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The Bolt Report | 12 October · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: The story is even worse than you've been told. Tonight
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  Speaker 1: I have shocking evidence that an Islamic centre funded by
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  Speaker 1: the Albanese government has actually been a meeting place for
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  Speaker 1: Islamist terrorists and extremists. This woke government's multicultural madness might
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  Speaker 1: now be putting us in grave danger. How blind is this?
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  Speaker 1: Labor has been, blinded by its greed for Muslim votes
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  Speaker 1: and stupid too because, let me set the scene. Today
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  Speaker 1: is the anniversary of the Bali bombings 24 years ago
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  Speaker 1: by Islamist terrorists, killed more than 200 people, 88 of
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  Speaker 1: them Australians. The Albanese government didn't mention it, didn't remind
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  Speaker 1: us that Islamist terror is not only a threat to
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  Speaker 1: Jews but to all of us, who enjoy the West
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  Speaker 1: and its freedoms. And what's more, we're learning that Islamist
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  Speaker 1: terror does not just happen in foreign countries, but, of course,
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  Speaker 1: the front lines of wars in the Middle East now
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  Speaker 1: run right through our cities, the cities of the West.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there was 9-11, of course, the Islamist terror
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  Speaker 1: attacks in London, Paris, Brussels, Nice, the Christmas markets of
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  Speaker 1: Germany and more. And what about the tension and division.
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  Speaker 2: We now see? I mean, you look... to mass immigration.
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  Speaker 1: You look at the menacing protests by pro-Palestine activists here.
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  Speaker 1: You look at the protesters in New York and Amsterdam
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  Speaker 1: last week openly celebrating Hamas terrorists and the October 7
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  Speaker 1: massacre of 1,200 Israelis by Hamas. Or you look at
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  Speaker 1: the man in Bondi Beach last week actually hanging a
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  Speaker 1: Palestinian flag on the very bridge from which two suspected
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  Speaker 1: Islamic State supporters last December allegedly murdered Jewish men, women
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  Speaker 1: and children. The shamelessness now of this support. And you
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  Speaker 1: also look at the huge protests by supposed students in
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  Speaker 1: France going on now, more like a civil war really,
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  Speaker 1: violent riots that have now spread to Belgium too, whipped
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  Speaker 1: up by the hard left. but often dominated by Muslim protesters.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen some groups of these protesters, one even desecrating
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  Speaker 1: a church, actually chanting a rap song celebrating the infamous
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  Speaker 1: Islamist terrorists who murdered three schoolchildren and their rabbi and
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  Speaker 1: also killed police. Now, these are scenes we never could
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  Speaker 1: have imagined even 20 years ago. They warn of a
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  Speaker 1: hell to come. And any government, including the Albanese government,
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  Speaker 1: should have taken fright. As a minimum, the very barest minimum,
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  Speaker 1: they should have ended all funding of mosques and Islamic centres,
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  Speaker 1: not least ones used by or encouraging radicals.
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  Speaker 2: But what have we seen here instead? I'll show you.
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  Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, an Omani pilot allegedly tried to take
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  Speaker 1: over a fly-you-by plane full of Jews and smash it
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  Speaker 1: into the ground until passengers miraculously tackled him and pulled
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  Speaker 1: the plane out of its steep dive. Now, the pilot,
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  Speaker 1: Hammam al-Hammami, was arrested and United Arab Emirate investigators now
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  Speaker 1: say he told them he studied at Melbourne's RMIT University
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  Speaker 1: from 2015 to 2017 and went to an Islamic centre
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  Speaker 1: run by Samir Motadi, also known as Abu Hamzah. And
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  Speaker 1: it was here, the UAE says, that his drift towards
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  Speaker 1: extremism and terrorism started in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: All that you probably know already. By the way, let
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  Speaker 2: me here be very clear.
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  Speaker 1: I am not suggesting for a second that Motadi knew
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  Speaker 1: this man, al-Hammami, or approved his plans. I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: he didn't and wouldn't have. Indeed, the UAE's Attorney-General said
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  Speaker 1: only that al-Hammami met people connected to Motadi's centre, really.
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  Speaker 1: And that centre, by the way, is part of the
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  Speaker 1: Islamic Information and Services Network of Australasia. Al-Hammami had also
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  Speaker 1: been influenced, of course, by the internet and, he said,
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  Speaker 1: the September 11 attack.
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  Speaker 2: OK.
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  Speaker 1: But the link to Motadi's centre did not surprise me
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  Speaker 1: one bit because I was onto this two decades ago.
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  Speaker 1: Back in 2005, I wrote that even Motadi's moderate centre,
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  Speaker 1: had a name for being moderate, his Islamic Information and
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  Speaker 1: Services Network, had directed readers to an Islamic expert saying
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  Speaker 1: it was no sin to kill non-Muslims, saying in regard
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  Speaker 1: to non-Muslims who are at war with the Muslims and
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  Speaker 1: do not have a peace treaty with the Muslims or
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  Speaker 1: are not living under Muslim rule, then Muslims are commanded
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  Speaker 1: to kill them because Allah says, fight those of the
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  Speaker 1: disbelievers who are close to you and let them find
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  Speaker 1: harshness in you, which I think you'll agree is enormously threatening. Now, true,
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  Speaker 1: that advice was on a website recommended by Mahtadi's organisation.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't come from Mahtadi himself. But so many people
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  Speaker 1: don't want to know, right? In fact, the ABC's Media
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  Speaker 1: Watch show blasted my report as irresponsible and dangerous, claiming
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  Speaker 1: I distorted the answer by not going on to repeat
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  Speaker 1: basically what you'd be told that the expert Mahtadi's service
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  Speaker 1: was linked to had also said that killing non-Muslims was wrong.
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  Speaker 1: It was wrong, he said, because if they had a
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  Speaker 1: peace treaty with the Muslims, you know, whatever that treaty
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  Speaker 1: might be, Now, let's hope other Muslims agree that Australians
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  Speaker 1: do have some peace.
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  Speaker 2: Treaty with them.
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  Speaker 1: Now, a spokesman for Matadi also told the ABC, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we eschew all forms of political violence. And it is
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  Speaker 1: true that he does say no to political violence here.
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  Speaker 1: And all that was good enough for the ABC. Critically,
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  Speaker 1: it was also good enough, I'm afraid, for the Albanese government,
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  Speaker 1: which has since handed Matadi's centre $ 68, 000 of your money.
