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Drunken female podcaster yells, 'F**K the cops,' mows down & kills officer · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: F the cops. F the cops. If I say what this,
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Speaker 1: thirty two year old woman Jessica Bouvet said, it would
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Speaker 1: totally get beaped out. Now in our country, we have
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Speaker 1: the right to free speech. You can say F the
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Speaker 1: cops all you want to till you're blue in the face.
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Speaker 1: But when you run down a motorman out working a
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Speaker 1: homicide scene at two am in the morning, sever his
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Speaker 1: leg his legos flying into the air, leaving a widow
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Speaker 1: and two little children behind, Suddenly your podcast rants of
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Speaker 1: F the Police take on a whole new meaning. We
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Speaker 1: want justice? Will we get it? First of all, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this. In a podcast posted on Facebook
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Speaker 1: Monday night, thirty two year old Jessica Beauvais of Hempstead
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Speaker 1: directed expletives at police officers and sipped drinks while she
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Speaker 1: was demonizing these police officers. She decided to make other
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Speaker 1: bad choices and spend the evening drinking, and she admitted
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Speaker 1: that she smoked marijuana as well. Just hours after the podcast,
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Speaker 1: as alleged in a thirteen count criminal complaint, Beauvais hit
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Speaker 1: NYPD officer Anastasio Sakos as he directed traffic away from
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Speaker 1: an earlier crash on the lie ramp to the Clear
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Speaker 1: View Expressway. Sakos, a husband and father of two, was
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Speaker 1: thrown into the air and landed in a nearby patch
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Speaker 1: of grass. The scene that Sosakos was working ended up
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Speaker 1: being a vehicular homicide scene. Somebody died in that scene.
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Speaker 1: And while he is out on the highway, the Lie
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Speaker 1: the Long Island Expressway, people fly like batside of hell
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Speaker 1: on the lye. He's trying to protect that scene and
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Speaker 1: ends up dead. His wife and children at home, probably
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Speaker 1: asleep waiting for him to show up for breakfast. You know,
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Speaker 1: sometimes in this line of business you just run out
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Speaker 1: of words. Let's see if I can go to my panel,
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Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of what is happening.
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Speaker 1: First of all, doctor Sherry Schortz, forensic psychologist specializing in
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Speaker 1: capital mitigation at panther mitigation dot com. Doctor Kendall Crown's
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Speaker 1: Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, Travis County, Texas. That's Austin. And
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Speaker 1: you know how many medical examiners ever become a deputy chief?
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Speaker 1: Less than eight percent. Cheryl McCollum, forensic expert and director
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Speaker 1: of the Coldcase Research Institute. You can find her at
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Speaker 1: Coldcase Crimes dot org. Serena Fazzon, four time Emmy Award
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Speaker 1: winning investigative reporter at Serena Fazon dot Media also runs
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Speaker 1: a podcast on the Record with Serena Fazon also with Me.
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Speaker 1: Special guest today, Timothy McEwen, former motorman APD, now a
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Speaker 1: lawyer at Tim Mckewaninc. Dot com. You can also find
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Speaker 1: him at Lawyers four Cops dot com. Another interesting thing
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Speaker 1: about him, not only was he an APD and motorman
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Speaker 1: out there working the streets without the benefit of being
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Speaker 1: inside a police cruiser, he also was run down in
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Speaker 1: the line of duty. I mean, really, Tim mc when
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Speaker 1: will it end? Well? Thank you Nancy for having me. Um.
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Speaker 1: Back in nineteen ninety two, I was working a car
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Speaker 1: fire um call U the Downtown Connector in Atlanta, and
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Speaker 1: I was actually hit by a City of Atlanta fire
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Speaker 1: shruck that forced me into the street. And as you
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Speaker 1: know personally, Nancy, you were there at the hospital with
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Speaker 1: me Um and Renee Rockwell where they shattered my left hand. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know, being a motor man does not you know,
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Speaker 1: afford the colcomminate level of safety as you have in
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Speaker 1: a patrol car. So you know I was lucky that
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Speaker 1: they even saved my hand, doctor Keating. And where does
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Speaker 1: it end? Um, Well, I say doesn't end in the
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Speaker 1: Times now you know when you say that, Jim McEwan,
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Speaker 1: you're right, it doesn't end. Because as long as one
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Speaker 1: is willing to go out there and put their life
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Speaker 1: on the line, whether it is on the street or
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Speaker 1: in court and try to do the right thing, as
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Speaker 1: long as there are the bad guys out there, it
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Speaker 1: will never end. Straight out to Serena Fazzon, four time
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Speaker 1: Emmy Award winning anchor annivestigative reporter, I am sick, six
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Speaker 1: sick about this. Have you seen his wife, Irene. He's
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Speaker 1: got a three year old son, a six year old daughter.
