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Credlin | 22 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Credline. Continuing noise today after that White House
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Speaker 2: slap down to Kevin Riders, split's show up to in
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Speaker 2: the coalition on the issue. I'll give you my take
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Speaker 2: in a moment whether rad should stay or go. An
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Speaker 2: aboriginal treaty is toxic in Victoria, so says a new
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Speaker 2: poll out today. But Labor's still pushing on because once
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Speaker 2: a treaty is in place in Victoria, it will be
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Speaker 2: rolled out in every other state. Plus outrage after a
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Speaker 2: granddaughter of a high profile olympian failed to qualify for
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Speaker 2: a sports competition after running third to a trans student.
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Speaker 2: This has been a big investigation. I'll get you the
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Speaker 2: update in a moment in time for the Coalition to
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Speaker 2: get off the fences. Net zero shapes up to be
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Speaker 2: a big showdown for them in Canberra next week.
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Speaker 3: At some stage we do need to nail our colors
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Speaker 3: to the mast and get on with the job.
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Speaker 4: There's at least three policy meetings coming up.
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Speaker 2: The first climate crusader, Chris Bowen, thinks his Green transitions
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Speaker 2: going fine, but out in real world, everyone knows the
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Speaker 2: Governm's energy policy is a slow motion train wreck and
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Speaker 2: it was always going to be like this. Once Officialdom
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Speaker 2: decided to run the power greed to reduce emissions rather
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Speaker 2: than deliver affordable and reliable electricity, we were on hiding
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Speaker 2: to nothing, a return to the dark ages, quite literally.
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Speaker 2: And the fact that you're all starting to wake up
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Speaker 2: to it, to the rought that is renewables explains why
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Speaker 2: Climbate two hundred spent eleven million dollars at the last
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Speaker 2: election trying to boost the vote of the Teals. In
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Speaker 2: the fourteen years since energy policy has been all about climate,
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Speaker 2: East Coast wholesale power prices have risen dramatically, in many
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Speaker 2: cases more than double day. The New South Wales's electricity
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Speaker 2: price is more than double that in Texas, for instance,
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Speaker 2: where they have no comparable crazy climate fixation. Here's how
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Speaker 2: the Australian Financial Review, and hardly a climate skeptic that
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Speaker 2: paper describe the energy transition this morning, based on the
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Speaker 2: contributions to its recent energy and climate summit. Speaker after speaker,
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Speaker 2: the paper reporter tried hard to be positive about the
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Speaker 2: energy transition, but make no mistake that optimism is only
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Speaker 2: surface deep. The paper said, the progress that has been
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Speaker 2: made on the energy transition isn't enough. The replacement of
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Speaker 2: an aging fleet of coal five power plants with a
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Speaker 2: combination of large scale renewable energy firmed by gas and
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Speaker 2: batteries isn't happening fast enough, said the Financial Review. The
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Speaker 2: rollout of transmission infrastructure isn't where it needs to be. Also,
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Speaker 2: and most of all, it said you supply isn't coming
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Speaker 2: into the market nearly quickly enough to meet the rising
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Speaker 2: demand created by the electrification of the economy, population growth,
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Speaker 2: and more recently data centers. Now, in other words, it's
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Speaker 2: a mess. In the calendar year twenty twenty four, some
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Speaker 2: fifty six percent of New South Wales and Victoria's power
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Speaker 2: came from cold. I mean in the idea that this
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Speaker 2: will reduce to just ten percent in five years time,
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Speaker 2: this is the twenty thirty target. Well, that's a nonsense.
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Speaker 2: And the idea that prices will come down as part
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Speaker 2: of this green transition is even more absurd, given that
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Speaker 2: speaker after speaker demanded and I quote, policies to encourage
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Speaker 2: long term investment to ensure a smooth transition. To renewables generation.
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Speaker 2: Now what that means, in other words, is more and
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Speaker 2: more tax payout, subsidies, more money out of your pocket
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Speaker 2: dressed up as government payments or new carbon tax. Only
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Speaker 2: this time it will be called an emission's safeguard mechanism.
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Speaker 2: Now devious what a rational energy system would entail for Australia.
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Speaker 2: So no more Qualifi power stations under this plan should
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Speaker 2: close without a reliable alternative. We need more gas out
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Speaker 2: of the ground fast, and no more subsidies for renewables
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Speaker 2: because they're really as good as they say, they really
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Speaker 2: are cheap or they don't need the money. And once
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Speaker 2: and for all, we have to end the nuclear band
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Speaker 2: and allow the market to be tested. Now, if we're
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Speaker 2: fared income in this country, that is what we will do.
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Speaker 2: It's what the Europeans are doing after two decades of
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Speaker 2: going down the wind and solar path. China, Russia, India
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Speaker 2: and the US, all the bigger miters, Well they're not
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Speaker 2: doing any of that. They're charging ahead with fossil fuels
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Speaker 2: when that's the reality. And yet here in Australia we've
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Speaker 2: got a government hell bent on destroying our economic and
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Speaker 2: manufacturing future, and we've got a coalition that doesn't know
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Speaker 2: what it believes in anymore. It seems hell bent on
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Speaker 2: destroying itself. And look Mourigan today on that White House
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Speaker 2: visitors Anthony Albanezi and his entourage are heading home. They're
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Speaker 2: in the air right now, having watched the right era
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Speaker 2: from a ringside set in Canberra. I have to say
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Speaker 2: I'm no fan of heavy Kevy. I think that's an
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Speaker 2: understatement of all the recent inhabitants in the lodge. He's
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Speaker 2: right up there with Malcolm Turnbull is two of the
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Speaker 2: most unsuited men in history to have the great honor
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Speaker 2: of leading this country. But the character quirks that made
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Speaker 2: Rudd such a poor prime minister, weirdly enough.
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Speaker 5: All they are attributes.
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Speaker 2: In the United States, he is, as Tony Abbott once
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Speaker 2: described him, a pestitential nuisance, a pain of the proverbial,
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Speaker 2: but in the foot in the door sort of world
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Speaker 2: that is Washington, the dog eat dog world of the
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Speaker 2: United States. Kevin runs a perfect fit from all sides
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Speaker 2: of politics. Everyone I know in the US, well, they
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Speaker 2: think Rud's good.
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Speaker 5: I know him.
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Speaker 2: And while we might think Australia matters, the truth of
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Speaker 2: it is for most of the Congressional odds and sods
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Speaker 2: and most of Wall Street we don't were irrelevant. So
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Speaker 2: the fact that our ambassador's so well known that he
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Speaker 2: can get a meeting with almost anyone that matters, well,
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Speaker 2: that's a good thing. As much as the critics don't
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Speaker 2: want to give Run any credit. Now, do I think
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Speaker 2: most of them would enjoy catching up with him, Absolutely not.
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Speaker 2: But they do it in part because he's right across
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Speaker 2: the detail of issues like China, and few in the
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Speaker 2: diplomatic ranks are as good as that. And second, they
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Speaker 2: will know that if they don't give Run a meeting,
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Speaker 2: he'll just keep hammering and hammering and hammering them until
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Speaker 2: they get one, so they roll over. As I said,
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Speaker 2: that works in Washington. It wouldn't make him a good
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Speaker 2: appointment to a post in Europe or the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 2: But the USI reckons made for Rutt. What's more, as
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Speaker 2: I said last night, everyone knows that the Critical Minerals
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Speaker 2: deal was Rudd's work.
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Speaker 5: I mean, he wore them down.
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Speaker 6: And while the.
