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The growing complexities of the US-Israeli war against Iran · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Good day.
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  Welcome to the Midday Report on the America Out Loud News Talk Radio Network, the countermomentum of spin.
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  I am your host, the Dr.
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  Franco Musio.
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  To our friends listening in the U.S.
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  and around the world, well, I always say this, there's never a lack of hard news items to keep our adrenaline going, especially, especially now.
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  Our aim, though, is to dissect out the nuances, underlying causes and foundations of these events with which we come into contact now, continuously, and in real time because we speak.
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  Therefore, the title of this broadcast, quote, uh, and we've been dedicating a lot to what's going on in Iran.
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  Uh, the growing complexities of the U.S.
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  Israeli war against Iran.
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  And I'm thrilled.
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  This is the third time to introduce retired naval aviator Captain Kenneth Rauch, Dutch, for short.
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  He he's too humble.
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  He is for his own stature in the world of aviation.
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  Captain Rauch graduated from the U.S.
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  Naval Academy in 1966, after which time his career skyrocketed, and no pun intended, just to name a few.
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  Just to name a few.
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  U.S.
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  Naval Fighter Weapons School Top Gun Instructor, Canadian Forces College, Toronto, Canada instructor, flown over 320 combat missions as an attack pilot, deployed twice to Vietnam, flew the A-4 Skyhawk and 7AE aircraft, of course air.
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  And after the above, Captain Rach became, or in between, no, after that, I'm sorry, after that, he became a test pilot for numerous aircraft to include the F-14 Tomcat, Grumman, that you saw in Top Gun One.
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  Uh the Top Gun II, or the Maverick Top Gun, the F-18 Super Hornet, his son flew.
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  So the Apple doesn't fire.
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  Apple doesn't uh what fall far from the tree.
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  He has many accolades.
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  He has the distinguished flying cross for heroism and extraordinary achievement while participating in aerial flight.
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  This is one.
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  Due to his work in the development of the shuttle aircraft, Captain Rauch was awarded a PhD from MIT's uh Nave Air Ciscom program.
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  He retired in 1993 as an 06.
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  He should be in 012 by now.
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  Um he remains an expert in Eastern.
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  There he is in the background.
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  I would, I'll give you an 012.
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  Um remains an expert in Eastern Asian and naval aviation uh affairs.
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  So welcome again to the show, Captain Rauch, Dutch, Dr.
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  Rouch.
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  Thank you.
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  You are you are quite welcome.
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  So I want to lay the groundwork, and there's so many things to obviously talk about, but you're an expert in this.
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  You really are.
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  I I want to start with the rescue missions that the United States deployed just recently.
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  And I want to have you comment.
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  I want to have you comment from your experience, your own experience.
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  And it was conducted obviously extremely well.
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  I I tried to piece together as well as I I could, and well as I can, the the individual objective facts.
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  But of course, so I would I would assume a lot of this is secret and we we don't know all of it.
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  But anyway, let me start.
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  So Friday, April 3rd.
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  The F uh 15 E-Strike Eagle, uh the call sign Dude 44, had two crew members and belonging to the to the 48th Fighter Wing of the U.S.
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  Air Force in Europe was shot down by Iranian forces.
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  Now, a second plane, an A-10 Warthog, providing cover for the F-15, uh, was struck by Iranian fire.
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  Um, and before ejecting, the pilot was able to get to the aircraft uh to Kuwait airspace and was also rescued.
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  All right, the second one.
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  Now, one pilot on the F-15E Strike Eagle was rescued seven hours later with help from two U.S.
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  military helicopters.
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  And it's according to reports.
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  But the helicopter that rescued the pilot was hit reportedly by small arms fire and wounding some members on the crew.
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  The pilot, of course, he he was rescued pretty rapidly, but that involved hundreds of U.S.
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  soldiers and and dozens of aircraft.
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  Now, then everything went quiet.
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  So there were no indications that a second airman had uh it went quiet.
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  No indications of what really happened.
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  He did it, obviously, in check safely and was in hiding, but didn't know if he was killed or captured.
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  Uh so that that was pretty harrowing.
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  Now, his call sign, dude 44A.
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  Uh, what was your call sign, by the way?
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  Or is that just Dutch?
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  But that's your real name.
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  Okay, that's a good one.
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  But that's your real nickname.
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  Okay.
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  Um he was saved within hours.
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  Now, uh the the first one, dude 44A.
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  So he had some injuries, serious injuries.
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  Now, the convoy that I said uh carried the pilot back to uh back to safety.
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  Some of them were injured.
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  Um the other gentleman, the other gentleman who is the uh the missile officer, the weapons officer, he had a handgun, he had an encrypted communication device, and a beacon, a location beacon.
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  And that particular mission was called Dust One.
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  So it's military talk for duty status, whereabouts unknown.
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  So our CIA, and I think the Iran uh the Israelis helped us, but I could be wrong.
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  I could be wrong.
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  But CIA operatives launched a deception campaign.
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  They spread word inside Iran that the forces, U.S.
