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Gordie Chiesa Hour on the drama around Walker Kessler's upcoming restricted free agency, Knicks championship parade + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Come for the hoops talk. Stay for his list of
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  Speaker 3: the day.
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  Speaker 1: My list today.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Oh se with basketball saban Gordy Chiasa on the
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  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven
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  Speaker 4: hundred and ninety twoe I s them. Welcome in, Gordy Chiaysa,
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  Speaker 4: brought to you by a Latin industry.
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  Speaker 3: Is your Utah V Lux dealer? Hi, Gordy, how are.
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  Speaker 1: You, Sean?
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  Speaker 5: I'm doing well. I'm looking forward to next Tuesday, all
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  Speaker 5: the listeners. That's the NBA Draft, the first round, and
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  Speaker 5: next Wednesday will be the second round and it's held
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  Speaker 5: in a Barclay Center in Brooklyn, and everybody's gonna be
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  Speaker 5: there involved and it's going to be a wonderful night
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  Speaker 5: for Jazz fans and for the NBA.
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  Speaker 3: Sell it's you ever been to Shinnecock Hills, Gordy.
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  Speaker 1: That's the Long Island, right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, no, I've not been yet, but I know
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  Speaker 5: of it. I've passed it many a time showing No.
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  Speaker 5: I was in crazy traffick Champs and a thing called
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  Speaker 5: the l I E. The Long Alan expresh Ray, which
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  Speaker 5: is the world's biggest parking lot.
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  Speaker 4: I have been on that many a time for my
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  Speaker 4: PFL duties, going from Queens in the Airport all the
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  Speaker 4: way out.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but.
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  Speaker 4: Shinnacock Hills the US Open host courses dominating the golfing
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  Speaker 4: field right now only four guys under par, close to
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  Speaker 4: Gordy's old stomping grounds. But we brought you here to
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  Speaker 4: talk basketball, not to talk golf. So my fault on
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  Speaker 4: the weirdest side. Let's start with the thing that's top
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  Speaker 4: of everyone's mind here in the state of Utah. Walker
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  Speaker 4: Kessler and the Utah Jazz yet to reach an agreement.
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  Speaker 4: Reports out there from Tim McMahon and other that they're
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  Speaker 4: still pretty far apart. Despite the five year, one hundred
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  Speaker 4: and forty million dollar offer from the Utah Jazz. Walker
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  Speaker 4: seemed like he wanted to clear the air a little
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  Speaker 4: bit yesterday took to social media and posted I'll just
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  Speaker 4: read exactly what his post said. I've seen what's being said,
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to be clear, I've always wanted to be here.
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  Speaker 4: I love the city, these fans, my teammates, my coaches.
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  Speaker 4: That's real to me. You don't grow roots where you
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  Speaker 4: don't want to be. So Walker Kessler making it clear
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  Speaker 4: that he loves Utah, he wants to be in Utah.
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  Speaker 4: That doesn't mean he's going to take a significant discount
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  Speaker 4: below what he feels he's worth to stay in Utah.
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  Speaker 3: However, I think it's.
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  Speaker 4: A vote of confidence that something will get done between
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  Speaker 4: these two parties, and I wanted your thoughts on the matter.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 5: The first thing is that this is all agent talk.
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  Speaker 5: His agents Aaron Menz and David Spun from CAA Sports.
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  Speaker 5: They also represent Jaron Jackson. So in Jazz basketball it's
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  Speaker 5: very possible next season, and that Walker Kessler and Jaron
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  Speaker 5: Jackson the starting front court of the two big guys
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  Speaker 5: in Utah as far as Biggs have the same agency.
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  Speaker 5: That's all part of the drama and off season. The
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  Speaker 5: agents drive the dialogue. He knows that the team never
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  Speaker 5: talks about their own assets, meaning the players, and that
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  Speaker 5: Walker Kessler on social media made that point. The Jazz
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  Speaker 5: offer is absolutely the baseline, and it's more than fair
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  Speaker 5: that for the listeners right now. Walker Kesser was offered
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  Speaker 5: five years, one hundred and forty dollars one hundred and
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  Speaker 5: forty million dollars total, which comes to twenty eight million
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  Speaker 5: dollars a year. If that happened, that would be the
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  Speaker 5: largest figure ever in the history of NBA basketball for meaning,
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  Speaker 5: the largest contract for a center who never made the
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  Speaker 5: All Star Team Sean twenty eight, the largest ever for
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  Speaker 5: a center never to make an All Star team. That's
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  Speaker 5: Walker Kesler his fifth year. Walker Kessler's homegrown meaning Jazz
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  Speaker 5: drafted him and good faith. Next year started fifth season
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  Speaker 5: in the NBA. What happens? What happened this year? He
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  Speaker 5: got hurt torn labor him on his right shoulder, which
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  Speaker 5: is a shooting shoulder. He played well in those five games,
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  Speaker 5: fourteen point four points per game, ten point eight rebounds,
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  Speaker 5: and at one point eight blocks. So that's the baseline.