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Speaker 2: PM was off setting himself on a beach on holiday
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Speaker 2: last week, it was Rud dotting the eyes and crossing
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Speaker 2: the ts and trawling the halls of Congress to get
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Speaker 2: this over the line. And it's why Susan Lee's demand
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Speaker 2: that Rudd should go fell as flat as it did.
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Speaker 4: I don't believe he should stay in that role. And
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Speaker 4: to see the Prime Minister actually laughing at his own
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Speaker 4: ambassador in the room when the President made a joke,
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Speaker 4: I think it's untenable.
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Speaker 2: She's right, yes, the Prime Minister was laughing at Rud
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Speaker 2: and quickly threw.
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Speaker 5: Him under the bus.
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Speaker 2: But today when she fronted the cameras, Susan Lee declined
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Speaker 2: to repeat that demand.
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Speaker 5: With Kevin Rudd again. Was that a captain's court when
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Speaker 5: he said he needed.
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Speaker 4: To be sucked Well, Kevin Ruddy is the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 4: choice for ambassador.
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Speaker 5: It's a big job.
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Speaker 4: What was clear yesterday was that the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 4: a lot of catching up to do.
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Speaker 2: And interestingly, earlier in the morning on Sky News, former
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Speaker 2: front bencher Senator Jane Hume.
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Speaker 3: Said this, the call for Kevin Rudd to resign or
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Speaker 3: stand down, the call for his position to be untenable
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Speaker 3: now is.
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Speaker 5: Probably a little bit churlish. The work clearly has.
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Speaker 3: Been done on critical minerals and rare earths by Kevin
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Speaker 3: Rudd personally, and I think that he should be acknowledged
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Speaker 3: for that good work.
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Speaker 2: And not a happy campus and the Coalition are they
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Speaker 2: But Pume's right. But as I also said last night,
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Speaker 2: it's one thing to announce American and Australian subsidies for
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Speaker 2: critical mineral production and processing in Australia. It's quite another
8:42
Speaker 2: thing to make these projects operational given our system doesn't
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Speaker 2: do urge it anymore, with all the endless delay around
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Speaker 2: approval processes and the potential for green law fare. So
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Speaker 2: good on the government for Ruds deal yesterday, But announcements
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Speaker 2: they're the easy part. Labour doesn't now well, it's making
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Speaker 2: things happen that they're hopeless at and so this time,
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Speaker 2: given China stranglehold in this area, let's pray we see.
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Speaker 5: Some quick action.
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Speaker 2: All right, Let's head to Cameron now for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: Sky News political reporter Ruben Spargo.
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Speaker 1: The Opposition leader, is facing internal criticism after demanding Ambassador
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Speaker 1: Kevin Rudd be brought home from Washington. Senator Jane Hume
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Speaker 1: labeled to call churlish and believes mister Rudd should be
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Speaker 1: acknowledged for his good work.
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Speaker 4: I welcome all the comments from my talented backbench.
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Speaker 1: Susan Lee did not repeat her initial demand.
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Speaker 7: The opposition have egg all over their face. They wanted
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Speaker 7: a bad outcome from this meeting.
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Speaker 1: Kevin Rudd's term concludes in over a year. The Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister is striking a warmer tone toward Donald Trump, a
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Speaker 1: contrast to the government stance during the campaign.
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Speaker 2: Doogie Dutton always takes his instructions, his cues policies from
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Speaker 2: the US.
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Speaker 1: Anthony Alberzi joked on Tuesday that he will use the
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Speaker 1: US president in his election ads.
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Speaker 5: Isn't that all in.
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Speaker 8: The critical I think today's a day where the country
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Speaker 8: together can say, look, that was a good outcome for Australia.
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Speaker 1: The PM's plane made an unscheduled landing after a medical
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Speaker 1: incident on its flight home. Coalition backbenchers are rallying their
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Speaker 1: parties to settle the debate over climate policy. Liberals Simon
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Speaker 1: Kennedy and Jane Hume have convened a roundtable in Canberra
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Speaker 1: next Friday.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of my colleagues who's for This is
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Speaker 3: an existential issue whether they're going to be able to
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Speaker 3: maintain their seats at the next election.
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Speaker 1: The Nationals are working on their own policy review.
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Speaker 2: Right, Toddy Panow, send your reporter Carolen Marcus out of Sydney,
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Speaker 2: National Affairs editor at the Daily Telegraph to James Morrow. Well,
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Speaker 2: let's pick up on that fallout from the PM's meeting
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Speaker 2: of Donald Trump and the comments about Kevin Rudd. The
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Speaker 2: PM today pretty blunt when asked about Kevin Run's future
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Speaker 2: as an ambassador.
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Speaker 1: Promise the mister Rud by March next year will observed
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Speaker 1: three years in the job.
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Speaker 9: Will he continue in the job as ambassador past that point.
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Speaker 10: He's been an opponent for four years.
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Speaker 5: Well, there you go.
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Speaker 2: That'll take Run to twenty twenty seven, James. And what
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Speaker 2: then he takes over as the UN Secretary General.
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Speaker 6: Oh, well, you would think that the Prime Minister would
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Speaker 6: be hoping that he would have some sort of gig
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Speaker 6: like like Director Secretary General of the UN lined up,
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Speaker 6: because the last thing he'd won is Kevin Rudd coming
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Speaker 6: back here to Australia in time for the twenty twenty
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Speaker 6: eight campaign to start, you know, working on all the
11:41
Speaker 6: sorts of very helpful interventions into politics and policy that
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Speaker 6: were so you know popular. That song sent overseas in
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Speaker 6: the first place to America where I have to say,
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Speaker 6: it's pretty funny that you said that Americans would find
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Speaker 6: that Kevin Rudd kind of experience endearing. I almost as
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Speaker 6: an American, want to take you to the Human Rights
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Speaker 6: Commission for that.
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Speaker 2: I know it's pretty rough, but I mean I went
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Speaker 2: to school in the States, and if there is a
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Speaker 2: country that loves the foot in the door and the
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Speaker 2: hustle more than America, I've yet to find it, so
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Speaker 2: I think, and I said, you know, it wouldn't work everywhere,
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Speaker 2: but I think he certainly works in Washington, and you know,
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Speaker 2: everybody knows his name. That's not always good if they
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Speaker 2: know your name, but they certainly know his name. Caroline,
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Speaker 2: the Susan Lee called from yesterday wasn't repeated today. Interestingly,
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Speaker 2: you know that dismissive call she had about views from
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Speaker 2: my backbench, I think she jumped the gun. And I
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Speaker 2: listened to a lot of her colleagues out there today,
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Speaker 2: and Jane Hume was very blunt. Others didn't back her
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Speaker 2: in that criticized her as much, but they certainly didn't
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Speaker 2: back her in. I think they've got to get back
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Speaker 2: to cool business and worry about what's going on in
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Speaker 2: their own party room, and I guess less about Rudd.
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Speaker 11: I think they have more problems within the Liberal Party
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Speaker 11: than worrying about what the ambassador's doing. Look stand where
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Speaker 11: Susan Lee was coming from in a respect, because hating
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Speaker 11: on Kevin Rudd has become a bit of a national sport.
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Speaker 11: It sort of unites all sides of the political spectrum.
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Speaker 12: People just us ridicule.
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Speaker 5: Of him, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 11: We can't deny that there was a good result and
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Speaker 11: overall it was a good meeting, which is what we
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Speaker 11: should want as Australians. We should want our Prime Minister
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Speaker 11: to have a good meeting with the leader of the
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Speaker 11: free world on most important ally and that happened. And
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Speaker 11: you know, Jane Hume has spoken out about giving credit
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Speaker 11: where it's due that Rudd helped to secure this meeting
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Speaker 11: and also to secure the important Rare Earth critical mineral.
