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Jaguars Happy Hour | Biggest Question Marks Coming Out of Week 2 Loss in Denver · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Monday, September 21st.
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  Speaker 2: This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 3: Jaguars Happy Hour is brought to you by Jet Home Loans.
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  Speaker 1: And now, a gal who always believes the glass to
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  Speaker 1: be half full.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like, at least nobody's cleats got melted off.
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  Speaker 3: Kainane Stephens.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it wasn't too toasty in Denver, but unfortunately the
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars did not get a win on the road in
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  Speaker 2: week two. Welcome in. I'm Kanani Stevens. Four Jaguars happy
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  Speaker 2: hour presented by Jet Home Loans. A lot to talk
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  Speaker 2: about today. We're in the Hyundai Studios coming up. Presented
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  Speaker 2: by Deep Eddy Vodka, handcrafted with real fruit. Proud partner
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  Speaker 2: of the Jacksonville Jaguars. There was a letdown at Mile High.
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  Speaker 2: It was a game last year that we felt like
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  Speaker 2: was a statement win for this team. And we know
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  Speaker 2: they can win out there, but they weren't able to
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  Speaker 2: get it done. And a lot of it was just
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  Speaker 2: seemed like things were out of sync. Nothing quite came together.
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  Speaker 2: The first half was a little tough. And then the
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  Speaker 2: second half. They really couldn't get anything going. We will
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  Speaker 2: keep it real with you as we talk about the
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  Speaker 2: defensive substitutions and what they're kind of working at. Also,
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  Speaker 2: what's going on with Travis Hunter. And we will answer
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  Speaker 2: your fan questions because there were a lot of them
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  Speaker 2: after this game, and rightfully so. So I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: welcome in former Jaguars defensive end Austin Lane. Pete Prisco
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  Speaker 2: is with us as well, CBS senior sports writer. And
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars got out to an early lead, couldn't quite close
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  Speaker 2: things off. And Pete, what was the tape looking like
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  Speaker 2: for you? I can't imagine that was a very fun rewatch.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the offensive line had a rough go of it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, a week ago they were good. This week
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  Speaker 3: they were bad. If you had to sum that up
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  Speaker 3: as a group, they were bad. And particularly bad was
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  Speaker 3: the right guard. Ezra Cleveland was not very good. I
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  Speaker 3: thought the center was average at best. The left guard struggled,
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  Speaker 3: you know, for the first time. He made a couple
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  Speaker 3: of good blocks, but he also struggled a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: And Van Landen wasn't as good. So as a whole,
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  Speaker 3: I was disappointed in the offensive line. I think defensively,
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  Speaker 3: where is the pressure? And I know Bo Nix gets
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  Speaker 3: the ball out quick, but you got it. You got
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  Speaker 3: two high price defensive end. Those guys got to start
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  Speaker 3: getting to the quarterback and we'll talk more about that.
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  Speaker 3: But I think as a whole, a couple of things
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  Speaker 3: bother me. The offensive line bothered me. The fact that
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  Speaker 3: Tootin still doesn't get enough carries bothers me. And why,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they went to, they went to Rodriguez on
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  Speaker 3: the goal line after he ran down there. Now somebody
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  Speaker 3: had mentioned maybe there was some cramping or something, who knows,
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  Speaker 3: but but he was in the next play. And then
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  Speaker 3: the defensive line, you got to get home. You got
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  Speaker 3: to get home.
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  Speaker 2: Austin, what are the big problem areas for you?
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  Speaker 1: Well, obviously, you know, being a defensive lineman myself, that's
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  Speaker 1: where you start, right? And if you go back to
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  Speaker 1: that game, 16 of the 17 passes that Bo Nix
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  Speaker 1: threw where the Jaguars rushed four or less, that's not good.
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  Speaker 1: That's not getting home, right? And I remember in the
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  Speaker 1: past we talk about Okay, well, they didn't get interior pressure.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't get outside pressure. So you have to manufacture
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  Speaker 1: stuff with blitzes and everything. Well, going 16 for 17
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  Speaker 1: with rushing four or less, like that... And I understand, like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's not the Cleveland offensive line, right? It's not a
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  Speaker 1: makeshift offensive line featuring five new players like these Broncos
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  Speaker 1: that they played together before, right? So you expected them
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  Speaker 1: to be better. But at the same time, you have
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  Speaker 1: two bookends at your disposal in Trayvon Walker and Josh Hines-Allen, right?
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  Speaker 1: You have Eric Armstead now who... by all indications, is
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  Speaker 1: back at full strength, right? And, you know, Devon Hamilton's
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  Speaker 1: more of that run guy, but you also have the
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  Speaker 1: depth purposes where it's like you can bring guys in
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  Speaker 1: for that interior pressure as well. You didn't really see
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it yesterday, and that's where it starts.
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  Speaker 1: And listen, it's one of the most cliche things in football,
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  Speaker 1: but it's the truth. It starts in the trenches. And
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  Speaker 1: in terms of defensive line, not enough pressure. In terms
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  Speaker 1: of offensive line, in terms of running the football, I
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  Speaker 1: thought Tootin did... best with what he had right but
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  Speaker 1: i think it's really telling when we're talking about a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these runs are based off of stretches and
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  Speaker 1: tosses and quarterback options as opposed to just playing smash
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  Speaker 1: mouth football and running you know but between the tackles
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  Speaker 1: between the guards because they're not doing that and maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be a telling sign now because last
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  Speaker 1: week against cleveland they didn't really do that either so
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  Speaker 1: is that going to be an issue going forward in
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  Speaker 1: terms of getting that push getting you know enforcing your
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  Speaker 1: will if you if if you're talking about the running
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  Speaker 1: the football, or is this going to be more of
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  Speaker 1: a speed team, not necessarily a physical team where you
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  Speaker 1: got to bounce everything outside now.
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  Speaker 2: He was the run blocking as bad as the past.
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  Speaker 3: Um, no, but the past blocking had times where it
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  Speaker 3: was really bad. And I mean, it was bad. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: and here's the other thing about, you know, like, we
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  Speaker 3: got to slow down just a little bit because they
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  Speaker 3: were on the road with a 10 point lead against
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  Speaker 3: a supposed Superbowl team. You know, that they, if they
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  Speaker 3: score and make it 17, three, I think they win
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  Speaker 3: that game. But so we, we are picking them apart,
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  Speaker 3: but there's reason for it. And justifiably. So there were
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  Speaker 3: not a lot of pretty things on Sunday and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: starts with like, like Austin said, it starts in the trenches. They,
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  Speaker 3: they were beat on both, both lines. I thought on Sunday,
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  Speaker 3: And I.
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  Speaker 2: Think we are going to be critical today. It's what
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  Speaker 2: we do, but this would have been a win, even
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  Speaker 2: if they were able to get it out and grind
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  Speaker 2: out a win where we would have said they played
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  Speaker 2: badly and found a way to win. Like there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of question marks that kind of got brought up.
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  Speaker 2: And when you bring up the trenches for me, it
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  Speaker 2: flashbacked a little bit to last year, when you're looking
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  Speaker 2: at that bills game where they're getting zero pressure. And
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  Speaker 2: then the secondary starts getting exposed for explosives. When there
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  Speaker 2: was a, for whatever count used for explosives, there was
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  Speaker 2: a lot of them in this game and they were
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  Speaker 2: able to, you know, they got the interception in the
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  Speaker 2: first half where Jordan Lewis kind of makes up for
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  Speaker 2: it after there's three huge plays chunk plays in a row.
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  Speaker 2: But this is something we've seen before that they said
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  Speaker 2: they addressed, you know, they're healthy. That was, we saw,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you mentioned Eric Armstead who has a great
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  Speaker 2: training camp. And then as soon as the game start,
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  Speaker 2: you don't see much of anything. Austin is kind of
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  Speaker 2: frustrating when you feel like they said they addressed an
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  Speaker 2: issue and now it seems to be a similar issue. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And listen, it's just not just a defensive line standpoint,
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  Speaker 1: because if you look at that game yesterday, tell me like,
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  Speaker 1: who played well, like who, who really like stood out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I think you say Parker Washington, obviously
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  Speaker 1: given the targets that he had, but, and by the way,
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  Speaker 1: it's not a one, a one B one C wide
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  Speaker 1: receiver room anymore. Like, like yesterday it was evident. Like you're,
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  Speaker 1: you aren't really game planning based off who you're playing.
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  Speaker 1: Parker Washington is the one receiver. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence showed that in terms of throwing into, you know,
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  Speaker 1: coverage when it was clearly wasn't there and trying to
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  Speaker 1: force the ball to Parker. Like, Parker Washington is slowly
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  Speaker 1: becoming the true number one wide receiver. So take that
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  Speaker 1: for how you want.
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  Speaker 3: I think to, you know, well, Brian Thomas can't be
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  Speaker 3: a one by the way, Austin, Brian Thomas can't be
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  Speaker 3: a number one wide receiver because he doesn't go up
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  Speaker 3: and get the ball. He doesn't catch the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there were three, two drops and he's got it.
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  Speaker 3: And the one where he was one-on-one with Sertan, go
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  Speaker 3: over the top of them and make a play on
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  Speaker 3: the ball. You might get a pass interference. You might
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  Speaker 3: catch it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, those are two plays. This is a drop.
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  Speaker 3: That's a drop. And then he had the drop on
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  Speaker 3: the sideline. I mean, you got to catch these balls.
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  Speaker 3: That one wasn't a drop. There's a drop on the
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  Speaker 3: sideline where he drops it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel like he kind of jumps for
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  Speaker 1: no reason as well. Like, you don't have to leave
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  Speaker 1: your feet to make that play. You know, we saw
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  Speaker 1: him go out. And once again, I'm not trying to
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  Speaker 1: make up excuses, right? Because you have to catch that football.
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  Speaker 1: We saw him go out a little bit against Cleveland.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was a shoulder thing. And I think
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  Speaker 1: last year it was a shoulder thing as well. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure if it was the same shoulder or not,
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  Speaker 1: but is this starting to be a thing now where
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  Speaker 1: it's like, all right, if I have kind of a
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  Speaker 1: shoulder thing, mentally that's going to get to me a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. Now all of a sudden I'm jumping when
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't be jumping. I'm dropping balls I should be catching.
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  Speaker 1: Is this going to be an ongoing thing now, I guess?
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  Speaker 3: For their sake, they better hope not because they need him.
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  Speaker 3: And the one down the field with Sertan, that's just
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  Speaker 3: feel of the position. Like a veteran who understands that
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  Speaker 3: position goes over the top of him and tries to
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  Speaker 3: get his hands on the other side of him to
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  Speaker 3: make the play or get the call. You probably get
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  Speaker 3: the call in that situation. So that like if they're
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  Speaker 3: teaching him today, put that on and show him, you
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  Speaker 3: got to make an effort to get over the top
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  Speaker 3: of that defender, get the ball, get your hands on it.
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  Speaker 3: You probably, you might catch it or you're going to
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  Speaker 3: get an interference call. He didn't either.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Especially because we talked so much about they, they call
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  Speaker 2: PI quite a bit. We saw a PI call on
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  Speaker 2: Travis Hunter late in this game. And if you find
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  Speaker 2: a way to, you know, cause you can't catch every ball. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: that's it's Patrick Sertan. Let's not like, like there's a
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  Speaker 2: reason he's one of the best.
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  Speaker 3: Defense, but get over the top of them here.
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  Speaker 2: Like you can make it fight.
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  Speaker 3: Through him more to get your hands over the top. Look,
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  Speaker 3: fight through it, fight through it. It's not, he's reaching
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  Speaker 3: around them, go over the top of them, you know?
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  Speaker 3: And like, I think it was over the top of them.
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  Speaker 3: He catches it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm far from being like, let's find this silver
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  Speaker 1: lining in this game and everything like that because there
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  Speaker 1: is a lot to break down. There is a lot
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  Speaker 1: in terms of holding players accountable. But when you look at, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you have the drops, right? You had first and goal
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  Speaker 1: from the three that you couldn't convert. You had a
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  Speaker 1: missed field goal. You gave up a lot of explosive
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  Speaker 1: plays to Jalen Waddle. I don't think you had one
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  Speaker 1: explosive play in the second half. And you couple all
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  Speaker 1: those things, lack of pass rush. You lost to a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good Broncos team by seven points in their home.
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  Speaker 1: which is a really tough place to play. Like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if that's really a silver lining or not,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it speaks volumes in terms of how
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  Speaker 1: bad it looked. I think for the Jaguar, especially in
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  Speaker 1: that second half, how it was, you know, it was
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  Speaker 1: a battle till the end of the game.