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  forces already found the airman, and we're moving him on the ground on the country.
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  So that that was pretty good.
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  Saturday morning, our time, Saturday morning, U.S.
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  forces jockeyed with the uh IRG, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, the militia, the Basie militia, and and of course, local, I want to call them law enforcement, I don't know what we would call them, uh, but to reach them force.
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  So it was a very mountainous area south of Isfahan.
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  And we also learned that there were dogs, so that sniffed the F-18 ejection seats.
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  But uh, but it turned out the dogs, dogs didn't know what they were doing afterwards.
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  So I guess they were Iranian dogs, right?
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  They weren't effective at tracking tracking the scent.
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  That I guess that's the problem for them.
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  So uh but what the signals went dark in a transponder with the the gentleman, the colonel, uh, was set to ping regularly so that even if a service member sends nothing, the GPS beacon automatically emits a signal.
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  Um so for the next several hours, the team received several pings within 100 feet of each other.
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  Did you have anything like that yourself, Dutch?
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  Did you have a beacon in Vietnam?
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  Okay.
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  We had a big we had a vegan.
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  Did you have a did you have a gun?
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  Uh yeah, two guns.
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  Okay, while you while you were flying.
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  Okay.
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  Uh, yes.
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  And were they loaded or did you have the ammunition separate?
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  No, they're loaded.
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  They're loaded, but one of them was one of them with flares and the other one was ball.
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  Okay.
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  Did you have a radio with you?
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  Yes.
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  So you have the same equipment, but I gathered this certain equipment, maybe certainly updated that the gentleman had.
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  The GPS beacon and it was much better than much better than we had, yes.
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  Okay.
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  So then we had armed Iranians, including again the IRGC, again, the besieged militia.
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  Maybe we we should just destroy all of them.
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  Um, and I guess we're starting to or have been.
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  And then their local, you want to call them long enforcement, but they were all over the place.
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  And then there was a cash award.
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  It was like what almost 70,000.
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  So this to scatter the militia uh the militants in several uh in several directions, RCIA and Sencon were running all kinds of campaigns here.
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  Uh say, so they worked to dupe them into thinking the weapons systems officer was on the move.
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  So he was heading towards the border with Afghanistan or north to the Caspian Sea or en route to the south out of Iran.
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  So that was good.
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  That was really good.
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  So now to rescue him, uh Hegeth or I don't think it was Rubio, and I think may have been the president, chose a fixed wing option.
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  It was probably the um commander of CENTCOM, uh, I think, versus the Secretary of Defense, but I'm not sure.
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  So they used two MC-130 transport planes.
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  And the the intelligence we had, um, they had.
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  I I um RCIA duped them also into thinking that we would be coming with helicopters.
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  But it was it it sounded like it was kind of uh, you know, it was a rush.
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  Who got got to him first?
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  So Pentagon, 150 more than 150 planes to the effort.
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  They had 64 fighters, fighter just four bombers, 48 refuelers, 13 rescue aircraft, 26 intelligence and jamming aircraft.
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  My goodness gracious.
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  A lot of decoys to confuse the Iranian defense forces uh about um some of those air assets were so um none of the intelligence, my understanding hinted that they knew uh where the airman was.
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  So the plan was to land fixed-wing aircraft on the there was a runway there, the runway, I guess an agricultural runway or something like that.
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  Um, secure the area, offload the helicopters in pieces.
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  This is amazing from the MC one, the Hercules, uh, the transport planes, and reassemble them, which would take about 15 minutes.
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  Did you have anything like that in Vietnam?
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  No.
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  No, we didn't.
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  Okay.
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  No, they were all jolly greens.
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  Okay, Jolly Greens.
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  Okay.
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  Right.
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  Yes.
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  So I still I've heard those names, yes, even now.
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  Um, so the aviators would fly, they call them the Little Bird, MH6s, the helicopters, that would take.
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  Presumably they knew where he was seven minutes to the to the ridgeline uh where he was and then back another seven minutes of the landing strip.
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  Load him back on the MC 130s and fly out the the Iranian airspace.
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  Um so they knew I gathered the general location all the time, but didn't have his exact spot until Radcliffe told officials they could see that something was moving in the wilderness.
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  Right.
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  So what do you think of this?
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  And of course it is top secret that they were using what's called uh ghost murmur, which is technology combines the electromagnetic fingerprint of a human heartbeat and AI, artificial intelligence.
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  Did you have you didn't have anything like that?
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  No, no, we didn't.
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  No, okay.
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  That's simple.
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  No.
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  I mean, that's that's amazing.
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  So joint forces go ahead.
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  Go ahead, please.
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  No, I was gonna say that a lot of the uh capabilities that they had, you know, we had in Vietnam are the same capabilities that the uh we were using this rescue, but they've been uh tremendously updated.
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  I mean, you can't even imagine what they what they can do.
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  Yeah, the heartbeat thing is one of them.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, that I wonder of a human being.
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  I wonder if there's animals around there if they pick up the heartbeat of animals too.
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  I don't know.