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  Speaker 1: handed this money for his organisation to run the language school,
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  Speaker 1: although certainly teaching Arabic, which of course helps bring in
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  Speaker 1: many young and impressionable children from that background, brings them
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  Speaker 1: closer to Arabic culture rather than Australian. And why does
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  Speaker 1: this matter? Because Abu Hamza, the leader of this organisation,
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  Speaker 1: the Albanese government gave $ 68, 000 to, preaches a wild hatred
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  Speaker 1: of Zionists, which of course means every single Jew who
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  Speaker 1: thinks that Jews deserve a homeland as well.
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  Speaker 2: We don't believe in a state called Israel.
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  Speaker 3: And I swear by God, the Almighty, it's just a
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  Speaker 3: matter of time before Palestine will only have one state,
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  Speaker 3: only one state, the.
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  Speaker 2: State of Palestine.
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  Speaker 4: I've always said and I've always believed that these Zionists
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  Speaker 4: are not normal.
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  Speaker 2: They're blood-sucking human beings. They're scavengers. They're not humans, I
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  Speaker 2: swear by Allah.
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  Speaker 1: This Abu Hamza has also called on God to cast
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  Speaker 1: terror into the hearts of the Zionists, that's the quote,
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  Speaker 1: and he's cheered on the terrorists fighting Israel.
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  Speaker 5: My beloved brothers and sisters in Palestine, you are fighting
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  Speaker 5: our war.
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  Speaker 2: You are in the front line.
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  Speaker 5: I want to send this clear message from.
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne, Australia.
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  Speaker 5: I swear by Allah, you are going.
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  Speaker 2: To be victorious.
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  Speaker 1: But, and this is what you won't have heard, the
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  Speaker 1: Albanese government's grant to this centre... also matters because of
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  Speaker 1: the people it attracts, and it isn't just this alleged
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  Speaker 1: terrorist pilot that's now been arrested. Aval Hamza's organisation also
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  Speaker 1: invited controversial Indian preacher Saki Nayak to come speak. This
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  Speaker 1: is a man who has said that Islam allows suicide
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  Speaker 1: bombings in supposed war zones by Palestine.
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  Speaker 6: But if the situation demands, like in Palestine, every day
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  Speaker 6: they are being killed, and if they know that they
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  Speaker 6: use an attack in which the chances of dying are there,
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  Speaker 6: and if they really cause damage to the opponent, as
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  Speaker 6: a last resort, with guidance from a scholar, so with
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  Speaker 6: guidance of the Quran and Sunnah, as a last resort,
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  Speaker 6: it can be used.
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  Speaker 1: This organization that the Albanese government has funded also invited
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  Speaker 1: Yusuf Mohammed al-Khattab. He's an extremist from America who said
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  Speaker 1: he loved terrorist leader Osama bin Laden. This al-Khattab was
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  Speaker 1: also later jailed in the US for threatening Jewish organisations.
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  Speaker 2: And there's more.
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  Speaker 1: Abel Hamza's organisation has also promoted hate preacher Bilal Phillips,
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  Speaker 1: who's been banned from Australia now and Britain for backing
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  Speaker 1: suicide bombings against Israel. Although Phillips says he's since changed
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  Speaker 1: his mind. And look at the flies that this centre
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  Speaker 1: attracts from Australians. I have a contact who's been quite
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  Speaker 1: useful in the past. He got involved in extremes and
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  Speaker 1: paid a price, repented. He's helping to.
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  Speaker 2: Counter it. I can't name him, but he did tell
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  Speaker 2: me he saw brothers.
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  Speaker 1: Samad and Etrunkoglu at that centre. Now, court records confirm
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  Speaker 1: that those brothers, together with a third man, also known
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  Speaker 1: to visit the centre, were jailed in Melbourne for terrorism offences.
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  Speaker 1: Also at the mosque, my informant tells me, was a
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  Speaker 1: man later jailed for torching a rival mosque, a Shiite one,
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  Speaker 1: his Sunni Muslim.
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  Speaker 2: Now I've checked it, he has been jailed.
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  Speaker 1: So I ask you, why on earth did the Albanese
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  Speaker 1: government give $ 68, 000 of your taxes to this Islamic group?
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  Speaker 1: And why did Victorian Labor, the government there, despite its
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  Speaker 1: massive debt, give even more, $ 390? could have a women's program?
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  Speaker 1: The Albanese government today had no answers, just an evasion.
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  Speaker 3: We don't fund religious activities.
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  Speaker 2: The man behind the centre, Abu Hamza, he isn't answering
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  Speaker 2: questions either.
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  Speaker 3: Those who are righteous, they've always been attacked, abused, accused, killed, imprisoned,
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  Speaker 3: and this is.
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  Speaker 2: The way it is.
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  Speaker 3: Regardless how much you explain yourself to people, that's it,
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  Speaker 3: they're fixated with their ideas and that's it, you can't
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  Speaker 3: change them. So the best thing sometimes is not to
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  Speaker 3: say anything.
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  Speaker 1: So how blind do you think the Albanese government is
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  Speaker 1: to Islamic radicalism? How blind and how dangerous? Joining me
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  Speaker 1: is the country's top writer on foreign affairs, Greg Sheridan
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  Speaker 1: of the Australian newspaper.
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  Speaker 2: Greg, good to see you.
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  Speaker 1: Look, there is such a blindness in this government when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to Islam and radicalism, Palestine, all that, mass immigration.
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  Speaker 1: You just look at what I've just shown you, the
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  Speaker 1: praise of Hamas. We now see openly expressed the violent
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  Speaker 1: riots in France and now Belgium, also the way that
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  Speaker 1: Iran is using criminal networks, ethnic networks in the West
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  Speaker 1: to commit attacks in Australia, Britain, France, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark
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  Speaker 1: and so on. What is the big picture here?
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  Speaker 7: Well, Andrew, it's good to be with you. I must
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  Speaker 7: say that's a very disturbing report that you put to air.
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  Speaker 7: How shocking is that guy just walking along saying Zionists
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  Speaker 7: are not human beings?
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  Speaker 2: We know that the word.
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  Speaker 7: Zionist is just the smart way of saying Jew. And
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  Speaker 7: that's what we have in Australia now. So I think
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  Speaker 7: the Albanese government fails at every point in this whole matter.
