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‘Tech Tuesday’ with Rich DeMuro | Powering Data Centers · The Bill Handel Show

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
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Speaker 2: Bill Handle here, Good morning everybody. It is a Tuesday morning.
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Speaker 2: Some deaths to note. Jesse Jackson died yesterday. Robert Duval
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Speaker 2: died I believe on Saturday. We have, of course, that
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Speaker 2: partial shutdown still going on for some reason. It's not
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Speaker 2: making news except for the people that are not going
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Speaker 2: to get paid that work for the government. And the
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Speaker 2: Nancy gutthree disappearance case continues now in his third week. Okay,
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Speaker 2: let's move over to some tech stuff. It's our Tech
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Speaker 2: segment with Rich Demurrow. We do every Tuesday. You can
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Speaker 2: hear him live Rich on Tech every Saturday from eleven
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Speaker 2: am to two pm. That's here on KFI. He's on
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Speaker 2: KTLA television every morning. Instagram at rich on Tech website,
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Speaker 2: richon Tech dot TV. Good morning, Rich, Good morning Bill. Okay,
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Speaker 2: let's start with digital cameras. Tiny little digital cameras. It
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Speaker 2: used to be these tiny little things were the stuff
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Speaker 2: of spy novels and movies and the CIA and the
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Speaker 2: FBI in reality now a little just tiny little things
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Speaker 2: you couldn't see.
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Speaker 3: Now we can all get them.
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Speaker 2: And let's talk about how much, how often they're being used,
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Speaker 2: the availability, all of that.
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Speaker 4: That's interesting. I didn't think of that angle like when
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Speaker 4: I was younger. You know, you'd seen like the back
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Speaker 4: of like Boys Life magazine, the ads for like little
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Speaker 4: spy cameras and things like this. And now every device
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Speaker 4: has a camera in it and it's tiny. Even my
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Speaker 4: sunglasses have it. But these are a new trend that
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Speaker 4: we're seeing in the tech world of digital cameras that
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Speaker 4: are super small, but they look like old school cameras.
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Speaker 4: So one of them is the Kodak Charmera. This is
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Speaker 4: a key chain camera fits on your key and it
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Speaker 4: looks like a miniature digital camera and it's just tiny.
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Speaker 4: You can take pictures on it, you develop the develop them,
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Speaker 4: you plug it into your computer to see what you
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Speaker 4: take pictures of. And that one's been popular for a
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Speaker 4: while now. The new one is the OPT one hundred
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Speaker 4: Neo Film. This one looks like a roll of thirty
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Speaker 4: five millimeter film and again the same kind of concept.
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Speaker 4: It's small, fits on a keychain, takes pictures, very basic specs.
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Speaker 4: We're not talking, you know, great photos here. Both of
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Speaker 4: these things sell for about under forty dollars and the
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Speaker 4: whole thing is retro fun. You know, it's it's this
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Speaker 4: idea that you know, our phones take these amazing pictures.
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Speaker 4: But if you want something that's a little bit different,
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Speaker 4: and you want something that's a little more of a
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Speaker 4: surprise when you look at these photos later, that's what's
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Speaker 4: happening with these with this trend.
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Speaker 2: If you like retro, just get a toaster that's retro.
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Speaker 2: I mean, frankly, the idea of a retro camera. I
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Speaker 2: like the little tiny guy. That was the direction I
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Speaker 2: was going to go, but obviously that's not the story here.
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Speaker 3: Do you have one of these on your keychain?
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Speaker 1: I do not.
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Speaker 4: I do have what's called a camp snap. And what
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Speaker 4: I like about this one is that it looks like
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Speaker 4: the digital, Sorry, not the digital. It looks like the
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Speaker 4: disposable cameras that you used to get, right, you used
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Speaker 4: to get a disposable camera, take pictures, send it in,
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Speaker 4: but it's like it's digital, and so there's no there's
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Speaker 4: a viewfinder, but there's no way to see the pictures
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Speaker 4: until you quote unquote develop them by plugging this.
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Speaker 1: Thing into your computer.
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Speaker 4: So I think part of this trend, too, Bill, is
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Speaker 4: like people are trying to disconnect a little bit more.
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Speaker 4: And I think that's what a big part of this
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Speaker 4: trend is, is that we've become so hyper connected at
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Speaker 4: all times. People are trying to disconnect by using a
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Speaker 4: camera like this instead of their smartphone to take pictures
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Speaker 4: out and about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, while you were talking, I was thinking of a
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Speaker 2: TV camera or a camera in a rabbit's foot that
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Speaker 2: you where on a chain.