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  Um so Central Command, Joint Special Operations Command.
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  Uh they received more messages from the officer himself.
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  One was a four-digit number.
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  So what is a four-digit number?
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  So it was a police code for an officer in distress or urgent assistant needed.
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  So I I don't know.
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  So then to figure that out, um, and to figure out if it wasn't somebody holding him hostage.
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  They asked him a test question about his father that only he would know, and the answer was correct.
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  And then so his uh his identity with authenticated.
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  We did the same thing.
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  You did the same thing.
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  You would have secret questions, or just like the computer does for just nowadays, the computer has secrets password.
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  Yeah, well, a password, but more than that, like who was your best friend and the name of your best friend and whatever in high school or in college or or anything like that.
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  So um, but but I think it was more than that.
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  He had transponders, he had um he had the beacon, he intermittently would use.
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  So we had A10s, B-1 bombers, they were pounding the targets.
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  Um and I I think it was one bunker with 50 RGC liters in it, and another bug or sheltering, uh sheltering on a commander.
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  So it was rough terrain.
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  The little birds um possibly couldn't land, and and he was asked.
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  Yeah, that's right.
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  He couldn't, they couldn't land up there, but they asked him to go a little lower.
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  Um, and Delta Force was there, they uh they watched over the rudimentary airfield, yeah, tactical drones, strike aircraft, provided cover, and um they were close.
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  The other the Iranians were very, very close, and so you had uh uh SEAL team six to find the airman, get him into the copter.
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  It was about what 15 minutes, and the Fort Littlebirds returned to the airstrip.
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  Now, would you have had anything like that?
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  Anything similar to that, and you said no in terms of technology, but in terms of the plants in Vietnam.
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  Okay.
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  We didn't have that many assets.
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  Yeah.
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  Typically, when you when you went down in a contested area, you had Sandy's V A1s.
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  They came in and provided close air support to keep the guys down and one helicopter.
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  So and he was flying flying different uh Layos or uh Thailand.
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  Cambodia or off of ship.
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  Yeah, off the ship.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, so so what was going on was amazing.
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  So the transfer of planes, though, they were bought down in the the soil, and and this is kind of like I think that the the sand when we tried to rescue the um the hostages in what 79, something like that.
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  Uh but those were helicopters, those were not planes, these were planes.
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  So uh I'm told that that operators on the ground, they do a soil sample sometimes to determine whether the runway would support the weight of the aircraft.
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  But there was no there was no time for that.
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  Does that make sense?
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  Yeah, they could have jumped somebody in to take a look at the ground beforehand.
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  They didn't they wouldn't have stranded two C-130s.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  So then what happened?
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  Uh I don't think it was Hex Seth, I think it was Trump that said you dropped a tune 5,000 pound pound bombs on the aircraft and just demolished them.
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  So I guess it's standard standard practice to do, but we don't want the enemy to get uh to get a hold of that that information or that technology.
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  So you have 96 service members spent time on the ground, not to count the individuals who are up in the air, and then the weapons system officer, his code named Dude 44B, uh was transported to uh, I believe Kuwait, and uh then he called his family.
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  Yeah, it's Kuwait.
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  Called his wife, called his children, everything was good.
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  Now he had Sears, S-E-R-E, survival evasion resistance, and escape.
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  Um did you have that?
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  I mean, I I'm sure you did, that training.
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  Yes, we did.
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  Yeah.
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  Um did you have to practice?
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  Yes.
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  We went through a a week of sear school.
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  It was in uh you know, below San Diego.
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  They did all the all the bunkers there and and uh holes and water borders and all the kinds of things that we could expect.
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  Did you teach realistic?
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  You were in Toronto.
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  Did you ever teach that?
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  No.
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  Never taught Sears.
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  Did you have update?
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  Did you have updates in the training?
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  Yeah, we're getting ready to employ each time they they sent us through school again.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Okay, Sears Cool.
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  Yeah, so so I mean, my understanding here, survive, okay.
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  So you you have to do yes, survival, evasion, resistance, and escape.
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  And what really what really the is uh the resistance, the code of conduct, well, they don't pay, nobody pays attention to code of conduct.
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  Uh and anti-exploitation means are are is this top secret information?
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  I suspect it oh no, okay.
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  What to do with the enemy.
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  And uh you have to have nerves of fiber, nerves of steel, I would imagine.
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  All right, Dutch.
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  Hold tight, hold tight.
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  This goes fast.
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  Uh and we have a commercial break.
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  And on the other side, we're gonna go into more of this.
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  It's fascinating.
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  So Dutch was telling me Captain Dr.
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  Roundstein.
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  He doesn't like the doctor party.
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  I don't know if anybody called you that before.
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  But you are I think you you would prefer the captain first.
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  Captain Doc.
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  Yes.
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  Actually, I prefer Dutch.
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  You prefer Dutch.
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  Okay.
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  Dutch was telling me off air that Sears came from the Brits after World War II.
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  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  So after.
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  Well, people in uh France and Belgium created escape lines that you know got our allied soldiers back and airmen.