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Speaker 1: They're just at home in bed when all of this happened.
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Speaker 1: What happened that night? Oh my gosh, Nancy, I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's beyond beyond awful. Here he is a fourteen year
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Speaker 1: veteran on the fours working, doing his job, trying to
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Speaker 1: protect people on this other traffic scene, and then you
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Speaker 1: have this woman no regard to life loaded, I mean
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Speaker 1: two guilt. And here's the other thing, Serena Fazzan, Let
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Speaker 1: me go to Cherylum director Coalcase Research Institute and FYI
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Speaker 1: former director of Mothers Against Driving Georgia Cheryl McCollum. I
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Speaker 1: didn't really need her BA breath alcohol, blood alcohol. I
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Speaker 1: don't need it because I've got her on a podcast
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Speaker 1: ranting and carrying on about f the cops, how much
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Speaker 1: they are not wanted, how much she doesn't want them
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Speaker 1: in her neighborhood, how much they deserve would they get,
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Speaker 1: and the whole time she's throwing back and liquor. I
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Speaker 1: don't need that. I can see it on her podcast, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends again at Fox five.
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Speaker 1: This is Robert Moses. Listen. According to the Queen's District Attorney,
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Speaker 1: Beauvais kept driving before exiting onto the Horace Harding Expressway.
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Speaker 1: Officers caught up to her and surrounded her car, which
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Speaker 1: she threw in reverse, ramming the police vehicle behind her
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Speaker 1: twice before stopping and getting arrested. Police say her blood
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Speaker 1: alcohol content was point one five, nearly twice the legal limit,
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Speaker 1: and that magnifies this tragedy. Such a considerate man fell
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Speaker 1: victim to utter callousness. Now his widow, Irene, and their
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Speaker 1: six year old daughter and three year old son must
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Speaker 1: carry on they will never see their father again because
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Speaker 1: somebody did the wrong thing. Okay too, Cheryl McCollum, point
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Speaker 1: one five. Isn't the legal limit point zero eight in
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Speaker 1: that jurisdiction? Point zero eight, Nancy, it's almost twice. But
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Speaker 1: here's the thing, the last thing on that tape you
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Speaker 1: just played, she says, I'm sorry? Was she sorry? Was
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Speaker 1: she stopped by her house and grabbed that bottle of
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Speaker 1: wine and the bottle of tequila and the vodka and
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Speaker 1: the weed. Okay, we wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait,
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Speaker 1: I'm drinking out of the fire eye again. Too much,
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Speaker 1: too fast? What did you just say? Oh? Yeah, she
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Speaker 1: had wine, tequila, vodka, and weed. So not only is
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Speaker 1: she doing shots on that podcast, line to go up,
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Speaker 1: vodka and weed, and she's admitted to all of that.
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Speaker 1: So again, was she sorry? Then? At six thirty seven pm?
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Speaker 1: And what was she doing after the two hour podcast? Nancy?
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Speaker 1: She goes from eight thirty pm to two am? She
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Speaker 1: wasn't what was she doing out at two am? Just curious,
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Speaker 1: not judging? What is she doing at at two am?
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Speaker 1: Do we have any idea anybody on the panel what
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Speaker 1: going to the liquor store? I don't know what what
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Speaker 1: is she doing at two am? Side driving drunk? And
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Speaker 1: another thing, speaking of driving drunk, you're the former president
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Speaker 1: mad Georgia mothers against drunk driving. So she gets off
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Speaker 1: her podcast where she just tears the police apart, cursing
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Speaker 1: them out, drinking the whole way through. Something had to
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Speaker 1: keep her blood alcohol up to point one five until
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Speaker 1: two clock in the morning, Sharyl McCollum, how much do
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Speaker 1: you think she threw back? Oh honey, she was steady
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Speaker 1: having at it. There's no question about it, because for
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Speaker 1: that six and a half hours she was not sobering up.
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Speaker 1: No way, she's driving around, I'm sure, listening to music,
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Speaker 1: having a great old time. And where is her thirteen
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Speaker 1: year old? And where is her thirteen year old child?
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I mean you won't talk
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Speaker 1: about her. That is that, sir you Serena? Yeah, guys,
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Speaker 1: we'll get to that. Where is her thirteen year old child?
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Speaker 1: During all of this climb stories with Nancy Grace, we
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Speaker 1: are talking about an officer, good as gold. Officer Anastasio
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Speaker 1: Sasako's New York PD just forty two years old, father
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Speaker 1: of two, husband now dead. He was one of the many,
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Speaker 1: many officers across this country there called traffic cops or motorman.