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  Speaker 3: And here's, we got to get into the Travis Hunter
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  Speaker 3: situation too.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because there's some, I don't know what's going on there either.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about snap count splits and hockey shifts,
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  Speaker 2: as you like to say, Pete, for the second.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there was a hockey shift on the defensive line
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  Speaker 3: in the second series too, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Pete, once again, man, like the defensive line
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  Speaker 1: is one thing, but when we're hockey shifting the secondary.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what that's about.
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  Speaker 3: But Austin, they hockey shifted the defensive line after they
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  Speaker 3: were on the field for a grand total of three
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  Speaker 3: plays on the first series. Sure. All right.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at the DB snap count because
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  Speaker 2: this is one of the things that we're trying to
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  Speaker 2: kind of figure out. Obviously, the safeties are on the
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  Speaker 2: field pretty much entirely. Antonio Johnson and Eric Murray, they're
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  Speaker 2: out there pretty much 100% of the time. But Monteric Brown,
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  Speaker 2: Travis Hunter, and Jarrion Jones, it's kind of a split.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of Monterey Brown had 49. So he led. And
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  Speaker 2: then Travis Hunter had 37. Jarion Jones had 39. Travis
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  Speaker 2: Hunter played 60%.
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  Speaker 3: Where's Jordan Lewis on that?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Jordan Lewis had 32.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: 52%.
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  Speaker 2: So it's kind of those four.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the problem guys. You got a defensive back slash
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  Speaker 3: wide receiver who play, what do you play? Seven snaps
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  Speaker 3: on offense.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Sticks and a special teams.
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  Speaker 1: So the, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So the unicorn played 43 snaps out of 120. I
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  Speaker 3: think it was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So he's, he's only playing a third of the snaps.
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  Speaker 3: That isn't good enough for what you traded up to
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  Speaker 3: go get him for. He's got to be on the
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  Speaker 3: field for every snap on defense.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone.
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  Speaker 3: That's decided. I wouldn't have any rotation. Unless his knee
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  Speaker 3: is bothering him or something, it doesn't sound like it is.
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  Speaker 3: If it were, then I could understand it. But if
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  Speaker 3: he's healthy, 100% healthy, why in the hell is he
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  Speaker 3: not on the field on every snap?
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  Speaker 1: And, and I'm with you here too, Pete, because that
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland game, I guess that should have been the indicator
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  Speaker 1: because how they rotated that Cleveland game might be the
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  Speaker 1: plan going forward. And granted, they actually, they rotated last
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  Speaker 1: year with Travis Hunter, but I thought that was more
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  Speaker 1: based on like, all right, he's still learning the game, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like he, they're trying to acclimate him and everything, play
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  Speaker 1: in both ways. So like they'll, they'll bring them along accordingly.
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  Speaker 1: I think that was going to be the game plan
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  Speaker 1: and the Cleveland game. What was the blowout? Right. So, okay, let's,
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  Speaker 1: let's keep, keep guys healthy, get them ready for Denver
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  Speaker 1: and everything and rotate guys in. It was more of
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  Speaker 1: the same yesterday. And I agree with you. When you
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  Speaker 1: have a guy which I feel like is your best
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  Speaker 1: lockdown corner, and he's not out there for the meaningful
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  Speaker 1: reps when you need him out there, what's the point?
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  Speaker 1: You know, and.
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  Speaker 1: If it is an injury, which maybe they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: ease him back, but then do him a favor and
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  Speaker 1: tell everybody that's the case, right? Because right now you're
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  Speaker 1: not doing yourself any service by not saying what's going
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  Speaker 1: on with Travis Hunter. There's no gamesmanship. It's not like
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots are watching film and being like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: we got to worry about Travis Hunter. He's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: because with all due respect to Travis Hunter, he hasn't
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  Speaker 1: really done enough yet to warrant being a quote-unquote game
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  Speaker 1: breaker and an offensive coordinator. He hasn't done really anything.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's a good cover guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He's a good cover guy who hasn't really made any game,
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  Speaker 3: you know, saving plays or anything. Think about the plays
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  Speaker 3: in the first two games. Which plays, Dick, can you
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  Speaker 3: remember that he stood out on?
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  Speaker 2: Any?
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  Speaker 1: Not really.
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  Speaker 3: What's the one that stands out? The pass interference penalty. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Pete, how does he look on film when he is playing?
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  Speaker 3: He's got to be... Oh, he's a good cover guy.
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  Speaker 3: He's a naturally gifted cover player. And he's got to...
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  Speaker 3: But that's why he's got to be on the field.
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  Speaker 3: What did I say about the receivers at one point?
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  Speaker 1: I was just going to bring.
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  Speaker 3: Then we moved on to the defensive backs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That there's going to be too many.
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  Speaker 1: Mouths to feed. I was just going to bring this up.
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  Speaker 3: And eventually it's going to become a problem.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And so when you went after the game, they went
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  Speaker 3: and asked Travis about it, and he didn't say it
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  Speaker 3: was a problem, but you could kind of read between
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  Speaker 3: the lines of his answer. He wants to be on
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  Speaker 3: the field the whole time, and he should be. So
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  Speaker 3: what do you do to compensate for that? Who isn't
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  Speaker 3: on the field? That's the question. Because let's just assume
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  Speaker 3: he's on for every snap, like a real good corner
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  Speaker 3: should be. Then who comes off? Or if you want
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  Speaker 3: to rotate those guys around, rotate those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, if you want to rotate Monteiro,
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  Speaker 1: you want to rotate, you know, Lewis, you want to rotate... Jorian, Jorian. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Jorian Jones, whoever, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You want to rotate those guys, rotate those guys.
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  Speaker 1: He has to be out there at all times.
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  Speaker 3: What was Ransaw's... Ransaw didn't have any snaps on Sunday, right?
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  Speaker 1: He didn't have.
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  Speaker 2: Ransaw had seven snaps on defense. How many? And then
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: he played special teams.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: Seven.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: And then he played on special teams. Yeah.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the week before, he had like 30-something.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: This is... So... This is going to be an ongoing thing,
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: I think. It's a weird.
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: It's a weird.
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: Switching around like that to me. Hunter should be on
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: all the time. And if you want to rotate over there,
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: that's fine. And you got to remember, there's justification for
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: some of the moves. Monteric Brown got paid. He's got
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: to be on the field. They're going to keep him
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: on the field.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: I'm saying if you're not going to play.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: There were busts on Sunday.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. if you're not going to play him full time
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: on defense right now, which they're not, why can't you
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: use them on offense a little bit more is just,
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: they don't trust him. I'm confused.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Here's what I'm gonna say to that guy. If they
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: start using him more on offense and then I'm watching
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle go for a hundred plus yards, I'm going
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: to be like, Oh, okay. So you want to use
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: them as a wide receiver when you have wide receivers,
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: it seems like, but defense is getting, you know, giving
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: up the big plays and everything. Why wouldn't use them
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: full time over there? Like, I almost feel like you
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: have to walk before you can run. And right now
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: they have to walk in terms of getting him all
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: the reps on defense because he is the best cover corner.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: It just feels a bit wishy-washy.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: And when you trade up to get him, yeah, and
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: when you trade up to get him, what are they saying, guys?
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: They're saying, okay, well, we got ourselves. They said he
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: got a unicorn. He's going to change the game.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: He's going to change the game.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Well, then it went from, well, he might not play
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: as much offense, but he's going to be our shutdown corner. Well,
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: if he's your shutdown corner... he's got to be on
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: the field for every snap.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: And, and listen, and they can't have it both ways.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: And they, they haven't addressed the sports entertainment aspect.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: And yes, Travis Hunter is bringing a lot more eyes
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: that he's here in Jacksonville and it's a lot more
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: hype and all that stuff. But there's a counterbalance to that.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: When you start losing football games, like you lost in Denver,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: then people will start asking the question, well, where's Travis Hunter? Right.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: And then, He's a player. He's going to hear it, right?
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: And this is a guy who you essentially rolled out
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: the red carpet when he got here. Like, you traded
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: what you traded to get him here. You hyped up
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: and said, he's going to be the game changer. So
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: then how is he supposed to feel if he's not
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: even getting full snaps on defense? He's playing sparingly on offense. Like,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: if you're him, then how do you feel about it?
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. I think there's... I understood week
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: one maybe getting them back in, but you're on the
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: road in week two against a really good team. You've
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: got to keep them on the field the whole game,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: on defense. And if you're worried about the other guys, well,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: then they need to sort it out. If you want
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: to rotate those guys, okay. But at some point, you've
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: got to settle on three. And then if you're going
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: to play four, then they all play. But the way
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: his snap count was limited, I don't like that at all.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: His snap count should be like what Antonio Johnson's snap
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: count is.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: All right, much more to break down from this game
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: when we return. We'll talk a bit about the pass rush,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: how they couldn't get home, and also the O-line issues.
• 17:24
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• 17:37
  Speaker 6: They played complimentary enough in the first half, and that
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: was what was disappointing was the complimentary football playoff specifically
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: in the second half and as we really went into
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: the fourth quarter was when you needed a drive, right?
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: You needed a stop. You needed a catch. You needed
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: a play. We just, you know, didn't do it, right?
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: We just didn't make it. We got to go watch
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: and see how can we put these guys in a
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: better position to be successful.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: And we got to make some more plays.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Playmakers needed to make plays, didn't get what they needed.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Jaguars happy hour presented by Jet Home Loans. We're back.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Austin and Pete are here. Let's talk a little bit
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: about the offensive problems. Started with the O-line, a lot
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: of issues. Trevor Lawrence was rushed, kind of getting harassed
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: all day, and it felt pretty obvious that he wasn't
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: as confident as we've seen him as of late. And
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I believe I'd have to imagine it was some of
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the O-line getting to him. And the noise is a
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: tough environment as well. But they allowed two sacks, five
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: tackles for loss. This is a Denver defense. They had
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: seven quarterback hits, obviously an interception. Is this a blip
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: on the radar, Austin, or do you think this is
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: something we need to be concerned about Trevor regressing?
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: You know what? I'm going to call it a blip
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: on the radar and kind of a humbling, if you will,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: that offensive line. I mean, there's a reason why Denver
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: led the league in sacks last year. Right. And then
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: they return all those guys on defense. So they're a
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: great defensive line playing in a pretty hostile environment where
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: it gets loud.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: And I did like how in the beginning they came
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: out with kind of off tempo a little bit like
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: they go no huddle and then slow it down. Like
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I love anything that you can do to get a
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: defense kind of guessing on their heels. And they did
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: a great job of that for the first couple of drives.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: But yeah, the offensive line, especially in pass pro, and
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: you only give up two sacks, but the box score
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: might say a different story than the film actually says because,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: and everyone's a candidate here, right? Like Pregnan had a
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: couple rough goes. Anton Harrison got turned around on a
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: game one time and everything. Tootin trips up Anton Harrison
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: on a play. Go ahead, Pete.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I was just going to say, his one play, he
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: tripped him. I mean, it's hard to put that one
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: on Harrison, even though it goes against him. It was
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: hard to put it on him.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: But here's the other thing. Sorry, but here's the other thing.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: If you look at some of those plays, Ever Lawrence
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: made some really good throws with guys ready to blast him.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, he took, I think it was the Parker
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Washington one in the middle of the field. I think
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: he took a shot there. The interception, he certainly took,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: it was a bad, bad decision, bad throw. I think
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: he read it out where they were going to, where
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: the corner wasn't going to sink. And, but they had
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: nobody threatened the corner on that side. So it was
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: a bad play design. If you look at this, there's
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: nobody threatened in the corner. So he goes up and
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: he just stays with them. And so when that happened,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: you look at, I think on that play, if we
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: can run it again, he gets just, just blasted. I mean, just,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: I think it's the right guard does an ole. See,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: he does an ole right there.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Well, then there's another one too. Brian Thomas Jr. in
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the middle where he literally just sidestepped it and got
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: to Brian Thomas Jr. in the middle for a great
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: pass as well. Yeah.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think Trevor regressed on Sunday. I think
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: the offense regressed on Sunday. And for real, I'm going
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: to give you an example. Do you remember the play
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: where Tootin snuck out of the backfield and and it
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: was a one-man screen with Hainsey.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: And it was— Hafunga was man-to-man with Tootin. Let me tell you,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: if Hainsey can get out quicker, it's a touchdown. Everybody
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: on the defense went with the receivers who were running
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: across the field, and the only guy there was Hafunga.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: And so what happened was, is Hainsey didn't get out
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: in time, couldn't make the block— and therefore it was stuffed.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: And that to me is the little things that they
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: were missing out on on Sunday.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Is the offensive line we talked about, it's similar faces,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: but they're in new positions. Is this a group issue?
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Is this something that gets straightened out a week from now?
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Or is this going to be something we're talking about
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: for a while because they don't quite have it together
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: against better teams?
