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WHY ARE TICKETS SO EXPENSIVE? · Classic Metal Show

• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know what would be good to see, though?
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know?
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_02: What's that?
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: Our good friend David Reese.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I know.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: David Reese is with us here.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: David Reese, how are you, sir?
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: Can you hear me?
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, sir.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: We can hear you.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, guys.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of following what you're talking about.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: Bikinis?
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: Venice Beach?
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: What happened?
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody got flagged?
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's like 5 o'clock in the morning here in Europe.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, huh?
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: No, this guy lost his YouTube channel.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: He did like a travel channel,
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  SPEAKER_00: one of those where you just kind of go around and you're like, hey,
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  SPEAKER_00: here's a cool restaurant or here's a cool venue or whatever,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, those kind of channels.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he had 500,000 followers and he got his channel yanked
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: for alleged nudity three years ago and they won't even show him what he did wrong.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: Ridiculous.
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  SPEAKER_01: What was it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Probably in California, just filming somebody who didn't like it and reported him or something.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's exactly what he was thinking too.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, it's ridiculous.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of followers, 500 grand.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_02: Seven years of work down the drain.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Good morning, gentlemen.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_02: So are you just getting up or you just haven't gone to bed yet?
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: I got up about an hour ago.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: I went to bed early.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: My motto, early to bed, early to rise, put in your earbuds and advertise.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: No, I've been up for a little while,
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  SPEAKER_01: coffeed out, you know, walked the dog, took his dump, got him fed.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sitting here watching you guys.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: What are you trying to get us yanked off
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  SPEAKER_02: of YouTube, David?
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_02: Are you trying to get us yanked for saying taking a dump bodily functions on YouTube?
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: God damn it.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: I said my dog, not me.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: Can they sanction dogs?
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows these days, right?
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead, Neely.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: Well, David, you got a got a new Bangalore choir release coming out
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: called Payload.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's a payload of music.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of a lot of a lot of quick hitters is what I would call them.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: They're very just a rapid fire grouping of songs here.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're just just kind of short and to the point and bang, bang, bang.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I kind of moved, I moved my writing team around.
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  SPEAKER_01: I started working with Tommy McWilliams and Steve Gordon,
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: who's got a, I met Tommy with Steve, MIA, Steve Gordon, MIA.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: They asked me to sing on this MIA record,
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  SPEAKER_01: which has Doug Bennett, Ripper, the dude from Spread Eagle, Freeman.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: Living Dead Girls on it.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: And they kind of said, hey, you want to write some tunes?
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, what do you got?
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then I started looking into their past.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, Desmond Child, John Cicada, Sakura, these guys work with everybody.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: So that can't hurt, right?
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: So we kicked it off and it just kind of clicked.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, one thing led to another.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: Here we are.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right on.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, David, how do you differentiate these days what you're going to do?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because, I mean, you do a lot of music.
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  SPEAKER_00: You do quote-unquote solo stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have Bangalore Choir.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have other things that you do, like this MIA thing as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you do a lot of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Are you one of those guys that constantly writes and finds a place for it,
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  SPEAKER_00: or do you write to projects?
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh...
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  SPEAKER_01: I get a lot of emails asking me to participate,
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  SPEAKER_01: and sometimes it's already lyrically done,
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  SPEAKER_01: and there's a guy kind of howling away what he wants me to sing,
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  SPEAKER_01: gun for hire kind of stuff.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Which is, you know, you get hacked a lot by, you know, the public.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he's on this, he's on that.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, for God's sake, some man's got to eat, right?
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: And submit to other people,
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: but a lot of,
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  SPEAKER_01: most of the time it's already done and they just need somebody that's kind of known
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: to like promote their, to lift their project a little higher.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: And during COVID, I mean, we all needed saving, you know?
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  SPEAKER_01: So I took on way more than I could chew.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right on.
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  SPEAKER_01: I backed away from it a little bit,
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  SPEAKER_01: but yeah, I'm always, I mean, I've got one of those brains that, that I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I should change it out because it kind of drives me nuts.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'll wake up at 2 a.m. and something in my head, you know, that evening pee that we have to do.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: And if I got an idea,
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  SPEAKER_01: then I can't sleep until I go downstairs and grab the phone and start singing
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  SPEAKER_01: and making noise, you know.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a little nuts.
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  SPEAKER_01: It drives me a little crazy, to be honest.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: But it's just how I work, you know.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: He's just laying in bed going, what rhymes with orange?
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_02: Orange.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's nuts, dude.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's an anxiety or a compulsiveness or whatever it is,
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  SPEAKER_01: but if I don't act,
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  SPEAKER_01: I won't be able to go to sleep and remember what I was thinking
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  SPEAKER_01: about three hours later.
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  SPEAKER_01: Impossible.
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  SPEAKER_00: What was I doing?
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  SPEAKER_00: How many of those songs that you've taken at two in the morning and scribbled down
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  SPEAKER_00: or sung into your phone or whatever actually turn into something?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it a high number or is it like one for every thousand?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'd say at least minimum, well, maximum one per 100 that I like.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: you think it's the best thing that's ever come into your head at two in the morning,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it's dribble.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's a collaboration of just little pieces.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll put them all on the phone and then I'll, what the hell am I talking about?
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that works with that.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: That works with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you know, really, if I complete one song out of a hundred, I think that's my average.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think Shanker said it was like one in 500 for him.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's pretty, it's weird.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to be original, dude.
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  SPEAKER_02: So do you ever,
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  SPEAKER_02: do you ever have something that you did a while ago and then all of
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  SPEAKER_02: a sudden it comes back around again?
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  SPEAKER_01: I just did that yesterday.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Presented it to Tommy McWilliams and he's like, dude, that's really good.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, is it?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I, cause I don't know.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: I was just,
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing a,
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: we're doing Holland on the 24th and electric set with Vengeance and
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: a band called Picture.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember them?
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  SPEAKER_01: Vaguely.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were big in the eighties and Vengeance,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, they're just a rocking bunch of maniacs and They're really big.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're out of Holland.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're doing that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm doing a November 6th and 7th acoustic kind of release party stuff.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was going through all these cover songs that we're going to add to the set.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then this thing popped up.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's called Little Morningstar Woman.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: But I cut it to Morningstar Woman.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: And basically it's about my granddaughter who's half native and her tribal name,
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  SPEAKER_01: the Blackfoot Nation of Montana's Morningstar Woman.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I thought that was a cool title.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I just started scribbling and singing into this and I presented it and it seems
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  SPEAKER_01: to have taken some legs.
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  SPEAKER_01: It might turn into something.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right on.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: David, with Bangalore Choir now,
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: am I right in thinking it's on El Puerto, the same as your solo stuff?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes?
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was with Brave Words last year when I did the Rapid Fire Succession on Target Part 2.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And hit some glitches with certain people.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: And El Puerto and I have known each other for, what,
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  SPEAKER_01: Ten years we've worked together and before I decided to move on,
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  SPEAKER_01: I called them and said, Hey, I want to come home.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, we're back together again.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: Not to say it's been an easy ride because there's a ton of restrictions going on,
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  SPEAKER_01: like you were talking about earlier with this guy.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: The labels,
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  SPEAKER_01: small businesses being attacked by Brussels in the EU where they're limited to
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: where they can release records.