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  Speaker 7: It's a disgraceful record from the government. But it fails
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  Speaker 7: particularly to deal with Islamist anti-Semitism, and it fails also
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  Speaker 7: to deal with far-left anti-Semitism. And we've seen an alliance
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  Speaker 7: of both. I mean, we've seen the British Greens pass
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  Speaker 7: a resolution in their party saying that All Zionism is racism.
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  Speaker 7: All Zionists are racist. That's just a license for racial,
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  Speaker 7: racist hatred of Jews. We've got very similar dynamics in Australia.
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  Speaker 7: This de facto alliance between the Islamist anti-Semites and the
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  Speaker 7: far left anti-Semites and the Albanese government is moral cowards
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  Speaker 7: who won't say anything about it. But I'd have to
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  Speaker 7: say to you, Andrew, with this doleful reflection, The coalition
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  Speaker 7: had 10 years in office and did almost nothing about
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  Speaker 7: this either.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think.
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  Speaker 7: The state of Australia today is a bipartisan failure.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely correct. Driven by cowardice and self-interest both. Meanwhile, of course, Greg,
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  Speaker 1: here's a perfect example of this willful blindness by this government.
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  Speaker 1: We've had the president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas,
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  Speaker 1: showing that he has again played Anthony Albanese for an
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  Speaker 1: utter fool. Albanese last year recognised Palestine as a state,
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  Speaker 1: despite it being overrun by terrorists, having no fixed borders,
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  Speaker 1: no peace deal with Israel, saying that Abbas, though, had
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  Speaker 1: made him promises.
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  Speaker 2: Here he is.
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  Speaker 8: The Palestinian Authority has reaffirmed it recognises Israel's right to
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  Speaker 8: exist in peace and security. It has committed to demilitarise...
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  Speaker 8: and to hold general elections. It has pledged to abolish
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  Speaker 8: the system of payments to the families of prisoners and martyrs.
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  Speaker 1: But this President Abbas last weekend said these elections that
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  Speaker 1: he promised, he hasn't had any for 20 years, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, he is going to postpone them again, Greg.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you're shocked and amazed and surprised. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: he's broken every single one of those promises he made
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  Speaker 1: to Albanese, which Albanese put in the bank. How stupid
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  Speaker 1: does Albanese look now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's right, Andrew.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, the whole position of the Albanese government on
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  Speaker 7: this matter is utterly ridiculous, as if anything that the
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  Speaker 7: Australian government says or does will have the slightest effect
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  Speaker 7: on the Palestinian Authority. The real bad element of what
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  Speaker 7: the Albanese government did was that by recognising a Palestinian
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  Speaker 7: state when no such state exists and the conditions won't
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  Speaker 7: exist for one you know, that is to say normalisation
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  Speaker 7: for many years to come, it further demonised Israel. And
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  Speaker 7: in my view, unintentionally contributed, unintentionally but directly contributed to
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  Speaker 7: the rise of murderous anti-Semitism in Australia by demonising Israel. Now,
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  Speaker 7: if Albanese had one skerrick of seriousness about those conditions,
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  Speaker 7: that he had with the Palestinian Authority. Why didn't he
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  Speaker 7: wait for the conditions to be met and then recognise
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  Speaker 7: the Palestinian state? Because anyone could have told him, and
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure his advisers did tell him, that there was
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  Speaker 7: not the slightest prospect on God's green earth of any
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  Speaker 7: of those conditions being met. Mind you, having said that, Andrew,
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  Speaker 7: I'm glad that Mahmoud Abbas isn't holding elections because God
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  Speaker 7: knows who would be elected to run that territory if
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  Speaker 7: they had free elections. The last time Gaza had a
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  Speaker 7: free election, It elected Hamas. And throughout the Arab world,
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  Speaker 7: the only nations which work really are the monarchies. And
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  Speaker 7: then one tear down from them are what you might
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  Speaker 7: call the benevolent military dictatorships. I mean, I can't think
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  Speaker 7: of a functioning, effective democracy. There are free elections in Jordan,
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  Speaker 7: but really the place is run by the king. That's
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  Speaker 7: the one promise I don't mind the Palestinian Authority reneging on.
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  Speaker 7: But the other promises... I mean, if Albanese believed him,
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  Speaker 7: he's a bigger fool than I believe he was. But
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  Speaker 7: I think it was entirely cynical. I don't think he
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  Speaker 7: believed that any of those promises would be fulfilled, nor
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  Speaker 7: does he really care about demonising Israel. This is just
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  Speaker 7: tawdry domestic politics seeking the Muslim vote and seeking the
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  Speaker 7: green vote. And, you know, he couldn't care less about
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  Speaker 7: the effects on the Jewish community or Australian social cohesion
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  Speaker 7: as a result of what he did.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, if he really was serious, those were
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  Speaker 1: the promises in which he based recognition of a Palestinian state.
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  Speaker 1: Now that it's been proven, you know, that it's been cheated,
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  Speaker 1: lied to his face and that elections won't be held,
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  Speaker 1: he should withdraw that recognition right now. Absolutely, right now,
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  Speaker 1: withdraw it. Another threat to our wellbeing, Donald Trump started
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  Speaker 1: but did not finish the war with Iran. You've now
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  Speaker 1: got Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen now smashing Trump's key
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  Speaker 1: Arab ally, Saudi Arabia, twice on the weekend, blasting its
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  Speaker 1: main airport at Riyadh, killing 12 people, including a US citizen.
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  Speaker 1: Trump has lost control of this war, Greg.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you're right, Andrew. And, you know, it's the old
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  Speaker 7: Pottery Barn rule, if you break it, you own it.
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  Speaker 2: He never.
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  Speaker 7: Got his... system working. You see, Trump has really destroyed
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  Speaker 7: the US system. The National Security Council now doesn't really exist.
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  Speaker 7: The Pentagon has been hollowed out at the top levels. Now,
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  Speaker 7: the American system prior to Trump was the most effective
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  Speaker 7: system in the world. And they would war game matters
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  Speaker 7: like this. And they would know what they were going
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  Speaker 7: to do about the Houthis. They would know what they're
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  Speaker 7: going to do about the Iranians if they took control
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  Speaker 7: of the Hormuz Strait. Trump told us in all seriousness,
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  Speaker 7: this war was going to last for six to eight weeks,
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  Speaker 7: or was it four to six weeks?
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  Speaker 2: It's now in its eighth month.
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  Speaker 1: Four to six.
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  Speaker 7: The tragedy is that there's nothing that Trump says which
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  Speaker 7: has any consequence anymore. And I think he is behaving,
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  Speaker 7: you know, it doesn't give me any pleasure to say this.