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Speaker 1: He's out, he's out in the elements. He's working a
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Speaker 1: crime scene where there was another vehicular homicide to a
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Speaker 1: m when his life explodes because he literally collides with
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Speaker 1: a thirty two year old woman, drunk cop hater, Jessica Bouvo.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this. Tequila, wine, vodka, marijuana. That's what police say.
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Speaker 1: The defendant was drinking and smoking in the hours before
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Speaker 1: she got into her Volkswagen and killed a beloved highway patrolman.
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Speaker 1: But now she says she's sorry. That's what she told
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Speaker 1: reporters in handcuffs. But earlier in the day, moments after
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Speaker 1: getting arrested, and I says, thirty two year old Jessica
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Speaker 1: Bouvet had a different attitude, and the last thing I
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Speaker 1: heard was all right, get the f out of my
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Speaker 1: way or stay the f O. I don't care. Now
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Speaker 1: she's facing thirteen criminal charges after running down veteran NYPD
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Speaker 1: highway patrolman and Assasio Sachos early Tuesday morning on the
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Speaker 1: l Ie. He was directing traffic after a previous fatal crash.
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Speaker 1: A twenty six year old man died when the driver
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Speaker 1: of an Infinity slammed into a pole. Then Officer Sachos
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Speaker 1: himself would die at the handful woman, who admittedly hated
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Speaker 1: the cops, posting this long rant on her Facebook page
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Speaker 1: hours before the crash. We're not scared of the police.
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Speaker 1: We want you to know we don't get about you.
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Speaker 1: Your mama, got children, your wife. Isn't it true? Tim McEwan,
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Speaker 1: former motorman, He was dragged along the highway working a scene. Now, lawyer,
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Speaker 1: isn't it true that the judge will instruct the jury
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Speaker 1: in this case that one may immediately regret the deed,
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Speaker 1: immediately regret the deed, but that does not negate the
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Speaker 1: intent at the time of the incident. Isn't that true?
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Speaker 1: Very true? Aescent, all this crying and snodding and blubbering,
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Speaker 1: how much do you think that has to do? Straight
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Speaker 1: to you, Doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologist, What does that
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Speaker 1: have to do with those handcuffs and the fact that
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Speaker 1: she got caught. I mean, my thought is listening to
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Speaker 1: her podcast, which I have done over and over and over.
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Speaker 1: She's not sorry she did it, She's sorry she got caught.
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Speaker 1: You make an excellent point, Nancy It's going to be really,
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Speaker 1: really hard for a mitigation expert or a defense attorney
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Speaker 1: to argue with all of this video audio evidence that
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Speaker 1: just hours before she's ranting up police, if you're going
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Speaker 1: to kill me, at least I get to take someone
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Speaker 1: with me. If I got to go, someone's coming. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is really not at all helpful. She's slinging back
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Speaker 1: the shots, is what it looked like to me. And
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Speaker 1: then when the police are doing the Purp Book with
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Speaker 1: her and she's in handcuffs, she's sobbing. So it's hours later,
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Speaker 1: maybe she's sobered up a little and the reality of
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Speaker 1: what she's facing has hit her. So even if she
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Speaker 1: is truly has some level of sorrow for the fact
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Speaker 1: that she killed someone, there's it's going to be really
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Speaker 1: hard to separate how much of that sorrow is poor me,
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Speaker 1: Poor me, you know, Jessica Bovo, Save the snot and
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Speaker 1: the tears and the blubbering and the wiggledy chin. Save it,
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Speaker 1: because this is what I heard you say. Let's take
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Speaker 1: a listen to cut three. It's them uncomfortable. The next
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Speaker 1: time you see an officer pulling somebody over or being
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Speaker 1: an otherwise as nosey as you is, A nose as
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Speaker 1: you is in people's business. On who's wearing what, who
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Speaker 1: we look proper, who lashes, is on flink or not.
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Speaker 1: Put your camerat stop just recording like fighting the trees
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Speaker 1: and put it on a stick. I'm just saying, Paul,
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Speaker 1: let's shout like, let's start recording these people and start
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Speaker 1: seeing what they really do and then starts setting footage in.