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Speaker 3: You talk about retro hunh h. Can you see there
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Speaker 3: you go?
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Speaker 1: Now I have another one to talk about.
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Speaker 2: There you are, okay, QR codes. I want to spend
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Speaker 2: a minute or two talking about QR codes. We all
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Speaker 2: use QR codes. I mean QR codes at the market,
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Speaker 2: QR codes. Whenever you're looking up at the CV screen
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Speaker 2: and you're looking at getting any kind of information, there's
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Speaker 2: the QR code up there. Now, there's some safety tips
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Speaker 2: because they can be dangerous QR codes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, here's the thing.
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Speaker 4: I'm not one of these people that's like overly like, okay,
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Speaker 4: you got to be like, I'm not trying to scare you.
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Speaker 4: But I think it's it's important for people to understand
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Speaker 4: the risks of things out there in the tech world.
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Speaker 1: And one of them is a QR code.
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Speaker 4: Yes, Like you said, we're scanning them every single day
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Speaker 4: for everything from menus to schedules to whatever. But you
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Speaker 4: have to realize the main thing that could be really
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Speaker 4: tricky about these is you don't always know the website
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Speaker 4: that this QR code is going to take you to. Now,
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Speaker 4: I test a lot of different smartphones, and the ones
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Speaker 4: I like the most tell you exactly what the website
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Speaker 4: is going to be before you get there, like the
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Speaker 4: full URL. The iPhone kind of does that, sometimes it
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Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily give you everything all at once. Samsung, I think,
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Speaker 4: does a little bit of a better job at showing
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Speaker 4: you what that code is going to be, because the
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Speaker 4: main thing is that that code could be malicious. And
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Speaker 4: so if you think you're scanning a code to pay
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Speaker 4: a parking ticket, it could be a code that leads
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Speaker 4: you to a website that's trying to capture your payment details.
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Speaker 4: So my main kind of advice here is to just
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Speaker 4: be aware when you scan a QR code, know where
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Speaker 4: it's going, and if it's something where you're paying a
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Speaker 4: bill or you're handing over any sort of personal information,
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Speaker 4: double check the URL in your web browser to make
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Speaker 4: sure it is legitimate before you submit any information, all.
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Speaker 2: Right, Rich, I want to say about a personal experience
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Speaker 2: I'm having with email, and that is I am looking
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Speaker 2: on starting to take yoga because I like these ladies
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Speaker 2: making complete assets out of me or making an ass
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Speaker 2: out of me.
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Speaker 3: So I'm looking at different yoga places.
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Speaker 2: And there is a gym that a friend of mine
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Speaker 2: has that offers yoga class and so I go there.
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Speaker 3: And I get a free day pass.
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Speaker 2: And what's your email? I go, well, I'd rather not
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Speaker 2: give you my email. Oh, then you can't come in.
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Speaker 2: What if I buy? If I want to buy a subscription,
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Speaker 2: do I have to give you my email?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they won't do he won't. They won't deal me
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Speaker 2: without my email. You can't say no to email. And
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Speaker 2: it's real simple. I don't want to give my email
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Speaker 2: because I don't want to get blasted twenty times a
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Speaker 2: day by these offers. It drives me nuts. So I
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Speaker 2: don't hand out hand out my email. You know what
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Speaker 2: I should do is, and I'm sure you're going to
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Speaker 2: say this, set up an email a junk email BS
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Speaker 2: handle at bshandle dot com, BS standing for of course BS.
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Speaker 2: So is that the only thing you can do is
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Speaker 2: set up an email that just spam goes in.
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Speaker 4: Well, there's many many ways to do this, but I mean, look,
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Speaker 4: there's something called an email alias, and that is an
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Speaker 4: email address that forwards to your actual email, which without
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Speaker 4: revealing your real email address. So if you are on iCloud,
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Speaker 4: if you are paying for iCloud storage, you can get
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Speaker 4: this for free. So you can go to your iPhone
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Speaker 4: settings under iCloud and if you go into I Gotta
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Speaker 4: find word is you can get an email address there.
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Speaker 4: So Apple calls it a like a cloaked email address.
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Speaker 4: So that's an easy way to do it.
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Speaker 1: Do you pay for iCloud, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I have no I I don't know how to churn
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Speaker 2: my computer on for God's sakes, rich, But you still
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Speaker 2: get the emails even though through this iCloud offer, you
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Speaker 2: still get emails, don't you.
