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The Week That Was – 31st March 2023 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Got the member for Catherine, Joe Hersey in the studio
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  Speaker 1: with us this morning for the week. That was Good
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  Speaker 1: morning Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners.
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  Speaker 1: And we've got nine News. Darwin's Kathleen Gazola. Good morning
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  Speaker 1: to you, Kathleen. And we've got the Minister for Transport Infrastructure,
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  Speaker 1: she's the treasurer. She's got a lot of portfolios. Eva Laula,
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  Speaker 1: good morning to you. An all female lineup today. Great
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  Speaker 1: to have you all in the studio. And look, there
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  Speaker 1: is so much happening around the territory. I do just
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  Speaker 1: want to say very quickly though, we know that Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump has been indicted in a case sport by the
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  Speaker 1: Manhattan District Attorney's office into his alleged cover up of
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  Speaker 1: hush money payment to a pawn star ahead of the
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen presidential election. That's according to multiple US media outlets.
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  Speaker 1: You just couldn't write about this star, good John.
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  Speaker 3: That actually happened exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll keep an eye on that, no doubt, there'll
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  Speaker 1: be plenty of flowing through on that one throughout the day.
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  Speaker 1: Now let's head across though to some pretty serious issues,
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  Speaker 1: well very serious issues. In fact, around the territory, we
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  Speaker 1: do know that decland Lavity well. Less than two weeks ago,
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  Speaker 1: the life of Declan Lavity was tragically cut short.
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  Speaker 3: He was allegedly stabbed while doing his job at b
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  Speaker 3: W Wes.
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  Speaker 1: Family, friends and the community members will today gather to
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  Speaker 1: say farewell to the young bottle shop worker at his
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  Speaker 1: funeral in cans So. An incredibly sad time for his family,
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  Speaker 1: for everybody involved, and such a tragic time. I think
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  Speaker 1: it has been over since his loss over the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks, it's been a really sad time around
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  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's really touched the entire Northern Territory really.
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  Speaker 4: I think everyone was left really shocked at the beginning
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  Speaker 4: of last week when that news came out, and then
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  Speaker 4: obviously his family has been very open and you know,
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  Speaker 4: out there with sharing their grief and thanking the community
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  Speaker 4: for their support as well, which I think has added
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  Speaker 4: another element to it. Obviously that's very difficult and I
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  Speaker 4: mean obviously each their own whenever they're going through their
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  Speaker 4: own tragedy as to what they feel comfortable doing.
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  Speaker 3: So it has been.
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  Speaker 1: Very brave of his family to speak the way that
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  Speaker 1: they have, you know, particularly when his dad came out
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  Speaker 1: sort of, you know, less than twelve hours after and
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  Speaker 1: really shared some really nice memories about his son. And
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  Speaker 1: I know it's you know, all of us in this
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  Speaker 1: room and all of us in the territory have been
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  Speaker 1: touched by tragedy at different times. But for him to
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  Speaker 1: be so strong and articulate, I think was a really
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  Speaker 1: incredible thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: I'd say, amazing thing to do. So, yeah, terrible, terrible tragedy,
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  Speaker 2: but I mean I think, I mean, I've got a son,
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  Speaker 2: I think I'd be in a fetal position in bed
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  Speaker 2: or under the doner for home forever almost.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that their parents have been truly amazing. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: that the service today will be beautiful and kens Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 4: You put a human face to it, right. You know,
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  Speaker 4: usually you hear awful instance of tragedy in the news
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  Speaker 4: and that kind of stuff, and you feel for what
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  Speaker 4: the family's going through, but you don't really know that person.
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  Speaker 4: And I think everyone's kind of got an insight to
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  Speaker 4: the type of young man Declan was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's spot on, And well, what we
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  Speaker 1: then saw on the weekend was thousands of Territorians will
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  Speaker 1: stand in solidarity at the steps of Parliament House on
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  Speaker 1: Saturday morning. They rallied against the rate of crime that
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing, but also to pay their respects to young
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  Speaker 1: Decklan Lavity. And I haven't seen that many people on
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  Speaker 1: the steps of Parliament House for a rally before. I'm
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  Speaker 1: a quite incredible Yeah, I'm happy to be proven wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but I haven't seen that many people sort of gather
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  Speaker 1: in that way for something, you know, for something before
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  Speaker 1: that they felt so strongly about it.
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  Speaker 3: They were pretty incredible scenes.
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  Speaker 5: I think it just goes to show how much it
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  Speaker 5: did touch the whole of the territory. And as you said,
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  Speaker 5: all of us have children and I couldn't even imagine
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  Speaker 5: how that family, what they were going through. However, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: Opposition members were there in Catherine. We had a smaller gathering.
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  Speaker 5: You know, there was a there was a great local
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  Speaker 5: Indigenous couple that stood up in Catherine and said, you know,
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  Speaker 5: parents need to be more accountable. There needs to be
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  Speaker 5: more accountability for you know, what their children are doing
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  Speaker 5: at the time. But it was really interesting to see
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  Speaker 5: that was an opportunity for government to come out and
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  Speaker 5: listen to people. You know, yeah, four thousand strong crowd there.