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Speaker 1: Don't just record for recording it make them uncomfortable. Y'all
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Speaker 1: don't belong in the hood, the hood on core police
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Speaker 1: and the people in theorhood. The dude don't belong in
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Speaker 1: the hood. Take that to Garden City, West Hampstead men passing,
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Speaker 1: stab nolin wherever the y'all keep all these people who
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Speaker 1: are scared of anything. Take that shion out there, keep
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Speaker 1: your police out there, and while y'all in our neighborhoods,
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Speaker 1: make the uncomfortable to be not skitty off rough. That's
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Speaker 1: the problem, I thin, because scattered them through y'all get
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Speaker 1: kill for sneakers and drug transactions. You can't be scattered
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Speaker 1: a police. I'm just saying, Mike'm understand that. Back to
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Speaker 1: special guest Tim mckewan, joining us and then following up
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Speaker 1: with Cheryl McCollum. The three of us have worked every
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Speaker 1: single part of Atlanta, from other rich people in North
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Speaker 1: Fulton down to South Atlanta. And there is no place
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Speaker 1: that does not need police. As you recall Tim McEwan,
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Speaker 1: then APD Motorman now lawyer are at Lawyers Forcops dot Com.
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Speaker 1: The vast majority of victims I represented and victims you
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Speaker 1: took care of were women, children, minorities that nobody seemingly
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Speaker 1: would stand up for. And now this woman is saying,
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Speaker 1: get the hay out of our neighborhood. That's not the consensus.
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Speaker 1: Trust me, she's alone. And when I think about this,
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Speaker 1: Officer an Astasius Desakos, Cheryl McCollum, we were talking about
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Speaker 1: the point one five blood alcohol. How many drinks do
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Speaker 1: you think she had? She probably had about twelve. But listen, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: she hits that man at such a high rate of
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Speaker 1: speed that she cracked his grill, dented his hood, shattered
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Speaker 1: his windshield, and then his head dented her roof his
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Speaker 1: entire body, smashed that car to pieces. She catapulted to
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Speaker 1: him a hundred feet. So if I were a prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: the very last thing I'd play for that jury is
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Speaker 1: her saying I don't give an f about you, your wife,
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Speaker 1: or your kids, because she's sure as hell didn't. If
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Speaker 1: it's on Emmy Award winning Anchor and Investigative reporter. I've
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Speaker 1: seen a lot of vehicular homicide scenes, and at the
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Speaker 1: first time I saw it, I said, why are their
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Speaker 1: shoes here? No, Actually, he's a second time because the
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Speaker 1: first time I noticed it. The second time I thought,
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Speaker 1: that's just too much of coincidence. Two vehicular homicide scenes,
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Speaker 1: two sets of shoes. This officer was hit so hard
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Speaker 1: he was knocked out of his knee high motor man boots.
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Speaker 1: It's it's so disturbing, and it's such a picture that
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Speaker 1: journalists do see that are on the scene. I can
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Speaker 1: paint the picture of what I can imagine is happening
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Speaker 1: in the newsroom. In the newsroom, you're listening to the scanners.
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Speaker 1: The scanners are going off. They're hearing about a police officer.
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Speaker 1: So of course you have immediately the newsroom, you know,
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Speaker 1: calling in extra cruise because something is very, very wrong.
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Speaker 1: Anytime anybody is hit, it's horrible. But in a case
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Speaker 1: like this, where you have a woman, you know, driving
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Speaker 1: so drunk and plowing down a police officer who's already
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Speaker 1: on a scene. Once you arrive at that scene, you know,
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Speaker 1: typically everything, of course is always all roped off, but reporters,
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Speaker 1: journalists have a little bit of a closer access. It's
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Speaker 1: also the relationships that you make with police officers in
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Speaker 1: the police department. But I honestly, as a journalist, that
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Speaker 1: is your job. But the public should never ever see
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Speaker 1: anything so horrific. Crime stories with Nancy Grace for those
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Speaker 1: of you just joining US officer Anastasia's Tsaco's New York
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Speaker 1: PD was killed on the Long Island Expressway by a
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Speaker 1: drunk driver who had just finished her podcast ranting about
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Speaker 1: her hatred for the police. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut four. This is more
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Speaker 1: of her comparing police officers officers to roaches and an infestation.
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Speaker 1: We're not scared of a police think I'm lying, asked
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Speaker 1: my son. I go onto precincts and field just as
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Speaker 1: stupid as I don't on the streets. It's not a
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Speaker 1: one side of thing like what happened you Just so,
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Speaker 1: I'm from New York for him, you don't reserve, I
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Speaker 1: don't know how to kim a thing. We want you
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Speaker 1: to know. We don't give about you, your mama, your children,
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Speaker 1: your wife. You're nothing. You're nothing to us but spray
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Speaker 1: roaches infestation. You know, Doctor Kendall Crowns, It's very difficult
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Speaker 1: for me to separate what I'm hearing her say from
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Speaker 1: what she did. By her own admission to this officer,
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Speaker 1: this father, this husband. At my job doesn't require that
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Speaker 1: I separate it, because in my mind, that shows intent
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Speaker 1: and pure malignant heart. The abandoned and malignant heart required
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Speaker 1: to show murder. One not necessarily intent to kill, but
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Speaker 1: acting with a malignant heart, such as driving through a
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Speaker 1: street fair at ninety mph. That's an abandon and malignant
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Speaker 1: heart with a disregard for human life. You have to
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Speaker 1: look strictly at the forensics, and can you tell me,
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Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns, how his leg would have been severed,
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Speaker 1: fly through the air and land and the other officers
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Speaker 1: go try to hide his leg from news cameras and
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Speaker 1: rubberneckers and bystanders, so his children won't see that on
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Speaker 1: the knees, their father's leg somewhere else because of this woman.
