 1: you've done one on Howard Hughes, but if not, check
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Speaker 1: out this book. This all happened near where I live.
21:39
Speaker 1: Very convincing. The book is called Boxes, The Secret Life
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Speaker 1: of Howard Hughes by Douglas Wellman, and this is interesting.
21:47
Speaker 1: I was, actually I'm interested in this. I don't know
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Speaker 1: that I'm gonna ever do an episode on Howard Hughes,
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Speaker 1: maybe for bad Lands. I'll have news on bad Lands soon,
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Speaker 1: by the way, But I was actually reading last night,
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Speaker 1: and again, CIA is everywhere when it comes to culture
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Speaker 1: and their involvement with Howard Hughes. Fascinating stuff. Also, this
22:10
Speaker 1: was in reference to the, like I said, the tenC
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Speaker 1: tiny little news we got on the JFK Files. So far,
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Speaker 1: so Brooke, very interesting. I might just read that book
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Speaker 1: just for the hell of it, and maybe it ends
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Speaker 1: up being some sort of episode in the future. Thanks
22:25
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Speaker 1: following us on Facebook, you're really missing out. We're releasing
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Speaker 1: TikTok and I just don't have the bandwidth, I get it.
23:02
Speaker 1: I get it, there's too many apps. I totally understand.
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Speaker 1: But I'm telling you we're doing more on Facebook these days.
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Speaker 1: And if you're like, hey man, Facebook's just for the
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Speaker 1: old dues, for the boomers, that's not true. It's not
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Speaker 1: true if you're Gen X, if you're a millennial, Facebook
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Speaker 1: is the biggest platform on the planet. I'm not here
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Speaker 1: to pump Facebook's tires. I'm just telling you that we
23:21
Speaker 1: got a cool community over there and releasing a bunch
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Speaker 1: of content over there. We've increased our follower account we've
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Speaker 1: going to keep releasing stuff video content, I should say,
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Speaker 1: music related video content over on Facebook. So give us
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Speaker 1: a follow, Penny handling Anderson Wright saying, Hey, Jake, I
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Speaker 1: am from the eight oh one area code and maybe
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Speaker 1: the only one from Utah. No, we have more Utah
23:45
Speaker 1: listeners than just you, Penny, but I think I know
23:48
Speaker 1: where you're getting at. You're also saying I'm also she's
23:52
Speaker 1: directly contradicting what I was just saying about Facebook, Penny saying,
23:54
Speaker 1: I'm also one of your much older listeners. Penny, you
23:57
Speaker 1: don't look that old. I'm looking at your picture here.
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Speaker 1: You're aging yourself, and I don't think you should do
24:02
Speaker 1: that because you look pretty good. Penny. Penny goes honest,
24:05
Speaker 1: say I love your podcasts and the stories you find
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Speaker 1: on people are incredible. I don't listen weekly or anything,
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Speaker 1: but I fill up an SD card. Okay, Penny, this
24:13
Speaker 1: is some old This is some old people's stuff. Here.
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Speaker 1: I fill up an SD card with about thirty or
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Speaker 1: forty at the time, and I listen in my car
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Speaker 1: so I hear them in alphabetical order.
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Speaker 2: Loll.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm laughing at the loll not the order you
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Speaker 1: put them out anyway. I love the crossover between Disgraceland
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Speaker 1: I love you too. Like I said, news on bad
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Speaker 1: very young, very the very millennial Terry Demron on Facebook right,
24:45
Speaker 1: the Disgraceland podcast is one of my absolute favorites. I'm joking.
24:49
Speaker 1: I'm not joking about what Terry said or how old
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Speaker 1: she appears to be in her Facebook profile picture. But look,
24:56
Speaker 1: I don't care how old the listeners are or how
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Speaker 1: young they are, as long as you guys are enjoying
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Speaker 1: what we're pumping out on. And I don't care. I
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Speaker 1: don't care what platform you're getting it on either. Just
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Speaker 1: keep showing up, all right. I appreciate you at disgracelamp
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Speaker 1: pod on all the platforms, and you can hit me
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Speaker 1: up anywhere. Gala avery Over on Instagram, writes in response
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Speaker 1: our Debbie Harry video with Ted Bundy. No judgment yet,
25:35
Speaker 1: this isn't entertainment talking about disgracelam content. This is one
25:39
Speaker 1: of the best distractions ever created to get the masses
25:43
Speaker 1: to look out instead of looking inward to find knowledge
25:47
Speaker 1: of one's own life. Know thyself hashtag know thyself. Russell
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Speaker 1: you got me, you figured it out. I am a
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Speaker 1: ciasi op put here to specifically distract all of you
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Speaker 1: from looking in at what you've become. How dare you
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Speaker 1: become what you've become? How dare you You need to
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Speaker 1: look inside? Free yourself? And as en Vogue said back
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Speaker 1: in the nineties, your ass will follow. They of course
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Speaker 1: we're ripping off George Clinton. But hey, that's what the
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Speaker 1: CIA doesn't want you to know. Man, wouldn't be funny
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Speaker 1: if I was a ciasi, Oh, that'd be fucking hysterical
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Speaker 1: week's story of the Week you know, the guys story
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Speaker 1: of the week. By now, hit me up. Let me
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Speaker 1: know of some story of rock and roll, animalism, the
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Speaker 1: spirit of rock and roll, whatever you want to call it,
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Speaker 1: the preservation of rock and roll, something rock and roll
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Speaker 1: that has happened to you that you witness firsthand, and
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Speaker 1: or a great rock and roll story that maybe you
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Speaker 1: heard from somewhere else. Okay, why do I have to
27:18
Speaker 1: be the one who's always telling the stories here? You
27:20
Speaker 1: guys need to tell me some stories. Okay, hit me up.
