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Ep. 89 : What We Got Wrong · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode eighty nine of Cards
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  Speaker 1: and Categories. I'm my cool Ard from Rasball, joined as
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  Speaker 1: always by my very good friend Jeremy Burer, also from Rasball.
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  Speaker 1: How are you doing tonight, Buddy, doing doing well?
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  Speaker 2: Very excited about this pod because I can ignore my
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  Speaker 2: lineups for the night and we can talk about baseball.
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  Speaker 2: So I've been watching all my poor choices and how
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  Speaker 2: they were playing tonight. So I'm excited to be here,
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  Speaker 2: Excited to make some better choices with my fantasy baseball
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  Speaker 2: lineups after this pod, because I don't think like I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna learn so much.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we are going to have a pretty fun pod,
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  Speaker 1: I think in terms of reevaluating ourselves a month in
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  Speaker 1: which I mean this is dangerous considering some of the
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  Speaker 1: takes that we had in our preview pods happened oh
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  Speaker 1: month before spring training even started, so we were flying
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  Speaker 1: a little bit blind. But still, like you would think
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  Speaker 1: that if we're going to tout ourselves as fantasy experts,
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  Speaker 1: I mean we are at rasball dot com, you would
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  Speaker 1: think that we would have maybe slightly better takes. But well,
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  Speaker 1: I guess I mean maybe to pat ourselves on the back,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. When we did go through when I
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  Speaker 1: went through some of our takes from earlier in the
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  Speaker 1: previous season, we had quite a few good ones. So,
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  Speaker 1: like I think there were quite a few hits, quite
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  Speaker 1: a few winners. But we're gonna evaluate maybe where we
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  Speaker 1: missed tonight in terms of players that we missed on,
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  Speaker 1: or just kind of overall approaches and strategy that we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna tweak going forward and kind of see what we
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  Speaker 1: can learn, because I mean, that's really the only way
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  Speaker 1: to get better at this is kind of evaluate what
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  Speaker 1: has gone wrong and be able to kind of continuously
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  Speaker 1: approve improve on that, to be able to figure out
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  Speaker 1: where your blind spots are, figure out where your strengths are,
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  Speaker 1: and then just kind of evaluate yourself as a fantasy player.
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  Speaker 1: So before we get into that, like I said, we're
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  Speaker 1: speaking on April thirtieth, Wednesday night. Kind of gets me
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  Speaker 1: excited because you know what next week is. It's Player
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  Speaker 1: of the Month PC for the first time as well
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  Speaker 1: as we're gonna have Bowman twenty twenty five previous, so
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be quite the jam packed pod next week.
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  Speaker 1: But we need to get into the discussion of maybe
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  Speaker 1: the greatest catch of all time that I've seen. It
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  Speaker 1: feels like I've perperly given like all of the gifts
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  Speaker 1: and all the highlights that get streamed straight to us
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  Speaker 1: from ESPN. But when this thing came through my alerts
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  Speaker 1: last night, I was like, oh man, just another catch.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure to check out the show notes for this one,
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  Speaker 1: because this is not just another catch. We are talking
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  Speaker 1: about Toronto's Dalton Varshow in center field making an absolute
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  Speaker 1: circus catch, going back, tripping over himself, still catching it
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  Speaker 1: behind his back. So Brew we're putting this like this
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  Speaker 1: is pod canon. Now what do you have to say
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  Speaker 1: about this catch?
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  Speaker 3: Do you?
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  Speaker 1: Every time I watch it, I still can't believen believe
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  Speaker 1: it happened, can you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe it happened. Like, and I know
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  Speaker 2: what's going through his mind. I being an outfielder growing
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  Speaker 2: up myself, that's what I did, and like, I never
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  Speaker 2: did that, let's be very clear, but I remember, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to admit, but there's this like dynamic of the
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  Speaker 2: game goes slow. You know, when we watch the game,
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  Speaker 2: the game seems fast. There's a lot of things happening
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  Speaker 2: when when you're out there and you're playing and you
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  Speaker 2: know this is what you do. Like the game's actually
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  Speaker 2: relatively slow for you. So you know, for Dalton var show,
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  Speaker 2: as he went back, he got his feet tangled up,
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  Speaker 2: he went down. All of it was happening in real time.
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  Speaker 2: There's all the emotions of I've got to beat in
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  Speaker 2: this ball, I'm gonna catch it. All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: what happened? I'm on the ground, How do I react?
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  Speaker 2: Can I still do something? And oddly reaches back and
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  Speaker 2: like back hands the ball out of the air, and
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  Speaker 2: then just pure embarrassment is what then hits. It is
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  Speaker 2: the oh my god, what did I do? I made
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  Speaker 2: the play, but I look like the biggest buffoon in
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  Speaker 2: the world doing it. And you can see the emotion
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  Speaker 2: after he caught this. He tossed it back in. He
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  Speaker 2: didn't even want to smile. He didn't want to smile.
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  Speaker 2: And then you saw it crack of like how ridiculous
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  Speaker 2: this was. He knew that he had just completely messed
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  Speaker 2: up owned it, but yet made an unbelievable play at
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  Speaker 2: the same time. That is the pure genius of Dalton
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  Speaker 2: varshow he is that gold glove caliber outfielder and when
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  Speaker 2: you mess up, you can do amazing things at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, So it was an amazing catch. I think
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  Speaker 2: you're right this oddly rivals like Mike Trout jumping almost
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  Speaker 2: halfway over the wall time to catch the fact that
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  Speaker 2: he was able to pull this off, and so absolutely
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  Speaker 2: love it. It was fantastic to see. I'm probably gonna
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  Speaker 2: watch another ten times a night, just because I still
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  Speaker 2: don't quite understand how he managed to pull that off
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  Speaker 2: the way he did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just the way he almost made it like routine,
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  Speaker 1: even though there was that like embarrassment, Just the way
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  Speaker 1: it was so smooth, the way he kind of backhanded
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  Speaker 1: that ball looking over his shoulder that at this point
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  Speaker 1: they should probably just give him the Platinum Glove because
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who else can pull that off except
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  Speaker 1: for Dalton Varshow, who is just a superb, supreme center fielder.
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  Speaker 1: So I love it, like it's it's gonna be one
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  Speaker 1: of I think the highlights of twenty twenty five that
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  Speaker 1: like we'll kind of remember it and kind of pinpoint
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  Speaker 1: it to this season. But like, if you're a Blue
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  Speaker 1: Jays fan, do not look at the rest of that
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  Speaker 1: box score.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe there was one highlight and you can argue whether
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  Speaker 2: it's a high or lower, a little bit of.
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  Speaker 3: Everything, yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's get into some of the news and
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  Speaker 1: notes that are affecting our fantasy teams out there before
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  Speaker 1: we get into that second half conversation about where we
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  Speaker 1: might have missed in our preview takes. First one out
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  Speaker 1: the gate is we've got a trio of pretty big
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  Speaker 1: picture call ups. A couple of these guys we actually
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  Speaker 1: they were my picks for picks to click in our
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  Speaker 1: preview series. Maybe one of them got a little rattled tonight.
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  Speaker 1: As First, we have aj Bluebaugh from the Houston Astros
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  Speaker 1: made his debut today and it was four innings of
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  Speaker 1: two earned runs. I think it was seven total runs.