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  Speaker 7: I thought Biden was a terrible president and Trump offered
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  Speaker 7: something better. And there are good elements of his coalition
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  Speaker 7: and good elements of his program. But he is just
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  Speaker 7: reckless and irresponsible and He can never see anything through
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  Speaker 7: to a conclusion. Nothing that he promised you ever actually
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  Speaker 7: comes to fruition. And this is just part of the
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  Speaker 7: dangerous circumstances we live in today. And with our static
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  Speaker 7: defence budget, now hopeless domestic security, we are not doing
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  Speaker 7: anything to help ourselves in this circumstance.
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  Speaker 1: I think he'll be forced to come to Saudi Arabia's
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  Speaker 1: aid since it's getting the backlash of the war that
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  Speaker 1: he started and i thought it was a war that
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  Speaker 1: had a noble aim he just hasn't seen it through
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  Speaker 1: or persecuted or prosecuted it properly enough but he will
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  Speaker 1: now be forced i think to come to saudi arabia's
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  Speaker 1: aim uh help so god knows where this is going
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  Speaker 1: to end greg sheridan thank you so much for your
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  Speaker 1: time and listen i know there are a lot of
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  Speaker 1: trump fans i was a trump supporter initially but something
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  Speaker 1: is going seriously wrong there. I have to say another
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  Speaker 1: aspect of it. He's made a deal with Russian war
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  Speaker 1: criminal Vladimir Putin to buy diesel from Russia to lower prices,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: to lower world diesel prices, because those prices are killing
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  Speaker 1: him in America ahead of next month's midterm elections, which
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  Speaker 1: he looks like losing. He is feeding the Russian war machine.
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  Speaker 1: And again, so grotesquely blaming Ukraine's President Zelensky for not
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  Speaker 1: surrendering to Russia and calling even on Zelensky to resign.
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  Speaker 4: Russia would like to make a deal. But as I said,
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  Speaker 4: this is something that could have been solved many times,
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  Speaker 4: but for whatever reason, Zelensky does not want.
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  Speaker 2: To make a deal.
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  Speaker 4: And if you look at the odds, you know, you're
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  Speaker 4: talking about millions more soldiers on one side than the other.
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  Speaker 4: I think it would have been smart. If he would have.
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  Speaker 6: Made a deal.
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  Speaker 4: Two years ago, he would have been a lot better off.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Trump is being a fool and a hypocrite. If he
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: thinks Zelensky should end this war with Russia by surrendering
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: his country, why doesn't Trump end his war with Iran
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: by surrendering too? After the break, is the coalition on
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: the rise? And why Josh Fryenberg is in fact now
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: helping Labor to keep it down?
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: The latest news.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Poll might show that One Nation is coming a bit
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: off the boil. Labor is back in the lead, but
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: still at a miserable 29%. One Nation fell a little,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: but still an astonishing, I guess, 28%. Astonishing for One Nation,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: that is. And the coalition is still lagging far back
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: at 20%, although it is slowly, very slowly, making up
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: some ground. In fact, though, another poll done for Capital
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Brief said today shows.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: The Nationals now coming.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Back in rural and regional Australia, with One Nation losing 7%
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: of support there. Well, that's just one poll, but very interesting.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Mind you, opposition leader Angus Taylor wouldn't need reminding that
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: he is still under the pump. On Saturday, he turned
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: up at the... Conservative political action conference, a big thing,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: a big gathering of the right in Brisbane, and almost
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: no one stood up to cheer him.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: But when Pauline Hanson showed.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Up, the crowd went nuts. She's a superstar, at least
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: on the right. But Taylor's problems have now been made
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: worse by an extraordinary act of selfishness by former Liberal
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Treasurer Josh Frydenberg. Frydenberg lost his seat four years ago
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: to Teal Independent Monique Ryan and hasn't dared yet stand
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: against her again. But he has now written a memoir
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: called The Grateful Son, which is a job application to
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: become the Liberals' new leader.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Very kind of him.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Although, of course, the noise is doing that, but everyone
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: knows what Frydenberg is up to, especially when he makes
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: it clear in the book and in his interviews that
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: the Liberals under Taylor are cactus.
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: Polls are showing that the Liberal Party is at an
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: all-time low. And so things have to change because there's
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: something existential about the threat that I think the party
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: now faces.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And he's even got a manifesto in his book, just
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: so you know what he'd do as Prime Minister. But
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I think it's selfish because fancy kicking the party like
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: this when you haven't even dared yet to run for.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: An election to fix it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: And when You made all the mistakes as Treasurer that
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Angus Taylor kindly pointed out at that conference on Saturday,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: backing net zero, promising more immigration, and this, the big one.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: But we made the mistake of spending too much during
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the pandemic, more than was needed to save jobs and
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the economy. I should make clear that Taylor didn't actually
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: mention Frydenberg by name, but we get the message. But
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: what makes Frydenberg's offer to be a leader even crazier
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: is that the manifesto he now lays out is already
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: being used to attack the Liberals and weaken Taylor even more.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Frydenberg actually thinks the Liberals should promise to raise the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: GST to fund income tax and health care.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Taylor has said no.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: But Labor used Frydenberg's manifesto to make the Liberals look
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: like a threat and a mess.
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: We know those opposite love lifting taxes and so it's
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: no surprise that Mr Frydenberg has recently penned a book
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: on a higher GST. You've got Josh Frydenberg, a predecessor,
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: out there, out there, out there, campaigning openly, campaigning openly
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: against the front bench on the other side, saying that
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: they're not up to it. calling for an increase in
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: the GST, most remarkably, actually saying that they spent too
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: much and wasted money during the COVID crisis.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: If only Mr.
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: Frydenberg was in a position to have some influence.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Joining me is Michael Kroger, former President of the Victorian Liberals,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and Steve Conroy, former Labor Senator and Cabinet Minister. Michael,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: can Josh Frydenberg save the Liberals or is he just
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: helping to destroy them?
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Should he piss or get off the pot?
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: Well, Andrew, I think your editorial was far too harsh,
• 24:38
  Speaker 10: to be honest, on Josh. I mean, he's a former
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: Treasurer releasing a book. Of course, he's a national figure.
• 24:45
  Speaker 10: He gives some comments about future policies, and only one
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: was specific. The rest were deliberately vague, as I understand,
• 24:54
  Speaker 10: because if he put out a full manifesto, then he
• 24:56
  Speaker 10: would be accused of undermining Angus Taylor, which I do
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: not think for a minute he's doing or trying to do.