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  They'd have been shot down and they invaded.
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  captured by the Germans in Western Europe and the British thought it was such a good idea.
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  They put together an organization called MIS 9, I think it was.
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  Which was the escape and an evasion uh organization to formalize the escape lines once the British realized they could be effective.
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  So we learned from that.
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  Right.
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  Americans learn from that.
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  Most of the most of the military have uh put together their own uh school yeah um you've never been shot down but you were very close to it you were very close to it when you had what phosphorus fumes i in the cockpit and you did you consider parachuting out uh ejecting out versus landing the plane uh on the carrier when that happened yeah i thought about that yeah you thought about that so the airplane kept flying it kept flying and then could give me home and got you home but but you were burned yeah am I not hurt yeah you were hurt yes you said you had like a one or two day respite and then you were back flying but um yeah so what made you decide not to eject the airplane kept flying and that was the massive way home yeah I could if I punched out I'd have to get you know on the ground I'd have to uh evade and try to survive I was in an over enemy territory and uh the airplane get me back okay so I fell back okay well it the caveats and this rescue mission so God is good and we know that the weapons system officer said this and initially confused everyone about God is good um so others thought it may have been a a duress code or an ambush attempt because uh the freight was phrases atypical for distress signals but his colleagues who knew his uh knew him uh that he had deep religious faith and confirmed that that was that that was him that that's when they went to the authentication uh question about the offer's officer's father to verify but that's very interesting and and there were religious overtones in the NASA mission as well so he survived 36 hours behind enemy lines and a crevice was 7,000 feet uh he was injured he was extracted by SEAL team six on Easter Sunday and then some say that well the phrase um you know Allah got his great well that contributed to fears that that it was the Iranian captors so that's kind of interesting is it not yeah we had a a series of challenges that we had answered correctly he had one but uh in fact I remember mine it was skipper my first dog oh about your dog oh okay all right so so all this is written down and uh I guess there's no no captor that would would know what that was um yeah that's interesting so um let us I want to shift gears a little bit because I've I've had this question about the Gulf states what why haven't the Gulf states retaliated and and so my understanding is and and I was saying to myself okay put myself in UAE put myself in Qatar put myself in Saudi Arabia and so so they they have a massive geographic imbalance and and their economies their desalination power infrastructure that they're all packed along that coast they're easy targets they're immediate targets and their fear of escalation but is isn't it don't you think it's extremely hard to take all of these attacks and not do anything yeah I was surprised they didn't pulverize the Iranians yeah well part they withheld fire what did we do you think we had a lot to do with that the Americans I don't know I don't know um probably would it would have helped well it would have helped if they if they fired because it looks yeah so is this called I learned a lot asymmetric warfare like uh along along the Suez not the Suez Straits of Hormuz I'll talk about that in a second that that's asymmetric but is this asymmetric as well that they're they're sending these drones going into hotels going into you know oil fields going into going into malls things like that uh in fact my wife yeah so um I mean you have a a huge much more powerful force in the United States and coupled with Saudi Arabia coupled with Kuwait coupled with UAE coupled with Qatar um and they don't really care and I guess that's that's the definition of asymmetric war is it not or are they scared?
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  Are they scared that their oil supplies or their oil refineries their what not refineries but their um uh their fields oil fields would all be bombed and even if they do invade Iran themselves even if they do kill a number of individuals in Iran still it's not worth it I mean yeah I think they were they were afraid of their infrastructure their own infrastructure coming out of this yeah coming out of it they want to keep that intact obviously yeah okay so um they hesitated yeah big time uh and they still are I mean I have to give it to them that as you said you you're surprised they didn't bomb the hell out of Iran but right but then if you look at the repercussions of that sometimes I guess it's better not to act than to act because that that's that's an action too by not acting that's an action by not acting um yeah well the straits I mean uh uh a lot of this is the straits this is why this thing is going on and on and and I often I ask myself too how in God's name because this is international waterway how could they maintain de facto control over the Straits of Hort moves and I guess you tell me well they have a Navy base right next to the strait Bonda which I've flown over um it's it's a pretty formal formidable float place and did you consider did you consider bombing it this was the 1970 yeah 70s being facetious anyway I know the uh yeah it's it's an international waterway and they have no rights to uh stop it or clog it up you know so what they're doing is uh against the international law of the sea and probably a bunch of other laws international laws but uh you know he's got to uh do something about this that'd be a a good a good campaign just to go in and wipe out the navy base and the uh associated uh shore mounted stuff that's there with our marines open the thing up so with our marines yep so another go in so no they could go in with F-18s and um Warhogs and clean it up knock out everything they've got okay so I have a question so now uh both US and Israeli strikes reportedly reportedly they've destroyed like 85 or so percent of their defense uh industrial base 90% of its regular Navy fleet not 100% but 90% so excuse me they have these swarm boats I mean these things that so we uh the the regular navy is was decimated but 50% of the IRG and small attack boats they remain operational yeah they're mobile missiles they're along the the coastline so they can hide they deploy mobile anti ship batteries I guess they have psychological blockade so so they they the the the thing of the uh mines have they put mines in we don't know but but then they threaten that psychologically so uh you know cognitive cognitive warfare and uh I the mere threat of unmapped mines or mines that have not been put in uh even that and and then they want what two million dollars per ship coming through that's crazy and it's illegal too completely illegal yeah yeah we ought to just go in there and take that uh I don't know if he's going to or not so why would you not why why wouldn't you um one reason he's probably afraid of the ramifications you're saying the the oil would go even higher the the price of oil would go even higher there would be influence on the stock negative in the stock market on the economies etc etc um do do you think the United States plan for this I mean really plan for they said they have all kinds of plans uh plan for this possibility the uh Strait of Ormuz was one of the planes
• 30:00
  Yeah.