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  Speaker 1: Let me check that again. It was seven total runs,
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  Speaker 1: so he kind of really worked through it, but had
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  Speaker 1: six k's against a really good Detroit Tiger's lineup looked
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  Speaker 1: pretty sharp, even though the actual kind of stat line
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  Speaker 1: is blurred by that pretty just like brutal error in
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  Speaker 1: unearned runs. We also had Noah Cameron debut tonight. They're
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  Speaker 1: still playing down in Tampa, and his debut also looked
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  Speaker 1: pretty good. I mean, he wasn't in the strike zone
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  Speaker 1: very much, but I mean you can understand that with
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  Speaker 1: the nerves. Cameron went six and a third, five walks,
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  Speaker 1: three ks, but just one hit against the Tampa Bay
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  Speaker 1: Rays in that George M. Steinberner field. Then the last
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  Speaker 1: one not as great in Cincinnati, Chase Petty tonight got
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  Speaker 1: lit up by the Cardinals, who I mean, they had
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  Speaker 1: a heck of a day with their doubleheader. They pounded
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  Speaker 1: Chase Petty for nine earned runs over two and a third,
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  Speaker 1: seven hits, two walks, three k's. So out of those
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  Speaker 1: three that I just rattled off the which one do
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  Speaker 1: you think has probably the best prospects for twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: five going forward from a fantasy realm? And then maybe
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  Speaker 1: kind of touch a little bit on what you like
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  Speaker 1: in the profiles of the two that you don't pick.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think you know the guy that
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  Speaker 2: I like the most this year and going forward has
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  Speaker 2: to be Noah Cameron for the Royals. As I look
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  Speaker 2: at the profile at what he did, and you called
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  Speaker 2: it out like he struggled with control today, But that's
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  Speaker 2: never been a problem for him, never been a problem
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  Speaker 2: in the minor leagues. He's always been a guy that
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  Speaker 2: keeps it around three K for nine and he absolutely
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  Speaker 2: does a good job striking guys out. He's a ten
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  Speaker 2: to eleven K for nine guy, keeps the ball on
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  Speaker 2: the ground. You know, this year in triple A only
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenties almost sixty percent of the time, but historically
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  Speaker 2: it has been that low forties percent of the time.
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  Speaker 2: So he he has a intriguing profile, and he does
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  Speaker 2: have it's kind of four pitch mix, which which you'd
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  Speaker 2: love to see, you know, from a losty perspective. He
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  Speaker 2: is kind of a lighter thrower, which is what you
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  Speaker 2: what you kind of expect with the guy that's gonna
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  Speaker 2: throw four or five different pitches. So Petty, I think
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  Speaker 2: is is the the second guy that I would look
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  Speaker 2: at there that said, I'm you know, he has the
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  Speaker 2: pedigree first rounder. I do get a little nervous about
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  Speaker 2: that Cincinnati bandbox that he has to go play in
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  Speaker 2: half the time, and his stuff doesn't seem to be
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  Speaker 2: play up quite as well as as Cameron's has in
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  Speaker 2: the in the past. I think that's gonna be something
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  Speaker 2: that does ultimately hurt hurt him. And he he does
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  Speaker 2: have a handful of pitches, but he generally is like
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  Speaker 2: a fastball slider kind of guy. He's he's more of
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  Speaker 2: a two pitch guy than really a deep arsenal guy.
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  Speaker 2: So and then you know, you get to I'm not
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  Speaker 2: even pronounce for a blue Bach here for the astros,
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  Speaker 2: and I this this feels like the typical astro like
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  Speaker 2: farmhand from a picture perspective. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: feel that as well, where it's like a guy that's
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  Speaker 2: got kind of a relatively a a strong arm. He's
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  Speaker 2: in the kind of like mid nineties, he's got a
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  Speaker 2: flyball profile, and he's a little wild like that just
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  Speaker 2: seems to be the kind of thing with you know,
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  Speaker 2: Spencer Orghetti coming up and a lot of other guys
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  Speaker 2: that they've brought through, it just kind of feels like
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  Speaker 2: they're not quite sure and they're kind of living on
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  Speaker 2: the edge trying to get the most out of them.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm taking Cameron here short term and long term.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that Cameron's going to stay up long
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  Speaker 2: because it depends kind of what's going on Cold Reagan's
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  Speaker 2: and how long he's actually out. And they haven't put
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  Speaker 2: him on the injured list, you have to think he's
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  Speaker 2: back before before too long. So that's where I'm out.
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  Speaker 2: How about you? Are you got kind of the same picks?
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  Speaker 2: Are you? Are you seeing something I'm not. It's a
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  Speaker 2: it's a tough equation.
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  Speaker 1: And I think between these three because if we just
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  Speaker 1: went on peer skill without like the team situation around them, Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I think blue Ball would be my first because generate
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  Speaker 1: sixteen whifts today against Detroit. The stuff is really sharp.
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  Speaker 1: It's a six pitch mix, kind of that classic Astros
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  Speaker 1: pipeline of pitching development. I've been really into Ryan Gusto
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  Speaker 1: for the same reasons recently. But it is a packed
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  Speaker 1: rotation there. You have Spencer Araghedty coming back pretty soon.
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  Speaker 1: Lance muc Kuhler's junior is still kind of like rolling
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  Speaker 1: around in that rotation on the injured list. They're already
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  Speaker 1: called up Blue Bot. It's the sixth man in that rotation.
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  Speaker 1: You do wonder if Ronel Blanco might be dustined for
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  Speaker 1: the bullpen here, given Wesnsky looks really good, Gusto looks
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  Speaker 1: really good.
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, blue Ball looks good, you obviously can't.
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  Speaker 1: Hunter Brown is going to maybe win the cy Young,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and so like if it wasn't for that,
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  Speaker 1: Blueball would be my number one pick, But I think
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  Speaker 1: it is Cameron, just like you had number two for me, because,
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  Speaker 1: like I do, I am worried about Cole Reagan's actually
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  Speaker 1: like I'm worried that it's something more significant. This is
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  Speaker 1: a guy who's head to Tommy John surgeries. You worry
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  Speaker 1: about kind of like the strain that that growing is
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  Speaker 1: putting on the rest of his body. And it's just
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  Speaker 1: not that impressive of a rotation on the back end
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  Speaker 1: that like you're having to worry about Noah Cameron like
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  Speaker 1: holding off like Michael Lorenzen could be put in the bullpen.
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  Speaker 1: And on top of that, you also have Lugo and
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  Speaker 1: Waka and Bubich who are either old or coming off
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  Speaker 1: of a TJ and boobage, and so you could see
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  Speaker 1: where like they might move to a six man rotation
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  Speaker 1: to kind of keep people fresher, keep no Cameron around.
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  Speaker 2: Petty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you're in a really deeply great
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  Speaker 1: intrigue there great picture, great situation too. But yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: probably my ranking would go. Like I said, if if
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  Speaker 1: a skills a go blue ball Cameron Petty, if we're
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  Speaker 1: actually just talking like rest of the season value, it
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  Speaker 1: goes you foot flop, blue ball and Cameron.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I did see the news that McColl
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  Speaker 2: are supposed to be back this weekend. What that actually means,
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  Speaker 2: it's a whole different discussion. Yes, so we will see.
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  Speaker 2: But I think all these guys are interesting arms out
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  Speaker 2: there that anybody's immediate pickup or anything like that. Definitely
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  Speaker 2: guys kind of watch to see how things play.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, let's get into the next bit
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  Speaker 1: of news, and it's gonna kick off our kind of
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  Speaker 1: injury discussion. Here we have Logan Gilbert from the Seattle
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  Speaker 1: Mariners going down with a flexure strain.
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  Speaker 3: The fourth picture that was.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of called up recently out of the minor leagues
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  Speaker 1: and came up with some prospect pedigree. Is there in
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  Speaker 1: Seattle Logan Evans, I think a tier below those three
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  Speaker 1: guys we just talked about, even though honestly might have
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  Speaker 1: the most opportunity given George Kirby.
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  Speaker 3: Being out Gilbert being out.
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  Speaker 1: But it is a much more strikeout, uh like, lacking
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  Speaker 1: profile with a lot more contact than Logan Evans, and
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  Speaker 1: you're just kind of relying on that Seattle ballpark to
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  Speaker 1: kind of keep that that ball in the Ballyard, So
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  Speaker 1: what do you make of this situation? This is pretty scary.
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  Speaker 1: This this sets off some flashing lights on Logan Gilbert,
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  Speaker 1: given that it is a flexer strain and maybe my
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  Speaker 1: underselling Logan Evans for you.
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  Speaker 2: I have no problem with your with your position on
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  Speaker 2: Evans here. I think you're you're pretty much spot on there.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm I'm kind of struggling with here with with
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  Speaker 2: Gilbert is he's looked fantastic this season. There's no question
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  Speaker 2: that he has been on. And even when even when
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  Speaker 2: he came out of the game the other day he
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  Speaker 2: had gone three inians, you know, three up, three down,
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  Speaker 2: face total of nine guys, he was pumping up there
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  Speaker 2: in the low nineties like always does. Control was no problem,
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  Speaker 2: Like he's he's been on all season and there hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been really a hint of any performance drop. And then
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  Speaker 2: the reports you're like, oh, it's mild strains, you know,
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  Speaker 2: some tightness, but like it's that ominous tightness and you
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  Speaker 2: just don't know what that means. And I feel like
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna have the same conversation we had about Bradish
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  Speaker 2: and we just tried to do that again about for
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  Speaker 2: the Cubs, why am I blanking on steel names Justin Steele.
