Latest / Flagler Forward - The Podcast / S1E3 - Flagler Schools and the Workforce Pipeline - Diploma Plus (CTE)
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- 0:12SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to our latest episode of Flagler Forward, the podcast.
- 0:16SPEAKER_00: I'm Lashaka Moore, Superintendent of Flagler Schools.
- 0:20SPEAKER_00: On this episode, you will get a true feel for the work Flaggler Schools is doing to help build the next generation of workforce in Flagler County and beyond.
- 0:30SPEAKER_00: Here at Flagler Schools, it all begins with our Diploma Plus initiative.
- 0:35SPEAKER_00: Helping our students prepare for life beyond the graduation stage begins with our career and technical education programs.
- 0:43SPEAKER_00: Joining us today are students from Flagler Palm Coast and Matanzas High School.
- 0:48SPEAKER_00: From FPC, we welcome Leah Lombardo.
- 0:53SPEAKER_00: And she is an Allied Health student, and she's going to talk a little bit about that today.
- 0:58SPEAKER_00: And from Matanzas, we welcome Tommy Jerkin.
- 1:01SPEAKER_00: Tommy Jerkin is a student in our building construction and technology program.
- 1:07SPEAKER_00: And he's going to share a lot about that today.
- 1:10SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the podcast.
- 1:13SPEAKER_00: We are so excited to have you.
- 1:14SPEAKER_00: We also are joined with Ms.
- 1:16SPEAKER_00: Mandy Kravrotis.
- 1:17SPEAKER_00: She is an administrator from Flacco Palm Coast High School, as well as Mr.
- 1:21SPEAKER_00: Joshua Scott.
- 1:22SPEAKER_00: He is from Matanzas High School.
- 1:24SPEAKER_00: And then the man with the plan from the district office.
- 1:28SPEAKER_00: We have Mr.
- 1:28SPEAKER_00: Martin Evans, and he helps to over um to really um you help to organize all of our career programs across the district.
- 1:39SPEAKER_00: And so we are excited to have you here with us today.
- 1:42SPEAKER_00: I have some questions that we have, but it's going to really just be a conversation, okay?
- 1:47SPEAKER_00: So jump in and share as you desire to share.
- 1:51SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna start with you, um, Mr.
- 1:53SPEAKER_00: Evans.
- 1:54SPEAKER_00: Um, for our families who are new to our district, because we often hear people say, we need to bring back trade, we need to bring back shop, we need to bring back those things.
- 2:05SPEAKER_00: So for our families who are new to our district or unfamiliar with Diploma Plus, how would you define our CTE programs compared to that which others may remember from when they were in school?
- 2:19SPEAKER_03: Yeah, sure.
- 2:20SPEAKER_03: Um, it used to be referred to as vocational education.
- 2:23SPEAKER_03: That that was kind of the term that was out there.
- 2:25SPEAKER_03: And then, of course, CTE stands for career in technical education.
- 2:28SPEAKER_03: So that's the word I try to tell people.
- 2:31SPEAKER_03: That technical part, the technology, that's really what's changed.
- 2:36SPEAKER_03: Um, you can't go to too many jobs these days, even if you are in the trades where you're not using some kind of digitized technology in some way, shape, or form.
- 2:45SPEAKER_03: So that's the really big way that it's changed.
- 2:48SPEAKER_03: Um, we still have carpentry classes.
- 2:50SPEAKER_03: You're gonna hear from a student today where he's working on uh carpentry projects.
- 2:53SPEAKER_03: We still have culinary, which is like the old home ec.
- 2:56SPEAKER_03: Um, but we now also have, you know, computer programming and we have students doing entrepreneurship where they're trying to learn to start their own business.
- 3:05SPEAKER_03: Um, we have vet assisting, uh, we have Allied Health.
- 3:09SPEAKER_03: So we're expanding it from the traditional old vocational programs to really a full career exploration.
- 3:16SPEAKER_03: Like students have a chance in high school to kind of get little bite-sized pieces of different career opportunities.
- 3:23SPEAKER_03: And then if they like one, if they feel like they're drawn to it, they have the opportunity to be a program completer, which is actually going through the program three to four classes, and then getting an industry certification in that career pathway that they can use to either forward their education into a technical school, a college, or possibly go right into the workforce.