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  SPEAKER_01: So like this new album,
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  SPEAKER_01: Payload,
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  SPEAKER_01: in the EU is released in Germany and Switzerland,
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  SPEAKER_01: but then it has to be ordered by other EU countries out of Amazon
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: and other distributors.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a nightmare.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: What they've created for the music business.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I blame it largely on people like Angela Merkel I looked into all that
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: when I was sitting here wondering if I was going to get arrested if I went out into
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: the street.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: Remember those days?
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  SPEAKER_01: It was insane over here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Angela Merkel had made a comment about bailing out small companies and all this stuff.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: She had found that the music business was a non-essential entity.
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  SPEAKER_01: My obsessive compulsive brain with nothing else to do,
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: I started looking into like just the tax revenue of the music industry.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's not just rock and roll.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's classic ballet, everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I found out just in Germany,
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  SPEAKER_01: the tax revenue taken from music,
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  SPEAKER_01: some sort of another entertainment was 40 billion euros per year.
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  SPEAKER_01: That we contribute in some form or another.
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  SPEAKER_01: How can you say it's a non-essential entity,
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: which means that a lot of the small businesses like labels and people
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: who needed survival just to keep the doors open were closed.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: And other entities were given large sums of money to stay afloat.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: And since then, it's been challenging.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Who the hell gives Merkel the right to decide what is a valued entity versus
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: a non-essential entity?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's crazy.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: Is making plastic essential or is that just something we like bottled water versus a tap?
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: What is plastic made out of though?
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you know how green Europe has gone, oil.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: I get conspiracy metal hat thoughts about a lot of things, you know, when it comes to that.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: And right now,
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: yesterday,
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: as a matter of fact,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was told Belgium,
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Brussels is cutting the throats of small businesses, not only music.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, I get a lot of messages.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, man, I'm trying to buy your record.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: If a guy's in Bulgaria or Romania, I can't get it.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: How do I buy it?
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh God.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I called the label and they said, hey,
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: we've been restricted to Germany,
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: Switzerland, you know, U.S. distributors, distribution companies.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's a mess.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't blame solely Trump.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: I blame everybody involved with this.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just him.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're all making a cluster.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: I can't say it.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: You can.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: You can say fuck here.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: You can.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's a clusterfuck.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's like,
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: what else does rock and roll need any more kicks in the balls,
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: you know, for fucking sales and keeping us alive and afloat, right?
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's always,
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  SPEAKER_01: every fucking day I wake up,
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: it's like another hurdle to jump because of this government proposal.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's fucking bullshit.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let me ask you this, David,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I know it's more than just music, so I'll say that before asking the question.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: But as a musician,
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: what keeps you living there instead of coming back here,
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: where I'm assuming is the least restrictive of the places to be a musician?
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: I fell in love with an Italian woman.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: She can't get on a plane?
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: I was in a band called Pong.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: the thing is, it's funny because Bangalore Choir was a U.S.-based group, right?
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: We got our kickoff in L.A.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: And we had Howard Kaufman managing us, Whiteslake, Harb, everybody, Stevie Nicks.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's how I met her because I was hanging out at Stevie's house and
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: that whole giant Warner Brothers record deal came together after Accept.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: But my market because of Accept is stronger in the EU.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_02: Look at these comment sets on this laptop.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_02: They are saying I'm totally crazy.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_02: Unhinged?
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'll show you unhinged.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just getting started.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_03: You can't stop rock and roll.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_03: You can't stop me.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: What keeps me here is, yeah, I mean, I'm not getting rich living in Europe.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm married.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: My foundation is here now.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how to answer that, really.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: I've been on the phone incessantly.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: With American bookers.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it seems like the mantra now is,
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Dawkins, Slaughter, Lita Ford, Bret Michaels, or Poison, or Sebastian Bach.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's the only thing that promoters are safely staying with, right?
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: And every four months,
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: it's the same four or five bands on the same four or five circuits, right?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: And they're not willing to step out and go, Hey, yeah, we know who your band is.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Great band, but not interested.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Or come on over 8,000 mile round trip and play for the door and no hotels.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what I mean?
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like, no, no, no, I'm not doing that.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: Here I can make,
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: I get a fee for my shows and I can get on,
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: there's festival circuits in Europe too that are,
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: you know, kick off in the early summer into the early fall.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a big deal, you know, for me.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: The club circuit is getting more competitive, I have to say.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: After COVID, again, it's flipped everything on its head.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: Well, David,
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: you used the term You know,
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_02: you were talking about release of music and stuff,
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: and you used the term, you know, people asking you, where can I get your record?
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: Now, you are talking about physical product here,
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_02: you know, and are you talking CD or vinyl or both, or what kind of physical product?
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: Mostly CD.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: Again, that's a limited market now.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: It was the last time you saw a new car with a CD player.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a, what do you call it, a novelty
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: group of people that still love CDs?
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_02: Well, look behind it.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking at your backdrop.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: I've got friends that have literally 10,000 copies,
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: they tell me,
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  SPEAKER_01: CDs that in a lifetime could never listen to,
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: but it's kind of their man cave or girl cave.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Where that's their little area and they'll go pick a CD,
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: but they say they always go back to like the same 10 records
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: and they're having like these with their families and getting older.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: They're saying, what are we doing with this room full of CDs?
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: Let's sell all this stuff and make it a sewing room where the grandkids room.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: I hear that a lot.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: So a lot of stuff is now on a USB stick, which I, I can't listen to music that way.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: It just hurts my ears, but yeah.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: Physical order, I mean,
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: I cherish those people because anybody can click on a link on Spotify and listen to
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: a song, right?
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and Spotify,
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: tell the people, I mean,
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: we say it all the time,
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: but it's better when guys like yourself that are making music say it.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: Spotify is completely useless to you, right?
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you're not getting, what are you getting, a check for $10 or something?
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's a ridiculous model that does not work for musicians.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to go out on a limb and be honest with you.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: Accept record I did was, I think it was nearly 100,000 streams.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I got a check for, I think, 16 euros, which is like $18.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: Retirement money.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's like when you get in your account, everybody takes a piece of it.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: And by the time I get it, it's, you know, it's pennies.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it might be a pizza,
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: but it's kind of a necessary evil in a way,
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: because the people that don't have access to a CD player or a turntable,
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: that's their way of listening to music now, you know?
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: So you can't really say,
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: well, F streaming platforms, because that's where the generation's moving.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: But financially, no, there's nothing.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing for the bands.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you're in the over a million streams kind of market,
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: which I'm not, you know, I think you start seeing real monetization after $500,000.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: You start to see better, you know.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but better, there's... See, I'll always argue this, and you tell me.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Better is fine, but it's still...
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's a less artistic view of what you're trying to say.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: In the old days,
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: whether it was Accept or Solo or Bangalore Choir or whatever you were doing,
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: it wasn't just the 10 songs on the record.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was also the art.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: It was also the lyrics.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we as fans grew to our bands not only because...