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  Speaker 2: Clearly I've just written them off, and so like, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like that's the conversation we're about to go down again.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, are you gonna lay with the guys? Like, ah,
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  Speaker 2: I wait till they say something like it is ominous,
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  Speaker 2: but man, Gilbert's looks so good that I I, this
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  Speaker 2: is blasphemous to say, but I think I would be
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  Speaker 2: actually trying to buy Gilbert right now. Okay, I want
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  Speaker 2: to see it. I want to see if an owner
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  Speaker 2: is is out. I want to see if an owner's
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  Speaker 2: like I can't deal with this, I'm out. I'm selling
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  Speaker 2: them on fifty cents on the dollar type thing, Like
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  Speaker 2: that's a gamble I'm willing to take. Like Gilbert's looks
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  Speaker 2: so good, so useful that if I'm giving up something
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  Speaker 2: mid tier, you know, I'm maybe a third outfielder or
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  Speaker 2: something like that, maybe a back end starting infielder. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's a gamble we're taking because it's you can't
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  Speaker 2: find a guy like Gilbert off the wire, and even
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  Speaker 2: if he come, if he comes, if he's injured for
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  Speaker 2: like three four weeks and he comes back to the
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  Speaker 2: heelth real season, you hit a home run, if he's
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  Speaker 2: it turns out he's out and it's out, you could
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  Speaker 2: probably find you know, there's I hear there's a really
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  Speaker 2: good waiver wire. Call him over a rass ball that
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  Speaker 2: you can read to fill out those needs. So it
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  Speaker 2: feels wrong to say that, but I think I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: at this as a buying opportunity. If there's a desperate
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  Speaker 2: manager out.
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  Speaker 1: There, yeah, I think that's very It's not going to
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  Speaker 1: hurt to check in on the price of Logan Gilbert
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  Speaker 1: just to see where that manager's kind of head at.
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  Speaker 1: It is going to be hard, I think considering it
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  Speaker 1: was a two thirty seven era with a thirteen oh
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  Speaker 1: five K nine over thirty and a third. I mean
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  Speaker 1: that is cy Young level stuff. So it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be I think a tough spot to bargain from. But
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  Speaker 1: you got to wonder, you know where that Logan Gilbert
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  Speaker 1: owner's head is at.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all where it comes down to, is you know,
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  Speaker 2: is this the guy that's that has lost like half
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  Speaker 2: his rotation already and he's just desperate and like, I
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  Speaker 2: can't I can't deal with this anymore. You might find
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  Speaker 2: a bargain. You might also see the opposite where they're
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  Speaker 2: not willing to deal at all at that point. Don't
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  Speaker 2: chase it, don't chase it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's get into our next picture injury, because
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  Speaker 1: I think we might have a little bit slightly different
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  Speaker 1: analysis here. That is the Dodgers Tyler Glass now going
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  Speaker 1: down with right shoulder inflammation. You want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: ominous injuries, that is up there for sure. So this
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  Speaker 1: is just kind of adding to the long list of
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  Speaker 1: injuries that glassnow has had, not only his career but
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  Speaker 1: with the Dodgers in terms of elbow soreness, ended last
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  Speaker 1: year on the elbow, timidonitis, coming off of Tommy John surgery,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: had back issues, and now it's in his shoulder. So
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: this scares the living daylights out of me.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: What about you?
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: We can move on. I'm not really don't need to
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: don't need to talk about it. It's it's a pretty
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: easy discussion here. I'm out fully young Glass now. I
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: get the skills are there, I get that, But that's
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: the same conversation every year. He is such a talented pitcher,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: but he cannot stay healthy. He will not be healthy,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: and you're fooling yourself if you think it is. He
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: has a career high of one hundred and thirty four
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: innings last year. That's a career high and he only
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: made twenty two starts. And he's only you know, he's
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: been in the league since twenty sixteen. I want you
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: to guess the number of seasons less you have it
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: pulled up here, how many seasons has he pitched more
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: fifteen games or more in a season?
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Fifteen games?
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's so that's where sorry games games started
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: because he'd have one season where he was playing in
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: the bullpen. But like, he's had ten major league seasons,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: how many he has had the least fifteen starts? Three twice? Wow,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: last two seasons he's had twenty one and twenty two
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: starts in those seasons. Otherwise he had he's been thirteen, eleven, twelve, eleven,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: fourteen to two. Like, I guess maybe we can say
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: he was healthy the whole twenty twenty COVID season, So
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: that's his only complete season. He had fifty seven innings
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: that year.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: But you know he would have gotten hurt if it
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: was in a sixty game season.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The only reason it wasn't hurt was he was
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: in a bubble, so so I yeah, I said, we
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: couldnt even talk about it here. I'm just pontificating on it.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, glass now he's he's literally made of glass.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: It's not worth the effort at the time, even expanding
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: the calories to go down this route. He's undraftable to
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: me unless he is free.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair. I mean, in real life,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers are going to be fine. They had Tony
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Console come back today, and.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: The only team that can be fine with this because
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: like they're like, hey, we get five starts out of them,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: like we'll take it. Like, what's five million dollars to start?
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of makes your jaw drop looking at
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: all these injured pitchers. You know, you got Kershaw's on
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: a rehab assignment, Blake Snell, I mean he's kind of
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: up in the air with the shoulder. But then you've
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: just got you know, just sup Robleski, Landon Knack, Bobby Miller,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: all sorts of players just kind of hanging out. And
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: that's not even like they could just totally start doing
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: bullpen games here and there. So the Dodgers are gona
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: keep on humming. But Tony Gunslin looked pretty sharp. I
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: liked the control today. Still needs maybe another tick or
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: two on that fastball to come back, but I thought
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: it looked pretty solid. Helps play pitching against the Marlins. Okay,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: let's move on to our next injury. We're gonna go
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: across the nation to Baltimore, and we've got Jordan Westburg
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: hitting the injured list there with a hamstring injury. It's
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: been a tough start to the season for Westburg. It's
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: slashing two seventeen, two sixty five, three ninety one over
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: twenty three games.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: This was a guy who I.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Mean, there was a lot of buzz coming into the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: season given that last year. Part of it was that
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I think it fell through the cracks that he had
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that broken hand at the end of the year and
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: it kind of muted his overall stat line. And if
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: you just kind of projected that over the rest of
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the season that he had missed with that hand, he
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: would have put up a pretty monster season for where
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: he was in his career. But you're the top one
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: hundred hitter guy here. What has been going on with
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Jordan Westbrook? Do you think he's been playing injured that
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: has caused that bad slash line or is there something
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: else happening in the profile.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean at the end of the day, like
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: his quality of contacts down a little bit. He has
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: had some bad luck, but he's he's not that different
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: a guy than what we saw last year. He look
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: across the profile, there isn't much different like he is.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: His contact rates are a little down, like the pitch
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: selections a little off right now. But if you look
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: at Quale, like I said that the actual like plate approach,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: he's not like swinging a whole lot less or more.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: You know, we're not seeing a whole lot from like
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: a hard hit rate is just slightly down. His baby
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: up is down sixty points, which is hurting him. His
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: walk rate, his k rate, they're all relatively what they
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: were last year. And you know, if you actually like
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: look at the stats themselves, like twenty three games, he's
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: hit four homers. You know he hasn't stolen a basement
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: when at six last year, So he's he's been doing okay.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Like I there's nothing about the profile that actually overly
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: warns me or concerns me, Like even the sprint speed.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: If you must have an upright now do you know
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: what Westburg's sprint speed is? No, they just just take
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: a guess.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: On the percentile I'm going to get on the percentile
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: seventy seven ninety four. Wow, okay, yeah, Like you just
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: look across the board. I mean there is that the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: league seems to be adjusting. They're giving him like a
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: heavy heavy dose of breaking or of fastballs, and they're
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: training off breaking balls, which I think he did struggle
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: a little bit more with the fastball to a degree
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: last year, but not a whole lot. He is struggling
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: with it more this year, and so they've kind of adjusted.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: But overall last year he hit two seventy five and
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: hit fifteen of his homers off fastballs. Like, I'm just
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: not not finding a big problem here. I actually think
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: he's a buying opportunity at this point. Or am I
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: dropping him down the rankings? Absolutely, he's hurt. Performance has
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: been down a little bit. He hasn't just come out blazing.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: But I was very high on the offseason, and I'm
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: just try I've been trying to find what the problem is,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and I just don't see something significantly different than what
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: was last year.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: So why let one month and an injury say that,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: you know it's you know, he's really fallen off the
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: face of the earth. I'm I'm still very happy to
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: have Jordan Westburg on my team, and if I can
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: acquire him somewhere, I likely will.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: No, I mean when you were running through that profile,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: it sounded like you were going to start pushing the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: buy button, because, like, I think the other thing that