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  Speaker 5: I know Eva you said that, you know, it wasn't
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  Speaker 5: a place for me. I just think that was an
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  Speaker 5: absolute opportunity that it was a place for you. But
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  Speaker 5: you know, where were you if that wasn't a place
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  Speaker 5: for you. I mean, there was no There were no
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  Speaker 5: government members there. I know when I go out when
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  Speaker 5: I'm here for Parliament and you're talking to people out
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  Speaker 5: in the community, John John's often you know, he's a
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  Speaker 5: great source of, you know, getting a measure on what's
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  Speaker 5: happening in the city. We have seen more police out
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  Speaker 5: in the city. But it really was an opportunity for
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  Speaker 5: government to listen to the general community out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so obviously this question came up during question time
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  Speaker 2: and I gave a full explanation. Then I disagree. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't the place for a politician. It was an opportunity
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  Speaker 2: for people who wanted to grieve to be there. It
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  Speaker 2: was an opportunity for people to gather. If politicians had
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  Speaker 2: been there or government members had been there, it sets
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  Speaker 2: off as a flash point. Then there are people that
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  Speaker 2: then you are very angry, and it wasn't supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be that sort of gathering. It was supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: a gathering of people, and I mean the advice that
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  Speaker 2: we heard was that it was supposed to be non political,
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  Speaker 2: and ass I said at the time, I mean, most
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  Speaker 2: people see the cop and their Okah shirts with their
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  Speaker 2: face on their backs. They didn't wear their shirts there,
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  Speaker 2: so that tells me that they didn't want it to
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  Speaker 2: be political as well. So it was much better that
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  Speaker 2: there wasn't a political face to it. And what we
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  Speaker 2: saw then was a rally of people who it was
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  Speaker 2: a calm It was very much a chance for people
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  Speaker 2: to express their feelings. If there's been politicians there, there
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  Speaker 2: would have ended up with disagreements. There would have been,
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  Speaker 2: as I said, some flashpoints there. But you know, just
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  Speaker 2: because we weren't there didn't mean that we weren't listening
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  Speaker 2: as well. Of course we saw and heard what went
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  Speaker 2: on there. I was out and about in my electorate.
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  Speaker 2: I spoke to people who had been at the rally.
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  Speaker 2: They came up to me and spoke to me as
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  Speaker 2: well about those things.
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  Speaker 1: And we will talk about some of the changes that
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  Speaker 1: the government or some of the announcements that have been
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  Speaker 1: made throughout this.
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  Speaker 3: Week before we get there.
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  Speaker 1: Though there is also we know that there has been
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  Speaker 1: a petition which was started by a territory of Mitchell Edwoods.
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  Speaker 3: His name is.
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  Speaker 1: He spoke to us on the show last week. It's
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  Speaker 1: been signed by more than ten thousand people into the
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  Speaker 1: issues with and we have also been spoken to two
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  Speaker 1: John in Catherine just a couple of days ago about
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  Speaker 1: the petition that's been signed in Catherine as well.
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  Speaker 2: And John and Shirley bought a petition.
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  Speaker 5: About the crime and anti social behavior and I lodged
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  Speaker 5: that in Parliament this week. But those they had eight
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  Speaker 5: hundred and nineteen signatures on that. But that was just
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  Speaker 5: by purely John and Shirley walking the streets, going and
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  Speaker 5: talking to as many people as they could in seven days.
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  Speaker 5: And so you know, if that's what they got in
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  Speaker 5: seven days, if it had been a longer lead up
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  Speaker 5: to that, there would have been a lot more people
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  Speaker 5: that would have signed that petition.
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  Speaker 2: And good on them for doing that.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the message is very loud and clear, and
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  Speaker 1: it is something that Kat, you and I have been
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  Speaker 1: reporting on loss for years. It feels like to the
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  Speaker 1: point where you know, we're we get sick of reporting
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  Speaker 1: on it, where you feel like it is all that
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about. But even this morning, you know, I've
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  Speaker 1: had at someone that I work with come in and
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  Speaker 1: show me photos of her brother's car that somebody had
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  Speaker 1: attempted to steal last night.
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  Speaker 3: They tried to hot wire it. There's a knife then
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  Speaker 3: in the car as well.
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  Speaker 1: The really crappy thing is is that it's happening all
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  Speaker 1: the time, and that's the sad part. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that that's a frustration that a lot of Territorians, and
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  Speaker 1: I think probably all of us in this room feel
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  Speaker 1: that we were over it. We're over you know, people
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  Speaker 1: behaving in a way that is not acceptable. We're over
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  Speaker 1: you know, the fact that there are people walking around
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  Speaker 1: with knives, breaking into other people's homes, threatening people. It's
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  Speaker 1: something that we actually spoke to Helen's secretary is that
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of you know earlier in the week,
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  Speaker 1: and her words were really strong. She had said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: enough is enough, and that parents do need to take
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  Speaker 1: responsibility for their children's actions, but also if you're coming
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  Speaker 1: in from another community, that you don't behave like that
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  Speaker 1: on Larakia Land, and I thought that it was really
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  Speaker 1: important to hear that message from Alarakia traditional life not
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  Speaker 1: that it's not okay and that all of us have
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  Speaker 1: had enough of that.
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  Speaker 4: Totally fed up. And I mean to see that turnout
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  Speaker 4: at the at the gathering, I was, I was blown away.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, territories are notorious for, you know, saying they're
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  Speaker 4: going to do one thing.
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  Speaker 3: Perhaps we're not ripping up.
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  Speaker 2: So there was going to be a lot, but I
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  Speaker 2: had no.
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  Speaker 4: Idea, but absolutely like and that just shows this year
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  Speaker 4: the feeling within the community of how fed up people
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  Speaker 4: are with the situation. We have been talking about the
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  Speaker 4: issue of crime for years. I mean, I remember standing
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  Speaker 4: at a press conference with the Chief Minister and a
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  Speaker 4: police officer at will Lagi Primary School when it was trashed,
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  Speaker 4: what four five years ago, and we were already seeing
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  Speaker 4: spiking things, being like this, there's obviously an issue, what
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  Speaker 4: are you going to do about it, and feeling really
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  Speaker 4: like we were being.
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  Speaker 3: Fed off, fed fobbed off.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and we've heard announcement after announcement and
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  Speaker 4: it feels like things aren't getting better and it's getting worse.
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  Speaker 4: And so I think during last week on my own
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  Speaker 4: social media, seeing the number of people saying how over
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  Speaker 4: it they were. Long term territorians, we've talked about other
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  Speaker 4: friends that we've got have looking at leaving because they're
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  Speaker 4: just so done with it. It really is a sad
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  Speaker 4: state of affairs that we've gotten to this.
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  Speaker 3: Point, Shiva.