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  Speaker 5: They're gonna keep negotiating member. He's restricted free agent. So
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  Speaker 5: the Jazz, I'm sure I have offered this, and they're
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  Speaker 5: gonna wait totally until someone gives a different offer than
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  Speaker 5: They're gonna counter it. Once there's another offer, by another
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  Speaker 5: team that the Jazz have roughly have forty eight hours
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  Speaker 5: after they received the offer to match or move them
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  Speaker 5: on or signing trade. So that's the the math of it,
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  Speaker 5: and also the arithmetic of it, and just the dynamics
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  Speaker 5: of it. So it's all agent driven. Walker Kester wants
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  Speaker 5: to be here, The Jazz want him. The Jazz don't
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  Speaker 5: want to overpay dramatic on him. Hey we love you, dog. However,
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  Speaker 5: we don't want to give you forty five million dollars
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  Speaker 5: a year. And that's any business. So again, how do
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  Speaker 5: you view it? If you're the player, it's different. You're
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  Speaker 5: the agent, it's absolutely different. And if you're the team,
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  Speaker 5: it's different. And if you're the point guard of a team, hey,
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  Speaker 5: we won't want to go one on our roster.
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  Speaker 4: So we were going through the top center salaries in
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  Speaker 4: the league yesterday and the the twenty eight million dollars
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  Speaker 4: a year basically puts in. I think we decided it
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  Speaker 4: was ten or eleven for centers. Sure he would be
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  Speaker 4: right behind Isaiah Hartenstein. And I wonder how much, pardon me,
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  Speaker 4: I wonder how much of this is just comparative. Right,
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  Speaker 4: you're looking over the fence at what somebody else has,
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  Speaker 4: and you're going, wait, I'm better than Hartenstein. My ceiling
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  Speaker 4: is higher than Hartenstein's. Porzingis is right around thirty million
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  Speaker 4: dollars a year. You might think, well, I'm better than
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  Speaker 4: porzingis more valuable to my team than porzingis. Also, how
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  Speaker 4: much of that goes on with the player agents and
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  Speaker 4: of course the president that has been set in the
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  Speaker 4: league with other guys playing that same.
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  Speaker 5: Position paramount, And that's what you're talking about right now. Hey, Mike,
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  Speaker 5: if I'm the agent, my client is better and more potential,
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  Speaker 5: and you guys have drafted him versus the next player
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  Speaker 5: either above or below them as far as in his
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  Speaker 5: salary structure, So it does matter Hartenstein. So here's the
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  Speaker 5: question with the and the Jazz point of view is
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  Speaker 5: that we this guy is part of our future and
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  Speaker 5: Hartenstein helped the Thunder win a championship in twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 5: and we think that Walker Kesler can help us also
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  Speaker 5: be a championship type team with us whose charges sidekicks
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  Speaker 5: and that they're going to negotiate in good faith. The
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  Speaker 5: Jats are going to sign him and sol Walker Tesla.
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  Speaker 5: The question is for how much money it's all that
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's all that debate right now, and it's
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  Speaker 5: all push and pull how it all plays out. Again,
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  Speaker 5: you never want a player that you like and you nourished,
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  Speaker 5: meaning you've drafted him and helped develop him walk away.
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  Speaker 5: So that's it's gonna happen. Remember again, the rules are
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  Speaker 5: he can he can sign right now as far as
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  Speaker 5: the contract, but if they wait until soon offers them,
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  Speaker 5: they'll be It will be roughly on July fifth, after
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  Speaker 5: which is which is July first, starts the negotiation of
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  Speaker 5: all the other teams as far as giving him an offer,
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  Speaker 5: and July fifth they can start as far as making
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  Speaker 5: an official So it's it takes time.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna do our best to stay on clock. The
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  Speaker 4: number offered now twenty eight million dollars per year average
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  Speaker 4: annual value on this contract. Obviously he and his agents,
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  Speaker 4: especially his agents, want a little bit more than that.
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  Speaker 4: But we're going to take a look at the projected
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  Speaker 4: salary caps in the NBA, and of course the projected
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  Speaker 4: percentage that maybe a higher number would too for Walker
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  Speaker 4: Kessler and for the Utah Jazz. I think that's an
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  Speaker 4: important part of this discussion. So we'll take a quick break,
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  Speaker 4: we'll come back. We'll discuss that here on the Sean
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  Speaker 4: O'Connell Show. It's ESPN seven hundred and ninety tw one FM.
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  Speaker 2: Your team to the Sean O'Connell Show. From the Murdoch
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  Speaker 2: one half Ams.
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  Speaker 4: Sean O'Connell, Gordy Chiasa here for the next little while
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  Speaker 4: on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 5: Gordyee, you know why I'm playing the song shown because
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  Speaker 5: of you and because of the World Cup.
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  Speaker 1: As we talked last week about England.
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  Speaker 5: England, my team beats be Cuazd yesterday four to two,
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  Speaker 5: and this is the clash from England, one of the
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  Speaker 5: first evid political bands in the early nineteen eighties.
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  Speaker 1: So Sean, let's rock the cash.