- 3:44SPEAKER_00: So when you say um industry certification uh and those things, like what does what does that really mean?
- 3:52SPEAKER_00: Is this just a class that they're going to and just a test that they're taking, just like uh any other assessment that they would take in math or science?
- 4:00SPEAKER_00: What is an industry certification?
- 4:02SPEAKER_03: So yeah, industry certification is a specialized test designed by an industry.
- 4:08SPEAKER_03: In other words, it has to be designed by a a partner within the industry.
- 4:12SPEAKER_03: Uh, for example, NCCER is one of the groups, and it's also we have HBI as well.
- 4:17SPEAKER_03: These are groups that they have developed exams where they not only give it to students that are in high schools, they give it to anybody who's in that industry to show that they have learned that skill or that they have perfected that skill.
- 4:30SPEAKER_03: So uh, for example, um, I'll just use the construction program as a good one.
- 4:34SPEAKER_03: Um, those certifications are actually the same certifications that when somebody is going to be looking at a resume, they're going to expect to see on that resume.
- 4:43SPEAKER_03: Is a student trained in this?
- 4:44SPEAKER_03: Is the student trained in that, or the applicant in this case?
- 4:47SPEAKER_03: So it doesn't have to be a student.
- 4:48SPEAKER_03: So that's what industry certs are.
- 4:50SPEAKER_03: They are industry recognized certifications.
- 4:53SPEAKER_00: So these would be the real certifications that they would be expected to have or take if they were out in that career and not just in our in our high school.
- 5:04SPEAKER_03: Yes, absolutely.
- 5:05SPEAKER_03: And of course, you know, we try to be realistic about it.
- 5:08SPEAKER_03: Industry certs don't just lead to a career, they are part of your resume.
- 5:12SPEAKER_03: They show that you have the skills to progress in that job.
- 5:17SPEAKER_03: So that's really what it's about.
- 5:19SPEAKER_03: And uh it's not only like if they just wanted to get a taste of it, earn the industry cert, they could then go further.
- 5:27SPEAKER_03: They don't have to stop there.
- 5:28SPEAKER_03: They could use that industry cert as college credit towards a higher level degree.
- 5:34SPEAKER_03: Um, for example, again, the building construction technologies program.
- 5:37SPEAKER_03: There are colleges that will accept that industry cert as a free college course, a three credit towards an associates in science and building construction technologies.
- 5:48SPEAKER_03: So it's not just to apply for jobs, it's actually to possibly continue their education.
- 5:53SPEAKER_00: You know, one of the things that I love the most about the programs that we offer is that it's really an opportunity to save our students time and to save their families money as well.
- 6:05SPEAKER_00: Because our students uh they're in in school and they have to take classes, right?
- 6:10SPEAKER_00: But the classes you you choose and you select to take and be a part of, they really need to be uh classes and courses that are related to what you want to do once you graduate from high school.
- 6:23SPEAKER_00: So it's an opportunity really to save time and save real money also for our students.
- 6:29SPEAKER_00: You mentioned some of the programs that we offered, Mr.
- 6:32SPEAKER_00: Evans.
- 6:33SPEAKER_00: Could you mention um a few others that we offer as well as how do we go about identifying which programs we're gonna offer within our high schools?
- 6:42SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's a great question.
- 6:43SPEAKER_03: Um, I'm gonna try to get through all of them.
- 6:45SPEAKER_03: We have a lot, so sometimes it's sometimes I miss a few, but um let's just talk about FPC for a minute.
- 6:50SPEAKER_03: Um we can start with uh Allied Health, which we have a student here today from FPC's Allied Health.
- 6:55SPEAKER_03: They also have a carpentry or building construction technology program.
- 6:58SPEAKER_03: They have vet uh assist.
- 7:01SPEAKER_03: Um, and then right across the hall, they have the fire academy, which is uh is a great program we've been running for for many years in partnership with the local fire department.
- 7:11SPEAKER_03: Um we also have agriculture or agri-science, we call it now, or agri technology.
- 7:16SPEAKER_03: There's quite a few names for that.
- 7:17SPEAKER_00: Um here's technology and farming, too.
- 7:20SPEAKER_00: There is, you know.
