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True Romance (1993) with Revolutionary Rhetoric podcast · Left of the Projector

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  Evan Intro: Hello and welcome to Left of the Projector. I am your host Evan,
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  Evan Intro: back again with another film discussion from the left.
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  Evan Intro: This week on the show, my guests are from the Revolutionary Rhetoric Podcast,
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  Evan Intro: This week's film is True Romance, directed by Tony Scott, written by Quentin Tarantino.
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  Evan Intro: It stars Kristen Slater, Patricia Arquette, Dennis Hopper, Val Kimmerer,
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  Evan Intro: Gary Oldman, Brad Pitt, Christopher Walken, and many others.
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  Evan Intro: The film was released in 1993, was not much in the box office,
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  Evan Intro: with a budget of $12.5 million, netting only $12.6 million.
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  Evan Intro: However, I think over the years, The Legacy, looking back on it,
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  Evan Intro: it is a much better film than the box office showed.
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  Evan Intro: And as you'll see from our discussion, that it is a pretty iconic film from this period.
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  Evan Intro: I hope you enjoy this week's episode on True Romance.
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  Evan: All right well we will get into the conversation this week on true romance thank
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  Evan: you both for joining me today.
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  tyler: Thanks for having us yeah.
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  Kennan: Thanks for having us man.
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  Evan: Absolutely and i guess before we jump in i already kind of told everyone you
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  Evan: have uh your own podcast revolutionary rhetoric but before we jump into the
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  Evan: conversation do you want to tell everyone about it where they can find it all those good goodies.
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  tyler: Yeah sure thanks uh yeah it's just revolutionary rhetoric podcast kind
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  tyler: marxist perspective we just take two three four stories a week and just kind
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  tyler: Revolutionary Rhetory.
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  Evan: But yeah, so I know when I sent you both the list of films that I chose,
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  Evan: you immediately chose True Romance. And well, I guess one of you did.
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  tyler: Yeah.
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  Evan: I don't know. Do you want to say, you said before we were on,
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  Evan: you said it's your favorite movie. But I guess before we, that doesn't really
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  Evan: need much other explanation on that. That's why you chose it.
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  tyler: That's why I chose it. Yeah. I was looking down the list and I saw True Romance
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  tyler: and I was like, that's the one. I mean, there were a couple of like,
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  tyler: the entire list was like just solid bangers. So I was like kind of.
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  tyler: hype for any one of them but then i came across true romance
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  tyler: and i know that kanon hadn't seen most of those movies uh in our
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  tyler: podcast we kind of clown on kanon for just not really
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  tyler: having seen any movies uh and like that's kind of my time for that that's like
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  tyler: my my bag is like movies and i'm a big like kind of i hate the saying movie
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  tyler: buff but i'm gonna be douchey and say i'm a movie buff and like all of those
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  tyler: were good picks but then i saw true romance and just that being my favorite
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  tyler: movie i just wanted to share that with kanon so that's why i kind of pitched
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  tyler: that that's sweet yeah that's.
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  Kennan: Very sweet of you.
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  Evan: No that's i like that it's uh it's it's always interesting there's
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  Evan: another podcast i listen to where a movie podcast and they often will do a movie
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  Evan: where one of them really loves it the other one has never seen it and then it
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  Evan: becomes kind of interesting because you want to get to see them talk about it
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  Evan: for the very first time or see it for the very first time and you know i don't
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  Evan: know maybe they'll uh have the same love for it or maybe they won't.
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  tyler: Yeah i mean i'm we haven't spoken about it since actually too because i kind
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  tyler: of just watched it earlier so i i'm curious to hear what kanan's thoughts are about my.
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  Kennan: Problem is like i don't like watching movies that i love with other people because
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  Kennan: i'm always nagging i was like this is the part where this.
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  tyler: Happens pay attention pay attention pay attention any of like my favorite movies
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  tyler: with my wife because she like could not give a shit less about movies so that's
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  tyler: the same thing i guess i'm like pay attention yeah.
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  Evan: I can understand that it's it's uh you know anytime you watch something where
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  Evan: even though i watched a movie with my kids and i'll have seen it a bunch of
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  Evan: times and i'll be saying the quotes and they're like shush shush we're trying
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  Evan: to watch this well it's like your movie is like a single movie.
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  Kennan: But my favorite movies lord of the rings and having to put my girlfriend to
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  Kennan: watch that it took us three years she we finally just finished it.
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  tyler: The hobbit and the lord of the rings yeah it took us three years.
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  Kennan: To watch six movies.
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  tyler: Damn yeah.
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  Kennan: Extended editions the the lord.
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  Evan: I actually just saw in the theater um the they put the first sorry no it was
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  Evan: the yeah the fellowship of the rings extended edition in the theater for i think
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  Evan: it was two weekends and i went to see.
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  Kennan: It as well also.
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  Evan: One of my favorite movies.
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  Kennan: I would watch return of the king and uh the two towers with her because she
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  Kennan: hasn't seen those either so we're like let's just hit them back to back this
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  Kennan: is taking way too goddamn long to watch these movies i mean.
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  tyler: It's a good timing they're back in theaters it's kind of.
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  Kennan: Easy four and a half hours it was like an entire flight to like across the oh yeah.
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  Evan: I mean seeing those in the theater is uh is always a treat but so
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  Evan: normally i mean sometimes i throw out like a little quick little uh fun thought
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  Evan: experiment icebreaker and usually i go with the very uncreative uh you know
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  Evan: if you could have dinner or drinks or something with like an actor living or
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  Evan: dead would you uh who would you pick yeah.
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  tyler: I thought a lot about this since you sent this list list of questions and uh
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  tyler: i think i gotta choose paul newman i don't i actually don't know paul newman's
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  tyler: politics that's kind of the one caveat to that is i don't know if he's like
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  tyler: some like died in the wool conservative or something which would be annoying.
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  Kennan: But it's a rush limbaugh daily but i.
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  tyler: Don't know i i was real big on butch cassidy and sunday scan and the sting when
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  tyler: i was growing up too my mom showed me those two movies those are like true romance
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  tyler: my favorite movie but i i kind of have this list of like top whatever movies
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  tyler: and both the paul newman robert redford uh movies are on there and just the
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  tyler: sting has a special place mark so i think paul newman would probably be probably be mine.
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  Kennan: That's a good choice i've honestly never seen this movie have you okay well
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  Kennan: have you heard of him have you heard of oh god.
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  tyler: Butch cassidy and the sundance kid nothing.
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  Kennan: Okay i okay okay after that oh my god dude i'm gonna
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  Kennan: make you a list oh my god um i don't know personally
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  Kennan: i i wrote ian mckellen just because lord of the rings and i'm
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  Kennan: just like i think i put too much energy in lord of the rings and i forgot other
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  Kennan: things existed for a long time that hyper fixated yeah just hyper fixated just
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  Kennan: my fucking adhd and probably probably a bit autistic as well yeah he's funny
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  Kennan: but uh i i think i might change that answer to um god what's his face,
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  Kennan: holy crap i blinked on his name and it's like the one of the biggest comedic
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  Kennan: stars of all time kevin hart no it's from the truman show oh jim carrey jim
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  Kennan: carrey i don't know why he popped out of my head but yeah i love like the ridiculousness
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  Kennan: of jim carrey and i think I think that would be just like a fabulous time.
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  Kennan: pick his mind just like what the fuck is going on in your brain i.
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  Evan: Think a lot actually from from all.
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  tyler: Like the.
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  Evan: Painting he does and all this stuff i think he's got a lot.
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  tyler: Going on i would have to push back on that the only thing i know
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  tyler: about jim carrey like personally is the quote from tommy lee jones and
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  tyler: filming um was it batman and robin or batman
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  tyler: forever one of the one of the batman sequels whatever one jim carrey
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  tyler: and um and tommy lee jones were in i guess tommy jones just absolutely fucking
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  tyler: despise working with jim carrey because he was just like a clown the entire
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  tyler: time and he said something the quote was something like i just cannot sanction
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  tyler: your buffoonery and it was just like tommy lee jones just wanted out and like
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  tyler: i just imagine that would be really obnoxious dinner date not to shit on your pick sorry i.
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  Kennan: Would i'd be clowning with him we'd be going off into like public uh spheres
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  Kennan: and jumping on tables oh sorry jumping on tables and like shouting obscenities yeah.
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  tyler: Yeah i just want to sit down and have a whiskey and a cigar and have a refined
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  tyler: dinner or he can be an absolute.
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  Kennan: Prick and be like i don't i.
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  tyler: Think he's a nice guy from what i know i.
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  Evan: Wouldn't yeah i could see him being more serious now you know that was sort of his younger uh.
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  tyler: Yeah ace ventura days movies like that days.
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  Evan: I actually like uh ian mcclellan as a as a pick
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  Evan: i'm not gonna steal that from you but that would be
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  Evan: a nice one to do i also would love to um i think actually you know i think it
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  Evan: would be vigo mortensen and i'm also a huge lords and rings fan and he also
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  Evan: has great he always says cool stuff and he recently said if they if you Peter
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  Evan: Jackson called him up and wanted to have him in a Lord of the Rings thing, he'd just do it.
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  tyler: Neil Mortensen's a good pick too.
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  Evan: Of course he would.
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  tyler: By all accounts, he's a super kind and generous guy.
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  Kennan: Just a genuine character. Yeah.
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  Evan: He went on TV during the... I guess it was the Two Towers right after 9-11 and
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  Evan: wore the No Blood for Oil shirt right on Charlie Rose's TV show.
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  Evan: You could have gotten blackballed from Hollywood.
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  tyler: That was a pretty bold time to do that for sure.
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  Kennan: Yeah well i think he so.
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  Evan: I'll give him props.
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  Kennan: Oh yeah i think i think he's always been a really good character um he's
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  Kennan: never went for huge movies he didn't really go for the money and from what i
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  Kennan: understand he went to do lord the rings because his son loved the books that
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  Kennan: was all right yeah yeah and so like that kind of speaks to what kind of person
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  Kennan: he is he always went for like there's like um smaller indie movies yeah.
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  tyler: He is he's in these two movies that i just i adore um eastern promises and history
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  tyler: of violence if you haven't seen either one of those i.
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  Evan: Knew you're gonna say i knew you're gonna say history of.
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  tyler: Violence they're so good yeah they're just kind of.
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  Kennan: Some more recent one with like the a racial film as well like about like racism
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  Kennan: and like the 60s oh uh green book with yes masha.
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  tyler: Or paula ali.
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  Kennan: Yeah but that was good too yeah i haven't seen that one yet i want to see it mahar.
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  tyler: Shala that.
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  Evan: One was like a pretty big uh did it did it win best picture or.
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  tyler: Yeah i think it was it was nominated for sure i don't remember if it won that
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  tyler: year was like 2019 or 2018 whatever that was yeah,
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  tyler: I could be way off on that year. That was a good one. I actually watched that pretty recently.
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  Evan: I actually haven't seen that one, but I've seen a lot of his new,
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  Evan: but you're right. He doesn't like do, you know, he's done. I'm looking at like his list.
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  Evan: He's done, you know, some here and there. He did like the psycho remake,
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  Evan: which I don't think I ever saw, which I'm sure is.
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  tyler: That was like the Vince Vaughn one or whatever. Yeah. I didn't see that.
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  Evan: Yeah.
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  tyler: I never saw that.
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  Evan: Yeah. I can't imagine that was good, but, um, but yeah, so, I mean,
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  Evan: I guess, I guess this would be a good moment to say, since one of you,
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  Evan: it's your favorite movie for you, Ty, and And then, Kanaan, it's first time seeing it.
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  Evan: I'm curious, both of you. I guess I'm more curious, Kanaan, what's your thoughts
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  Evan: on the movie? You know, you just saw it for the first time.
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  Evan: What would you say your impressions of it is?
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  Kennan: I think it was a very good movie. It was very well.
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  Kennan: I like the whole storyline and how it all comes together at the end.
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  Kennan: And it was just like a big bang.
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  Kennan: But it was kind of cliche a little bit from like the 90s. You know,
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  Kennan: you could tell this was like a late 80s, early 90s.
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  Kennan: they're trying to they're slowly getting away from like those one-liners and like more into,
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  Kennan: like a crime story kind of sense but i i liked it i liked it it wasn't it wasn't
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  Kennan: super cliche but it still had a little bit bit of that factor in there and i i really liked it yeah.
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  Evan: And for you ty what would you say it's being in your favorite movie what what
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  Evan: do you what would you say is your do you have a memory of actually seeing it for the first time i.
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  tyler: Don't remember seeing it for the first time um i had
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  tyler: a good friend of mine a long time ago and both uh him and i just kind
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  tyler: of to challenge each other we was we watched a lot of movies we like we used
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  tyler: to go to like a lot of like um we play a
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  tyler: lot of movie trivia games we do like we were like super nerdy about
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  tyler: it and so we were just trying to like find just cool movies to show each
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  tyler: other and that was one that i stumbled across i don't even remember how i
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  tyler: found it but i just i don't know i just fell in love with it i think
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  tyler: i i agree with a lot of what kanon says i think it is
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  tyler: very like of the times of the early 90s
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  tyler: and so it kind of has that vibe to it but i think what sets
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  tyler: it apart is like the chemistry mystery that
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  tyler: all of the actors have with one another that kind of like push
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  tyler: it past that like into past the
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  tyler: cliche and kind of into its own like higher achieving level of like where it
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  tyler: just it does stand apart i think it is more memorable than just like you know
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  tyler: other movies of the time even by the same um like director like thinking of
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  tyler: like last action not last action hero last boy scout and like all of these movies
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  tyler: kind of from the early 90s that like were in a very similar um.
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  tyler: Genre i guess but i think this one is just more i think hans zimmer has a lot
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  tyler: to do with that i think quentin tarantino has a lot to do with that um tony
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  tyler: scott is a pretty like you know i don't want to kind of shit on tony scott but
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  tyler: he's kind of like a lot of his movies were kind of more just generic action
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  tyler: movies i think all of his his entire filmography apart from this is kind of bland
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  tyler: um so there's some there's some good movies in there i did like deja vu which
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  tyler: came a little later but i think this is by far a standout and i think that has
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  tyler: a lot to do with just the chemistry of the two leads the writing the score and
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  tyler: tony scott's vision and direction yeah.
