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Episode 90: Discussing the Clone Wars "Citadel Arc" and it's Impact (and Insanity!) Part 1 of 3 · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there. It's most things Kenobi.
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  This is the podcast, you're looking for.
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  Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of
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  most things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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  and all things. Star Wars.
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  I'm your host Leanne. And I'm your host Lauren and
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  this week oh yes we are entering the Citadel Maura Clone Wars, I
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  am so happy. Yes, yes and this this Arc.
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  Okay, so we're going to do it in usual fashion.
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  We'll start with the first episode in the ark next week.
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  We'll do the following episode, and then we'll wrap it up yes,
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  week after that. So, yes, today's episode is
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  titled. The Citadel mmm and shit just
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  gets crazier and crazier and crazier with each one of these
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  episodes. As they often do in the Clone
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  Wars with the llegar, not not an uncommon phenomenon there at
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  all. It's not only that but this
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  Citadel Arc follows the mortise Arc.
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  So all of that shit, just forget about it.
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  It was all a dream, right? It was Wizard of Oz.
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  Thrust into this now. I love this Arc, I love it very
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  much. It's really, really good, it's
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  really good, it's really smart and there's a crazy shit that
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  happens. I just really didn't expect to
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  see kids show, not a good show, totally and big moments happen.
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  Big like revealing things happen in this Arc things that matter
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  way later in the timeline. Yes.
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  What the fuck is the Citadel? Did you find anything about The
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  Citadel? Because we were going to
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  research? Yeah.
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  It's it was built for Jedi robe Jedi yet when it was built a
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  long time ago, it was built like 500 years ago from when this
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  story takes place, and it was built by the galactic Republic
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  with the help of the Jedi for any Jedi.
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  You turned dark or turned against the order to me that's
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  just crazy that they like. That mean it go with Maximum
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  Security Prison rather than get any kind of Rehabilitation
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  anything. Yeah, I don't know.
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  Deal with the problem instead of just trying to contain it.
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  It's right. It's fucked up.
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  That the Jedi helped with this. What?
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  Yeah. What Rogue Jedi did they have
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  that? They said you know what?
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  We're going to need to build a fucking prison.
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  Right, right? It's pretty crazy honestly and
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  it's built on. I probably not going to say this
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  correctly. Lola say you that's the name of
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  the planet. Yes.
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  And there was some catastrophic event that took place that that
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  no one was sure what happened. But it exposed the molten core
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  of the planet and the planet is slowly disintegrating and like
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  breaking apart and going into orbit around itself.
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  And they decided to Build on this planet knowing it was like
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  this already I just find this extremely fascinating and
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  horrifying super interesting. Yeah and it's horrific - it's
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  interesting. So like they did this on purpose
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  because it was a very dangerous place to be.
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  So if anyone escaped like what we talked about in Cabo if you
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  escape you're not in a very hospitable Place food and like
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  vegetation. And didn't grow.
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  They had everything shipped in basically to survive on the
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  Citadel. So yeah, it's pretty crazy and
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  it was mostly Droids that lived and worked there if you lived in
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  a sense. But like there's a reason why
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  because anything living had to remain inside the Citadel.
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  Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.
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  Outside wasn't going to make it. I mean you see how the Jedi a
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  that are in on this and the Clones struggle the entire time
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  they're outside. Citadel, mmm.
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  I mean they struggle when they're inside the Citadel but
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  they struggle. There's things that go on
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  outside. The Citadel that are fucked up.
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  So the Citadel is all booby-trapped but I started to
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  wonder because it was built by the galactic Republic but as
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  soon as the Clone Wars started the location of Lola so you was
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  basically in separatist territory.
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  So the separatists took the planet, pretty early during the
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  Clone Wars They didn't say how basically.
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  They just said, they overwhelmed the Dooku knew about it,
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  probably probably because he was a Jedi so Yas of known of the
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  Citadel. So they took over that planet
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  really early and they said that they made alterations to the
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  Citadel. So because the Jedi only have
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  what's in their archives which is like the tunnels and shit
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  that's underneath but they're saying that that data is not so
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  accurate anymore so they don't explicitly say that.