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: We liked the songs,
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: but we would pull it apart and we would look at the lyrics and
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: the lyrics would mean something to us.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I equate what we do now with Spotify as an updated model of riding around in
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: an elevator where there's something playing.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: You don't really pay enough attention because you don't have any skin in the game to get it.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: You can listen to everything that's ever been recorded for $10 a month.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they've taken the passion away.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: Out of it by making it too easy to obtain the music.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's my thought.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I always equate it to what Lukather said.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's like drive-thru music.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: By the time you hit the first roundabout or the first light,
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: I've already got my hand in my bag and I've finished the fries.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: And by the time I hit the second light, I've eaten the burger and I forgot what I had for lunch.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's kind of how it's become disposable.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: When you mentioned the artwork,
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: the lyrics,
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: you and I and Neely, right,
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: we all grew up looking at the vinyl,
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: reading the inside insert or the CD book and trying to magnify the lyrics,
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: of course, because it's
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_03: that big.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_03: But it meant something to us.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_03: And it's all about interpretation.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_03: And the thing about streaming is I think you have,
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: most people graze through it about 15 to 30 seconds,
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: and then they're on to the next thing.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't even equate into me being like, oh, that's one penny because one guy checked out.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Dave's got a new record out with Bangalore Choir.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a cool song.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Next.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Who's this guy?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm way behind the curve with bands in town and TikTok and Instagram.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's all connected, guys.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: You have to be in this fight.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, to be kind of relevant, you know, like your mug is there.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: And you get these reminders.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you've kind of slagged off.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: You need to freshen up.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like, how can I say, you know, that the song hasn't said.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't get into this business to be a tech.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and, you know, it's irritating because I don't have the brain for it also.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even, I mean, in the studio, I like to record.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm not a detector where a guy can say, look at that model outboard gear, blah, blah, blah.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's a, yeah, I saw those in the 70s and 80s.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: But that's a new model of a digital copy of what used to be cool.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the smell and the lights and lots of that.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's just a plug in.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's not even the real thing that I don't know anything about that stuff, you know.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, David,
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: you mentioned,
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: that you get solicited to participate on, you know, people's projects, albums.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, you do all your own music as well.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know,
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: from a business standpoint, where is the remuneration in creating new music today?
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: I need to recoup with more investment in time and creating.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well,
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: when somebody says, hey,
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: I need you to sing on my record or whatever,
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: and obviously you get compensated for doing that.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: Where is this artist, even yourself, where is that money coming from?
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, is somebody bankrolling that?
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: Because, you know, there's really no record labels.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, bands are doing it on their own.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: They're coming out of mom and dad's bank account or their day job.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: You can make a record for a couple grand now and it sounds amazing in your bathroom.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but for the most part, it's people that are just including myself.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I get a budget to make a record,
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: but I guarantee you, even though let's say what we're doing right now doesn't pay.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's my time and effort, just like you guys, you're talking about what you believe in.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: This is your time and effort of creative process, right?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's everything.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: back in the day,
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: people don't remember this,
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: but when I started,
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: people don't know,
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: like a vinyl record,
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: I was told when Bangalore came out with
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_03: On Target,
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: we do a million copies,
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_03: we might give you a party,
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_03: but if you hit two million copies, We'll definitely give you a platinum party.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I go, what does that mean?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: It used to be like, oh, a gold record.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody was celebrating in pictures.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: I found out even in those days,
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: you got nine cents after all the money was gone around per copy for a record.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: So it really hasn't changed that way, but there was a whole lot more going on.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: People buying millions of records, people going to big shows.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, because they could afford it.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm going to see Bryan Adams in Italy in November.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's like $250 for the nosebleed seats.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's four of us going.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's a hard thing to answer.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to say, you know, I'm going to let this defeat me.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, sometimes you check your head, like, you know, what's going on?
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: I do it because I love it.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's not, you know.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: These 80s bands that have the big brand, you know, that constantly pounding the United States.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: They come over here, they're not going to sell any tickets.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: They're not going to.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's why they don't, you know, they do the constant four-month cycle regurgitation.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: In the United States, that's their market.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: Over here, you've got the same kind of bands, right?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: The European bands, they regurgitate Europe and do the 10-country thing every four months.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Really no different.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, David, let me ask you about one record that came out.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's not you.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, I was surprised you weren't on it.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: Wolf Hoffman was out there talking about this Teutonic Titans 50th anniversary record.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: And he said on it, he said, I invited everybody that's a former member and no one came.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess my question is, were you invited and why did you not come if you were invited?
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't contacted, and I learned that Hellhammer was sang by a dude from Dangerous Toys.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Jason McMaster, yeah.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: I was a little miffed by it,
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: but then I saw them playing the song in Stockholm and 5,000 kids shouting my chorus.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: I play the song every show I do.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: People love it.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, I was not contacted by Wolf,
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: but what I'm allowed to say right now Is Wolf has reached out to me.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: We're now speaking again.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they're going on tour again in November, December.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really know who he claims to have reached out to.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Ex-members.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think Jorg is...
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: He said,
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: and again,
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't hear him say it,
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: so I don't know,
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: but from what I read on Blabbermouth, he said that he contacted all the ex-members.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know,
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: because me and you do this fairly often,
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: because you put out a lot of music, I know that you don't have any...
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: Ill will per se toward Accept as an entity.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I know you've worked with Udo recently and you have true love for the project
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: and especially the part of Accept that you were in.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: I was very,
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: very surprised that you did,
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: even if it wasn't singing Hellhammer,
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: which I mean,
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: that would have been kind of weird if you'd sang Balls to the Wall or something,
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: but you know,
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: but I was very surprised knowing you and having spoken to you,
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: God knows how many times at this point,
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: That you weren't a part of this thing,
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: because it really, you should have been a part.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: In my mind, you definitely should have been a part of this thing.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard that a hundred times since this came out, but, you know, it is his band.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: I have no...
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to get involved with that.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I played with Herman.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: I did Iron Allies with Herman Frank,
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: and I'll frankly say that was a regrettable experience for me.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know about a communication issue with those guys,
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: all those people that have been involved.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what that entails because you hear something from one band member and
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: then you hear something completely different from another.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: I've had that same in my personal life with bands.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a bunch of whacked out old housewives,
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: that are bitching about their ex-husbands,
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: you know, or the guy they're still married to, but they're miserable.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's the music business.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: But I can say my relationship with Udo is really strong.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: I can go two or three years and not talk to him and then do a show with him
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: and it's like, hey,
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: like I saw him yesterday,
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: but To have Wolf reach out to me personally was really exciting.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: I was in Bulgaria.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: What is it now?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: October.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: It was August.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I was doing a gig with my songs.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: And with the way we were talking earlier about budgets and stuff and no money,
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: the promoter originally agreed to have my band,
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: which are mostly Spanish guys,
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: Come over to Bulgaria, a small festival, do the thing.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: But all of a sudden, he changed his mind and said, I don't have the money.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: Can you play with this Bulgarian band, which is called The Steel Project?
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_03: They can back you.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_03: You play your stuff.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: They're really good.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_03: And I went, The Steel Project?
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, I sang on their record like
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: three years ago.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: I listened back.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, good players, confident guys.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, anyway,
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: long story short,
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: I get to Bulgaria in the middle of August,
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: and I'm there for rehearsal,
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: and my phone is ringing,
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: and I see an American number, and I'm like, I'm not picking that up.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's scam, right?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's spam stuff.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm afraid to answer it.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Then the phone rings again, and I'm heading to rehearsal, and I don't answer it.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: Then I came back, and there's an email, and lo and behold, it's here.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: Is this fucking for real?
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't spoken to this guy personally in 40 years.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: Then we started talking,
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: and yeah, I'll be able to talk more
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: about that when he gives the green light.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: Which I'm really excited.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: Let me ask this, and just tell me that you don't want to comment on it if you don't, but...