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  Speaker 4: Ballry Kane with a great game for England yesterday. So
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  Speaker 4: in the space of a couple of days you had
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  Speaker 4: Irving Holland score two, Killian Imbape score two, Leo Messi
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  Speaker 4: scored a hat trick, Harry Kane score a brace as well,
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  Speaker 4: some of the top players in the world and Cristiano
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  Speaker 4: Ronaldo didn't even have a shot on frame. Who would
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  Speaker 4: have thunk it? Actually a lot of people did. Do
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  Speaker 4: you hear Taylor Twelveman on the Rich Eisend Show this morning,
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  Speaker 4: just just gloating about his predictions. He's been talking about
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  Speaker 4: how Ronaldo's passed it forty one years old. Anyway, that's
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  Speaker 4: a World Cup discussion. We'll have that another time.
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  Speaker 3: Here.
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  Speaker 4: We've got Gordy Chaza in studio and we were talking
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  Speaker 4: about the Walker Kessler thing. There's a math equation that
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  Speaker 4: you have to consider here when it comes to the
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  Speaker 4: salary cap, when it comes to luxury tax aprons that
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  Speaker 4: the Utah Jazz do not want to play with, and
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to the contracts that you're already obligated
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  Speaker 4: to pay to Jaron Jackson Junior, who's making almost fifty
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  Speaker 4: million dollars next year, Lowry Markinen making what forty five
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  Speaker 4: plus forty six million dollars next year and a salary
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  Speaker 4: cap that's going to be what one hundred and seventy three?
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  Speaker 4: I think yes, So the math stops mathing if you
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  Speaker 4: overpay Walker Kessler.
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  Speaker 3: His agents know that to some extent.
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  Speaker 4: He has to know that, and you're having this negotiation,
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  Speaker 4: you're having this conversation. By the way, in the same
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  Speaker 4: offseason cycle that you just saw the NBA Finals MVP
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  Speaker 4: who did not take the most money that he could
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  Speaker 4: have gotten. So it feels like bad timing for Walker
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  Speaker 4: Kessler and his team to be trying to maximize a
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  Speaker 4: contract right now. I know that I'm more a prisoner
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  Speaker 4: of the moment than any of these agents are. But
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  Speaker 4: there's just a lot of a lot of math you
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  Speaker 4: have to make work. And Gordy, what Walker Kestler a
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  Speaker 4: defensive specialist, a big man, a throwback to the nineties,
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  Speaker 4: not really a big offensive presence. What percentage of your
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  Speaker 4: salary cap can you afford to pay someone like that
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  Speaker 4: and still be a winning team?
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  Speaker 1: Sure?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, roughly?
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  Speaker 5: So next year contracts with the Jazz, with choes alluding
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  Speaker 5: to as far as they're top heavy, as far as
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  Speaker 5: in the front court, and that makes it. It's all
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  Speaker 5: part of what you know again in the big picture
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  Speaker 5: of things. So Jaron Jackson makes next year forty nine
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  Speaker 5: million dollars who they traded for, which means that they're
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  Speaker 5: absolutely committed to him, to say the least, and they
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  Speaker 5: should be. He's tremendous player. Larry Markiner makes forty six
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  Speaker 5: point one million. So when the two players in the
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  Speaker 5: Jazz are ready in the front court, they make ninety
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  Speaker 5: five million dollars. And so just safe in the narrative
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  Speaker 5: they offered Walker Kestler, meaning the Jazz management offered him
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  Speaker 5: twenty eight million dollars times five years ago one hundred
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  Speaker 5: and forty million. Just say the final settle on will say,
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  Speaker 5: just for the narrative, shown thirty five million an average,
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  Speaker 5: So which means that the Jazz suddenly are committed to
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  Speaker 5: basically one hundred and one hundred and thirty million dollars
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  Speaker 5: in the front court. And so that just shows you,
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  Speaker 5: that shows you that, which means then the piggyback to
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  Speaker 5: add to that, then what about Count de George. He's
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  Speaker 5: all part of the discussion. Is not one thing, it's
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  Speaker 5: the whole roster as far as management. So Count de George,
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  Speaker 5: he turns twenty three this November eighteenth. He's a young fella,
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  Speaker 5: and that he's a he's a talented player, and so
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  Speaker 5: he makes this year, County George, meaning next season the
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  Speaker 5: twenty six twenty seven, he makes sean only six point
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  Speaker 5: five to six million. Yeah, right, So he's saying, wait
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  Speaker 5: a second, I'm part of the future here. He's an
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  Speaker 5: extension eligible as far as rookie extension right now, and
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  Speaker 5: that if the Jazz don't get the extension and they
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  Speaker 5: give him a qualifying offer next year, he'll be restricted
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  Speaker 5: free agent after next year, just like Walker Kessel did.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: So there's been a there's been a president done right now.
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  Speaker 5: Where the Jazz paused on Walker Kesler, they did the
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  Speaker 5: right thing as a matter of fact, and they might
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  Speaker 5: pause on Cante George especially Sean again, just say, if again,
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  Speaker 5: we're playing that game. If the Jazz do draft Darren
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  Speaker 5: Peterson at two, which is very possible, if the Jazz
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  Speaker 5: is staring at either Darren Peterson or Cam Boozer either,
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  Speaker 5: you can make a discussion. Both of them are terrific talents.
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  Speaker 5: They're gonna be a foundational type players.