• 30:01
  We had those plans when I was there in the 70s.
• 30:04
  Really?
• 30:05
  Okay.
• 30:06
  The plans meaning that Iran would potentially take over the straits, and then we would have to respond.
• 30:12
  All right.
• 30:13
  Right.
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  But but we've never implemented those plans.
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  And because Iran never took over the street.
• 30:22
  Yeah.
• 30:23
  Okay.
• 30:23
  Okay.
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  They did now.
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  And so what good is it that having, you know, 85, 90% decimation of their um of their military, but then the asymmetric part comes in, and the asymmetric part is beating us.
• 30:40
  Uh is actually beating us.
• 30:41
  So they're, you know, that the Iranian state media, they're they're crazy themselves, and and they're full of propaganda and and all lies.
• 30:50
  But in one sense, maybe they're not, because they do have us by the balls in a way.
• 30:56
  In a way, if we continue to allow them to do that in terms of the straits.
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  Again, using asymmetric means.
• 31:06
  I'm gathering they know all the the you know, the war play everyone knows that.
• 31:10
  Uh the CENTCCOM commander, obviously.
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  And emotionally, what you just said about just get rid of all of them.
• 31:17
  Uh, yeah, but but then the reality, the reality kicks in.
• 31:22
  Uh do you do we really do we really do do you think we're gonna do that ultimately or have to do that?
• 31:29
  I hope so.
• 31:30
  Okay.
• 31:31
  Uh first of all, you know the uh the strait is going to be taken just by sanitizing, and I mean sanitize the whole area.
• 31:39
  What an autoclave and you know, give good steam, and it'll be okay.
• 31:44
  So you're saying wipe out everything.
• 31:48
  Yeah, gonna have to take everything down.
• 31:51
  Okay.
• 31:52
  So just a simple, a simple mine layer is just enough to close it, close the waterway.
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  A mine layer could be a speed boat.
• 32:03
  Yeah, typical fishing boat that we use a sports fishing boat.
• 32:08
  You know, minds are uh alive in the uh mind of the person that uh just the threat of it.
• 32:22
  We've yeah, we mined uh long harbor.
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  Half of those mines were uh water sand filled dummy mines or dummy bombs, rather.
• 32:34
  But they made a splash of the water, they were dropped from an airplane, and and they thought they were effective.
• 32:39
  Oh yeah, they're yeah.
• 32:41
  Oh, interesting.
• 32:42
  I know I dropped, yeah.
• 32:45
  So you've dropped minds, that's not secret information.
• 32:48
  Yeah.
• 32:49
  So no, no, but you've dropped minds, but you've dropped fake minds.
• 32:56
  Oh, real minds, okay.
• 32:58
  Okay, real minds.
• 32:59
  But but the minds.
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  And also fake minds.
• 33:02
  So they could uh yeah, they could fake it and say we've done it, or or they could actually show a splash, but they may not be real minds.
• 33:11
  So if we get rid of all the whole coast, as you say, that would that would help that.
• 33:16
  What would that do to the price of oil?
• 33:20
  If we use the whole coast, yep.
• 33:22
  And drop it completely.
• 33:24
  Yeah.
• 33:25
  Oh, it would be a good thing.
• 33:28
  Yeah.
• 33:29
  Okay.
• 33:32
  Well, initially, no.
• 33:33
  Initially, but but you gotta do it for the long term.
• 33:38
  Okay, I I want your response to this because you know this culture well.
• 33:43
  My wife is Iranian, she but she came here when she was 13, and uh and has no allegiance to that regime at all, and agrees with this article that I wrote.
• 33:54
  But I I wrote some things, and I want you to comment on this.
• 33:58
  Um I'm gonna give you some paragraphs that I wrote, and I'm gonna throw it to you, throw it to you.
• 34:04
  So I wrote that, and I did this on a couple of other shows as well, not with you, but with others.
• 34:08
  So I wrote right after we bombed the B-2 bombers bombed three uh nuclear sites in the summer, during the summer, the cultural underpinnings of the United States calling Iran's bluff.
• 34:18
  So my first paragraph essentially is it is common knowledge per our tireless American envoys and those involved in Middle Eastern diplomacy, that interactions with the Iranian regime and the representatives have been fraught with their deceptions, evasive techniques, and errant lies.