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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, So you'll still get the email. It'll just
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Speaker 4: forward and they can't see your actual email address. And
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Speaker 4: so Apple calls it hide my email. And that's a
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Speaker 4: very very simple way of doing it. I think that's probably.
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Speaker 1: The easiest way. With Gmail.
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Speaker 4: It's interesting with Gmail, you can do a plus sign
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Speaker 4: after your email address So let's say it's like rich
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Speaker 4: on tech at gmail dot com, which is not my
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Speaker 4: email address. But if I wanted to give that out
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Speaker 4: to someone, I can say rich on tech plus you know,
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Speaker 4: yoga place at gmail dot com, and that email will
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Speaker 4: still arrive to my email address. But I can filter
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Speaker 4: or toss out that email and throw it out. The
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Speaker 4: problem is with that is that if you're you know,
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Speaker 4: if you have half a brain, you can figure out
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Speaker 4: your root email addresses rich on tech at gmail dot com.
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Speaker 4: So the iCloud one gives you an actual, unique, random
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Speaker 4: email address, and there's other services that can do that
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Speaker 4: as well out there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's no way to get well what I
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Speaker 2: considered legitimate email because these companies that send emails to
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Speaker 2: whatever email address is attributable to me, they're going to
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Speaker 2: offer me literally twenty emails a day. I sometimes get.
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Speaker 2: That's why I said I'm done. I can't take it anymore.
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Speaker 4: I think people are realizing that their email address is
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Speaker 4: something you want to protect, just like your phone number.
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Speaker 4: It used to be you'd give anyone your phone number
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Speaker 4: to sign up for the club card at the grocery store.
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Speaker 1: No problem here. You go.
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Speaker 4: You know, work, people whoever. But everyone wants an email
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Speaker 4: address now and they all want to text you. And
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Speaker 4: so for me personally, I've got the delineation between you know,
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Speaker 4: am I giving this out to a business or someone
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Speaker 4: I don't know, they get my Google voice number? Am
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Speaker 4: I giving it out to a new friend or someone
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Speaker 4: I do know? They get my actual real phone number. So,
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Speaker 4: you know, people are just realizing that privacy is important.
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Speaker 4: And we went for you know, twenty years of not
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Speaker 4: really thinking about this stuff to now because we're all
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Speaker 4: getting bombarded with these ads and spam we have to
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Speaker 4: think about and spam calls. We have to think about
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Speaker 4: this stuff. Yeah, I really just gave me a great
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Speaker 4: idea for a segment. So I'm gonna I'm gonna do
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Speaker 4: a segment on how to hide your email address.
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Speaker 2: I don't worry about people having my phone number because
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Speaker 2: no one ever wants to call me or does, so
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Speaker 2: that makes life easy for me. Ticktok Okay, you want.
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Speaker 1: To hear one more?
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Speaker 4: You want to hear one more that that? Really, I
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Speaker 4: had this guy in a radio show. He started this
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Speaker 4: website called cloaked dot com. Now this takes it bill
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Speaker 4: to like a whole new level because you can literally
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Speaker 4: generate like almost an entire new identity. Like I'm talking,
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Speaker 4: it's it's really in depth, like it's not just a
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Speaker 4: phone number. It's a phone number and email address. I mean,
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Speaker 4: it's just you can pay. I mean there's actually there's
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Speaker 4: another thing I like to use where you can you
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Speaker 4: can guard the actual credit card number, so you can
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Speaker 4: generate like a one time use card number. And that's
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Speaker 4: really handy because when I sign up for all these
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Speaker 4: free trials I sign up for for all these products
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Speaker 4: I'm testing, I always forget to cancel them, and so
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Speaker 4: this if they try to charge you after that initial charge,
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Speaker 4: it just doesn't work.
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Speaker 1: And so that's saved my butt many many times.
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Speaker 2: But when they run the credit card is still good
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Speaker 2: because they run it right there.
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Speaker 4: The first time. But you can set like cause a
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Speaker 4: lot of companies, when you, let's say you do a
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Speaker 4: free trial, a lot of companies will just run the
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Speaker 4: card to make sure it works. So they just do
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Speaker 4: like a dollar authorization, so the card will work for that,
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Speaker 4: but after that it won't work at all. But you
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Speaker 4: can also do something like let's say the free trial
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Speaker 4: is five dollars, you can set up the card where
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Speaker 4: it only works for six dollars, and as soon as
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Speaker 4: they put that five dollars on, it will never work again.