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  The separatist that change it but that's the question I have.
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  Are the horrific booby traps that are everywhere where those
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  installed by the separatists or were they there when the Jedi
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  built? This Citadel, I don't know, but
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  it's nefarious as fuck and I want to this has Mace Windu,
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  written all over it. I feel like I don't know why
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  ki-adi-mundi. Yeah, you know, I can just see
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  See mace, like taking some sort of personal, like, Glee out of
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  this place. I'm surprised they didn't send
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  him as part of the incoming party that infiltrated, you
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  know. Yeah.
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  What do you mean in the sense of like, he would find it Justified
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  to put Jedi there or that he would enjoy trying to overcome
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  all the booby traps? No, he would feel great and like
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  making the place. A thing, because he would feel
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  Justified that somebody needed to be there.
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  He's the type of, dude, that would feel like If you're dark
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  enough, we got to put you somewhere.
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  Yeah. Which is interesting because
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  he's the one of those Jedi who kind of like barely walks that
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  line. I know takes one to know one.
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  Yeah. He just hated so many people or
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  had a bug up his ass about. So many individuals, I'll say he
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  just was, you're happy. I never saw him smile.
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  Not once anyway, he seems very bitter.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  It's a bit early on there. So they, my favorite part of
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  this whole. Well, I have a lot of favorite
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  Parts. What Am I?
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  Who am? I kidding.
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  But it starts with the Carbonite that we see for the first time
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  prior to Empire Strikes Back. Yeah.
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  And I love this scene. I remember the first time I ever
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  watched this episode and I was like, ah, shut up.
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  They're not they're totally not. They are.
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  Oh my God, they're doing it and Even Dave filoni himself in like
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  the director's cut. Says that he made it in such a
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  way that Anakin already seems to know something about freezing,
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  people in carbonate and carbonite and netted will work
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  and like, he's totally okay. With trusting.
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  You mean system in Empire Strikes Back?
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  He knows this know he knows it already.
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  Oh, okay. Never really explained why they
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  show up and this is a thing and it seems like it's fine.
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  We'll be totally fine, this totally works.
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  And like what's he been doing? Exactly.
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  And so filoni himself said like, They kind of made it seem that
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  Anakin already had some sort of knowledge of this process
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  working in this sense. Interesting.
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  And then he also said that they purposely put in an Ugg, not
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  2009, do the carbonation process from the outside which is what
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  they do in a strikes back and filoni said that ugh knots are
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  the like the best carbonation carbonizing that it seems would
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  be like Alex specifically talented.
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  At this first, I kind of love that little nod.
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  But why why do the Jedi have a carbon like that large of a
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  carbon freezing facility, in the temple, there, in the temple.
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  I checked because they show the temple before.
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  Then they go into the next scene.
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  You know how they set the stage and for sure the next scene
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  takes place, why do they have that?
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  What is what is it used for other than freezing people?
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  That's the only thing we've ever seen it.
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  Used for, I don't know. Like, I almost think that they
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  could transport criminals or like, but they have a jail
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  there, don't they? They do is have somewhere and
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  course they do have detention cells, the other than the Jedi
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  Temple. Yeah.
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  But then there's a prison on Coruscant also.
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  So yeah, there's both I don't know if the cells that the the
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  Jedi Temple are for external criminals or if they're only for
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  Force sensitives, I can't remember it just seems like it
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  would be like, what are you doing down there?
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  Anakin what's happening? I know it's like everyone else
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  is asleep in the temple and he just said, And Emily wants to
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  try freezing different things. He'll throw a banana down and
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  freeze it and see what happens. Like like you with your site.
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  Exactly room. The liquid nitrogen.
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  Yes. So I can't blame them too much.
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  I had a moment myself freezing. Something just to see what would
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  happen. Yeah it was a non-sentient item.
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  A banana. Thank God.
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  A balloon is really interesting. If you put it in liquid nitrogen
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  it shrinks you take it out, it And again, but doesn't break.