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: kind of points to it being a good buying opportunity
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: is that when he was placed on the injured list
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: in Westburg Stead, the Orioles called up Emmanuel Rivera from
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Triple A as opposed to Kobe Mayo. I think that
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: tells you that the Orioles recognize that this is a
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: true ten day fourteen day il stent where he just
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: needs a little bit of rest and rehab on that hammy.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And then it's possible that Westburg just kind of hits
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the ground running from there, because it does stick out
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: like a sore thumb that the babbit is what has
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: not kind of caught up to the rest of the profile.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, the well, he's not as hard
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: X plus he's not as like it's down a little
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: bit compared to last year. But I mean, yeah, there's
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: nothing that significantly changed in how he's approached the game,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: and so to me, it's just he's a few small
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: adjustments away for just getting comfortable, and maybe he's been
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: playing hurt a little bit, you know, don't I don't
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: care the reason I'm still lying.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, makes sense, all right, let's move on to I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: don't know if this isn't necessarily gonna have a lot
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of fantasy impact out there, but I just kind of
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: wanted to get your take on Jared Kellnick in Atlanta,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: who was optioned down this week because the Braves could
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: not pass upon the opportunity to add Eddie Rosario to
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: their roster after he was cut in La. Any interest
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: in Kellenick or do you ever see him being able
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: to be able to like put it together in any
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: form or fashion. We're looking at a guy who you know,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: came over from Seattle or from New York to Seattle
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and the Edwin Diaz trade then was subsequently shipped out
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: from there, and you know, it's been a real run go.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: There have been stretches where Kelenick looks like the prospect
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: that he was set up to be. But he's gonna
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: be turning twenty six this year. Things are the runway
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: is kind of running out, and the book is out
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: on Kelnick, It's not like we've seen significant changes in
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: his profile. So do you think that there is a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: possibility he could make those tweaks and like you want
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: any sort of shares of him in super deep dynasty
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: leagues at this point?
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's there's always the possibility, Like, you know,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: he he's he's just twenty five and he's been in
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: the majors for five years. I think you forget how
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: young he was and was called up. And to your point,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: though he hasn't made big adjustments, he hasn't seemed to
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: figure it out, like he's a pure platoon bat at
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: this point, So like the opportunities continue to drop off.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Would I be shocked to see him like finally figure
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: it out and just kind of go a blaze, like
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: kind of like Victor Roeblis getting over the Mariners and
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: kind of making something's happened. I wouldn't be totally shocked,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: but I'm okay if that happens, I have your shares
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: of it, Like it's not worth I think that the
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: opportunity costs to really invest in him at this point,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: and so I'm I'm out of Kellenic. I think we've
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: we've kind of run that well dry. And then, you know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: from an Eddie Rosario standpoint, the only thing that I'm
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: interested in is how many times he's been a brave
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: at this point, because I'm just curious about the trivia
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: from an acculate grid perspective, and so nothing from a
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: fantasy perspective, because edter Rozzari is the kind of guy
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: that he's gonna get hot for a week, you're gonna
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: pick him up and he's be cold for the next month,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: and you're gonna be questioning life choices. So not not
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: much here. It's just interesting news. It's unfortunate see Kellennick
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: being sent down. You almost have to wonder. I'd have
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: to look at, you know, from a like arbitration perspective
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: and things like that, where he's sitting from an from
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: like a salary escalation perspective, because maybe they're wanting to
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: even around is that fourth fifth outfielder, because I think
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: that's really the career he's going to kind of carve
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: out at this point. Is he's a good enough outfielder
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and he's gotten good enough pop that he's a really
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: interesting bench piece. That's a lot more can be said
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: for a lot of guys. So I think, congratulations, Jared Kelnick,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: you made something not what you were going for.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and rip to all those Jared Kelnick PCs out there,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: because I know there are quite a few. And that
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: was an expensive PC to put together at one point,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: especially when he was in that net system. Not an
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: easy player to obtain.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: So I invested a little bit in that PC and
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: it did not pay off wisely.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, Well, speaking of cards, we do have one
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: big piece of news that came out in anticipation of
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five Bowmen, which will be coming out next week.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Like I said, we'll probably overview it next week and
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: get into more depth on the checklist and details from there.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: But this is a fascinating turn I think in the hobby.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Like I think it's it's a pretty similar moment in
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: terms of like what it could portend for the rest
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: of where the hobby goes. If not, I mean also
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to see kind of where it goes over
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the next year or three and a half years. If
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: you're catching my drift as this economy is kind of
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: going down the tubes and people are not going to
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: have the disposable income collect cards that they once did.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: But with twenty twenty five Bowmen, Fanatics has announced that
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: they're putting together what is called a Bowman Red Rookie Redemption,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: where there's a checklist of rookies within the set that
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: have special cards that are refractors with a red RC
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: logo on them. And what I think Fanatics and Tops
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: have found a lot of success and recently has been
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the Tops Chrome buyback, so they're trying to find different
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: ways to drum up that type of excitement. So that's
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: what they're doing here. If you pull one of these cards,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: they're going to be short printed and the the details
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: on it are a little bit sketch, I will say
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: at this point in terms of like print runs and
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: odds and stuff like that, where I don't know if
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: we actually have a great idea of like where these
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: are embedded as well, Like I don't know if they're
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: more so in jumbos or like breakers sort of like
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: geared boxes. But the gist of this program is that
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: if you pull one, you can redeem it for one
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars in finance cash like right away, and then
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: from there it's gonna start escalating to where you know,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: they're trying to mimic a little bit of like what's
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: happening with the MVP redemption. You know, you go up
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: to from there, like if they win an MVP or
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: a Rookie of the Year, you get a certain amount
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: of money, and then two MVPs or Cy Young's and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: then three, and then from there even Hall of Fame,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: So you can get a thousand bucks if you hold
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: it all the way through Hall of Fame, which one
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: time value of money. That's awful, just pure awful. So
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: if you do, if you are list litening to this
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and you pull one of these, turn it in right away.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, maybe you can hold a couple of
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: these guys for like trying to get the Rookie of
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: the Year stuff, but like in terms of any of
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: these future ones, good luck. Like I don't know if
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: any of these guys are Aaron Judge or Shoho Tani,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: but I want to see, like what do you think
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: about this, because, like I said, this is a pretty
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: big turn in the industry in terms of having a
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: guaranteed value if one of these guys hits the Hall
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: of Fame and so like, it's not a great investment,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: like I said, from time value money, but it's a
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: fun one.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: It is. And when it when it first came out
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: a whole day ago and I was kind of watching
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: them looking at it, I was actually really intrigued with it,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: and I was gonna give tops a little bit of
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: kudos for the creativity. Continue to find different ways to
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: to to provide value. And even from a pure business perspective,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: using fanatics cash like they're they're providing more value than
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: they actually are out laying from a business perspective, because
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: it's coming back into the end of the same pipeline, right,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: they're just reallocating it. But I think that the big
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: thing here is, as I read about today, there's a
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: catch and I don't know if you've read the fine
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: print that have kind of stuck out, which is the
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: only way you actually get these is they have to
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: win the Rookie of the Year. They build upon each other.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: They're not. I didn't know that they are. And so
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: if the red Rookie card label player wins the Rookie Year,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: then they unlock the opportunity to get the MVP or
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Cy Young payoffs. Only way you can get the Hall
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: of Fame one is if they've won the Rookie of
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: the Year and an MVP or Cy Young and they
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: are inducted in the first five years of the Hall
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: of Fame voting. So it has to be the perfect storm.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: So Rookie of the Year that is two guys a year,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: so only two guys. It's kind of like the MVP redemptions.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: At this point, only two guys are even in the
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: conversation to be held long term. Every other one of
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: these has zero value because they did not win Rookie
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: of the Year, and then you have to assume that
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: that guy continues his career and turns into an MVP
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: and a Psyche Young and like so, I think you're
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: right in season. Unless there there are like the MVP
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: redemption where they are the clear leader in the clubhouse.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: You are selling this right away. You are not holding
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: onto this. If they appear to be the clear leader
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: of the clubhouse, then I think you can hold these
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: and their value is gonna increase, probably above the redemption