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  Speaker 3: So this is not a backcourt player. He's not, right,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you can't put him in your back court.
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  Speaker 5: Oh I love that discussion. Okay, all right, Sean.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't he too big, Gordy, it's like forty pounds? Oh?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, Now said he's a he's a forward in fact,
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  Speaker 5: in fact, he's actually a point forward. The way he
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  Speaker 5: plays this is Cam Booser for the listeners right now,
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  Speaker 5: Cam Boose is much different than his dad who had
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  Speaker 5: to privilege the coach. Okay, Cam Boozer is six' nine
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  Speaker 5: as a matter of, fact particular Of cambusa showing you
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  Speaker 5: realize and we'll go much detail On tuesday during the.
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  Speaker 5: Day it also more Importantly tuesday at. Night cam bus
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  Speaker 5: the youngest player in the. Draft the youngest guy in
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  Speaker 5: The draft's interesting is Cam? Busa he's eighteen years? Old
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  Speaker 5: are you kidding? Me how good he?
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  Speaker 2: Is?
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  Speaker 1: So Cam busa is a point.
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  Speaker 4: Forward here's his official physical profile from the draft. Combine,
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  Speaker 4: okay six' eight in a quarter without shoes on two
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  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty.
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  Speaker 3: Three pounds.
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  Speaker 4: Who IN the nba is playing in a backcourt at
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  Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty.
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  Speaker 5: Plus pounds, Oh, nobody, no nobody. Big no the only
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  Speaker 5: person that person is Ever Is. Lebron james, Yeah NO
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  Speaker 5: and i. Say nobody lebron is the freak of all
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  Speaker 5: freaks in a.
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  Speaker 1: Great Way.
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  Speaker 4: Lebron, james okay but back to the point you, were
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  Speaker 4: making there's and.
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  Speaker 1: That is that you.
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  Speaker 5: Want it you want to balance your ross as far,
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  Speaker 5: as positionally as far as economics.
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  Speaker 1: Of it you can't.
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  Speaker 5: Have it you can't sean tilted towards only, one area meaning,
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  Speaker 5: what okay the, front court we are loaded and we're,
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  Speaker 5: top heavy and now we can't get a mid range
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  Speaker 5: guy as far as salary sees a great break in the.
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  Speaker 5: Sense that, remember now is that as of right, now
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  Speaker 5: today as, we speak, right now guess who the third
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  Speaker 5: highest paid player In the jazz is as we speak right.
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  Speaker 1: Now, today.
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  Speaker 4: Okay So jaron jackson junior highest paid.
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  Speaker 5: And third as you speak right now, this moment now, this,
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  Speaker 5: second wow.
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  Speaker 3: Rookie deal that's.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly right but see now the rookie deals. Are up
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  Speaker 5: now wait. A second now it's, My Turn, walker kessler
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  Speaker 5: and it's. My turn Can't they george you see words for.
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  Speaker 5: The listeners this is so important why teams have to manage.
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  Speaker 1: Their.
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  Speaker 5: Roster now there's no. Perfect roster there, is not. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 5: not however the better teams that consistently win minus, major
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  Speaker 5: injuries get the majority of the contracts correct towards winning
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  Speaker 5: and also towards their age group meaning what years IN.
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  Speaker 5: The nba the lesser teams, most, times sewan they get.
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  Speaker 5: It wrong they overpaid dramatically on certain players and positions
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  Speaker 5: and they. Don't win and that's why they keep doing
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  Speaker 5: the same mistake all.
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  Speaker 1: The time it's in.
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  Speaker 5: So important that's, For, example sean, all Right The San,
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  Speaker 5: finals Is making, rainbow three is trying to DEFEND.
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  Speaker 1: The Mvp.
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  Speaker 5: Jalen, brunson Sean the spurs dilemma right now is they
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  Speaker 5: have a. Team option should they do it? Or Not And, Julian,
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  Speaker 5: champagne sewing you're sitting down. Right now his next year's
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  Speaker 5: contract is three.
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  Speaker 1: Million, Dollars. Oh, Sean see sean is laughing.
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  Speaker 5: against somebody didn't like who stole his girl friend twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: Option IN today's nba is. Like nothing it's.
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  Speaker 4: Chump change it's like going to. The diner, that's like
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  Speaker 4: that's double the league minimum. THIS year i think the
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  Speaker 4: league minium right now is. With this this past year
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  Speaker 4: was one. Point, nine, okay yeah but still so you're
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  Speaker 4: one point one over the league minimum for a player
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  Speaker 4: of that value.