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  Evan: I mean well it's interesting you mentioned it being
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  Evan: um sort of like this i don't know cliche and you
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  Evan: know very 90s in a way i almost feel like that might have been sort of what
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  Evan: they were going for and especially when you think of the title sort of being
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  Evan: one of these sort of pulpy i mean it's also i think tarantino said that he was
• 12:52
  Evan: thinking about this movie pulp fiction natural born killers like all kind of
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  Evan: being in the same little universe.
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  tyler: Yeah they were that was originally the same it was the same script originally um
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  tyler: the screenwriter for natural born killers or the script
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  tyler: writer i guess gave his first version to tarantino because
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  tyler: they worked at a video store together and tarantino gave him back a 500 page
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  tyler: handwritten like manuscript and that ended up being cut and two separate movies
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  tyler: were made from that which was natural born killers and this so they were kind
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  tyler: of like like twins almost in the womb kind of these movies so that's why there's
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  tyler: a lot of parallels between the two because they were kind of like one story
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  tyler: that was then divided. Yeah.
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  Evan: And I, and it was funny as he loves or he mostly loves Tarantino,
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  Evan: loves, uh, true romance, but hates natural war killers.
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  Evan: He thinks, uh, Oliver stone butchered that.
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  tyler: So I agree. I don't like natural more killers. In fact, I don't really like
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  tyler: any of Oliver stone's movies.
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  tyler: I know that might be like blasphemy to say on a movie podcast,
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  tyler: but I think Oliver stone's kind of like overblown a little bit,
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  tyler: um, kind of like bloated.
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  tyler: I digress. I mean, I think, I think everything that we've kind of said,
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  tyler: I think is what makes a true romance work in that, in that regard of like just the tightness of it.
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  tyler: And I think it was trimmed down and I think originally, um, well,
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  tyler: I'll save that for later.
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  tyler: We've got some more trivia. I'm happy to divulge later.
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  Evan: Well, and one, and I was, I think I mentioned, I was, I was watching this,
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  Evan: uh, maybe it was last week and I think I posted somewhere online,
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  Evan: like, you know, I can't think of any movie in the nineties that maybe had a better cast from,
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  Evan: every single side person the main characters everyone you know like samuel jackson
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  Evan: in it for a minute you have you know all these people in there and it's like
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  Evan: you said it doesn't work without everyone together and it just is stacked with
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  Evan: people i mean i mean yeah the amount of.
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  Kennan: Iconics and yeah.
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  tyler: Yeah i i agree and to answer your question you
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  tyler: pose that question like is there another movie from this kind of era with
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  tyler: a stacked cast and i think ironically enough speaking of oliver
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  tyler: stone i think jfk might become closest of like just everybody in jfk and also
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  tyler: gary oldman as as lee harvey oswald and jfk but i think that's kind of that
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  tyler: maybe comes close but i don't i don't think there's another movie except also
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  tyler: maybe like his other tarantino movies like pulp fiction perhaps that has like
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  tyler: as big of a cast yeah um the.
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  Evan: Only other one i was thinking uh which i actually just i haven't released it
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  Evan: but i just didn't recording on it is uh heat which probably maybe doesn't have
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  Evan: quite as many people in it but it has a pretty.
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  tyler: Everyone in it is you know you just have yeah yeah even like the kind of the
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  tyler: more i don't know like i think that's where like a lot of those guys shine is like, what was his name?
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  tyler: Dennis Haysbert and, um, and, uh, Danny Trejo and just everybody in heat is just crushing it.
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  Evan: Yeah, you have Henry Rollins as like this little side guy. Yeah, Hank Azaria.
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  Evan: Hank Azaria, true, too. Yeah, it's just got like, and Jeremy Piven,
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  Evan: I think, plays like a doctor.
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  tyler: Is Jeremy Piven in that?
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  Evan: Yeah, so I mean.
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  tyler: These- Jeremy Piven, okay. That's cool.
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  Evan: Yeah, he's in it for, I think, less than a minute, maybe not even a minute,
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  Evan: like 30 seconds. I think he does like a surgery or something on one of them after they get shot.
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  tyler: Oh, okay.
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  Evan: Anyway, it could go, that's, you can listen to the Heat episode.
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  tyler: I'm looking forward to it, nice, yeah.
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  Evan: So one of the things that I was looking into is, you know, obviously when I'm,
• 15:45
  Evan: this is a leftist film podcast, we're thinking it from those ways.
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  Evan: I don't often look at a movie and say like, it's very clear.
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  Evan: You could almost see these two competing ideas, like, you know,
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  Evan: in a dialectical sense. And I think the two pieces of it that jumped out to
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  Evan: me as is like this reality versus fantasy.
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  Evan: And you have multiple characters in this movie, primarily like the leads,
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  Evan: you know, Christian Slater and Patricia Arquette, as sort of having competing
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  Evan: things in their mind of like their actual reality of, you know,
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  Evan: the life that they live, and then this fantasy that they want to live.
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  Evan: and it all comes together because christian slater's
• 16:23
  Evan: character likes comic books he works in a comic book store like
• 16:26
  Evan: one of the first scenes you see is him showing spider-man number one which i
• 16:30
  Evan: think is kind of a good kind of a perfect scene in terms of kind of uh foreshadowing
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  Evan: of the rest of the movie but i don't know what you think about that as a kind
• 16:38
  Evan: of like a backdrop for for the whole film itself as this just you know the reality
• 16:43
  Evan: and the fantasy of all the different characters.
• 16:45
  tyler: Yeah i think so i mean i think it's been um likened i
• 16:48
  tyler: think it was tony scott pushed because the original script i
• 16:51
  tyler: guess had both of the leads die in the end in the shootout they were supposed to die and
• 16:54
  tyler: that was the ending that tarantino really was pushing for and i guess tony scott
• 16:57
  tyler: had to really like convince tarantino to let them live because i
• 17:01
  tyler: think he to quote tony scott he said it was because it
• 17:03
  tyler: makes it more of a fairy tale and i think that's kind of like it's a happily ever
• 17:06
  tyler: after kind of story so i think that kind of answers your question of
• 17:09
  tyler: like yeah there is a lot of like almost fantasy elements to this in
• 17:12
  tyler: terms of like not like fantasy the genre but fantasy
• 17:15
  tyler: isn't like i mean christian slater is clearly either like disassociative
• 17:18
  tyler: or a sociopath i mean he's like you know he's seeing elvis and you
• 17:21
  tyler: know in in the bathrooms and stuff yeah so bad
• 17:24
  tyler: yeah so like what the fuck who's this guy both christian slater
• 17:27
  tyler: and patricia arquette's characters are like you know they have some kind of
• 17:30
  tyler: like mental health issues like whatever you want to call it so there
• 17:33
  tyler: is like this fantasy element to the whole movie but yeah i
• 17:36
  tyler: don't know i think it is it's hard to pin because that's
• 17:39
  tyler: this like it's almost like an underlying thing to the
• 17:42
  tyler: main like reality plot so there's this fantastical element that kind of of underpins
• 17:46
  tyler: the entire story as it moves forward in this very real very like grimy kind
• 17:50
  tyler: of real world crime caper while at the same time having like these kind of touchstones
• 17:54
  tyler: of like fantasy of like you know elvis visiting christian slater in the bathroom
• 17:58
  tyler: every time he goes to the bathroom stuff like that.
• 18:00
  Kennan: The bathroom because.
• 18:01
  tyler: Just where he's alone you know.
• 18:02
  Evan: Yeah that's where elvis died oh yeah and that's where that's.
• 18:06
  tyler: A good point i actually hadn't even considered that that's.
• 18:08
  Kennan: A good point like legit.
• 18:09
  Evan: I mean i don't i don't know if that's why they did it but it makes sense right yeah.
• 18:12
  Kennan: Well just a little bit of backstory it's like hell yeah like you know he died
• 18:15
  Kennan: in the bathroom but like where does he where he's gonna see elvis we gotta throw
• 18:18
  Kennan: him in there twice so you know just make two bathroom scenes and call it good yeah.
• 18:21
  Evan: Yeah and the and it's interesting well kind of to to the point of the kind of
• 18:26
  Evan: the like grimy reality i mean if you took away sort of the fantasy aspect of it.
• 18:31
  Evan: You really have, you know, you obviously start out in Detroit,
• 18:34
  Evan: which at the time is, you know, a city that's kind of on the downward slope, to say the least.
• 18:42
  Evan: And then they go to LA in the early 90s, which is definitely,
• 18:45
  Evan: you know, it's much different than it is today, or even, you know, in the heyday.
• 18:50
  Evan: So it's kind of like these two places where if it was just that without any
• 18:53
  Evan: of that fantasy side, it's, you know, it's pretty, everyone is pretty dark and
• 18:57
  Evan: all the you know quote unquote bad guys you know the the drug dealer drexel
• 19:01
  Evan: uh played by olben which brilliant.
• 19:03
  tyler: Scene with him and.
• 19:05
  Evan: Then you have the you know the um the christopher walken and the sicilians it's
• 19:10
  Evan: all just like everyone is just out for themselves and uh it's kind of kind of
• 19:16
  Evan: perfect that the pinnacle scene is just everyone shooting at each other.
• 19:19
  tyler: Yeah with.
• 19:20
  Evan: No regard for anything.
• 19:21
  tyler: Which yeah like i think that's that's true like if you take away
• 19:23
  tyler: those kind of fantasy elements to it if you take away like his kind of childlike
• 19:27
  tyler: you know comics and and sunny chiba like kung fu
• 19:29
  tyler: movie kind of obsessions it is just a very standard kind
• 19:33
  tyler: of crime grimy crime story right with just the mob and cops and robbers and
• 19:38
  tyler: you know and shootouts but then you add that kind of um almost whimsical hans
• 19:43
  tyler: zimmer score and kind of that like fantasy element to it and it it that's kind
• 19:47
  tyler: of what i was saying at the beginning is like that's what kind of pushes it beyond just
• 19:50
  tyler: a generic kind of action movie is there's a certain like whimsy to it almost because they,
• 19:55
  tyler: christian slater and patricia arquette are like very um like ambivalent toward
• 19:59
  tyler: where they go next they're very just go with the flow and they're just along
• 20:01
  tyler: for the ride and they're just like in love and sociopaths and just having a
• 20:05
  tyler: good time on the you know on this on this road of whatever yeah.
• 20:09
  Evan: And it's almost as you were saying before how sort of uh natural born killers
• 20:13
  Evan: is sort of of like this uh twin kind of uh coming out of the same thing those
• 20:18
  Evan: are like the complete opposite characters like they don't have that the fantasy
• 20:21
  Evan: is removed and they're just psychopaths so it's kind of like uh.
• 20:25
  tyler: They're just like hardcore killers yeah yeah yeah.
• 20:27
  Evan: It's interesting how those two movies kind of have this complete similarities
• 20:31
  Evan: but then they're just complete opposites as far as the uh i haven't seen in a while so i don't.
• 20:35
  tyler: Yeah i guess i should i shouldn't speak too much about natural import killers
• 20:38
  tyler: because i also haven't seen that movie in 20 years so i probably I probably
• 20:41
  tyler: shouldn't speak too much on it. Yeah.
• 20:42
  tyler: I just remember not really liking it. So have you seen natural burn killers? Yeah.
• 20:46
  Evan: No.
• 20:46
  tyler: Okay. So Woody Harrelson and.
• 20:50
  Kennan: What year was it.
• 20:51
  tyler: Forget who his partner was um 90 yeah early mid 90s maybe late 90s yeah 96 okay
• 20:57
  tyler: yeah yeah that's the problem is like.
• 20:59
  Kennan: I came here in 98 well with ford and parents.
• 21:02
  tyler: Juliette lewis was that the female lead in that one i don't remember yeah okay
• 21:05
  tyler: robert downey jr yeah yeah okay all right maybe i'll give that another it was
• 21:10
  tyler: 94 okay maybe i'll give that one another shot that's what we're talking about
• 21:12
  tyler: now but i'll give it i'll give it another shot yeah.
• 21:14
  Evan: It's one of those ones where i also don't remember loving it but i think i may
• 21:19
  Evan: have only seen it one time and just.
• 21:21
  tyler: Yeah i.
• 21:21
  Evan: Don't know i also think of movies that i saw when i was probably not ready to
• 21:24
  Evan: watch them and then i watched them 20 years later i'm like oh shit.
• 21:27
  tyler: Yeah that's probably true for me too it actually is a good movie i saw it in
• 21:29
  tyler: the early to mid 2000s when i was in my like mid-teens so i probably just didn't
• 21:33
  tyler: really appreciate it maybe maybe revisiting it now i might have a different
• 21:37
  tyler: kind of lens to see it through i'll i'll give it a shot if i have time that's
• 21:41
  tyler: also i remember being a really long movie too i think that's like a three and
• 21:44
  tyler: a half or something i don't i don't recall but oh.
• 21:46
  Evan: Man oliver stone always.
• 21:48
  tyler: Makes yeah movies which is why i still yeah he still i think i think his movies
• 21:53
  tyler: are a little bloated but that's that's just my own personal they're.
• 21:55
  Evan: Often i i've only done i think i've done a couple of his war movies and they
• 22:00
  Evan: have good aspects to them but then i also think there's a lot of problems with
• 22:05
  Evan: them sort of the politics too but we don't have to go down the oliver.
• 22:09
  tyler: We're talking about true True romance here, goddammit.
• 22:11
  Evan: Yes, yes. And then the thing also, I mean, part of this is, but this is part
• 22:16
  Evan: of sort of like the side part of that question of the reality versus fantasy,
• 22:20
  Evan: is that Slater really, Christian Slater's character really is trying to sort
• 22:24
  Evan: of hide, it almost seems like maybe run away from his life in Detroit,
• 22:29
  Evan: and he's kind of given this,
• 22:31
  Evan: out i guess you could say he meets someone he realizes it wasn't actually you
• 22:36
  Evan: know meant to be it was sort of his his uh boss had paid for the call girl to
• 22:42
  Evan: come and you know go out with him,
• 22:44
  Evan: and clearly he had like nothing really going for him and he's like well you
• 22:47
  Evan: know this person then all of a sudden professes they love me you know fuck it
• 22:51
  Evan: i'm just gonna i'm just gonna go with it it's it's almost like that is ultimate
• 22:55
  Evan: fantasy of just you know this beautiful woman comes in and And then the next
• 23:01
  Evan: morning or that night, she says she loves it. So it's next morning.