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  Speaker 1: Is the government, I mean we'll talk about these announcements
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  Speaker 1: in a second, but is the government truly hearing what
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  Speaker 1: the community's saying?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, Katie. I mean we're as frustrated as anybody.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've said this many times. A good day
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  Speaker 2: is when somebody doesn't walk into my electorate office or
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  Speaker 2: I don't get an email or Facebook message around crime.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely fed up with it. And this is a broad
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  Speaker 2: issue across our society and not just the territory across
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  Speaker 2: the top of the I think it's all of Northern Australia.
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  Speaker 2: But it does go back to that if the parents
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  Speaker 2: are not telling their kids that you should not be
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  Speaker 2: breaking into people's places, that you should not have a knife,
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  Speaker 2: who is telling these kids? So we do these changes legislation,
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  Speaker 2: we do these things, but how do the message get through?
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  Speaker 2: Are there people that are listening to us now, lying
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  Speaker 2: in their beds or whatever they're doing on a Friday morning,
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  Speaker 2: who are thinking tonight I'm going to go out and
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  Speaker 2: break into a place, because if you are, don't, so
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  Speaker 2: who's telling those people, Who's saying to them you need
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  Speaker 2: to get a job, You need to actually go to school.
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  Speaker 2: So that's one of the things that I can control
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  Speaker 2: as Education Minister. We've had a huge push this year
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  Speaker 2: on attendance because if a kid goes to school, will
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  Speaker 2: they learn in school that you need to sit down,
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  Speaker 2: get on with your schoolwork, not steal other people's things,
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  Speaker 2: or you'll be there'll be punishments for that. So that's
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  Speaker 2: the issue. All of us good people are talking about crime,
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  Speaker 2: What about the bloody Sorry, what about the people who
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  Speaker 2: are damn well committing the crime. They're listening because the
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  Speaker 2: community is sick of you.
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  Speaker 3: IV.
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy to hear you fire up because honestly, that's
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  Speaker 1: how the community feels. We've all had a gut full.
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  Speaker 1: We're so over it, were so sick of it. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, you do still see kids at the Bloody
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  Speaker 1: shopping center. Yesterday I had to go out there during
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  Speaker 1: school hours and there's still kids walking around.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this is kid.
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  Speaker 5: We've been at boiling point here in the territory for
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  Speaker 5: a very long time, and obviously the death of declin
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  Speaker 5: was absolutely tragic, but I think following that the government
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  Speaker 5: have been tone deaf to what people the community have
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  Speaker 5: actually wanted to see. And then we've seen you know,
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  Speaker 5: BAO reform come in. We put amendments up to that
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  Speaker 5: bail reform, but it actually didn't you know, it was
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  Speaker 5: voted down by government.
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  Speaker 2: This needs to be bipartisan.
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  Speaker 5: We all need to be working together and I think
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  Speaker 5: the community absolutely expect that of us in something that
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  Speaker 5: is right across the territory first and foremost on territorian's minds.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a very quick break because when we come back,
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  Speaker 1: I do want to talk about some of the changes
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  Speaker 1: that well that were passed in parliament this week and
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  Speaker 1: some of the other things that have been announced. If
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  Speaker 1: you've joined us in the studio this morning, Eva Laula,
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  Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola and Joe Hersey. Now we know that throughout
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  Speaker 1: the week tougher bail laws pasted then Northern Territory Parliament
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  Speaker 1: following the terrible incident that we saw just a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks ago and well outcry from the community. But
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  Speaker 1: the reforms won't apply to offenses involving improvised weapons like
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  Speaker 1: rocks and bottles. So the opposition had pushed for an
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  Speaker 1: amendment which would have seen those improvised weapons included in
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  Speaker 1: those changes, but it didn't get up.
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  Speaker 3: We know though, that when we spoke to the.
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  Speaker 1: Attorney General earlier in the week, we were told that
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  Speaker 1: alleged co offenders will also be subject to a presumption
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  Speaker 1: against bail even if they do not possess a weapon themselves. Now, Kathleen,
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  Speaker 1: you weren't in the studio with us last week, but
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  Speaker 1: this is something that we'd spoken about last week, and
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  Speaker 1: I know that you and I had discussed that afterwards,
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  Speaker 1: but it was something that it didn't seem like this
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  Speaker 1: was going to change on Friday last week. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: the Police Minister had said no, that that the bill
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  Speaker 1: was at neutral and that there wasn't going to be
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  Speaker 1: a knee jerk reaction. But then there was a change.
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  Speaker 1: And look, I think it's a change that the community
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  Speaker 1: is calling for, absolutely, So I disagree with the government
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  Speaker 1: actually doing this, so I think that it needed to happen.
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  Speaker 1: But does it go far enough, I guess is the
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  Speaker 1: question that a lot in the community are asking.
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  Speaker 4: And many would feel like it doesn't given it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: include those improvised weapons of rocks, cars, sticks, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: anything that's fashioned into a weapon that we've seen in
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  Speaker 4: particular over the past couple of weeks. You know, it
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  Speaker 4: was interesting to see the announcement on Tuesday and the
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  Speaker 4: timing of it before Parliament began, because even the day
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  Speaker 4: before the Attorney General had you held back on saying
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  Speaker 4: there was announcement coming, the review is still going, we
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  Speaker 4: won't make knee jerk reactions, will take a considered approach,
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  Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden the next day in
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  Speaker 4: it came. So I think certainly the turnout at the
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  Speaker 4: rally would have had an impact on the government's plans
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  Speaker 4: as to what they were doing, because the timing was
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  Speaker 4: extremely interesting that it was being brought in because they'd
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  Speaker 4: held out doing something and ramped up that pressure on
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  Speaker 4: needing that immediate action, that's for sure. And I think
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  Speaker 4: it was really interesting some commentary within Parliament about you know,
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  Speaker 4: during question time that the government asks their backbenches asked
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  Speaker 4: the ministers of you know, what policies they're doing, and
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  Speaker 4: there have been no questions about those bail changes.
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  Speaker 2: The questions from the oppositions.
