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But I'm not gonna. I ain't even got I know I do,
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North. As you can see, we're filling this episode with a k's because
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we don't have much to talk about. That's not true. We always have
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a lot to talk about. We always say that at the beginning, like
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oh, we had none to stay. Then we start running our mouths about
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something into pretty much. We tried to do bonus episodes over like twenty minutes
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long, and they're like hours, right, literally, let's keep this do
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let's keep the short here hours car. Yeah, so here we are is
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you can see if you're watching us on YouTube right now because we're not live,
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well this might be on stitch too, Yeah, but you know that's
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get this together. Yeah, you gotta get that together. But you know
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we are. We've been broadcasting more on Twitch, I TV, slash for
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all nerves. We've been doing live shows. This ain't exactly live, it's
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semi live, you know, as it were, but this is you know
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how we're doing it now. So we're doing a lot more and you're getting
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a bonus episode right now for the holidays because we're on break. But you
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know, we wanted to bring you a little bit more. So we're gonna
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talk about, you know, some things that's going on, some things we've
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seen, some things you might want to check out. You're on break,
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you know, and you know I'm enjoying this, you know, good legal
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thing right here. So, uh what what what's the first thing we need
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to talk about? You know, we did our view of Loki, Yes,
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Loki and the mc and then Marvel's really the MCU problem as as it
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were, as as everyone in the world loves to call it, you know,
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we and you know, shout out to everyone who disagreed with us thoroughly
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and vehemently. I will say most of you guys did it U in a
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in a what's the word, in a not honorable but respectful way, respectful
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way, respectful way, and appreciate that. Like we're not always going to
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agree, and that's fine. I hope y'all not listen to us because you
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think we're always going to agree with each other. But like that, right,
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right right? I think I think y'all listen because we give our objective
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opinions, whether you agree or not. But then we could talk through like
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what why y'all felt the way you felt, why we felt the way we
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felt, and so on and so forth. We collectively, Ben and I
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felt differently about the Marvels. I scored it, hired and he did I.
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Actually, I think I enjoyed it more than he did. But we
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both touched on a lot of the issues we had with it and then with
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Loki while we were entertained, are you not entertained by it? We you
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know, we had our issues with some of the rioting and things like that,
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but at the end of the day, we did feel that, you
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know, I wanted more for Loki at the end of the day, to
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be honest with you. But the endpoint that they ended up with was was
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was pretty like imagery Wise. I think I had said that in that episode
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imagery Wise like it was. It was big. It was big what they
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did with him and all the other stuff. But you know, I had
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my concerns with how they got there, and I fully agree, and after
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having time to think about it, I will say that for the Marvels,
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I pretty much say the same thing. Like I told you in the review,
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when I walked out the theater, I would have given it a deep
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oh, Ben, I mean, And that's what you guys don't understand.
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Like we we purposely decided to just wait until the next day of record because
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Ben, I mean was like very much like no, he was very much
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a this is a no for me dog and like again, vehemently a no
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for me dog, like yeah. And I saw one of the comments,
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in fact, somebody said, oh, I know why you did this because
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you know it's a black director. And I do want to say yes every
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time. God damn it, I'm going to give black directors, black writers,
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black women. I don't give up if you ain't white male. I'm
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going to give you the benefit of the doubt, you know what I mean
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in the story, if you ain't straight white male, I'm probably gonna give
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you benefited out. I think though, because that comment was more than about
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just benefit of the doubt. They were suggesting that we were ranking well,
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not you, but perhaps me or perhaps the collective conversation was higher rank than
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some people. Well because of that. It was done by Nea the cost
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of black director, and they're, you know, and you have black people
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or people colored films that had nothing to do with it, that had And
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that's the way I took that comm and just personally that had absolutely nothing to
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do with it. I don't care that Nia directed it and that she's a
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black woman all the other side, That's not how I felt about what I
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felt about the film. I looked at it objectly as everything with the exceptional
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guardians. Obviously we keep talking about Guardians as the exclusion is. But I
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just I have not been having fun with a lot of Marvel movies, a
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lot of TV shows, and then with this I was entertained. I was
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having fun for me. It had the levity I wanted. It had a
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lot of stupid shit in it too, that I was like, I could
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have done without. And also at the end of the day, I felt
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that it was generally empty. It was just a means to an end,
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the end being the post credit scenes. It didn't really mean anything. I
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also communicated that I'm still not really connected to Monica like that, like I
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wanted more time with her because I don't. I don't even think I really
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fuck with her like that, to be quite honest with you, And I
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had said that or a variation of that in the review. And then I
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you know, I still don't like Brie Larson's Captain Marvel like that, but
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she was better to me, ten times better than it was in the Captain
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Marvel film. And then lastly, Amvelaani is fucking incredible, absolutely outstanding,
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perfect d star. I still stand behind all that agreed. And as far
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as Loki, there was a couple of things I will say, like there's
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some little cute shit right that people pointed out on Twitter, like the last
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line that Sylvie and Mobyas say to Loki is the same last line that Odin
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said to Loki before he fell away, and Loki says the same thing to
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them that he says to Odin. Yeah, and so that's that, you
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know, Marvel loves to do that type of stuff, you know, because
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they have all these references they can make to their own films. So that's
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cute. And the telegraph of the beginning of the MCU about or the beginning
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of Loki story in the MCU where it's like they talked about the world tree
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and then him being the world tree. Like, Okay, I got it.
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It wasn't missed, y'all. It wasn't missed. But but then there's
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stuff that I did like that I didn't think about because I had forgotten.