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Speaker 1: How would your whole leg get severed. So when you're
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Speaker 1: dealing with high rates of speed, was vehicles that she's
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Speaker 1: going ninety miles per hour, So calm just curious. How
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Speaker 1: you got a cop that just gets his legs severed.
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Speaker 1: It flies one hundred feet in the air his b
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Speaker 1: he's knocked out of his boots. Do when you see
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Speaker 1: a body like this? That doesn't make you mad? Unfortunately, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: every case I do I consider tragic. Everybody dies, and
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Speaker 1: many people die in very tragic means. I can't get
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Speaker 1: wrapped up in the emotion of it because it will
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Speaker 1: obscure my ability to do my job and correctly get
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Speaker 1: the cause and manner of death. So it helps people
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Speaker 1: along the line. I separate it. But yeah, sometimes it
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Speaker 1: gets emotional. This is unfortunately an unpleasant case, but it's
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Speaker 1: going through the facts of it. She's going to the
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Speaker 1: high rate of speed highway speeds over highway speed ninety
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Speaker 1: miles per hour. When she strikes his leg. You know,
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Speaker 1: your joint spaces aren't designed to take that much force.
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Speaker 1: So what happens is if it isn't just the bone
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Speaker 1: itself fracturing and severing, it rips out of the joint
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Speaker 1: spaces and then it comes free. So if you get
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Speaker 1: a fracture or it pulls along the joint spaces, it
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Speaker 1: rips free and because of the high rate of speed,
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Speaker 1: it will fly through the air after the collision. So
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Speaker 1: we see this quite often in pedestrians. They are struck
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Speaker 1: on the highways. Often both they're legibly severed or even
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Speaker 1: they'll be cut in half. Guys, we were talking about
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Speaker 1: the death officer Anastasia Tsaco's back to you. Tim McEwen,
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Speaker 1: former motorman now attorney. When you are highway patrol, when
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Speaker 1: you are a motorman, when you are a traffic cop,
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Speaker 1: you face an entirely different risk set the normal cops face.
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Speaker 1: Explain well, Nancy. You know, first of all, being a
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Speaker 1: well with Atlanta Police Department, being an APD motor man
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Speaker 1: is an honor. If you get picked and you know,
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Speaker 1: you write a lot of times you ride alone, and
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Speaker 1: you know you experience a lot of you know, on
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Speaker 1: security issues. You know you don't know who you're stopping,
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Speaker 1: but you know you're on the highway and you're you know,
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Speaker 1: the traffics out there. People don't see you a lot
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Speaker 1: of times, and it's a it's a very risk it's
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Speaker 1: a risky job. Gres like the accident I had. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I was lucky to survive, lucky to have the medical
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Speaker 1: sport I had put me back together. It's it's a
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Speaker 1: it's a it's an honor to be a mode man.
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Speaker 1: Really is Nancy Joey Amazon? Here? Could I? Could I
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Speaker 1: bring up something that you know that we haven't even
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Speaker 1: really discussed, but something that I've been thinking about a lot.