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  Speaker 4: But yesterday, following on from the Chief Minister's announcement about
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  Speaker 4: the buyer back scheme, there were questions from the back
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  Speaker 4: benches about those interesting. I think that says a lot
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  Speaker 4: in terms of the opposition. I think there has been
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  Speaker 4: some not complete consensus within the team as to how
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  Speaker 4: to approach this because it didn't feel like the Attorney
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  Speaker 4: General was really sold on.
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  Speaker 5: These transparent That is something that they came to the
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  Speaker 5: election they were going to be accountable and transparent.
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  Speaker 2: And Katie Translate, absolutely, they absolutely are not.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, let's make it clear, Katie, the Opposition
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  Speaker 5: absolutely welcome the reforms, but we just think it didn't
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  Speaker 5: go far enough.
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  Speaker 2: Two years ago we bought in bail reform. It was
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  Speaker 2: knocked back because it didn't we didn't.
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  Speaker 5: We had two amendments to the bar reform to include
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  Speaker 5: all violent offenders and then we had the to include
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  Speaker 5: improvised weapons. You know, it was, as I said earlier,
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  Speaker 5: it was it was an opportunity for there to be
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  Speaker 5: bipartisan support coming together on a on a you know,
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  Speaker 5: something that every Territorian thinks about community safety, and it
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  Speaker 5: was just knocked back by the government. They were not
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  Speaker 5: even prepared to come and meet half way.
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  Speaker 3: Star pickets and were not other weapons.
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  Speaker 2: Let's step through this. So we the presumption against bail
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  Speaker 2: is around controlled and prohibited weapons. So kN and that
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  Speaker 2: list is clear, you know, and I read it out
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: in Parliament. So those are the things that are weapons.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: So they if you looked in someone at the backseat
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: of the car you're just talking about, you see a knife,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: it's very clear that that's a weapon. You know, other
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: things there's you know, and let's face it, we have lawyers,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: defense lawyers who will argue against somebody having some other
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: thing in the car or wherever. So we have said
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: that we'll review that bail legislation. We are reviewing that
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: bail legislation. So those so controlled, prohibited, and offensive are
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: the three categories. So the offensive weapons are the ones
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: that you're talking about a star picket, baseball bat, maybe
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: rocks or whatever else. That work needs to be done
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: in a bit more careful way rather than jumping, you know,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: as quickly. It was much more straightforward to look at
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: controlled and prohibited. So you can't get a criticize us
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: for not listening, and then when we do listen, we
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: get criticized from the people.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: So we need the fact that he listened, but they're
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: just wondering why, you know, if someone drives a car
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: at some point, why that's not.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: So that work is underway, so we have to Actually,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: when you're in government, you actually do have to do
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: some things very carefully because you know they will end
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: up in court cases and you know, whether it's your
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: second reading speech in Parliament, those things get drilled and
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: looked at by defense lawyers in absolute details. So we
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: need to be so careful around offensive weapons. And we're
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: doing that work now, so it may it may happen.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: What is the mail presumption when it is an offensive
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: weapon being used?
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: So an offensive weapon that so that was neutral. So
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: in the past it's been a neutral presumption. But we've
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: said very clearly we want to stamp out knife crime.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a terrible day if I ever hear
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: that there are knives in schools, and we're hearing those stories.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: So those messages need to be very very strong and
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: loud and clear. You know, if you have a knife,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: you need to stop it because we can all experience
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: that somebody's got a knife. Yeah, so other people take
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: knives to shopping centers and things like that.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: But the thing is well, we're in a situation though,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: where the concern is. You know, even we had spoken
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: to Declan's dad who had even told us that he'd
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: been threatened with a screwdriver. You know, so I guess
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that that this is where the community is sort of saying,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: all right, well, how do we look a little bit
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: further and I take on what you are absolutely look
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: so you're not it's not ruled out at this morning time.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Announce review. But some of that has to be looked
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: at more carefully because you know, it is those unforeseen
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: consequences around that. I mean, we have the highest rate
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: of domestic violence in Australia, so a lot of that
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: involves weapons and we know that you know it might
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: involve well household instruments or rocks and things like that.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: So we have to go through that very very carefully
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: because you don't want somebody who's a victim of domestic
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: violence who grabs a weapon as well. It is not straightforward,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: so we have to work through that one.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: We've seen Katie though already last November in Catherine there
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: was a stolen car that you know, rammed into police cars.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: You know that this is this is not captured. We
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: heard the Paul McHugh yesterday on the radio, I think
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: he was talking with you saying how the policeman was
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: stabbed in the neck with a screwdriver. You know what,
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: we what one of our amendments was to include offensive
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: improvised weapons, but they are all improvised weapons.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Let's face it, if somebody is doing something that bad,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: of course that the police are going to charge them,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: and of course that person's not going to get around.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: That would be like that would be the common sense approach,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and that would be what everybody would think. But everybody
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: also would have thought that if you were charged with
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: using a knife and a violent offense with a knife,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: that you also wouldn't be.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Out on bail.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, circumstance has shown us that that's not always
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the case.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: So that's what I think.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: But he was on bail, not for an offense anyway,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: it was an edged weapon. So and look specific cases
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: on here, which.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Is fair enough.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: But the point that I'm making, you know, whether we
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: talk about a different case or whatever, is that the
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: community expectation is that that person wouldn't be.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Out on bail.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: And that's where I think we're sort of we seem
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: to have been missing. The mark is that the community's
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: expectation is quite often it seems like it's not in
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: line with what's actually happening.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: And I think there's been a bit of frustration that
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: this is all had to happen kind of now and
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: why he's taken a loss of life exactly why it's
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: gotten to this point. I think, you know, to be
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: fair that the CLP's attempts to bring in no bail
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: for all violent offenses. I mean that that was certainly
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: a stretch too far.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I believe it.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: It has never got to get up exactly. So, Yeah,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: it'll be interesting to see each other review coming.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: There is no doubt about that. And it is a real.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Joe's an end date for what that review is going
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: to come, because I mean, we've got an election next year,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: so is it going to take months? Is it going
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: to take up to that and then it's.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Going to be happening as a matter of priority.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: But there's no date on that or no timeline. Why
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: would we tell you the date the opposition.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: The menu there public.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Are we expecting it to be weeks or are we
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: expecting it to be months?