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: Did it feel,
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: without getting into what you talked about,
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: did it feel like when you see an old friend for the first time in forever?
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Did it feel like, you know, the same as it was?
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: Or did it feel weird and awkward,
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: you know, because there's been so much time and obvious issues?
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: It was a sense of relief.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: it was like,
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: I watched that interview you're talking about where he invited everybody.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: And He made a comment about Eat The Heat where people apologize for liking the record.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, why are you apologizing for liking something?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you like it, you like it.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: It was a weird time for the band.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they were trying to break us,
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: as the new commercial entity because they would hit like 400,000 copies and
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: then it would stop.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: And the labels,
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: the suit and tie guys get involved and they say,
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: well, we got to make this thing go big and we're just going to walk away from it.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they had slowly started progressing into a more commercial sound with,
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: you know, Metal Heart and Russia Roulette.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: But they said,
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: with a guy like Udo,
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: we're not going to cross over in the States and be a platinum,
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: triple platinum kind of thing.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: So let's get an American or English speaking guy.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just totally through the solid fan base for a loop.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: What have you done?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Then you release a song like Generation Clash, which is from outer space.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: When we got songs like Hellhammer and Ecstasy, D-Train, which I fought tooth and nail for.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go out heavy.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Don't scare the old audience.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to go like, what is this?
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, Dieter told me, the producer, he said, you know, recording one.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: I think you and I talked about this, Chris.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: Halfway through that production,
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: he stopped recording and looked at me and said,
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: you know, you realize if this fails, it's your fault and my fault.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to blame us.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: And my arrogance is a 26 year old kid.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: This will never fail.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm David Reese.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm the greatest thing.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: And he was so right.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_03: Who do they blame?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_03: The new guy.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_03: Look at Ripper.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: He, that guy.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how that guy can sing like he does seven days a week.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: But he took a punch in the chin.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Actually,
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: Judas Priest,
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: when that whole thing was going on, they contacted me, Ripper, and Ralph Sheepers.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: I was in Tennessee.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: All three were contacted about that.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: And he got the gig because of his priest tribute thing.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the rumor on that, too,
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: was that they flew Sheepers to England,
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: and then when Sheepers got there,
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: then they told them that Ripper got the gig,
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: so they flew him out only to send him home.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's horrible.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_03: You know how I blew the audition?
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: How?
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_03: In those days, I was in Tennessee.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'd walked away from rock and roll.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_03: I did a thing called Circle of Silence with Greg Chase on them.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody, after Grunge took over, decided to go heavy and Sabbath-y and try to fit in, right?
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_03: So the new fans knew it was fake, and the old fans were like, what are you doing?
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_03: We were all chasing our tails, trying to stay relevant.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_03: And they got a hold of that first Circle of Silence record somehow,
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_03: and Jane Andrews,
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_03: the manager of Priest, sent me a fax out of the blue going, we love this.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_03: Would you be interested in coming over to England?
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_03: And I know every priest song backwards, right?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_03: We cover that stuff as kids every night just to get a paycheck.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_03: So I ended up getting like three or four faxes from her.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_03: And after a while, I started getting annoyed.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_03: So I went, I had to go to Europe to do a press tour for the Circle of Silence record.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_03: And I went to Metal Hammer.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_03: And the editor-in-chief, he goes, hey, I heard a rumor that you're up for priest, man.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_03: Amazing.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, yeah,
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_03: but they keep sending me,
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_03: we really like you, but we're talking to a couple other guys.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_03: He goes, well, I got KK's address in my Rolodex.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_03: He goes, you should write him a letter.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, actually, terrible idea.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_03: So I sat down and I bin this letter in Munich.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I mailed it to him from there.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_03: And about a week later, when I got back to the States, I got this hate guy from Jane.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_03: How dare you?
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_03: Jane is losing his mind.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_03: How did you get his home address?
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I didn't want to tell anybody how I got it.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_03: You've just eliminated your status and blah, blah, blah.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: You blew it.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I mean, Ripper was already in, but I fucked that up.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_03: How many times are you going to fax me and say, come over to London and jam with the band?
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_03: Put me on a plane.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: And then I said, hey, I'm in Munich.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_03: I can be there in an hour and a half.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_03: We can jam tonight if you want.
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• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't like it very much.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: Apparently not.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, who is this stalker?
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: Who the fuck is this guy?
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't get my home, especially his home address.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_03: Then, you know, I'm not supposed to, you know, expose how I got it because he's...
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_03: Well, David,
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_03: you mentioned you're going to go see Bryan Adams for an exorbitant amount of money,
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_03: and Chris and I have been really hammering on this
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: whole cost
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_03: of going
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_03: to shows these days.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's ridiculous, especially the big
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: The big news of Metallica playing at the Sphere in Las Vegas,
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_02: and we were checking out some of the crazy amounts people were paying
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_02: to go see this,
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: like seven grand a ticket to go see Metallica at the Sphere for what,
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: three hours, Chris?
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like two, three hours, yeah.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_02: $7,000?
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_02: $7,000.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_03: I ain't got the words.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_02: But Chris and I both went to see KK's Priest and Wasp this past week.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I think I paid, I think I had like 10th row seats or something.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I think I paid 98 bucks.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: And both Chris and I agree that that was a great show.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: Chris saw it on Thursday.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_02: I saw it last Friday.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: And we were just like, holy shit.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_02: And you mentioned Ripper, the way that he sings.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: Holy shit.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: That guy just brings it.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: And don't forget the guys on the tour, you know, KK calls them.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: They're doing, look at the schedule.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then look at Ripper's schedule besides that.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's down in South America doing 20 in a row.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: Then he's in the States doing 20 in a row, and then he's doing Ripper for a KK 30.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_03: And that's not easy stuff to say.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_03: That guy is, he's kind of like Dickinson.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_03: He's bulletproof.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he's got that,
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_03: as long as it lasts,
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_03: and I pray it lasts
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: forever for him, the ability to do that, you know, great stuff.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: I greatly admire.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: He's pushing 60, so, you know, he's not a young.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the 60 Club.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: Chris is almost there.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm almost there.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: Another two years.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I'm 66.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, you're pushing the other club.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: You're getting into the old age club, my friend.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_03: And God damn it, I feel it.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_03: your tolerance level, I mean,
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not trying to take away this ticket thing you brought up, but,
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_03: your tolerance level for bullshit,
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_03: you know, when you hit the
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: 60 level, it gets minimal.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, fuck you, I've heard that enough times, I don't want to hear it again.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, man, quit fucking yanking my dick.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: I know this game.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, back to the ticket prices.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_02: Well, what I was going to say is, what is your take on this ridiculousness of tickets?
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_02: Because people,
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: these shows this summer,
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: Chris and I talked about the summer lineup of shows that we wanted to go see,
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_02: like Triumph was on their 50th anniversary tour.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted to go see that.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: Mellencamp was out doing his greatest hits thing.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: He was doing over two hours of nothing but hits,
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: which he hasn't done in,
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_02: you know, 20 years and Black Crows were out and different bands I went in.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_02: But these tickets were in the hundreds of dollars to go see these guys.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: And they weren't even all that great of seats.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't go to any one of those shows.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: And not 200 either.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: Not 200 either.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: Three to 500 minimum.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: Look, they just announced Aerosmith and Friends.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: Just this last week,
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: they announced Aerosmith and Friends,
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: which means you're going to get five songs from Aerosmith,
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: then you're going to get a bunch of other people playing Aerosmith songs.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: What was the tickets for that, Neely?