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Speaker 1: This woman, of course had her podcast, right you and I,
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Speaker 1: as you and I both know being in television, you,
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Speaker 1: of course on a much larger scale than myself, know
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Speaker 1: that years ago you had to tune into a station
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Speaker 1: to watch the six pm news, you had to tune
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Speaker 1: into the station to watch five pm, or go to
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Speaker 1: some of these channels. Now we have everybody. It's so
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Speaker 1: many people able to do podcasts, are able to go
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Speaker 1: online and express their opinions, and that empowers them, right,
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Speaker 1: that emboldens them. So you have this woman who is
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Speaker 1: ranting and raving about police officers, the very men and
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Speaker 1: women who who risked their lives every single day to
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Speaker 1: protect us, saying horrible and awful things. I feel that
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Speaker 1: when you have that much power, or you feel that
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Speaker 1: you have that much power, it empowers you, she felt empowered,
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Speaker 1: maybe that fuels her to drink more. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I'm not a therapist. I'm not a psychologist, but I
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Speaker 1: could but I could just see that. I could just
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Speaker 1: see her sitting at her computer getting fueled by her
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Speaker 1: own inappropriate words and her probably elevating herself to that
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Speaker 1: star status. Does that make sense, fancy? I know you
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Speaker 1: can explain it much better than I'm explaining it. Let's
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Speaker 1: catch to forensic psychologist doctor Sherry Schwartz. Wait and Dodger, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. This is exactly what she did. And
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Speaker 1: as she was drinking and drugging, she was getting herself
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Speaker 1: really worked up to a boiling point. And here's the
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Speaker 1: dangerous thing that really strikes me. She created a stereotype
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Speaker 1: of in her mind and outgroup member. Right, police, the
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Speaker 1: police are all bad, they're all this In some ways,
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Speaker 1: I think she pretty explicitly stated that she believed that
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Speaker 1: they should all die and who cares. Usually what happens
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Speaker 1: in those cases, though, is when you get these individuals
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Speaker 1: to take a pause and say, Okay, but he has
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Speaker 1: a wife who's a mom just like your mom. What
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Speaker 1: about his children? What about he's a human being, you know,
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Speaker 1: and you can humanize the person to them and make
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Speaker 1: them more similar to and say, look, they might have
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Speaker 1: a job that you disagree with or you don't like
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Speaker 1: the way some police have done the job, but look
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Speaker 1: we're not all that different. We're all still people. But
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Speaker 1: she takes it that disturbing step further and said, who
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Speaker 1: cares about his wife? So that's particularly troubling thinking. And
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Speaker 1: I can't, even as a forensic psychologist, I'm struggling a
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Speaker 1: little bit to understand that level of hatred and anger. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: eleven Derek Waller, ABC seven. By all accounts, officer Sako's
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Speaker 1: was a hero with a wife and two young children
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Speaker 1: they'll never see again. His partner yelled out and other
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Speaker 1: police officers were able to get out of the way,
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Speaker 1: but that didn't stop this defendant who ran loved one
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Speaker 1: speaking out, including his brother who spoke to I with
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Speaker 1: this news by phone. He was interesting, pot a house,
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Speaker 1: you were studying his life, everything, he was doing good.
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Speaker 1: That's it. I can't believe the shack and I've been
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Speaker 1: crying ever since I heard a family man friendly as
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Speaker 1: could be, and the most hardworking person you'd ever want
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Speaker 1: to meet. Police also say that Bouvet blew a ploy
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Speaker 1: one father. I've on the breath lazer two hours after
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Speaker 1: her arrest. Her driving records so bad her license had
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Speaker 1: been suspended. The mother of a thirteen year old boy
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Speaker 1: now faces up to fifteen years in prison. Fifteen years? What? What? What?
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Speaker 1: What is more? What is the charge? It should be more?
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Speaker 1: I mean she's facing thirteen counts? Right? What is the
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Speaker 1: lead charge? Is? My question? Is it vehicular blot? Indeed?
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Speaker 1: Wi No No No Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Timothy McEwan,
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Speaker 1: a former motorman now lawyer, in light of her podcast,
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Speaker 1: why is this just a vehicular homicide? Why? Just fifteen years?
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Speaker 1: Her podcast shows now and tent against police totally green, Nashy.
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Speaker 1: It should be it should be. No. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what New York's what their crime level is, manslaughter, murder,
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, but it should be a
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Speaker 1: lot more elevated than that. I mean, Cheryl McCollum on
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Speaker 1: fifty eight years, she'll be out in five. That's the deal.
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Speaker 1: And we all know it. These children have a life
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Speaker 1: sentence without their father, and she's going to be walking
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Speaker 1: around ranting against police officers in just five years, and
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Speaker 1: we gotta listen to it. I mean, Cheryl point one five,
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Speaker 1: that's two hours after the crash, which means the blood
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Speaker 1: alcohol had dissipated in her system, which means she would
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Speaker 1: have blown even higher two hours before. Explain that. But
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Speaker 1: here's the great news, Nancy. The prosecutors can always add
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Speaker 1: charges or upgrade with more evidence comes into play. But
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Speaker 1: what happens is the alcohol gets straight into your bloodstream,
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Speaker 1: so as tom goes on, it dissipates. As you urinate
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Speaker 1: or sweat or throw up or whatnot, it will go away.