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Speaker 11: Still and Tony Abbott died too, to his great credit.
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Speaker 11: He's no personal fan of Kevin Rudd, but he stepped
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Speaker 11: up and gave credit for that. However, I don't think
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Speaker 11: we can brush a side either that it did take
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Speaker 11: more than two hundred and seventy days to get to
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Speaker 11: this point into the president of the US's second term
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Speaker 11: for US to even be able to secure a meeting,
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Speaker 11: so you know what, many other countries have and have
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Speaker 11: had multiple meetings with the President, So you know, yes,
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Speaker 11: Rudd it might well be the hardest working ambassador in Washington, DC,
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Speaker 11: as Albanize he put it, But that's because he has
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Speaker 11: to be, because he's made such horrible comments about Trump
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Speaker 11: that the administration would have no doubt been aware of.
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Speaker 11: So he has to work ten times as hard as
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Speaker 11: anyone else to even get a foot in the door.
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Speaker 11: But he did, and I guess some credit has to
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Speaker 11: go to him for that.
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Speaker 2: Look, I will blame Kevin Rud for the fact that
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Speaker 2: the meeting took so long, but I give him credit
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Speaker 2: because I don't think there would have been a rare
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Speaker 2: earths deal done without Rut. I mean, it's seventeen elements
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Speaker 2: there that are rare earth. I don't think our Prime
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Speaker 2: minister could pronounce even one of the seventeen. Rud probably
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Speaker 2: could know them insight out. So I would put this
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Speaker 2: down to Rud absolutely. And that's the mail I'm getting
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Speaker 2: out of the States.
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Speaker 5: So we'll leave it there.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to those comments just a moment ago on
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Speaker 2: Chris Kenny's pro from Pauline Hanson asked whether or not
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce would defect to One Nation how to listen.
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Speaker 13: It's not going to happen, Chris. He's not going to
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Speaker 13: be leave the party, so that's that's totally out of
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Speaker 13: the question. The fact is he's not even a member
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Speaker 13: of the party. He has to make that choice himself
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Speaker 13: to finally make the decision is he going to come
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Speaker 13: across one Nation? He did want to see if he
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Speaker 13: got his bill up in the Parliament, which you know
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Speaker 13: it hasn't been debated yet and it's quite interesting to
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Speaker 13: see where this is going to go.
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Speaker 2: So he might want to go, James, but he's not
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Speaker 2: going to go unless he's got some sort of path
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Speaker 2: to the leadership, and Pauline Hanson makes it clear that's
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Speaker 2: not going to happen.
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Speaker 5: So I don't know, it's looking less likely.
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Speaker 6: Perhaps, Well, it's a really sort of bizarre position that
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Speaker 6: we're in now with Barnaby Joyce here, because he said, well,
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Speaker 6: he's going to pull the pin on New England and
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Speaker 6: he's going to leave the party, but he's going to
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Speaker 6: stay in the seat and he's still in the party
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Speaker 6: and he's going to stay in the party room. And
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Speaker 6: it's like he's sort of one foot in and one
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Speaker 6: foot out at the moment, because you know, how was
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Speaker 6: he going to sit in the party room if he's
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Speaker 6: already made these sorts of decorations about leaving and who's
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Speaker 6: going to trust him? And you know, it feels sort
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Speaker 6: of like, you know, it feels like, you know, there's
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Speaker 6: sort of couples that get divorced, but they stay in
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Speaker 6: the same house. It kind of sort of hasn't been
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Speaker 6: of that sort of feel to it. It just feels very
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Speaker 6: sort of unpleasant and not you know, like anything anybody
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Speaker 6: would really want to be a part of. The thing
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Speaker 6: is this has been kicking along for a long time.
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Speaker 6: I've seen reports stay in some papers that this has
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Speaker 6: been talking about for months. I saw wonderport today which
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Speaker 6: suggested that he had been in conversations for at least
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Speaker 6: a year about whether or not to believe. And in
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Speaker 6: some senses, you can't blame him because he was treated
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Speaker 6: very poorly. He was, you know, told he couldn't campaign
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Speaker 6: outside his own electric and yet we've got one of
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Speaker 6: the best retailed politicians in this country being essentially silenced
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Speaker 6: and it's all over this net zero issue. You know,
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Speaker 6: I think that part of this has to go to
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Speaker 6: the leadership of David Little prowd of the Nationals, who
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Speaker 6: has seen a number of MP's already leave his party
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Speaker 6: room and you know, all over this, partially all over
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Speaker 6: this net zero issue, which they really need to resolve,
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Speaker 6: because this is if there's not an issue that the
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Speaker 6: Nationals who represent rural and regional Australia need to stand
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Speaker 6: up on. I mean, it is this which is smashing
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Speaker 6: these communities with the power lines and the soilder farms
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Speaker 6: and the wind and everything else. I don't know how
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Speaker 6: they haven't come to a resolution on this yet.
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Speaker 2: I will make the point that Barnaby Joyce was the
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Speaker 2: leader of the Nationals when this was signed off under
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison, an actual trget.
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Speaker 5: But they capitulated.
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Speaker 2: So maybe this is Barnaby doing some sort of you know,
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Speaker 2: great mea culpa here. But if he leaves the coalition,
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Speaker 2: let me tell you, the party room will change dramatically
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Speaker 2: on this issue because there's a push by the Moderates
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Speaker 2: basically to expunge from the party. All the Conservatives will
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Speaker 2: see what that looks like but I don't think it's
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Speaker 2: going to look like much in terms of ever getting
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Speaker 2: back into power. But no others will beg to differ.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to that story, the begin investigation car that
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Speaker 2: you've been working on. A granddaughter of a high profile
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Speaker 2: olympian failed to qualify for a sports competition. She ran third,
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Speaker 2: but she ran third to a trans student. I know
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Speaker 2: you've got all these details coming out tomorrow, but what
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Speaker 2: can you tell us tonight?
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Speaker 11: I can tell you that this eleven year old girl, Emily,
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Speaker 11: she has dreams of following in the footsteps of her grandmother,
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Speaker 11: who is faith lead. She's an Olympic Golden bronze medalers
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Speaker 11: to swam alongside Dawn Fraser in the nineteen fifty six
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Speaker 11: Olympics in Melbourne. And her granddaughter is a talented sprinter runner.
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Speaker 11: And she competed in her school's inter school competition last
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Speaker 11: month and placed behind a boy who identifies as a girl.
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Speaker 11: Only the first and second place winners of that competition.
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Speaker 11: That race, we've got some footage of the actual race,
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Speaker 11: proceed to the regionals regionals competition which took place last week. Now,
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Speaker 11: the father of that girl, Emily, made a formal complaint
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Speaker 11: with the Victorian Department of Education and asked made a
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Speaker 11: special request for her to get entry to the regionals
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Speaker 11: given these extraordinary circumstances, but the department rejected that and
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Speaker 11: Women's Form Australia Stephanie Bastian says that policies like the
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Speaker 11: Victorian Department of Educations, which allow students up to the
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Speaker 11: age of twelve to compete in any gender category they
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Speaker 11: like at this level, is crushing girls like Emily's dreams.
19:48
Speaker 8: These dreams are being crushed over guidelines because she has
19:52
Speaker 8: to compete against a male student in a female competition,
19:55
Speaker 8: and it's unfair and it's wrong.
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Speaker 5: Spot on.