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: value in that off season because the future potential that
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: they now unlock this, but I think it's going to
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: be more of a bad and intrigue that's gonna play
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: than anything else. So I'm actually I'm really disappointed that
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: they put all these red tape around it. Red tape
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: around the red logo is not the way to go.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: So Tops, you tried. You had a good idea, and
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: then you had to get old fancy dancing with us
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes and put buying print on the thing
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: that nobody was gonna read because it wasn't included in
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: your advertising.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: That's a that I'm glad that you caught that because
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I was not really aware of that, so
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: like you certainly picked that up. I do also wonder
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: if they're going to be putting this into just overall
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: like Bowman Chrome going forward too, because like the chances
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: that the two Rookie of the Years come from this
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: limited set of players is also pretty low. Like Christian
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Campbell's not in this list, you think maybe he might
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: appear in Bowman Chrome, but that would also slay him
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: for like TOPS update and going from there, and like
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: who knows, Like I can guarantee you though, Joe Kenzie
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Noelle not going to be a Hall of Famer I can,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: so like it is like I don't know, like it
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: it's trying to like I don't know if they're trying
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: to dissuade people from trying to put in that hundred
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: dollars ticket right away, because like I just don't see
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: how the math, ever would work out to not immediately
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: turn this in for thee hundred dollars once you get it.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: And two, like it is kind of scummy that like
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: it's just in Fanatics cash that like you have to
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: go buy overpriced products back from Fanatics. This kind of
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: actually maybe they also cook this up in relation to
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: what I was talking about with some of those economic
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: and tariff walls that are probably about to absolutely destroy
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Fanatics and all of the junk that they have on
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: their websites. That like, there's just a lot of weird
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: factors that have gone into this, like you said, where
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: it seems really croative fun on the surface, but like
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: we start peeling back the layers of it, it's just
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: kind of really gross and in terms of like what
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: the Fanatics has done with tops and what it's turned
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: the baseball card collecting industry into, and on top of
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: it all like really bold of fanatics to think that
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: they're going to be in business in twenty twenty five
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: years when any of these dudes might get inducted in
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very true. Like that is the one thing the
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: guys like they came up with this as like I'm
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: gonna be retired by this time in like you can't
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: prove me wrong.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this thousand dollars is somebody else's problem that you know,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: one person held onto this red Rookie redemption card.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know the print runs. We don't even
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: know the print runs, yeah, exactly, things like is there
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: like three of them? Is there a three thousand? Like yeah, well,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: what's what's actually happening here? We don't truly.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Know, yes, And it's all gonna be just like blown
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: up when Cameron Meisner wins the twenty twenty five AL
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year and isn't even going to be
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: in any TOPS products this year pretty much. Okay, Well,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: we do have the updated calendar in those show notes.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: You have new TOPS releases coming out, so check that out.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Like I said, the big one coming up is May seventh,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: next week with twenty twenty five Bowmen as we're speaking
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: on April thirtieth. Tops Chrome Black twenty twenty five also
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: drops a pretty fun set, but one of those kind
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: of limited sets where you spend one hundred and eighty
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: bucks and get four cards and hope that you hit
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: a good auto. So nothing too fascinating from what's been
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: in Tops Chrome Black from previous years. And like I said,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: we'll be doing twenty twenty five Bowman Overview next week
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: along maybe we might not people do Bowman and the
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Player of the Month, but we'll figure that out when
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: we take this short break, and we'll be back to
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: talk about where we've missed coming into the twenty twenty
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: five season. So stick around, all right, Welcome back everybody.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: So we are going to get into some discussion on
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: where we might have gotten things wrong coming into twenty
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: twenty five, especially given that we can start doing a
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: little bit of analysis on what our kind of approaches
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: we're going into draft season, seeing the changes that players
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: have made directly over this past month of action that
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: we've had and be able to kind of like line
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: it up with what our priors were readjust those priors
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: and kind of start configuring what we're going to be
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: doing going into even twenty twenty six, so if not
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: for the rest of this year. The one thing that
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: we both discussed that it's been just an absolute crap
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: like show just trying to figure it all out going
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: into this year has been closers and saves, and so
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I've got actually a good kind
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: of analysis on that that I don't know if you
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: have from this season so far. That like I think
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: it's a part of like, as teams get smarter and
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: are relying less and less on one closer, it's just
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: gonna become harder and harder to kind of pluck saves
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: out of the player pool. And on top of it too,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: you're given just all the variation in injuries and your
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: your performance in small sample sizes, and it's it's tough that,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: like I mean, you can't not invest in closers and
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: saves in roto leagues, but you also don't want to,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and so it's kind of like we know you're gonna lose.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit it does create like a game
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: of chance, where like I mean, it's just kind of
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: like playing poker where you know you're gonna kind of
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: draw bad hands here and there and you can't do
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: anything about It's how you kind of are able to
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: play with it. What do you think is there is
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: that maybe too nonchalant about closers and saves or is
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: there something you can see?
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: I think it's it's right. I mean it kinda is
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: like the the old Stars and Scrubs perspective, Like I
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: think you just have to make a call at this
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: point early in the in the season, like in the
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: draft season, like are you gonna go all in and
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: try to get like two guys that are like cream
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: of the crop and you feel really really confident in
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: them because their profile because if you gave in the
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: season picked up like a Robert Suarez Andrews Munio's or
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: you know, any of those guys, like you feel pretty good.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: But you could have also done the same thing with
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Devin Williams and really regretted it. So like it's it
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: is like you kind of have to make the choice
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: of making am I gonna invest in that? Or am
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I gonna? Am I okay to play the game and
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: roll the dice like and I think that's the call
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: you're making and you just have to pick one and
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: go with it. And I I think at this point,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I'm more on the on the side of like roll
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: the dice, Like, Hey, I'm gonna go after talent, and
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go after the guys that I hope
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: become closers and hope for the best things are gonna change,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: and I'd much rather invest my draft capital elsewhere because
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: that could be a complete zero in like three weeks. Again.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Devin Williams, I actually traded from as a keeper in
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: a league UH this year, and I'm I'm only keeping
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: eye bench at this point because of just pure pride,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: and it's it's really unfortunate. I was looking at some
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: of our picks in the off season and the only
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: things I did with closure was sell them. Like we
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: didn't there was no like buy this closures, just sell
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: all these closures. And I feel like that's kind of
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: how we've landed this point feels worse than has in
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: the past. I don't know this is gonna get better
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: in the future.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that is a little bit of like indicative too,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: of like the market of like dictates the prices on
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: closers and saves, and you've got to play along to
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: people to like keep pace that it's never a logical decision,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: but you have to do it to be able to
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: stay competitive and saves at the end of the day.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: So it's just until you get into if you do
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: get in a league like I think sometimes we've gotten
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: into leagues where this happens every once in a while
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: in our Autito league, where like the saves market just
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: kind of really mellows out and gets to the right
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: value point.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: And if you find that.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Like wow, what a what a great little kind of
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: like you in United Nations league that you guys all
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: agreed to have and not chase closers and saves. But
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: but until that happens across the board, it's there's always
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: going to be irrationality to it.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely. I just bought David Bednar and our
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: fab bitting for like twelve dollars, which was like double
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: his draft day calls or something like it, and it's
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: because he had one save. Like it's it's irrational.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: At time times exactly.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's get into some players and just other
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: kind of points where we might have missed where we've
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: got a little bit better sense of kind of what's
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: going on. So I'm gonna kick this off because this
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: is the player that really kind of intrigued me for
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: this topic out the bat, because I sold them real
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: hard when we were doing our Ale East preview. That
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: is Marlin's picture Max Meyer, who until his start on
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: just a couple of days ago on the twenty seventh
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: against apparently the extremely mighty and unstoppable Seattle Mariner's offense.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know where that came from, but so like
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: you kind of actually give them a little bit of