- 7:21SPEAKER_03: And we we actually have a farm that's attached to that, that's off-site that the students can go and work at.
- 7:26SPEAKER_03: Um, we have entrepreneurship, digital video technology, digital video media and design.
- 7:33SPEAKER_03: And that's just all at Coast High School.
- 7:37SPEAKER_03: I think I got them all.
- 7:38SPEAKER_00: Did you say culinary too?
- 7:40SPEAKER_00: You mentioned culinary.
- 7:41SPEAKER_00: But what about Matanzas High School?
- 7:42SPEAKER_03: Yeah, let's go to Matanzas.
- 7:43SPEAKER_03: So Matanzas has some similar programs, so I'll just do the ones that are similar.
- 7:47SPEAKER_03: Um Allied Health, they also have there.
- 7:49SPEAKER_03: They have culinary as well.
- 7:50SPEAKER_03: They have digital media and design.
- 7:53SPEAKER_03: Um, and they have the um I say building technologies, building construction technologies.
- 7:58SPEAKER_03: Um, so then unique to Matanzas, they have a um criminal justice program, uh, which is unique to them, and uh also a marketing.
- 8:07SPEAKER_03: So instead of entrepreneurship, it's more of a marketing um and business uh exploration class.
- 8:14SPEAKER_03: Um lots of options.
- 8:16SPEAKER_03: Lots of options.
- 8:16SPEAKER_03: Did I miss it?
- 8:17SPEAKER_03: Did I miss any?
- 8:18SPEAKER_03: I feel like I did.
- 8:18SPEAKER_03: I think we have cybersecurity security.
- 8:20SPEAKER_03: Yeah, cybersecurity.
- 8:21SPEAKER_00: It just popped, it's just like Yeah, so so many options, and families and our community can go to our website, flaglerschools.com, and see a listing of all the programs that we offer within our high schools.
- 8:33SPEAKER_00: We're just talking about high schools.
- 8:35SPEAKER_00: We haven't even started to talk about what we offer in our middle schools as well.
- 8:39SPEAKER_00: And what I love about what we've done here in Flagler Schools and our Flagler School Board has supported this is we have open choice within our district.
- 8:49SPEAKER_00: So if a program is at Matanzas High School, but you're zoned for Flagler Palm Coast High School, you can go to Matanzas High School for that program.
- 8:59SPEAKER_00: Another big one that we missed is we didn't talk anything about the options that are available through Flagler Technical College because those are also options that are available to our students as well.
- 9:10SPEAKER_00: So for those students that are into heavy machinery and uh want to be a truck driver, like all of those different programs.
- 9:18SPEAKER_00: Um, HVAC is there, electricians, all of those programs.
- 9:23SPEAKER_00: So when I hear people in the community say, we need to bring back trades, and I would say to them, we do have these programs.
- 9:30SPEAKER_00: Come and tour our schools and see the great things that are um happening.
- 9:34SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna shift, thank you, Mr.
- 9:35SPEAKER_00: Evans, a little bit to our students to ask them a few questions.
- 9:40SPEAKER_00: Um, and either one of you can answer.
- 9:43SPEAKER_00: Tell me what made you decide to go into your programs of choice.
- 9:48SPEAKER_00: You're gonna definitely be her because you got two mics right now.
- 9:51SPEAKER_00: Uh tell me what made you decide to take your diploma plus class that you're in.
- 9:57SPEAKER_00: Um, what was the deciding factor?
- 9:59SPEAKER_00: And either one of you can answer.
- 10:00SPEAKER_00: Both of you will eventually answer, so either one can start.
- 10:03SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna be completely honest.
- 10:04SPEAKER_04: I didn't even know what Allied Health was when I was in eighth grade, and I was looking at options, and there were options given to me of what I can do in high school.
- 10:14SPEAKER_04: So I went and it was I remember it was when we were touring FPC at one of the Club Rush or one of the open houses, and I went to the classroom.
- 10:25SPEAKER_04: My mom brought me there, I went there, and I saw like inside, and it I don't know why, I just thought it was so cool.
- 10:30SPEAKER_04: The beds with you, we can see the beds with the dummies.