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This part of the myth of Loki is that Loki in myths gets chained to
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a rock and it's torture, part of his big torture. And so in
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this once again he gets chained to the rock. It's a throne. He
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gets his glorious purpose that he always wined. He always just a throne,
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but he has to suffer for it. He has to lose all his friends,
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et cetera, et cetera. He's loss to Tommy because now it's he's
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literally the glue that's holding together the multiverse. Yeah, and I do see
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the way that they could just eliminate Kane from the picture right now depends on
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how Yeah, because they could easily make it where the TVA just takes terricanes
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and that's just not a big deal to them. I mean, that's what
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they say at the end of the and they're just hunting the king very or
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monitoring THEYM not say hunting, but monitoring, and then one gets lout of
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line, maybe they start hunting them. Yeah, so that was cool.
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I guess, you know, listen, I again, like I and I
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know a lot of people disagreed with this this comment, but like I didn't
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necessarily like all the ways they took to get there, Like some of it
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asked a good question. They said, well, y'all, they felt that
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we talked a lot about stuff we didn't like. So what would we have
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wanted, what we have wanted to to see better? Maybe we could talk
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more about that. I would have wanted to see a more thorough through line
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for Loki, and I definitely would have liked to see a lot more from
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Sylvie than we did. I felt like Sylvia, now you kept saying that
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character became a bit of a prop And then I kind of agree with one
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choice they made for Sylvie is the fact that she just wants to be left
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alone and eat McDonald's and do nothing because she's been hunted all this time.
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But at the time piece yeah, at the same time working in McDonald's,
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I don't know, I just want to look better, Like fuck that,
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I'm you know, I can do anything. But I guess also is it
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I don't know if you've ever seen the Devil sup part time, But it's
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also like when you've literally had everything you can absolutely ever want, and yes,
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you're you're hunting, You're you're a god, right, why sometimes you
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just want the most mundane stuff because that's just the random ship that makes you
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happy. So yeah, so that part of it I can understand. I
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just would have liked to see more of her in the series, I guess.
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Yeah. And then with Loki, I just felt like his character kind
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of was like especially Okay, I think that people have this thing because they
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conflate the two Lokis. Right. We had the first Loki who dies in
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the Infinity Infinity War War, and then we have this Loki who comes from
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just having destroyed New York and wanting to do all the evil shit that Loki
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was about you know, his Gloria's purpose, and then he spends some time
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with Mobius in them, but it's like he watches a movie of his life
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and he's just supposed to be this We're supposed to conflate him with the old
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Loki, the one who's been through years of change, had all this redemption
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art, and I really don't feel like that was just Loki. And earlier
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in season two they made some points where it's like Loki, like, you
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know, we are God, Sylvie, and I thought that was a very
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interesting take where it's like, no, this is still that Loki who is
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still the evil Loki, or who still sees himself as a god that people
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should bow down to. And then suddenly, do you think from that it
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felt like my end? No, if it's there's that moment, and then
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the other big moment is when he tells Sylvie, I just want my friends
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back. So it's like, what do you really which one is it?
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Loki? Is it are you this god who wants to rule over people?
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Or are you the Loki from later years who knows the value of friendship with
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Thor and everything? But that this Loki doesn't know that. I mean he
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knows all that they both end up at the same route. One learns it
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through thor one loans it through his friendship with Mobius, which I get.
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I don't know, like overall, I think it it was it was like
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the stuff I wanted. It was like almost there, it was almost yes.
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And I had to echo that, like I felt like there were like
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points it was like, oh, you almost had it, Like let's get
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a little bit deeper. And that's and we both mentioned that that we felt
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that there was some There was a lot of surface level stuff necessarily not necessarily
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a deeper dive or even a deeper explanation or illustration of things. Like I
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talked a lot about how I didn't give a fuck that they said billions of
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people are dying on the timeline. There was no substance or of weight to
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any of that stuff. So you guys repeating it to me over and over
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again and having be fifteen crying about it and all that stuff, I'm just
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like, girl, what the fuck? Who cares? This is a squiggle
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on the screen, Like it just didn't mean anything to me. And I
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think there were a lot of things where they they do words, they try
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to say this means something, but I didn't feel anything right. And then
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they moved on to some some something on an episode that was entertaining, and
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I was fine, right, Like I was all right, whatever, cool
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to have such a potentially powerful end to at least to Loki. But then
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a lot of having in so many we've mentioned it being time was time wasters
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of things that don't matter. I think that was kind of my things I
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would have I would have gotten it had to be presented differently for me,
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it had to be presented differently. I just think that there could have been
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maybe some different decisions made. And I don't know what you want to say,
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the writing or what the direction to where like I would and like I
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said, like it's one thing is like Michael Waldron, you know they it
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was they wrote both seasons. You know, this is the same writing team
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throughout the whole thing, so they had the point they were getting to.
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I don't know, I just feel it was the same. Yeah. I
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just feel like, so is it the direction? No? I just I
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don't know, man, I just feel like it felt also say what it
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is? It felt different to me, and it's a different And I keep
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calling to the director because This wasn't Kate Herron's. This was I'm not sure
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who the director was for this season, but yeah, it was. This
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was a markedly different feel and and like I said when I first fund the
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first when I watched the first episode, I was like, all right,
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this is great. It's great. And I remember when I first told Ben
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that. Ben was just like, nah, bro, nothing fucking happened and
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back where it started, and I was like, man, what the fuck
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are you talking about, and like like not arguing, but we were going
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back and forth quite some time. And then I sat there was like I
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watched it again. I said, oh shit, he's right, like literally
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like nothing happened or they were or not so much. Nothing happened. They
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began where they started right in the very first episode, and then for something
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that only had six episodes, it was like, damn, precious time wasted.