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Speaker 2: And of course a lot of girls are going through
20:03
Speaker 2: puberty and boys two obviously before the age of twelve,
20:05
Speaker 2: so there can be a significant advantage there. This was
20:09
Speaker 2: a case of an eleven year old's race. I'll look
20:12
Speaker 2: forward to the story tomorrow on that Carrow. Hey, James,
20:14
Speaker 2: just before we go, oh, we like a bit of
20:16
Speaker 2: good news, because sometimes it's not. I go home and
20:19
Speaker 2: think all I've done is just been weighed down by
20:22
Speaker 2: all the things that are going wrong in the country.
20:24
Speaker 5: This is good news, Bill Shorten, He's.
20:27
Speaker 2: Now the head of Canberra University. He's developed a program
20:31
Speaker 2: that will see blue collar workers, people with a TAFE
20:36
Speaker 2: diploma be able to get into university and cut a
20:39
Speaker 2: year off their degrees. Now, this isn't about getting witted trades,
20:43
Speaker 2: because we all agree we need more trades. But let's
20:47
Speaker 2: say you've been on the tools. You're a carpenter. You've
20:49
Speaker 2: been on the tools your whole life. Right, you get
20:52
Speaker 2: to fifty, your back's done. You want to transfer to
20:56
Speaker 2: be a licensed builder or some other qualification. You'll now
20:59
Speaker 2: be able to move off the tools, get skilled out,
21:02
Speaker 2: get your ticket and run a business.
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Speaker 5: And I think this is fantastic.
21:06
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I think it's great too. And we need
21:10
Speaker 6: to do something about just all of the skills stuff.
21:13
Speaker 6: We need to make sure skills work from state to state,
21:15
Speaker 6: you know, and this is a really good place to
21:18
Speaker 6: start with that. And I think it starts a really
21:19
Speaker 6: really good conversation on this and I'd give Bill Shorten
21:22
Speaker 6: a lot of credit for this initiative. One thing I
21:24
Speaker 6: would also, though, say, is that we need to have
21:26
Speaker 6: a broader question about, you know, over credentialization in this
21:29
Speaker 6: country and how many things that we've now sort of
21:32
Speaker 6: pushed into the university sector that don't necessarily need to
21:35
Speaker 6: be there. I mean, some of the things that we're
21:37
Speaker 6: in the list of degrees were things like early childcare
21:40
Speaker 6: educator and things like this, and you know, leadership and governments.
21:44
Speaker 6: I'm not sure what exactly those things will be from
21:47
Speaker 6: a university point of view, but I think, yeah, great, absolutely,
21:50
Speaker 6: get people the tickets they need, whatever they are to
21:53
Speaker 6: get them, you know, earning and feeling all of these
21:57
Speaker 6: jobs that we apparently have going begging that we need
22:00
Speaker 6: to build the next sort of industrial revolution in this country.
22:06
Speaker 7: Yeah.
22:06
Speaker 2: And I want to see Pride return to higher level
22:09
Speaker 2: tape and trade qualifications too, because I think that's part
22:13
Speaker 2: of the problem. They've been put down for so long
22:15
Speaker 2: that parents are not encouraging by that way, and a
22:18
Speaker 2: lot of them should and would have a more natural affinity.
22:21
Speaker 2: Let's leave it there. I want to go now back
22:22
Speaker 2: to the issues that we've been talking about a week. Weapons, security, crime,
22:27
Speaker 2: the whole lot. This week, there's been a nationwide crackdown
22:30
Speaker 2: by police on illegal firearms. Already today, more than a
22:34
Speaker 2: thousand weapons have been seized, one hundred and eighty four
22:37
Speaker 2: arrests across Australia as well. This is what I'm really
22:40
Speaker 2: interested in tonight. Two hundred and eighty one of those
22:45
Speaker 2: those items seized and arrests related to three D printed
22:49
Speaker 2: or privately manufactured weapons, and that's a massive concern for authorities.
22:55
Speaker 2: Joining me out to discuss this Crime Editor and the
22:57
Speaker 2: Data Telegraph Mark Murray in my old life and government,
23:02
Speaker 2: I mean, one of the things they always said to
23:05
Speaker 2: us was our savior in terms of keeping guns, broadly
23:09
Speaker 2: speaking out of Australia was the fact that we have
23:13
Speaker 2: our island geography and we have quite significant customs resources
23:18
Speaker 2: at the border. But once you've gone down the path
23:21
Speaker 2: of technology and the arrival of the three D printer
23:24
Speaker 2: and the capacity to make a gun from that printer
23:28
Speaker 2: with plans just emailed over the internet, I mean, that's
23:31
Speaker 2: really changed the game.
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Speaker 5: Help us understand what's happening here.
23:35
Speaker 9: It's something that's been just gaining momentum over the last
23:38
Speaker 9: decade or so. I remember about fifteen twenty years ago
23:43
Speaker 9: this South Wales police purchased a three D printer to
23:47
Speaker 9: make a weapon and they said when they fired, it
23:50
Speaker 9: actually backfired and people were getting injured with them. But now,
23:54
Speaker 9: as you said, technology has just advanced so much that
23:57
Speaker 9: now you have people are able to make incredibly sophisticated
24:02
Speaker 9: three D weapons. I was just told the other day
24:05
Speaker 9: that they can actually make them so they can hold
24:08
Speaker 9: up to thirty rounds. They used to be single shot,
24:10
Speaker 9: but now they can actually make them into like mini
24:13
Speaker 9: machine guns. That's how frightening it is. And again our
24:17
Speaker 9: porous board as well. You know, now it's impossible to
24:21
Speaker 9: deteck because they put the metal parts in car parts,
24:25
Speaker 9: and they find all sorts of ways to put in
24:27
Speaker 9: bits and pieces, and they're now making these hybrids which
24:30
Speaker 9: are metal and plastic.
24:34
Speaker 2: See what I was always told was they required still
24:37
Speaker 2: requite some level of metal componentry because in ballistics terms,
24:42
Speaker 2: once the bullet's in the chamber and has to exit
24:44
Speaker 2: the weapon, it gets really hot and you can't get
24:47
Speaker 2: the plastic to tolerate the heat of the bullet. But
24:51
Speaker 2: if you've got perhaps coming by a post you're saying
24:54
Speaker 2: being secreted in other things coming into the country, the
24:58
Speaker 2: metal components and then you print everything else back here
25:02
Speaker 2: in Australia and you assemble it.
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Speaker 5: I mean, this is a.
25:06
Speaker 2: Massive risk given the levels of organized crime we've got
25:10
Speaker 2: in this country.
25:11
Speaker 9: That's right, and it's become a very very big problem,
25:16
Speaker 9: so much so that mal Lanya and our new police
25:19
Speaker 9: commission brought it up at the commissioners meeting that's going
25:22
Speaker 9: on in Tasmania. He realizes it's such a big problem.
25:25
Speaker 9: It gives so many more people access to weapons. It
25:28
Speaker 9: makes them a lot cheaper to buy a glock. A
25:32
Speaker 9: couple of years ago would be twenty to thirty thousand
25:35
Speaker 9: dollars an illegal block. Now these weapons are being made
25:38
Speaker 9: for next to nothing, and that means you get young
25:42
Speaker 9: people who can get hold of them, not just organized
25:46
Speaker 9: crime figures, but young guys who pretend they want to
25:48
Speaker 9: be gangsters are able to have Gee, look what I've got,
25:51
Speaker 9: So that it broadens the availability to a whole new
25:58
Speaker 9: kind of number of people, including a lot of young
26:01
Speaker 9: people who you know, we know that that have impulse
26:03
Speaker 9: control and they're not just organized creams, they're just want
26:07
Speaker 9: to be gangsters.