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Well, what do you want to be? That's the question
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I ask. And the reason I ask that question is
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I said before the season, I thought Hainsey was the
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: smartest center, but not the most physical center. And I
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: think Cleveland, if you want to be a big physical
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: power line, that's not who he is either. And so
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: you got to ask yourself, do you want to play
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: it safe? and play the guys who have been there
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: and maybe won't make the mental mistakes but aren't physically
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: as gifted? Or do you wanna play the guys that
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: are more physically gifted who give you a better chance
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: to road grade people at times? And that's the question
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: you gotta ask yourself. And I don't necessarily think they're
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: ready yet to make a decision, but I think those
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: decisions are coming. I said it before the season, didn't
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I tell you guys I thought Monheim would take over
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: as a starting center at some point soon? And I
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: think now the way Cleveland's played, on Sunday, you open
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: yourself up, okay, maybe not this week, but if he
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: had another game like that against New England, then I
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: think you've got to look to make it a change.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: And where's the change?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Is it Milam?
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Who's the change? That's what, you know, they've got to
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: figure that out.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: And then we saw Milam yesterday, too, playing a little
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: like of that other tight end, which I could have, well, yeah,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, he gave up the sack, but thankfully that
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: was a penalty. That was the first drive of the
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: game where he's playing like the extra tight end on
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the line, Jumbo, which Which I.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Don't figure out. You have tight ends that block like mules.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Why don't you bring him in in that scenario? Of course.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: And is anybody on Denver thinking, okay, well, Wyatt Milam's
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: in the game. Watch out for the pass. Could be
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: a play action. Like, no, nobody thought that. So let's
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: get after him and pass rush. If it's going to
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: be a run, stop the run. So I was a
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: little confused by why you plan on bringing Wyatt Milam
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: when I feel like you have an arsenal of tight
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: ends that are capable blockers. Pete, I agree with you.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I think eventually the plan will be to go more physical.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: But I also think right now with what you have,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: you go with more experience. But there are ways to
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: help out what you have and help out your quarterback.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: And I think that comes more than the play actions
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: and the boots and everything and getting Trevor moving. And
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: we really didn't see a lot of that yesterday. It's crazy.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I was watching Bo Nix, and Bo Nix is a
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: guy who kind of needed a get-right game after that
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Kansas City game. You're seeing ghosts and stuff in Kansas City.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: It wasn't great. I thought Sean Payton or whoever's calling
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the plays now, Webb, but I thought they had a
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: great game plan in terms of mixing in play action,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: mixing in, getting him on the run a little bit,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: getting him some confidence and getting him safe. And I
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: felt like Trevor was more just kind of standing back
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: there trying to diagnose as opposed to keeping the Broncos
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: defense who was coming at you on their heels.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, Trevor, if they want to run the ball,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: let's be real. Enough with the Rodriguez stuff. Come on. Seriously.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: And I said that in the preseason, and you guys
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: have taken me to task on that one. You would
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: agree with me.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: They're still sticking with.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: It, though. It's different when the other guy carries the ball.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: It is. I mean, that's evident. He should be getting
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: more carries.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: You agree?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: No.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. And listen, I was the biggest Chris
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Rodriguez proponent, I feel like, on this show. And I
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: still think he does serve a purpose in those goal
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: line situations or short yardage. But once again, to me,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: it's all about matchups and it's all about scheming. If
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I see Chris Rodriguez in the backfield, I'm not worried
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: about him going out for a passing route. And I'm
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: not even worried about him hitting the edge or like
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a toss or anything. Because number one, they haven't shown it.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: And number two, I don't think he really has the
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: speed right now to do that. So if I'm a
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: defense game planning for the Jaguars and see Chris Rodriguez, hey,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: let's bump everybody down a little bit, right? Let's get
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmage a little more. And then
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: let's take away the A gap and B gap and
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: let's see what they got. Tootin's different story.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Right, and Rodriguez, like last week, they put him in
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: the Wildcat and snapped it to him on a short yard.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: That's fine. That's what you want to do with him, fine.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: But if you're taking carries away from Tootin to give
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: him carries, I don't think that's the smart thing to do. And, okay,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: let's say when they got down on the goal line,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Tootin ran, I think he ran like for nine, six, something.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: He got him down there. And they got down there.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: And on the very first play, and we don't know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: something might have happened to him, but on the very
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: first play, he wasn't in. And what happened to Rodriguez?
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: He got stuck for a two-yard loss.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Now all of a.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Sudden you go from first and goal at the three
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: to second and goal at the five.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Was that the Laquan Allen drive too? Wasn't Laquan Allen
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: in that?
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: The first one in the third quarter?
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: You got the play-by-play right there, Kyle? What was it?
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: It was what?
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, C-Rod, right tackle, minus two.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Then it was Allen-Allen?
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: A short pass to two.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: No, then it was a swing pass to two.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: No gain.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: No gain. Then incomplete over the middle to the Quinn.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: The Quinn, which was the drop on the one yard line. Yeah.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: And would he have scored? Probably not, but it would
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: have made it for a decision. And that's the other thing.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: They would have gone for it, though. Probably.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: But does he need to run that route a little
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: deeper to get himself into the end zone and then
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: he falls in or to the goal line and then
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: falls in? Those are the little things that we talk about.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Was that the one where Was Brenton open on that one, too?
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Or was that a different, like, Quint Allen play where
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: it was like if he had looked one more over,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Brent Strange was open?
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I think that was a different one. Okay. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Because there was also, like, Brent Strange.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: No, in this one, he came back to him in
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: the middle and hit him. But again, depth-wise, he's a little...
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: You got to get into the end zone there. You
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: can't put it where you're not in the end zone.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: So I think that was an issue. The one to Tootin,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: he swung it out of the backfield. That was late, remember?
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: That wasn't a design play. He kind of panicked and
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: threw it to him, and Tootin had nowhere to go.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: There were about eight defenders over there.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: All right, fans, when the Jaguars score a field goal
• 27:45
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• 27:47
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• 27:49
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• 27:56
  Speaker 2: going to talk more about those defensive rotations, the defensive line,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: and in the secondary.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Got to finish. The team's not just going to roll
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: over for us. Got to go out there and finish
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: the team. So we didn't finish. Me personally, I got relaxed.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: The details are going.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: To be there in the second half.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Tough second half for the secondary in that matchup. Jaguars
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: fall in Denver, their first loss of the season. Let's
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: take a moment. We're going to talk about our player
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: of the game brought to you by Publix, where shopping
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: is a pleasure. I went out on a limb and
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: decided it was going to be Parker Washington because... When
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: things were good, Parker was involved, and that was early
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: on in this game. But also, when we talk about targets,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, you mentioned it earlier, Austin. Clearly, your number
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: one receiver is Parker Washington. He had 12 targets in
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: this game. But this is where my question mark comes in.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Jr. had eight targets in the game, only
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: three receptions, a couple of drops, arguably, balls he should
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: have been able to come down with. Pete, when you
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: were looking back on this– Was the defense dictating them
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: to go to BTJ or was this by design? Because
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: late in the game, when he hadn't come through, I
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: did find it interesting that kept going that way.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: No, I think he goes through his progressions and makes
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: a decision. He's not going through anybody. I don't, I don't,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: you know, he just happened to be open on some
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: of those plays, which is why he got to him.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: And I just went back and rewatched those plays we
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: were talking about on the goal line and he could
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: have gone to strange on the left side of that throw. Um,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: when he checked it down to Tootin. No, when he
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: threw it to Allen. Remember the one in the middle
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: of the field? He had him over there, but that's
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: a hard one to get to, I think. He's probably
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: the fourth progression And he wasn't pressure, but that's a
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: tough one. If you look at it, that was a
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: tough one. And then the other one on the play before,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: he could have gone when he dumped it over to Tootin,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: he could have gone to Strange on his right. He
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: ran like a little inside little route, right? And Sertan
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: was behind him. And I couldn't figure out... And this
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: is what Trevor probably looked at. Is Sertan baiting him?
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Because he wasn't covering him that closely, but it almost
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: looks like he's ready to jump the thing and go
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: the other way.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Which is fair if you try to avoid that.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: So twice he could have gone to Strange.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Strange was... I mean, there's a couple times
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: that I watched during the game where... And I was
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: surprised it didn't go more to Strange.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so when I'm looking at targets here... Parker Washington,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's arguing with that. He got 12 targets.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Jr. got eight. And then that was where
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: the drop-off is. Brent Strange got two targets. They were
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: both in the first half. And then Jacoby Myers, who
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: you're paying $ 20 million to, got one target, one huge catch,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: but one target. That's crazy to me.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: And he didn't exactly have many targets last week either.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: No, he didn't.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Remember, if he doesn't get the touchdown, he doesn't have...
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: What did he have? Two or three last week, I think?
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I mean... Yeah. And, but you only threw the ball
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: that many times. You're not going to be able to,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: you know, give everybody a ton of targets. I think,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: but strange was available in some situations.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: And once again, Pete, like, listen, I understand that Parker
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Washington right now is Trevor Lawrence's favorite receiver. Right. And
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: once again, I think the numbers prove that. And even
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and Denver kind of changed it up from last year
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: where they put that certain a little bit in zone
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: around him. Like, I mean, that's kind of the benefit
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: of playing out of the slot. Right. Is that you
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: get a free release. You can kind of scheme Parker
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: open a little more and then let him use his
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: yards after catch ability to make a play. But we
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: talked about this team is going to be. Hey, it's
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: going to be harder to defend because you have guys
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: like Myers. You have guys like strange Brian Thomas Jr.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and everything. But when you give Jacoby Myers one target,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: you get Brenton Strange two targets, defenses aren't worrying about that.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: New England's not saying, oh, we've got to stop Strange now.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: And we saw what Strange could do last year. There
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: was a time last year where Brenton Strange, before Myers
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: got there, was the security blanket. He was Trevor's go-to guy,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: it seemed like, on third down. And he's all but
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: an afterthought. If you take away that touchdown from Cleveland,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: he's almost non-existent, it seems like.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he had that catch on the sideline where
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: he had to go low to make the catch, and
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: he made a good catch. But it almost looked like,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: by the way, on one of those, I think it
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: was the Allen one, where he thought he turned and
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: hooked and thought he was open right away when he
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: didn't get the ball. It almost looked like there was
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: a little bit of frustration there for not getting the ball.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Pete's waiting for the dinner fit from somebody.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: He's waiting.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: He's looking for it.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, and by the way, the more
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I watch that, They ran like a scissors concept with
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Brian Thomas and Allen, and Allen needs to get a
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: little deeper, and he has a touchdown. I mean, I
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: see why he didn't because he saw the zone player there,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: so maybe he stopped and wanted to settle down. But
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: you've got to settle down where even if you're not
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: in the end zone, if you catch it, you fall
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: into the end zone, that kind of thing.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Were you surprised they didn't try to run it
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: a little bit more or did they? And it just
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: wasn't working because we saw that against the Chiefs were
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: able to run all over them. And I mean, maybe
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: the Broncos game plan for this. But I was surprised
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: they didn't get to a little bit more. Tootin had
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: less than he had less carries than he had the
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: week before.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: And what are the average for carry?
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Five yards.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Five yards.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: You get the ball more.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: To answer that question. I said before the game, I
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: thought it was going to be an enormous Tootin game.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: I said it on the air. I, I, you know,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I told people, I said, I think this is going
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: to be a Tootin game based on what the Broncos
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: did last week, based on how Jacksonville ran the ball
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: late in the game against Cleveland. And based on what
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: I felt Tootin could do, I thought there would be
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: home run plays. There were none. And, and I think
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: the blocking wasn't nearly as good as it was the
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: week before he, He turned some runs that should have
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: been like two, three yard runs into like six yard
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: runs with his ability to make people miss. He's running.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you. He's running a lot tougher
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: than I thought he would run. I thought this would
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: be a home run King and he's turned himself into
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: a guy that's running tough, low, good, good balance. He
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: needs to get the ball more. It needs to be him.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: And this is the thing. This is the thing, Pete,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: if you go back to Liam Cohen in Tampa, when
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: he was calling the plays. And you had Rashad White,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: who at that time was a pretty solid running back, right?