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And then it's like they made they waste so much precious time on things
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that just really don't matter in the end, like low Ki pruning himself there.
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That scene Loan is so slowly done and it's acting like it's this big
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moment. A lot of scenes are like that, where things happened very slowly
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yeah, because like they keep they keep referencing back to it. Did it
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matter, Like was I trying to say something like you're saving yourself look like
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and that's saying there were so many of these like pseudo ideas and ideas that
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maybe didn't translate all the way for me, And again I didn't. It
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didn't mean a bad series. I thought it was entertaining. I enjoyed my
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time mostly. I just spoke on things that you know, I just didn't
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necessarily rock with. Like I knew it wasn't gonna work from the first few
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episodes that I saw, and I still enjoyed myself. It wasn't like Moonlight,
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where I knew it wasn't gonna work. And by the end of it,
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I was like, this felt like a waste of time, And I
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felt like the writers didn't really when Night was boring, Bro, when I
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got boring for me, I never probably boring as much as in hindsight when
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I when I when I went back in hindsight, not when I was watching
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it. I just you know, we talked about how some stuff was weird,
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but in hindsight it was boring. Yeah, in hindsight, it's just
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a waste of time. For me, it was just like it just didn't
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make sense in the end, and it I don't care at all. So
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this is better than that. You know, this was a you know,
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just had the imagery at the end that we both said in our first view
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that was just absolutely amazing. Some of the best cgs as some of the
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everything that marvels done recently. Just the imagery and what they he was trying
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to make Loki represent at that point, and the selfless nature of his action
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and all that stuff like that. That's not lost upon me that I thought
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that was fire. It's just the horns growing and being like that ship that
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went, they were growing out of the same materials he remains thrown and stuff.
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That shit was hard, but yeah, moving gone. Damn, this
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is not going to get better. Uh, I think you've got to see
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movie. I got to see it's getting better. Man. Listen, you're
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gonna hear differently. You're gonna hear a lot of people say, oh,
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this is one of the best Disney films and start start no, no,
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I'll get there, this is one of the best Disney films. And you
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might hear a smaller minority that'd be like, nah, son, and I'm
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in a smaller minority. This is about the film. Whish I saw the
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film today and by the time you see this then Bargo would be up.
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So don't worry. I'm not gonna spoil it for anybody who's interested. I
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will just give my take and and I and I wrote a take on it
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as I was in the theater, like literally as the film was going.
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That's how strong I felt about it. And I said, you know what,
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to to get this out now because one like like we did with Ben,
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like maybe I need to sleep on it. I just don't want to
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be so harsh, but I will say my honest opinion. I was not
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a fan. I am a I love animated films, okay, I love,
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love, love them. I'm not the type of like, oh it's
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animated for kids. No, Like, yes, it could be something that's
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kid focused, but I'm usually sitting there first in line, like let's watch
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it together. So I'm all about that. I'm all about the Pixtars,
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I'm all about the dream Works, I'm all about all the stuff, and
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of course the more like upper level adult stuff like you know, DC animation
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shit like that. Okay, fine, Namona that's Netflix, you know what
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I'm saying. But anyway, and of course all my notes just deleted.
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Fantastic, but I felt it was fairly contrived. I felt it was fairly
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contrived. The film is derived off the idea, literally just the general brand
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idea of when you wish upon a star, it's gonna be Disney's one hundredth
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anniversary, right, So someone in some room somewhere said, hey, let's
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make a story using that as a catalyst. Right, when you wish upon
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the star makes no difference. You are like the idea of dreams and and
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and that being your heart and all this other stuff. So they came up
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with this story. I don't I need to go read more of this is
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based on like there was a book written about it, or just just this
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is a treatment. But point is, that was the basis. And what
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it ended up with to me was a like a poor attempt at making a
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meaningful Disney movie that has been done a million times better by so many other
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films. This film, this film referenced all like like like old school Disney
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films, and it was blatant references too, and some that were more subtle.
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Great whatever, but I felt nothing. I did not connect with the
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characters at all, Like even the main one, there was like most of
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the characters not at all. Let me not say all most of the characters
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I didn't really connect with. I didn't really get into it or even like
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smile or laugh until like well deep into the movie. And even then it
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was like twice, I gotta keep prefacing this, I love this type of
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stuff, y'all. So I was supremely disappointed in just how it just felt
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formula leg and it felt very rope to me, and it was it was
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so I would say this. It was just so many things that was just
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so absolutely silly, Like it was just like if you're a kid, you're
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a kid's will and I'm talking about like three years old on up, they
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probably will love this. And I'm not saying that you have to be that
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age love because there was people who were adults who you'll see their reviews.
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They're gonna say, oh, this was so heartwarming, thiss with this and
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that, and good for you, that's great. I didn't feel that heart.
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I didn't feel that heart. I felt corporate, all right. Before
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I asked one question, I asked the first question, what did you enjoy
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abody the villain. The villain, Oh well, I gotta be I gotta
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tell too too. But I liked the villain was actually like for me going
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back to the days of true really Disney villains. The villain was across for
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me between Ja'afar and Ursula and chewing the fucking scenery at his best. Chrispine
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did that, he did. I actually did enjoy it like like and I
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and it was telegraphs. It was a villain so early. And that's the
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thing. There's so many things like super telegraph, especially like the singing.