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  It's very cool. How weird, you know, it's really
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  cool. It's like a picture and it can
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  down there just throwing things in the thing and see what
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  happens. Anyway, the look on his face in
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  the animation itself and they zoom in on them is so fucking
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  self-confident and like, yes, self-assured and its really,
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  really sexy. But it's also unnerving because
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  we know what happens in Empire, Strikes Back.
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  What the fuck? Yeah, it's like setting the
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  stage for It is good to be a creep.
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  Totally. Yeah, everyone looks really good
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  in this episode. This, this whole season is when
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  they're at their Peak whatever. But I'll never forget when
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  they're actually climbing up the wall of the Citadel and like,
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  Obi-Wan has the piece of hair fluttering, which I love?
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  That's my other favorite scene. There's no nostrils.
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  Didn't you point out to me that there's no nostrils.
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  Oh yeah. Sometimes in the animation.
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  Yeah, he has just a flat nose which I love which I I guess, I
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  guess Nationals aren't exactly the most attractive part of a
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  human body but it was kind of on everybody.
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  So why not? It's a thing that's really
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  funny. Okay so they carbon freeze to
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  bypass. They carbon freeze all of the
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  Jedi that are going and all the Clones that are going so they
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  can bypass a scan right they're going to scan the ship yeah the
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  bioscan yes and see if there's any living beings on board they
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  get through the Kade scan and arrive in this insane Planet,
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  which is purple and yellow. Yes.
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  And I did some research on those colors specifically in
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  cinematography. Okay, what have you found?
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  I love this part of our of our breakdown.
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  Okay. So in cinematography you use
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  colors to set mood but it can also have like a subconscious
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  meaning and then it can have a very deliberate meaning as well
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  and there's different parts of using color and light.
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  So there's difference in like, Hue saturation, brightness,
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  brightness and value. Like how dark or saturated is
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  the color and then it's it's meaningful because of the color
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  wheel, right? You know, the Our wheel where it
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  has like the primary colors and then the secondary colors are
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  combinations of primary colors and yellow and purple are
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  complementary colors. They are opposite of each other
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  on the color wheel. When you combine them together,
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  you get brown which is what the rest of the planet looks like
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  very much. So this color palette Is kind of
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  interesting because both purple and yellow can have multiple
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  meanings. So, yellow is considered the
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  most luminous color on the color wheel and it draws the viewers
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  attention, which is why yellow is used for caution signs.
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  Because biologically, we are designed to see the color yellow
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  first, and it is very difficult for us to register the color
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  purple. So it's interesting that they're
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  like used together in this. This planet.
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  So yellow can mean in film yellow is the color of wisdom
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  and knowledge but it's also the color of sickness insecurity
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  Obsession idolization, naivety cowardice, deceit and hazard.
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  Well, that's that describes Tarkin right there, which
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  amazingly that bastard's in the scented Citadel, sorry?
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  No, you're right though. So purple is a rarity right?
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  Like it's rare in nature, so it's harder for our brains to
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  register, but purple and cinematography well, before I
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  say, that purple is also a symbol of royalty, because it's
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  so rare. Only royalty, could afford to
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  wear purple, dyes The in cinematography purple represents
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  fantasy the Ethereal the illusion.
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  It also represents eroticism mysticism, mystery nobility, and
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  royalty. So it's this weird mix of colors
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  that are opposite each other on the color wheel, but then the
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  colors themselves have opposite meanings as well.
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  Which I started to think about. Like what would this mean?
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  I might be reading way too much into it, but like it.
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  Used to be the galactic Republic Jedi and now it's separatists
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  and it's a place to hold Jedi who were once good, who are now
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  bad and like the weird mismatched duality of
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  everything. I just thought it's obviously a
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  deliberate choice to use these colors.
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  Maybe they just thought it'd look nice.
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  But no, I don't think so. I think a lot of this is very
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  deliberate. Well, if you think about the
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  planet itself, the crust, when you see it from far away as
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  purple. So, it's like ethereal and
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  mystical. And Royal, and underneath is
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  this cracked molten yellow core, that's like sick, and it's a
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  warning and it's putrid, you know, it's just an interesting
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  combination there. It really just, that's a huge
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  symbol for the galactic War that's happening, the Clone War.