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Made a name for himself to bring in a rookie.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Bucky Irving was a later round pick, I think out
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: of Oregon or whatever. And like, it was almost a
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: running back by committee for the first couple of games.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, Bucky Irving separated himself
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: because the guy could do it all, right? And between
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: the tackles, catching the ball, he was just, he was
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: a better running back than Rashad White was. And Liam
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Cohen had no problem saying, Bucky, You're the guy going forward.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: You're the better running back. You're getting more, you know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: more carries. I feel like in the first, and it's
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: a small sample, okay. But I feel like in the
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: first two games, it's evident that Tootin in terms of
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: whether it's the yards after contact, whether it's the ability
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit in the pass game, whether it's hitting
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the ball on the outside, running the quarterback option, like
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: he's the more dynamic runner. And he's getting more yards
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: right now. Not to say that Rodriguez can't be that
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: short yardage back because he definitely can be. Not to
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: say that Abdullah can't come in every once in a
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: while and fill the role or Laquan Allen, whatever the case.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: But there has to be more, I think, now of
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Tootin getting more reps. Simply because I think he's earned it.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I think he showed it in two games.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Austin, we heard afterward.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: And again, if Hainsey gets out... Yeah. If Hainsey gets
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: out and makes that block, Tootin has a touchdown reception
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: and a touchdown run. And we're talking differently about it.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Coach Cohen spoke afterwards and he felt like he said he,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: you know, obviously had stuff to work on, but he
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: felt he felt good about his play calling in the
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: second half. And he said he didn't get comfortable to
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: try to run, run, run. And at times I felt
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: like the run would have been that's what you wanted
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: to get going. Also, when we talk about getting more
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: of the run game going in the second half, I
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: would have liked to see that. What did you feel?
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: No, absolutely. Right. And especially it's a game of explosives.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: And especially when you're on the road in a hostile environment, the,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: what you want to do is shut the crowd up. Okay.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: And that can happen with explosive plays. You know, we
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: saw a couple of times where we're tuned at the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: outside and got eight, you know, 10 yards and everything.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: And it's a first down, like that's momentum changer. In
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: the past game, you saw Trevor a little bit, you know,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: getting rushed and not having a lot of time to throw, diagnose,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: you know, who's open and everything. I mean, it wasn't
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: for a lack of effort. I felt like with running
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: the football in the second half, because they tried to
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: and not too much success, but they tried to. But
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: once again, I think this is where the play action
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: comes in a little more getting Trevor, you know, whether
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: it's a boot, whether it's just using his legs a
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: little more, but getting him some time, getting him some
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: confidence to get those explosive plays. Because to me, that
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: was the difference in the second half is Denver had
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: all the explosive play.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: The drive, the drive to, the field goal when they
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: were up 10-3 and they had settled for that field
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: goal on that whole drive. If you look at those plays,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: they did run the ball on that drive. That was textbook,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: I thought. I mean, I think Tootin had like an
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: eight-yard run.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in early, yeah. Is this the, it's
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: not the third quarter one, you're talking.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: About the second quarter?
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: The third quarter one where they ended up with, with,
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: they got down there and they put Rodriguez in and
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: he got two yard loss and then they settled for
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: the field goal. Could have got up 17, three. And
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: if they go up 17, three, I think that game's over.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: That might've been game.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Agreed.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: So there's a bunch of toot and runs. I mean,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: early on, he had the 16 yard, right to the right,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: then up the middle for 11. See Rod had a
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: carry later in later on.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Two, three.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Then 2-9, 1-9. Yeah, so I agree with you. And
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: that's at a point where they still have a good
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: chunk lead. And then after that, it felt like pressure
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: was on them more, which was interesting because you're up
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: at that point. And it felt like they almost felt
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: more pressure.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, here's the other thing. Mr. Big Poe
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: has to make his field goal.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, simple as that.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: You sit there and you talk about how great his
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: leg is. Oh, my God, he can make it. If
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: they get across the 50, he's going to kick a 70-yarder.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: What was it, 54? So that means that in the
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: last two big games that they've played.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: In a pressure moment, yeah.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: The Golden Toe has missed two important field.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Goals, right? Yeah, that's two fine house subs right there, Kai.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Sad, sad things. It's mental though, right? Because obviously we
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: know he has the ability. It's just, is it the
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: pressure getting to him?
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, he has the ability. I mean, you got
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: to make a, what was it, 54 yards? Is that
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: what it was?
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it was 54.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: And so if it's 54 in altitude, that's a chip
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: shot for that guy.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Make the kick. And against Buffalo, remember he missed a
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: kick at the end of the half. Was it at
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: the end of the half against Buffalo?
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Make your kicks.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: The comedy of errors late in that game. And when
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: we talk about explosives, we'll break down exactly the... cornerback situation,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: what we would like to see going forward. But when
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: we come back after this break, we're going to talk
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: about the week three matchup against the Patriots because they're
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: going to be coming in at one and one as well.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: And that game just became a lot more important. So
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• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Welcome back into Jaguars Happy Hour. We've been talking about
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: that disappointing loss to the Broncos, but now we're going
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: to look ahead just a bit because the Jaguars are
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: back in Jacksonville. Their final home game here in Jacksonville for,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I think, five or six weeks. And it's against the Patriots,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: who looked bad as bad could be in the opening game,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: but came back around. Their defense is still very talented, Pete.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: The offense comes and goes, but this is not a
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: game that should be taken lightly either because another AFC matchup,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, the AFC defending champs is what it is.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: The Jags need this win as much as the Patriots do.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, there's no question. And look, they're struggling on offense.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that. You look at Drake May,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: and he's got four picks and one touchdown. He just
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: doesn't look comfortable playing. And I think that's something to
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: keep an eye on this game. But defensively, you mentioned it.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: They're good. You know, their guys up front are good
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: physical players. The cover guys are good on the back end.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: It's going to be a challenge against that defense. Offensively,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: I think they're a little limited. Like you saw Travion
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Henderson rip one off yesterday, a long run. He's got
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: the juice. And I think he's going to start getting
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: more and more carry. So I think it's going to
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: be a challenge for the offense to get back into
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: any sort of rhythm offensively. against a good Patriots defense.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: So we'll know more about them against that team, but
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: we'll also know more about them in the next two
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: weeks because then they go to Cincinnati, who's got a
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: good team too. So Jacksonville, I'm not going to say
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: it's a must win, but it almost is. I mean, okay,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: the division doesn't have a lot of good teams in
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: it right now. Everybody else is 0-2, but you have
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: to win this game, particularly with going out on the
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: road against Cincinnati next week.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and listen, You know, we're going into
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: week three, and this is a marathon, not a sprint.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: But I think if you talk about the identity of
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: this team and what we've seen so far.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Said Coach Austin Lane, by the way. You sound like
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: a coach when.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: You say that. Come on, I'm being real. We have
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: a lot more episodes of this show coming out down
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the line.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: There are many weeks.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's many weeks. But at the same time, the thing,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: the identity about this team is that they've showed it.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: When they've had, they've kind of laid an egg. When
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: they kind of got dominated in the trenches, when you
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: kind of question some decisions, they always found a way
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: to respond, at least last year. Right? Why should this
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: be any different? Right? And this to me is a
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: barely telling game because if they come out here and
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason the Patriots win this game, then you're
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: going to start questioning, okay, well now your identity is
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: starting to lack a little bit because you didn't really
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: learn much from Denver. what are you guys doing? Now
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: you have Cincinnati coming up. Like, so I'm looking for
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: this team to rebound because that's what they do. Pete,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: when they, when they have adversity, they've done a great
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: job of rebounding. If they can't rebound, then to me,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: it's going to be very telling. Like I'm not panicking
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: yet or the Broncos game, but I will start to go. Oh,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: if it looks bad against the Patriots. Yes.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: If they look bad against Patriots and somehow lose that game,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: then you got to put the panic meter up a
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: little bit because then, then you start, because I thought
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: they would win at Denver and, But losing at Denver
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: and the way they did, it's not that big a deal.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: But losing at home to the Patriots will be. Even
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: though they were defending AFC champions and all that, they're
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: not a great team right now, and they're not playing
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: with A.J. Brown, and they also lost their best offensive
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: lineman on Sunday with a fractured lower leg, Michael Onwenu,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: the right guard. That's a damning blow for that offense
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: as well. So this is a game you're supposed to win.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: But guys have to play and make plays. The count-ons,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I call them the count-ons because every team has the count,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: the guys you count on every week. Travis Hunter, you're
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: one of them. Go make a play that we remember.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Trayvon Walker, who was really good a week ago, wasn't
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: as good on Sunday. Josh Hines-Allen didn't scratch the stat sheet,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I don't think, or he didn't get any pressures. He's
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: got to be better. And so the count-ons have to
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: make big plays. And I think that particularly on defense,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: it's time for those guys to start making big plays.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Let's bring some perspective in this. We're going to ask
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: co-pilot a question brought to you by Microsoft. So as
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: a good point you made, Austin, about responding to adversity,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: when was the last time the Jacksonville Jaguars lost a
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: regular season game before yesterday's loss to Denver? And the
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: last time was that loss in Houston back in November
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: because they ripped.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Off all those wins in a row.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, he did. That huge comeback win in the second
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: half at Houston, they responded that next week was the
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Chargers game, and we all remember that one because that
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: was dominant. And so this is an opportunity for them
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: to come back. And they've responded from some of their losses,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: like the L.A. Rams loss. They've responded well when challenged.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: I think that Texans game was a big moment for
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: them last season, and this is another opportunity. But as
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Pete mentioned... Drake May has struggled because he's been pressured.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: You're going to need to put pressure on him, which
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: we did not see this week.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Josh Heinz Allen's been a really good player,
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: and I thought both he and Trayvon Walker were outstanding
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: in week one. But you go play a big game
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: in Denver, and McGlinchey's a good tackle, not a great one.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: The left tackle, Garrett Bowles, is a great one. And so, okay.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: He got shut out. You got shut out. That's what,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: that's what happened. You get a good left tackle handled
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Josh Heinz Allen. That that's what happened. So now, and
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: I knowing Josh, the way he is, he'll respond to
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: that and come back, but he wasn't, he was not
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: a factor on Sunday. He just wasn't. And he's gotta
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: be at least in the passing game. I mean, he's always,
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: those two are always going to be good in the
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: run game. Always.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And what did I say? 37 sacks between the
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: two this year. Is that what it was last week?
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I have it written down. I'll have to go with it.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: No, I think it was 20. I think it was 26.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: You said 27.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was joking. He gave it
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: to 27. Okay, well, let me go. This is a sprint,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: not a marathon. So I'm going to need three sacks apiece.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Not three.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: It's a sprint.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: One game at a time, one play at a time.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Throw the kitchen sink at him in New England. Like,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: this is win or it's over, right? It is now
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: a sprint.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: It might be a feast or famine situation. We need
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: to at least get some big games in here to
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: get your numbers up.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: When my commentary's on the line, yeah, it's a sprint.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what you can have is a team that went
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: into Denver, and you could see it early in that game,
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: with a ton of confidence, now starting to doubt themselves.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Because when they doubt themselves, that always comes back and
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: bites them in the behind. I think the swagger... that
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: was there in the first couple series and a half
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: of that game, when it went away, you hope that
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: doesn't carry over because there were a lot of guys
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: looking around.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: And a lot of secondary players looking around. And so
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: I think that's always concerning as well. So you got
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: to hope that somehow, and this is going to challenge
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Liam Cohn this week because his team thought they were
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: really good. Yep. played pretty good for two and a
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: half quarters, and then it kind of went away. And
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: so now you've got to challenge them to get back
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: to where you think you were because they were confident.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: I don't care what anybody said. Didn't you sense the
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: confidence from them all summer? They thought they were good.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: You spot in the Browns game, too. By the way, Browns,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: maybe not a bad team. Just beat Tampa.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Not looking too bad. We've got a lot more to
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: talk about. We're going to be back in a minute
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: on the second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Those are all critical plays, you know?
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: I mean, when you're struggling specifically to create and, and
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: make a play. We need some, you know, some of
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: our guys to step up and I got to be
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: better in terms of putting them in a better.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: Position to be successful as well.
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: It just felt like we were a little off sync
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: in this, you know, a little out of sync in
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: the second half in terms of like just the ball
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: getting on, you know, maybe it was on the outcut,
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: like where it's on them a little quick or we
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: didn't see it, whatever it is.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: So maybe some of the rush was getting to us.
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: And the ball is having to come out a little
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: bit earlier and, We just weren't in sync enough, especially
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: in the second half.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Jaguars are going to try to get back in sync
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: for week three. Welcome into the second hour of Jaguars
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Happy Hour, presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings, before the game,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: after the game, and during the game. With Austin Lane
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: and Pete Prisco. Let's start with our opening drive, presented
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: to you by Target Zero. Let's get everyone home safely.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: So the Jaguars got out to an early lead in Denver,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: but they were unable to hold on. The Broncos battling
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: their way back into the game. But as we mentioned,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: it just felt like they didn't really quite have it together.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: They were able to get up early, but didn't look clean.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Didn't look the way that we've seen this offense particularly look.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: And.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Overall, it was just probably a frustrating day for I
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: imagine most players. I singled out Parker Washington having a
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: decent day. I'm sure he was frustrated as well because
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: they were really kind of hammering in on him after
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: he had that breakout game against the Broncos last season.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: And just I wasn't good enough to get it done, Austin,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: especially on the road in a tough environment.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not good enough to get it done. And
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: the biggest thing when you play in that type of
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: environment is taking the crowd out of it. And I
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: thought they got up to a great lead in the beginning,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: and then they couldn't maintain it. And once you let
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: that momentum start building back up and that crowd starts
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: screaming a little more, because i was there last year
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: and i never got to play in denver um i
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: played against denver but never got to actually play in
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: mile high and i was really surprised like how loud
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: it actually gets there right like i was i would
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: put it top three i put it up there the
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: kansas city um and seattle so When the crowd gets
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: taken out of it, that's everything. I remember this is
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: coach speak as well, but once you have your foot
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: on the throat, push down and step on it. That's aggressive,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: but that's how coaches speak sometimes. Unfortunately, they let him
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: off the hook a little bit, let him cut back
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: into the game, and then obviously the momentum shifted way
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: too much. They couldn't get it back.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: At any point in that rewatch, did you feel like
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: there was a point where they could have taken it over?