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There's lots and lots of singing, and some of the shit is just so
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like silly. It's like, why are we doing this? What about the
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animation? The animation? I did also like the animation. Those are two
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things I liked. Villain animation, the animation. I need to know more
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about the process. For me, that was the most important thing about this
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film. I need to really know what process they used for it's because I
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think it was a lot of hand drawn stuff, but it was also like
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cell shady and there were also it was like a mixture and I just haven't
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seen that animation or at at least in that combination, Like, I haven't
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seen something as unique looking like this since like Spider Verse, and even Spider
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Verse is hard to compare it to because Spider Verse has like literally twenty thirty
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different animation styles in one but just as far as this unique look, and
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I mentioned just even going back to like the original style of hand drawing,
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it was even stuff that I saw I was watching, I'm like, yo,
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is this mocap? Like there had to be a mixture of things going
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on. So there were certain scenes where I was like, Yo, this
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shit looks fucking gorgeous. So from the way it looks, I was with
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it, you know, I was very interested and as I said, I
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want to learn more about that process, that behind the scenes of how they
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made it. And again the villain, I fucked with the villain. Thought
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the villain was cool. But otherwise, like I was just like, Okay,
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it feels like one. It feels like that everybody is doing a lot
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more the combination of combination of animation now because combination, because they got the
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between you know, Spider Verse, Pnemona Puss Some Boots, which is one
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of my all time favorite films. Now put some Boots to the last wish,
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it's absolutely amazing. If you haven't seen it yet, everybody's doing that
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and I love it because you know, it's a shake up and it's just
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fresh and it's working. So the story, I guess ain't doing it.
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But I'm glad you like Chris Pine. I'm glad you like the animation.
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And that was my last comment is that it feels like this might be the
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what is that rady player goal of Ready Player one? Yeah, ready player
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one? Well, you know, you know, this actually might do good
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because like I said, it actually is like I could see kids, like
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there were kids. I'm sure it was a media. Yeah, it was
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all mein screen. There were kids in there because you know, when when
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the rating is lower, though, the kids can come in and and they
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were having you know, they were laughing at a lot of stuff because it's
24:03
a lot of the silliness, you know, just see the stupid shit that's
24:06
happening where it's all right cool, but it's like and I said, and
24:08
the reason why, and like I said, I'm I'm I really hope this
24:12
is not coming off harsh. I'm just trying to be honest and rounded.
24:15
And what I'm saying maybe it does sound large, but like, how can
24:18
you know it's a Disney movie. It's a minute. Disney has been having,
24:23
has had fire movies for many, many years. Okay, fire,
24:29
I mean things more unconto Moana. You could talk about the Frozen films like
24:34
shit, that's high caliber to me, right, you know what I'm saying,
24:38
And I mean Pixar high fucking Cowbird DreamWorks high fucking Like a lot of
24:44
that stuff you see is just the story is there and you feel the heart
24:48
and it's like, okay, oh, y'all got y'all, y'all, y'all
24:52
brought me into this like right away, I will connect. And I felt
24:56
nothing. You never feel like Ready Player one. Yeah, And because that's
25:02
how I felt with Ready Player one, Like it was all kinds of references
25:04
to stuff I grew up on and I felt nothing. I felt absolutely nothing
25:10
from that first Well, I think I like Ready Pay one better than you.
25:12
But I also say I don't remember a thing about it. Besides all
25:15
the random chapters, I don't remember anything about it. I was just like,
25:21
ooh, Sonic, you know, so this person that person, like,
25:26
yeah, that's a that's like, that's not a movie. That's a
25:29
bunch of commercials. It is, and I mean this this kind of and
25:33
perhaps again this is fitting for the theme the hundredth anniversary, you know.
25:37
Yeah, they got a stunt. They they touch on like like literally seven
25:41
dwarves, you know, Cinderella, every every classic Disney movie is reference in
25:47
this way somehow. But to me, it's not done so it could be
25:51
done better. I don't know, I feel you like, I think Record
25:53
Ralph did a great job with you know, reference to Disney joints. Oh
25:59
Disney Record did what yes? Yes? And also I was saying the better
26:02
video game movie, too, right, the better video game reference movie,
26:06
oh easily easy. Yeah, So what I recommended listen wish wasn't for me,
26:11
but I know it's for somebody. If you're a big Broadway singing in
26:17
the first forty five seconds type thing, big, that's you, it's all
26:21
you boo. And again I do think children would like this. There's nothing
26:25
particularly scary in this besides the villain just being like really really mean. But
26:30
you'll be fine. But again, it wasn't for me. I think it
26:33
is for somebody. So there you are, there you go. All right,
26:38
let's see before we get out of here tonight we do you know,
26:42
like we said this the holidays, everybody sitting at home with the family and
26:47
everything, the family, you know, so we wanted to give you some
26:49
recommendations, talk about some things we've been watching, you know, even you
26:53
know, I got some actually comics I copped. You know, we've been
26:56
I've been reading again and you know, it's a few things we've been talk
26:59
about, you know. But see, first off, I did want to
27:03
talk about We just recorded an episode that you've probably seen by now or heard
27:07
by now, where we watch the trailer for Blue Eyes Samurai, and I
27:12
really want to give a strong, strong recommendation to this show. It's on
27:18
Netflix right now. All episodes are out. It's really incredible. It tells
27:22
the story of a blue eye Samurai, a young woman born in Japan to
27:29
a Japanese mother, and she's born of sexual assault by one of four white
27:34
men, and she goes as she grows up, she becomes the samurai herself
27:41
and has to hide her blue eyes from the world and the fact that she's
27:45
a woman, you know, because she's a samurai, and so she does
27:48
all this stuff so she can go on a revenge mission against these men.