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a pass for that performance. Max Meyer was a top
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: five picture I think on our player Raider I don't
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: exactly remember, certainly top ten, especially after the game where
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: he put up the fourteen k's six shutout innings with
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: no walks against Cincinnati, and mostly like I think this
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: is something that I'm learning from going forward is that,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: like what he didn't like about Maximyer's profile was he's
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: kind of a short king, like he's only like six
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: feet tall. But what he's actually done is you can
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: see it right away in his Savant page compared twenty
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: twenty five to twenty twenty four, he's dropped his arm
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: angle and Randy Rodriguez from the Giants has done this too,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: it's turned him into a much better picture out in
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: San Francisco. Is that if you're shorter, what people, what
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: guys are actually doing now are dropping the armsot a
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: little bit just to like it's a funky, funky angle
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: when it's coming in, and I think batters aren't used
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: to it, and I don't know if they can adjust
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: very easily because it's so different from you know, the
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: classic six foot six dude who is just looks like
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: a condor on the on the mound thrown to you
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: that Meyer has mixed it up for that and also
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: has featured a better arsenal. You know, he's added a
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: sinker to the arsenal and you can see it right
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: away on Savant, where like the pitch mix is working
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: much better. So I think this is something what I'm
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: learning from this is like one Max Meyer was a
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: pretty highly touted prospect, you know, number three overall pick
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, always had lots of great prospect grades
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: on him.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: That like it.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Gasha goes a little bit back to like maybe the
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: opposite of kell Nick, where Joey Dell is in this
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: boat for me too, where I'm still trying to figure
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: out if this is going to happen, is like, really
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: good players make adjustments, and Max Meyer has done that,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: so like, I have a lot more faith in him
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: going forward, and I think I need to give players
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: like Meyer maybe a little more runway than I gave
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: him than coming into this season.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it's fair. And I've also
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: read a little bit more recently about young pitchers coming
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: in to the league into the miners, and like he
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: was drafted in twenty twenty and so he was twenty one.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: He was kind of younger from a college pitcher perspective,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: and that I think we've had this similar thing with
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: like uh Libertore this year and a few few others
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: that like guys that come out like from high school,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: there's still like a six six seven year kind of
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: like development curve for them, And I think you have
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: to still remember that also generally applies to even the
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: younger college guys that you know, they still need four
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: or five years to really develop into that true picture,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: and even sometimes at the majors they need that. So
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: if the guy has true talent, if he's a guy
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: that seems to generally be healthy, he's got velocity, he
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: does the thing, you know, kind of some of the
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: right things, like, you know, especially if you have control
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: and have a kind of you know, profile that's not
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: prone too much to homers. He is actually very prone
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: to home homers, by the way. Then it's just like, okay,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: now it's just a tweak to unleash it, to find it.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Whereas if the guy's never got control, like he's not
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: gonna just randomly run into control, it just doesn't generally happen.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: And so I think that there is something to be
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: learned from Ayer here, because I don't think there's ever
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: a question about the talent. It was just as he's
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: gonna put it together and make the adjustments, and then
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: as soon as he did, he's off the races. He's
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: still like, let's be frank, his average exit velocity's like
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: well of the worse in the league. Like he's letting
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: some pretty hard balls be hit at this point in time.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: And so it's not all roses here, but he's he's
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: a much more useful picture than I think we ever
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: expected go into the season.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the other guy that definitely
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: falls into this bucket is Casey May's same sort of
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: like profile, not exactly like quite the short king that
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Max Meyer is, but certainly also not like a behemoth.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that's a good point. Who's your
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: kind of first WI and what did you learn from
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: this analysis?
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm gonna go with a guy that I
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: just decimated in in our preseason cells, and that is
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Nick Pavetta of the San Diego Padres, who I didn't
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: look at the player Raider, but I'm going to venture
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: to say he's in the top ten players. He's got
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: it up the top top five, like even higher. Yeah,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: he's number three right now, he's number three and behind
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Hunter Brown and Max Freed. Yeah, so I bought Hunter
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Brown and I believe maybe Max Freed. So I'm going
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: to take the win. But you know, Paveta. It's it's
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: interesting because this is the reasons I sold Paveta still exist. Yeah,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: but what I think you have to remember with pitching
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: is luck can do a lot of things for you.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: And Nick Pavetta, the reason I sold him in the
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: off season was he has never had an ERA better
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: than four in his entire career. He has never made
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: it past one hundred and eighty innings in his career.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: He doesn't go deep in a game, so he's done
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: for one more than ten games, and he just there
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: was just these multiple, multiple things that he seemed to
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: struggle with. He's always been a flyball pitcher and he
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: gives up a decent amount of home runs on those
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: fly balls. So then the question is what's changed for him?
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: And so what do we learn What's changed is nothing?
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Nothing has changed for Nick Pavetta. He has a five
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: percent home run for flyball rate, which is a third
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: of his career result. That is luck. His left on
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: base percentage is ten twelve points better than his career
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: He is leaving guys on base like he has never before.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: His beabeit is the best in his career by about
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: seventy points over his career average. He has hit. Literally,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: there's like three big luck markers. I look for him pictures.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: It's left on base, home run, fly balls, and babiit.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: He has at all three of those and he is
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: cashing in. And then his velocity is not really up
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: is actually the lowest in the last three years. So
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: let's look at his x CIRA and his x FIP.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: His x HERA is three point oh six. His x
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: fip's three point twenty four, pretty much in line with
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: his career numbers. I get he's doing well right now,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: but there's regression coming for Pavetta. So I think the
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: learning here is at some point it's okay if you're wrong,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: and don't go chasing just because you're wrong. Because I
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: still was selling Nick Pavetta at this point, even though
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I'm he's number three overall on the Player Raider, I'm
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: still okay looking at why I made that choice. It
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: hasn't changed, and I would be selling Pavetta so hard
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: if I had him right now to any team that
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: would take him, because there's a reckon in a coming
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: uh for Nick Pavetta, And I think I'm going against
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: the spear of this this segment. By the way, I'll
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: get I'll get better. Don't worry. I've made some real
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: big mistakes. But I think that that's something to be learned.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Is like, it's okay if you're wrong, don't change why
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: you did it, because there's a reason you didn't draft
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: these guys, and if that hasn't changed, don't question yourself.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Max Meyer, the reason we were concerned about him, something changed.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: He showed true improvement, and so that's a reason to
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: reevaluate and go after it. Somebody is Nick Pavetta, who's
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: thirty years old. He didn't miraculously solve the world's problems here.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: He's still still a cell. So maybe I'm baring my
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: head in the sands and I apolige to all the
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Padres fans and the Drafters out there, but I'm still
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: concerned with Nick Povetta.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I think it's fair because like when I will give
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: you some grace that when you did the cell as well,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: is that you brought him up in our Red Sox
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: segment even though he is a free agent. I called
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: it out like sharing that pod. I mean, I think
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of like what the success has been is
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: the San Diego Marine Layer in April, and so that
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: is killing that home run for five ball. I mean,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: he has pitched against Detroit and the Cubs, so it's
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: not like he's in the Cubs twice actually, so it's
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: not like he's played against like total scrubs. But he
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: also hasn't faced the Dodgers yet, so there, I think
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: when the weather turns out on the West Coast, you
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: might be looking for that. That's where the home run
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: for fly ball rate I think is about to shoot
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: through the roof for Pitvida. But that is I think
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: that's a good, good kind of lesson too, is that
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: like sometimes the lesson is like you've gotta be steadfast
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: and what your original evaluation was, and like, don't let
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: one month of lucky play totally throw your entire strategy
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: off for your season.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you also have to point out that he's faced
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Atlanta when they were completely lost, because he faced in
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Colorado and so and both those teams he shut out
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: for seven innings. So yeah, he played some teams that
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: were also like completely lost at the same time. Yes,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I think that's all right, who do you got next? Okay,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: So I mean this one he was a little bit
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: of a stretch of it by any because I mean
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: his draft price was barely nothing, but I did hype
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: them up a little bit. And that is infielder Ernie
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Clement from the Toronto Blue Jays. I think my learning
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: lesson here is that sometimes in draft season I get