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  Yes, exactly. It's a symbol for like,
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  Palpatine himself, right. It's a symbol for the Jedi and
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  what they stand for versus what they end up doing.
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  Yeah. It's it could be a symbol for,
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  for all kinds of I love this. I love this stuff so much.
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  And ironically, purple and yellow are my favorite colors
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  for no reason? They just have always.
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  I mean, it's not like a sports team or like, you know, No,
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  there's no, there's no reason behind it.
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  I just like those colors. Not necessarily together, but I
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  like those colors. I don't like it in this sense
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  though. Well, it looks it just looks
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  cool. Looks like a neon like, I don't
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  know, cyberpunk type thing. But the planet is, you know,
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  like we talked about the landscape is, is like horns
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  sticking out of the ground and crazy like outcroppings and the
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  Citadel itself. Of is built on a beaut.
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  I think is what they said between two Lava Lakes.
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  Well, yeah. Because when they leave, and
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  they get out of this thing. There's lava Rivers everywhere.
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  And there's a lot louder. A lava or a magma.
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  See, something like that on the planet.
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  Good luck for crazy. So all rivers and up to the Sea.
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  So, I suppose, if it's true of the river, it does end up in a
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  lava ocean. God.
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  It sounds terrifying. Sounds like a great place to put
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  a citadel. Yeah perfect for prison.
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  God. Well the reason they're going
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  there is because the Jedi even peel Evan peel.
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  Yeah, what a strange name? It's like even Keel.
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  But it's seven peel and it's so pedestrian.
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  Evan Evan, and also pedestrian Todd yet.
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  George peeled is just hanging out in the like So he's such a
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  tiny little thing, and they just have them in this in this.
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  They're keeping him there held there and they go to save him
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  and I just feel bad for the dude, because what ends up
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  happening, anyway, it's like such a noseless trip.
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  Another useless trip, brought to you by the Jedi.
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  Yeah, it explains why he's not in other parts of the stories.
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  Unfortunately. Yeah, but do you know how he
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  lost his eye. I don't do you, I don't but I
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  want to like, find out really quick.
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  He's, they might not talk about it in Cannon and might just be a
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  like a legend story but what makes him seem so badass
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  compared to his stature? I know is that he's a hard-ass
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  doing. He's a great character, is
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  fucking ears, they like flap. I know, he's kind of like, the
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  his ears have always reminded me of Yoda, honestly?
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  Yeah, but he brings them out. He's like rings and shit on him,
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  doesn't he? Oh, I don't know.
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  Maybe in the cartoon he doesn't in the movies.
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  But okay. He's being tortured by a medical
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  Droid I noticed. Okay.
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  Yeah. So that had to be an enhancement
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  brought to you by Dia the separatist.
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  Well the guy who runs the Citadel what's his name OC so
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  pick thank you he's deranged and I kind of love it he treats it
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  like a little mouse trap yes like the old game from the 80s
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  and 90s if anyone recalls it's like you know you have to you
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  must never worked. I will this doesn't work either.
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  When you bring Anakin Ahsoka Obi-Wan coat a wreck.
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  So who else Echo is? Here.
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  This is my, we all know not this episode but Echo we lose our me
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  up. Yes.
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  And so like there's shit that goes down in this Arc, we meet
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  Tarkin before we meet Tarkin, right?
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  It's a huge fucking deal. I know, and he's such a whiny
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  bitch in this episode. I love it.
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  I love it. I love it.
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  I love it. I love it.
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  I love that. Tariq and immediately, he, and
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  Obi-Wan hate each other. Just the open one is just like,
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  Listen here bitch, like he gets sassy with them.
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  He does not take rolls his eyes. He doesn't take any of his shit
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  like look, we're just here to fucking rescue you people.
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  No, thanks necessary, let's move, you know.
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  Yeah. Yeah, but we're skipping the
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  best part of the episode. Which is which is when Obi-Wan
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  like Goes Ham in the hallway. Key.
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  Yes. Oh it's so good.
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  It's so good. He really he very rarely goes
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  that crazy but he does it a few times in this Arc and it's
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  delightful like Back Spin. Backwards.