27:52
And that's the base of the story and it's extremely fire. I was as
27:57
soon as I heard the premise. And and the storyline comes from Michael Green
28:02
and his wife whose name, once again I cannot remember, but they're both
28:04
the co creators and it comes from this when she had a child, she
28:10
was relieved that her child came out with blue eyes, and because of that,
28:15
she was like, Yo, what the fuck, I gotta examine myself,
28:18
I gotta check myself. I gotta figure out where this comes from.
28:21
And so that's where the genesis of the story comes from. And I really
28:25
love what they've done with it. Like we were just talking about animation,
28:26
that animation is insane. Every fight that I've seen so far, I've seen
28:32
the first three episodes. Every fight scene is like either a different setting or
28:37
different styles that I've read some articles where they're talking about how the main characters
28:41
and animation is like and her fight styles are a bunch of different styles.
28:47
And his wife's name. His wife's name is Amber Noizumi. Yes, bitch,
28:51
shout out to Amber no Zumi. Who did that? Michael Green,
28:55
y'all both did that on this The idea is brilliant. The story is brilliant,
28:59
a brilliant everything about it. Voice appings so far, incredible references,
29:04
all the history you're getting of Japanese culture. Just well done. Man,
29:11
I'm loving it, like for real. Definitely peep this as soon as possible.
29:15
Yeah, all episodes are, you can watch it. I would not
29:18
say this ain't the family watch like wish. This shit's hella violent? Hello
29:22
adult? Yeah, I don't want to kind every episode starts with the Netflix
29:26
strong Central situations intends violence. You know all that. Every episode I've seen
29:32
so far starts with always Always, Every every problem in violence is listened at
29:38
the beginning of this. So yeah, I would not say it's for kids,
29:44
but I would say it's for people who enjoy great story and everything else
29:48
here far. Yeah, I want to recommend Castlevania noc Turn if. First
29:56
of all, I y'all haven't seen the Castlevania series. I'm a big fan
29:59
of Zabini series on Netflix. Right in general, shout out to Addie Shankar
30:03
all that Casslvinian not turned this version of the it's a spin off of the
30:08
original Casavania series. It focuses on the French during the French Revolusion, right,
30:15
and the greatest thing about it is that there's fucking black people in this,
30:18
So it's great. It focuses on one of the you have my curiosity,
30:26
but now yes, I know, Candy Land, Okay. It focuses
30:32
on the Senate of the Belmont you know, the famous Belmont family, the
30:37
vampire slaying family, Richter Belmont, Richter Okay, Richter, yes, okay,
30:47
played by Edward Bluemel. The the black characters. The black woman character
30:52
she is, I believe they came. She came over from Haiti, if
30:56
I'm not mistaken, over to France. But her her name is. Her
31:00
character's name is a Nette played by Thusu and Bethu. And if you don't
31:06
know who that is, if you saw a woman king, uh, the
31:10
breakout starret to me a woman king. Thus so she she she plays a
31:15
net. And then there is a charatterin Maria and Renard played by Pixie Davies.
31:18
There's a bunch of more. There's more people in this. One of
31:22
my favorite characters is paid by your boy, Zon mclarnen of of both Hawkeye
31:30
Echo and Reservoir Reservation Dog Fames. Reservation Dog Fames, you play big.
31:38
He plays a character named All Rocks and when I say that's again one of
31:41
my favorite characters in that series because of the character design, the character story
31:48
and the arc and all the information you find out about it, like just
31:51
insane and Cassavania, like if you like that whole macabre maybe slight mcuod,
31:59
but you know, like the vampire stories, you know, vampire slang and
32:02
all that stuff, and again set in a period time. I mean,
32:06
it's good from that pertective, but what goes harder is again the animation,
32:10
the story, the character acting, and the fucking action. My god,
32:15
my god. And I like that because, like I mentioned, you know,
32:20
having black characters, they also reference African folklore. They also reference you
32:24
know, like the power of ancestors, you know, things that you saw
32:29
a lot in like places like Black Panther and s shes like that. Like
32:31
they they pull that into this and it's just so fucking well done. It's
32:37
so so good, Like I've been it's been I think it's been like over
32:40
a week now since I finished her, two weeks now since I finished it,
32:43
and I'm still thinking about this damn show. It's so fucking good.
32:47
Oh. For those who who love Pea Valley Alarica Johnson. She is also
32:52
in that she is the voice actor of Zebeth. No, Notabeth, she's
32:58
the voice actor of Urzabeth. Like main bitch, which is I forgot her
33:01
name? Oh Drotha. Yeah, so listen listen, not her main bitch.
33:08
No, that's her main bitch. Bro, you need to watch this
33:12
ship. When you see Trota Ni No, like this show is every episode
33:17
I'm like, nigga, like it's it's it's on point. Ben. I
33:21
know you said you try watching the first Castlovania series and you wasn't really into
33:24
it. Try this one, please, No, I am. I am
33:28
got me interested. Now you got my interest in the fact that it's not
33:30
connected to the first one. So because like I said, I watched like
33:34
two or three episodes of the first one, did nothing for me. One
33:37
of my best friends like it's one of the best shows ever. I was
33:38
like, yeah, whatever, be I don't care. It's one of them.