26:10
Speaker 2: Well that's horrific, because you know, Victoria's got a huge
26:12
Speaker 2: issue with machete is an other knife crime. Most of
26:15
Speaker 2: those were freely available through gardening stores and on the internet.
26:19
Speaker 2: There's been a partial crackdown. I don't know how successful.
26:22
Speaker 2: It's really going to be I think the good people
26:24
Speaker 2: hand in these sort of weapons in an amnesty, the
26:26
Speaker 2: bad guys don't. They just stockpile them. But if guns
26:30
Speaker 2: are also likely to be part of the mix, as
26:32
Speaker 2: we've just discussed, I mean that's a huge concern. I
26:35
Speaker 2: know you cover your South Wales crime, but look south
26:38
Speaker 2: to Victoria.
26:40
Speaker 5: Give me your.
26:42
Speaker 2: Sense of things that you've watched over recent months, because
26:46
Speaker 2: if you are a Victorian, it's hard not to think
26:50
Speaker 2: that the state's broken when it comes to lawlessness crime.
26:53
Speaker 2: And I have to say even the judiciary and the
26:56
Speaker 2: way in which people charge with very violent offenses seem
26:59
Speaker 2: to get bail.
27:00
Speaker 9: Yeah, well that's a problem that's hearing New South Wales.
27:03
Speaker 9: It seems to be across the state. We have multiple
27:06
Speaker 9: young juvenile offenders who are just repeatedly committing crimes while
27:10
Speaker 9: on bail. But Victoria does seem to have a problem,
27:13
Speaker 9: especially in the city. We've seen some incredible things that
27:17
Speaker 9: are quite frightening. Miss South Wales will be counting the
27:21
Speaker 9: lucky stars. We haven't really seen it to that degree.
27:24
Speaker 9: I think very early on our police force we had
27:29
Speaker 9: a problem with very young, youthful gangs in the city
27:32
Speaker 9: and they deployed rapp dun you know, who were used
27:35
Speaker 9: for bikings and they were rounding.
27:37
Speaker 5: Up sixteen year olds.
27:38
Speaker 9: This was a number of years ago when they were
27:39
Speaker 9: swarming into shopping centers and stealing things. So their tactics
27:45
Speaker 9: were a little bit more aggressive. I don't know, Victoria
27:47
Speaker 9: are a little bit more passive, but this South Wales
27:51
Speaker 9: does have a problem out in the bush and again
27:54
Speaker 9: they're now deploying these rapid units to go out there
27:58
Speaker 9: and they will hit a town WRAPPEDO which is the
28:01
Speaker 9: anti biking squad initially an other multiple squads and just
28:06
Speaker 9: target repeat offenders, people that they believe behind the violence.
28:12
Speaker 9: And you know, it's kind of like a like a
28:14
Speaker 9: flying squad, go in there, round them all up. Unfortunately,
28:18
Speaker 9: what I think they'll find is a minute they've left it,
28:20
Speaker 9: they're back out on bail and start all over again.
28:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny to know that Victorian that police could
28:26
Speaker 2: use rubber bullets on protests during COVID, but they can't
28:30
Speaker 2: seem to throw these kids in the TV van and
28:33
Speaker 2: ensure they're locked up.
28:33
Speaker 5: But we'll see what happens there.
28:35
Speaker 2: Just quickly you mentioned this police conference in Tasmania. We now,
28:40
Speaker 2: of course breaking us today in Victoria was our new
28:44
Speaker 2: police chief commissioner didn't take a commercial flight, spent thousands
28:48
Speaker 2: of dollars on the police helicopter to go from Melbourne
28:51
Speaker 2: a cross Backs strait into Hoe.
28:54
Speaker 5: But he's apologized for that. Now what do you make
28:57
Speaker 5: of this?
28:58
Speaker 9: I think he should have learned from what was happening
29:01
Speaker 9: in New South Wales over the last couple of years
29:03
Speaker 9: that you've got to be incredibly careful when you're using
29:06
Speaker 9: police resources or spending money. We saw Karen Webb, former commissioner,
29:10
Speaker 9: getting a lot of trouble over spending money on bottles
29:13
Speaker 9: of gin. Even mal Lanyon, who's just been appointed the
29:16
Speaker 9: police commissioner, there was an attempt to kind of derail
29:20
Speaker 9: his appointment by saying that he took some friends on
29:24
Speaker 9: a police boat on you u Z. So that transfer
29:27
Speaker 9: he should have been looking at.
29:28
Speaker 5: That has gone jeep. Now we've got to be very careful.
29:31
Speaker 9: Now this is a world where everything is scrutinized and
29:34
Speaker 9: a police chop I mean they really are specialized equipment
29:39
Speaker 9: used to be you know, for emergencies. I mean it
29:43
Speaker 9: does really beg us believe that one.
29:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Rightley has apologized. O over there, Mark Murray,
29:51
Speaker 2: thank you. After the break, the new poll says Victorians,
29:54
Speaker 2: the majority of Victorians rejects into Allen's Indigenous treaty, so
29:58
Speaker 2: she's just going to do it anyway. And what does
30:00
Speaker 2: this say about Labour's real plan though to roll it
30:03
Speaker 2: out nationally regardless of how you voted in the Voice
30:11
Speaker 2: blockerback still to come. What we can expect as the
30:14
Speaker 2: showdown looms for the College in party room in Canberra
30:17
Speaker 2: next week over the zero but down to the Institute
30:21
Speaker 2: of Public Affairs poll released today which found that a
30:23
Speaker 2: majority of Victorians reject the armed government's proposed treaty with
30:27
Speaker 2: Aboriginal groups. The surveys revealed that support collapsed even further
30:32
Speaker 2: when voters were informed about the powers of the proposed
30:35
Speaker 2: body Gellen. While the findings mirror the sentiment behind the
30:39
Speaker 2: recent Voice referendum, revealing continuing strong opposition to any policy
30:44
Speaker 2: scene to divide Australians by race. Margaret Chambers is the
30:48
Speaker 2: research fellow at the IPA who has done this research
30:51
Speaker 2: and she joins me now to discuss this. We were
30:54
Speaker 2: talking off in the break. You know, this legislation has landed.
30:58
Speaker 2: It's incredibly common pleiques. But the more that Australia Victorians
31:03
Speaker 2: start to learn what's really in it, the more they
31:06
Speaker 2: are hardening up their opposition to this race based treaty.
31:11
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly right.
31:12
Speaker 14: And I think the thing here, Peter, is that we've
31:14
Speaker 14: actually had a referendum on this already, and when Victorians
31:17
Speaker 14: were asked whether or not they supported a race based
31:19
Speaker 14: body being inserted into the constitution, fifty four percent said no.
31:23
Speaker 14: So we actually already know that's where victorians stand, and
31:26
Speaker 14: the polling just confirms that. So what we see is
31:28
Speaker 14: actually from the outset thirty seven percent of Victorians, only
31:32
Speaker 14: thirty seven percent support the treaty, whereas twenty.
31:35
Speaker 5: One percent are unsure.
31:36
Speaker 14: About forty two oppose it from the beginning. But then
31:39
Speaker 14: when more and more detail comes out, you see that
31:42
Speaker 14: support start to fall off quite dramatically, to the point
31:45
Speaker 14: where only sixty one percent of Victorians support it. When
31:48
Speaker 14: it uses the bill's own language to describe what treaty
31:51
Speaker 14: making will mean for Victorians.
31:53
Speaker 5: And remind me how long the bill is. The bills
31:55
Speaker 5: about two hundred and sixty pages long. Yeah, so it's.