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: a little bit too lost in my fab like waiver
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: wire world, where like it really does skew your view
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: of fantasy baseball when like every week you're evaluating all
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: these guys that nobody wants for some reason, you're trying to,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: like use car salesman put them in front of people
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: as options, because like, I mean, there's a reason a
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: lot of these dudes that hang out and waiver wires.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Early in the season, it's a little bit different because
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: like it's guys who got overlooked in drafts. But the
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: farther and farther we get into the season, you're trying
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: to just find dudes with playing opportunity. And that's kind
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: of where I think I fell for Ernie Clement too
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: early in the season, that this is the type of
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: player where when you're in the dog days of August
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: and you need somebody to plug in to your roster,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: that's what are in Clement is good for. But when
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: you're liking for the actual upside and kind of growth
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: coming into twenty twenty five, Clement is not the type
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: of player you're looking at. You know, he's got a
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: really weak contact rate. I mean, he makes a lot
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: of contact, but it's weak contact. The playing time in
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Toronto looked steadier than it actually was given like what
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: that bad ball profile is for Clement, and so thankfully,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I mean I didn't fall prey to this in too
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: many spots. But I think about my TGFBI squad like
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: I'm flailing a little bit because actually, like I had Clement,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I also had like Paul Deyong, because I was just
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: trying to play like the the volume game out the
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: gate when I should have been focusing a little bit
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: more on upside plays at the end of the draft,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: you know, and trusting in the studs that I had
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: taken early in the draft and playing a little bit
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: more of a yachtzi game on the back end and
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: as opposed to trying to look for guys like this
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: at the beginning. So I think that's a good learning
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: lesson for me, is that, like, hey, play a little
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: bit more aggressive with the back in your draft, don't
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: worry about guys like are in Clement until you get
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: into maybe June time frame and you just do need
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: that warm body. Yeah, I think that's a that's a
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: very fair learning It's like I think guys like that
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: like and I feel like I may have done the
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: same thing to degree with Alan Roadin for the Blue Jays,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: but very high on it, and I still am, but
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: not a guy that's like gonna set the world on fire,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: and you know, maybe you just keep a closer eye,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: like those are the guys that you put on your watch. Listen,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: and you watch a little closer than the rest of
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: your league, and see, like if these things are holding true,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: pick them up, or you pick them up and then
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: be willing to cut them really really quick. Right. I
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: think those those are okay things to do. It just
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: hurts when you cut the wrong guy, and then you'll
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: beat yourself up for that's that's where you get in
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: that trap, and it happens to everybody. You gotta have
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: a short memory and fantasy at times.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, I totally, I totally agree. Okay, who is your
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: next learning lesson?
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I kind of cheaped out on the first one.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: We think the battle, let's own it. And this next
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: one was is bad. It's bad. And I tried to
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: sell James Wood in the offseason, and I think, in
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: fairness to myself, I didn't say like for his entire career.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I said, like, I think it's
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: gonna be a bigger adjustment period than people think because
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: they expect the power just to come, like come naturally,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: just be there. He hits the ball, incredibly hard. But
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: my view as everybody's treating him like a thirty thirty
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: five homer bat and at the end of the day,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: he has much had had much too big of a
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: round ball profile, and that was gonna be the thing
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: that kind of held him back. So I was like,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: I just can't pay the price for him. And you know,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: James Wood has now hit nine homers. He's got to
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: combine forty runs and RBIs he's hitting two fifty seven,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: walking more than last year, striking out less. Like the
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: guy's just phenomenal and looks at I will, I will,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: you know, take a little victory lap on the fact
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: that his home run for fly ball rate is utterly
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: ridiculous at thirty six percent.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: But they're they are absolutely tanks.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: And so like like I like there's a there was
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: a reason behind the analysis, but I think the learning
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: here is and I I feel like I did this
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: with Elie de la Cruise maybe the year before, where
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: like at some point, like in the top portion of
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: the draft, like supreme talent is supreme talent, Like if
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: they really are that good of a hitter, don't nipick it,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: don't try to find the problem with it and just
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: let it fly. Because good hitters, like you talk about luck.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: He's had a little bit of luck, but say he
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: was kind of more at his career average for home
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: run for flyball rate instead of nine, he has like
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: six homers, and he's still driving the ball. He's still
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: top five percent of the league in barrel rate and
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: ex velocity and all these things. Like he's still an
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: incredible player. And so I think I was getting a
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: little too cute, see looking at that and going, well,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: there's a thing here that I think people are missing
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: and trying to look at other players that have done that.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: There were probably lesser players, like I think the comp
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: I uses Cabrian Hayes. Cabrian Hayes didn't have the same
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: overall battered ball profile that James would did he had
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: the potential for it, maybe not even that level of potential.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Or James Wood is just a freakish athlete and he's
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: so young, so much development happened. So I think that
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: was a big miss for me. And I'm lucky that
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: I own him a keeper of formats already, so it
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: was the price of mission was cheap enough. I couldn't
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: I could not keep him but that one's a miss.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: That one's definitely a miss for me.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I hear you, and like it does. Honestly,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I think I got a little bit of like Jordan
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Locker trauma that like it's tough sometimes with these big
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: guys that like you see especially that ground ball rate
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: compared to Jordan Walker.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: But like I think what like.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: I need to get over is that you can see
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: it a little bit in Jordan Walker's like minor league
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: track Carker compared to James Woods or Ellie de la
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Cruz is too, is that Walker didn't walk at a
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: very good clip in the minor leagues, which tells you
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: something that tells you that in the minors, those pitchers
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: actually aren't terribly afraid of the of the batter as
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: opposed to like James Wood was running like eighteen percent
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: walk rates at some stops, like people were very afraid
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: of James Wood, and same thing with Ellie, Like Ellie
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: ran some pretty good walk rates and so like, even
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: if the strikeouts like were significant, like for somebody like
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Wood or Ellie, if the walk rate is also kind
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: of there with that strike at rate, it tells you
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: something about how that hitter is just like smoking the
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: down in the minor, so, like I think that's another
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: kind of layer to this is like I do need
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: to shake Jordan Walker out of my like psyche and
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: like throw it to the side because he's just not
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: the same player on the same tier when maybe it
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: looked like he could be.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and even like to degree, when you miss on
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: one of those, it's okay because when you hit on one,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: the value so much more. Because when you were drafting
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: James Wood, you were drafting around other guys that you
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: already had an own commodity and they were probably at
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: their ceiling where James would. It wasn't hard to look
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: and say, well, he could be a first rounder. It's
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: not hard to argue that, and you have to take
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: a little bit that risk of the downside with that upside,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: and the upside is what wins leaks being conservative. Maybe
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: the first few rounds, I think I'm actually really supportively conservative,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: but you get into those kind of early mid rounds,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: you gotta go after the home runs. You have to
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: be willing to do that. Maybe not every pick, but
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: you have to be willing to do that because those
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: are the things that are going to carry you and
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: when you get it wrong, that's that's very difficult.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: All right, Well let's get into my next one, because
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: I mean this one's this one's also like I can't
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: believe that I have to admit that, like I was
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: buying and kind of touting Chicago White Sox pitching at
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: certain points in terms especially like you maybe shouldn't go
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: back to like those couple of first like weak fab pieces,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: where especially like the White Sox pitching out the gate
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: and through spring training.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Looked pretty sharp.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of the players that they had kind
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: of floating around between Shane Smith, Sean Burke, Jonathan Cannon,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Davis Martin had all like developed new pitches and the
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: arsenal was looking pretty good and when you kind of
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: watched it live, it all mixed and matched correctly.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: And I don't think.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: That like there was something that I missed on there.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I think my miss is is you got to take
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: it to the next level, Like a player can have
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: a great arsenal in look good and have the mound.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: Confidence that you're looking for.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: And I think if any of these players were not
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: on the White Sox, we would be talking about a
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: lot of them as hits if they were also had
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: that kind of layer of the pitch development, because it
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: is actually something that I think the White Socks are