33:42
It's one of the fucking best shows. Well, I'm gonna try with
33:44
this one. You know now, like I say, blue Eye Samurai is
33:46
running the game right now and animation you know these for series, So if
33:51
it's up there with that, you know, I will and everything you said
33:54
so far has me quite interested. The ancestors, Black People, Vamp one
34:00
of my favorite things. I was meaning to watch Lost Boys over during holiday,
34:05
I mean during the Halloween season, and I didn't, So I gotta
34:07
watch it at some point again this year because it's just one of my favorite
34:09
films ever, I love pretty much. I mean, I don't know a
34:14
vampire movie I've ever seen that I really disliked. For that matter, you
34:16
know, well I don't. I just I really don't think you're gonna dislike
34:21
this. While it's good to have that Caslvania understanding, like you don't necessarily
34:27
need to have watched the first like any of the first few, like the
34:30
original or the spinoffs, because like, like the history is there, and
34:34
like, yes, you'll have a deeper understanding, but it's not required it
34:37
really is it. And also, and I can tell you that for sure
34:39
because someone of that stuff. I forgot even what happened in every last Caslvania
34:45
show that I've seen or episode that scene, But it wouldn't matter, Like
34:47
you'll be fine, okay, cool, You'll be able to the end,
34:52
probably won't won't be as monumental to you, like the finalite as it is
34:55
to me of someone who's seen all the all the sound, but it's it
35:00
matters, trust, all right, I'll check it. I'll give it,
35:04
you know, I'll give it a spind Another one I wanted to recommend it.
35:07
I finally got into that. I know you're a huge fan of and
35:10
I'm mad late to this is The Bear on Hulu. And yeah, I
35:17
know I'm dumb late. I've actually peeped it before, I just you know,
35:21
never really sat down and watched it. And now I'm starting it,
35:24
and I know everyone you know who's seen it loves it. I just finished
35:29
the pilot and I thought the pilot was fucking incredible, And so I just
35:32
want everyone, if you haven't seen it, don't watch it, and if
35:36
you haven't seen it, don't spoil it for me just yet, because I
35:37
love that shit so far and I want to get through it all. Ben,
35:42
The Bear is I mean, it's not cinema, right, this is
35:45
television, Like you know that that this is cinema. I mean this is
35:49
television, like this is like one of the masters, Like these shows like
35:53
this are like masterclasses in storytelling and writing, like it's it's just so beautifully
35:59
done and it's heartbreaking, and it's and it's very compelling. It's so compelling
36:06
and also from a personal standpoint, like it's very authentic and real. I've
36:10
worked in a restaurant for like three years, right, and one of those
36:15
high level type restaurants where like all the ship that you're you're you've seen and
36:20
going to see in the bear, like where they say how that whole operation
36:22
works in the background, how people are interact with each other. Man,
36:27
that ship is for real. That's just for real. Yeah. And I
36:30
work at a wedding venue now where we have a kitchen staff and I'm with
36:37
them every week setting up. You know, I call everyone chef. They
36:39
call me chef or DJ you know, yeah chef. Yes, yeah,
36:44
So I see it and hear it every week, and I love them.
36:46
So I'm fully on this and I love any great TV like that, you
36:51
know, when that's me. I watch a lot of pilots and shows and
36:53
read a lot of pilots, and so when I if the pilot don't give
36:58
me, I just you know, it's like, well this, you know,
37:00
every like this is pretty sold. But the Bear's probably where I was
37:04
like, oh no, this is fucking incredible. I gotta watch a lot
37:06
more of this and one another one we talked about before. But you know,
37:12
I still have two episodes left. But when you talk about great storytelling
37:15
and just fantastic master classes, we got to mention Reservation Dogs, Yes,
37:21
because Lord have mercy. Yeah, just absolutely perfect. I think. I
37:27
think that's like three seasons of perfection. And even with two episodes left,
37:30
and people have already told me that the last two episodes are gonna have me
37:32
bawling, just like I've cried a pretty much every episode of the last Yeah,
37:38
pretty much every episode either tears of joy or tears of pain, every
37:44
episode of the last season of Reservation Dogs, and even before that there were
37:50
episodes you know, through the first I thought the ending of season two was
37:53
damned near perfect, and I'm even saying why they were gonna do a third
37:57
season, And then the third season has been breaking my heart with every episode,
38:00
and I'm like, Okay, this is why you do a third season.
38:02
Yeah, Like, when you know you could do shit like that,
38:06
I mean, that's when you're on top of your game. Shout outs to
38:08
everyone involved in that, from the writers to the directors, to the adding
38:13
to everyone of all, I hope great things come to all of you,
38:16
because you all deserve it. Facts, man, Yeah, I know there
38:22
was something else you wanted to talk about, right there Wasn't there another show
38:25
or something, you know, Caslvania? No, I mean there's other shows
38:30
that I've enjoyed, but no, really like Castlevania, is it. That's
38:32
the one. That's the one that if you haven't don if you do not
38:37
have the ship in your queue, like I'm stuttering because it's so fucking incredible.
38:39
If you do not have the ship in your queue, add that ship
38:43
a SAP, sit your fucking ass down and watch this shit. It's so
38:47
good. Yeah. I'll say the same about Blue Eyed Blue Eyes Samurai.
38:53
I know people have been recommending Stavenger's reign. I don't know what the fuck
38:58
that is, but I don't know, but people have been recommending that.