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  Stabbing, what did you say? They're electrified magnetized.
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  They're magnetized and that's once that happened.
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  Okay, poor. Anakin.
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  Okay, he's busy. He's hanging by his beautiful,
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  sexy bionic arm up on the ceiling, getting shocked as hell
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  unable to help getting electrocuted as usual.
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  But he has enough strength and resolve to like get his his his
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  weapon out and use it and you know, amazing disengage.
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  But what we want is really his his lightsaber.
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  Work in the hallway is really outstanding to watch.
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  It's so cool. And they did some neat like
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  shots on him and that sequence where he says they're magnetized
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  and he's trying to use the force to push them back, they like
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  zoom in on his face and give you that kind of energy as moving it
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  like against his energy. It was really cool.
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  I like that whole sequence because all of the Jedi are
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  being badasses but the citadel's booby traps are really getting
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  the better of them over and over and And there's, there's a story
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  I heard of how filoni asked James Arnold Taylor when he's
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  voicing Obi-Wan can see voices, ob1 plug, hoon, and OSI sobeck
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  and this episode. He is busy.
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  Yeah. I can't believe he voices.
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  So baek also it's insane. Filoni asked him to find a
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  balance of sounding compassionate, but still knowing
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  that the mission needed to be moved forward and I think you
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  did a really good job of that because you know the Clones when
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  the walls get electrified and it's like coming up the hallway
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  towards them and one of the Clones gets killed, it's so
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  horrible. And there's a lot of like
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  Anonymous henchmen. You know, Anonymous clone
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  getting killed in this episode because there's such terrible
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  booby traps everywhere. Yeah.
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  It's really hard to watch the Clones fall throughout these
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  three episodes. Yeah, you know, the one who
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  falls off the when they're climbing that side and he falls
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  into one of the mines that was horrible.
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  And we haven't mentioned Ahsoka. Who snuck in on this up.
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  Right, right. So I have some weird feelings
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  about that because she's like straight up lies.
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  Oh 100%. But it works out.
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  Yeah. But still like that's not very
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  Jedi to just like bold-faced lie bald-faced lie, whatever the
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  phrase is Is like just make up that pulao Coon told her to join
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  the mission and then a I want to jump ahead to the last episode.
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  But still like yeah. The final conversation is
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  questionable. Yeah.
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  Exactly. Yeah.
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  She. Um, she pulls a fast one.
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  You know, assuming let's assume that the cryogenic freezing
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  didn't turn out, right? They've had, they would have one
• 24:15
  extra like Casualty. That was unnecessary.
• 24:19
  Yeah. Now granted she does, they all
• 24:23
  make it, they show up there. Oh, look a Sokka.
• 24:27
  What are you doing here Ahsoka? And turns out that she's really
• 24:32
  really necessary on this trip, right?
• 24:35
  And saves their asses one or two times, where None of the others
• 24:39
  could do what she does. Like, going through the little
• 24:42
  shaft crawling through because she was small, when you can see
• 24:47
  the entire Arc, she's working extra hard to prove herself.
• 24:52
  Yes. And she's taking it in stride.
• 24:55
  Yeah. Is it she's because she she
• 24:58
  snuck in Sitka question. I think she's trying to prove to
• 25:01
  Anakin that she can handle the risk.
• 25:03
  Oh, 100%. And I want to know what your
• 25:06
  thoughts are on this. I I don't feel 100% certain what
• 25:10
  tone they're trying to take their because at the beginning
• 25:13
  Ahsoka Anakin says to Ahsoka, you do or die on this Mission
• 25:18
  and that's not a risk. I'm willing to share with you.
• 25:22
  Why is this Mission anymore do or die than any other one that
• 25:26
  they've been on? Is it because I've just been to
• 25:29
  the Citadel where she did actually died.
• 25:32
  I'm sorry. The Citadel.
• 25:33
  They've just been to mortise where she did actually die or I
• 25:36
  think so. Is he being overly protective
• 25:40
  and then it she hundred percent but also like she's not taking
• 25:45
  orders, right? Like he is her teacher her
• 25:48
  master and she's just straight up telling him.