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Speaker 1: We'll gather all the stories together. We'll we get this collective,
27:26
Speaker 1: this sort of preservation project that we have here in Disgraceland.
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Speaker 1: And every week I'm gonna read one of these stories
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Speaker 1: email six point seven nine h six six six three
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Speaker 1: This week's story of the Week comes from the eight
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Speaker 1: to six to zero from a Disgraceland listener named Gloria.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna read all of her message here because
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Speaker 1: it's it's very long, and I can appreciate that there's
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Speaker 1: it's actually a bunch of stories that she sent in Gloria,
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Speaker 1: you need to get your own podcast, Gloria, Gloria kidding.
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Speaker 1: Gloria tells this story. It's a really funny one about
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Speaker 1: being trapped in a casino with bon Jovi the band,
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Speaker 1: which and she was a young girl at the time,
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Speaker 1: but this seems like a time when bon Jovi was
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Speaker 1: maybe a little later in their career. Her dad was
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Speaker 1: in the music business, which is how this came to be.
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Speaker 1: She goes on to tell this story here, I have
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Speaker 1: quite a few stories, like my dad's radio station was
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Speaker 1: the station who had Millie Vanilli performing when they had
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Speaker 1: their track skip. And then she goes on to talk
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Speaker 1: about how her dad was friends with Fabris. Her dad
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Speaker 1: really sounds like a character here, sort of an older
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Speaker 1: silver Fox guy is what I'm imagining here from her
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Speaker 1: many texts. She says that her father has some stories
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Speaker 1: too of summer jam in Rochester, New York with this
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Speaker 1: girl in a band who asked for my dad to
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Speaker 1: come to Niagara Falls with them, and my dad took
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Speaker 1: them all in his convertible sports car and crossed the border.
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Speaker 1: And turns out the lead singer of that band was
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Speaker 1: a girl who was a sessed with my dad and
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Speaker 1: her name was Fergie. Okay, all right, great.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 1: She goes on to talk about, Uh, this is why
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Speaker 1: I wanted to read this to you. Last, but not least,
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Speaker 1: I have quite a memory of Lana del Rey asking
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Speaker 1: for my dad's phone number after a show. He was
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Speaker 1: such a gorgeous and polite man. She said, is he single?
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Speaker 1: And my dad was like, UM, I love this. I
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Speaker 1: love because I love Lana Delray hitting on an old
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Speaker 1: dude after one of her shows. I just think that's perfect.
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Speaker 1: That's the exact type of story of the week that
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Speaker 1: a while for us to get there, but we did it. Guys,
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Speaker 1: Jake Disgraceland is one of my very favorite podcasts. Excellent storytelling.
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Speaker 1: me at first, only because I'm not familiar with the
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Speaker 1: subject or it's a genre I'm not into, like this
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Speaker 1: the after party here. Okay, we're gonna go to that
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Speaker 1: all sit around, kick back, have a nice, nice drink.
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Speaker 1: As I used to call them, the asshole birds. Those
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Speaker 1: early in the morning. And if you heard those birds
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Speaker 1: and you were still up and you were still out, well,
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Speaker 1: my friend, you are an asshole. So that's what we're
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Speaker 4: I gonna take a break back in Flash.
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Speaker 1: All right, we are back guys, a bunch of cool
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Speaker 1: archive episodes. As always mentioned in this bonus episode Grateful Dead,
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Speaker 1: He shows up in the Kobe episode, an episode that
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Speaker 1: To put it charitably, Matt is gonna, as always, Matt's
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Speaker 1: shall we? Number one? I want your story? Call me,
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Speaker 1: text me, hit me up on the socials with your
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Speaker 1: favorite story of rock and roll animalism, a wild story
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Speaker 1: about a rock star that you're aware of, or that
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Speaker 1: maybe something that happened to you, Okay, and in the process,
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Speaker 1: You know who you are. Number five. Remember no one
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Speaker 1: This week's episode subject, Louis Armstrong, passed away on July sixth,
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one. And here are the billboard charts from
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