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: starting to get a little bit of a knack for,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: especially with Brian Banister being around, And it's like one
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: of the cheaper things I think you can do that,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: Like it's not hard to convince Jerry Reinsdorf to spend
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: money on developing pitching and giving them like some cameras
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: here and there and just it if you've got good
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: arms the way that they've kind of had, because they've
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: got good draft picks and they've kind of been making
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: trades and are also just first on the waiver wire
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: to be able to acquire some of these dudes. The
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: problem is, like the White Sox, that defense is horrendous,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: and when you're also in the vibes of like a
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: team like that, it just does not help things. Like
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I musto thinking about like I was watching today Redebtmers.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw him. He got fly
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: destroyed in Seattle, but like part of it is like
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: the defense behind him did not help him. Like there
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: were a couple of bobbled balls and a couple of
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: fielded opportunities where just the Angels couldn't convert it. That
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: happens all the time on bad teams like the White Sox,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: and so I think that's where I've got to tamper
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: things down of like, Okay, this guy might have the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: pieces to put it together to be a starting pitcher
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: and to be a weapon for fantasy, but more times
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: often than not, that does not happen on bad teams.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: That is a very rare case. When you get like
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: the Carrett Crochet who can rise above it all and
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: has that incredible strikeout profile. When you're talking about somebody
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: who's still putting the ball in play, you need a
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: defense behind you, and you need a winning team behind you.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what's interesting. I was looking at
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: the overall teams tasts for starters, and if you sort
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: them by war, and you look at the bottom of
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: level teams, and then you look at their era. The
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: White Sox for the second worst era, even though they're
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: only like the sixth Worths War. And what I'm getting
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: at there is from a real world perspective, they're a
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: little bit better because they's some volume. They're they're kind
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: of tinkering around things, but they're not blowing anybody away
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: like they're their strikeouts are low, their walks are high,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: they're relatively keeping the ball in the ground like they're
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: they're just kind of like working around the outskirts of things,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: and so they're a little more valuable in the real world,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: and there's just nobody that's providing like overall value. Like
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: the only other team in there that plays some similar
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: is like the Brewers, and there's a little bit more
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: of like a spread and like the talent level of
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: that starting rotation, where like there's a little heavier top
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: end and the bottom is just falling out for the Brewers.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: And so I think that's why they're they're there, the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: White Sox just across the board. It's just it's like
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: the the like quad a pitching kind of at this point,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: and that's really what's what's bringing them down. Even though,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: like you could say, like if you could put any
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: of those guys in a pitching factory type of thing,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: like give them the Tampa or Houston or something like that,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: you could see some really exciting things. But at the
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: end of the day, a bad team is gonna bring
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: it down.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think on top of it too,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: you also have to consider like the bullpen, because like
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: the White Sox have an absolutely dreadful bullpen, And so
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: if you have a starter who you know is in
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: the sixth inning running out of gas walks, a dude
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: allows a hit. On good teams with good bullpens, those
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: guys get stranded. On teams like the White Sox, those
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: teams score on a home run. So like that is
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: the other factors like you, that adds up into that
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: era pretty quickly, and I think that's probably causing some
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: of that discrepancy you're seeing there between war and era,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: because like some of those earned runs going on the
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Ledger aren't actually like earned, you know what I mean,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Because like in when you kind of sort out the
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: luck metrics, you would expect more of those to be
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: left on base. But that's not the way it works
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: when you have a bullpen like the Chicago White Sox.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's get into our last one.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Let's get to your last player here, Broup.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I wish we could go through all of
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: our wins. Maybe we should do that sometimes because it'll
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: make me feel a lot better here because my two
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: misses were bad, like he thought, James Wood was bad.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: I tried to sell O'Neil Cruz, and O'Neil Cruz has
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: just been on fire and I can't really argue it.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Like I wrote a little bit about him, like moving
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: him up ranks and stuff, because like he just continues
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: to get better and better and better, and literally everything
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: about his game is more and more attractive, like he
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: said in the Ball in the Air. More he is
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: taking more walks, he's striking out less, he's sitting the
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: ball harder, like he basically he's healthy. And I think
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: this is a combination of the learning with I said,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: as James wood is, like, talent is talent. You have
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: to recognize talent. And then I think the other one
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: that plays with the cruise here, which is really why
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: I sold him, wasn't the talent, which was the injury history.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: And I think it's the fine line with these young
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: players of what defines injury prone. He had one hundred
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: and forty six games last season. The season before he
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: played nine, and you know, I think then he was
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: eighty seven the game the season before, and they had
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: too the game the season before because he again I
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: think he had two big significant injuries, but he did
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: show he was fully healthy in twenty twenty four, and
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: he did a twenty twenty season, and some of the
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: metrics had kind of fallen off, like he was didn't
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: really fully deliver on his talent, But the underlying metrics
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: still look pretty good for a guy that is, you know,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: just twenty six years old. And so I think that's
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: a big learning for me is it's such a delicate
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: get balanced when you're trying to avoid injury risk that
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: you really have to look at the individual player, the
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: kind of injuries they had, have they recovered, and if
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: they're still earlier in their career and they've shown that
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: they can get a full season, and I think you
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: have to give him a second chance. Now, O'Neil Cruz
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: still scares me from an injury risk perspective. The way
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: he plays, he very well could get hurt, but he
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: also has so much upside that even if he does
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: halfway through the season, you've gotten so much value from him.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: And so I think I don't think I was the
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: only one. I think a lot of people kind of
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: shied away from him, just wasn't quite buying into it
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: because of the injury risk. But again, you go back
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: talent and talents, you have to be willing to invest.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: You have to be taking those risk And we talked
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: a lot in the offseason of like, if you are
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: cautious and build a strong foundation for your team in
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: those first two three rounds, you have to take these
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: gambles on guys like O'Neil Cruz and James Woods and
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: things like that to win your league. Because if you
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: do a good job drafting early and you picked you know,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Jose Ramirez or I'm trying to think, yeah, Judge, but
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: it was too easy to say or and Judge. But
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: like you have those picks that you're able to Corbyn Carroll,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: like you pick any of those guys that like give
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: you a really solid foundation, then you can take these
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  Speaker 2: seeming risk on a men's talent and they can pay
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  Speaker 2: off handsomely. So very similar learning with Wood here. This
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  Speaker 2: one was just probably a bigger miss because of the
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  Speaker 2: speed profile and just the overall incredible ability to do
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  Speaker 2: things across the field. He's still gonna get hurt at
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  Speaker 2: some point. He's still gonna play hard. But if it
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  Speaker 2: comes to the territory and he misses a few weeks
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  Speaker 2: here and there, I think we're all gonna be very
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  Speaker 2: happy with the outcome of o' neil Cruz.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's fair. And it's almost like
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  Speaker 1: the flip side of those White Sox pictures where like
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  Speaker 1: the batting line is gonna look really great for a cruise,
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  Speaker 1: but like the war is gonna be awful because like
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why Pittsburgh continues to run him out
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  Speaker 1: in center field, but like it'll be fascinating to kind
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  Speaker 1: of see how his career develops because that because he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be like the worst center fielder in the league,
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  Speaker 1: but like if he could run a one forty WRC plus,
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  Speaker 1: like that is amazing for especially thinking like our CBS
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  Speaker 1: league together, where the escalation of the keepers is based
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  Speaker 1: on war chef's kiss.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, your point. He's got negative ten defensive saved at
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  Speaker 2: this point in season, like we barely end the season.
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  Speaker 2: He is dreadfully he's got four errors in the outfl
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  Speaker 2: Like it's not good. He's he's yeah, he's very talented
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  Speaker 2: to play.
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  Speaker 3: We'll just with that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'm one hundred percent certain he would
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  Speaker 1: not have made the same play that Dalton Varshol made,
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  Speaker 1: and honestly that's probably exactly the type of play where
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  Speaker 1: ONEO Cruz might get hurt. So that is like a
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: little bit of kind of the factor here. Yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: well let's wrap up this pot. I think it was
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  Speaker 1: a great discussion. Sorry to bring you down and talk
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  Speaker 1: about all your losses, but I mean we only had
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  Speaker 1: six so in total between the two of us, all
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  Speaker 1: the other picks where wins do not go back and
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