39:00
You can look it up. Also, just this joint I want to peep
39:05
on Netflix, Wounded massacos in it be fifteen Okay, Okay, it's animated,
39:14
Okay, okay. A crew of the remaining crew of a damage interstellar
39:20
freighter ship find themselves stranded on a beautiful, yet unforgiving alien planet, where
39:23
they must survive long enough to escape or be rescued. As the survivors struggle
39:28
to locate their downship and missing crewmates, their new home reveals a hostile world
39:32
allowed to thrive without human interference. All right, what's that on? It
39:38
is? Want? I want to say Netflix, but I could be wrong.
39:43
Oh HBO Max, Okay, HBO Max, Yeah, I might,
39:49
I can't. I can't hold you. The premise doesn't really strike me,
39:52
but I will see it based on who's in this. Let's see. I
39:57
think I saw the animation and it looked behind the interesting that I wasn't like,
40:00
I want to watch this. I mean only because that story has been
40:04
done many time, not to say that you can't watch the story with the
40:06
same premise and get something out of it. That's just just just just to
40:09
answer why. I was just like, okay, cool about the premise.
40:12
But yeah, pretty much. But I watched this, I mean because people
40:15
are making noise, right, So I've heard you have asked us about it,
40:21
so yeah over the holiday. Yeah, we talked about some other stuff
40:27
on the other episode, so you can keep that as well. I do
40:30
want to do a real quick comics all up, comics go. That's even
40:39
better that one. That reverb on there, yeah, with that reverb,
40:43
but the whole fuck up the first time makes it even better. So yeah,
40:45
I've been back. I mean, I've you know, stayed reading like
40:50
you know, of course, all the mainstream stuff like X Men, Red,
40:52
Immortal X Men. They're coming to the end of the Cocohen era.
40:55
I've been loving every issue, this whole war on More that's going on,
41:00
and that's been read. It's just been I mean every issue, y'all.
41:05
Al Ewing is just doing God's work. You know, He's been doing it
41:08
throughout Sword and now on Ed been Red, but this Mars War, every
41:15
issue it's just been like, Yo, this shit so lit. And then
41:19
over an Immortal X Men you got them dealing with the fallout from the big
41:22
Orchest attack and that's been great. I'm really sad to see this per Coning
41:27
era end, and I think both Karing Gilling and Ewing are leaving X Men.
41:34
Oh shit, we're Yeah. I don't know if he's taking over who
41:37
I can trust after that. So I mean, listen, I'm always gonna
41:43
kudos whoever else gets it, because you must you must have got it for
41:45
a reason. But damn, I mean, it's like they had Hickman who
41:49
did this thing, you know, and started this pre coning era, and
41:51
then gilling you know a lot of yeah, a lot of people gilling Ewing.
41:57
A lot of people held it down after them. But we'll see,
42:00
we'll see what happens with That's man. But I've been loving it. But
42:02
I've been finally getting to check, I mean, catch up on some independent
42:07
joints, which I always love. And I want to give a bit shout
42:09
out to the Oddly Pedestrian Life of Christopher Chaos. But the author is I
42:15
think it's James Tenian and art is done by a good friend of the show
42:21
and friend of mine, Isaac Goodheart. Yes, The Oddly Pedestrian Life of
42:27
Christopher Chaos follows a teenager Christopher Chaos, who is basically a teenage mad scientist,
42:32
and I do mean mad scientists in the vein of insane, doing weird
42:37
experiments that are going to lead to horror and pain. And during his he
42:45
basically is his kid and he's trying to like submerge that side of himself throughout
42:51
his life. And then during at the beginning of the series, he starts
42:54
meeting other kids at his high school. He finds out that the boy he
43:00
has a crush on happens to be a werewolf, and he sees this boy
43:04
get killed by a group of white ghosts basically you would call him. And
43:09
that's basically the first five pages of the series. And from there against he
43:15
meets a Frankenstein version, he meets a vampire, he meets a young woman,
43:21
he meets the Legendary Monsters version. Well there's that, and then there's
43:24
this young woman who has cat spirits floating around her. I'm not sure what
43:30
she's supposed to reference. She's not like an eggician. It might be some
43:36
Egyptian god types. Submit yeah, like set because it feels like sat met
43:39
from breaking the divine. It gives me that same feeling of especially the glowing
43:45
cat imagery around her. So could be maybe she's the Mummy, you know.
43:50
I guess that would make sense. But very interesting. The first four
43:54
is Shoes have Me Hooked. I was like pissed off. Oh I think
43:58
the fish issue just dropped today. Well, whenever we're recording is right now,
44:02
November fifteenth. This just dropped today. And I was mad when I
44:06
finished the fourth issue because it was like, oh, I shouldn't be reading
44:07
this in trade even because this is that good. But the single issues are
44:13
out right now, so make sure you check that out. Also want to
44:15
give a shout out to Tales of Risha's which I have not read yet,
44:19
but it's by Hugo Canto. It's a graphic novel African heroes and you know,
44:24
African imagery and mythology with the Arisias, so that's why I picked it
44:29
up. And also less but definitely not least well, Star Signs from Saladin
44:35
a Med is out right now. Star Signs is a book from Image Comics
44:39
and it features a group of characters who come together because all of them have
44:44
powers related to their star sign you know, so shut up, yep,
44:50
the zodiac and all that. So shout out to Saladin. Another friend of
44:52
the show. Is that similar to Scorpio. It is shout out Scorpio.