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: That's not what he's trying to do here. And it's
• 25:07
  Speaker 10: very easy to say, you know, after the pandemic, we
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: spent too much. We all know that now. But of course,
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: we shouldn't be lectured by Albanese who wanted to spend
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: more on more on JobKeeper, he wanted to keep it
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: going longer, include casual workers, more on rental assistance. We
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: would have been tens of billions of dollars more in
• 25:25
  Speaker 10: debt if we'd let Jim Chalmers and Albanese have the reins.
• 25:29
  Speaker 10: But what we did get wrong, as Angus quite correctly
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: points out, we completely got immigration wrong and they got
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: net zero wrong. But as for the pandemic spending, well,
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: no one knew at the time where the limits were
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: of this pandemic. So it's very easy for people to
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: be wise after the event on spending. Yeah, we all
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: know that now. But at the time, you know, people
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: forget very easily.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Well, Angus Taylor is wise now too. He says it.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: But anyway, look, I have to say, Stephen, I'm told
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: by Michael, I'm too hard on Josh Frydenberg, some of
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the liberals, influential liberals, liberals in the machine that have
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: contacted me today say exactly the same.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: What do you make of it?
• 26:22
  Speaker 11: Well, I think all political parties agree have a curse
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: of former MPs, ministers, prime ministers who want to join
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: the book club. And it's very rare that these books
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: don't promote that individual's own perspective, as opposed to perhaps
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: what happened in a more collective circumstances. So, you know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 11: I hope Josh decides to run. I think he's still
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: got a lot to contribute in the public area, but
• 26:52
  Speaker 11: that'll be... his own personal decision. But speculating around increasing
• 26:58
  Speaker 11: a GST is toxic poison. No matter what anyone wants
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: to say, Angus absolutely jumped on it. But what you
• 27:05
  Speaker 11: know is just raising the GST is in the Liberal
• 27:08
  Speaker 11: Party DNA. You've got Tim Wilson, you've got Josh. And
• 27:13
  Speaker 11: I'm sure the truth is Angus would do it if
• 27:15
  Speaker 11: he thought he could get away with it. So I
• 27:18
  Speaker 11: think on balance, I'm never a fan of people who
• 27:21
  Speaker 11: want to write books about themselves and their opinion of
• 27:23
  Speaker 11: the past. It usually just is something to justify their
• 27:26
  Speaker 11: own perspective, irrespective of the facts along the way.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: See, what I think is irresponsible of Josh Frydenberg here
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: is that.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Weakening Angus Taylor's position, he is weakening the Liberals, he's
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: given the Labor government a cudgel to smash the Liberals
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: over the skull with, this GST thing, but he hasn't
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: yet committed to going into politics to then undo the damage,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: to fix it, to do a better job.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Michael, that's what I'm saying. Piss will get off the pot.
• 28:04
  Speaker 10: Well, press elections aren't open, so he can't nominate for
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: a seat. this early anyway. He didn't last time. 18 months. Well,
• 28:16
  Speaker 10: he didn't last time. Don't forget, Andrew, he's the head
• 28:21
  Speaker 10: of Goldman Sachs in Australia. I mean, as soon as
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: he announces something, he would have to sand down his
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: head of Goldman Sachs. It's not that easy in the
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: position he's in, you know, to just sort of walk
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: away from his responsibilities to that global organisation and all
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: of its Clients, you can't just sort of 18 months
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: ahead and say, I might be running. No, I think
• 28:43
  Speaker 10: you've overcooked this argument, Andrew. You wait, you wait. You
• 28:51
  Speaker 10: say people have contacted you and I read in the
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: paper that some liberals wouldn't want Josh Frydenberg back. Well,
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: that we would be so lucky that you wouldn't need
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: someone of Frydenberg's talent. I think Frydenberg.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: My point is, if he's going to do this, then
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: go through it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: He'd be a great acquisition to Angus's team.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Then go through with it. No, no, no, mate. It's just, again, boom,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: blowing it up and seeing which way the pieces fall.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Of course you're agreeing with him, Stephen. I think you're right, Andrew.
• 29:23
  Speaker 10: He's being a bit cute.
• 29:25
  Speaker 11: Josh could say he would like to return to Parliament.
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: He doesn't have to nominate a seat. He doesn't have
• 29:30
  Speaker 11: to say it's Kuyong. But he could say he would
• 29:32
  Speaker 11: like to, you know, make another contribution.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: He can do that.
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: Everyone knows that. It's hardly a secret.
• 29:40
  Speaker 11: Well, saying it in that specific way means I'm nominating
• 29:44
  Speaker 11: for a seat. And then there'll be a lot of
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: speculation about which seat. So I think, you know, I'm
• 29:49
  Speaker 11: leaning more your way, Andrew, that he does need to
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: say he's going to do it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: Of course you're leaning Andrew's way.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I have to say Michael's right that you would
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: say that, wouldn't you, Steve?
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: But there you go.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: But, Michael, the polls, the polls, do they suggest to
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: you that bit by bit, you know, inch by inch,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: when he probably needs to go kilometre by kilometre, that
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Angus Taylor is dragging the Liberals back into almost contention?
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: So, yes, and it's a little bit the same what's
• 30:25
  Speaker 10: happening in Victoria. The One Nation vote in the Victorian
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: state election, which is on next month, is slightly weakening.
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: I don't think it's a reflection on One Nation. It
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: is partly a reflection on Labor because they're in government,
• 30:35
  Speaker 10: federal and state. But I think it's a realisation of this.
• 30:38
  Speaker 10: People know Australia is so broken, so bashed, destroyed by
• 30:45
  Speaker 10: these Labor governments, immigration, mass immigration, crime, Islamic extremism, The
• 30:51
  Speaker 10: budget deficits, the deaths, social cohesion, the list is endless. Housing,
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: the collapse in the housing market, the increase in inflation,
• 31:00
  Speaker 10: interest rates, the list goes on. I think people intuitively
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: realise you need a Jess Wilson majority Liberal National Party
• 31:06
  Speaker 10: government in Victoria because you couldn't have a new Victorian
• 31:10
  Speaker 10: government with a minority in both houses. And then they
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: look at Taylor and they think, well, this guy's a
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: Rhodes Scholar. He knows something about economics. You probably need
• 31:20
  Speaker 10: a Taylor... rather than a Hanson or an Albanese in Chalmers.