• 23:04
  Kennan: Kill somebody.
• 23:05
  Evan: It's crazy.
• 23:05
  tyler: Yeah. The next morning or then I. Yeah. Well, it's unclear.
• 23:08
  tyler: Well, because they get married. So, like, it's unclear how many days have passed.
• 23:11
  tyler: But yeah, he kills Drexel within, I don't know, presumably a few days of meeting her.
• 23:15
  tyler: So, like, yeah, the whole thing gets a whole tattoo on him. Yeah.
• 23:20
  tyler: Then we get matching tattoos. Yeah.
• 23:21
  Kennan: She fucked me up. It's like the scene pops up and it's just like a tattoo of
• 23:25
  Kennan: his name. But didn't you two just meet? Like, you guys really are for each other.
• 23:28
  tyler: Yeah.
• 23:28
  Evan: Yeah, that seems like one of those, you know, really bad decisions that normally
• 23:32
  Evan: or normally would be a really bad decision.
• 23:34
  Evan: But somehow in this in this dream fantasy, you know, they're they're meant to
• 23:39
  Evan: each other, meant for each other or something. I don't know.
• 23:42
  tyler: Yeah, I think that's kind of like going back to your question.
• 23:44
  tyler: I think that I don't know.
• 23:46
  tyler: I think that kind of is the ultimate and not the ultimate fantasy.
• 23:49
  tyler: But that is like that's the fantasy, right?
• 23:51
  tyler: You fall in love with a stripper. You fall like the bartender,
• 23:53
  tyler: the stripper, the the prostitute, whatever.
• 23:55
  tyler: They fall in love with you and you, you know, that's you run away together. other i
• 23:58
  tyler: think that's got pretty cliche kind of fantasy for most men i
• 24:01
  tyler: think like in a lot of senses i think it wouldn't work again
• 24:03
  tyler: going back to i think the chemistry between uh slater and is just so like strong
• 24:08
  tyler: and so believable that and also that element of they're both kind of playing
• 24:12
  tyler: into it like the the acting choices they make of where they are kind of both
• 24:16
  tyler: just slightly unhinged but they're not they're not full-blown crazy but they're
• 24:18
  tyler: both just a little like unhinged that it just like,
• 24:22
  tyler: it somehow it's believable and i think again i think all things kind of just
• 24:26
  tyler: came converged to just make like a believable narrative between the two of them
• 24:30
  tyler: i don't think that would have worked if you casted anybody else i think drew
• 24:32
  tyler: barrymore was originally kind of like the lead for this i.
• 24:35
  Evan: Saw that thank god.
• 24:36
  tyler: Yeah and it's like it wouldn't work dude there's something about just them two
• 24:39
  tyler: in particular and i just while we're on the subject i just want to shout out
• 24:42
  tyler: christian slater because like man that dude crushed the 90s and i think he's
• 24:45
  tyler: just like criminally underrated as like this cool 90s actor like i just recently
• 24:50
  tyler: watched pop pump up the volume as well which was
• 24:52
  tyler: so good and like i don't know he just did a lot of stuff in the 90s that he
• 24:55
  tyler: doesn't get credit for he.
• 24:56
  Evan: Did he was um uh i remember that movie very bad things i don't remember being
• 25:00
  Evan: like a really good movie but i remember him being really good in it he was.
• 25:03
  tyler: Also in broken arrow was pretty fun i don't
• 25:05
  tyler: remember that movie being all that great i think i had probably more i think
• 25:08
  tyler: john travolta was really him ended up in that movie but but i think christian
• 25:11
  tyler: slater just comes he's always just comes off so cool and i'm just like yeah
• 25:14
  tyler: i fucking love christian slater i just wish he did more but i don't think i
• 25:17
  tyler: mean and then mr robot you know more recently he was great in mr a robot um
• 25:21
  tyler: that's true yeah but anyway just shout out christian slater crushing it maybe.
• 25:26
  Evan: Maybe maybe less of a shout out for doing that movie about pop tarts on frosted.
• 25:30
  tyler: Oh see and that was the new jerry seinfeld movie or jerry seinfeld i didn't
• 25:34
  tyler: see it i didn't know christian slater oh that's a bummer okay well i take back
• 25:37
  tyler: everything i said fuck christian slater no i'm kidding i mean maybe he.
• 25:40
  Evan: Maybe he's fine and i don't know i think he's he's actually has a new movie
• 25:43
  Evan: coming out that's It's directed by Zoe Kravitz, some kind of drama thriller.
• 25:48
  Evan: I don't know who else is in it.
• 25:50
  tyler: Okay.
• 25:50
  Evan: But I just.
• 25:50
  tyler: I'm curious.
• 25:51
  Evan: Briefly. So I don't know. I mean, maybe he's, he could still hook out. He's not that old.
• 25:55
  tyler: He can.
• 25:55
  Evan: He's only 54. Man, that's crazy.
• 25:58
  tyler: Yeah. He was like younger than my dad. I think during True Romance,
• 26:01
  tyler: he was probably like in his mid, late 20s. I mean, that was.
• 26:03
  tyler: And I think Pump Up the Volume was even earlier than that. He played a high
• 26:06
  tyler: school kid. Maybe he was just kind of just out of high school in Pump Up the Volume.
• 26:09
  Evan: Yeah. He was 25 in True Romance. That's kind of crazy.
• 26:12
  tyler: Yeah.
• 26:13
  Evan: Yeah it kind of lends to the believability of it in some ways and i know we
• 26:16
  Evan: already talked about the dude the elvis being this ridiculous thing and i also
• 26:20
  Evan: had forgotten that it was played by val kilmer it doesn't really sound like
• 26:24
  Evan: yeah you can't really tell and never show his face but.
• 26:26
  tyler: Yeah it's just and i guess that was another thing not to keep interjecting with random trivia.
• 26:30
  Evan: They were afraid.
• 26:31
  tyler: To like tell val kilmer that like hey your face is never
• 26:34
  tyler: going to be shown because it's kind of a big deal for an actor right to just
• 26:36
  tyler: be told like hey you're not actually going to be shown in this movie but val
• 26:39
  tyler: kilmer apparently was like all for it he like was like on board with the idea
• 26:41
  tyler: and like the way that character worked within that script he's like no that
• 26:45
  tyler: that makes sense and i'm not gonna be like a diva about it like that's fine
• 26:48
  tyler: so i was like dude shout out to val kilmer for just being a bro and just not
• 26:51
  tyler: showing his face an entire movie.
• 26:52
  Evan: Yeah oh man talk about a guy who you know fall from grace mostly you know due
• 26:58
  Evan: to health issues but man he was he also had a rock star 90s and kind of early
• 27:03
  Evan: 2000s i love val yeah it was like kiss kiss bang bang was the last like.
• 27:07
  tyler: Great thing i saw him in i think that was like the mid 2000s i'd have to look
• 27:11
  tyler: at his i'd have to look at his film.
• 27:12
  Evan: Yeah he had he had he got cancer like throat cancer
• 27:15
  Evan: and like couldn't use his voice anymore oh bummer which is
• 27:17
  Evan: what ended up happened to him yeah there's like a documentary i think
• 27:20
  Evan: you can watch i don't know that it's super sad yeah because yeah
• 27:23
  Evan: yeah they don't they don't like it's not publicized like they never really talk
• 27:27
  Evan: about until the documentary came out okay but it's a shame i always love val
• 27:30
  Evan: kilmer yeah but yeah i think though so one of this is also one little notes
• 27:33
  Evan: that i had seen so in the in There's some point later when Christian Slater
• 27:38
  Evan: refers to Elvis' movie Jailhouse Rock.
• 27:40
  Evan: And it's one of those things where I think he kept using the kind of the moniker
• 27:44
  Evan: of like living fast but doesn't die or whatever.
• 27:47
  Evan: Or living fast, dying young. Now I can't remember.
• 27:51
  tyler: Yeah, he said living fast, dying young and leaving a good looking corpse.
• 27:53
  Evan: Yes, that's it. But it's funny is that in...
• 27:56
  Evan: the movie jailhouse rock elvis does not die and it's just kind of this funny
• 28:00
  Evan: i don't know if that was intentional in any way but just because elvis died
• 28:04
  Evan: in like the worst way possible like a lot you know on the bathroom toilet you
• 28:07
  Evan: know falls over and so maybe there's some kind of like him.
• 28:11
  tyler: Having a hard time facing that reality and like it would be better to have kind
• 28:14
  tyler: of died in you know this kind of more epic way than yeah i see what you're saying
• 28:17
  tyler: kind of than the way he did go out.
• 28:19
  Evan: Yeah i mean at any moment where if christian slater had actually died it would
• 28:22
  Evan: have been kind of like a rock star way to go out probably yeah.
• 28:25
  tyler: That's a good point actually another another layer to that movie's got layers.
• 28:28
  Evan: Yeah this is one of those things where i i don't know i was trying to i don't
• 28:32
  Evan: have the blu-ray or dvd or anything i'm sure that they might talk about some
• 28:35
  Evan: of these things and some of the like commentary i couldn't find a ton actually
• 28:38
  Evan: of tony scott talking about the yeah there's a 2002 edition of.
• 28:42
  tyler: The like dvd that has some commentary on it i didn't i don't have that version.
• 28:46
  Evan: Um i.
• 28:47
  tyler: Have it digitally but um that's where like i was reading some trivia kind of
• 28:50
  tyler: in in preparation for this i think that's where a lot of the uh it's according
• 28:52
  tyler: to the 2002 commentary was like a lot of the kind of imprint the parentheticals in those.
• 28:56
  Evan: So i think it was patricia arquette yeah and.
• 28:58
  tyler: I don't know who else it was patricia arquette and somebody else was on that
• 29:01
  tyler: um on that dvd commentary.
• 29:02
  Evan: Oh it'd be cool if it was like you know um walk-in or i don't know some of those
• 29:07
  Evan: other ones i think he was really he was a huge fan of the movie i saw like something
• 29:11
  Evan: about that he loved his little his parts in the movie everyone had their part yeah.
• 29:15
  tyler: And i was like watching this where the really critical lens of like each of
• 29:19
  tyler: those kind of vignettes of like, you know, a new player enters the scene and
• 29:22
  tyler: then they exit never to be really seen again. And that's kind of, um,
• 29:25
  tyler: it's not unusual for Tarantino to kind of have a story like
• 29:28
  tyler: set up like that but just like as you know
• 29:31
  tyler: Dennis Hopper come on as Val Kilmer come on as Samuel Jackson Gary Oldman
• 29:34
  tyler: all of these different kind of bit characters in this come on they
• 29:37
  tyler: all crush it and like just everybody really gives it their all that scene between
• 29:40
  tyler: Walken and Hopper is just so good uh like just Gary Oldman in general just crushes
• 29:45
  tyler: this movie James Gandolfini like I was I re-watched that scene I like rewound
• 29:49
  tyler: it a couple times because I just wanted to hear his monologue again and dude
• 29:51
  tyler: like man shout out to that scene that was so good yeah that was great um stick.
• 29:56
  Kennan: It in me one time he.
• 29:58
  Evan: Was really good in it and like there's actually the scene in the trailer when
• 30:02
  Evan: um it's having the conversation between dennis hopper and christopher walken
• 30:05
  Evan: you see uh gandalfini kind of standing in the back with this.
• 30:08
  tyler: Like evil little smirk yeah i caught that i was chasing like man knowing what
• 30:12
  tyler: was gonna happen later i was kind of watching him more intently in that scene yeah yeah it's.
• 30:17
  Kennan: Hard not to notice him you know with like toes from the sopranos like.
• 30:20
  tyler: Oh sure yeah you're.
• 30:21
  Kennan: Like god damn it is that that he's like the side character i'm like who's the main character.
• 30:25
  tyler: So that's the thing it's funny enough actually james gandolfini
• 30:28
  tyler: has another part in a completely unrelated movie
• 30:31
  tyler: very similar to that where he's a hitman that goes and kind of
• 30:34
  tyler: has this like really like heartfelt monologue with the person i think
• 30:36
  tyler: he's supposed to kill who's uh it's the mexican with brad pitt and julia roberts
• 30:40
  tyler: and james gandolfini is like a hitman who goes and he like he ends up like uh
• 30:43
  tyler: discovering that he's gay and he comes out of the closet like and like him and
• 30:46
  tyler: julia roberts have this like heart to heart i don't remember the details but
• 30:49
  tyler: i was just like I always remember the parallels between the two scenes of James
• 30:52
  tyler: Gandolfini going to kill somebody in a hotel room and ended up...
• 30:56
  tyler: having this kind of one-on-one conversation.
• 30:58
  Evan: He's been in a bunch of tony scott movies too i think that both he and dennis
• 31:02
  Evan: hopper are in not dennis hopper um uh gene hackman is in enemy i guess i guess
• 31:08
  Evan: they're not the same gandalf in crimson tide yeah which is also which is not
• 31:12
  Evan: a the best movie like hunt for red october is the better the better sub movie yeah.
• 31:16
  tyler: Yeah i remember liking crimson tide that was the denzel washington one about
• 31:18
  tyler: like um gene hackman kind of went off the rails and wanted to pull the trigger
• 31:22
  tyler: on the nuke i think if i remember correctly.
• 31:23
  Evan: Yeah yeah and then He did Enemy.
• 31:25
  tyler: Of the State, too, which also Gene Hackman. I don't think Gandolfini was in that.
• 31:28
  tyler: But there's a lot of parallels between Enemy of the State, at least the final
• 31:31
  tyler: scene, because it's a very similar thing where the police, the mob,
• 31:34
  tyler: and kind of I think a third group all converge at this restaurant because they've
• 31:38
  tyler: all been set up to go there to collect this item, whatever the MacGuffin was.
• 31:42
  tyler: And it's like this three-way, everybody pointing guns at each other, and everybody opens up.