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: We'll wait for that work to be done and it
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: will be announced at that time.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Now, one of the other issues that's been raised in
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the over the last twenty four hours or so as
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: a result of the changes is whether we are going
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to see an influx of people held on remand in prisons.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: We know that right now the prisons are really bursting
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: at the scene. So we've got a situation where we
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: have got growing numbers in watch houses. So there's forty
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: people in the Darwin watch house that was as of
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: yesterday was the number that we were provided by the union,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: twenty two in our springs and ten out at the
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Peter mcaulay Center in Berrima. So that is I guess
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the next step here is as we potentially see more
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: people held on remand, we are going to have a
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: situation where the prisons are even more full than what
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: they already are.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: So how do we deal with that?
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: So Katie, there's you know what is what is the
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: government's plan And we've asked for the low risk prisoners
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: to go into work camps, you know, where they can
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: potentially learn things and go out and do community service.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: That doesn't seem to be happening.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: There was actually.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: There was a there was an announcement at the last
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: election that that was one of their commitments.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: It's so it is happening in the Barkland. It is
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: happening at Norman Boy. There is work camps.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: What about in Dawin, what about in every other place
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: across the territory even well that's what it's not happening.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: It is so there are work camps and there are
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: alternatives custy. So those things are happening, but the numbers
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: are high. As I said, that is a reality in
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the territory that we have had a growth in crime,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: and we've been working hard to look at alternatives to
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: custody as well around that. And I think it was
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: probably eighteen months ago that Selena released the Aboriginal Justice Agreement.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: But again, you know you need to it's the old
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: adage around a river, save people before they and teach
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: them to swim, or you rescue them as they're going
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: over them. You exactly doing work. But we need to
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: do more and continue to do more at those ones
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: around stopping the crime so that we don't see good
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: or anybody in that judicial system.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I agree, and look, I do firmly believe that we've
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: got to stop people before they get on that path.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: But what I think a lot of people were very
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: worried about for quite some time is that it seemed
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: as though there's absolute lawlessness and people getting away with
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: being able to do as they please and not being
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: punished for it or not actually you know, having es.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: It has just happened.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: You know, this has been excuse me, at boiling point,
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: or you know, this has been happening for years and
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: it's got to boiling point. That's taken the government to
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: actually act and make some kind of change. And as
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: I said, we absolutely agree with this change, but we
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: just think it should have gone just a step further
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: just and if the review is happening.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: It seems that there's a bit of an issue in
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: terms of the flow through the court system. That's that's
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: the really slow end of it, and a lot of
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: people left on remand while their cases are going through
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: the legal system. I mean, I'm not in court as
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: much as I used to be reporting, but you hear
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: so often people on remand for twelve months while they're
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: waiting for their cases to be sought, and potentially what
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: they allegedly did won't even have a length of sentence
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: that long.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, do you know what I mean?
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: So, how do you prevent that? Or what work's been done.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Is remand they can't do programs.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there will be some work around. That's some announcements.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to presum presume some of the work
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: that's coming through with the budget work, but there is.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: But you know, we are building a new youth justice facility.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: That's you know, along with the upgrades that we're seeing
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: out in Alice Springs, and that's I don't know if
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: the top I'm trying to remember, but it's about an
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: eighty ninety million dollar build. You know, it is expensive
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: to build facilities. The Holtz Prison I think was three
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: hundred million dollars, So absolutely the government has plans, you know,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: long term plans around it. It might have been more.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: It was close to a billion. It was a license though,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's a least.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Process is the new youth diversions to the end of this.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Year, so hopefully by November we'll see the big one
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: in Darwin that'll be opened. Also the upgrades in Alice Springs.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: We might take a very quick break or sorry, Joe.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Also Katie there was talk about the Salvation Army Building
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: in Alice Springs being refurbished for the justice system, and.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: You know, we didn't seem to get any answer about that.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: These were yes, well you know the community, that was
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the answer that they will.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: That'll be interesting because that was not what the residents
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: in that area had been hearing.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: So what were they hearing that it was going to be.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Usedation Army hostel is being refurbished for use by the
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: justice system. So okay, we'll wait and see if that
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: actually happens, because yeah, Chancey, he did refuse to rule
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: it out.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: That was actually the answer.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: No, I think he said he wasn't moving inmates into there,
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: or well it wasn't going to be the case in
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: questions either.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Is that your understanding, I'm not really it's my portfolio, Chancy.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: All right, we are going to take a very short break.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Coming up next, we are going to speak about some
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: of the announcements when it comes to alcohol.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Actually, just very quickly before I get there.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Either with the capsicum spray, I know that you had
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: said throughout the week, because there has been a lot
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: of questions about that the capsicum spray, So that works
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: underway at the moment as well.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I've introduced legislation on Thursday, not introduced you. I did
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: introduce that legislation Thursday. It'll be debated in the next sitting,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: so that'll be in the main sittings. That will provide
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: very clear directions around it, because you know, I did
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: hear concerns from the community around yeah, you know, yeah,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: are these people going to be trained? Are they are
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: they going to be you know, some checks and balances
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: in place. Yes, That legislation spells that out very very
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: clearly that there will be training. That training is going
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: to happen very soon. But there will be the opportunity
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: well they all wet body worn cameras. They also will
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: have the opportunity for complaints through onds and things like that.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: So it will be very very carefully managed. It will
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: be useless. The last resort.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a very short break.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: sixty D is the week that was. If you've just
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: joined us this morning. We are in the studio with
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Joe Hersey, the member for Catherine. We've got nine News,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, and we've got Evil Lawla who's the
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Minister for Education and the Treasurer and various other portfolios. Now,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: there was the announcement made yesterday morning the Northern Territory
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Chief Minister saying that the government's going to open expressions
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: of interest for the voluntary buyback of grocery store based
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: liquor licenses in the Northern Territory. So the move is
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the latest in a series of measures introduced by the