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  Speaker 5: And playing right because he had, no leverage he was
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  Speaker 5: he was happy to get a two year deal with with,
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  Speaker 5: This bro i'll SHOW you i can play IN the
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  Speaker 5: nba means This is champagne, saying this and you, know
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: something he's.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Right again this.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: Is why teams win and why teams do not win
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: at any sports showing it could BE, in nfl it
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: could be, in baseball it could be. In, hockey again
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: what is the player work value? Towards winning and that
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: values what besides on, the ice on, the field on,
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: the court on the, baseball diamond it's the economic part of.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: It too, All, right well there's some more news in
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: free agency and in. Player availability the market is going
• 18:26
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• 18:29
  Speaker 4: biggest names including the biggest name of, this generation to
• 18:33
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• 18:38
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• 19:14
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• 19:25
  Speaker 2: To the Sean O'Connell show From The Murdoch hyndai STUDIO
• 19:28
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• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Welcome back To the Sean.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: O'Connell show our number two Begins, on thursday Still With
• 19:41
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  Speaker 4: Latin Industries Your Utah, VLUX dealer nba draft. Coming up
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: jazz of course holding on to the number. Two pick
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: and there seems to be at least a little bit
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: of debate about whether Or not washington is going to
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Have aj Debonsa Or darren peterson on. Their radar we
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Know That darren peterson wants to Go, to washington.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: But The utah jazz will be making.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: A pick and as it has, been established if they
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: think that the right move basketball Wise Is, darren peterson
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: they kind of don't care if he wants to work
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: out here or even if he wants to. Be here
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: they'll figure it out after. The Fact but GORDY and
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: i were talking during the break and he has it's
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: not his official, list today but he's he's got a
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: little ledger of the most impactful draft picks That this
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: jazz franchise.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Has MADE and i want. TO hear i want to hear.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: This, list yeah his list.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Right now, he said we have two, lists today but
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: this list about the draft and how it impacts the
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: organization and where a guy. Is picked, All right so
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: this is the Old Time utah jazz impactful. Draft selections
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: and to catch word. Is impactful right, Number Twelve ace
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: bally at. Number twelve he was the fifth pick in
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: the draft in twenty, twenty five and my instincts tell
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: me that he's going to go in, this list go
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: down much further each passing. The year and let's not
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Forget With. Ace billy he had a very well played.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: Rookie season he turns Twenty this, august thirteenth so. We're
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: talking he played at the first year level With the
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: jazz and played well at nineteen.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Years old, number Twelve, Aceh belly.
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  Speaker 5: Number Eleven brian russell was the forty fifth pick in
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: the draft in nineteen.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Ninety three at.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: Forty five he was the guy that we're trying to
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: Slow Down michael jordan in the playoffs and he had
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: A tremendous. Jazz career number teven a number. Ten Party,
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: andre carolinko who was picked number, twenty four Became An
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: all star With. The jazz jazz picked him at eight
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: ag eighteen years old in nineteen. Ninety nine jazz waited
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: two years to Go from Russia to america and he
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: Became A jazz stoworth number nine all time. Tremendous Player
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: paul millsap picked number forty seven in the draft in
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: two thousand. And sixteen he played For the jazz for.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: Seven years that guy played bigger than six. Foot eight
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: he's a tremendous Player in jazz basketball number eight all
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: time In Packfull gordon hayward Came An all star With
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: the jazz in. Twenty ten drafted at, number nine, number
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: seven fourth round pick in nineteen, eighty two the, fourth
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: round meaning seventy. Second overall he became a two time
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: defensive player Of.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: The year he Was An. All star Talking About.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: Mark eaton, Number Six daryl griffith was the second pick
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: of the draft in Nineteen eighty he played For the
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: jazz for. Eleven season He was rookie Of the year
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: in nineteen. Eighty one number five nickname Was. D Well
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: darren williams Became An all star and two thousand and
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: five was drafted at, number three number four all. Time
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: impactful he's picked number twenty seven in. The draft back
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: in two thy, And, Thirteen Yes rudy gobert Became An
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: all star With, the jazz three time defensive player of.
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: The years the third best ever impactful pick By the
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Jazz Was donovan mitchell back in two thousand and seventeen
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: with the thirteenth pick in.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: The draft he became A Multiple.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: All star the second greatest impactful player and you can
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: debate this one two two one. It's irrelevant both these
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: guys were. Absolutely great call malone pick number thirteen in
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: the draft back in nineteen, eighty five are you? Kidding
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: me and number one pick number sixteen in the draft nineteen.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: Eighty Four both John and Carl became hall. Of Famers
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: john stockton is the most. Impactful player so again we're
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: not talking high. Draft picks we're. Talking guys one guy was,
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: twenty seven one guy was, forty five one guy, was
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: seventeen one guy was. Twenty seven one hall of famer.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: Was sixteen one hall of famer. Is thirteen so it
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: shows you that you get. It right sometimes you guys
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: show them become, generational players.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: And that's what they're looking for with the number two
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: pick in this. Upcoming draft. Very much you kind of
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: have to get it in, this draft especially.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: Oh in the, dis draft there is no absolute constellation prizes.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Zero none the top four guys with development and with
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: usually strengths see most of these guys because they're eighteen nineteen,
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: years Old, minus boozer who's a man already at six'
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: nine two fifty five. At, Age eighteen yikes well, you
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: call us well you're. Feeding your son well. You're feeding
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: him we were you're. Feeding, him yikes however most guys
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: shown usually, JUST generally speaking i Call him sh they
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: have high hips and their leggy and that their body
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: frame is angular and they've got to get muscle messed
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: with their, chest and shoulders. Just generally speaking so these
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: guys are eighteen. Nineteen years old so the top four
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: guys are absolutely going to be ready ready eventually they
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: have all star level talent as young people once. They
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: get stronger and again let's reinforce right in their Top
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: four Guys, Agent De, Bouncer Darren, Peterson Cam, boozer caleb
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: wilson who's, his jumping jack unbelievable young Fella, talent from
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: carolina and the next two guys and five and six
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: are Very Good also Keaton woglar From ILLINOIS. And darius A.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Cuff from arkansas that should be the first six and
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: whatever order we'll find out, during the draft but all
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: six of those guys are absolutely tremendous young, fellas And
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: TALENT and sean i am, Keeeked.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: About it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Gordy some other news.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Around The association tray young is declining, his player options
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: so that makes him. A Free agent the wizards are
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: still the front runners to, re sign him but it
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: opens up The Market, for trey young and obviously they're
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: holding on to that number one overall, Pick as well
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: so they want to get this right and add a
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Talented rookie of Peterson at de banza to an already.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Pretty loaded roster you don't Want To lose tray young.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: In this Situation are the warriors at risk of somebody
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: else having a Better Offer?