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Was it that not getting that touchdown right there on
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: that first possession in the third quarter? Was there something
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: where you're like, if this was the switch, they would
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: have been able to hold on and get a win?
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Or was it inevitable because it was kind of falling apart?
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I can't hear you, Pete. We'll have to get you
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: back in here. I don't know if Pete has all
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: the answers. That was a little bit of a tough
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: watch for sure. I guess for me, I have a
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: ton of confidence in how well they've been playing. Feels
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: like they weren't making a ton of mistakes. Obviously, you
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: lose in the playoff game to the Bills, but you
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: come out against Cleveland, you do what needs to be done. Arguments,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: they're not the best team in the world, but they
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: still find a way to get that done. Does this
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: give you some more question marks, or do you just
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: feel like this was an off week?
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, it definitely gives you question marks, right?
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Because can the offensive line hold up now? You're facing
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: off against a great Patriots defense that can get after
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: the quarterback a little bit, that has a head coach
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: with a great defensive philosophy that they know how to
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: get the job done. And I get it right now
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: on paper. they don't scare you on offense, right? Like,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: they have Romeo Dobbs who, you know, that they gave
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: a little money to. He's going to kind of fulfill.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: And now I feel like in that wide receiver one,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: they have a great play caller, McDaniels, that you have
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: to respect, right? But their offense doesn't scare you. But
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: at the same time, like... I went into Denver thinking, well,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: does Denver really scare me right now? Does J.K. Dobbins
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: really scare me? Does a two-target against Kansas City, Jalen Waddell,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: really scare me at the moment? So you can't take
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: that Patriots offense lightly. You have to be on your
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: P's and Q's. You have to do your job. And
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: if they can do their job and it's not so
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: much of looking around and wondering, you know, no one's
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: on the same page, it'll be fine. But if it's
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: more of... Guys not in the proper coverage, guys getting
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: confused and everything. Well, that's when those explosive plays can happen.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who they're throwing the ball.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: To.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: I think you can hear me now, right?
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: I was saying they actually had an end zone interception
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: and a really good goal line stand to keep themselves
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: in charge of that game.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: And you know, when you do that, usually you find
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: a way to turn that into points and go down
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: the field and take them the house out of it. And,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: and they didn't. And so that's the disappointing part of
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: it because this goal line stand was, I mean, there
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: was some good plays made by guys on this, on
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: this goal line stand that Armstead made the initial play there.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: And then, then the rap by he didn't actually wrap him, but,
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: but Miller makes a play and then Walker ends up
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: taking him down. But that's a, a great goal line
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: stand for them. And then you had the end zone
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: interception on a terrible throw by, by Knicks, but you,
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: you made the play what he had. And this thing
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: was a disaster for them.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't really get that one.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, they moved. I thought they moved by the way,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: and they didn't get called for it. Then the pitch
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: is behind them. They're waiting there. By the way, the
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: one guy that actually played really well on defense was Gardeck.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: He was the.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Only one really showed up.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: He was good, but there was that one run with
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Dobbins where, and I don't know what the coverage was
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: in his backend, but it seemed like he kind of
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: got off his, his line a little bit. And he
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: actually gave up a pretty explosive run if I'm not mistaken,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: but once again, I don't know if it was his
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: job or not.
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: I know what you're talking about, but for the most part,
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: he played pretty good football and kind of got some
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: pressure on the quarterback.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: A little bit. Oh, almost got that.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: We can run that. And, If we can run that
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: end zone interception again, that interception again, the one where
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: you can see him throwing it to the back. Look
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: how wide open the guy underneath is for a touchdown.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're Bo Nix and you can see it,
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: keep it running because the next one you can really
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: see it. Watch the guy underneath. Waddle.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, he walked in.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: And it was also like backpedaling.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: That's another play where it's a bad coverage too. They
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: busted the coverage on there because Waddle's standing by himself
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: on a walk-in. They have too many of those on Sunday.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially the guy I feel like you have
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: to account for more than anything was Jalen Waddle.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, Nix has to throw it to Waddle and
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: it's a touchdown.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Is Travis Hunter capable of just shadowing the best wide
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: receiver they go up against? Why don't they do that
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: with him?
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, and I think part of the reason is the
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: structure of defense they play, they don't necessarily want to
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: do that. They like playing and showing match zone. And
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: so if he goes with a guy, you know, he's
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: not matching up with anybody. He's covering them. And I
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: think that's been the biggest adjustment for Travis Hunter, by
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: the way. Adjusting to playing... zones and match zones and
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: not just lining up and playing man to man on,
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: on the, on a receiver because you can't, nobody does
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: that anymore, by the way, nobody, I don't, you know,
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: they talk about Gonzalez. It was a great corner or,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: you know, Sertan didn't do it on Sunday.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: No, he didn't.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: He didn't do that. He didn't do that.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Who was, who was on one of that one? Was
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: it Lewis that got kind of got burnt a little bit?
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He fell down.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, well, that's a man. cover situation that
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: didn't work out well, but Lewis isn't a man guy.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: He didn't do it as much as you thought. The
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: old days of lining up a guy and wherever he
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: goes on the field, you stay with him. I think
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: those are done. You don't see people doing.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: More side of the field now and everything. Yeah.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: So I think Hunter could do it. What he can do.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: When he comes out there and there's a man over there,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: you could man up with him and play different coverages
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: on the other side to kind of compensate for that.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Because he's more than capable. Or at least you would
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: hope you didn't do that with Monteric Brown. Monteric is
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: good in zone. He's good in zone. He can come
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: up and he can tackle and he plays off. He's physical.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: He can do that stuff. That's not what he does.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: So if you're going to do it with one of them,
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: you can do it with him.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Well, and there's a reason why.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: So go ahead, Pete. Sorry. No, no.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: I was just going to say, I don't think, I
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: don't think you can do it every play anymore. It
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: just is. Or even if he, well, he's only played
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: 37 snaps. So if he played man, he probably only
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: played 12 snaps and man coverage the way they play them.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And there's a reason why they traded Tyson Campbell
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: away when they did, because he was more of a
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: man guy and they got in return and was Newsome.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: He's more of a zone guy. Now it didn't work
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: out here or whatever, but like, correct. They do want
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: to play zone, but I will say this though. I've
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: seen everything I need to see from Travis Hunter to go.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: If you want to put them on, you know, New
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: England's best receiver is probably going to be Dobbs. I mean,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Holland's is okay, but I think Dobbs is probably the
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: best guy. then do it. Because I've seen him run
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: step for step with Xavier Worthy on Monday Night Football.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I've seen him clamp down Travis Kelsey on Monday Night Football.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: So I think he's capable of doing it. Now, does
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: it fit in the confines of your scheme and everything?
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's another question. But when you have a
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: true number one receiver like you had with Waddle, I
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: would have at least tried to say, hey, all right,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: young guy, you want to go see if you can
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: cover him? Go cover him. Because it couldn't have really
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: been any worse, man. Jalen Waddle feasted yesterday.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: He really did. I mean, again, there were a lot
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: of busts. Guys, you know, the play at the end
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: kind of iced the game. They busted that. I mean,
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: you can't bust that in that scenario.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Liam Cohen talked today on Zoom, and he was talking about,
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: you know, asked about the kind of split between the cornerbacks,
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: and he said that's by design. That's how they operated
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: last year. In my memory, it was because there was
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: injuries last year. There were some rotations, but I don't
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: know how entirely– Pete, do you remember what the rotations
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: were on? I feel like it wasn't quite like that
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: last year.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: No, it was not quite like that because I don't
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: think they had the guys to be able to rotate
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Remember?
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: Because it was the corners. Once Hunter went down, the
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: corners were Jarrion Jones, Monteric Brown, and who was, oh,
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: what's it?
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Newsome. Newsome, yeah.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: That's who played the corners because Jordan Lewis was hurt.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: So they're not, here's the other part of that. You
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: can say, well, you want, we did it last year.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: We're going to rotate guys. You didn't trade up to
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: the number two pick to go get Travis Hunter either
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: for a rotational guy.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: He's the guy. And that's what I mentioned in the
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  Speaker 1: start of the show off.
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  Speaker 3: No, go ahead. Make, make up the guy. He's the guy. Yeah.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: And that's what I mentioned to start the show off
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: where it was like, I thought the whole rotation thing
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: was more predicated off of like easing Travis Hunter into
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: being a wide receiver and a cornerback. So you weren't
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: going to play him 100% on defense. You're going to
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: play him a little more on offense as well. That's
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: where the rotation came in, which would make a little
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: more sense. Now you're talking about, okay, well, he's primarily,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, he is a cornerback first, and they're going
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: to sprinkle on every once in a while some wide
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: receiver reps. If that's the case, then play him. Like
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Pete said, I mean, you sacrificed how much to get him. Like,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: how many first-rounders in general are you going to say, okay, well,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: we're going to rotate him in, ease him along, but
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: then nevertheless, how many first-rounders they give him another first-round
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: pick for... Are you going to say, okay, we're going
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: to rotate him in and bring him along? Now, once again,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: if it's an injury thing, if you're worried about him
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: getting hurt or any setbacks, then say it. Because then
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: you're doing him a favor. You're doing your team a favor.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: You're doing everybody else a favor because we're not going
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: to question it. But until we know, we're not going
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: to question it.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: But is it gamesmanship of saying, I'm not going to
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: say it because I don't care what other people think
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  Speaker 2: about it?
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but here's the other part of it. If he's hurt,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: not hurt, but if you're being cautious of overusing him,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: coming off the leg, then that's smart, A, but you
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: need to say it. If you're not doing that, you're
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: doing the kid a disservice, and you're opening yourself up
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: to criticism by the fact that you're not playing him
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: all those plays after trading for him and calling him
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: the unicorn and how he's going to change the game.
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  Speaker 3: So you can't have it both ways. So I think
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: he needs to play every step. How many snaps is
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Sertan play on Sunday?
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  Speaker 2: That's what you got to look at. Because if he's
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: going to be Sertan, Stingley.
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  Speaker 3: Gonzalez, he's got to play every play. And that's what
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Pat Sertan and Riley Moss, 59 to 58. Like that's
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: where your corners do. If you fully feel like those
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: are your guys. We have discussed a lot. We're going
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: to return, take a break real quick. We're going to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: keep it real about the offense. Target splits and what
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  Speaker 2: as we always do, to keep it real. Brought to
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  Speaker 2: we're going to keep it real about the target share
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  Speaker 2: on offense. I don't think anybody has a problem with
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Parker Washington getting 12 targets, but Brian Thomas Jr. got
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: 8 targets and only came down with a couple of catches.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: So for me, is that reasonable to keep it that
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: way going forward? Can we get Travis Hunter involved here somehow.
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  Speaker 2: He likes to go up, but he likes to go
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: up for jump balls. So some of those balls, I
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: feel like Travis Hunter would have loved. Is there a
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: way to work this out going forward? P or is
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: this just what it's going to be on offense for
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  Speaker 2: the foreseeable future for Travis Hunter and targets for BTJ?
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  Speaker 3: No, I think they're going to look. Ideally you'd like
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: to spread the ball around, but if Parker Washington's open,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: you go to, I mean, seven of 12 is pretty
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: darn good. They do need to get strange, more involved.
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  Speaker 3: I think in the passing game, And get Travis Hunter
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  Speaker 3: on something other than a jet sweep or a bubble screen.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if we go back to the Rams game
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: a year ago, That was his coming out party as
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: a wide receiver and he had a touchdown on a
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  Speaker 3: deep over route. Get him some of those down the field.
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  Speaker 3: If you're not gonna play him every snap on defense,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: get him involved in the offense because he's a great
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: route runner, he's smart, he's fast, so use him. That's
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: not to discount what everybody else is doing because I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: still think the other guys are good players. It's hard
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: to throw when you got guys in your face and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: you're getting hit. It's hard to do that. So that's
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  Speaker 3: the difference. If you really want to look at the
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: difference of a week ago to now, it's definitely the protection.