• 31:46
  tyler: And it's Will Smith, I think, is under the table, and he crawls away.
• 31:49
  tyler: way and so it's that that shootout scene from true romance is like mirrored
• 31:53
  tyler: in an enemy of the state another tony scott movie it's like a very similar kind of climax i was just i.
• 31:59
  Evan: Don't i haven't seen that one in a long.
• 32:00
  tyler: Time enemy of the state that one was bizarre because i like jamie kennedy and
• 32:03
  tyler: seth green and i think jack black are all like tech guys in the van and it's
• 32:06
  tyler: just like that's also a very bizarre cast yeah and.
• 32:11
  Evan: There's also the thing that um i think that there's some parallel to this is
• 32:14
  Evan: like going deep into the weeds but i think jim hackman was also in the movie
• 32:18
  Evan: the a conversation from the 70s where he's also like the same character almost
• 32:22
  Evan: it's almost like a spiritual successor.
• 32:25
  tyler: Kind of sequel-ish.
• 32:26
  Evan: Kind of thing.
• 32:27
  tyler: I think even um the theme song to
• 32:30
  tyler: the conversation had a very similar uh like
• 32:33
  tyler: um xylophonic kind of um whimsical thing
• 32:36
  tyler: i think i think tarantino and zimmer i don't think that's a coincidence i think
• 32:39
  tyler: tarantino and zimmer kind of got together and and or tony scott and kind of
• 32:43
  tyler: that wasn't a coincidence i don't think that was just that's my half remember
• 32:47
  tyler: trivia from reading it today so i think the conversation came up in in my reading
• 32:50
  tyler: so i don't think that was uh unintentional yeah.
• 32:53
  Evan: Anyone anyone out there hasn't seen that movie and likes you know a really good
• 32:56
  Evan: uh kind of thriller i would uh definitely recommend that one for.
• 33:00
  tyler: I actually haven't seen it i was i kind of it's on my radar now because of the
• 33:03
  tyler: reading for today i'm like okay i'll have to come back oh.
• 33:05
  Evan: And i just saw it recently so that's why i mean it was one of those ones like
• 33:09
  Evan: oh i never saw it when i was younger and someone's like oh you should really
• 33:12
  Evan: see the conversation i think i was watching uh the parallax view which is you
• 33:16
  Evan: know part of the um the uh blanking on it's like trilogy of three films that
• 33:21
  Evan: are very kind of the paranoia trilogy anyway.
• 33:24
  tyler: But that's.
• 33:25
  Evan: That we're going we can.
• 33:26
  tyler: We keep going off that's the problem talking about movies is you just want to talk about movies i.
• 33:30
  Kennan: Will have a question for you guys also if you had to replace one actor in that movie.
• 33:36
  tyler: Easy,
• 33:37
  tyler: that's what i wrote two notes down and i uh one is an answer to this question yeah.
• 33:42
  Kennan: Who would you replace.
• 33:43
  tyler: Michael rapaport i.
• 33:44
  Kennan: Was thinking the same.
• 33:45
  tyler: Exact thing and that's because of his politics now yep i just thought he was
• 33:49
  tyler: garbage yeah he's a hokey actor in everything he's in i will say this was probably
• 33:53
  tyler: re-watching it and i was being very critical because i despise michael rapaport
• 33:56
  tyler: but i was watching him very critically and he didn't not deliver he he plays a very like shitty
• 34:02
  tyler: actor and he did shitty acting and yeah he plays this kind of like derpy yeah
• 34:06
  tyler: it's almost perfect right and it kind of worked for what he was doing there's
• 34:10
  tyler: a couple moments where he's like
• 34:11
  tyler: i don't know in like in the car scene i think and then uh when they're sitting
• 34:14
  tyler: down right when they meet um lee donowitz and like i don't know there's just
• 34:18
  tyler: a couple moments where i was like okay he he,
• 34:21
  tyler: delivered those lines but i just for political sake i would say get rid of michael
• 34:24
  tyler: albauer and that character you can kind of i think that one's swappable he didn't
• 34:28
  tyler: deliver anything that was like super spectacular that somebody else couldn't
• 34:33
  tyler: uh from the mid-90s you know should.
• 34:35
  Kennan: Just swap the brad pitt and him.
• 34:36
  Evan: Yeah i would have said that i would have said the exact same thing michael rapaport
• 34:40
  Evan: but again for the exact same reasons of his you know what we know about him
• 34:44
  Evan: now no one else in the movie really has a bad performance i mean some of the
• 34:49
  Evan: characters that are like you know the other sicilians in there i think like the guy who plays luca.
• 34:54
  tyler: Little wooden that guy's.
• 34:55
  Evan: He's great you know paul van victor he's you know really i wouldn't replace
• 34:59
  Evan: any of those guys like they all had just the right moment.
• 35:02
  tyler: I think the two uh the two henchmen um donna was his henchman they have a few
• 35:05
  tyler: lines more than kind of um they should i think and they they didn't quite deliver
• 35:10
  tyler: but that's getting real nitpicky of like um because donna was so funny when he's like you,
• 35:15
  tyler: uh he kept trying to tell him that he had a the clarence had a gun on him
• 35:18
  tyler: you know donald was kept interrupting him we were like like don't be
• 35:21
  tyler: rude or whatever and that was i just it was a funny scene but i think the those
• 35:24
  tyler: two kind of uh bodyguards they didn't quite deliver but that's again that's
• 35:28
  tyler: like being real what you don't know about me i hate cops right oh yeah that
• 35:33
  tyler: line that line was a little like yeah it's.
• 35:38
  Evan: Funny in my letterbox review that was literally like my whole review just that one that quote.
• 35:42
  tyler: That's that's good but.
• 35:44
  Evan: And it's actually cool i think um lee donowitz also is in tarantino's movie
• 35:49
  Evan: once upon a time in hollywood i don't think he is in it.
• 35:53
  tyler: But he might just be referenced yeah i mean that's it's
• 35:56
  tyler: like the same universe his son um donnie donowitz from inglorious
• 35:59
  tyler: bastards eli roth's character the bear jew yes that's donnie
• 36:02
  tyler: donowitz lee donowitz is his son so this is on the this movie
• 36:05
  tyler: i think qualifies uh if you're familiar with like the diverging
• 36:08
  tyler: timeline theory of tarantino movies how there's two sets of there's a
• 36:11
  tyler: fiction and a non-fiction universe within tarantino's oeuvre and this is the
• 36:15
  tyler: non-fiction side of that i believe so like that makes yeah so like this is a
• 36:19
  tyler: real movie within tarantino's universe because this is the diverging timeline
• 36:24
  tyler: of world war ii where the allies murdered hitler so brutally so this is a hyper
• 36:27
  tyler: violent world so that's the i think that's the theory speaking.
• 36:30
  Kennan: Of hitler and jews i don't know if you guys notice like the little things i'm
• 36:35
  Kennan: sure you have because you've watched the movie a million times.
• 36:37
  tyler: Talking about rommel his dog no no jesus no.
• 36:40
  Kennan: I'm talking about in the car scene as they're going to drive to the what was that the hotel.
• 36:44
  tyler: Sure to.
• 36:45
  Kennan: Drop off the drugs for money uh you can see them talking to each other and there's
• 36:50
  Kennan: just the star of david like in a black like container like small black container
• 36:54
  Kennan: i don't even like a plastic slip uh hanging there.
• 36:56
  tyler: And i'm like.
• 36:57
  Kennan: Was that was there any like you know.
• 36:59
  tyler: In the purple car and signalism to.
• 37:01
  Kennan: That or symbolism.
• 37:02
  tyler: It was in there in the purple car in the cadillac but that's
• 37:05
  tyler: clear that's clarence's car tony scott gave that car
• 37:08
  tyler: to patricia orcat after filming because her car was like not running so a
• 37:11
  tyler: little more trivia for her that's patricia orcat's actual i wonder why that was
• 37:13
  tyler: i don't know i didn't notice that either well i do notice there was like a bunch
• 37:17
  tyler: of because like dennis hopper's dog is called rommel who was like the very famous
• 37:21
  tyler: is nazi general so like i wonder if there's just little like competing sides
• 37:25
  tyler: to this of like nazi's shit and then like jewish shit that's just kind of sprinkled
• 37:29
  tyler: throughout i'd have to like really like re-watch it with a super like microscopic lens the.
• 37:33
  Kennan: Only reason i even noticed someone must have written an article about that oh yeah.
• 37:35
  tyler: Because like i was just wondering like i was really thinking about that today
• 37:38
  tyler: like why is his dog's name rommel like it's just so so bizarre the only reason i even like.
• 37:44
  Kennan: Noticed it is because like i'm sitting there like looking at michael rapaport's
• 37:47
  Kennan: face and i'm like you fucking fucker and i'm thinking about you know his support
• 37:51
  Kennan: for israel and then i see star.
• 37:53
  tyler: David just looking back.
• 37:54
  Kennan: And forth i'm like what's going on here.
• 37:55
  tyler: I have no idea what kind of symbolism.
• 37:57
  Kennan: What is this supposed to mean like.
• 37:59
  tyler: It doesn't have to be there why do you have to put us i don't know you know
• 38:02
  tyler: yeah most a lot of movies don't even show crosses or.
• 38:04
  Kennan: Anything like that this guy's like let's just throw that in there.
• 38:07
  tyler: Well because like i don't i mean maybe.
• 38:08
  Kennan: If it's their own personal car maybe they just forgot to take it off maybe we're.
• 38:12
  tyler: Yeah i don't know whose car it was um it was somebody's car because i think
• 38:15
  tyler: it was tony scott's car because he gave it to patrick or at least you know the
• 38:18
  tyler: production purchased it i don't i'm not sure if it was actually somebody's personal
• 38:21
  tyler: car ahead of time but yeah i don't know interesting good catch i didn't catch
• 38:25
  tyler: that i don't i don't know i don't know why that would be there i.
• 38:27
  Evan: Didn't either i was i was you know i just briefly looked like to see if there's
• 38:31
  Evan: anything about it but maybe it also has to do with the dennis hopper and christian
• 38:34
  Evan: slater are kind of like you know estranged i guess you could say they've you
• 38:38
  Evan: know don't have a very good relationship they don't see each other and that
• 38:41
  Evan: would make sense maybe he's like well well,
• 38:42
  Evan: my dad's a Nazi lover and, you know, I'm, you know, not.
• 38:47
  tyler: Just like a way of kind of like rebelling, a way to act out.
• 38:50
  Kennan: I missed that. Was his dad supposed to be a Nazi lover?
• 38:53
  tyler: I don't know. I mean, his name is Rommel and he's an ex-cop.
• 38:57
  tyler: I mean, what more evidence do you need, man?
• 38:58
  Kennan: Okay, you've sold me.
• 39:00
  tyler: I don't know. I don't know. I mean, he's like pretty vehemently racist.
• 39:03
  tyler: His dog's name is Rommel. I mean, that's not a lot of evidence.
• 39:06
  Kennan: I mean, yeah, he was literally calling the Sicilians the N-word because the
• 39:09
  Kennan: Moors happened to be in Sicily.
• 39:10
  tyler: Yeah so like but that was to get under.
• 39:12
  Kennan: Their skin i don't know.
• 39:13
  tyler: If that was like meant.
• 39:13
  Kennan: To be like purely just out of racism.
• 39:15
  tyler: Yeah i don't know probably a little probably a little bit of both yeah we know
• 39:18
  tyler: that he was like a pretty heavy alcoholic we don't know a ton about their history
• 39:21
  tyler: but we do know that they are estranged because of like um you know his alcoholism
• 39:25
  tyler: and kind of after either the mom died or left i don't know if it's clear made and we know that um,
• 39:31
  tyler: creatures later didn't have like a great upbringing there's that scene where they're
• 39:33
  tyler: at the airport after the gandolfini scene where he's talking about he always
• 39:36
  tyler: hated airports because it you know like growing up poor in detroit he lived
• 39:40
  tyler: near an airport and like people just getting away and being able to kind of
• 39:43
  tyler: travel it was something he like watched his whole growing up and was never able
• 39:46
  tyler: to like take part in that so he kind of grew resentful of that so we know that
• 39:49
  tyler: he's you know poor but that's the extent of it i guess well.
• 39:52
  Evan: I guess that that i mean we haven't i briefly kind
• 39:55
  Evan: of mentioned like the dialectical kind of reality versus fantasy
• 39:59
  Evan: but i mean i don't think we're at
• 40:01
  Evan: minute i don't know what minute of the podcast and i haven't no
• 40:04
  Evan: one has used the word capitalism which is more i'm just kind
• 40:07
  Evan: of joking but when i think about like the like the cruel
• 40:10
  Evan: realities of you know all these different sort of
• 40:13
  Evan: crime syndicates you have the you know the call you know you have drexel and
• 40:17
  Evan: you have the sicilians and you have all these different things you also have
• 40:20
  Evan: you know the hollywood isn't necessarily crime ridden but it's definitely you
• 40:24
  Evan: know all these things to actually make it in hollywood i'm wondering if you
• 40:29
  Evan: like how you you would see sort of,
• 40:30
  Evan: or if you would see any kind of, I don't really know how to ask this in like a question form,
• 40:35
  Evan: but sort of, you know, how do you think that sort of like the capitalist sort
• 40:38
  Evan: of system and structure leads some of the, I guess, characters to make the choices they do?
• 40:44
  Evan: You know, a lot of times you'd say you're a criminal because you kind of probably
• 40:48
  Evan: got in trouble when you're younger, you went to prison, you could never shake
• 40:51
  Evan: that, no one would hire you, so you have to go to do something that,
• 40:55
  Evan: you know to pay the bills literally and so you might lead to uh to life of crime
• 41:00
  Evan: but it does kind of seem like drexel enjoys his uh his uh violence just shooting people for fun yeah.
• 41:07
  tyler: Certainly did you have something.
• 41:09
  Kennan: Yeah i was gonna say the entire movie is based upon like the disparity of capitalism
• 41:14
  Kennan: because if you really think about it they're willing to take a risk uh with
• 41:18
  Kennan: for to sell you know this coke for 200 grand to live for maybe 10 years traveling
• 41:23
  Kennan: because Because they're always living off a minimum wage.