• 25:50
  You don't get to decide things for me.
• 25:53
  Yeah. And I know I can't get a sense
• 25:55
  of who's, right? Maybe that's the point.
• 25:59
  Yeah. Like the episode doesn't take a
• 26:01
  side necessarily. I don't know.
• 26:04
  I just thought it was. It raises all these.
• 26:08
  As questions but doesn't answer them.
• 26:10
  I thought it was kind of interesting, I compared to what
• 26:14
  happened on mortis. I would say that that was a
• 26:18
  soaked as trial and she passed. Now, knowing Anakin's
• 26:25
  deep-seated fear of loss, I could see him being like oh no,
• 26:30
  not again, and not in succession.
• 26:32
  Are you going to come and almost get killed again?
• 26:35
  Like maybe he needs a period of weak, but we don't know how much
• 26:38
  time passed between mortise and this Arc, like, technically in
• 26:41
  the timeline. But it probably would take
• 26:45
  Anakin longer than the average Master to let their Padawan back
• 26:51
  into a date. Like oh.
• 26:51
  An overprotective parent. You're not going to let them
• 26:54
  just go do the same thing. After you still feeling may be
• 26:59
  somewhat responsible because a lot of that was on Anakin's
• 27:02
  shoulders and mortis. Yeah, he's probably carrying
• 27:05
  that around because that's what Anakin does best.
• 27:07
  He just keeps it, holds it carries it over, you know, over
• 27:11
  does it. And but at the same time, She's
• 27:17
  becoming more independent and more sure of herself and maybe
• 27:21
  he doesn't want to lose the master part similar to like how
• 27:26
  Qui-Gon just kind of want to say ditched Obi-Wan.
• 27:30
  But once you come into yourself, you don't need a master anymore
• 27:34
  and maybe Anakin wanted to be needed in that respect and
• 27:36
  wanted to be like, no, you can't go because I still have say
• 27:41
  here, you know, maybe that's a stretch but I think it's an
• 27:45
  interesting point. Honestly he loves her.
• 27:49
  That's his kid, sister. And like, as soon as the kid
• 27:52
  sister doesn't need her big brother anymore, that's gotta
• 27:55
  hurt. Yeah, that's a hard adaptation
• 27:58
  honestly. That's hard for even parents,
• 28:01
  whose kids go to college? You know, it's hard to adjust to
• 28:04
  not being needed because you are needed by your kids.
• 28:08
  And then all of a sudden, they don't want to need you anymore.
• 28:11
  Yeah. That would be a really hard
• 28:12
  adjustment. We all know.
• 28:14
  Anakin is no good at adjusting to anything.
• 28:17
  No. When he really, really likes
• 28:19
  being needed so because he really needs everyone.
• 28:23
  So it's kind of, I don't know, it's always sad with those two
• 28:27
  because obviously Ahsoka is very capable of herself.
• 28:31
  She proves it over and over its I just I don't know.
• 28:36
  I think it was left ambiguous. I guess to answer your question,
• 28:39
  I don't know if there is a right answer.
• 28:41
  Yeah, it's interesting because they like they usually take
• 28:45
  aside and I don't really feel like at least in this episode.
• 28:49
  I don't feel like there's a side maybe by the end of the arc will
• 28:52
  feel it more? But doesn't she also play a
• 28:55
  little, not Devil's Advocate, but almost because Target she
• 28:59
  doesn't like Tarkin as she hears them Gap in, Anakin's ear,
• 29:02
  right? And she's watching this, and
• 29:06
  she's coming from a more unbiased perspective.
• 29:10
  She's really what the fuck's going on?
• 29:11
  These two, you know. Yeah, she's always watching and
• 29:15
  trying to figure out what is going on with Anakin, you know,
• 29:19
  between like Kodama when he was, he had the lightsaber up to the
• 29:22
  dudes neck and the ship. She was like, what the fuck?