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: government which are really aimed at reducing alcohol related violence.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: And I know that there has been quite a bit
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: of discussion, I guess over the last twenty four hours
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: about whether it will make a huge difference or whether
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: people are still going to go and access their alcohol
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: from somewhere else. And I guess that that's always the concern.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: But nonetheless, it is a move that the government is
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: making and it has sort of received polarizing reactions. I've
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: been told by some that there are a couple of
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: convenience stores that will be quite happy to go through
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: this process, Others quite staunchly not keen for it to
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: happen and not overly happy about the twenty five percent
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: you know situation that they're in as well.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you go then So Katie, I think with this
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: buyback of alcohol, it's what you're doing is going after
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: I think about the mum and dad businesses out there.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a there's a in Madaranka.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: There's a business there that's had three generations and this
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: could mean the end for them. So the end for
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: that business in Madaranka that's had that No, no, it
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: won't be viable. This is not about polit grog. Yeah,
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: but if you've had a business either for three generations.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: You know they're the.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well what it'll do by removing it is make
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: that business unviable and for three generations, you know, that's
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: where's their livelihood then and their commitment to Madaranka over
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: all that time. So it's about you know, it's not
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: about less grog, it's about less jobs. And all that's
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: going to do is move those people to another area,
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: to the to the bigger chains. You know, that's not
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: actually helping the small business the matter.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Rank one isn't a good example. Of course, no one's
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: going to This is voluntary. So what it is is
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: this is a relic of the past where you had
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: grocery stores being able to sell alcohol. So we're trying
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: to reduce that as again it's voluntary, but that isn't
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: their license. So their license, they don't have a takeaway license.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Their license is as a grocery store and to sell
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: alcohol as an adjunct to that. And when we're starting
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: to see places sell more and more alcohol, well then
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: they maybe need to look at their liquor license and
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: what they have it for, because if it's a takeaway license, absolutely,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: again there's different rules around that. But I can give
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: examples in my electorate where we have grocery stores corner
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: stores selling alcohol. And yes, you said, is it going
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: to make a huge difference. The huge difference would be
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: if you didn't have those liquor licenses in those places.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: It's the people that come there that are attracted to that.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: So in my suburb, driver for example, does not have
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: a lique license. The corner store there is very different too.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: And I won't say the other suburbs, but the other
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: suburbs where there are liquor license people congregate nine point
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: thirty on a Saturday morning. You can start to buy
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: grog in some of those corner stoes.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: So you reckon, it'll just it'll more so make a
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: difference that you won't have people sort of congregating around
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: those areas that are that are a suburbs residential.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Suburbsidential suburbs exactly, Katie. And the impact on that because
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: then we see and that both mayors have come out,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: you see broken glass. I have people telling me about
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: broken glass and playgrounds, which is an issue for counsel
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: and I'm getting onto the council to clean it up.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: So it's all those knock on effects. Then broken glass,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: on pay on paving, alcohol is the scourge in the
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Northern Territory. We need know that this is just but
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: one measure we're putting in place. Even if it reduces
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: it by three or four licenses, that's a good thing.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: There are no big document has obviously been that no
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: matter what, people are still going to be able to
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: go to their majors and get alcohol. And so it's
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: not going to stop people from drinking. And then the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: other argument, I guess has been from the.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: License then and they then they have a license, and
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: then they have the you know, they have to pay
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: the increases in their license around that risk based licensings
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: in place, they have security at those shopping centers. There
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: are other measures in place around that.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: The other argument though, from some is this, if the
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: band drinker register, if the floor price, if the other
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: measures that are already in place are working, then why
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: do you need to buy back those licenses from those
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: you know, from those convenience storks.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Well, the analogy that I've talked in here, it's like
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: squeezing a balloon. You're dealing with alcoholics in this these examples,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: we're not talking about the average person who just wants
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: to buy a bottle of wine on the way home
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: from work. We're talking about people who are chronic alcoholics,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: who are buying large, large amounts of alcohol and some
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: of them giving them or selling them to their friends,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: all of those issues where we then see them drinking
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: alcohol around those communities, in those suburbs where they should
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: not sit.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: So is the band drinker read just a working because
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: you know, if you sort of take all of that
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: into place, you'd have to argue that it's not.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Well, it is around secondary supply. And I can, as
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I said, give examples in my suburb where there are
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: people that are aiding and a betting the sale of alcohol.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: So you know, people who are going to the shop
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: and buying alcohol selling them on and we know that,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: and you know we report those things to police. But yeah,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: there are people who are unscrupulous. And I hope again
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: that if there are people that are listening here, you
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: are part of the problem.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: You talk about the Zicoli I G A. And Eva's
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: talking about security. They have security measures there and you know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: as the main tenant in that shopping center, like we've
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: heard Shelley talk and say that, you know, it might
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: mean the end for that I G. A. And I'm
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: sure that they will, you know, come hell oh wa
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: to do what they can to remain in that shopping
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: center and remain with their liquor outlets.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Try and catch up with after ten you can.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Be going for the bottle of wine to have with
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: something for dinner that they're getting.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: But you're confusing two things. We're talking about the voluntary buyback,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: you're talking I think about the twenty five percent. So
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: there's two different things here. Shelley and Zicoli do not
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: need to sell these if they do not want to.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Of course they don't if that's their business model. But
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: also the license they have is around a certainty.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: It's a government though, making it so difficult for it
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: to be viable then for the likes of an IgA
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: with that twenty five percent, and and you know, with
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: some of the measures that are in place.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: That's the thing.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: I think it's the concern of whether the goalposts might
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: change sort of thing. It's voluntary at the moment. And
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: we saw the twenty five cap over the year changed
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: earlier this year to quarterly, which you know, I don't
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: remember being told now that was happening.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Really it was happening exactly.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: So it's sort of like that got changed, and so
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: they've it's harder to manage those peaks and troughs over
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: that quarter, like we've seen Shelley's had to close because
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: they came close to that twenty five cap because the
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: BWS were closed in lights of Declan's tragedy. So is
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: it going to remain voluntary or will it potentially change?