• 41:26
  Kennan: I mean, if you remember in the scene where he takes her to his workplace where
• 41:30
  Kennan: he's selling comics and stuff, he's like, she's like, how's your pay?
• 41:33
  Kennan: And he's like, well, it's not great, but you know, the people love me and blah, blah, blah.
• 41:37
  Kennan: And she's a call girl, which is like two ends of like people are doing things
• 41:42
  Kennan: they have to do just to survive.
• 41:44
  Kennan: And then they're given this chance to, you know, have enough money for the next
• 41:48
  Kennan: 10 years without worrying about it.
• 41:49
  Kennan: And they'll do anything for it. and then hereby there's
• 41:52
  Kennan: like some random fucking rich producer who's like ah
• 41:56
  Kennan: here's 200 grand for coke and it is like he's not even thinking twice about
• 41:59
  Kennan: it and it kind of shows you like the two sides of like uh hollywood and then
• 42:03
  Kennan: there's you know again they started out in detroit michigan where everything's
• 42:07
  Kennan: poor this rf with a scene where there's homeless people you know circled around
• 42:11
  Kennan: a metal barrel with a full of fire.
• 42:14
  tyler: Although the opening credits yeah a lot a lot of it.
• 42:16
  Kennan: Is varied you know towards like that class spectrum of like here's two different lifestyles.
• 42:23
  tyler: Yeah and i think like that even kind of pushes the whole like fantasy
• 42:26
  tyler: theme a little further too because like that's the dream right some you
• 42:28
  tyler: know something falls in your lap you're if you're a poor working class american and
• 42:32
  tyler: then you just get this opportunity something for like a suitcase full of drugs falls
• 42:35
  tyler: in your lap so that you can sell that kind of furthers that
• 42:37
  tyler: like you know the get rich quick like making it almost you know i mean not making
• 42:42
  tyler: it as in like becoming you know the a successful businessman but making it just
• 42:45
  tyler: in like a way out of poverty and kind of what i just just mentioned previously
• 42:49
  tyler: kind of alluding to like you know they both presumably grew up in poverty because
• 42:52
  tyler: she came from florida and he grew up in poverty in detroit so yeah i mean that that kind of,
• 42:57
  tyler: I would assume that's their kind of primary motivation for just like being so
• 43:01
  tyler: committed to this caper of selling this cocaine is just like to get out of that
• 43:06
  tyler: kind of cycle of poverty.
• 43:08
  Kennan: To get into that situation, they had to be slightly sociopathic to do the things that they did.
• 43:12
  Kennan: This guy, the only reason they ended up having the drugs is because this guy
• 43:16
  Kennan: was like, you know what? I'm going to go kill that guy.
• 43:17
  Kennan: Yeah, fuck him. And his friend. And that's the way.
• 43:20
  tyler: Well, to be fair, he didn't go there to kill him. He just went there to get
• 43:23
  tyler: a suitcase. And then things spiraled and he was getting his ass kicked and he pulled a gun on him.
• 43:26
  Kennan: No, no, no. He went there to kill him. because don't you remember like in the
• 43:28
  Kennan: beginning he's like uh like the elvis literally you know the elvis in.
• 43:32
  tyler: His head convinced him to go.
• 43:33
  Kennan: Kill him because even the cops wouldn't care about like him killing us.
• 43:37
  tyler: No but that happened after didn't it no oh that was before that was before yeah.
• 43:41
  Kennan: And so like i.
• 43:42
  Evan: Think he probably went there with the possibility.
• 43:44
  tyler: Of doing it because he brought it so he knew the possibility but i don't think
• 43:47
  tyler: he intentionally like went there with like the premeditation of like i am going
• 43:50
  tyler: there to kill drexel i think like but.
• 43:52
  Evan: He did bring the envelope, which I think is so funny. He like found an envelope
• 43:55
  Evan: that he used to make the little There's nothing in there.
• 43:58
  Evan: But no, I think you're completely right. I think that the, you know, and in some ways too,
• 44:05
  Evan: to succeed you know in you know to become
• 44:08
  Evan: like a the level of a capitalist you have to be
• 44:11
  Evan: like a psychopathic person to to do all
• 44:14
  Evan: those things so it's not really any different and the fact that
• 44:16
  Evan: they accidentally get the suitcase full of
• 44:19
  Evan: coke just because the people are just you know giving him his stuff real quick
• 44:23
  Evan: as he's you know after he's just killed uh drexel he you know that was just
• 44:28
  Evan: luck too right so there's it's the only way you can succeed is both luck and
• 44:33
  Evan: also to be a psychopath so he has both of those uh you know kind of handed to him well.
• 44:38
  Kennan: Even for that they also they have to work just to sell the drugs because to even.
• 44:43
  Evan: Get to that.
• 44:44
  Kennan: Point of being able to sell the drugs and make the money they're basically being
• 44:47
  Kennan: hunted down by the capitalists or by the.
• 44:50
  Evan: State that.
• 44:51
  Kennan: Had uh that is using the police to uh to arrest them to not be able to make
• 44:56
  Kennan: that money so either way they were kind of screwed on all corners and then you
• 45:00
  Kennan: know just and there's that fairytale dream that they survived at the end ran
• 45:04
  Kennan: away with the money and then had lived happily ever after.
• 45:06
  Evan: Yeah and also and i guess you could almost see the um
• 45:09
  Evan: like the italian mafia sicilians or whatever you want to call call them as sort
• 45:14
  Evan: of you know it's they they are kind of like the capitalists trying to well i
• 45:18
  Evan: guess they are in some sense in their own version of their what they do they're
• 45:23
  Evan: coming after them because you've you've stolen like Like if you steal from,
• 45:26
  Evan: the worker steals from their boss,
• 45:29
  Evan: they will come at you with, you know, the law, maybe not, you know,
• 45:33
  Evan: guns and James Gandolfini with dangerous smirks.
• 45:36
  Kennan: If I had to go out, man, if I had to go out, I'd love James Gandolfini to come kill me.
• 45:43
  tyler: Well, rest in peace to the legend, James Gandolfini.
• 45:47
  Evan: Oh, man. He just died a couple years ago.
• 45:49
  tyler: Right? Yeah.
• 45:50
  Kennan: I didn't even know he died.
• 45:51
  tyler: He died like two, three years ago. Something like that.
• 45:53
  Kennan: Damn, RIP, bro. go i just started getting into it i think.
• 45:56
  tyler: Maybe it was like last year it was pretty recently right yeah gandolfini yeah
• 46:00
  tyler: a lot of people just died tony scott killed himself um the director of tony scott gandolf.
• 46:05
  Evan: Yeah tony scott jumped off a bridge yeah.
• 46:07
  tyler: He did i guess supposedly he was diagnosed with cancer 2013.
• 46:10
  Kennan: He died in rome italy.
• 46:11
  tyler: Denis hopper no gandolfini that was 2013 while it felt like it was not that long ago that.
• 46:16
  Kennan: Was 11 years ago.
• 46:17
  tyler: Or a decade ago wow old uh because i remember that yeah because he had a couple
• 46:21
  tyler: movies that were in the can that's like he had a couple movies that continue
• 46:23
  tyler: to come out up until 2015 or something like his movies were continuing to come out,
• 46:28
  tyler: with him having long been dead scott.
• 46:30
  Kennan: Died in 2020 in 2012 sorry.
• 46:32
  tyler: 2012 yeah off.
• 46:33
  Kennan: The vincent thomas bridge.
• 46:34
  tyler: Yeah and then dennis hopper's dead i think that was cancer why do you why why did he.
• 46:38
  Kennan: Jump off i mean.
• 46:39
  tyler: Obviously you're sad he left a note but the family never
• 46:42
  tyler: disclosed it uh but he was i think recently diagnosed with cancer and they found
• 46:47
  tyler: some kind of um sleep aids and antidepressants in a system so i think it was
• 46:50
  tyler: just a combination of you know whatever mental health issues going through plus
• 46:54
  tyler: being diagnosed with cancer um i don't know you know his brother i don't know
• 46:58
  tyler: if you're familiar his brother ridley scott oh wait.
• 47:00
  Kennan: Uh is that the author.
• 47:01
  tyler: No he's a director he's like i mean he used to be ridley scott used to be great
• 47:05
  tyler: i think he's kind of falling off wait.
• 47:06
  Kennan: Is he napoleon is that the movie.
• 47:08
  tyler: Yeah yeah okay those are the more recent gladiator gladiator uh that's right
• 47:12
  tyler: alien i mean fucking alien um oh.
• 47:15
  Kennan: What's han simmer again dude han simmer is like crazy genius when it comes.
• 47:19
  tyler: To music.
• 47:20
  Kennan: And movies yeah.
• 47:22
  tyler: I love that theme and I think speaking of
• 47:25
  tyler: themes I kind of do like that that's the theme of Slater is
• 47:28
  tyler: just like being cool like you you alluded to it earlier of
• 47:31
  tyler: just like it's better to die young and leave a good-looking corpse and to
• 47:33
  tyler: kind of you know go out on the toilet or whatever and that's like there's a
• 47:37
  tyler: theme song is called you're so cool and Christmas later just all about being
• 47:41
  tyler: cool and then Patricia I can't writes on the napkin you're so cool and that's
• 47:44
  tyler: just like that's what kind of I don't know fuels Slater's kind of identity throughout
• 47:48
  tyler: this movie is just that idea of like you just have to be cool and he brings that
• 47:51
  tyler: confidence and that swagger to kind of his business dealings where it's like,
• 47:55
  tyler: there's a couple of scenes that I think this, again, gives credit to Slater's
• 47:58
  tyler: performance where like behind closed doors, his like hands are shaking,
• 48:01
  tyler: you know, and he's not this suave, swagger, confident guy,
• 48:05
  tyler: but he's doing that to kind of like, because Elvis wants him to or because,
• 48:08
  tyler: you know, he has this idea of what cool should be.
• 48:10
  tyler: And so he brings that. And I just, I think that there's a lot of kind of,
• 48:14
  tyler: again, understated performance from Christian Slater that he just kind of really
• 48:17
  tyler: brought to like, to that, to that character of just,
• 48:22
  tyler: really just like there's some subtleties and nuances which i'm a big fan of.
• 48:25
  Evan: Definitely and i think um what like i but this is maybe not like the we're not
• 48:30
  Evan: at the end necessarily but i'm curious um just because i was thinking about
• 48:34
  Evan: it what would you say is your favorite scene,
• 48:38
  Evan: scene you could well i'll go say scene of the of the movie.
• 48:41
  tyler: You want to go first no.
• 48:42
  Kennan: I'm trying to think.
• 48:43
  tyler: I have mine i think it's the gandolfini uh patricia ricat scene that's that
• 48:46
  tyler: speech that he gives about like your first kill and your second kill and then
• 48:49
  tyler: you know now i just kill just watch Watch their expressions change.
• 48:52
  tyler: I think Gandalf and he just delivered that just so earnestly.
• 48:54
  tyler: I just thought that was really cool. Really cool. Cool moment.
• 48:57
  tyler: I think that's probably, probably my favorite.
• 48:59
  Evan: I like that scene. I, I also, the, the moment when they first,
• 49:03
  Evan: I guess it's sort of at the very end when they first arrived to Lee Donowitz's
• 49:08
  Evan: hotel room, like before the actual shootout, just like the conversation between what's his name?
• 49:13
  Evan: Uh, the actor Saul Rubnick and Christian Slater and the whole thing is just,
• 49:17
  Evan: it just, he's just this, um, eccentric person.
• 49:20
  Evan: person you would this it's almost like the stereotypical rich director guy who
• 49:25
  Evan: just you know he keeps getting told how good his movie is and he's just this
• 49:28
  Evan: huge prick and he's i don't know.
• 49:30
  tyler: Yeah i love that i like that too and i also like that they address that like
• 49:33
  tyler: later in the bathroom he's like i'm not asking him and he's like no you're telling
• 49:36
  tyler: him what i what he wants to hear and that there's a difference there and like
• 49:39
  tyler: because christian slater's aware that he's like might be laying it on too thick
• 49:42
  tyler: so elvis has to kind of tell him that no it's okay so yeah i like that too and
• 49:46
  tyler: i like that even the movie was self-aware enough to kind of like reference that
• 49:49
  tyler: scene within its own movie i just thought that was cool do.
• 49:51
  Evan: You think that they were referencing like platoon or something like that.
• 49:54
  tyler: I think it was probably an like analogous to platoon or um uh not not deer hunter
• 49:59
  tyler: what's the other one apocalypse well they talk about apocalypse now and deer
• 50:02
  tyler: hunter i think um they do yeah.
• 50:04
  Evan: I think he says those are his so i guess it.
• 50:06
  tyler: Must be platoon yeah yeah or i don't know what's the other famous one hamburger
• 50:10
  tyler: hill i guess is the other kind of third vietnam movie full metal jacket that's
• 50:14
  tyler: fair i forgot about that one yeah i assume it's just maybe just like analogous
• 50:17
  tyler: to kind of any and all of those movies as a,
• 50:20
  tyler: genre just those kind of 70s 80s Vietnam movies,
• 50:24
  tyler: I guess Deer Hunter was probably late 60s, but yeah. Or no, Deer Hunter was
• 50:27
  tyler: late 70s. What am I thinking? Yeah.
• 50:28
  Evan: One of the other things that I like this, put this in my, maybe it was in one
• 50:32
  Evan: of the questions I should like I share with you is sort of the,
• 50:36
  Evan: where I think I mentioned at the beginning, sort of how one of the very first
• 50:39
  Evan: scenes, Christian Slater with our Patricia Arquette is in his comic book store
• 50:43
  Evan: and he pulls out, he's like, yo, do you want to see Spider-Man number one? And he shows a tour.
• 50:47
  Evan: And they also specifically mentioned again that the character in the comic is fighting a Nazi.
• 50:52
  Evan: so another like little call back to fighting nazis and
• 50:55
  Evan: he has this ring and he jumps in he's willing to do whatever it takes and it
• 50:58
  Evan: also seems like that is also kind of the story that he goes by and that he you
• 51:05
  Evan: know he's protecting this person through you know quote-unquote superpowers
• 51:08
  Evan: he's not a superhero just a random guy but he gets pumped up by a fake elvis
• 51:12
  Evan: in his head and somehow gives him.