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: For trey.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: Young it's unlikely he's in no worries he opt out to. Get, more,
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: years yeah Yeah we'll find we're gonna find out he
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: opt out to get more years. In his contract, And
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: You know trey young. Is A again he's i call
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: him a lightning. Rod point guard he's got talent and at,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: age twenty seven now is he mature enough to lead
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: a team or it's still it's still. ALL about him
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: i put, It, in context sean, just generally speaking if
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: your point, guard is moody the whole, team is moody
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: showing if your point, guard is erratic the whole. Organization,
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: is erratic sean the guy selling hot dogs in the,
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: twenty seventh row he's erratic right now because the, point
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: guard's erratic showing the guy selling sales, in the sale,
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: trying to sell trying to sell stuff. For the organization.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: He's a ratic because the, point guard's erratic you. Get
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: my drift so the point guard is the second most
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: important position. In professional sports and we Know, Number, one
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: sean no it's NOT even. Close nfl quarterback, without a
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: quarterback you do not. Have a franchise you do not
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: in basketball if you don't have a point guard or
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: a guy that plays like. A point guard there was
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: right now that. Definitely gets blurred right now there's very
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: few old. School, point guards? However guess, what and uh
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: the last five minutes of, every playoff game the question
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: always is who's? THE point guard i can assure you
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: When when the Nikoboggis, beat the spurs the point guard
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: Is Guess. Who jealen brunson i'm positive he was. The
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: POINT guard so i, would, always say well basketball right
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: now is position list until why you get to the playoffs,
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: and guess what who's?
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Your point guard and?
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Then you know then you know because why you get
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: exposed your lack of what we should have passed The
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: ball to wemby instead of what.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Given the, ball So example the Knicks.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: Beat the spurs part of the reason, why not total
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: but part of It was because brunson is a better
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: point Guard Than the aaron fox in the last five
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: minutes of most. Of those games is that? A, fair,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: ADJUSTMENT well.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: YEAH i, think i mean the results speak, For THEMSELVES
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: absolutely but i would have said that even.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: BEFORE it happened i would, have said that and that
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: just shows you the. Value of it so, in jazz
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: basketball as far as in this, market right now getting
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: That Point guard kante george is a, he's a guard
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: he can.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Pass the ball you have a six point four, sisters
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: a game which. Is really. Good all right he's.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: A scorer also, but the question, as always is is
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: that you've as a point GUARD, in the nba you've
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: got to get your other teammates involved in the rhythm.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: Of the game and so every once, in a while
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: instead of taking off and beating your guy one on
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: one to get two feet, in the paint, which is
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: commendable and you want to do that showing you make
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: an angle dribble to get the ball to someone coming
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: off with screening action to get that guy who hasn't
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: shot the ball in five or six trips, down.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: The court they try to hit.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: Him in space to get, him, going mentally, physically and
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: spiritually to which means now he'll be able to play
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: better defense. Down the floor he, feels More involved and
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: i'll crash the. Boards, more offensively.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Gordie this is a complete left turn, Here FOR you
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: but i.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Like left turns this is how'd you know? Show my
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: driving this is did you know you?
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Show me driving we could tell by your incredible accent
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: that You've Got your.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: New, YORK roots oh.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I love it, and The Championship, the Championship Parade The
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: New York knicks championship parade very. Much this morning if
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: you're setting yourself up on, the parade route a guy who, knows, the, city,
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: well yes right where?
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Are you Going Are? You battery park are you? Going
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: right There down The?
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Canyon of Heroes Where would gorda chiers want to set
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: up his little lawn chair to get?
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Into? This parade?