- 10:33SPEAKER_04: I met the teacher at the time there, and it was just it it held my attention, and so I took it because it also didn't seem like a class or a program that would make me like I don't know how to explain it, make it like lock me in.
- 10:48SPEAKER_04: Like it was it was very like I'm exploring my options when I chose it.
- 10:52SPEAKER_04: So it was good that I had that option to go to, and the fact that I really got to see the room, that was really cool, and that's what made me choose it.
- 11:01SPEAKER_04: Because in eighth grade, when I saw Allied Health, I had no clue what that meant.
- 11:04SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
- 11:05SPEAKER_04: So when I went to the school and I saw it, that's when it like was really cool.
- 11:09SPEAKER_00: I love that you said that it you didn't feel like you had to be locked in.
- 11:13SPEAKER_00: I think that that is one of the things that people often think is because you're in allied health, like we're saying you have to be a nurse or you have to be a doctor or you have to be this.
- 11:23SPEAKER_00: No, it's giving you an opportunity to learn about many different roles in the medical field.
- 11:30SPEAKER_00: And to Mr.
- 11:31SPEAKER_00: Evans' point, is this is maybe an opportunity for you to enter into the field, but it is gonna lead you to other careers in that field.
- 11:40SPEAKER_00: And so I love that.
- 11:41SPEAKER_00: And I and I want that to, I want our families to understand that as well is to be a part of Allied Health doesn't mean that you have to be a nurse or a doctor.
- 11:50SPEAKER_00: It just means I am going to explore options within the healthcare field.
- 11:55SPEAKER_00: Now, you we do have, to Mr.
- 11:58SPEAKER_00: Evans' point, we do have certifications that you can leave with and all of those things, which are great, but we're not locking uh students into like one thing when they go into those programs, but we want you to complete the program and really see all the options that are available.
- 12:14SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I just want to add because I think it's really one of the most amazing things about the Allied Health program is, and I don't know if you started yet, I know they're getting ready to, but we just uh figured out how to do our clinicals.
- 12:23SPEAKER_03: This is where students can actually go to the hospital during their class and pretty much, you know, shadow, but they're going to be watching the jobs that the people in the hospital do.
- 12:36SPEAKER_03: And and they get real experience.
- 12:37SPEAKER_03: And and that's just I I get so excited about that.
- 12:40SPEAKER_03: Because that's really what you want to see.
- 12:42SPEAKER_04: And I'm pretty sure you're not locked into one area of the hospital.
- 12:45SPEAKER_04: You're going to multiple different areas, so you're exploring different kinds of nurses or different floors, whatever they are.
- 12:53SPEAKER_04: So you can see, like, oh, I didn't like that one, but that held my interest.
- 12:57SPEAKER_04: So that's a really cool opportunity.
- 12:59SPEAKER_04: Excellent.
- 12:59SPEAKER_04: I'm excited.
- 13:00SPEAKER_00: I'm so happy that you shared that because this doesn't work without community partnership.
- 13:05SPEAKER_00: And so we don't want our students just learning in isolation in our classrooms.
- 13:11SPEAKER_00: We want them out in the community learning and connecting with businesses.
- 13:17SPEAKER_00: So I say to our community, uh, please partner with us because our students, they're receiving a great education here in Flagler County.
- 13:28SPEAKER_00: But what we really want is for them to remain here in Flagler County.
- 13:33SPEAKER_00: We want them, even if they're gonna go away to college.
- 13:35SPEAKER_00: Leah, I hope you go away to college and you come back and now you are living here in Flagler County and working here in Flagler County because you've received a great education here.
- 13:45SPEAKER_00: So, Tommy, tell us a little bit about why you decided to go into building construction technology.
- 13:53SPEAKER_01: Alright, so um I've had a I had a very similar experience to Leah whenever I did the eighth grade tour of Matanzas.
- 14:00SPEAKER_01: And I I walked in that classroom and like it was just full of benches.
- 14:04SPEAKER_01: Like they sat at the benches that they built, their projects all over the wall, and something like in that moment just really sparked with me.
- 14:12SPEAKER_01: Um but I've always been very like construction-oriented, like I've ever since I like played with Legos when I was a kid, I it just really clicked with me.