31:58
Speaker 14: Enormously dense and you know, the more you shake this fill,
32:01
Speaker 14: the more problematic provisions come out of it. And I
32:04
Speaker 14: think time will tell just how terrible it is for Victoria.
32:07
Speaker 14: We already know that it will establish this race based
32:09
Speaker 14: body that will function as a third so as an
32:12
Speaker 14: additional chamber of Parliament that's entirely based on race, so
32:16
Speaker 14: its membership will be reserved for Aboriginal Victorians, you know,
32:19
Speaker 14: and it results in this frankly disturbing situation where if
32:23
Speaker 14: you're over the age of eighteen and you're Aboriginal, you'll
32:25
Speaker 14: actually have a double vote for who represents you in
32:28
Speaker 14: Parliament because that's how the voting eligibility is set up.
32:31
Speaker 14: So we already know that Victorians reject race based division.
32:35
Speaker 14: They don't want this, and yeah, this is just a
32:37
Speaker 14: policy proposal to further that end.
32:40
Speaker 5: What concerns me too is you look at the statistics.
32:42
Speaker 2: Only about one percent of Victorians identify as Aboriginal, and
32:47
Speaker 2: all that one percent about seven so less than ten
32:51
Speaker 2: percent actually voted for the First People's Assembly. That Assembly
32:56
Speaker 2: will morph into this race based chamber of.
33:00
Speaker 5: The Parliament, if we can call it that.
33:01
Speaker 2: So it's seven percent of one percent are going to
33:04
Speaker 2: have this double vote.
33:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly right, Peter.
33:07
Speaker 14: It's not a representative body. I think to say anything
33:10
Speaker 14: to that effect would just be a lie. You know,
33:12
Speaker 14: this is an Elita's body to represent a very small
33:15
Speaker 14: minority of Victorians, and it's not what Victorians want.
33:18
Speaker 5: They don't support that sort of thing.
33:20
Speaker 2: What we've seen so often in Victoria, whether it was
33:23
Speaker 2: sister dying, whether it was the ability to have a
33:27
Speaker 2: late term abortion, or abortion basically on demand right up
33:30
Speaker 2: until birth, gender ID self ID laws.
33:34
Speaker 5: It starts in Victoria. Victoria is the Petri dish, and
33:38
Speaker 5: then this gets.
33:39
Speaker 2: Rolled out in every other state, which we have seen
33:43
Speaker 2: people inside labor say to me.
33:45
Speaker 5: We want to get this up in Victoria.
33:47
Speaker 2: Well make sure it doesn't scare the horses at least
33:49
Speaker 2: for the first couple of years, and then that will
33:52
Speaker 2: be used as the template to put it out in
33:54
Speaker 2: other states.
33:55
Speaker 5: Do you think that's right. Yeah, I think that's exactly right.
33:58
Speaker 14: We've seen that time and time again, where unfortunately Victoria
34:01
Speaker 14: is the test case. It's like a cauldron of hatred
34:04
Speaker 14: and poor judgment for the rest of Australia, like an
34:07
Speaker 14: inspiration point, and we're already have seen proposals to this
34:11
Speaker 14: effect in New South Wales and South Australia where they're considering.
34:14
Speaker 5: Rolling out similar things. But I mean, we saw this
34:16
Speaker 5: earlier this year with anti.
34:18
Speaker 14: Discrimination laws and reforms that basically what's wrong to call
34:21
Speaker 14: them reforms because it was a step backwards that made
34:25
Speaker 14: hateful speech illegal in Victoria and that was you know,
34:29
Speaker 14: it spread to the rest of the states and territories.
34:31
Speaker 14: So I think it's exactly the same with the treaty.
34:33
Speaker 5: We will see this spread and.
34:34
Speaker 2: The Viclibs have said they'll oppose the legislation. Where do
34:39
Speaker 2: they stand if they were to win govern next year?
34:41
Speaker 14: So the victims have said that they'll repeal it within
34:43
Speaker 14: the first one hundred days of being elected if they
34:46
Speaker 14: get elected. But I think what this polling shows this
34:49
Speaker 14: is a real opportunity for the Liberal Party in Victoria
34:52
Speaker 14: because what we see from the polling is that seventy
34:55
Speaker 14: nine percent of Libs already oppose the treaty. They're locked
34:58
Speaker 14: into opposing it, so they won't whose votes if they
35:01
Speaker 14: go hard on this issue. But interestingly, what we also
35:04
Speaker 14: see is that it's an opportunity to win votes off
35:07
Speaker 14: of labor because.
35:08
Speaker 5: You've into campaign, and not just to go passive to campaign.
35:11
Speaker 14: Exactly right, to make it an election issue because when
35:13
Speaker 14: labor voters find out more about the treaty, the support
35:16
Speaker 14: actually tanks among them as well, So it's an opposition,
35:19
Speaker 14: so it's an opportunity to actually win votes off of
35:21
Speaker 14: labor voters.
35:22
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be nice if it is something sensible in
35:25
Speaker 2: a campaigning a sense? That's good advice, Margaret, thank you,
35:28
Speaker 2: Thank you. Margot cham is there from the IPA quick
35:30
Speaker 2: after the break, we're going to get into remarks today
35:32
Speaker 2: from the Chief of Origin Energy. Big warning to government
35:36
Speaker 2: over the transition to renewables, plus the coalitions showdown net zero.
35:41
Speaker 5: It will be interesting next week. Welcome back my panel
35:48
Speaker 5: for tonight.
35:49
Speaker 2: Deputy Executive Director at the Institute of Public Affairs, Dan,
35:52
Speaker 2: You're wild it's guarding contribute to Jamie Rodgers. Welcome to
35:55
Speaker 2: you both in sendiary pardon the pun. Comments from the
36:00
Speaker 2: Head of Origin Energy Frank Collabria today warning the Albanezi
36:04
Speaker 2: government that it is out of time. He says, to
36:07
Speaker 2: restore investor confidence and deliver a stable policy framework for
36:11
Speaker 2: Australia's renewable energy transition. At the same time of course,
36:15
Speaker 2: we know the Coalition is finally going to bring the
36:18
Speaker 2: whole issue of net zero to a head, so says
36:20
Speaker 2: Susan Lee in Canberra next week. Dan some wanted kept
36:25
Speaker 2: as an aspiration, So we're not going to get twenty
36:28
Speaker 2: thirty targets. They've already said no to twenty thirty five.
36:31
Speaker 2: But out there of the ether they want to stay
36:34
Speaker 2: signed up to the Paris Agreement.
36:36
Speaker 5: I think that's a nonsense. I think it's been half pregnant.
36:39
Speaker 2: The Conservative MPs out today are saying there is absolutely
36:42
Speaker 2: no talk or we will not be able to cop
36:44
Speaker 2: any sort of compromise.
36:46
Speaker 5: So where is this headed.
36:48
Speaker 15: Well, they've got to get rid of net zero, as
36:51
Speaker 15: you know, Peter. You've got to be in or out
36:53
Speaker 15: if they want to keep net zero, which I don't
36:54
Speaker 15: think they should do. But if they want to keep it,
36:56
Speaker 15: then they need to back it in hard, or they
36:58
Speaker 15: need to go against it hard and explain to the
37:00
Speaker 15: Australian public why it is a bad policy. You cannot
37:02
Speaker 15: have one foot in and one foot out. You cannot
37:05
Speaker 15: compromise on these kind of issues, which are the big
37:07
Speaker 15: issues facing Australia's future, and I think any compromise on
37:10
Speaker 15: This will significantly weaken Susan Lee's leadership. And look, the
37:14
Speaker 15: reality is that the Coalition has taken net zero to
37:17
Speaker 15: two elections in a row. And we were told that
37:20
Speaker 15: the Coalition needed to have net zero in order to
37:23
Speaker 15: win the very seats that they lost, namely the TiAl
37:25
Speaker 15: seats the inner city seats. Only won one of those
37:27
Speaker 15: back at the last election. So not only is it
37:30
Speaker 15: bad for our economy, our society, for regional Australia and
37:33
Speaker 15: for our national security, it's a proven vote loser for
37:37
Speaker 15: the Liberal Party. So I think it's more evident than
37:39
Speaker 15: ever that they have to dump net zero.