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, The Canyons.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: ABSOLUTELY and sewan i would pay a thousand dollars a
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: smone to sit in a long chair a day before
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: there You, GO against sewan i. WOULD give it i
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: would pay a guy, one thousand dollars a, thousand dollars spot.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Save my. SPOT that's awesome i was.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: With any hesitation AND then also i give, him some
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: stabucks right if you had to whatever you had to
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: do to keep my spot. On the, thing remember now,
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: they you know they. Fence you in, once you go you.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: Can't get out and. So it's interesting it's almost Like Going.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: To times square yes show in, CASE you're wondering i
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: Did Go to times square, in My youth and december thirty,
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: FIRST at night i was there with my. CRAZY lunatic
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: friends i Did Go to times Square For. The midnight Bowl.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: The images i'm seeing of the parade are it looks
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: like the most fun that could ever. Be past you
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: and you love to see that because obviously after the
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: close out after They Won, in san antonio there was
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: a little bit of, a, You know tomfoolery there, was
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: some vandalism there.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Were some shenanigans this the.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: Team is there people, are you know simultaneously elated to
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: see them and, cheering for them but not like, going
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: overly crazy being over. Zealous about it it looks like the.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Most fun ever it's it reminds me Of When the
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: chicago cubs Finally Won a world series and Everyone in
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: the Midwest decided on chicago for that.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Parade very much.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: You mean The Curse. Of, billy, goat yeah yeah they.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Finally broke it they.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: Finally broke, it and, again as always when there's so
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: many mess people in one situation and a few bad people,
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: do weird things it doesn't take away from the joy.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: Of everyone else it's just. The numbers games so, our,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: people say well there's a lot of reckless people based
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: on how, many people there, it's very few but they,
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: talk About it and i've. Said about that the most
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: important thing is that there's A Celebration in new. York
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: right now the, better team won and that's the. Catchword
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: right now the. Nickelbackers were eighteen they were constructed Very Well.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: By Leon rosse leon rose is the general manager and
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: the team President Of The new york, knicks right now
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: and they were able to get their, roster in place
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: and everybody had a defining moment to sewing. Example Right
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Now so landy shamman is A free, agent july first
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: so here we go his his. Parade Right now landy
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: shaman right, Now is celebrating he's. Pounding his, chest, people
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: say hey, we love you, we, love you dog, we
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: love you. We love you nick is saying, we love you.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: We love You and, in july first what's my? Contract,
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: gonna be hey, we love you but we can't pay you.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: This right now and that's where it. Gets so, Interesting,
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: that's why sean it's so, hard to repeat because now
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: players want to get compensated, based on winning and. That
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: they should so the question? Is how much, and so
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: again here we are They're Celebrating, In New York. Downtown
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: new york it's. A, love fest. Hey it's wonderful and
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: now for the, Last, eight years sean there's a parade
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: in the city of those teams, and guess what, It
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: didn't repeat.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: And it feels like it's not.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Gonna Repeat again james dolan talked, about the, apron the
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: apron the salary strictures that his team if he, wants
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: TO repeat and i. DON'T like this i understand that
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: the interviewers HE went on Wfa And in new york
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: and they're asking him about the, sustainability of this the
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: exact thing that you. Just brought up it's been a
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: brand new champion every year for the. Last, eight Years well,
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: the knicks fans now that, they taste this, they wanted again,
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: they wanted again. They wanted again but there's some salary
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: cap mechanisms that are going to, make that, really really
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: difficult because just like we were talking About With, the
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: utah jazz you got to extend some guys or you
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: have to try to get some people that are underpaid
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: right now up to kind of the market value For
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Their Contruct and james dolan was, asked ABOUT that and
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: i hate throwing cold water onto it the day, before
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: a parade but, he was like we're not going Into,
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: the second. Apron absolutely not, can't do it. Won't DO it,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: AND i mean. I don't know There's only what cleveland
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: was the only team that went Into the second apron.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: This, past year.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah and they had knocked out, in, The playoffs underachieved,
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: so they're saying. Wait, a second remember most owners are, very,
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: smart people sure and their other business they are absolutely
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: get it right almost. All the time but a, thing
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: called sports it's a little different now because it's so.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Emotional about it it's so different. BEING an owner i
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: send this all the time as far as a sports
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: owner when they say too when people say to, You're,
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: an owner hey what's the difference between your other business and?
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: Owning a team the, owner, always says oh. It's much
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: different how well my and my other business that THE
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: owner the i have the average workforce is forty, two
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: point five but in my basketball business, or hockey business
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: the average age is what twenty, three point five and
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: so it's, twenty year gap give a take a. Year
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: or two and that makes. Everything so different it's so it's.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: So different dynamics you're dealing with a highly paid workforce
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: that's really relatively young versus a hilly paid of holly
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: paid workforce that's in the top of their game at,
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: age forty, five forty, seven fifty.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: One fifty two, What, a difference sean.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: When you're looking at what these teams have to figure,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: out salary wise and An owner like dolan who doesn't
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: exactly have, the best reputation and then he's got to
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: answer a question, about would, you you know would you
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: spend max money in order to get this.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: CITY another championship.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: I mean he just straight, up says no which why
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: hurt the feelings of your fans when they're while they're still.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Celebrating a championship but.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: The other thing about this is the reality he can
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: now be a lot greedier financially than he was because
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: you get like a ten year leash now that you've
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: won a championship, in, every business right your franchise delivers
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: a championship to, the fan base the first one in.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Fifty three years you now have like probably a decade
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: of skating by however you want, to skate by, because,
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: you're like yeah but remember that twenty twenty six, Championship
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: we want remember that twenty twenty six? CHAMPIONSHIP we want
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: I Mean. The utah jazz If Somehow this utah jazz
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: franchise DELIVERS you, an nba championship you're good as a
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: fan for like at, least five. Years maybe, ten oh.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah very much you're living on that for. The foreseeable
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: future it's a Little Different than. New YORK potentially but
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: i kind of hate That For The new york Nick,
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: fans because dolan after, never getting there, not getting there,
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: not getting there not having having the success, that they
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: wanted he. Finally has it and, now, he's, LIKE yeah
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: see i CAN do whatever, i want now, And, he will.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Yes he can and If you're.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: A nick fan who's the GENERALIZATION of an nba situation
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: where the original Money from the knickerbockers was A company Called.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: Cable For Sure Sean so, James Doones's, father charles dolan
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: back in the nineteen, fifties and sixties his With. He
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: invented sean they invented the technology where in every hotel
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: room in the country when you want to watch a
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: movie you press a button for at that time, six
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: ninety nine, seven ninety nine, eight ninety nine, that was
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: them the Original cable vision are? You kidding me and
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: that so that gave them. The seed money to. Say
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: The least the boyd member the the Organization, owns The,
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: knicks The, Rangers The, garden Radio city the Rockets and
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: other the sphere is In, Bear, in vegas.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Vegas and now the new one that's Being. Built in
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: saudi is that Worth?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: In, saudi yes. Yeah uh yeah and ACTUALLY there's a
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: i don't know if you could call. It a conspiracy there's
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: a theory out there that The reason the knicks were
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: able to create this championship run is because.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Of the sphere have?