• 31:24
  Speaker 10: You need someone who can run the place without having
• 31:28
  Speaker 10: to pander to a minority party every time you need
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: a vote on something. So as people realise how bad
• 31:34
  Speaker 10: the country is... They want to gravitate.
• 31:36
  Speaker 11: Is that a sales pitch for Josh?
• 31:37
  Speaker 10: to a majority.
• 31:38
  Speaker 11: Michael's now an official Josh boost guy.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: LAUGHTER Thank you, Stephen. Look, I'm sorry I'm out of time.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I'll let you end with that lovely quip. Thank you
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: so much indeed for your time, Steve Conroy and Michael Craig.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it. After the break, the Prime Minister stars in
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: another comedy routine to win the youth vote. But is
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: this going to cost them the serious vote, the mature one,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the old people's vote too? The Albanese government is plainly
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: terrible at running an economy, terrible at making us safer militarily,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: terrible at wasting money on green schemes. But what it
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: is great at is kicking liberals and getting elected. Or
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: has it lost even that touch? You take Anthony Albanese's
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: latest attempt to win the youth vote. Sure, he got
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: burned with Nicky Osborne, you know, when he said he'd
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: like to shag Kylie Minogue and He made crude jokes
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: about the Japanese Prime Minister's melons. But Albanese's got back
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: on that horse by filming this skit with popular social
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: media duo Swag on the beat.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Are you nervous? Nah, I'm pretty good with parents. What
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: did you say he does again? Uh, he's his own boss. Right,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: like what I'm going to be with my crypto course. Hello, darling. Dad!
• 33:02
  Speaker 12: And who's this?
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Dad, this is my boyfriend James. Well, nice to.
• 33:06
  Speaker 13: Meet you, mate.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: You are meeting me. Bear in mind, I'm very protective
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: of my daughter.
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: And if you break her heart, I can reinstate your
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: hex debt.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: So good to see you.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: So good to see you.
• 33:26
  Speaker 14: Too.
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: Brought to you by the Australian Government Swag.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Joining me are Lisa Goddard, former foreign correspondent, founder of
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Edonia Media, and Peter McGorran, former federal nationals minister. Lisa,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: is this fiddling while Rome burns, or does it add
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: votes for Labor?
• 33:44
  Speaker 14: Oh, Andrew, can I add one thing to the intro
• 33:46
  Speaker 14: that you just did when you listed off all of
• 33:47
  Speaker 14: the terrible things that Albanese has done? He is terrible
• 33:51
  Speaker 14: when it comes to social media. Whoever is advising him
• 33:54
  Speaker 14: right now needs to just not be putting these offers
• 33:57
  Speaker 14: in front of him because he clearly does not have
• 33:59
  Speaker 14: the smarts to say, you know what, that doesn't look good.
• 34:02
  Speaker 14: I might be out there trying to make myself look
• 34:04
  Speaker 14: hip and cool to the young people, but it isn't working.
• 34:07
  Speaker 14: And quite frankly, it's incredibly embarrassing. So if he's going
• 34:11
  Speaker 14: to talk about, hey, nod, nod, wink, wink, I can
• 34:13
  Speaker 14: reinstate your HECS debt, how about, Prime Minister, you look
• 34:17
  Speaker 14: at reinstating the things that really matter in this country,
• 34:19
  Speaker 14: like reinstating the negative gearing rules like they were, reinstating
• 34:23
  Speaker 14: the promise that the electricity bills will be cut by $ 275.
• 34:27
  Speaker 14: Make some real promises and give up the comedic act
• 34:29
  Speaker 14: because it is not working.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: But, Peter, maybe politics has changed from when you were
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: a king at this business. Maybe you do have to
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: get noticed like that, or do you think you don't
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: want to get noticed when you're making a tit of yourself? I.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: I disagree with Lisa. I think it's an unqualified success politically.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: I think it's as funny as a hole in the head.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: But the duo, the comedic duo that Albanese appeared on,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: and remember, he was heavily scripted. he couldn't make a
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: mistake on this, are incredibly popular.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: They've got more.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Than 1.5 million Instagram followers. They've got more than 1.5
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: million followers on TikTok. There's been more than 100,000 likes
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: of it. Very little kickback for being political. They are
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: incredibly successful.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: They're non-political.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: They ridicule many aspects of Australian traditional life, but with
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: a light touch.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Young people are not tuning into mainstream media. They're not
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: listening to AM radio. They are not buying newspapers and
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: they're not watching TV bulletins. This worked this time. But,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: of course, the bloke's got no comedic talent himself. And
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Albanese sooner or later will make another social media mistake.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: But this wasn't it.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: What he wants... It's frightening to think that elections get
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: decided by people whose vote relies on that material, that
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: that is what makes them.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Vote one way or the other. That's a frightening thought. But, Lisa,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I've had.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: A fierce argument, criticism from Michael Kroger there that it's
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: been too hard on Josh Frydenberg.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 36:19
  Speaker 14: I think Josh Frydenberg is already on the campaign trail.
• 36:22
  Speaker 14: I think as soon as that book was launched, we
• 36:24
  Speaker 14: knew that he was raising his flag and saying, I'm
• 36:27
  Speaker 14: coming for you. And if I was Angus Taylor and
• 36:29
  Speaker 14: the lacklustre performance I think he's had so far, I'd
• 36:32
  Speaker 14: be very worried because you have an awful lot of
• 36:35
  Speaker 14: Liberal voters out there who are heading to One Nation
• 36:37
  Speaker 14: because they've quite simply just given up on the Liberal Party.
• 36:40
  Speaker 14: And when you listen to Angus Taylor, it seems to
• 36:43
  Speaker 14: be one slogan after another, after another, and no real substance.
• 36:47
  Speaker 14: And they seem to be late on the party on everything.
• 36:49
  Speaker 14: I think Josh Frydenberg shows leadership. It will take some
• 36:53
  Speaker 14: time because, as you say, we're a fair way out
• 36:55
  Speaker 14: from the election now. So as was explained in the
• 36:57
  Speaker 14: previous panel, why would he put his hand up now
• 36:59
  Speaker 14: and say, yep, I'm ready, I'm going to go for
• 37:02
  Speaker 14: pre-selection and put aside the huge amount of money he'd
• 37:05
  Speaker 14: be making now in the private sector. But if you're
• 37:08
  Speaker 14: a betting person, I would say, no doubt, he will
• 37:10
  Speaker 14: be the one putting his hand up to say, I'm
• 37:12
  Speaker 14: coming back and I want the top job.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: The small problem is first got to win the seat
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: of Kuyong and that's going to be really hard.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Peter, what did you make of it?