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Speaker 1: So the fact that she was that high after that
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Speaker 1: many hours means that she was probably more likely you know,
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Speaker 1: a point one eighth or a point two. Oh, you
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Speaker 1: just don't know. But I want to I want to
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Speaker 1: piggyback on something y'all were talking about about the way
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Speaker 1: she's acting. I spent eight years at the Fort County jail,
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Speaker 1: and I can tell you a lot of these ogs
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Speaker 1: and gangstause. Once they're in that jail cell, they start
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Speaker 1: to cry. And what she did, she was big and
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Speaker 1: bad behind that microphone. But what happened once os handcuffs
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Speaker 1: her own. Oh she's sorry, now she's crying. She ain't
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Speaker 1: big and bad. They're weak. They're punks, and that's the
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Speaker 1: reason they act like they do their bulletproof until all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, the real police are responding to a
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Speaker 1: real situation and they, like the name of her podcast,
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Speaker 1: has to face the reality. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: Cuddy eleven A. This is Jessica Bouvet's police statements. What happened?
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Speaker 1: Family party? What are you sorry for? I'm sorry? What
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Speaker 1: do you want to say? The officers? Family? Where are
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Speaker 1: you coming from? The reality is is that she hit
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Speaker 1: a vehicle, reversed going about ninety mph, reversed and then
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Speaker 1: took down the officer. And I would argue, Cheryl McCollum
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Speaker 1: did this is no accident, This is no crash because
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Speaker 1: it is a very intentional decision to drink vodka, to
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Speaker 1: do shots, to drink wine, to moat pot to then
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Speaker 1: go get your car keys, to then go to your car,
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Speaker 1: crank up your car, put it in reverse, put it
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Speaker 1: in drive, get out on the highway, get to a
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Speaker 1: m in the morning. All of those are intentional acts.
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Speaker 1: And it is only when we treat these cases as murder,
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Speaker 1: a felony murder, a DUI felony death. Will this ever stop?
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Speaker 1: I wonder how that's what Emily is feeling right now,
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean she's also a mother of a
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Speaker 1: of a child too, so many that child now again,
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Speaker 1: believe me, I'm not a kid at all, as you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm on this poor, poor officers side and his family.
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Speaker 1: But now think a look at her thirteen year old son. Well,
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Speaker 1: let's go back to that. She got in trouble starting
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Speaker 1: in two thy fifteen for not paying the DMV. They
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Speaker 1: suspended her license only after years of her not Hey,
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Speaker 1: she hasn't cared. She put that child in a car
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Speaker 1: knowing she had a suspended license. She's probably driven drunk
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Speaker 1: with that child. A multiple are the stature on McCollum's
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Speaker 1: not just you spouting it out. Statistics show that for
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Speaker 1: every time a duy has stopped, how many times have
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Speaker 1: they driven drunk? At least fifty Nancy fifty a d
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Speaker 1: Twenty nine people a day die because of impaired driving.
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Speaker 1: That's ten thousand people a year, and we don't think
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Speaker 1: that's an epidemic. How many officers dead will it take
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Speaker 1: before cases like this are treated as murder. What about
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Speaker 1: a Virginia police officer dragged along on a traffic stop?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to cut twelve. This is Chelsea Donoman
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Speaker 1: w T k Art News three, January twenty third, twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty end of watch for Officer Katie Thine. As we
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Speaker 1: go forward and days will be challenging, fighting back tears,
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Speaker 1: A raw, unfiltered Chief Steve Drew remembers a twenty four
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Speaker 1: year old full of life and spirit. If you ever
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Speaker 1: met her, if you ever saw her, all she did
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Speaker 1: with smile, you'd almost start to laugh at her because
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Speaker 1: she was always smiling. A bright, shining light who was
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Speaker 1: sworn in just last June, Catherine. She proudly wore her
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Speaker 1: badge until Thursday night, when she was killed in the
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Speaker 1: line of duty while making a traffic stop. She wanted
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Speaker 1: to be in law enforcement, and she wanted to do
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Speaker 1: it in the city. Reports of drugs near monitor Merrimac
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Speaker 1: Overlooked Park prompted two officers to respond. Fine being one
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Speaker 1: the officers approached the driver within a split second tragedy.
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Speaker 1: As the driver hit the gas she was drug outside
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Speaker 1: the vehicle for about a block. The vehicle came to
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Speaker 1: rest as it smashed into a tree. Another motor cop
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Speaker 1: dragged along. Officers then are not in their car, They're
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Speaker 1: not sitting behind a desk, they're not inside of a structure.
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Speaker 1: They are out in the elements, doing their job, and
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Speaker 1: they die. When you hear this woman Jessica Bouvo's podcast
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Speaker 1: ranting about how much she hates the cops, how much
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Speaker 1: she wants them dead, comparing them to roaches infesting her neighborhood,
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Speaker 1: then goes right out and runs one down and then
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Speaker 1: blubbers and cries about it for the TV cameras. I'm
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Speaker 1: not buying that you just heard about yet another cop
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Speaker 1: dragged at the scene. Well, that was in Florida. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this. We're getting our first look tonight
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Speaker 1: at body camera footage of a New or Police lieutenant
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Speaker 1: being dragged during a traffic stop in Brooklyn. The cop
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Speaker 1: talking to a driver just before four this morning in
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Speaker 1: the Brownsville section. Suddenly the car takes off in reverse,
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Speaker 1: the cop with injuries to his arms and his legs.