- 14:20SPEAKER_01: I I wanted to be able to take on some sort of construction course, and um I've always been around uh like my dad used to build a bunch of different uh things.
- 14:32SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so so tell me like what is one of the most memorable things that you have.
- 14:37SPEAKER_00: You have a phenomenal teacher too.
- 14:39SPEAKER_00: Yes, shout out to your teacher, Douglas.
- 14:42SPEAKER_00: Yes, he is so great, and he's probably like you know, shy that we're mentioning him right now.
- 14:47SPEAKER_00: Um, but tell me one of the most memorable things that you've done in his class.
- 14:52SPEAKER_01: So I've done a lot of cool things in that class.
- 14:56SPEAKER_01: Um pretty recently we were able to work on the set for a theater production, and I think that was really memorable for me.
- 15:05SPEAKER_01: But overall, I would say the most memorable thing was a birdhouse that I worked on in my first year because it was the first time that I really put something together.
- 15:16SPEAKER_01: Like I cut all the wood, I put it together, and it was it was something that I made.
- 15:20SPEAKER_01: And I had never had that experience before in like all my life, I had wanted to feel that kind of experience.
- 15:27SPEAKER_00: Well, I love that.
- 15:28SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
- 15:29SPEAKER_00: And I and I love that you share that you guys are making and building things that um you get to see completed, the work that you're doing completed there.
- 15:39SPEAKER_00: You know, these programs are excellent programs, and you the two of you are just um examples of the great things that are happening.
- 15:47SPEAKER_00: But something I want to really just reiterate that you both have said it's about going and visiting the high school.
- 15:53SPEAKER_00: It is so important that our families bring their children to our high schools to do a tour.
- 16:00SPEAKER_00: Over the next few months, you're gonna hear a lot about an eighth-grade career fair.
- 16:05SPEAKER_00: You're gonna hear a lot about course selection, you're gonna hear a lot about opportunities for students to come within the schools and see, because somebody is thinking that you're learning about medicine and you're learning about construction in a traditional class with just desk.
- 16:22SPEAKER_00: And then they are gonna be surprised when they walk in and see that you are work learning in an environment that uh resembles the environment that you will eventually work in if you so choose to stay within those fields.
- 16:36SPEAKER_00: So thank you for bringing that out.
- 16:38SPEAKER_00: I'm going to ask a question to uh your administrators since they haven't had an opportunity uh to chat yet.
- 16:45SPEAKER_00: And we don't want to leave them out today.
- 16:47SPEAKER_00: Um, so when you think about the programs that you are offering on your um campuses, um, what are you saying, what would you say is the biggest misconception that families have about their their child's ability to go into those classes?
- 17:06SPEAKER_00: And are these programs for everyone, or are they just for, you know, super bright students like Leah and Tommy?
- 17:15SPEAKER_00: Or do we truly have a program that can meet the needs of all of the students that we have on your um campuses?
- 17:22SPEAKER_05: Yeah, absolutely.
- 17:23SPEAKER_05: So I think that one of the biggest misconceptions is that it is like the vote vocational of our parents' age, our our um students' parents' age, where it feels very separate.
- 17:37SPEAKER_05: This is just one class that the student goes to or maybe two periods.
- 17:42SPEAKER_05: The day is it is the elective for that student.
- 17:45SPEAKER_05: The day is the same.
- 17:46SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you are not in a different school, it doesn't feel any different.
- 17:50SPEAKER_05: Leah is super involved in SGA, sports, all kinds of things.
- 17:55SPEAKER_05: It is this is just her chosen elective.
- 17:57SPEAKER_05: Um, I think that that misconception we um parents don't want to separate their kids out or feel like they're gonna miss any of the high school experience.
- 18:06SPEAKER_05: And I know I think they this adds to the high school experience.
- 18:09SPEAKER_00: I love that.
- 18:09SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
- 18:10SPEAKER_00: What would you add?
- 18:11SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I would agree.
- 18:12SPEAKER_02: It's it's like one class that he's doing.
- 18:14SPEAKER_02: Well, and Tommy's example, he's a TA for Mr.
- 18:17SPEAKER_02: Douglas, and he's got him double booked at the end of the day to help work on the tiny house.
- 18:21SPEAKER_02: So he's in there for three periods.