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Because I mean, I was listening to Golflan earlier on
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: another radio station, the new liquor Commissioner Boss, and he
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: reminded us that the Riley review five years ago had
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: a fifteen percent cap recommendation and to phase those licenses
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: out over seven years. So five years on from that
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: that Riley review. Is the voluntary stance potentially going to change.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: If these businesses can't stay within that twenty five percent,
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: that's the fear.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: That's well, if they're breaching it. We have had examples
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: of people have been breaching the twenty five percent, and
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: as I said, Riley said, fifteen percent. Our government moved
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: it to twenty five percent, so made it even fairer
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: we thought.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: But it's the changing of the goalpost that's the problem.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Twenty But again, these are corner stores, their grocery stores.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: That is not their license. If they want to be
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: a takeaway liquor outlet, they need to look at that.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: We have so many there's something like fifty grocery store
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: licenses in the territory. There's been a moratorium on that.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: We need to see less. We're trying to minimize the
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: harm of alcohol. All of these crimes, there's a huge
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: amount of alcoholics behind them.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: I don't think anyone can argue against the merits of
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: less alcohol than the community. Certainly, but we have touched
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: on that someone wants grog, they're going to get grog
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: so to go to players.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is the worry.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: But I want to move along because I do want
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: to talk about the fact that there has actually been
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: According to a report that Sky News have obchanged, there's
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: been a dramatic fall in alcohol and domestic violence related
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: hospital admissions at the Alice Springs Hospital since liqua bands
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: were reinstated last month. So the Northern Territory Department of
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Health data which was obtained by Sky News shows that
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: alcohol related emergency department presentations fell almost fourteen percent below
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the hospital's baseline figure in February. This month, they're down
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: twelve point four percent for data collected until March seventeen.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Domestic violence related hospital presentations fell twenty one point four
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: percent below the baseline figure in February. Now we know
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: that week by week data as well shows an instant
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: fall in alcohol and domestic violence related presentations in Alice
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Springs Hospital. That correlates with the reintroduction of alcohol bands
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: in the town's aboriginal camps. So I guess the big
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: question is are we going to see an extension of
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: these of these alcohol bands given the massive impact that
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: they seem to be having, which.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's fantastic that we are seeing a drop.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: That's certainly what the community needed.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean and if you look, I do want
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: to say that if you listen to people in Alice Springs,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: and I did watch on the ABC News last night
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: that there is concern that it's not the Yeah, it's
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: just moving the problem.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: And we heard from the mayor of man iSER Y
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: they had a huge problem there since.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Five hundred people i think went across the border at
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: one point when we'd spoken to the mayor Daniel and
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: she told us the problems.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: But it is telling us that this is the problem
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: across the North of Australia. And as I said, alcohol
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: is the scourge about our communities.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: It's a terrible They were Territorians going across.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: To and then they can and they move backwards and
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: forwards people as well. So but again it is good
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: news around what we're seeing in Alice Springs. And as
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I said, for the nurses and doctors in the hospital, yes,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: we can all feel for them.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Do you think what needs to be extended?
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Do we need to you know, look, do we realistically
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: need to extend the bands that are that are in
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Polish right now?
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm not a drinker, so I had a
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: had family members who are big drinkers, and I was
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: always the sober bob and the driver and all the rest.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: So you're talking to the wrong person around here, because
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I absolutely think that we need to keep continue to
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: minimize the harm around alcohol. But again, we need to
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: educate people around that why are people drinking? We need
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: to continue to work with the root cause, I mean,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: that's work in schools, it's work when their little kids
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: around that. There's a lot of ways around teaching people
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: that they don't need alcohol. But yeah, it is a dreadful,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: dreadful situation.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: We need to see those restrictions extended to at least
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: get a little bit longer, more data perspective of the
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: impact because we honestly do see when you bring in
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: those restrictions there is a drop and then potentially it
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: pops back up again.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: You do get those spikes, as I said, it is,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: and that sometimes is one individual or a group that
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: as you said by Grog, the secondary supply it is.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: It's a terrible situation.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: But Joe, were you seeing an influx of people in
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: the likes of Catherine as well, because that had been
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: a concern that we were going to sort of see
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: as those alcohol bands are in place, that we're going
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: to see people move to other locations. I mean, you'd
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: touched on Mount iSER, but how has it been in Catherine.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so there has been more people in the community, Katie.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: We can't exactly say where they're from.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: I mean when I'm there, I often talk to people
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: and find out where they are from. Just when I
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: was home on the weekend, you know, I asked, you know,
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: the people walk around the streets, you know, just out
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: of curiosity, where are you from? And that you know
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: some from cal Karinji so, but you know locals as well.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: But there has been more people in town. But like
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: we continually say, prohibition doesn't work and this does not
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: actually remove the crime and anti social behavior happening in
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: Alice Springs. We've seen cars burning, We've seen Matt that
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: got a rock hurled at him and lost an eye.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: You know that there's it's not so much so much.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: Going on in our springs in regard to youth crime,
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: break ins, assaults, property offenses.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: They continue to go on.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: And we need to see that money in at two
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty million dollars rolled out, which isn't happening
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: until I understand July first.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: You've got the territories.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: How is that going to happen through the budget process?