37:41
Speaker 2: Politics is the contest, Jamie. You've got to have positions
37:44
Speaker 2: of clarity and all the big issues facing voters. And
37:47
Speaker 2: there's no bigger issue than power bills and our energy security.
37:51
Speaker 2: And I mean, if you keep sitting on the fans,
37:52
Speaker 2: I'll tell them you end up with barbed wire up
37:55
Speaker 2: your backside.
37:56
Speaker 5: I mean, what's your position here? Should they dumb net zero?
38:00
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a spot on question, Peter.
38:03
Speaker 16: And I must say I was really disappointed to hear
38:05
Speaker 16: in Kenny's program that Susan Lee won't actually be at
38:08
Speaker 16: that roundtable discussion next week. Dan Teene will be there,
38:11
Speaker 16: But I think when your party is so fractured over
38:13
Speaker 16: an issue where they are going to be debating whether
38:15
Speaker 16: to stick it or not, you would think that the
38:18
Speaker 16: leader would be there to hear both sides of the argument.
38:21
Speaker 16: I really can't stand any more, Peter. Where the Liberals
38:23
Speaker 16: keep saying that they've got plenty of time to ensure
38:26
Speaker 16: that they get this policy right. The reality is they
38:28
Speaker 16: don't have time, and whatever that decision is that they make,
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Speaker 16: I completely agree with everything that Dan just said. They
38:34
Speaker 16: need to stick with their decision, but then spend the
38:36
Speaker 16: next two years taking the voters on the journey of
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Speaker 16: why they came to that decision if they've going with
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Speaker 16: the net zero idea.
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Speaker 12: I know in the AFI today they were.
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Speaker 16: Saying the AFI said that they probably will keep net
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Speaker 16: zero the coalition or or they'll stretch it out. Just
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Speaker 16: make your decision and then take the voters on the
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Speaker 16: journey of why you went in that direction.
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Speaker 12: We don't have time.
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Speaker 16: Let's lift the moratorium or nuclear so the market can
38:58
Speaker 16: decide and we can actually have a proper discussion of
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Speaker 16: what to do with our energy. But right now, Peter,
39:04
Speaker 16: while the Liberals are trying to decide who they are
39:06
Speaker 16: and what direction they want to go in.
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Speaker 12: They need to make up their mind before it's too late.
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Speaker 2: Just on that, and that's a great point you make.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Dann Barrage is ahead in the polls because
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Speaker 2: of clarity. I think he's got four and a bit
39:22
Speaker 2: years before the next election in Britain, more time than
39:25
Speaker 2: Susan Lee has got.
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Speaker 5: But you know exactly where he stands.
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Speaker 2: On all the big issues facing British voters, and he's
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Speaker 2: out there arguing why his plans better than the Conservatives
39:36
Speaker 2: and better than Labor.
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Speaker 5: I think it's a massive missed.
39:39
Speaker 2: Opportunity for her to do exactly what Dutton did and
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Speaker 2: hold everything back for a six week campaign.
39:46
Speaker 5: They will not recover.
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Speaker 15: I agree the Australian public want leadership. We're not getting leadership.
39:54
Speaker 15: And certainly in the lead up to the last election,
39:56
Speaker 15: there was no enthusiasm for either side. Yes, Labor one easily,
40:00
Speaker 15: that was an enthusiastic vote for Anthony Albanezi and there
40:02
Speaker 15: was no enthusiasm for Peter Dutton. So the community want
40:05
Speaker 15: to have leadership. As you point out with Nigel Farage,
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Speaker 15: he has seized the moment. He understands the changing nature
40:13
Speaker 15: of the electorate and culture and society, and the main
40:15
Speaker 15: division in the Liberal Party is not conservative and moderate.
40:18
Speaker 15: It's between those who get it and those who don't
40:21
Speaker 15: get it. We're not living in the nineteen eighties or
40:23
Speaker 15: nineteen nineties anymore. We need new solutions to the challenges
40:26
Speaker 15: that we face today, and as you say, we need
40:28
Speaker 15: clarity to the public on those matters.
40:31
Speaker 2: One thing I will give Susan Lake credit for Jamie
40:34
Speaker 2: is she's made some comments that she's looking very dubiously
40:38
Speaker 2: at Labour's proposal for ten dollars childcare for everyone in Australia,
40:43
Speaker 2: regardless of income levels. I mean, already, as taxpayers we
40:47
Speaker 2: support childcare subsidies for people learning over five hundred thousand
40:52
Speaker 2: dollars a year. I find that is extraordinary when we've
40:54
Speaker 2: got pensioners we can't even keep the lights on. But
40:57
Speaker 2: that's where we are. What I think is missing is
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Speaker 2: an opportunity for the Coalition to say, you know, we'll
41:03
Speaker 2: go even further than that. What subsid is we do
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Speaker 2: provide to families as tax payers for childcare, We're actually
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Speaker 2: going to give to the family and let them choose
41:12
Speaker 2: the sort of care that best suits them in the
41:15
Speaker 2: age of their children, as opposed to forcing them into
41:18
Speaker 2: these unionized childcare centers, which is basically just a ployee
41:23
Speaker 2: for Labor to grow it's dwindling membership numbers.
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Speaker 16: You're absolutely spot on there, Peter. Childcare was something that
41:30
Speaker 16: I was harping on about during the last election because
41:33
Speaker 16: I think if we can nail the childcare policy, you
41:35
Speaker 16: will bring back those female voters and families as well,
41:39
Speaker 16: because by providing.
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Speaker 12: Choice is what families want to do.
41:42
Speaker 16: You don't want to be in that box solution of
41:44
Speaker 16: just having to go to childcare.
41:45
Speaker 12: Now, this ten dollars a day.
41:47
Speaker 16: The Labor government has previously done modeling if what that
41:50
Speaker 16: hit will be to the budget.
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Speaker 12: It will cost.
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Speaker 16: Taxpayers about eight billion dollars every year for that plan.
41:56
Speaker 16: Now we already know that we're heading towards one point
41:58
Speaker 16: two trillion dollars in debt by the next election, which
42:01
Speaker 16: means in order to pay for that, we're going to
42:03
Speaker 16: have to do budget cut somewhere else or increase taxes.
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Speaker 12: But the other issue, Peter, with.
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Speaker 16: Something like this is supply if we're going to provide
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Speaker 16: childcare for ten dollars a day. Great that everyone will
42:14
Speaker 16: then have access to it, But right now there's huge
42:17
Speaker 16: waiting list to be able to access childcare facilities and
42:20
Speaker 16: this is going to open up even more to give
42:22
Speaker 16: more access to families. So they're going to have to
42:24
Speaker 16: also find a solution of trying to build more facilities
42:27
Speaker 16: to be able to accommodate for the influx of the
42:30
Speaker 16: new families utilizing this. But to your point, we need
42:33
Speaker 16: to be creative and start thinking of something else, whether
42:36
Speaker 16: that is giving the money to the families, whether we
42:38
Speaker 16: look into a tax deduction, there are other options that
42:41
Speaker 16: we can do. Some families might still choose to go
42:43
Speaker 16: down the subsidy path, but let's do a model where
42:45
Speaker 16: it's about choice. Let the families have the power to
42:48
Speaker 16: decide what's best for them and their family.