• 29:25
  And then? Why is he so angry about the
• 29:28
  slaves and stuff. And, and then in mortis, you
• 29:32
  know, just when he had to choose technically between Obi-Wan and
• 29:36
  Ahsoka but he'd saved both and and all this stuff, I just feel
• 29:39
  like this is piling up in ahsoka's.
• 29:41
  Rain and she's watching, and I can literally transform into
• 29:47
  something unrecognizable or slowly unrecognizable to her.
• 29:52
  Yeah, you know, we don't know where she stands with doubts in
• 29:56
  the on the Jedi at this point, right?
• 30:00
  No, I well, I mean by kadavo, which is later, she's still
• 30:06
  encouraging. Yeah, the governor to join the
• 30:10
  Republic at the very least. Instead, she doesn't seem to
• 30:12
  have doubts about the Jedi until the Jedi doubt.
• 30:14
  Her idea. I think she might have more
• 30:17
  doubts about Anakin and seeing the inconsistency maybe between
• 30:22
  his teachings and what the Jedi say is appropriate.
• 30:26
  But speaking of that, like Obi-Wan even says to her I see
• 30:30
  you're taking the do as I say, not as I do approach.
• 30:34
  It's like that's that's just hold that mirror up to yourself,
• 30:40
  master Kenobi. Look at all three of them are
• 30:45
  Classics do as I say, not as I do well, you know, it ends up
• 30:51
  working out in some instances, but it takes all of them, you
• 30:56
  know, the real hero of the Citadel episode and Arc is
• 31:00
  R2-D2. Yes.
• 31:03
  Pretty much. Yeah they don't be screwed
• 31:05
  without him as usual. He's there to facilitate the
• 31:11
  Masters and keep them all together.
• 31:13
  Like just keep it together because he's the one that flies
• 31:16
  the ship in with like a with a makeshift.
• 31:20
  Roger. Roger Droid right.
• 31:22
  Yeah he's got three battles rides.
• 31:24
  Also why the fuck was threepio in this episode at all?
• 31:28
  Except for sure? I don't began service because
• 31:32
  he's padme's Droid at this point.
• 31:35
  Why is he at the Jedi Temple randomly with R2D2?
• 31:39
  I don't know. I'm sorry.
• 31:40
  I just get It annoyed when he shows up, I know you do.
• 31:45
  I know you do well, maybe he's running errands or something,
• 31:50
  you just stay. Yeah.
• 31:51
  ER, to just to say hi. Check out the carbon-freezing
• 31:55
  facility. Yeah.
• 31:56
  Yeah. You never know.
• 31:57
  Well, it's funny we maybe had to be there because he's there in
• 32:01
  Empire, Strikes. Back in a sense?
• 32:03
  Yeah, I guess yes. I understand gangs here.
• 32:09
  I don't know our to our Who is the, is the real MVP in Star
• 32:14
  Wars period literally pull? Weight of the story is on his
• 32:19
  back. Well, I will say though, that
• 32:22
  Obi-Wan has some very sexy moments and that's the whole
• 32:25
  thing, the hair hair that he does a pull up, which is great
• 32:31
  when he picks up over that little Edge.
• 32:33
  Yes, exactly. When we don't get the nostrils,
• 32:36
  it's like that. Take some upper body strength
• 32:39
  and you and I have commented on it before.
• 32:41
  It's true. He's got to be strong to do it
• 32:45
  or weigh as much as a piece of paper with.
• 32:48
  No, he's got the Dorito shape. The she does is to the down to
• 32:51
  the waist ratio and if you're not sure how big he is, look at
• 32:56
  revenge and there's a scene where oh, Ventress tries to roll
• 33:02
  him over and he looks huge compared to her, I love that.
• 33:06
  It's really interesting to see that because he always doesn't
• 33:08
  look that big because he's next to Anakin, I'm going to say
• 33:11
  next. Ventures, he looks huge.
• 33:12
  Well then, can you imagine how big Anakin is?
• 33:14
  I can I'm sure you can. Well, I also love the moment
• 33:22
  where Obi-Wan does the die-hard run, or you like they said, all
• 33:26
  the explosives off, any runs down, the hall with the bombs
• 33:29
  going up behind him. Yes, Man.