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  Speaker 3: And when you don't have protection, it's hard to spread
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  Speaker 3: the ball around because you can't get to one, two,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: three check down. You're getting the one, two whack right
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  Speaker 3: in the face. And so that's the biggest difference.
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  Speaker 1: Pete, let me ask you this. Who would you want
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  Speaker 1: to see get more reps and targets in the weeks
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  Speaker 1: to come? Travis Hunter or Josh Cameron?
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  Speaker 3: Travis Hunter.
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  Speaker 1: Travis Hunter. Just simply because he's more of an explosive playmaker,
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  Speaker 1: you think?
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  Speaker 3: He's explosive. Why not put another explosive body on the
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: field more than just be a decoy or a gimmick?
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  Speaker 3: Because that's kind of what he's been this year. Not
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: last year, this year.
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  Speaker 1: Think about it.
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  Speaker 3: He ran the jet suite. You ran one bubble screen
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  Speaker 3: to him on the left. Then you came back and
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: faked the bubble screen and got a touchdown because Trevor
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: read it and went to the middle of the field.
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  Speaker 3: But what did he do as a receiver yesterday?
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  Speaker 2: They tried to use him as a decoy, which is
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: interesting because they don't throw it to him, so he's
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: not going to be able to be a decoy much
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  Speaker 2: more because people are going to know he's just there
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  Speaker 2: to be a decoy.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's coming, though. I think he's going to have,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know when it's coming, he's going to start
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  Speaker 3: having those big plays on offense when they get him
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  Speaker 3: down the field a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: That's a marathon.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, but if he's on the field, you guys agree
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  Speaker 3: with this, if he's on the field making plays in
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  Speaker 3: the passing game, then the kickdown is somebody else isn't.
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  Speaker 1: Correct.
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  Speaker 3: And so who is it? Jacoby Myers hasn't had a
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  Speaker 3: lot of targets.
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  Speaker 2: But for me, if you're going to have Travis Hunter on.
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  Speaker 3: Three or four in the whole year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's going to block at least. There's options
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  Speaker 2: with Jacoby.
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  Speaker 3: You don't pay a guy $ 20- something million to block.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying he needs to block. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 2: if you're going to Travis Hunter and who else is
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  Speaker 2: going to be on the field, I can't have him
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  Speaker 2: and Brian on at the same time a ton.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the thing, Pete. When Jacoby Myers' number has
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: got called and it hasn't been a lot granted, has
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  Speaker 1: he given you a reason not to trust him?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Has Brian Thomas Jr.
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  Speaker 3: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, has Brian Thomas Jr.
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  Speaker 3: Hmm. So he got to catch the ball.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm saying. So if that's the conversation
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  Speaker 1: we're having and we're and you're saying you want to
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  Speaker 1: see Josh Cameron and I understand it because it's the
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  Speaker 1: speed of Travis Hunter. It's the it's the playability of
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Travis Hunter. OK, then, you know, do you kind of
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: have to go, all right, Brian, like. we gotta be
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  Speaker 1: able to trust him, man. And, and right now, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's been a couple of balls that have come your
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: way that you haven't locked in and maybe it is
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: the shoulder thing. Maybe you, I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Do you explore IR if it's really that much of
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: an issue? I'm not sure, but I don't want to
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: see a repeat of last season where it's like game
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: by game. There's like, okay, well, can we throw it
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  Speaker 1: to Brian Thomas jr. Or is it going to be
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: a bobble or something like that? Like, I don't want
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: to repeat that again.
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  Speaker 3: But he did have that shot in the middle of
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  Speaker 3: the field early in the game.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, but again, he, he's the big go down the
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  Speaker 3: field threat on that passing game. That's who he is.
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  Speaker 3: So he almost has to be on the field.
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  Speaker 1: But Pete, can Travis Hunter be that guy?
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  Speaker 3: He can be a down the field threat. He's not
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  Speaker 3: the big body guy though.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: But again, if you have a big body guy who
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  Speaker 3: doesn't jump over the defensive back to make a play,
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  Speaker 3: what's the point of having a big body guy like that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Good point.
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  Speaker 2: Point made. Is there a way? I feel like this
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  Speaker 2: team operates best when they do spread the ball around
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  Speaker 2: and maybe this is what the defense is dictating. He
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: was getting rushed. Trevor was going where he saw a
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: player that he recognized was on his team. And maybe
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: that's what happened in this game. Does Liam Cohen have
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: to try to get more creative to spread the ball around?
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  Speaker 2: Because this doesn't feel like. a way for them to
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  Speaker 2: be successful they're not built to just go to one
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  Speaker 2: guy they're built to spread it around and then taking
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: away people that you're finding success with it's easy listen
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  Speaker 2: I'm under morning quarterbacking of course but when you're seeing
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  Speaker 2: what Brent Strange was able to do you see Jacoby
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Myers has sure hands comes down with the football it
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: feels like you got to dial some stuff up for
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: them is it just not going that way because of
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: the pressure on Trevor.
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  Speaker 3: Lawrence Well, a week ago, he threw, what, four touchdown passes?
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  Speaker 2: Four different guys.
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  Speaker 3: Was that two? Four different guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So he was spreading the ball around, and he spread
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: the ball around because his offensive line protected him. And
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: you just go back to the Brenton Strange touchdown a
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: week ago. It was a fake bubble screen. The idea
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: is they hit the wheel down the sideline, which they've
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: hit before for a big play. It was covered. He
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: comes back into the middle and hits Strange. That takes time. Well,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: he didn't have the time for that on Sunday, right?
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  Speaker 3: And that's the biggest difference. So I think, and I'm
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: as guilty as anybody. We have a tendency to overreact
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: on one game. After four games, we'll have a better
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: idea where they are. I always say heading into October,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: that's when you get an idea. But you're right, though.
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  Speaker 3: They need to spread the ball out more. Parker Washington
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  Speaker 3: is the number one target. We get that. But it
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be 12-1 for Jacoby if he's on the field
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  Speaker 3: that much. It should be 12 and four. You know,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: he's got to get his targets too. Brett and strange
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: needs to get his targets. And, and so that's where
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: the chat, it goes back to that conversation I had
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  Speaker 3: with Liam Cohn in the, in the spring, I said,
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  Speaker 3: you're going to have a problem spreading the ball around
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: to all your guys. And he says, it's a pleasant problem. Well,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: it wasn't a pleasant problem on Sunday. It was a,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: they didn't get the, they didn't spread it around. They
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  Speaker 3: went to Parker Washington.
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  Speaker 1: And also to kind of piggyback off what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: I do think when there's a lot of pressure, and
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: you're a quarterback, I think when you're under duress, you
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: look for the guy that you trust the most. And
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: I think you've seen it in training camp. You saw
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: it against Cleveland. That guy is Parker Washington. We can
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: sit here and say it's wide receiver A, B, C, 1, 2. No,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Parker Washington's the guy. If I'm New England, and I
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: get Belichick's not there anymore, so it's different now, but
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: back in the day, if I'm trying to game plan
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: and take one guy out of a game, I'm Bill Belichick,
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  Speaker 1: it's Parker Washington. Like, I'm doing everything in my power
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: to say he can't. beat us. And I'm saying, okay,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: I guess we got to sacrifice stuff on the back
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: end for Brian Thomas Jr. My other big day. That's fine.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I'll live with it. But I can't live with Parker
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  Speaker 1: Washington having, you know, eight or nine receptions for a
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: hundred something yards. Like he can't beat you.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the other part of this. When the defense is
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: getting pressure with four guys rushing the passer, They don't
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: have to blitz. And so teams that blitz a lot
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: of times, not as much as in the old days,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: but you play a man behind it, you turn your
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: back and you play man to man. Well, when you
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: play man to man, you turn your back, screens against
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: a blitzing team, you just throw them over the top,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: let them in and go out on the field, you're
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: going to get big plays out of that. Did you
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: see any screens thrown on Sunday? Other than the one
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: where it was a one-man screen with Hainsey trying to
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: get out, which.
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  Speaker 1: Would have been a bit.
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  Speaker 3: I love the play design, by the way. I'm going
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: to give him props for that play. That was a
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: great play. It should have been a house call. Hainsey
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: just couldn't get out in time to make the block.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: But other than that, did you see any screens to
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  Speaker 3: toot into the backs out of the backfield?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Because they didn't need to. It's hard to screen a
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: team that rushes four guys when everybody's got their eyes
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: on you, looking at you to kind of play you
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: that way. So that's something else. If you want to
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: get into that stuff, you better protect the four-man rush.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: You can't allow that four-man rush to impact the game
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: like it did on Sunday. Otherwise, it limits what you
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: can do on offense.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Is the offensive line issue... Are we overreacting to a
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: one-week issue against a really great defense, or is this something...
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: where we should be concerned. I know we talked about
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: maybe later in the season, they get some of the
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: younger guys in there. I'm curious if how concerned, cause
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: the Patriots defense is really good. And, and that's, you know,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: that's what carried them in the post season last year.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: And Mike Rabel knows how to scheme some stuff up
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: as we've seen throughout the years. Jaguars fans are well aware.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: So that's where my concern is next week is trying
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: to handle that defense after what I saw out of
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: the offensive line this week.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Well, and here's the biggest concern about it, too, is
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: Zach Allen destroys a lot of people. He destroyed everybody.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, whoever he was matched up against, he beat
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: in the daylights. And he's done that to everybody over
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: the years. He's a great player. Well, where's the strength
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: of the New England defense? The interior. So we're going
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: back to the conversation we had to open the show.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: Who's got to play better? Hainsey? Cleveland and pregnant. They
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: gotta be better. They gotta be stout. They gotta be
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: able to handle those guys. And so, yeah. And if
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: they don't, if they don't this week, you, you need
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: to make change up there. You need to, you need
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: to get bigger and stronger and more powerful. If you
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: can't handle that up front.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: Is that just at center P or is that more
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: than one change you want to see?
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, right.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: Guard to right. Guard to. I mean, the right guard
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: was the worst lineman on the field on Sunday, I thought,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: for them. Ezra Cleveland was the worst. Hainty was probably second.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: Pregnon was third. Van Landen was fourth. And Harrison was fifth.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: That's how I would rank them. And by the way,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: not a one of them were a gold star. I
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: can promise you that. So, and Van Landen was much
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: worse than he was a week ago. And so was Harrison. So, yeah,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: if you have a problem with Cleveland again this week,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: Then you've got to change there, too.
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  Speaker 2: All right. When we come back, we're going to answer
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  Speaker 2: your fan questions. There were a lot of them. This
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  Speaker 2: is Jaguars Happy Hour presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings.
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  Speaker 1: Snap to Basial Tootin. Runs to the right. Tries to
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  Speaker 1: get the edge. Can he get the edge? He's into
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  Speaker 1: the end zone. Touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: A one-yard touchdown run for Basial Tootin. And Jackson Val
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  Speaker 3: strikes first.
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  Speaker 2: That's Frank Frangie with the call of the game presented
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: by Coil Fence. It's 1927. We've been around the block
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  Speaker 2: and fenced it too. First touchdown of the game for
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  Speaker 2: the Jaguars and touchdown of the game for the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: A tough one. Pete, Austin, Kai here. And we're going
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  Speaker 2: to answer some of your fan questions because people have
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  Speaker 2: stuff they want to know. We've touched on some of this,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll try to wrap things up in a bow
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  Speaker 2: for everybody that didn't catch it a little bit earlier.
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  Speaker 2: So first off, what's the Hunter plans? Why not allow
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  Speaker 2: him to play the whole game to get the feel
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  Speaker 2: of the game? I think they're assuming maybe it's an
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  Speaker 2: injury thing and they're working their way back. Is there
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  Speaker 2: a sound answer here? Because I feel like you could
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  Speaker 2: answer this two ways.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Either play him some on offense and then people would
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  Speaker 2: be fine with it or play him all the time
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  Speaker 2: on defense. But this middle ground P is what's confusing.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he's a full-time corner who only played 37 snaps
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday. That's not good enough. So, Call it what
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  Speaker 3: it is. He's either protecting them or they're not playing
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  Speaker 3: a guy they traded up to go get all those
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  Speaker 3: draft picks to go get them. So it's one or
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  Speaker 3: the other. It can't be any in between. And if
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  Speaker 3: it's me, he plays every single snap on defense from
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  Speaker 3: here on out.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone. Yeah, I mean, this is the NFL, right? You're
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  Speaker 1: not going to always have great days on offense. That's
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  Speaker 1: more coach speak for you, Pete. Hope you like that.
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  Speaker 1: But on defense, you know that you need him there.
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  Speaker 1: because he's your best cover corner. So it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: justify taking him out. Once again, unless it's an injury thing,
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  Speaker 1: which if it is, then help him out and tell us.