42:52
Speaker 5: Here here absolutely right.
42:54
Speaker 2: Britney Higgins has dropped her appeal against the defamation loss
42:59
Speaker 2: in the Supreme Court. This is the case, of course
43:02
Speaker 2: Linda Reynolds won. Linda Reynolds was found by the judge
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Speaker 2: to have been defamed and that there was no attempt
43:08
Speaker 2: to cover up by the former Morrison government. Now this
43:12
Speaker 2: is interesting because we know that the Brittany Higgins got
43:16
Speaker 2: over two million dollars in terms of taxpayer funded settlement,
43:20
Speaker 2: but out of this case should be up for what
43:22
Speaker 2: we're told two million in legal costs and of course
43:25
Speaker 2: the three hundred thousand dollars penalty awarded to Senator Reynolds.
43:30
Speaker 2: Katie Gallagher is one of the mean girls who was
43:34
Speaker 2: involved in the whole in broglio. Was pushed on this
43:37
Speaker 2: today as to whether there needs to be a proper
43:39
Speaker 2: and fared InCom transparent inquiry into the scandal, and she
43:44
Speaker 2: said this.
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Speaker 7: I have already responded to all of the matters relating
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Speaker 7: to this, as far as you know, I am able
43:52
Speaker 7: to do so. I have responded at length in the Parliament.
43:55
Speaker 7: I was questioned for two weeks by the opposition of
43:59
Speaker 7: almost every question in every question time on this and
44:03
Speaker 7: I have nothing further to say.
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Speaker 2: Dan, I've had a lot to do with staffing over
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Speaker 2: the years. I've never seen anyone get two hundred thousand,
44:12
Speaker 2: let alone two million. I think this is crook, and
44:15
Speaker 2: I think there has to be a public and transparent
44:18
Speaker 2: inquiry and that everything's out there on the table. Because
44:22
Speaker 2: now that Reynolds has this judgment, I think there are
44:25
Speaker 2: real questions for the Me and Girls.
44:28
Speaker 15: Well, I agree with that assessment, Peter, because this whole
44:30
Speaker 15: thing has looked very dodgy from day one, and I
44:33
Speaker 15: think Australians wondering why did this payout occur, what were
44:36
Speaker 15: the motives for it and so forth, and clearly there
44:39
Speaker 15: was a political element to it. And I think good
44:41
Speaker 15: on Linda Reynolds for standing up for herself. I mean,
44:43
Speaker 15: it must have been incredibly difficult for her to do
44:46
Speaker 15: that in the situation, and I think, you know, more
44:49
Speaker 15: strength than her arm for sticking up for herself and
44:52
Speaker 15: going out and prosecuting this case in the courts, in
44:54
Speaker 15: the media, and ultimately she's won. So I think most
44:57
Speaker 15: Australians want to see this affair put behind them, but
45:00
Speaker 15: also to actually understand the truth of what actually happened.
45:03
Speaker 2: And whether or not Labor was using it all politically
45:05
Speaker 2: for gain in the Morrison era.
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Speaker 5: I'll ove it there. Thank you to you both.
45:09
Speaker 2: Out of the break, we'll get into words with Kel Richards.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, join of me as he does every Wednesday,
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Speaker 2: our good friend wordsmith and broadcaster Kel Richards. We've had
45:23
Speaker 2: a whole discussion about political theory. I think in the
45:26
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks in and around these debates inside
45:29
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party. So I thought it would be opportune
45:32
Speaker 2: to go back and remind ourselves of the origins of
45:35
Speaker 2: some of these terms conservative and conservatism.
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Speaker 10: That one kel conservatism really embodies the belief that what
45:45
Speaker 10: matters is preserving conserving the best traditions and institutions handed
45:51
Speaker 10: down to us by previous generations. So conservatives basically are
45:55
Speaker 10: people who are not arrogant enough to pretend they're the
45:57
Speaker 10: cleverest people who ever lived. They accept that earlier generations
46:01
Speaker 10: did create really good, worthwhile things, and it's their responsibility,
46:05
Speaker 10: as part of a chain of generations to preserve, conserve
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Speaker 10: what is best in those traditions and institutions and hand
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Speaker 10: them down to the next generation. Largely inspired by Edmund Burke,
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Speaker 10: who was a witness to the French Revolution, saw the
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Speaker 10: past of an entire European nation wiped out in a
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Speaker 10: few years. That's what horrified Burke, and that's what conservatives
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Speaker 10: want to do. They want to see the best passed on.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean conservatives don't like change, it's just that
46:34
Speaker 2: they are slow to change and they want to see
46:36
Speaker 2: the case made. I'm a conservative I think the best
46:40
Speaker 2: explanation given to me was I don't think I'm better
46:43
Speaker 2: or smarter than my grandparents. Yes, exactly what the other
46:49
Speaker 2: side of the Australian Liberal Party classical.
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Speaker 10: Liberal Okay, that comes from not from Edmund Burke, but
46:56
Speaker 10: from John Locke, John Stewart Mille, people like that. And
46:59
Speaker 10: really it's simple. It is focused on the liberty of
47:02
Speaker 10: the individual. And because liberty, hence liberalism, and the focus
47:07
Speaker 10: is on protecting the liberty of the individual from excessive intrusion,
47:12
Speaker 10: especially by overpowering governments. So in a sense it's a
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Speaker 10: simpler concept than conservatism, but if really applied, should fit
47:20
Speaker 10: comfortably with it. Socialism, Okay, the lot of ideas about this.
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Speaker 10: I think this is my view that the core of
47:31
Speaker 10: those ideas is that society matters more than individuals. I mean,
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Speaker 10: that's what we saw in COVID society being treated as individuals,
47:39
Speaker 10: being treated as unimportant will do the big picture stuff.
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Speaker 10: That's what socialism is. It's the idea really that the
47:46
Speaker 10: state has the responsibility and the authority to do anything
47:50
Speaker 10: in any area of life. Out of that kind of
47:52
Speaker 10: thinking came climate politics, because these are the sort of
47:56
Speaker 10: politicians who believe they're responsible for the global climate and
47:59
Speaker 10: they have the power to control the global climate. I
48:02
Speaker 10: think that socialists might disagree, but I think that's not
48:06
Speaker 10: a bad it's the state.
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Speaker 2: It's that the state is bigger than the individual. That's right,
48:11
Speaker 2: rub between that and classical liberal What about.
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Speaker 10: Marxism, okay from Carl Marx. Obviously, what's happened is it's
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Speaker 10: changed in the twentieth century. In the middle of the
48:20
Speaker 10: twentieth century, Marxist thinkers realized Marxist politics enslaved people, Marxist
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Speaker 10: economics impoverished people. So they switch to cultural Marxism, based
48:29
Speaker 10: on Marx's view that every society has only two groups,
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Speaker 10: the oppressors and the oppressed. This now dominates the Western
48:36
Speaker 10: universities of the world under the name of critical theory.
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Speaker 10: That's what critical theory is. That's cultural Marxism, and it
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Speaker 10: has won the day in our universities.
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Speaker 2: And if you live in Victoria, you live under it
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Speaker 2: every single day. I'll over there. Thank you Kel's seed
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Speaker 2: next week. That's thanks for your company, O see you tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Here is jas Wcpherson