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Am I too hard on.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Josh Frydenberg, you know, piling in on Angus Taylor when
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: he hasn't even put up his hand up to win
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: a seat?
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Probably a tad too hard, Andrew, simply because Josh Frydenberg,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: for all of his faults, and you have written about them,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: particularly during the COVID era, is a substantial politician. Most
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: of the people we have in government and many in
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: opposition are inconsequential politicians, a lot of it because of
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: their non-small business or commercial or real-life experience experience. So
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: we should welcome someone like Josh Frydenberg coming forward. But
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: it's too early, I believe, to be flagging his ambitions
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: and intentions. So aggressively, when Andrew.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Andrew Taylor, deserves longer.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying you leave him there.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: If he's a dud, as Lisa believes, of course, you'll
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: have to replace him, but it's too early. He's got
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: at least another six months to be able to prove himself.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I must say that Tim Wilson....
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Tim Wilson, though, he spent the entire period in opposition
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: fighting to win back his seat from another Teal.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Long before an election. I think for three years he
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: was doing it. So I think that's a slight difference here. Meanwhile, Lisa,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: there's something that really deserves me. I've already had two
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: goes at Donald Trump. Loyal viewers will be saying they're
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: loyal no longer. I'll get the normal abuse. How dare you?
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  Speaker 1: This man's a god. He's a genius playing 4D chess
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  Speaker 1: in outer space. I backed him as clearly the best
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  Speaker 1: choice in the last presidential election, but I've got to
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  Speaker 1: say he's.
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  Speaker 2: Look, well, check this.
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  Speaker 1: His poll numbers ahead of the election next month are
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  Speaker 1: so terrible that his team have tried for the ultimate
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  Speaker 1: distraction for voters angry about the rising cost of living.
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  Speaker 1: His Defence Secretary, Pete Hegseth, has now ordered that the
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  Speaker 1: execution of Nidal Mohamed Hassan, he's the Muslim soldier who
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  Speaker 1: killed 13 other soldiers at Fort Hood, be live-streamed by
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  Speaker 1: firing squad, you know. Death by firing squad on December 3, live-streamed,
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  Speaker 1: including potentially to Australia, strikes me as gross. Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: says he's deciding whether they're OK with this. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's testing the wind. What's your advice about this?
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  Speaker 14: Let's put the whole capital punishment argument to one side
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  Speaker 14: on this and, yeah, let's talk about whether it should
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  Speaker 14: be live streamed or not. I think that there would
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  Speaker 14: be a lot of people who would say, you know what,
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  Speaker 14: we need to show that we are taking this seriously
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  Speaker 14: because my fear is that we sanitise far too much.
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  Speaker 14: So if you think back to 2024 in this country
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  Speaker 14: and it was live streamed when a bishop here in
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  Speaker 14: Sydney was stabbed... And there was an awful lot of
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  Speaker 14: effort put into trying to pull that down. I think
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  Speaker 14: X was the only platform that kept that up. So
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  Speaker 14: we're not allowed to see what happens when there is
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  Speaker 14: a terrorist attack. And then when you have a terrorist
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  Speaker 14: who has been found, and it's important through military processes
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  Speaker 14: to be put to death, we're not allowed to see that. Now,
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  Speaker 14: people should have free choice to see whether if they
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  Speaker 14: want to see what the repercussions of this are.
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  Speaker 2: And, yes, Andrew, it is gross.
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  Speaker 14: And if people are going to tune in, I think
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  Speaker 14: that should be their choice. But the risk is does
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  Speaker 14: it become propaganda for the other side? But we have
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  Speaker 14: to say we are at effectively a war against extreme Islam.
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  Speaker 14: So you need to be able to say we're taking
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  Speaker 14: it seriously and this is the consequence.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Peter McGoran, I'm out of time, but I do quickly
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  Speaker 1: want to hear from you on this.
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  Speaker 3: It's not going to happen, Andrew. It's just part, as
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  Speaker 3: you suggest, of his political distractions. He does it every day.
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  Speaker 3: He talks to the media three or four times a day.
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  Speaker 3: It's to suck up all the oxygen from any of
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  Speaker 3: his opponents. And above all else, I believe his religious
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  Speaker 3: base will step in and prevent it if it were
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  Speaker 3: ever a real possibility, which I doubt that it was.
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  Speaker 2: Hegseth would do it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't believe Trump or his cabinet would.
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  Speaker 1: I think it just brutalises and really brutalises society myself.
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  Speaker 1: But Lisa Goddard, Peter McGorran, thank you very much to
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  Speaker 1: you both. After the break, Prince Harry defies the king
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  Speaker 1: and holds what's looking like, or is about to, his
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  Speaker 1: first royal tour back in Britain. Well, one bit of
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  Speaker 1: good news from Britain. The leader of its Green Party,
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  Speaker 1: Zach Polanski, has lost his bid to get into Parliament
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  Speaker 1: after whipping up the anti-Israel and, let's be frank, the
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  Speaker 1: anti-Jewish vote so recklessly, irresponsibly. He was beaten by a
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  Speaker 1: Labor candidate, by a former asylum seeker from Sudan, in
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  Speaker 1: the by-election for the seat of dumped Prime Minister Keir Starmer.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me from London is Talk TV host Samara Gill. Samara,
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  Speaker 1: great to see you again. Does this prove that pandering
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  Speaker 1: to Jew haters, which people like Zoram Mandani in New
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  Speaker 1: York has done so successfully, pandering to Jew haters and
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  Speaker 1: to anti-Israel hysterics, at least here does not pay?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a really good question, Andrew, because I feel
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  Speaker 13: like the Labor Party was so smart with how they
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  Speaker 13: played this election with that former asylum seeker winning. I
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  Speaker 13: think that is who those factions will vote for. And
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  Speaker 13: the Green Party, my God, they took it so far.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, To give the audience context, you know, they
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  Speaker 13: voted for a motion that said Zionism is racism and
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  Speaker 13: that Israel should basically not exist.
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  Speaker 5: So they want a one-state.
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  Speaker 13: Solution, and that is their official party policy, and they
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  Speaker 13: want Israel to essentially be occupied by Hamas or whoever
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  Speaker 13: the Palestinian government of.
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  Speaker 5: The day is.