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: $3,000 or something?
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was some ridiculous amount, like $3,000.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's Ticketmaster, not secondary sales market.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's nuts.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I...
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_03: Live Nation has bought up all the venues,
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_03: including the small ones,
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: and Monster Energy is owned by Whoop.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of it is
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: not so much as the bands trying to pull greed, it's the overhead,
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: just to play.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but what they've done,
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: at least in my mind,
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: David, and you tell me, you're a music fan as well as an artist.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: They've taken the fun out of it.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: There was a certain amount of fun.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the money was never the issue.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: You wanted to go and see whatever it was,
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: Accept or Pantera or whoever, and it was $25 and a case of beer in your trunk.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's what you did.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_03: And a parking lot party from hell.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_03: You know, sometimes a day before...
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_03: It happened.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_03: It was an event.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_03: Camping out.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: But it never was a thought.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: It never was a thought of, can I afford to go?
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you never had that.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: You never had the stress of, well, I'm either going to pay my mortgage late and go or not go.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: Where now, I mean,
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: thousands of dollars,
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: you're literally thinking about,
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: literally, am I going to pay my mortgage this month or not?
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's stupid.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's fucking ridiculous.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just for instance, try Europe.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody wants to go electric and clean, right?
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was sitting there the other day going, okay,
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: if I rented,
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: let's say we're not going with Nightliners anymore,
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: pulling a trailer, we're in a Mercedes Sprinter, which is all electric, right?
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Charging stations are...
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, about five hours apart.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's about as much time as you have.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: So let's just say I book a tour in Germany on an electric van.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: That means I have to stop every four hours and charge that damn van overnight,
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: which means I got to play in that town.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: Is there a venue there?
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: Just the overhead, the charging and all that bullshit trickles down to the audience.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, Nostalgic Axe, Aerosmith, Tyler Can't Do It Anymore.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_03: God bless him.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_03: We've been gifted by Aerosmith for over 50 years of great songs.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_03: But $3,000 at the Hollywood Bowl.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: To see Axl Rose singing an Aerosmith song?
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: No way.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: No, or Lenny Kravitz.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they're all great artists, and they've done their thing, but...
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_03: You know what?
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_03: There are people that are going to pay it, though.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it'll sell out.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: There's no doubt it'll sell out.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_00: So who do we blame?
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll tell you who me and Neely blame.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: We blame the fans.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: We constantly are like, stop paying this money.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: I know it's going to suck for some of the bands for a year or two,
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: but you have to stop taking it in the ass if you want the prices to come to
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: a reasonable level.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_00: And right now, there's no incentive to do it.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_03: It'll keep spiraling to where it's just like we're going to be sitting
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_03: at home doing what you and I and Neely are doing,
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_03: watching live shows on a pay-per-view channel like a boxing match.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_03: If we couldn't afford to fly to Vegas and stay in the casino
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: and see Tyson punch somebody in the face in 30 seconds,
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_03: that kills me because in my day, let's say 77.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_03: Nugent, Aerosmith, Hart, and Cheap Trick.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_03: On the same bill, five bucks.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_03: General admission, the electric gate goes up and it's a herd of buffalo running to the front.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_03: That was a concert.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_03: And then the day before,
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_03: we're camped out in the grass,
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_03: smoking weed,
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_03: drinking wine, Boone's Farm, just cranking Nugent songs back in the saddle.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that was like, mom, You got to drop me off the day before because everybody's meeting.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_03: She's like, are you out of your freaking mind?
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_03: That's downtown so-and-so.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's dangerous, but I'll be with like 50 of my friends.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_03: now it sounds like it's kind of tailored to the corporate entities that have
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_03: the big tech companies and stuff.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so you got like 10 people that work for, let's say, Apple.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to get the $3,000 tickets.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: Here's your comp for working and doing such a good job,
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: not Chris and Neely being able to go to see Aerosmith and friends for $3,000.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: What are they doing?
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: They're tailoring it to that market, right?
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_03: Fuck the fan, right?
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_03: But then you said, we got to stand up and push back on this.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_03: What does that mean?
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_03: If we push back, And all those venues go out of business because nobody's gone.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's true too.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know where it ends.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's going to end with, I know where it ends.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's inching toward where it's going to end because now here in the States,
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: and you tell me if it's the same over there,
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: we have that new term,
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: Blue Dot Fever, because nobody is buying advanced tickets anymore.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody waits to see who's going to unload them Because they bought them for such
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: an exorbitant amount of money and they don't go or they can't go or whatever.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then day of show or even ahead of time,
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: they're offering three for one or four for one,
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: which is still pricey, but it's still $2.50 for a ticket is better than a grand.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of that I can blame on the bands too.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_03: They book tours.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_03: Then they go, oh, yeah, we're going to do this 14-day run in Europe, right?
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: Then they don't do the research about visa costs and the flights and all this stuff.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_03: And then, like,
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_03: the fans will say, well,
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not going to buy a ticket until I know they're going to be in the venue
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_03: that night.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_03: Because I've been fucked by purchasing pre-sale so many times that I'm just going to wait.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_03: I always talk to promoters and they're like, well, pre-sales are 300.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_03: We're getting scared.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_03: We might pull the show.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_03: Well, the place holds 500 people.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_03: I said, what about Waka?
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we might do 150.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_03: Your capacity, right?
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_03: Close.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_03: Most of my friends aren't going to whip out the credit card and buy
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_03: a ticket 18 months in advance for a show.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, who knows that we're even going to be here in 18 months?
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm Brian Adams, my son, you know, I mean, I love Brian Adams' music.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_03: I love all kinds of stuff.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_03: But he asked me, hey, man, I can get tickets right now.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_03: They're pretty good.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_03: And before they get, you know, into the stratosphere with Bryce, should we go?
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm home that day.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_03: I think we spent like between four of us, it was like 800 bucks.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_03: And then you've got to drive, you've got to have something to eat.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_03: So it's a $1,000 day.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_03: But when's the next time I'm going to see Ryan Adams in my lifetime?
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you get to.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: You're right,
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_00: and it is that double-edged sword of you almost are like, well,
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to accept getting fucked over on this deal because if I don't,
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to be watching the Robin Hood video instead
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: of actually experiencing it one more time.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_03: Or the AI guy that you're talking about of each image of each guy
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_03: that was our hero performing to a backing track.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, is that where it's going?
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_03: Are we going to go to shows where there's like holograms of,
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_03: you know, they tried it with Dio and that blew up in their face.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_03: Let's make money.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_03: He's dead.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, let's put a DO hologram up there on the screen and play background music with a band.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_03: No thanks.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we're going to find out about that next year when KISS launches their KISS.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, ABBA's been doing it.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, from what I understand, that has done very well so far.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: So we might be, I've said this for years.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's where we're going to end up at,
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: where it's all going to be holograms of these old bands.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: There's not going to be any new bands.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: And So like if you're a KISS fan, I don't think you're going to go to a show though.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think you're going to buy it for 50 bucks and watch it on your TV.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: And you're going to say, you know what?