• 51:14
  tyler: Superpowers so.
• 51:15
  Evan: It's all this.
• 51:16
  tyler: Okay but i think again that kind of once again pushes
• 51:19
  tyler: that fantasy element because later in the movie he does get shot in the head and he survives and
• 51:21
  tyler: like well yeah it's just kind of a glancing shot but i think that is meaning that's they're
• 51:25
  tyler: definitely i think they're aware of that of like it's just more of those fantasy
• 51:27
  tyler: elements of like where you know the main character gets shot in the head but
• 51:30
  tyler: survives and he is kind of this superhero um whether i mean like whether he
• 51:34
  tyler: is or not is irrelevant it's kind of like the character itself is just kind
• 51:38
  tyler: of has that they'll almost those attributes so yeah i think i totally agree,
• 51:43
  tyler: that that's probably intentional and you know there is parallels though there and.
• 51:48
  Evan: I also know I had never actually seen, so at the beginning they talk about the
• 51:51
  Evan: Kung Fu movies they go to see in the theater, Street Fighter.
• 51:54
  tyler: Yeah, the Sonny Chiba movies. I haven't either. I actually wasn't like super
• 51:59
  tyler: familiar with Sonny Chiba.
• 51:59
  tyler: I was doing some research and I didn't know that that was Satori Hanzo in the
• 52:02
  tyler: Kill Bill. That's Sonny Chiba.
• 52:03
  tyler: Like he's later in Quentin Tarantino movies, which I thought was like a fun full circle.
• 52:07
  tyler: Because I didn't even know Sonny Chiba was real. I thought that was maybe just
• 52:10
  tyler: like a Bruce Lee analogy kind of thing. And so I was doing some research and
• 52:13
  tyler: I was like, oh, Sonny Chiba was real.
• 52:15
  tyler: These are actual like Kung Fu movies from the you know, 70s and 80s.
• 52:18
  Evan: Well, the note that I wrote down is that he just he's like describing the plot
• 52:22
  Evan: of the movie to British Arquette in the theater.
• 52:24
  Evan: And it almost seems very similar to sort of like the plot of the movie to it
• 52:28
  Evan: just this guy who, you know, goes out and beats a bunch of people up to,
• 52:32
  Evan: you know, because he's told to well, maybe I'm maybe I'm stretching. Yeah, I don't know.
• 52:36
  tyler: I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't somewhat intentional.
• 52:38
  tyler: I mean, from what we know about Tarantino, he has this kind of like encyclopedic
• 52:42
  tyler: knowledge of all things like obscure movie.
• 52:44
  tyler: And so like, you know, he has been one to kind of intentionally place those
• 52:47
  tyler: parallels of like his characters talking about movies or his characters talking
• 52:51
  tyler: about pulp culture aspects that mirror the story of the movie.
• 52:55
  tyler: So I guess I don't know. I don't know enough about the movies to really say one or the other.
• 52:59
  Evan: No, but I think I've heard that too. He always throws in these little references
• 53:03
  Evan: that are, he's probably thinking like, hoo-hoo, no one will know this.
• 53:07
  Evan: And then, you know, I guess someone knows and then everyone knows because.
• 53:11
  tyler: Because it's on.
• 53:12
  Evan: I mean, maybe when it first came out.
• 53:14
  tyler: Some BuzzFeed article talks about it or something, yeah.
• 53:16
  Kennan: Did you notice the first article?
• 53:18
  Kennan: the first uh girl uh you talked to in the uh the slater talked to the very beginning
• 53:23
  Kennan: of the movie she was like full-on dressed up like marilyn monroe.
• 53:26
  tyler: Yeah i was i've always been unsure if herself was
• 53:30
  tyler: a prostitute or not and like i think that's why he when he invites
• 53:33
  tyler: her out because they do seem to be getting like you know hitting it off and then
• 53:35
  tyler: he invites her to a movie and she declines and i've always been curious whether or
• 53:38
  tyler: not because like why is this random you know some would say
• 53:41
  tyler: attractive woman hanging out in some skeezy bar with with you know sitting next
• 53:46
  tyler: to christian slater i i've always kind of like it's always been unclear to me
• 53:50
  tyler: whether or not she was a prostitute and i i assume she was and that's why she
• 53:53
  tyler: kind of declined she's like oh no this guy's kind of a loser because he just
• 53:56
  tyler: talks about comics fucking elvis and then going to going about fucking elvis like listen.
• 54:01
  Kennan: I would never fuck a man but if elvis was in this room right now god his pants would be down i was like.
• 54:07
  tyler: Is somebody.
• 54:08
  Kennan: Here gay like that.
• 54:09
  tyler: And unfortunately some like some pretty dated and offensive language throughout
• 54:12
  tyler: the movie but yeah especially like in regards to that scene but in the.
• 54:16
  Kennan: Movie theaters he's like oh the oriental and i'm sitting here i'm like.
• 54:19
  tyler: What yeah it's.
• 54:21
  Kennan: Like 92 93 i'm like they really say that yeah i don't know that's well.
• 54:26
  Evan: Tarantino's kind of known for those kind.
• 54:28
  tyler: Of uh kind of things yeah he.
• 54:30
  Evan: Loves to drop the n-word in like every one of his movies.
• 54:33
  Kennan: And the only guy that dropped the n-word in that entire movie uh was a white guy.
• 54:37
  tyler: Yeah the very big yeah i think samuel jackson may have dropped a couple but
• 54:41
  tyler: yeah Yeah, it was Drexel and Dennis Hopper. I think are the only two that said it.
• 54:45
  Kennan: Yeah, the absurdity of Drexel. I think that was my favorite scene to be honest.
• 54:49
  tyler: Fun fact, Gary Oldman agreed to that part just on a description of the character
• 54:52
  tyler: without having read the script.
• 54:54
  tyler: I think it was like Tony Scott just said, like described him as like,
• 54:56
  tyler: you play a crazy man who like is white, but thinks he's black.
• 54:59
  tyler: And Gary Oldman was like, sounds good. That's me. Gary Oldman just was like.
• 55:03
  Evan: Yeah, dude. Gary Oldman is like one of the best actors. I agree.
• 55:06
  tyler: I think he also has some questionable politics. I think he's like old school
• 55:09
  tyler: Churchillian kind of guy. um but like but as far as acting like say if we go
• 55:14
  tyler: if you want to separate the art from artists gary oldman's such a such a beast
• 55:17
  tyler: like when it comes to throwing down no.
• 55:19
  Evan: One plays like better bad guys.
• 55:21
  tyler: For the most part there was that string of the 90s this um fifth element leon
• 55:26
  tyler: where he's just like he's just this insane dracula dracula that's right like
• 55:30
  tyler: like every other year in the 90s he was just like this insane character that
• 55:34
  tyler: was just like wildly different and unrecognizable to the next one but.
• 55:37
  Evan: Did you already say the professional.
• 55:38
  tyler: Leon professional uh fifth element this and Dracula like we're all within like
• 55:43
  tyler: a year or two apart like back to back to back to back to back and just like
• 55:45
  tyler: it's just like Gary Oldman ate the 90s up.
• 55:48
  Evan: Yeah, and then they got to give him the Batman movies later to, I don't know.
• 55:52
  tyler: Yeah, to tone it down a little bit, I guess.
• 55:55
  Evan: He's like, it's almost hard to see him not all in a different kind of makeup or something.
• 56:00
  tyler: He played Churchill in Darkest Hour, and he was unrecognizable in that because he had the full fat suit.
• 56:06
  Evan: That's true. Yeah, he kills it. But so here's a, tell me if this theory is crazy.
• 56:11
  Evan: So the very opening scene where he's talking to the other woman and she rejects
• 56:15
  Evan: him. is it possible that that was also hired by the boss but she's like i'm
• 56:20
  Evan: not you're talking about elbows too much i'm not even going to do this.
• 56:22
  tyler: That never occurred to me and i i think i think i would agree with that and
• 56:25
  tyler: that's why shark cat's late to the theater maybe um because she got called in
• 56:28
  tyler: last minute or something oh yeah i mean that's yeah i had never occurred to
• 56:33
  tyler: me but i could totally buy that sure i'm going with that yeah let's say that yeah.
• 56:36
  Evan: I i had never considered that before until like.
• 56:39
  tyler: Yeah because maybe like maybe because that that was always that one always kind
• 56:43
  tyler: of stuck with me as a very odd choice of like why is this girl in that bar and
• 56:46
  tyler: so yeah that maybe makes sense that she was paid to be there and then she was
• 56:50
  tyler: just like nah and then that's why later on after he goes to theater patricia
• 56:52
  tyler: arquette walks in late and asks her to him to catch her up uh maybe because
• 56:55
  tyler: she was supposed to you know that what the plan was at the bar the.
• 56:58
  Kennan: First one i remember when he was talking to the first girl she's like you want
• 57:00
  Kennan: me to take me to watch a kung fu movie he's like yeah he's like three of them.
• 57:04
  tyler: She's like no yeah and it walks away and the first one's like i love kung fu movies yeah okay the.
• 57:09
  Kennan: Second one coming in just like oh my god these are like my favorite.
• 57:12
  tyler: And they were i think i feel like they were dressed fairly similarly they're
• 57:15
  tyler: right like leopard print and stuff so i think it was i don't know i think there's
• 57:18
  tyler: totally something yeah well.
• 57:19
  Evan: Well and it would also make sense too as to maybe why patricia arquette knew
• 57:23
  Evan: that he was at that specific movie theater watching the movies because she had
• 57:26
  Evan: told the he tells the other woman.
• 57:28
  tyler: Yeah the sunny chiba she calls the guys like i can't do this i'm.
• 57:31
  Evan: Not doing it you know take your money or whatever.
• 57:33
  tyler: Interjecting with another go go.
• 57:35
  Evan: To this movie theater where he is.
• 57:36
  tyler: Jack black filmed the scene he was the theater usher but the scene was cut no
• 57:40
  tyler: way yeah oh man just to continue adding stack because yeah jack black was like
• 57:45
  tyler: a bunch of cameos in the early 90s um before he kind of was doing a bunch.
• 57:48
  Evan: Of uh tony scott.
• 57:49
  tyler: Movies like.
• 57:49
  Evan: You said in enemy.
• 57:50
  tyler: Oh yeah later in this day yeah um but yeah so i guess apparently there's a scene
• 57:53
  tyler: that was cut um which i don't think it exists anymore um of jack black as a
• 57:58
  tyler: theater usher at that theater i.
• 58:00
  Kennan: Have one more yeah.
• 58:00
  Evan: Jack black did a bunch of weird movies i.
• 58:02
  Kennan: Have one more question for you guys i it kind of threw me off like there's some
• 58:06
  Kennan: parts in this movie that just kind of throw me off but uh you guys remember
• 58:09
  Kennan: after they leave uh his dad's house and right before they leave um was our cat.
• 58:18
  tyler: Patricia yeah.
• 58:18
  Kennan: Patricia charquette she goes up to his dad.
• 58:21
  tyler: And just making out with him i i i didn't know what to think of.
• 58:24
  Kennan: That i just i i was so confused.
• 58:26
  tyler: Yeah i don't what was that about is that like an american thing where like you like you kiss.
• 58:30
  Kennan: The dad's dad on the lips like i don't.
• 58:33
  tyler: Know i threw me off she's like not like peaches yeah that was a weird a weird
• 58:39
  tyler: bit to leave in i i don't know if maybe that should have been left on the cutting
• 58:42
  tyler: room floor i'm not sure but I don't know.
• 58:45
  Evan: It's not even necessary really, except for that line, like the peaches line.
• 58:48
  Evan: It's almost like that was the only way to get to that line.
• 58:50
  tyler: Tarantino just kind of wanted that line. So he had to kind of shoehorn in a,
• 58:53
  tyler: like a reason to get there in the end, you know?
• 58:55
  Kennan: The actor's like, I'm only doing this part if I make it. Yeah.
• 58:59
  tyler: Yeah. I don't, I don't really know. I think, you know, we'll just chalk that
• 59:02
  tyler: out to Tarantino still kind of honing his craft in the early nineties or late
• 59:05
  tyler: eighties whenever he actually wrote this script.
• 59:07
  Kennan: I thought there was just something there. I don't know. Yeah.
• 59:10
  Kennan: It's like, is this symbolic or something?
• 59:12
  Kennan: Cause she's like, i'm very monogamous and then he starts making out with the
• 59:15
  Kennan: dude's dad and i'm like dude if i saw my wife like making out with my dad i'd
• 59:18
  Kennan: be like we're over like what are you doing i'm sure there's something you.
• 59:21
  tyler: Can unpack there maybe i'm not sure.
• 59:23
  Kennan: Is that like oh maybe.
• 59:24
  Evan: Like his he has like sexual tensions.
• 59:26
  Kennan: Of some sort.
• 59:27
  tyler: I don't know i don't know man i got a weird guy coming up with nothing yeah
• 59:32
  tyler: yeah he's he does have some you know weird proclivities and.
• 59:37
  Evan: They i mean they really show also i was thinking of dennis hopper as like he
• 59:40
  Evan: they talk about how they grew up you know very
• 59:42
  Evan: poor you know even as a cop like you know you're not getting paid super well
• 59:45
  Evan: in detroit probably but you know that's okay but i guess presumably he probably
• 59:49
  Evan: drank and you know spent all their money but now he lives in a trailer next
• 59:52
  Evan: to a train track i mean that is uh yeah and he's like in detroit like that's
• 59:56
  Evan: the bottom of the because.
• 59:57
  tyler: He's getting off work at like super early a.m so i assume it's just some kind
• 1:00:01
  tyler: of overnight security guy um because his his um pat says something like it.
• 1:00:05
  Kennan: Wasn't police yeah.
• 1:00:06
  tyler: Yeah it wasn't police it was said something something security i forget the
• 1:00:08
  tyler: name of the company it was like you know a mall or something Well.
• 1:00:11
  Evan: Maybe they don't even have balls left to destroy at that time.
• 1:00:13
  Kennan: Especially at night.