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: It yeah, the federal budget. Well, yeah, the federal the Fed.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Actually the federal budget is on the ninth of May,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: same day as our budget, so we'll be watching very
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: closely around money. They'll be coming to the territory for
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: the Feds.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Well, take a very short break. You are listening to
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Mix one oh four nine. It is the week that was.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: If you've just joined us, well you've missed an action
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: packed hour. But in the studio with us is evil Lula,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola and Joe Hersey. Now just quickly, we know
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: that nationally throughout the week there was a pretty big
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: decision made that could have quite significant ramifications for the
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Northern Territory. The federal government secured the support it needed
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: to implement its Central Climate Change commitment after reaching a
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: deal with the Greens following months of Safeguard Mechanism negotiations. Now,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: the Safeguard Mechanism is going to impose emissions limits on
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen of the largest polluting facilities across
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: the country, and the Greens support for the policy requires
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the government to impose well that hard cap on emissions.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: We spoke to the Northern Territory Environment Center and they
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: had said that the announcement, well of the deal of
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: the safeguard mechanism sounds the death knell for new gas
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: projects in the Northern Territory, including the Beterloo and Barossa projects.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: We also, though, heard from APS Chief executive Samantha McCulloch
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: who said that the deal announced through the week would
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: ultimately make Australia's climate change targets harder and more costly
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: to meet, but they are already committed to net zero
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: by twenty fifty. I guess for the Northern Territory. You know,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: we've spoken about fracking, honestly to we're blue in the face.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: We've had so many discussions about it. It was a
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: huge issue before the last Northern Territory election. We know
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: what's happening. We know it's going ahead. If it doesn't, though,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I suppose, what does that mean to the to the
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: to the twenty you know, to our forty million dollar
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: economy by twenty thirty.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, so we would say yes it was going to
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: go ahead. And one thing that we need to be
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: reminded of, you know, Santos, Origin impacts. They all actually
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: have targets already. So you know, the Northern Territory Government
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: has net zero by twenty fifty, but off the top
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: of my head, I think Santos and Origin have net
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: zero by twenty forty. So all of these companies, they
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: have shareholders who are pushing them around, you know, being
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: green as well and doing the right thing rightund the environment.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and you know the Northern Territory government, we
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: have updated our Environment Protection Act. We've also put in
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: the Largermitters policy, you know, the greenhouse gas emissions plans
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: they have to have. So anybody that's going to have
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: an industry in the Northern Territory on to oil and
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: gas industry, they have to actually have plans to off.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Safe juggle though, right because I mean, at the end
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: of the day, we still need gas to be able
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: to transition to our green power and to solar and
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: to get to where we need to go. But you
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: actually need gas for that transition period. And isn't that
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: better than having coal five power stations you know on
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the East coast and.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: The cost of electricity like it's skyrocketing. So we have
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: a community service obligation. So Northern Territory government pays considerable
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: amounts to keep the price of the power down in
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: the Northern Territory. So when everybody's else was going up
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: eighteen twelve percent, we kept ours at two point seven percent.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: We capped it so it was under inflation. So again,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: you know, yes, the East Coast needs gas, that's the
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: bottom line.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: And you know interesting you say about the solar farms, Katie.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: We've got four solar farms in the territory and none
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: of them are hooked up. And then we had a reduction.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: It is named yes, but that well, I mean it's seriously,
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: it's been there for three years, sitting idle as many
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: of the others, and you know it's it's an indictment
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: on the government that you know it. This is for
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: solar power and it's been sitting idle for three years.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know there's been a reduction in the
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: solar tariff.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: We also heard the Chris Bowen this week come out
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: and say that he wasn't actually going to be coming
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: to the party for the Northern Territory government with the
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: in the Beloo there.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: So it'll be very.
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: Interesting to see what the Chief Minister does in that
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: area because obviously she's in a green elect and you know,
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: her actions don't actually.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Match her words. There's probably about fifty things just said
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: that we could talk about. But the issue around the solo,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: of course, we need to keep our grid stable and
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: that's one of the issues that everywhere around the world's
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: facing with increases of solar.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Are those other solar farms close to being they turned at.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: The commissioning phase, but we have to actually manage the grid.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: You can't have those huge spikes and drops, and so
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: there needs to be that firming and that's the work
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: that's happening around that. But that's a reality around the
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: world around.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: It, and it does kind of show you though as well,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: there is going to need to be some work I'm
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: assuming to the greed and to make sure that we
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: are able to sustain as more and more people are
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: going to their solar power.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, and maybe planning and doing those there's a Darn
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Catherine Electricity System Plan. Have a look online people that
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: provides that detail. I've actually got a board meeting right
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: next that's my next meeting with the CEOs of Powerwater,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Jacana and Teach and.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Today well, look, we are going to have to wrap
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: it up. Ladies, thank you so very much fora time.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: Just before we so, Katie, can I just ask the
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: Education Minister a quick question even I got a message
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: this week that said that was I aware all schools
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: outside of Darwin have not had internet all week. All
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: materials are on servers, Lessons are done with largely digital materials,
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: roles and marked digitally. Teachers are having the hot spot
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: off their phones. I can tell you, Katie, if this
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: was dar in the middle of Darwin Middle and Darwin High,
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: that would have absolutely been addressed straight.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: It's been a week. That's just that. First of all,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: it was around an internet outage, which isn't was an
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: empty government. It was one of the providers and so
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: there was a part that had failed and that part
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: was getting flown in and my understanding was by five
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: o'clock last night it would be fixed.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: It was some of Catherine Schools and the school surrounding Katherine,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: and they had had the internet down for a number
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: of days. But as I said, that wasn't a Northern
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Territory Mini Sue. It was the provider and as I said,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: that was being repaired as quickly as possible. But that's
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: one of the realities around technology that things fail at
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: times and you have to get spare parts from interstate.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: So we have run out of time. We're going to
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: have to head across to the National News. Joe Hersey,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: the Member for Catherine, thank you for joining us the
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: same Monday.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: Katie, and thanks listeners and I'll see you back in
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: Katherine on Sunday at the Pop Rocket Cafe.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Oh good stuff.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: And nine News Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, thank you everyone, and
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Eva Lula the Treasurer, a Minister for Education, Transport, Infrastructure.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I can't remember all the others, but there's a big list.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: As long as you're armed.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie, thank you. Are you m seeing the
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Sports war Ye see you on Saturday night.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: It'll be fantastic fifty years fifty years.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: I just want to give a shout out to Donna
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: Capes and Nicki Sinclair who are at the Sports Awards.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Nicki and the.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: Masters and as the as a as a volunteer, and
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: I'll be there cheering them.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: As fantastic nice a special category of Pioneer Award.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so wonderful stuff. Well, thank you all so much
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: for your time.