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_00: I want to watch the KISS Dynasty tour, or I want to watch the KISS Hot in the Shade tour.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_00: And they're going to give you a hologram video of KISS doing that.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_03: I want to be I want to see,
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_03: Paul Stanley, which,
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_03: it's not going to happen with his age and everything he's done,
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_03: you know, with his fire hat on.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's a fire.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, right.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_03: Sparks flying off and bombs going off in my face.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_03: And just the experience of, you know, getting blood spit on me by Simmons.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that that was what I remember.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not going to get that off a frickin screen.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_03: Tyler, five feet from me, spitting on me, screaming back in the saddle.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that that was
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_02: Rock and roll.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_03: I mean,
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_03: I saw the Stones once and it could have been Mac Davis up there as far away
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_03: as I was,
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_03: you know, Jagger, dunking and diving like they're throwing shit out of mine.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_03: I couldn't even see his face, but hey, I'm at a Stone show, you know.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_03: The thing you said earlier, though,
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_03: but in this conversation with the sad is there are a lot of great young bands.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_00: There are.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_03: That are never going to have that chance unless something happens.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_03: And what is what is that something?
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_00: We don't know.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: We've always said that, you know, there's no one promoting it.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: There's no MTV.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: There's really no music station.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like here, there's not a, you know, there's not very many active rock stations anymore.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's all gone,
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: because,
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: and it's gone because a radio station makes more money playing
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: the same 20 classic rock, Pink Floyd, Van Halen, Rush, you know, songs.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_00: Versus trying to break a new band and failing.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_00: People will leave because they've been trained for the last 10,
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_00: 15 years to only like stuff that's old.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: So new stuff gets, it doesn't get the traction with the radio stations.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_00: So they drop it and the cycle continues.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: And we just miss on great band after great band after great band that have
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_03: come up.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's Nike advertising too.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_03: You can blame it on KFC and all those places.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_03: They're not going to promote a radio station unless that's in the loop
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_03: the four times a day of Ain't Talking About Love because they're selling Happy Meals
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_03: and the newest edition of the iPhone.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_03: They're going to put that money, that's where a radio station survives, is advertising.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_03: What the key times,
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_03: drive time,
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_03: prime time,
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_03: morning, going to work, in your car, lunch, driving home, and then 10 p.m., right?
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_03: So what Market,
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_03: target market of guys purchasing off Amazon or actually listening to the radio,
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_03: other ones whipping out their credit card, ordering those products.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_03: We go back to the drive-thru thing, right?
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's all about product.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_03: There's no validity.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_03: Human nature seems to have gone, I think the internet has fucked everything up, to be honest.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, we're on it right now, but And this is a valuable tool that we're talking about.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_03: But how many times have you had this conversation, guys?
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_03: What is the general consensus and the answer that you have?
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_00: I say it all the time.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_00: Neely, I think, agrees with me, but I'll say it.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: I just think it's done.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's over.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think entertainment as a whole...
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: Movies, TV, concerts, music.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's all been compromised by corporate.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_00: There's no rock and roll spirit anymore.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: Even the new bands.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I know we're saying that there's a lot of good bands.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I can name 10 of them easily.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: But even those bands, they're compromised by money.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: They're playing to get streams.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: They're playing to get...
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, a 10-second hitter on a TikTok video that's viral.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: They're not playing because they want to go out on the road in a van and fuck chicks
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_00: in every different city and party and do coke and have fun.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_00: Not that I'm saying that all those equate to fun, but I'm saying that that's what it was.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: It was fun.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_00: It was fucking fun.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_03: That devil's fucking right on your fucking shoulder chasing you down the street.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_03: You crash and burn, but goddammit, I had a good time.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm not gonna lie.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, those days are fucking...
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: They're done.
• 55:49
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• 56:33
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• 56:37
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• 56:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's not cool.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_03: You did cocaine backstage.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_03: You got drunk before a gig.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_03: Fuck yeah, I did.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's fucking great.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_03: I fucked two girls at the same time.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_03: You know what?
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody was crazy.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_03: It was 1982.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_03: Now it's like,
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I got to get in my cardio.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_03: I've got to get in this.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_03: And oh, this promoter doesn't allow that.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, what?
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_03: Don't say this politically or we're not going to book you.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_03: Or, you know, oh, what's his name from Pink Floyd?
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_03: Is that war with James Hetfield?
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_03: Fuck, fuck, fuck, man.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's I don't know.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_03: Rival Sons got amazing band, Dirty Honey.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_03: There's some bands out there that I'm like, why aren't these guys?
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, Rival Sons were playing a couple of years ago over here doing rock on ring.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, 150,000 people walking.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_03: Now they're playing like 3,000 seaters.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_00: St. Greta Van Fleet.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_00: Greta Van Fleet was like enormous for about a month.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: And then all of a sudden now they're, they're forgotten.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, it hasn't been that long.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_03: A month is like three years.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_03: That's how fast things go by you.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's a three-year run at the top of the game.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_03: And then it's really a month.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_03: And then it's over.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_03: And now you look at them and you kind of go, what happened to those guys?
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, that bad.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_00: You're waiting for them to come up on the classic rock station.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'll be dead.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think I'll live that long.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_03: I have this conversation all the time, and it's guys like us, the three of us.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not going to pay $3,000 to go see Aerosmith or $7,000.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_03: I forgot the other band.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_03: Metallica.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_03: You know what's weird about Metallica?
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_03: They just went through here last year with Pantera.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_03: Dude, there's 80,000 people.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_03: And the audience is like four generations.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you got great grandkids, you got grandkids, dad, pops.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's insane.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_03: That's a legacy act, dude.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_03: Iron Maiden?
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_03: I talked to a guy yesterday.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_03: He has a friend who has seen Iron Maiden over 200 times.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_03: They live to travel to see Iron Maiden.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_03: That's nuts.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_03: They used to do it.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_03: They did it in the 60s and 70s, though.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_03: There were people that lived.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, look at the Grateful Dead thing.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_03: That was weird.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_03: People lived to go follow the dead, but did they make records?
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe one hit record in their life, but everybody was allowed to record their show.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_03: It was a whole thing, you know?
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_00: That was more of a community thing than it was about the music,
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_00: because they never made good music.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, honestly.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_00: What happened?
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, the same thing with us, though, right?
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_03: The 80s.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_03: It was a community.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, true.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's true.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it depends on your opinion of communal.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the difference back then, too,
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: was—and I'm speaking only for me,
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_00: but I don't know if you were the same way or not,
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_00: Neely, or you, David—I would go to shows— And I didn't know even who the bands were.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_00: I had no idea.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't care.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_00: I would go, you know, like I was living, especially when I lived in California.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_00: I lived in California from 88 to 91, I think it was.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I was in Central.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_00: So it was about an hour drive to go to San Francisco and go to like the Omni or the Stone.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure you've been to both.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I was far enough away back then that I didn't even know who was playing.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_00: But I'll be damned if I wasn't getting in my car Friday afternoon and just going up.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm picking one.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'd be like, I'm going to go to the Stone tonight.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd get to the Stone.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_00: And some nights it would be, you know, it would be Faith No More.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_00: And on another night it might be,
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_00: the Atomic Cowboys from Hell or some band that nobody's ever heard of ever.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_00: But it didn't matter.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_00: It just didn't matter.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_00: It was about...
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_00: Going and you would meet people and you'd make friends and you'd drink
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_00: and you'd party and it was a different environment.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_00: When you got to think about $500,
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care if you make $10,000 a week,
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_00: $500 is a good enough bite where you at least have to contemplate it before you go.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: So you can't have passion anymore and Until you've at least sorted money out in your mind.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_00: And it's ruined it.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's absolutely ruined it.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's funny.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_03: I just pictured a family like, you know, you're talking about who do we blame?