• 1:00:14
  tyler: Yeah, just some security. So, yeah, he's just kind of also at the kind of outer
• 1:00:18
  tyler: edges of poverty, but is now clean.
• 1:00:21
  tyler: He mentions in the movie that he doesn't drink anymore, I guess,
• 1:00:24
  tyler: presumably having gotten over his alcoholism or recovering from his alcoholism
• 1:00:28
  tyler: that kind of led to their estrangement earlier in the timeline.
• 1:00:34
  Evan: One of my other in that same scene with uh dennis hopper i think one of my favorite,
• 1:00:39
  Evan: lines throughout that like after his little monologue and then he you know picks
• 1:00:43
  Evan: up and he shoots him and i think uh christopher walken says i haven't killed
• 1:00:46
  Evan: a guy since 1984 i just think.
• 1:00:49
  tyler: That's yeah i.
• 1:00:50
  Evan: Don't know what it was about that line but i just started just cracks.
• 1:00:52
  tyler: Yeah i think it just goes to the fact like of how much he
• 1:00:55
  tyler: got under his skin like canons that early like why he told that story and just
• 1:00:57
  tyler: like it just really pissed christopher walken's character off um kakadi kirkody
• 1:01:02
  tyler: i forget his name but um yeah it's yeah i thought that was great too i think
• 1:01:06
  tyler: everyone in that scene just just really delivered and that story in particular
• 1:01:10
  tyler: because we're walking i think in particular is just like really great in that in that movie oh.
• 1:01:14
  Evan: Wait but did you did you um can i say what your favorite uh scene was.
• 1:01:17
  tyler: Yeah the very beginning scene.
• 1:01:19
  Kennan: Where he's uh talking to dra uh
• 1:01:21
  Kennan: draxel yeah oh you said that right yeah i thought it was that draxel scene.
• 1:01:26
  Evan: Also is great the.
• 1:01:27
  tyler: Lamp throwing the lamp back and forth and that's kind of that actually that
• 1:01:31
  tyler: goes back to what I was talking about that like confidence of Swagger where
• 1:01:33
  tyler: he's like I'm not sitting because I'm not going to be here that long I'm not
• 1:01:35
  tyler: eating because I'm not hungry and I'm not watching the movie because I've seen
• 1:01:37
  tyler: it before and he lists like the movie and like the credits and stuff you know
• 1:01:41
  tyler: and I think that just that plays into his like that false kind of bravado that
• 1:01:44
  tyler: he brings where he like he may not be feeling it,
• 1:01:47
  tyler: but he on the outside he shows it you know yeah.
• 1:01:50
  Evan: He keeps like knocking the like you said the like the the lampshade back and
• 1:01:55
  Evan: just the whole monologue that drexel has too where he's you know he was like
• 1:01:59
  Evan: you didn't sit down because you know you know if you sat down and had an egg
• 1:02:02
  Evan: roll we'd you know be we'd be chatting it's uh.
• 1:02:05
  tyler: Yeah just.
• 1:02:06
  Kennan: Drexel there's that.
• 1:02:07
  tyler: Character like what were they thinking like what is that he has only like one eye the.
• 1:02:14
  Kennan: Other one has like it's cataracts.
• 1:02:15
  tyler: Completely yeah i think i read somewhere maybe i don't want to like totally butcher
• 1:02:18
  tyler: this i don't want to misremember it but i guess gary oldman was having a hard time finding um
• 1:02:22
  tyler: you know the the delivery the the voice for that and
• 1:02:25
  tyler: it wasn't working and tony scott kind of wasn't feeling it and i guess they like somebody
• 1:02:28
  tyler: delivered food to gary oldman's trailer uh and he had this voice and gary was
• 1:02:33
  tyler: like wait wait say this line and he showed him the lines and the guy like told
• 1:02:36
  tyler: him how to say the lines and it was just like some you know poor detroit black
• 1:02:40
  tyler: kid i guess and it's like him and Gary Oldman kind of work together to really
• 1:02:43
  tyler: workshop Drexel the character.
• 1:02:46
  tyler: I don't know how much truth is there.
• 1:02:48
  Kennan: I know I'm giving Oldman fucking a lot.
• 1:02:50
  tyler: I don't know how much truth is there, but I don't know.
• 1:02:53
  Kennan: My friends are never going to believe this one.
• 1:02:57
  Evan: Oh man, you should have parlayed that in to be like a consultant on some movies or something.
• 1:03:01
  tyler: Yeah, get your SAG card.
• 1:03:04
  Kennan: His LinkedIn is going to be like pizza delivery driver consultant.
• 1:03:08
  tyler: Gary Oldman's consultant. to yeah i.
• 1:03:11
  Evan: Would i would i would pay to see a movie where gary oldman is in the entire
• 1:03:15
  Evan: movie as that character although i don't think it would probably work it's almost
• 1:03:18
  Evan: like it's perfect and it's just.
• 1:03:19
  tyler: That was supposedly the characters fit perfectly that was
• 1:03:22
  tyler: like in talks to happen yeah early i guess like around this
• 1:03:25
  tyler: time there was talks of a spinoff that was just drexel and it just kind
• 1:03:27
  tyler: of never materialized um which is kind of a shame but
• 1:03:30
  tyler: i mean that there's a lot of those stories of like they're supposed to be the
• 1:03:32
  tyler: vega brothers where vincent
• 1:03:33
  tyler: and vic vega um john travolta and um i'm blanking on his name what's vick vega
• 1:03:40
  tyler: from reservoir dogs that he cuts off the ear what the hell's his name michael
• 1:03:43
  tyler: madsen michael madsen and john travolta they're supposed to be a spin-off movie
• 1:03:46
  tyler: where the two of them go on adventures and like heists and stuff there's a bunch
• 1:03:48
  tyler: of like would-be tarantino movies canceled.
• 1:03:51
  Kennan: So fast these days that would not flow anymore some old white guy saying the n-word i.
• 1:03:56
  tyler: Mean i don't know django just just came out so faith late was after there was something else that.
• 1:04:01
  Evan: There's something apparently where Drexel Spivey is linked to Reservoir Dogs.
• 1:04:09
  Evan: Apparently, one of them mentioned someone named Marcellus Spivey,
• 1:04:13
  Evan: and it's supposed to be like his brother, perhaps.
• 1:04:16
  tyler: Huh.
• 1:04:16
  Evan: But I don't know if it's...
• 1:04:18
  tyler: I don't know.
• 1:04:19
  Evan: Or maybe it's... Wait, hold on. What is it?
• 1:04:20
  tyler: Well, Mr. Wolf in Pulp Fiction references like having worked with Alabama,
• 1:04:25
  tyler: somebody named Alabama.
• 1:04:26
  Evan: Oh, that's right. Yeah, he loves to do those little... Yeah, just little teases.
• 1:04:28
  tyler: I don't know if they're actually like, you know, it's kind of like the MCU shit
• 1:04:32
  tyler: before the MCU shit. Tarantino just linking all of his movies together in a shared universe.
• 1:04:35
  Evan: Oh, this is it. So it's not, it's not, it's not. So someone in the movie reservoir,
• 1:04:38
  Evan: his name is Marcellus Spivey, which would be the mixing together,
• 1:04:43
  Evan: um, Drexel Spivey and Marcellus Waltz.
• 1:04:46
  tyler: Okay.
• 1:04:46
  Evan: Well, he like took the names and he stretched them out.
• 1:04:48
  tyler: I heard somewhere along the line and I couldn't find any kind of corroboration for it.
• 1:04:52
  tyler: This is an old fact I heard a long time ago was that he sold,
• 1:04:54
  tyler: Tarantino sold the rights to um true romance to fund reservoir dogs it.
• 1:05:00
  Evan: That's true i've heard that and the same thing with um he sold that and um the
• 1:05:05
  Evan: other one we're talking about natural board killers.
• 1:05:06
  tyler: Okay yeah to kind of to finance both of.
• 1:05:08
  Evan: Those word is to make it.
• 1:05:09
  tyler: To finance reservoir dogs and so maybe it's just kind of an homage to his other
• 1:05:13
  tyler: characters well those reservoir dogs was before pulp fiction wasn't it so maybe
• 1:05:16
  tyler: i don't know i don't know the timeline of when he wrote those scripts i think um Um.
• 1:05:19
  Evan: I think, um, Reservoir Dogs, like 92 and Pulp Fiction was 94.
• 1:05:25
  tyler: Speaking of Tarantino, let's take, let's check in with Kanan.
• 1:05:27
  tyler: Uh, how, how many Tarantino movies have you seen?
• 1:05:30
  Kennan: God, I can't, I don't know.
• 1:05:31
  tyler: I think there are nine, including True Romance, eight that he's directed, I want to say.
• 1:05:35
  Kennan: I've seen True Romance. Glorious Bastards is a Tarantino movie.
• 1:05:38
  tyler: Yeah, with Brad Pitt.
• 1:05:39
  Kennan: Name the other ones and I'll tell you if I've seen them.
• 1:05:41
  tyler: Uh, let's see if I can go in order. Jackie Brown.
• 1:05:43
  Evan: Kill Bill.
• 1:05:44
  tyler: Yeah, Kill Bill 1 and 2.
• 1:05:45
  Kennan: I've seen Kill Bill a long time ago. Jackie Brown? No.
• 1:05:48
  tyler: Reservoir Dogs? No. Pulp Fiction?
• 1:05:50
  Kennan: I think I saw that when I was a child or something. I can't remember.
• 1:05:52
  tyler: Kill Bill 1, Kill Bill 2, Django Unchained?
• 1:05:54
  Kennan: I want to see it, but I've never seen it.
• 1:05:56
  tyler: Hateful Eight?
• 1:05:57
  Kennan: Never seen it uh.
• 1:05:58
  tyler: Once upon a time in hollywood i wanted to.
• 1:06:00
  Kennan: See it but never seen it.
• 1:06:01
  tyler: Did i forget one i think that's everything death death proof okay never seen it they're all which.
• 1:06:06
  Evan: Is actually the only one i have not seen my.
• 1:06:08
  tyler: My brother-in-law.
• 1:06:10
  Kennan: Is a very big fan.
• 1:06:11
  tyler: So he probably would have seen all the tarantino yeah he probably would have
• 1:06:14
  tyler: seen all of those tarantino's also a guy with very questionable politics um
• 1:06:17
  tyler: he's well not let's let me rephrase that he has normal politics except having
• 1:06:21
  tyler: come out for like pretty strong support of israel so well.
• 1:06:24
  Evan: Plus he'd also like you know abused uma thurman on uh the kill bill.
• 1:06:29
  tyler: Oh i didn't even know that stuff.
• 1:06:30
  Evan: Yeah he made her do a stunt in the car which ended up like breaking her fibula
• 1:06:35
  Evan: or something i forget what she ended up getting hurt like he made her do this
• 1:06:38
  Evan: stunt that she didn't want to do because he liked the way her hair would blow in the uh in the.
• 1:06:44
  tyler: Shot and.
• 1:06:44
  Evan: Then she like crashed the car and then you know.
• 1:06:46
  tyler: Real um like what's his name kubrick real crew kubrick vibes of like what he did uh what's her face um,
• 1:06:53
  tyler: um what's her name in uh and shining uh what's her name i know yeah yeah just
• 1:06:59
  tyler: borderline just actual torture yeah well.
• 1:07:02
  Evan: That that movie funny you mentioned that is the scene there's one scene in the
• 1:07:06
  Evan: movie where he made shelly devol do the scene like 113.
• 1:07:11
  tyler: Times which.
• 1:07:11
  Evan: Is now the guinness record.
• 1:07:12
  tyler: Yeah where she's like actually like frayed and crying because he wanted her
• 1:07:15
  tyler: like just on edge and just shaking from like you know exhaustion and crying
• 1:07:18
  tyler: and just fatigued and so that that was the look he was going for.
• 1:07:20
  tyler: So he artificially manufactured that look by just... But it was more than that.
• 1:07:24
  tyler: He had instructed all of the cast and crew to just completely berate her and
• 1:07:28
  tyler: talk shit to her and just ignore her and just be awful to her.
• 1:07:32
  tyler: And so she was just in a corner. Her hair was falling out. She started chain smoking.
• 1:07:35
  tyler: She really didn't act again after that movie because of her treatment by just
• 1:07:39
  tyler: the cast and crew and Stanley Kubrick as the director. Just absolute torture.
• 1:07:43
  Evan: That also reminds me. I saw some fact. I think it was in...
• 1:07:48
  Evan: somewhere when i was doing research for true romance apparently tony scott during
• 1:07:52
  Evan: a number of scenes with patricia arquette would slap her in the face before yeah i read.
• 1:07:56
  tyler: That too but i read that that was like at the request of patricia arquette.
• 1:07:59
  Evan: Right right i meant that was the caveat to say it wasn't like he was yeah yeah
• 1:08:03
  Evan: she was like she was trying to get like.
• 1:08:05
  tyler: Jazzed and just like in that mode of like that a level of like abuse and just
• 1:08:08
  tyler: like tension or whatever so he would just backhand her or whatever or i don't
• 1:08:12
  tyler: know if it was backhand but like you know just give her a slap before each scene
• 1:08:15
  tyler: to get her just get her going.
• 1:08:16
  Evan: Yeah and since you mentioned that as like your favorite scene i think as
• 1:08:20
  Evan: i'm as we're talking about it might be maybe not my favorite but
• 1:08:22
  Evan: very close to it it's almost like the note that i wrote down when
• 1:08:25
  Evan: i was watching it is sort of like you know gandolfini could
• 1:08:28
  Evan: represent this you know idea of capitalism and it's keeps he just keeps beating
• 1:08:32
  Evan: and crushing her and crushing her and she just you know keeps getting up because
• 1:08:35
  Evan: she literally has to sort of have to you know it's like if she doesn't yeah
• 1:08:39
  Evan: so it's almost like she has no other there's no other way to fight you know
• 1:08:42
  Evan: the system without you know not getting knocked down yeah that's like i.
• 1:08:46
  tyler: Think probably the most visceral like The final shootout is violent,
• 1:08:49
  tyler: but I think that scene in particular is just the most raw and visceral.