• 34:35
  There are many proposed rationales for this behavior, which has strung along our negotiators, including those from other nations for years, particularly prior to President Trump's orders to carry out Operation Midnight Hammer.
• 34:48
  We're talking about last year during during the early morning hours of June 21st.
• 34:53
  So um, so this is not necessarily cognitive war that they're playing, but they're they're just errantly obnoxious.
• 35:01
  And I didn't write that, but that's what I'm telling you.
• 35:04
  So with what um Vice President Vance and the others, Whitkov uh experienced in Bangladesh, uh no, I'm sorry, in Pakistan, Islamabad.
• 35:17
  Isn't that to be expected?
• 35:20
  Or wasn't it a couple days ago?
• 35:23
  Okay.
• 35:24
  Well, there's a cultural thing they have too.
• 35:26
  It's I can't even pronounce it uh.
• 35:31
  Takiah.
• 35:32
  They lie.
• 35:32
  Take it.
• 35:34
  Okay.
• 35:34
  Right.
• 35:35
  They lie to protect their religion, and now they're lying to protect you know their survival.
• 35:42
  Well, there's another thing that I haven't seen uh covering the news at all that I think is is what's making the uh negotiations fail.
• 35:54
  The uh there's two factions of Iran that uh uh we have to work with one's the IRGC and the other one's the politicians.
• 36:04
  I think we're talking of politicians, not the RGZ.
• 36:07
  RGC, I RGZ are just rogue, they're they're just popping off missiles and drones and crazy stuff all over the place.
• 36:16
  Well, those are the military people.
• 36:18
  Yeah, yeah.
• 36:20
  Whereas we're talking to uh quote unquote diplomats, or or maybe maybe I mean the the two that on Saturday were the head of the parliament and what the foreign minister we were talking to.
• 36:32
  So I think they're just they don't they don't control the RGIRGC.
• 36:38
  I see.
• 36:39
  I see.
• 36:40
  I see the RGC that we're fighting, and then other bunch of uh implements we were with them because uh we presume they're gonna be the government.
• 36:52
  We presume that they they certainly may not.
• 36:55
  That's that's a good point.
• 36:56
  And you're right, we haven't heard much or anything about that.
• 36:59
  So, boy, time goes fast.
• 37:01
  Hold that point, hold that point, and on the other side, we're gonna talk more about the cultural underpinnings, and we're gonna go into some geopolitics.
• 37:09
  Has this extended or will this extend or affect US China, US Russia relations?
• 37:15
  We're gonna talk a little bit about NATO.
• 37:18
  We're gonna talk a little bit about the UN.
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• 38:35
  We are back with Captain Dr.
• 38:37
  Rouch.
• 38:38
  And I was um I was discussing some of the things the uh that I was writing.
• 38:44
  So Dr.
• 38:45
  I'm gonna throw this out at you.
• 38:46
  This is also what I wrote.
• 38:48
  American slash Western inductive and deductive reasoning is based upon linear and pragmatic patterns, simply depicted in the following illustration.
• 38:57
  So I wrote A goes to B, B goes to C, C goes to D, D goes to E.
• 39:02
  So in essence, such problem-solving processes are devoid of perversions of thought required.
• 39:09
  Second guessing, preemptions, forestalling, interception, etc., which is what they do.
• 39:16
  On the other hand, the Iranian problem-solving paradigm, and to a large degree that of the Middle East in general, which is well rooted throughout their history, can be depicted as the following.
• 39:26
  And what I did was I wrote a diagram here.
• 39:29
  A eventually goes to B, but B doesn't go to C.
• 39:32
  B.
• 39:33
  B goes all over the place.
• 39:34
  C is way down here.
• 39:35
  It's not linear, and then D is somewhere else, and then E goes before A, and F goes somewhere else.
• 39:41
  T goes somewhere else, and then ultimate resolution is somewhere else.
• 39:45
  So in other words, it's nonlinear.
• 39:48
  So I wrote one brief glimpse may cause visual disharmony and disruption, and no semblance of problem solving based upon practicality and reason.
• 39:57
  So uh a moving target could.