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_03: Imagine like Chris Akin and Neely and Reese sitting around a table.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_03: What do we say?
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_03: Fuck those guys, that band.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not paying that.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, exactly.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_03: Is it really the band's fault?
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they're guaranteed...
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_03: Every band has got their fee, okay?
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's the other fucking lunatics that are surrounding it,
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_03: you know, that are adding those extras on it.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_03: You know, the band's got a production cost.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we got 20 guys working for us.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_03: This cost us this much.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_03: The band wants this much.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_03: That's what the promoters are faced with,
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_00: and they
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_03: go.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_00: I get that,
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_00: and I'm going to take the other side here for a second,
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_00: and I'm going to blame the band somewhat.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because a band like Metallica could clearly say if they want to,
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_00: we're not going to charge our fans this much money.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_00: Garth Brooks just announced a tour here in the States.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_00: And in country, he's as big, if not bigger, than even Metallica would be to metal.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's the guy.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: And his tour was announced.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_00: Tickets, no matter where you sit, first row, last row, $155.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_00: There's no nothing else.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_00: There's one price.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's reasonable.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_00: I still think that's a little high,
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_00: but he does put on a good big show where there is production cost and all that.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_00: But $150 is reasonable for the greatest artist in the history of
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_00: that genre versus $7,000 for the greatest artist in the history of the metal genre.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_00: The bands can
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_03: control it.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_03: Let's hope that Garth and people like that force this exuberant feat to go...
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_03: Back to reality,
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not making any more money than I made two or three years ago.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_03: Matter of fact, I'm making less money to coordinate shows.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, let's hope that guys like Garth Brooke,
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_03: who can disappear for 20 years in Mustang,
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oklahoma, because I'm originally from Oklahoma.
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_03: I know where he lives.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_03: My aunt lives down the road from him.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_03: He can take 20 years off and they go, hey, remember me?
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm the guy that brought country to the forefront.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'm the reason all these other guys are happening, the Taylor Swifts and all these people.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's me.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_03: And it's $155.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_03: Come rock and roll with me and I'll play every hit and a bunch of covers,
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_03: George Jones songs, and we'll have a good old time.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, $155 is cheaper than you're paying for Bryan Adams.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not trying to say,
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_00: all I'm trying to say is that Garth Brooks is significantly bigger than Bryan Adams.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_03: Worldwide, globally?
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'd say so.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_03: Even over here, Garth Brooks is, you know, it's weird.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I saw Blackberry Smoke over here in Italy early last summer.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a big fan.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_03: Hardworking band.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_03: To see, it's a 3000 seater,
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_03: to see a thousand tickets sold and to see a thousand Italians singing the lyrics
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_03: in English and then singing happy birthday in Italian and English to
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_03: the singer was great.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_03: And it was like 30 bucks to see the band, you know?
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_03: They're trying to crack the market.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_03: But it was an experience kind of, it gave me like a seventies Tom Petty vibe kind of audience.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's about the songs.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't the big flash, boom, bang, Rammstein show with 30 semis out front.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it looks cool and everything.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_03: It looks like a military operation, but that trickles down to the crowd, right?
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_03: You can strip down a club.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_03: You can strip down shows.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_03: They did it before in these giant auditoriums.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_03: You had a backline.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_03: You don't need 5 million LED screens and You know,
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_03: people going out on cranes out over the audience doing upside down drum solos,
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_03: right?
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_00: right, right.
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_03: Is that rock and roll?
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's a fucking circus.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_03: Right, exactly.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_03: Circus Soleil.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's a fucking rock and roll.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I guess we're the ones that kind of kicked that off, but that was their thing.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_03: Now it's, what's it cost to park your car at one of those festivals?
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_03: 50 bucks.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_03: 100 bucks.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_00: 50 to 100, yeah, depends on where it is.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_03: I played Grass Pop last year.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's 50,000 people.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_03: It was like 20 bands a day.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_03: Wolfie, Steel Panther, everybody was there.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_03: Even Limp Bizkit.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_03: It was like this crazy mix of bands.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_03: And amazing, those festivals.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_03: I think the ticket price per day was 55 bucks.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_03: Played 45 minutes, 40,000, 50,000 people.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_03: And the funny thing is they have a stage 100 yards away or further,
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_03: and the crowd turns their back and looks at you.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_03: And then when you're done, they turn around, look at that stage, right?
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_03: But backstage,
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_03: it's like the circus of everybody you've known
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_03: for 50 years is there wandering around.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_03: I ran into Ken Murray.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, Where's the stage?
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_03: I go, fuck, I don't know.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, Steel Panther run around going, where the fuck are we playing?
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it was great, but it was cheap.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_03: You know, cars,
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_03: people were like,
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_03: in the city that it's in, the people rent out their driveway, right?
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_03: So they'll park your car for like 10 bucks and you walk half a mile to the festival.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's a thing, you know, people camp out in the mud and the rain, like walking.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_03: That's another thing.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like you're talking about prices.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_03: Like a couple of years ago, Wacken was sold out three years in advance.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_03: Nobody knew it was planned.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like you said, going to the Omni.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_03: But now I played last July in North Germany and the promoter was telling me that
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_03: a lot of the crowd that was there was like 4,000 people were heading
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_03: the next weekend to Wacken and they had just sold out that week.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_03: And he goes, man, it's a sign of the times.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_03: The economy, because three years in advance, you don't even know who's playing those four days.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_03: That's an event.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's a pilgrimage, man.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_03: We're going to Valken.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's like going to Cheyenne for the NFR.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_03: For rock and roll, that's the place to go.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_03: Forgive me.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_03: I need more coffee, man.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, it's espresso, man.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's like doing blow, liquid blow.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_03: All right, all right.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_03: If you're from California, you know exactly what I mean.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_00: I've done my share of blow, that's for sure.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_03: Who hasn't?
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'd be terrified to do a line of cocaine now,
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_03: not just because of my age,
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_03: but I got a grain of fentanyl in it and I dropped fucking dead because I did a line
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_03: of blow casually with a bunch of friends.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, Reese kicked off because he did a line of coke in the 80s.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_03: If it wasn't 50 lines, it wasn't a coke party, right?
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go back and get more.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_03: It's 4 o'clock in the morning on Sunday.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_00: We used to do the thing where it was like you'd lay a line of coke down
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_00: a coffee table and do those sprinters.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_00: Who can get the furthest?
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a sprint.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_00: You're like...
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_00: All the way down across the table trying, oh, you got three feet.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_00: Three feet's the number to beat.
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_03: You got half of Van Halen.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_03: You got to the H. Oh, it's written out Van Halen with the logo.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_03: You got to H. Oh, I went to the L. Oh, yeah.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_03: I remember.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's been good.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_02: Well, David,
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_02: we started this interview off with the fact that you have a new record coming out
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_02: in November.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot about that.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_02: The payload release is coming out.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_02: And what can you tell the fans about that?
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_03: Man, give me a couple minutes if you got it.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_03: I was in France like three years ago.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_03: And playing David Rees solo.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_03: And I've been there a couple of times and I'm like, I'm not increasing my audience, right?