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Speaker 4: And that's a that's a company. I've been using it
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Speaker 4: for a while. It's called privacy dot com and I
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Speaker 4: use it for I mean, it's just virtual temporary cards,
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Speaker 4: and it's a it's a great hack on the internet
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Speaker 4: for getting around all these places that want your credit
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Speaker 4: card number to charge you forever.
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Speaker 3: All right, we are out of time. Boy.
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Speaker 2: We had a couple more to talk about, which will
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Speaker 2: try again next week. So Rich, you have a good one.
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Speaker 2: We'll catch you this weekend eleven am to two pm
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Speaker 2: on rich on Tech and of course you can watch
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Speaker 2: them on TV every morning on k t L a
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Speaker 2: Instagram at rich on Tech. The website is rich on
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Speaker 2: Tech dot tv. By the way, Rich, does it help
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Speaker 2: when I horre you every single day, twice a day
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Speaker 2: when we do it on Tuesday?
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Speaker 4: Yes, I really I owe you money for that for
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Speaker 4: yeah bring me out, Yeah, just not enough.
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Speaker 2: You can't afford me if I were to charge Okay,
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Speaker 2: you're like my yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna like your
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Speaker 2: uncle is gonna stiff you in the will, which is
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Speaker 2: very important. You like my kids. So I'm gonna stiff
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Speaker 2: in the will. All right, we are done now. I
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Speaker 2: don't know if you have ever spoken to various legislators
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Speaker 2: and people involved in municipal entities, you know, the water
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Speaker 2: district's gas company, et cetera. When there is a proposed
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Speaker 2: out there or consideration to stop something, the letters come in, right,
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Speaker 2: the missives come in, and they can come in droves. Now,
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Speaker 2: there are two types of letters or emails that come in.
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Speaker 2: One type is the ones that are clearly manufactured. It's
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Speaker 2: the same language with someone's name on it, exactly the
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Speaker 2: same verbiage, and the legislators don't pay much attention to that.
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Speaker 2: Matter of fact, do you remember when we got in trouble, Neil,
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Speaker 2: you were here. We got in trouble and we really
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Speaker 2: offended the Arab community when we were doing that bit
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Speaker 2: about the Hajj that and legitimately offended many Muslims around
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Speaker 2: the world. It was pretty It was completely tasteless, but
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Speaker 2: it was also really offensive and it took it to
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Speaker 2: another level.
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Speaker 3: Well, I can't tell.
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Speaker 2: You how many thousands and thousands of emails KFI got
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Speaker 2: because of that. They were all exactly the same email
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Speaker 2: and we were getting them from Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Now,
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Speaker 2: in those days, there was no Internet that you could
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Speaker 2: click into or listen from Saudi Arabia to KFI. So
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Speaker 2: the general consensus is there really was no one in
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Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia or Jordan or the Emirates listening to KFI
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Speaker 2: and were somehow offended by what we said. So did
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Speaker 2: the station pay much attention? Well, certainly not to those emails,
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Speaker 2: because everybody knew that those were manufactured. Here, put your
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Speaker 2: name on it and send it on and everybody will
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Speaker 2: do that, so that one those kinds of emails don't
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Speaker 2: have a lot of oomph. Now, the ones that are
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Speaker 2: individually written, the ones that management or these entities or
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Speaker 2: KFI management I paid particular attention to, were the ones
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Speaker 2: that clearly were personal. And as a matter of fact,
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Speaker 2: the influence that even a single email had that they
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Speaker 2: knew was personally written was overwhelming that they took very seriously. Now,
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Speaker 2: I was just speaking of letters to various agencies, governmental agencies.
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Speaker 3: That make rules and control our lives.
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Speaker 2: You know, the air you know the districts, air quality
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Speaker 2: management districts, the utilities water department, partmer of water and power,
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Speaker 2: et cetera. And whenever there's a new rule, they have
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Speaker 2: to have public comments, and generally letters come in or
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Speaker 2: in this case emails now come in and they when
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Speaker 2: they all look the same, no one pays attention because
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Speaker 2: it's one or two people that are generating all of this,
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Speaker 2: and the people that quote sign these things don't really care. Now,
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Speaker 2: individual ones have a great deal of influence because the
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Speaker 2: entities pay attention. And this I've seen this firsthand with KFI.
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Speaker 2: When we say something ridiculous and we're in trouble, we're
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Speaker 2: not in trouble. The generated ones and don't pays attention.
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Speaker 2: The individual written as ones we pay attention to. So
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Speaker 2: now there was a hearing with Southern California's Air Pollution
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Speaker 2: Authority and there was a June proposal which looks like
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Speaker 2: it was going to fly to phase out gas powered appliances.