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: You?
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: HEARD this no, I, have not no tell me there.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Are business folks in basketball folks who think that the
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Reason that the knicks finally got over the hump here
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Is because the sphere has been occupying So much of
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: dolan's personal, attention and time and like He flies to vegas.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: All the, time he's like he's trying to make the
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: sphere a thing and, a franchiseable thing so we can
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: build four or five more of them. Around the world
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: they Want One, in hong kong he Wants It, in
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: abu dhabi he Wants, it in vegas he Wants. It
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: in london and there are a lot of business people
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: who think because he is so Preoccupied, with the sphere
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: he stopped for the last several years Meddling, with the
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: knicks stop putting his fingers, in the pie interrupting the
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: work of, HIS you know gm of. His basketball people
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: and because he's been more hands Off, with the knicks
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: it leads. To a championship so maybe If you're, a
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: knicks fan You Might have las Vegas and the sphere
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: to Think for your knicks finally.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: GETTING a ring. I, Like it okay so that's a
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: theory and behind the scenes. Only they know and Interesting
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: that the rossda was Built Though, by leon rose who's.
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: A former agent And So remember leon rose was the
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: Agent For a, Geleen Bruns's, dad ricky brunson so this.
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: HIS former agent i always say, all the time connect
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: the dots in. The off season the agents drive so much.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: Of the narrative. Connect the dots who's the agent of,
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: a certain client who's the agent, for the coaches who's
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: the agent for? A management group? Wherever they are the
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: dots usually tell you. A, partial story gordy what's?
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Your list today?
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: My? List today sean it's absolutely a short list because
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: it's this Is talk about sean the ultimate, winnings winning
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: Players the Ultimate HERE we go nba PLAYERS with, an
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: NBA title an MVP Of, the Nba Finals an, ncaight
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: championship title and Being Voted The natesmith college Player. Of the,
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: year so again YOU won, an Nba TITLE, your finals
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: mvp You won, an ncaaight title and you were the
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: most best college player when. You came Out. Here we
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: go it's absolutely. A short List Number five bill walton did.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: All those Things number Four kareem abdul jabbar did. All
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: those Things Number three magic johnson did. All those Things
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: Number two michael jordan did, all those things and number
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: one did all those things With a. Guy nickerbocker's, Name Guess.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: Who jalen. Brunson that's it five players in the, history
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: of basketball and let's give. You one, more further so,
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: those five, guys that's it the ultimate winning and then
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: these two guys after That they won. Olympic Gold medal
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: michael jordan did it twice in nineteen EIGHTY four in
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: la and in nineteen Ninety Two The, original Dream team
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: and magic did it in nineteen ninety Two With The
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: original dream team they. Won gold medal so the greatest winners? Of,
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: all time Now What. About bill russell russell had been,
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: in his group absolutely he did, all the things but
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: THERE was no mvp in the finals when he was
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: playing until, his Last Year and jerry west got It
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: and l. Ironicut IS Shown the mvp TROPHY For the
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: nba finals Is Named, after bill russell who would have
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: won all of them, every single year but. It didn't
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: happen so showing only five players in the, history of basketball,
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: the ultimate winners that's how hard it. Is To Do
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: and jalen brunson is.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: One of them added his name to a pretty, Lofty List, There.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: Bill, walton Kareem Magic. And michael wow thus that's my.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: List of today i'm looking forward to Find out. About
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: jazz basketball who's. The winners all.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: Gordy will be with us and he'll be with us
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: on The show on tuesday and then for our Draft
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: show on, tuesday night also and you won't have to
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: hear much Of me and spence because we have real
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Basketball mindes Like smitty and gordy helping us out on
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: that Draft show, on tuesday night where Of Course the
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: utah jazz will be drafting number Two Behind the washington
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: wizards