• 40:00
  kind of so we combine deceit cognitive war obnoxiousness that element into the the recent all of our negotiations but the ones a couple of days ago and then you have you have uh what people who are not in the military the head of the parliament and and the foreign minister but at the same time they represent the country but then you have the IRGC somewhere else so there's complete disunion within the country plus they don't even trust each other by the way so how can you yeah negotiate you can see we Americans are are considering the uh Iranians in this regard to be like us and not have this discontinuity but surprise surprise surprise surprise well no surprise because even in our our discussions with the uh so the nuclear going back to 2015 so with the nuclear accords and the Obama thing and then so they were actually okay to some degree others argue with me that they didn't honor that at all but then once we came out of that agreement they went they went crazy enriching uranium to what 60% doing a lot of secret things so that agreement was still on it was just that we pulled ourselves out of it but it was still on with what 10 eleven other nations so um anyway well I wrote here so the deceits evasive tactics and errant lies mentioned at the onset of this article were not only the means employed by the Iranian quote unquote negotiators in allowing for the time required for the progressive enrichment of uranium but they were also machinations deeply rooted in their culture in fact the social principle of Toro so you mentioned the tequila or takiah but but then there's a but a bunch of other names that are very similar to that is the characterization of insincerity such as making promises not meant to be kept or offending uh offering false praises it has been theorized that this practice has been historically linked to Shiites throughout the centuries has it means to protect their property honor and themselves from persecution um so although deceit and prevarication are seen among all cultures there are deep roots in Persian culture is patently demonstrated by the scores of Iranian representatives seen throughout the years in protracted dialogues with American and other Western negotiators this merely adds fuel to the fire in our own skepticism regarding successful diplomatic outcomes for this country so so let me ask you this so what do you think of that first that's good that's that it well you you captured the uh yeah you've captured the uh interior of Iran for sure okay so uh go ahead they're crazy lunatics and they they have a they're based on religion not on other principles for government and we just can't we can't comprehend that no no no and my wife said that she says what we think linearly they think like you know all over the place and we just don't think that way consequently negotiations are for not so i i just thought of something this moment we had negotiations with them you remember in Oman we had a couple indirect negotiations in Oman or maybe one and then we went to Geneva and a couple indirect negotiations in Geneva this is before February 28th when we attacked um and so was that a pretense because we already knew the results that they were going to lie that they were gonna that they wouldn't accept our proposals all of that and then they said oh well what about you know we wanted them our their their um missile anti-aircraft missile uh capabilities that's one and then hezbollah and Hamas and Houthis two and then of course that the nuclear uh ambitions they said no no no no no only the nuclear and and to that now we had that one set of negotiations a couple days ago we already know do we not what's going to come with that now they they negotiated for 21 hours but is this a pretense or laying the foundations for wiping out like you said uh the Straits of Hormuz well we had to satisfy the Western world and negotiate and that's done now and now we could we can go back to the uh international community and say you know we tried and bomb them into oblivion so already knowing ahead of time the results yeah yep okay already knowing that they're gonna lie that it's not gonna come to anything so it the the writing basically the writing has been on the wall uh and is is on the wall has been and is on the wall the any kind of contact even if if the uh Pakistanis and now I guess the Chinese wanted to get involved and and other countries to help facilitate and in fact there there were some Chinese there were some uh other countries representatives what they did I don't know I think they just got a free plane ride to go there and go to the hotel because I I just don't know now a couple things on geopolitics so I want to talk a little bit about the impact on US China US Russia relations you know China very well you know China you know Taiwan very well I thought that this was going to put us in an upper level and and uh uh what next month Trump's gonna meet with Xi Jinping but uh do you think this is good for the US in terms of leverage with in in our relations with yes okay you think so I I think so in what way oil yeah so do you remember what some uh his his articulations he said it would be an honor to give oil to China do you remember that it would be an our our our honor to buy it from the US yes well well we got it from much of it from Venezuela but it would be our honor to to help the Chinese but but I thought that was good that was good that was good he's he's really good in terms of that so he uh he can give you a little bombasting but yeah that was there's a a little a little no but but his choice of wording it's like Senator almost like Senator Kennedy uh from Louisiana not as good as Senator Kennedy but um so in terms of the Taiwan issue you know that's been kind of the back burner will that help us uh in terms of protecting Taiwan do you think I think so yeah we gotta do something about the Chinese applying um weapons to the Iran I I heard yesterday on the TV that uh China's loaded a ship full of their their stuff uh market fuel is a big thing for uh ballistic missiles so I thought I thought we decimated most of those well yeah I know it but yeah the RG I RGC has got some someplace you know they got more fuel for them yeah and so that's sort of said the timeline so it's a Chinese ship has got to get two Iran and uh that's about two weeks so we got two weeks to work with to get re supplying and we blow that ship up no as Chinese Chinese ship I know well what about Russia you say China I would say Russia is helping the uh Iranians even more but say you don't well you know you know Russia I know you know Russia I know you know their their very well this is a big variable in this equation and um I don't know that you you you never flew over Russia or you could have I I don't know no no or you're not not allowed to tell me but um yeah uh but how does this bode for the US Russia relationship well again as loyal and uh Russia you know is isn't gonna be terribly limited amount of Russia oil again so well anti-aircraft missile anti-aircraft uh missiles and weapons and capabilities and you know uh putin told told uh on the phone told Trump what month ago or so what can I do to help what can I do to help yeah yeah remember that and Trump said Vladimir you we you have your own issues or something like that or we have our own issues with you but how can I help I like that I like that meanwhile meanwhile they're I I think they're helping the Iranians so how you can help is keep your goddamn hands uh I'm sorry I said keep your hands out of uh out of there um so uh uh I know you're you're a big proponent of NATO and no I'm kidding I'm you're not you're not
• 50:00
  You're not.
• 50:00
  You're not.
• 50:01
  Because NATO has changed.
• 50:03
  NATO has morphed.