44:57
Yeah, we got Storpio and Star Signs, you know, to zodiac books
45:01
out there that you can check out both of them. And now the one
45:05
that I really want to give a shout out because I've been waiting to fucking
45:07
read this book is A Righteous Thirst for Vengeance by Rick Reminder legendary author and
45:15
another friend of the show, Andre Lima Arajo, Brazilian who I've probably butchered
45:22
your last name, and Andrea. I'm so sorry about that. But Andre
45:25
was somebody I found out through Wicked and Divine. He illustrated a couple issues
45:30
of Wicked and Divine. He's a Brazilian artist. I want to if I
45:35
I'm pretty hundredsent sure about that. And he's amazing, Like I knew Andre
45:40
was amazing from Wicked and Vine, but a righteous thirst for vengeance is I'm
45:47
I bought the oversized draphic novel, which I recommend you do. It's forty
45:51
bucks and it is an oversized you get it's beautiful, Like every page Andre's
45:58
art is so in need. He eats his oversized treatment, So I would
46:01
recommend buying the forty dollars oversized version of it. Okay, And I really
46:06
can't even tell you exactly what it's about so far. It features this main
46:09
character who is an Asian man and he it's like it's it's kind of a
46:15
mystery how it's jetting into it. But it starts off and he's just You're
46:19
like, okay, it's going about following this drive in his daily life,
46:22
and you're learning things about him, and then he at one point pulls out
46:27
a dark web connection and lugs onto this assassin's gill basically website, and and
46:34
that's and that's all I really want to say about it. You know,
46:37
I would say the arts amazing. Rick Reminder is you know a legendary comic
46:40
book writer who's written too many series to name, but if you you know,
46:45
you know the name, and he's a beast and Andre is killing it
46:50
on the art. And it's an interesting story. It's quite violent from the
46:52
jump. You know, the name of it is a righteous thirst for vengeance,
46:55
so you know which, again, it is definitely a noir story.
47:00
It feels like hard boiled, like a you know, Korean or Japanese no
47:05
or you know something. It looks like something that would definitely be a series.
47:09
I would love to see it, So make sure you pick it up.
47:13
And that's it for comments like cop right now, Okay, that's what's
47:16
uping yep, job, Yeah, thank you. This was actually a really
47:22
good bonus episode. Yes, and I'm I mean it's not very bonus.
47:24
I mean, you know, we dropped us every week, but you know,
47:27
this is the holidays and you know, I'm I'm a fin exhausted right
47:30
now, So you know, let's do the people all the information they need
47:35
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sure if you haven't, if you missed it, go online to the Natural
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Museum of African American History and Cultures YouTube page and watch the panel that we
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moderated at the beginning or what mid damn, I feel like it was just
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yesterday, right it was October. Make sure y'all watch our panel, okay,
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where we spoke with Eve Viewing, we spoke with Jonathan Gale's, and
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we spoke with Tim Fielder about comics and afro futurism. It was an incredible
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time. We appreciate everything. Thank you, Leslie, appreciate you and everybody
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over at the museum for for for having us and just in general, like
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we just want everybody to be safe, be happy, be healthy, listen
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so much to all the patrons. I know we got a new one today.
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I want to give a bit shout out. I don't I do not
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remember your name, but I was DJing the other night. I mean actually
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like twice. I was djaing at the wedding. Someone came up to me,
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like, y'all listen to the show. And then I was djaing at
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another event and this young woman came up to me and she was so hyped.
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We took a picture and if you're listening to this, please post it
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and tab me because I haven't seen it and I don't know if you tagged
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me. But she was so hyping, like it was so funny because she
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just could not believe I was there standing there djaying. I'm like, well,
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I live in Brooklyn. It happens. He's your favorite Neighborhood Superhero Day.
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So here I am, and thank you for listening, and thank you
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for taking that picture, and just thank you for supporting. Thank you to
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everyone out there. We're coming down to the end of the year, so
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thank y'all for supporting us on our tenth anniversary. Who's been crazy? And
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also go ahead. I don't know, well maybe something else, but this
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was going back to the the moderating the panel. We met with a young
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creator, young artist, and I know we gave you our contact details.
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Oh they reached out to us, big Did they reach out? I haven't
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Yes, Okay, they know they sent me. Maybe I sent you.
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Yes, I'll four it to you. I was gonna say I hadn't heard
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from you, and I just want to make sure we connect with you because
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we want to get you like plugged in. So you're incredible, You're amazing,
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and I hope you're listening to this. And we didn't forget you,
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or I didn't forget you. I know, Ben didn't forget you. I
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just did not see anything. But I'm glad to hear that your stuff came
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through. Yeah, no, it did. It's just been a lot going
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on, and especially on that know that's what I did want to do.
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I wanted to give a big rest in peace and traveling mercies to my brother
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Kenneth Gregory, who sadly passed away recently. And you know, Kenneth I
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went to. I'm calling him Kenneth, but Kenny, my dude. You
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know, I've known him since freshman year at Howard. He's a part of
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my original crew, the f Andcy Massive at Howard. And you know he's
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drawn too soon, obviously, and it's just it's a lot, you know,
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it's been a real rough year. It's been a you know, a
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real blessed year, but it's been a very rough year as well. You
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know, it's been a lot of life and a lot of death. So
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you know, shout outs to you know, my brother Kenny, Shout out
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to your family, your friends, the whole Fancy Massive, you know,
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and blessings man. You know. But like I say, it's the same
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time, shout out to my brother Marcus Heleen, who I wrote my children's
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book with, and congratulations to him on the birth of his new son.
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So you know what I mean. It's a cycle of life, man,
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And on we go. Yeah,