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  Speaker 1: But until that point, it doesn't help taking him out
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  Speaker 1: and rotating guys in when the game can be on
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  Speaker 1: the line. Simple as that.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the other part of it. If he hit, like
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  Speaker 3: you put him in on offense and he went 75
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  Speaker 3: yards and caught a ball and turned it into a touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: Then you might not put him out on the field
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  Speaker 3: the very first defensive snap. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: You might miss a couple, and you could justify that.
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  Speaker 3: There was none of that. We haven't seen that. So
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  Speaker 3: there's no reason for him not to play every snap.
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  Speaker 2: Questions abound. We don't have the answers, but hopefully we'll
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  Speaker 2: figure things out as these weeks go along, or they
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  Speaker 2: will figure things out. Next question is, are the O-line,
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  Speaker 2: we talked about the trenches right off the top, are
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  Speaker 2: the O-line and D-line issues long-term concerns? Austin, what do
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  Speaker 2: you think?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, no, I think I'm going to call it
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  Speaker 1: a one-off right now, but it does feel a little
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  Speaker 1: Groundhog's Day when we're talking about, okay, well, where's the
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  Speaker 1: pass rush? Where's the interior pass rush? All this stuff,
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  Speaker 1: because we've had those conversations, it seemed like, last year
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  Speaker 1: as well. But I'm going to chalk it up to
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  Speaker 1: playing on the road in a hostile environment against a
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  Speaker 1: good Broncos team. And if we see more of the
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  Speaker 1: same against the Patriots, then bring out the panic button.
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  Speaker 2: Petey panicked.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, if they played poorly this week, then you
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  Speaker 3: got to start panicking. But here's the thing. Walker and
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: Heinz Allen were really good in week one. They weren't
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  Speaker 3: in week two. They still both were good against the run.
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  Speaker 3: They're good run players, but that's not why you pay
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  Speaker 3: them that money. You pay them to go get that
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  Speaker 3: quarterback on the ground. The ball came out quick. So
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  Speaker 3: kind of impacted him a little bit as well. But
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  Speaker 3: where is the interior pass rush? And all summer, what
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  Speaker 3: do we hear all summer long? 91's in great shape.
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  Speaker 1: He's healthy.
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  Speaker 3: You know what? 91, he's going to push the pocket.
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  Speaker 3: 91's back. We're going to monitor his snaps, not play
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  Speaker 3: him as much. He's going to be good on rushing
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  Speaker 3: the passer. Well, has that happened in either game?
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  Speaker 2: Not that I've seen.
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  Speaker 1: No. And keep in mind, once again, this is what
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  Speaker 1: happens when you lose a football game. then you start
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: questioning every single decision being made of this franchise, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: this is the way the world works. But going into
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  Speaker 1: the offseason, going into the draft, some could say a
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  Speaker 1: draft need was interior linemen, was a three technique, right?
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  Speaker 1: And instead of doing that, they went with, you know,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Barker and a tight end and... Didn't really hear his,
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  Speaker 1: didn't hear his name called a lot yesterday. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it might've been the run game a little bit, but
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  Speaker 1: once again, you're bringing Wyatt Milam into the plate tight
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  Speaker 1: end every once in a while. So whatever that is,
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  Speaker 1: but like the, these are the conversations that start to
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  Speaker 1: happen then Pete, when you start losing football games. Right. And,
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  Speaker 1: and right now there's, there's a lack of interior pass
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  Speaker 1: rush and interior pass rush might've been a need for
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  Speaker 1: you in the draft.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, Hamilton is a good football player. Devon Hamilton,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: most people around the league have no idea who he is,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: but boy, he plugs it up in there. He's a
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  Speaker 3: big reason why they're so good in the run game.
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  Speaker 1: He's okay, right? Because he came back in the game.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get an update on his injury. He came
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  Speaker 2: back into the game. He went out for a minute.
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  Speaker 2: It looked like his back was bothering him. He came
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  Speaker 2: back in, so he did finish the game. I haven't
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  Speaker 2: seen an injury update on that. I think we'll get
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  Speaker 2: a better idea once we get into the week because
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  Speaker 2: that would be a big problem.
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  Speaker 1: You need him for New England.
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  Speaker 3: You'll get an injury update. You'll get an upper body update.
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  Speaker 3: Or maybe a mid-body.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's his back. It's a mid-body. It could be
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  Speaker 2: either way. Back-body?
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  Speaker 3: But the way I look at it is from the
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  Speaker 3: waist down, lower body, upper body. I'm going back-body, Pete.
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  Speaker 3: More ways than we know.
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  Speaker 1: Pete, I'm going to go back-body. I'm going hamstrings, calves, Achilles.
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  Speaker 1: Lower back. Could be, you know, like a trap or
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  Speaker 1: something up here. It could be a neck.
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  Speaker 4: Back body.
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  Speaker 1: Book it. Listen.
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  Speaker 3: You know how we always talk about the line, the
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  Speaker 3: hockey line?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Hockey rotations and stuff. That's how they do it. They
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  Speaker 3: give out injury reports, and they're always upper body, lower body.
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  Speaker 3: So they never tell you what it is. Jacksonville's done
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  Speaker 3: that in the past, too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but with hockey, you know they're going to play regardless.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: Their leg could fall off. Yeah, you can saw your
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  Speaker 1: jaw shut with a broken jaw, and you're still playing.
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  Speaker 2: LeBron's pretty tough, though. I think he'll be out there
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  Speaker 2: if he can be. So we'll keep an eye there, hopefully,
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  Speaker 2: because that would be a big problem. Next fan question.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think the altitude actually affected the Jags? Courtland
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  Speaker 2: Sutton was out there saying he felt like the DBs
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  Speaker 2: were gassed when they were going after him late in
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  Speaker 2: the game. Austin, have you played at altitude before?
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  Speaker 1: I have not played at altitude. I talked a lot
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  Speaker 1: of smack to Broncos fans last year in altitude. Did
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  Speaker 1: you get winded? It was harder than talking smack in
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville in the humidity, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 5: But.
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  Speaker 1: I really don't think so. And I get, I forgot
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  Speaker 1: who the player was in the Broncos that said like
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  Speaker 1: they looked affected by it.
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, you can't go to.
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  Speaker 1: Denver in December, essentially curb stomp them and embarrass them
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  Speaker 1: in their home crowd. And then come back, you know,
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  Speaker 1: months later and then blame the altitude. Like, it's not
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  Speaker 1: like altitude doesn't rise and lower like the tides in
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  Speaker 1: December as opposed to September, right? It's always a mile high.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not going to say that was the excuse.
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  Speaker 3: I will say, though, that I lived in Denver. I
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  Speaker 3: moved to Denver. And when I first moved to Denver,
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  Speaker 3: I went and played basketball and I couldn't even breathe.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was.
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  Speaker 3: adjusting to that going upstairs you feel it you feel
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  Speaker 3: it i don't but usually it's like a couple plays
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  Speaker 3: in or something and you're like adjusted to it but
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  Speaker 3: did you see the camera pan to those guys oxygen
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  Speaker 3: yeah yeah yeah they.
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  Speaker 1: Were sucking that it was a third series i think
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  Speaker 1: it was they were sucking that down pete we're not
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  Speaker 1: just gonna bypass the breaking story on the show here
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  Speaker 1: you're a hooper i still pete Pistol Pete. Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I used to play all the time. I played at
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  Speaker 3: the Y in downtown Jacksonville for years.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Are you, are you more of like the facilitator
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  Speaker 1: or are you driving like Russell Westbrook? What are we
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: doing here with your game?
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  Speaker 3: I was, back when I played, I used to do
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of both, but I could shoot.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I could shoot. I used to play with good players
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  Speaker 3: at the Y, man. Okay. There's a player in town
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  Speaker 3: by the name of, by Ronnie, his name is Ronnie Cage.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: He went by, Tennessee was his nickname. He was drafted
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  Speaker 3: by the Bulls. Okay. He was just a little slow
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  Speaker 3: for the NBA. He used to play in that Y
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: and kill dudes on a regular basis, just kill them.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: Like NDA players, like Dee Brown, he'd kill him too. And...
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  Speaker 3: When you played with him, if you missed a shot,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: he'd scream at you all, make the damn shot. Like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, one of those guys. And so I played
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: him in horse once. I played him in horse once
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: and beat him. And he wanted to play me again.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: And that was when I had my radio show. He'd
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  Speaker 3: call in all the time and he'd start talking about
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  Speaker 3: Tennessee State, this and that. And I'd go, hey, Ronnie,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: before we get to that, What about when I beat
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: you at horse? You never played me again. And you
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: know what? To this day, I've never played him again
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  Speaker 3: because I'd lose to him the next time. But as
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  Speaker 3: it is right now, hey, Tennessee, if you're out there listening,
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  Speaker 3: I'm still the champ, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to put out the cat signal. If
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  Speaker 2: anyone has photos of Pete, videos of Pete playing hoops,
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  Speaker 2: I need to see it. I need to see it.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody has him somewhere. Let's get back into fan questions.
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  Speaker 2: Which position group had the worst game and needs the
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: most improvement? Might be what we already just talked about. But, Austin,
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  Speaker 2: what would you say?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man. I mean, you either go offensive line or
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  Speaker 1: defensive line.
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  Speaker 4: It's the line.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, flip a coin. Honestly. Pete, what do
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  Speaker 1: you think? Offensive line, defensive line?
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  Speaker 3: It's the offensive and defensive line. No question about it.
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  Speaker 3: No doubt about it. By the way, there's a picture
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  Speaker 3: right there.
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  Speaker 1: Ready? Yeah, bring it down a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Can you see it?
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  Speaker 1: Look at that.
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  Speaker 2: I had a hair, Pete.
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  Speaker 1: Look at that AI right there. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's not AI.
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  Speaker 1: That's me, man.
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  Speaker 3: I see you, man.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Pete, hold it a little lower because the ring
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: light is kind of in the way. Bring it back, Pete,
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  Speaker 1: real quick.
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  Speaker 3: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: Let me see that mug.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a bad shot there either. A little Larry
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  Speaker 1: Bird-esque right there.
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  Speaker 2: I see the follow through. Short shorts and everything.
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  Speaker 3: I could shoot.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Could you get a little more room with the shorts
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  Speaker 1: though next time then? Those things looked ridiculously tight.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: That was the John Stockton days. Short, short days. Those
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: looked uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 1: Those was the ways. They weren't great.
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  Speaker 2: Believe me.
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  Speaker 1: Another one.
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  Speaker 2: What's more surprising from the loss? Lack of pass rush
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  Speaker 2: or only scoring 13 points?
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  Speaker 1: Hmm. Pete, what do you got?
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  Speaker 2: Points for me after what we saw.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to say only scoring. I'm going to say
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  Speaker 3: only scoring 13 points. I think this offense is better
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  Speaker 3: than that. I just think that they got caught up
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: in stuff when it got down on the goal line
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: the one time and. and the pressure got to them,
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  Speaker 3: I think they're better than that. So I think only
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  Speaker 3: scoring 13 points.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that you're paying a lot of money
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: to get after the quarterback as well, but at the
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: end of the day, when it's all said and done,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: your identity is on offense. You have an offensive-led coach,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: offensive-led philosophy. So, yeah, the 13 points ain't going to
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  Speaker 1: cut it.
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  Speaker 2: All right, and our final fan question. Do you think
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: that they should have had Trevor on the run more
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: outside of the pocket? How would you, if you were
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: a coach, have helped the offense yesterday? coach you've got
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: austin's got the coach speak so what would you have
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: done on offense differently well.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: Kai i'm glad that you asked that right so obviously
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: obviously this is going to be a marathon not a
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: sprint i feel like we came out with a great
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: game plan got him off temple a little bit but
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: we we got to do a better job of execution
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: um in terms of some play action and and getting
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: trevor some more opportunities uh to run around a little
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: bit and and focus on the ops.
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  Speaker 3: I half expected you to start saying, my kids practiced
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: great all week and they had a great week of practice.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: And when they got out there, my kids, they went
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: out there on the field and they decided they were
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: going to do something about it. And I got the
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: heart of a champion, my kids. It's like every coach.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: That's like a D3 coach in the South.
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  Speaker 5: The kids.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: You know, every coach in America calls them their kids now.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: Everyone. Okay.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: Not in the NFL, but in college, in high school.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the college guys are kids.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: My kids.
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  Speaker 2: Making millions.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: They're still kids.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: Pete's on like a Juco coach right now. Okay.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, and then every coach in the NFL nowadays
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: says right after everything. So like I told you last week, listen,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: you'll notice it as much as you think. I just
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: think they could have bootlegged them more, got them on
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: the perimeter a little more, maybe, but... You got to
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: run the ball and do that. Who's respecting that if
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: they're not running the ball? And I think you said it, Austin, earlier,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: play action. Tootin', tootin', tootin'. Give them the ball.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: Run the damn ball. All right, when we return, we
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: will talk about what went on across the NFL. Lots
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: going down, including some injuries that maybe aren't as severe
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: as expected and an impressive defensive stat line for former Jaguar.