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_03: But when I play Bangalore choir songs,
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_03: everybody's singing, Slipping Away, Just One Night, Good Die Young.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_03: They're singing along with me and then playing some of the Eat the Eat stuff.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_03: I get in the van and I'm coming back to Italy and I'm like, I got to rebrand myself.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_03: So I called and set up.
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_03: The resurgence of Bangalore choir that I had to really like go back.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_03: I think, Chris, maybe we talked about this before.
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_03: I sat here and I studied on Target going,
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_03: the fuck am I going to go back 30 years and get in that headspace
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_03: and write songs like that?
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_03: If I do Bangalore choir, the brand, we're talking about promoters now, right?
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_03: You go for David Reese live,
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_03: but you say Bangalore choir, automatically promoters go, I'll book that.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't have to be one original member of the band.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_03: How many times have you seen that?
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_03: About 10 years?
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we had a long discussion about that last week on the show.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_03: So I decided to go back and delve into 1989 somehow and try to recreate the artwork,
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_03: the sound, the songs, and I did it.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_03: I was number one all over the frickin' place with the last record last year.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_03: Somehow it worked.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_03: This record follows the same thing.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's Bangalore Choir.
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm not stuck.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_03: I like to create people around me that inspire me and Tommy and Steve.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_03: Collaboration with that stuff.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_03: The songs are our Bangalore choir.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_03: We were a little sugary, but we were rock and roll too.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_03: You got to keep that.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_03: If you're going to be called Bangalore choir, you can't be doing something about Satan.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_03: It's Whitesnake-ish.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_03: It's melodic.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's bangle or choir music.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, Loaded Gun was our first video on OnTarget, right?
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_03: I hated that song.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_03: I hated it.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_03: And the record company looked at me and goes, well, you're a fool.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_03: If you want to play the game, you need a hit song, and this is a hit song.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_03: Went to radio, 144 stations, first day.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_03: Guy congratulated.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_03: Got a hit song, kid.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't write it, but I was wrong.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_03: Now I'm playing that song the rest of my life, which is cool.
• 1:13:19
  SPEAKER_03: But you got to think that way if you're going to call it Bangalore Choir.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_03: So Payload is another arm,
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_03: another tentacle of last year's rapid-fire succession on Target Pro 2.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_03: I'm very proud of it.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_03: I got a great band working with Tommy and Steve.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_03: I can't say enough about those guys.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, Tommy lives like five minutes from Desmond Child.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_03: He spent five years, five days a week learning the craft of songwriting.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_03: He's a great drummer.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_03: I thought, cool.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_03: And then Steve, they played with everybody from Estefan to Rod Stewart.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_03: So, I mean, that should tell you something.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_03: Did I answer your question?
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_03: Or am I in another place again?
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_02: I just wanted a little backstory on this new release and what the fans could expect from it.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_02: November 6th?
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_03: And we kick off the 24th in Holland with Vengeance Picture and Seven Minutes to Pittsburgh.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_03: The market in Holland for Bangalore Choir is pretty strong.
• 1:14:30
  SPEAKER_03: Looks like really strong ticket sales.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_03: And I do November 6th and 7th.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_03: Acoustic shows with my good friend Mario Percadani, who played with Hardline.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_03: He's playing acoustic guitar and my bass player Gorka is playing acoustic guitar with me.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_03: We're rehearsing that.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_03: And then I have a few shows confirmed.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_03: I started Spain in January.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_03: Weekend gigs and then It trickles like January,
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_03: and then you go to March, then you go to May, then you go to June.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_03: And in the festival season,
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_03: I'm kind of in contention on those matinee slots, like 3 o'clock, 4 o'clock.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_03: Not 8 o'clock, we're all the big.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_03: That's the plan.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_03: How long I will continue to do this?
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_03: Your guess is as good as mine.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_00: You're dying on stage, man.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_00: You're dying on stage.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_00: Who are you fooling?
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I thought I was going to die this morning at 2.30 when I woke up and said,
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_03: oh God, I got to do this podcast and I'm stumbling around the house.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't had a drink in 10 years, but it's like I felt hungover.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, fuck, I'm dying on stage.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_03: You're right.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let me put this to you because I don't want to get blamed for this.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_00: You're the one that said you would do this.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_00: I did not push you to do this.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, man, I'm happy to do this.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_03: And you know what?
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_03: I've got a record to promote in this.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, people got to know about it.
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_03: Of course.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and that's one good thing about this platform.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_03: Who's ever up right now on the East Coast, Eastern Time watching this?
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, man, now you know.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_02: We got a loyal audience.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_02: People are in the chat room an hour before the show starts,
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_02: and they're in the chat room an hour after the show ends,
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_02: and this show runs six hours.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's crazy.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_02: It is.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_02: They love the show.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_02: They hang out.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's a community.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_03: We go back to the community and the tribe.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_03: They're not doing the 18-inch blow lines that you talked about, Chris, on the lead glass table.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_03: They're true music fans, you know?
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_03: They're not sketching out and hiding in a closet, you know?
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, David,
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_02: where can fans find out about you since you're talking about the internet
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_02: and how it ruined everything?
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_02: But where do people find you on the media platforms?
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_03: Facebook, David Reese and Bangalore Choir, Instagram, you know, bands in town.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_03: I got a good ass kicking about that from a certain guy in the industry about how
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_03: behind the curve I am with all this stuff that I got to do to stay relevant.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_03: And he was right.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, dude, your outreach sucks.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm trying to be more active with that.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's how you can find me.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_03: Go to El Puerto.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_03: They got a bunch of stuff going on.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_03: If you're having problems with the – if you want to buy
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_03: the record physical – There are, we do have American distribution.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_03: El Proto has that indicator on their website.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_03: And they got some great bands too, El Proto, not just Dave.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I'm like you guys, you know, advertise, advertise, advertise.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_03: This is what I'm up to.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_03: If you really are interested in what I'm up to, you'll find me.
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_00: There it is.
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'd like to take us out of the interview with a song from
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_02: the new Bangalore Choir release, Payloads.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_02: So I'll let you pick the song and tell us a quick story about it.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_03: The first single has been Tear It All Down, right?
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_03: I'm going to do the second one.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_03: I've already got all the video stuff done, the AI visuals that we use now with computers.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm going to add the crowd next weekend from Holland in this show, this video.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_03: And this will be the second single.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's called Cost of the Grind.
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_03: I think the song rocks.
• 1:18:45
  SPEAKER_03: I fucking love it.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_03: So that'll be the next single.
• 1:18:47
  SPEAKER_03: You want to throw that one up?
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_02: And we'll play it.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_02: Take us out of the interview here.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_02: So the new band choir out on November 6th.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_02: Go pick it up and go visit David over at his socials
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_02: and Let them know you heard them here on the Classic Metal Show.
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_02: So, David,
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_02: of course,
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_02: you're welcome back on the show anytime you feel like getting up early again.
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_02: Love it.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_02: We'll be glad to have you.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, guys.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for everything, and I wish you all the best.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_03: Keep following people, everybody in the chat room.
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_03: Throw your opinion out there.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_03: You know what opinions are like.
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_03: We all got one.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not going to go that far, but Thank you very much.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_03: And my wife,
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_03: I'm going to go up there and hopefully she doesn't cut my head off because I had
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_03: to wake her up to help me with this.
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well, here's brand new Bangler Choir from the forthcoming release payload.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_02: And this one is called Cost of the Grind exclusively
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_00: here on your classic metal show.
• 1:19:49
  [music]
• 1:20:02
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