• 50:05
  The purposes of NATO are now very different.
• 50:17
  Excuse me.
• 50:18
  Right.
• 50:19
  So what?
• 50:23
  They're 32-member alliance.
• 50:25
  And what do you think of this?
• 50:27
  I know what you think of this.
• 50:28
  Spain.
• 50:29
  So they blocked our our airplanes or warplanes from using their airspace.
• 50:32
  Then I'd access the naval station rota and we're on air base.
• 50:36
  Italy.
• 50:37
  Surprised the hell out of me.
• 50:38
  They restricted us from using Sigonella in the Sicily.
• 50:41
  But but then they're saying something different.
• 50:43
  The Italians are saying something different.
• 50:45
  No, that was a procedural, procedural issue with the contact of uh the conflict with Iran.
• 50:52
  And that anything, any potential carrying of weapons or meaning for combat missions, no, can't do that.
• 51:01
  But our parliament has to, we have to review each each case case by case, and parliament has to vote on this.
• 51:08
  So that's that's another thing.
• 51:10
  Like, what is that all about?
• 51:12
  Um, no, I I didn't understand that.
• 51:15
  Then we have what?
• 51:16
  France restricting airspace.
• 51:18
  We have Germany, Germany.
• 51:20
  Uh that we can use their airspace like Rammstein, for example, but but they openly criticized it.
• 51:26
  And then but other nations they have a lower profile.
• 51:29
  They um that they're only a few.
• 51:33
  But they're all saying no, no, no, U.S.
• 51:35
  no, but uh a few nations like Romania support it, which is good, and Hungary, maybe I think.
• 51:42
  But so what about that?
• 51:45
  Well, yeah, NATO reminds me of the little kids that are playing catch alongside the NFL ball game.
• 51:54
  They want to be, and they just will never be.
• 51:58
  So it does.
• 52:02
  No, just let the uh, you know, we should keep NATO.
• 52:07
  Let the uh country uh company uh countries disatrophy within it and move our our forces and everything else to the east.
• 52:20
  Okay.
• 52:21
  So the east like where, such as movies, the ones that are closest to Russia, they know what the uh alliances for.
• 52:38
  And let's bring them into the fold.
• 52:40
  So so they they play a much uh more important role or picture at this point in time.
• 52:47
  And the Spanish, for example, I guess we need the Azores, don't we?
• 52:52
  We need um we need the Azores, but but I I guess we can have individual discussions with individual countries.
• 53:01
  But um, you know, you know, think about this.
• 53:04
  Iran could send nuclear missiles to Rome to London to Paris to uh all these countries to German cities, they could.
• 53:17
  So why why isn't that in the equation?
• 53:21
  It it it very well should be in the equation, because they have they have embassies, they I mean for Italy.
• 53:26
  I know there's quote unquote close relations.
• 53:30
  I think the Iranians could care less about that that they would um they would attack Italy if if need be.
• 53:38
  They would attack uh, I mean, their their ultimate aim is is Israel and us.
• 53:44
  But if they if we withdraw our bases and go to Poland or Lithuania, Greece, I was in Greece for two years at Hellenicon Air Force Base, right outside of Athens, but you know, and we had we had Air Force, obviously we had Army, I was in the Army, but I was working with the Air Force, and then Navy, we have Navy, a lot of Navy, uh everything after the Cold War, you know, uh came out.
• 54:10
  So but the Baltic states along with Poland, we go there, and uh yeah, and I I because we have leftist governments that we're dealing with, not Italy so much, but look at Spain, look at France.
• 54:24
  Um so politics play a role as well in NATO.
• 54:29
  Well, I've got a small data point.
• 54:31
  Go ahead.
• 54:32
  Yeah, I went to Germany to see my son uh last fall, and the place was overrun by Muslims.
• 54:41
  Why is that not a surprise?
• 54:45
  Lots of Muslims, yeah.
• 54:46
  And I'm I'm I'm I'm concerned that they're uh modifying or uh moderating their response because of the Muslims.
• 54:54
  That's a good point.
• 54:56
  That's a good point.
• 54:57
  Well, look at England, you can't even recognize it anymore.
• 55:00
  London, London.
• 55:02
  My son is at LSC London School of Economics.
• 55:05
  Can't you can't recognize London?
• 55:07
  You really can't, yeah, yeah.
• 55:08
  And unless this is part for money, meaning they get a lot of money from UAE, and but these are very wealthy Muslims, by the way, very wealthy Muslims.
• 55:18
  Oh, yeah.
• 55:18
  But but then but but others know, others know.
• 55:22
  Um so they're opening the doors as we had uh we meaning the Biden administration, uh the border, the southern border.
• 55:33
  But uh, yeah, that that's that's an issue as well.
• 55:37
  But by the way, by the way, Iran Iranians do not like the Arabs, okay.
• 55:44
  They don't, and and now the Arabs really don't like the Iranians.
• 55:50
  So maybe in retrospect, this is gonna push the Muslims in uh you know in the Gulf states more towards the Americans and towards the Israelis as well.
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