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  Speaker 2: We will discuss that on Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Mr.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: Chubby's Wings. Welcome back into Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Mr.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: Chubby's Wings. We're in the Hyundai studios, and we are
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: back to talk about what's been going on around the NFL. And,
• 1:25:35
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• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: They bring us Pete Prisco as well. So the good
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: news about the Jaguars losing their 1-1, that they're still
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: in first place in the AFC South because every other
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: team is 0-2. What's going on with the Texans, Pete?
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: Everybody told me they were going to be amazing.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and losing two games at home to open the
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: season is not a good look at all. I mean,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: they're in a big hole, and that's actually an enormous
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: game this week. They play Indy. They're both 0-2. The
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: team that goes to 0-3 is basically done. So, look, C.J.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: Stroud threw for 350 yards. Didn't play that great. Their
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: weapons are nonexistent. No Nikhil Collins. He's hurt. Higgins went out.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: So I think they have big problems. The defense actually
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: played pretty well against Cincinnati, but that team has issues.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: The Colts are terrible on defense. We saw that against
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes and the week before against Lamar Jackson. And
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: the Titans, well, they're the Titans. But according to that graphic,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: they're in second place right now.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: I think it says more about the Eagles probably that
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: they went there and almost lost, but another story for
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: another day. Let's talk about our former Jaguar, Devin Lloyd,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: who has a stat line of stat lines. And yes,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: they were playing the Falcons. I understand it's Cooper Rush.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: Cooper Rush, yeah.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: Nine tackles, two tackles for loss, two interceptions, one of
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: which was a pick six, a sack, a quarterback hit,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: three passes defended.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: Pete.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: Well, a week ago, he was awful. He was terrible. Well,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: what do we do?
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: We bounce back. It's a week-to-week league.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: Big props to him for bouncing back. Yeah, he bounced back.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, he did a really nice job. He played good.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: He was good on Sunday. And look, the Falcons think
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: it was Jack Strand's first pass I think he picked
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: off for a touchdown. You know, the fourth-string quarterback. So
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: take it for what it's worth. But he was good
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: on Sunday. You can't take it away from him. He
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: was all over the field.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: A couple of quarterback injuries. Austin, we've been talking about
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: this one. Caleb Williams looked like he was going to
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: be gone for years to come and now maybe back
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: this week. So he went down with an on-contact injury.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not laughing at him. It was just more of
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: the memes. The memes are hilarious.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: I'm going to laugh at you, man, because, you know.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: We're not getting too personal, but he's on my fantasy team, right?
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: So I'm watching the game. Oh, dude tore his Achilles
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: like that. That's horrible, right? And everything. And the reaction said, okay,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: that's an Achilles. That's going to be a year-ender right there.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: And then they bring out the cart and everything, towel
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: over him. He's waving at the crowd with his mustache
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: looking like Freddie Mercury jacked up and everything. And then
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: to hear Ben Johnson say, it might happen for Monday night.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: I am proud to report that Caleb Williams will be
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: sitting four games at least on my bench because just
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: out of principle, you can't get carded off. You can't,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: you know, say it's over with the hamstring. There's kids watching.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: my son watched that and i was gonna think oh
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: if caleb williams can do it i'm gonna have to
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: get out this math test real quick oh there goes
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: the hammy like take me to the hospital like i'm
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: over it caleb you.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: Gotta be better man you gotta be with you we
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: were watching that we were watching on sunday in our
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: green room and we're all like oh he's done that's
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: an achilles oh my gosh the season's over whatever And
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: then the way he acted on.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: The card around, what was the.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: Last time you saw somebody go on? When was the
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: last time you saw somebody go off the car on
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: a cart for a hamstring?
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, have you ever?
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: No, Pete, I, in pop Warner football, I broke my leg.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: I broke my tibia and I'm like, coach, I think
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: my leg is broken. He goes, well, that's cool. Get
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: up and walk it off. We'll go to the hospital.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: So I'm getting up with like, you know, the bone
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: getting ready to put shoot out the skin. It's football, man.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: Like that was the most basketball thing I've ever seen.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: It was crazy. And you know what? he's going to
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: get so much abuse for that from the opposing players
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: every single game.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: And kind of rightfully so. It was a little much.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: That was like full Paul Pierce in a wheelchair in
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: the finals.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what it was like. It was like Paul Pierce.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: And here's the other part of it. If he truly
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: is hurt and he's going to miss a little more
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: time and they're playing the gamesmanship game, then they're doing
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: him a disservice as well. You know, he says, oh,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: it's going to be week to week or whatever. If
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: he's out for six weeks, they're doing the kid a disservice.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: You know how you just said... I mean, I don't know.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: I just thought it was... The theatrics were amazing. It
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: was theatrical.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you think... Has Caleb Williams ever, like,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: hurt his hamstring before? Is that his first time?
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: I'm unaware.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's never been hurt before. I don't know what
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: his injury history is, but... Also, and this is just,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're tough. You guys are tough. Football players
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: are tough. We just don't see people react like that
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: a lot. And we see a lot of gruesome injuries
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: pretty frequently, unfortunately. And so it was just more out
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: of character. So your immediate reaction is, oh, my gosh. Like,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: we don't see.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: Which is why I thought it was the Achilles.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: Well, right. Even Daniel Jones tore his Achilles here last season.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: And he just basically sat on the turf. So to
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: see that was very, I was very concerned.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: Or even like Jaden Daniels, another player that got injured,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: dislocating his elbow again, which was gruesome to look at.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: And that's a person that needs a cart maybe because
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: that looks like I don't even know if I would
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: have been able to be awake for that.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to resuscitate me if I'm looking at
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: my bone popping through my elbow. I'm like, okay, good night.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: That was gross.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: That was a gross one.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: Clear? Yep.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: Arm doesn't bend that way.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: You know, it was funny.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: It was weird, but those two happened, and then the
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: Jaguars were playing Bo Nix. He was in that draft, too,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: wasn't he? Wasn't that the draft he was in? Yeah,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: three years ago.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: Was he? No, he wasn't in that draft. He was
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: in the last.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: No, it was. Bo Nix was the Drake. It was
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Drake May class. But Caleb Williams was in the Drake
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: May class, or no?
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: It was Caleb Williams, Drake May, and Jade Daniels.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: And Jackson Dark.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: Bo Nix was in that class the next year, right?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: I think so, yeah. Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: But you, but two guys at the top of that
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: draft class, both, both out now, or at least one of.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: Them is one of them is going to play in
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: a week probably. So we'll see.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: Chargers fall to own two. When are they getting their
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: first win? At Bills, at Seahawks, versus the Broncos, at Chiefs,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: at Rams, versus the Texans, at Ravens.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: Yikes.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: They going 0-9?
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: They might go 0-9. We counted that. And I said,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: if they went 0-9, is Jim Harbaugh in trouble?
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: I would say so.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: How can you not be?
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: That's terrible.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: How can you not be?
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: That's indefensible.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: Because they... Well, they paid a boatload of money to
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: pry him away from Michigan, so they might justify it,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: but I'm with you. If they were 0-9 with Justin
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: Herbert and Mike McDaniel, let's not forget, he was going
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: to come fix the offense. If they're 0-9, I think
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: Harbaugh is in big trouble.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: If you keep Harbaugh after that, you have to clean
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: house everything else, absolutely everything else and got it and restart.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: Cause that's the only way you can pitch that in
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: my opinion, because that's.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: But he has a new offensive coordinator and he has
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: a new defensive coordinator. I don't know what else he
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: can do.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: We'll blame everybody else.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: That's a telltale sign that the coach is next.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: We'll see. All right. Saints get a win over the
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: Ravens who had a big win in week one. Again,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: the beginnings of the seasons, who's good. Who's not. Are
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: the saints good?
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: I think Tyler shock is good.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: I think they have their quarterback. I mean, he's good.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know how good they are because they still
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: have a lot of young players playing, but they play
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: hard and tough, and Tyler Shuck to Chris Alave is
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: a hell of a combination. So they don't even have
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: their other rookie. Jordan Tyson's supposed to be the other receiver,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: and he's been hurt. So I think the Saints are
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: an interesting team that could push for that division title.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: Yep, with eight wins to win it.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: That's all it'll take, guys. That's all it's going to take.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: All right, tonight.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: Look at those teams.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: Tonight, an NFC matchup in Los Angeles. The Rams have
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: returned from down under. They'll try to get their first
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: win of the year. They're going to take on the
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: New York football giants. Young quarterback Jackson Dart, your reigning
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: MVP Matthew Stafford. Who you got?
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: Can we get the ball one more time on the screen? Oh,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: that's a Cooper Rush pass right there.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: Got it.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: Is Puka playing? Do we know that yet or not?
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: I haven't looked into it. I think that was going
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: to be a game-time decision.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: Who's playing? Puka. We don't know if he's playing yet.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Is it a hip? It's a lower body injury,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: isn't it? Is that what they're saying? It said hip,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: not a groin. I can't foresee the Rams going 0-2
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: after winning a Super Bowl.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: At home.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: Give me the Rams.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: I think it's a blowout. I think this is a
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: terrible combination for a young team. You're the Giants. You're
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: feeling good. You win a division game. Now you've got
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: to go all the way across the country against a
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: team that's rested after they played in Australia, that looked bad,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: didn't do the things that everybody thought they would do,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: and they were a dream team. Stafford is going to
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: light the Giants secondary up. I'll take the Rams big.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: All right, you guys are both going Rams. I'm keeping track,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: by the way. Pete, you're 1-0. Austin, your own one.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: Well, and that was out of respect for my son.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't know we were actually keeping track of him.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, this is for real, for real. So you've
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: got to take it serious going forward.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: Sounds good.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: We've got a couple extra minutes, so let's talk about
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: this matchup against the Patriots. We all agree it's very important.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: Give me a key to victory, if you will, Austin.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: What's going to be really important in that matchup?
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: You got to stop their run, right? You have to
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: make them one-dimensional because they haven't showed the capabilities with Drake, man,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: that wide receiving court to beat you. So you stop
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: the run. Hopefully Devon Hamilton is going to be healthy.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: And to put one thing, just win the trenches. Win
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball and the trenches
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: win on the defensive side of the ball. There you go.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: That's one thing.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 5: Ish.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: I think block the interior of that defensive line. The
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: one thing every quarterback in the NFL hates is interior pressure.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: They're good at it. The line last week didn't handle
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: theirs very well. They have to be able to be
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: stout in the middle and let Trevor Lawrence sit in
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: there and throw the football.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: When it comes down, we've talked, we've hammered this home,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: certainly the trenches are where it all begins. Will that
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: fix the other stuff? Is this a trickle-down effect when
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: you really get home? I feel like this is a
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: good football team, and if you can get those things corrected...
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: The other stuff should fix itself? Question mark?
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: I think Liam Cohen fixes itself. I think if they
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: protect in the middle, he'll come up with a game
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: plan to get the ball to the right guys, and
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: they will have a better offensive plan this time around. Look, again,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: when you call a play like you called to Tootin',
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: everything works exactly the way you wanted that play to work,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: except for Hainsey getting out and getting the safety on
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: the ground or even getting in his way. Then I
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: think that's not on the coach. That's on the execution
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: of the player. So I think I get... I think tootin'
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: needs to be more of a factor in the run game.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: That will help open everything else up down the field.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the play action and everything help
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: out Trevor Lawrence a little more, let him use his
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: legs to create open spaces and everything. I think that's
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: going to be the key to victory. And, hey, you're
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: going to get a big dub at home, and we're
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: not even going to talk about how many reps Travis
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: Hunter played on offense or defense because we won't care
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: because they won.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: A win is always nice. Anybody got some guarantees? I'm
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: not going to bait anybody into a lock, but what
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: are we going to see in this matchup? You're the predictor, Pete.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: Do you have anything?
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: I think Jacksonville wins the game. No, they win the game.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not a big believer in that New England offense.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: I think Drake may struggle, and I think they turn
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: him over. I think the line plays better. I'm not
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: guaranteeing it, though. I'm not guaranteeing it.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Put the keys on the table. Go ahead, Austin. Make
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: a guarantee. No, I'm good. I'm taking my joggers. Hey,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: pan up. I'm taking my joggers in, right? We got
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: to play. It's a marathon, not a sprint, okay? I
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: need three wins to get those joggers. I'm good right now.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: We're going to keep it low key. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: I locked on the way out and that didn't play
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: out well. So we're going to, we're going to keep
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: it calm this week. This is an, I'm going to
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: call it a must win. And I think they'll find
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: a way to get things done. And I'm going to
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: go on the toot and train like Pete and say,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: I think we're gonna get two toot and touchdowns, at
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: least in this matchup.