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  Speaker 13: So this is really radical stuff if you look into it.
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  Speaker 13: And honestly, they've gone from the party of rivers and
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  Speaker 13: seas caring about the environment.
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  Speaker 5: to the river to the.
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  Speaker 13: Sea and the obliteration of Israel as a state. And
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  Speaker 13: I think even Zach Polanski received a taste of his
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  Speaker 13: own medicine there. He didn't even show up to the motion.
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  Speaker 5: He is Jewish. And I think he was almost.
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  Speaker 13: Horrified by how far gone his party has become.
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  Speaker 5: But that's because of his horrific leadership.
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  Speaker 13: And the fact that he can't control a party which
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  Speaker 13: has spun out of control. And what we're hearing now
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  Speaker 13: is Mothin Ali, his deputy leader, who is someone who
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  Speaker 13: forced a rabbi into hiding because he called him many
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  Speaker 13: different things, but among them, you know, completely vile for
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  Speaker 13: serving in the IDF. He might potentially be the new
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  Speaker 13: leader of the Green Party. So we're seeing that, of course,
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  Speaker 13: as per usual, the left is better at tactical voting.
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  Speaker 13: They're much better at saying, OK, let's just get a
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  Speaker 13: Labor person in if it's going to be Greens or Labor.
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  Speaker 5: But Zach Polanski's ruined it for himself, Andrew. He really has.
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  Speaker 5: They've gone way too far.
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  Speaker 1: I hope this is the start of a no to
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  Speaker 1: the greens from the river to the sea, the river
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  Speaker 1: being the Thames and the sea the North Sea. Prince
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  Speaker 1: Harry is back living in England, turned up to a
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  Speaker 1: rugby match where I read in one newspaper, Samara, he
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  Speaker 1: was booed. But I went looking.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see any footage of this. I wonder, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: if that's a lie.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and he does seem confident enough in the public
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  Speaker 1: to say to he and wife Meghan Markle to plan
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  Speaker 1: what's very much looking like a royal tour this week
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  Speaker 1: of Nottingham, despite the King announcing that people should not
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  Speaker 1: treat them as royals.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on here?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, this is pretty outrageous.
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  Speaker 13: He is basically, as you said, you know, defying the
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  Speaker 13: king's wishes here. The king only a month ago released
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  Speaker 13: a statement saying these are private citizens and they should
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  Speaker 13: be treated as such. And what Harry and Meghan are
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  Speaker 13: doing recklessly is using the UK as their sort of
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  Speaker 13: pocket purse and profiteering from their pseudo royal status. And
• 45:38
  Speaker 13: that's exactly what Harry's doing with this tour of Nottingham. even,
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  Speaker 13: to be honest, the Invictus Games in some sort of way.
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  Speaker 13: And you've got Meghan appearing at Claridge's having tea with
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  Speaker 13: Malala Yousafzai, using her effectively to try and sell more jam,
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  Speaker 13: be it that she said every pot of jam she
• 45:55
  Speaker 13: sells on International Women's Day is going to be, you know,
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  Speaker 13: the profits are going to go to Malala's charity.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, for goodness sake. It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, honestly, I really, really think that what they're
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  Speaker 13: doing is tawdry, and it's exactly what the late queen
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  Speaker 13: did not want. She did say, I do not want
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  Speaker 13: them to be one foot in, one foot out royals.
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  Speaker 13: That was almost her dying wish. And what they're doing
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  Speaker 13: is completely sullying that wish. And it's horrendous, honestly.
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  Speaker 5: It really, really is, Andrew.
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  Speaker 1: Prince Harry's also going to play more of those race
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  Speaker 1: games that he loves, a that, of course, he started
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  Speaker 1: off with a bang with that Oprah Winfrey interview where
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  Speaker 1: the two of them claimed that the royal family was racist,
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  Speaker 1: is now helping the BBC make a documentary on race.
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  Speaker 2: What is this about?
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  Speaker 13: I mean, this is really about Baroness Lawrence, who he
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  Speaker 13: used to sue the Daily Mail with.
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  Speaker 5: She was actually called in court a trophy claimant.
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  Speaker 13: So everyone's well aware that Harry uses and abuses these people,
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  Speaker 13: along with Elton John.
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  Speaker 5: And she was dragged through that case with him.
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  Speaker 13: And now, you know, they're all getting slammed with legal bills.
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  Speaker 13: And honestly, Harry needs to really decide which side of
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  Speaker 13: the fence he is on, because just last week he
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  Speaker 13: said that he may apologize to William and Catherine for
• 47:17
  Speaker 13: what he put them through over that Oprah racism comment.
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  Speaker 13: So he needs to decide, is the royal family racist
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  Speaker 13: or not? And I don't understand why they continue to
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  Speaker 13: drag race into it. I mean, there's, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 13: zero evidence. You know, the media loved Meghan, for example,
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  Speaker 13: and they loved what she was doing when she married
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  Speaker 13: into the royal family. And it was their actions that
• 47:38
  Speaker 13: caused the public to go against them. So the race
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  Speaker 13: card should not be used here. And the BBC, of course,
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  Speaker 13: it's the apparatus that Harry goes to use and peddle
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  Speaker 13: his sort of untruths, to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: Samara Gill, thank you so much indeed for your time.
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  Speaker 1: You're spot on, of course. Thank you so much. One
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  Speaker 1: last thing. The Royal Commission is holding another day of hearings,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: secret hearings, this time at the Bondi Massacre. It seems
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  Speaker 1: it's going to focus on the intelligence warnings and how
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  Speaker 1: they were reacted to or not. And again, no deep
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: dive into Islam, as Pauline Hanson mentioned just today.
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  Speaker 12: I'll get more confidence when on top of the ASIO
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  Speaker 12: and AFP, you call in some of these hate preachers,
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  Speaker 12: some of these people that have been on the streets,
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  Speaker 12: these imams and clerics, and why have they been preaching
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  Speaker 12: their hate?
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  Speaker 5: Find out the background.
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  Speaker 12: Why so much radicalisation?
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  Speaker 2: I think that's absolutely correct.
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  Speaker 1: And they perhaps could ask why the government should be
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: handing $ 68, 000 grants to the Islamic Centre, I mentioned at
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: the top of the show. Magnet for some terrorists, it seems.
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  Speaker 1: Up next is Shari Markson's special sit-down with former Federal
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Treasurer Josh Frydenberg.
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  Speaker 2: Good night.