• 33:32
  Yes. Yeah.
• 33:33
  II love. I just love how every time that
• 33:38
  they're in the Citadel and they Bypass, or Defeat one of the
• 33:42
  like booby traps or thing you know the guy what's his name is
• 33:46
  sitting there like ooh let's press this button and see what
• 33:49
  happens and then they like I totally defeat whatever that is
• 33:53
  he gets increasingly more and more irate.
• 33:56
  Yes. It kind of gets like mad
• 33:58
  Professor E like dressed. They beat me, let's try this.
• 34:05
  And then he cone something up. Like I don't know, he's living
• 34:07
  there alone by himself with a bunch of droids probably dream.
• 34:11
  Ways to like, you know, carry out things.
• 34:15
  Yeah that's all he does all day long.
• 34:18
  He's described on Wikipedia as sadistic.
• 34:21
  So yep, yes, 100 percent yearly, he's got some issues, I mean the
• 34:27
  fact that he's a combination of Al Pacino and Christopher Walken
• 34:32
  is he's not what makes it even funnier.
• 34:36
  So perfect. If Christopher Walken worked in
• 34:40
  the Well, I would go and hang out there.
• 34:45
  Who wouldn't? Oh my God, it must be really
• 34:50
  funny to be James Arnold Taylor doing both those parts because
• 34:54
  they talk to each other. And from what they say, I've
• 34:58
  seen a bunch of interviews, the characters like the actors,
• 35:02
  don't don't do one character and then do a new take as they just
• 35:06
  switch back and forth while the reportedly hard well as Dee
• 35:09
  Bradley Baker, how that works. X, seriously.
• 35:12
  Yeah, he played the torture Droid in this episode and all
• 35:16
  the Clones. Like and Ashley was the, oh the
• 35:21
  Tactical Droid. She was the Tactical Droid.
• 35:23
  He was at the Tactical Droid. Hmm.
• 35:27
  Wow, interesting. I love how they do that.
• 35:31
  They'll just have the actors do some secondary voices for the
• 35:34
  episode if they're there. Why not?
• 35:37
  Well, cool. The first time I watched it, it
• 35:40
  never registered to me. And then I started researching
• 35:42
  and I was all what they did those voices too.
• 35:45
  Yeah. That's always my reaction.
• 35:47
  I'm just always and forever impressed by voice actors.
• 35:50
  I mean. Yeah.
• 35:52
  So this episode is, is it sets the stage for the nonsense and
• 35:57
  craziness that ends up happening in the next?
• 35:59
  It to yes, which we will cover. There's more Tarkin, there's way
• 36:06
  more Tarkin, he can go fuck himself.
• 36:08
  But this is one of our favorite episodes that you and I used to
• 36:11
  watch together and Rewind, play Rewind, play Rewind, one more
• 36:16
  time, play that scene over again, you know, good freeze,
• 36:20
  the interface have to close it out.
• 36:22
  Relaunches, send the link to each other again, I regret
• 36:26
  nothing. Sam.
• 36:34
  All right, our audience question, this week to you is,
• 36:37
  did you expect to see good old Tarkin show up in the Citadel
• 36:42
  episode? Because I sure as shit didn't
• 36:45
  do. It totally took me by surprise
• 36:47
  when I first saw that episode. It was quite a shock.
• 36:51
  Yeah, but I loved it. I did to that guy.
• 36:55
  The guy voices him very well very well.
• 37:00
  Join us back here next week. We're gonna dive in to the
• 37:02
  second episode of this Arc. The episode is called
• 37:05
  counter-attack. There's more Shenanigans, more
• 37:08
  torture, more Tarkenton. We're targeting.
• 37:12
  It's gonna be a delightful. Shitshow should come.
• 37:17
  I can't sit a delightful. Sure, sure, sure.
• 37:19
  Curve, delightful shit show. So, come on back and join us
• 37:28
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• 37:33
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• 37:36
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• 37:42
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• 37:56
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• 37:58
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• 38:04
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• 38:08
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• 38:11
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• 38:16
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• 38:19
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• 38:23
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• 38:25
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• 38:40
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• 38:43
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