- 18:22SPEAKER_02: It's my choice.
- 18:23SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's kind of an upperclassman.
- 18:25SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it's it's not like we're pigeonholing them into this either.
- 18:29SPEAKER_02: So, you know, they come in as freshmen and they try out a program, let's say it doesn't go well.
- 18:35SPEAKER_02: Well, sophomore year, they may want to try a different program, and maybe that one sticks more.
- 18:39SPEAKER_02: But the the goal is that, you know, by the time you leave high school, that you've got somewhat of an understanding of what you maybe don't want to do or what you really want to do too.
- 18:47SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
- 18:48SPEAKER_05: And I I'm sorry, I just appreciate the open access that we have.
- 18:51SPEAKER_05: There isn't a barrier to enter these programs.
- 18:54SPEAKER_05: So if I am interested, it's you know, course selection just like any other course would be.
- 19:00SPEAKER_05: There's there's no gatekeeping in these programs, there's no um requirement really.
- 19:06SPEAKER_05: There the only requirement at FPC for um Allied Health is a satisfactory reading score because the ninth graders take biology and anatomy, which is very reading heavy.
- 19:18SPEAKER_05: That is the only program where we have any kind of stipulation, and that's just for student success.
- 19:23SPEAKER_05: But you anybody can jump into any of these programs and and try them out.
- 19:27SPEAKER_00: That I will make this um as the two final points uh on this is one, there's a program for everyone, right?
- 19:35SPEAKER_00: Yes, and when we say all of our students, we really mean that, and you can walk the campuses and see our students uh participating in programs.
- 19:46SPEAKER_00: And so this is just one of the plus options that are available for our students.
- 19:51SPEAKER_00: But our students also have an opportunity for advanced coursework, they also have an opportunity for JR OTC and all of these other um options.
- 20:00SPEAKER_00: What I also want to end this conversation with is that there was a time that vocational work seemed um inferior to those who were college-bound.
- 20:14SPEAKER_00: That is not what this is.
- 20:16SPEAKER_00: That is not how we really in the state of Florida look at career and technical education.
- 20:22SPEAKER_00: What we know is there are some students that are gonna graduate from high school and they're gonna go to college, and that's great for that student, and we wanna support them in that.
- 20:31SPEAKER_00: We have some students that are going to graduate from high school and they're gonna go into their careers, and we want to help to aid that.
- 20:38SPEAKER_00: We want our students to be able to graduate with certifications that will allow for them to go right into their career.
- 20:44SPEAKER_00: And then we know that there are students that are gonna graduate and they're gonna go proudly serve our country, and we wanna make sure we have options for those students as well.
- 20:53SPEAKER_00: Did you have a final thought, Tommy?
- 20:55SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I just wanted to thank you so much for having me here today.
- 20:59SPEAKER_01: Um, if I could leave off saying anything, I would just say that I, if you are in eighth grade or ninth grade, I would highly recommend looking into taking uh one of these uh CTE courses because not only do they widen your scope of like what you want to do in the future, but they leave you with skills that you can implement like throughout your daily life.
- 21:20SPEAKER_01: Like ever since I took this course, I've just been able to accomplish so many more things.
- 21:25SPEAKER_01: Like, I I build things in my house that I use on a daily basis, and overall, there's just so much that you can learn from these courses, and you will use them in your life.
- 21:35SPEAKER_00: Oh, thank you for sharing that.
- 21:37SPEAKER_00: I probably have some things that I need your help uh building and fixing um in my home, in my house too, because I always think that I can build something, and then you know, at the end I need a little bit extra help, and that's when I call professionals like you to come in and help me.
- 21:51SPEAKER_00: Um, any final thoughts, uh Leah?
- 21:54SPEAKER_04: I also just want to say thank you.
- 21:55SPEAKER_04: This is so cool.
- 21:56SPEAKER_04: Um, and also I completely agree.
- 21:59SPEAKER_04: It things might look completely different on paper, and then when you go to the school and you see it, that's when that's when it really solidifies, and that's when I think.
- 22:08SPEAKER_04: If you can go and look around the schools, definitely should if you're listening.
- 22:13SPEAKER_00: Next month we take a look at the arts here in Flagler Schools, and we welcome Craig Uppercue.
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