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Speaker 1: Police later arrested thirty two year old DAKEM. Newsom on
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Speaker 1: Long Island. That's Bill Rider, ABC seven. Oh yeah, and
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Speaker 1: by the way, he was recently arrested in North Carolina
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Speaker 1: and extradited back for a prior shooting and was released
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Speaker 1: on bail too. And can I interject something please do?
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Speaker 1: Is that doctor Kendall Crowns. I was just about to
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Speaker 1: ask you about her body weight and being point one
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Speaker 1: five she looks very slight, But go ahead with your
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Speaker 1: thought please. Well, it's just so listening to the video
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Speaker 1: and her rant about the law enforcement, and then you know,
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Speaker 1: very shortly thereafter, she ends up killing an officer. The
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Speaker 1: thing the problem I have is is if you take
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Speaker 1: the car out of the equation and turn it into
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Speaker 1: a gun and she goes and shoots an officer, he
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Speaker 1: would call it homicide. I still feel like a car
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Speaker 1: is a weapon and you can use it to kill people.
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Speaker 1: So to me, listening to her video and her vial
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Speaker 1: and hatred that she's spewing about law enforcement and then
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Speaker 1: an officer ends up dead shortly thereafter. Yes, I understand
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Speaker 1: she's intoxicated, but often, you know, alcohol gives you liquid courage,
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Speaker 1: so you end up doing something dumb or something you
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have done otherwise. So to me, it's it's difficult
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Speaker 1: to separate that case and just say oh, well, it's
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Speaker 1: an accident. It's almost to me it sounds like a homicide.
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Speaker 1: Of course, I don't know how the medical examiner in
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Speaker 1: New York signed it out, but it's very questionable if
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Speaker 1: you could rule that an accident, because it's very disturbing timeline.
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Speaker 1: And again I say, if you remove the car, put
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Speaker 1: in a gun, people would call it a homicide all
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Speaker 1: day long. But because it's a car, it gets kind
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Speaker 1: of in some people feel, oh, well, you know, her
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Speaker 1: intention probably wasn't to kill him. You got to wonder,
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Speaker 1: with all that she's saying on that video if her
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Speaker 1: intention was not to hit an officer because obviously they
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Speaker 1: were out there, Obviously there was lights and that people
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Speaker 1: moving around. And yes, I understand she's heavily intoxicated, but
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Speaker 1: still you got to wonder if she and intentionally hit him.
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Speaker 1: Nancy cannot please hold on just for a moment, Doctor Kennel.
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Speaker 1: Crown's chief Medical Examiner, Austin, you're preaching to the choir,
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Speaker 1: and I must say I have to say this, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: That is something I never thought of, but that really wow.
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Speaker 1: He's right to him MCU and he's absolutely right. We've
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Speaker 1: heard of death by Mercedes where the dentist wife rode
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Speaker 1: over the dentist and then backed up over him and
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Speaker 1: killed him. We've heard of it so many times, and
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Speaker 1: we also know legally reasoning that voluntary use of drugs
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Speaker 1: or alcohol is not a defense. So why is it
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Speaker 1: that a vehicular homicide duy is treated so much, almost
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Speaker 1: like an involuntary manslaughter. If drinking and dope is not
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Speaker 1: a defense under the law, then why is this treated
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Speaker 1: differently when your weapon is a car and not gun.
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Speaker 1: What were you saying, cherylmnna call him? I was saying,
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Speaker 1: He's absolutely right, Nancy, because if you said we have
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Speaker 1: a rape, he can't say, hey, I was drunk, or
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Speaker 1: if you have any other situation where somebody is killed
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Speaker 1: a dry by shooting, Hey we were just smoking weed.
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Speaker 1: We didn't mean to kill anybody. Doesn't matter. It's murder
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Speaker 1: right here. It's this twisted, bastardizing of what should be
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Speaker 1: moral and right and legal. The fact that you're drunk
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Speaker 1: now almost not murder. As one family prepares for a
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Speaker 1: funeral for a husband, a father, this woman is preparing
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Speaker 1: her death dancing. You better bet your bottom dollar that
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Speaker 1: podcast will be coming into evidence, and do not plead
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Speaker 1: this out cheap. As a matter of fact, I call
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Speaker 1: for an enhancement of the charges. We are watching Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Kids story, signing off goodbye,