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Speaker 2: And what ended up happening. Twenty thousand public comments came
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Speaker 2: in submitted an opposition to the proposal, and they were
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Speaker 2: not individual. Although they looked individual, they were totally separate.
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Speaker 2: Twenty thousand individual looking emails email comments came in and
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Speaker 2: they were generated by a Washington, DC based company called
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Speaker 2: civi Click, which bills itself as the first and best
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Speaker 2: powered AI powered grassroots advocacy group Grassroots. And there's a
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Speaker 2: public affair consultant by named Matt Klink. He actually, well,
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Speaker 2: he's using it and created a company using it and
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Speaker 2: settling it effectively. And what they did in this case
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Speaker 2: wage opposition to this campaign, including putting.
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Speaker 3: In a sponsored article.
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Speaker 2: And now it's not clear how AI was exactly deployed
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Speaker 2: in the campaign, and officials that Civic Click wouldn't respond,
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Speaker 2: but the website boasts several tools, including quote state of
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Speaker 2: the art technology and AI messaging assistance that can be
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Speaker 2: used to create custom advocacy letters from individuals that have
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Speaker 2: a great deal of influence. But it's one company doing it.
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Speaker 2: These proposed rules were too years in the making and
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Speaker 2: would have placed a fee on gas powered water heaters
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Speaker 2: and furnaces, favoring electric ones. And this has to do with,
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Speaker 2: of course, emissions from a gas powered anything.
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Speaker 3: Whoa AI, Well, it's the.
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Speaker 2: Next step in what's called digital astrosurfing. There's a study
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Speaker 2: at the University of Pittsburgh that talks about this, and
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Speaker 2: what Clink said is in an email statement.
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Speaker 3: Of course, the.
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Speaker 2: Campaign was an important part of a larger outreach effort
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Speaker 2: that saw almost forty local governments, a twenty twenty six
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Speaker 2: Democratic gubernatorial candidate, and almost one hundred business and community
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Speaker 2: groups that oppose these regulations, all actually created by this company.
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Speaker 2: Now usually, and this is what makes it kind of interesting,
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Speaker 2: and this is where the agency sort of.
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Speaker 3: Went, huh.
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Speaker 2: Usually when they have a new proposal like this, there
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Speaker 2: may be half a dozen people that actually write in
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Speaker 2: and care. The people that really do the influencing are
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Speaker 2: lobbying groups, chambers of commerce. In this case, it was
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Speaker 2: the gas associations, the folks that sell gas, natural gas associations,
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Speaker 2: as well as the chamber of Commerce, as well as
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Speaker 2: the manufacturer of gas powered furnaces, etc. But in addition
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Speaker 2: to that, there were twenty thousand individual emails written to
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Speaker 2: the agencies. By the way they shut it down, the
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Speaker 2: proposal was gone. They succeeded.
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Speaker 3: So here's ai.
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Speaker 2: Is there anything this thing is a private email anymore
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Speaker 2: that isn't generated, You'll never know.
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Speaker 3: We'll never know.
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Speaker 2: So all the emails we get talking about how great
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Speaker 2: the show is and how handle should stay on the
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Speaker 2: show forever and should not be dumped, and I mean,
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Speaker 2: I've seen those thousands and thousands of them are coming in.
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Speaker 2: We haven't seen them yet, but they will start very shortly.
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Speaker 2: So we're done, guys. That's it, Okay, coming up Gary
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Speaker 2: and Shannon, New Time Today, nine to noon, New Show Today,
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Speaker 2: Michael Monks and Chris Merrill from twelve to three, then
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Speaker 2: John goes from three to six, and then Tim Conway
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Speaker 2: from six to ten.
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Speaker 3: Back to their old hours.
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Speaker 2: But there's an addition of the new show, so a
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Speaker 2: lot going on here at KFI. And I strongly recommend
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Speaker 2: that you listen to our new show. Okay, did I
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Speaker 2: read that correctly? I strongly, yes, I did. I strongly
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Speaker 2: recommend that you listen to our new show. We start
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Speaker 2: again tomorrow morning at five o'clock wake up call, and
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Speaker 2: that's Amy and Will and then Neil and I come
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Speaker 2: aboard till nine o'clock right about now, and then of
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Speaker 2: course we got Cono and Anne who take care of
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Speaker 2: the rest of the show show who actually do all
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Speaker 2: they heavy lifting sorta. Alright, we're done, guys, Clef, I
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Speaker 2: am six point.
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Speaker 3: You've been listening to the Bill Handle show.
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