• 1:08:52
  tyler: Just her screams and just her bludgeoning him.
• 1:08:55
  tyler: It's just intense. I think it's just a really, really well done scene.
• 1:08:59
  Evan: Especially when he throws her in the shower and the glass shards are flying around like that.
• 1:09:05
  Evan: I'm surprised she wasn't more badly hurt. Just her face. Like,
• 1:09:08
  Evan: oh, I got hit with a basketball.
• 1:09:09
  tyler: Yeah, that's what I was about to say.
• 1:09:11
  Kennan: It's like the guy believed it.
• 1:09:13
  tyler: Well, I mean, I don't think he really did. Well, Michael Rappaport did because
• 1:09:16
  tyler: his character was an idiot.
• 1:09:17
  tyler: but uh yeah but donna was i think that was the thing that donna would saw right
• 1:09:20
  tyler: through it like he was just like what are you doing to her it was like oh it
• 1:09:23
  tyler: was a basketball he just kind of looked at him like he was an idiot you know
• 1:09:26
  tyler: like obviously it's not a basketball.
• 1:09:29
  Evan: Actually you know what i'm going to change my favorite scene my favorite scene
• 1:09:32
  Evan: is when the um what is his name um elliot the uh like the other actor.
• 1:09:38
  tyler: Guy is.
• 1:09:39
  Evan: Driving in his car and the cocaine just.
• 1:09:40
  tyler: Gets thrown across his face i don't know who that actor is but he really he
• 1:09:44
  tyler: was really good i I don't think I've ever seen him before or since,
• 1:09:47
  tyler: but he crushed it in that.
• 1:09:48
  tyler: His scenes with Tom Sizemore and Chris Penn, we haven't even talked about Tom
• 1:09:52
  tyler: Sizemore and Chris Penn yet, but they're great in this, and his scenes with
• 1:09:55
  tyler: them are really funny, and his scenes with his subservience to Donovitz,
• 1:10:00
  tyler: which is juxtaposed to his big dick swagger with Michael Rapaport and Christian
• 1:10:05
  tyler: Slater of how he coats, which is depending on who he's in the room with.
• 1:10:09
  tyler: I think he really did a great job, and I don't know that guy,
• 1:10:13
  tyler: and i i vaguely recognize him but i couldn't tell you anything else he's done but he was great he.
• 1:10:18
  Evan: Actually it's funny you said i had just watched the new beverly hills movie beverly.
• 1:10:23
  tyler: Hills movie and.
• 1:10:24
  Evan: He's he yeah he's in that briefly and he's also in other beverly hills cop movies i think two.
• 1:10:29
  tyler: And three the first one maybe i don't know if i should revisit those the third.
• 1:10:33
  Evan: One is terrible do not.
• 1:10:34
  tyler: Okay well i've been the second one's okay i've been wanting to watch this new
• 1:10:37
  tyler: one because i've heard you know kind of
• 1:10:39
  tyler: generally positive things about it because i guess everybody's back um paul
• 1:10:42
  tyler: riser and judge reinhold everybody's back so i'm like okay shit well maybe i
• 1:10:44
  tyler: should check that out but i've only ever seen the first one it's fun so i was
• 1:10:46
  tyler: debating going back and watching them all or just cutting to this one i don't know but yeah you don't.
• 1:10:50
  Evan: Really need to see the other ones to be honest i think the first one is enough
• 1:10:53
  Evan: because they do a lot of like little callbacks and they actually like i don't want to ruin.
• 1:10:57
  tyler: It they like.
• 1:10:58
  Evan: Make fun of the fact that the other ones are terrible.
• 1:11:00
  tyler: Oh okay that's fun maybe i will just check it out i'm flying in a couple days
• 1:11:04
  tyler: so i'll probably you know that's a good plane movie i think but yeah i agree
• 1:11:07
  tyler: i think but you're right though he killed he killed that actor killed it bronson.
• 1:11:10
  Evan: Pinoch bronson prenote pinoch.
• 1:11:13
  tyler: Okay great whatever wherever that guy is up to now he did
• 1:11:15
  tyler: a really great job yeah because just like yeah when he was at the the
• 1:11:18
  tyler: um prior to the roller coaster he was
• 1:11:21
  tyler: just like you know totally just like in command of that you know
• 1:11:24
  tyler: he was the guy with all the cards post roller coaster it was christian slater
• 1:11:27
  tyler: and then when you see him with donovitz he's just like this like um you know
• 1:11:31
  tyler: cowering kind of like totally subservient to donovitz just like while he's in
• 1:11:35
  tyler: that room he has a master and And it's just like that actor just really like
• 1:11:38
  tyler: conveyed that, I think, just in a really good way.
• 1:11:42
  Evan: Oh, man. That actor was on Perfect Strangers for 150 episodes.
• 1:11:46
  Evan: He was the leading actor in Perfect Strangers.
• 1:11:49
  tyler: Okay.
• 1:11:49
  Evan: Which I've never actually seen.
• 1:11:50
  tyler: But okay.
• 1:11:51
  Kennan: He was also on Kung Fu and Titties, I think, more importantly.
• 1:11:54
  tyler: Okay.
• 1:11:55
  Evan: You guys had a checkered career.
• 1:11:57
  tyler: All right. A storied career. Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:12:00
  Evan: I mean.
• 1:12:00
  tyler: I don't know. There's just everybody in this is just like from every like we
• 1:12:04
  tyler: kind of briefly mentioned Tom Sizemore and Chris Penn.
• 1:12:06
  tyler: also dead Chris Penn shout out to rest in peace like
• 1:12:09
  tyler: Chris Penn um Sean Penn's brother I believe and everyone just does a great job
• 1:12:14
  tyler: except for fucking Michael Rapaport but again I would I argue that I I am letting
• 1:12:19
  tyler: my distaste of Michael Rapaport cloud my judgment I think as an actor in this
• 1:12:23
  tyler: he was fine I think I think he was the weakest but I think he was still fine
• 1:12:26
  tyler: I think there's some certain who's the.
• 1:12:28
  Evan: Other detective oh Chris Penn.
• 1:12:29
  tyler: Yeah and Tom the other one was size yeah yeah which i think they're yeah i know
• 1:12:34
  tyler: i think at least one of them is the same kind of detective in enemy the state
• 1:12:37
  tyler: and in the state there's a lot of parallels with this movie it's just there's no fantasy who's.
• 1:12:41
  Kennan: That that was one of the other detectives right kevin corrigan it was like the more.
• 1:12:45
  tyler: Latino based.
• 1:12:46
  Kennan: One but yeah no those cops i think
• 1:12:49
  Kennan: they could have found better actors for those i that
• 1:12:52
  Kennan: they were they're not bad like they'll do me wrong they're not not as bad
• 1:12:55
  Kennan: as rapaport i thought rapaport did a not a great job to be honest with you even
• 1:12:59
  Kennan: though i don't it's not about me not liking his politics it's just that like
• 1:13:03
  Kennan: in between scenes of him saying his lines or acting his face kind of like turns
• 1:13:08
  Kennan: off as if he was not acting anymore if that makes any sense yeah.
• 1:13:12
  Evan: It's his it i think it's also i i would love to have remembered what i thought
• 1:13:18
  Evan: of it before you know knowing what he's like if i he just seemed like just kind
• 1:13:23
  Evan: of like a like a dummy i don't know like he just it didn't uh maybe that was
• 1:13:28
  Evan: like maybe that was what it was It was meant to be.
• 1:13:30
  Evan: Maybe he was trying to just be so spineless and goofy and whatever that it-
• 1:13:35
  Evan: He's just not there. It was like the opposite.
• 1:13:37
  Evan: Yeah. Or something like that. But yeah, it's, um.
• 1:13:40
  Kennan: I know a lot of actors take that like cadence of, uh, becoming the person and
• 1:13:46
  Kennan: then just enveloping themselves so much with that character that they like every,
• 1:13:51
  Kennan: at every moment they become that, you know, that personality.
• 1:13:54
  Kennan: Like I know Jim Carrey goes crazy with it. Like he spends like his entire being,
• 1:13:59
  Kennan: being that character even by himself.
• 1:14:01
  Evan: Yeah. Yeah. Like going so deep into it. What's the guy?
• 1:14:04
  Evan: Um, um joaquin phoenix is like that apparently like he does interviews on tv
• 1:14:09
  Evan: shows when he's preparing for a movie and he's in character of that movie he's
• 1:14:13
  Evan: like i'm not going out of this character like it's oh yeah that you know that's
• 1:14:16
  Evan: commitment that's commitment but it's also i don't think that michael rapaport
• 1:14:19
  Evan: was going that deep though he doesn't seem like good enough actor.
• 1:14:22
  Kennan: Yeah and that that's the thing i just don't think he did a very good job but
• 1:14:26
  Kennan: he also he looked very young so i think he might have just been an um early
• 1:14:30
  Kennan: emerging actor perhaps i don't know.
• 1:14:32
  Evan: Yeah let me see what he's been in this is his third movie and the other one
• 1:14:36
  Evan: seemed like was even lesser roles it seems like he's actually been way more
• 1:14:41
  Evan: movies than i realized a ton of them actually he's.
• 1:14:44
  Kennan: Always a lot like he's always a side character i really saw like.
• 1:14:47
  Evan: The first time i.
• 1:14:48
  Kennan: Think i've seen him in like a movie or a tv series uh where he was like one
• 1:14:53
  Kennan: of the main characters was uh i was that one that was pretty recent uh with
• 1:14:59
  Kennan: with the sun being like severely autistic.
• 1:15:02
  Evan: Oh i know what you're talking about um yeah that show was pretty good yeah the first.
• 1:15:06
  Kennan: Season was fantastic uh the second season i think it was a whole different uh
• 1:15:10
  Kennan: either director or writer and i just lost it on me.
• 1:15:15
  Evan: Atypical correct.
• 1:15:16
  Kennan: That is what it's called atypical.
• 1:15:18
  Evan: Yeah i can't i just look in there i think i watched the whole thing but i remember
• 1:15:22
  Evan: the last two seasons just also being and just like i just want to know what
• 1:15:26
  Evan: happens fair enough fair enough i i was sort of like i don't know why i invested
• 1:15:31
  Evan: so much sometimes i'll nowadays if i watch it like a season and i'm like start
• 1:15:35
  Evan: a second season it's not good i'm just i'm out yeah.
• 1:15:37
  Kennan: 100 and specifically with michael rapaport like once i found out that he was
• 1:15:42
  Kennan: like you know an israeli a dick sucker i was just like yeah i'm not i can't
• 1:15:47
  Kennan: Now, I can't watch anything with him in the movie without having some sort of conflict,
• 1:15:52
  Kennan: because I'm constantly thinking about politics instead of just watching the damn movie.
• 1:15:56
  Kennan: At least in this one, he was very young, so I give him the benefit of the doubt there.
• 1:16:00
  tyler: It's worse than just being pro-Israel because a lot of,
• 1:16:04
  tyler: celebrities are pro-israel because they have to be and like whereas i don't think that's like
• 1:16:08
  tyler: respectable i'm not giving them a pass for that it's at least somewhat understandable
• 1:16:11
  tyler: yeah but michael rapaport is like genocidal he's like out of the way he's like
• 1:16:15
  tyler: but he's like way over the top of like we need to like exterminate all hamas
• 1:16:19
  tyler: exterminate gaza like he is like well.
• 1:16:21
  Kennan: There's also a video of him like literally saying hey if i say these keywords
• 1:16:24
  Kennan: you guys have to pay me extra and he's in a hotel and somebody's literally filming
• 1:16:27
  Kennan: him and then he like literally goes to charge the person he's like hey don't
• 1:16:31
  Kennan: fucking film me blah blah.
• 1:16:32
  tyler: This is a real piece of shit like.
• 1:16:34
  Kennan: Yeah i was just selling himself.
• 1:16:36
  Evan: Yeah well like so i was gonna the only thing i was gonna mention about you were
• 1:16:39
  Evan: talking about the cops like being you know maybe kind of not great but in some
• 1:16:42
  Evan: ways i almost kind of like that because you it's not pro cop like i don't think
• 1:16:47
  Evan: even there being cops in it as cop again because most they all get killed right.
• 1:16:51
  tyler: Everyone's killed yeah uh almost survives and then the last second but jarquette shoots and.
• 1:16:57
  Kennan: She should have.
• 1:16:58
  tyler: That's or maybe i forget which one it was got chris pin because chris pin went
• 1:17:02
  tyler: to execute the bodyguard yeah who yelled that he didn't like cops and then it's.
• 1:17:06
  Kennan: Like this is for whatever his.
• 1:17:07
  tyler: Name was cody and then and then at that moment pretty sure i can't yeah
• 1:17:10
  tyler: she picks up the gun like sidearm and then finally kills him the final cody
• 1:17:14
  tyler: i don't know uh but yeah i agree with you it's not very like pro cop because
• 1:17:18
  tyler: like they directly put like this not innocent bystander elliot uh like in harm's
• 1:17:23
  tyler: way and kind of like joking when clarence pulls a gun on the elevator they're
• 1:17:27
  tyler: like joking about whether or not he's going to get, whether or not he's going to, um,
• 1:17:30
  tyler: be executed by Clarence, by Christian Slater. And so the, and they're kind of
• 1:17:33
  tyler: just like not doing anything about it.
• 1:17:36
  tyler: Like just laughing on the sideline while their CI kind of is in mortal danger, which is, you know.
• 1:17:40
  Kennan: He's not going to kill him.
• 1:17:42
  tyler: Yeah. And then they're like, kind of like almost like taking bets or whether
• 1:17:44
  tyler: or not they're, they're informants about to get executed and they,
• 1:17:47
  tyler: they kind of seemingly don't care.
• 1:17:48
  tyler: So yeah, I think it doesn't definitely, it definitely doesn't portray the police
• 1:17:51
  tyler: as like, it's not very pro police.
• 1:17:53
  Evan: No, no. I mean, it's kind of, they're just kind of on the side,
• 1:17:55
  Evan: you know, they're, and also like the conversation they have with their their
• 1:17:58
  Evan: chief like to do the wire and everything it's very like they're talking about
• 1:18:02
  Evan: how they want to get credit for this i mean yeah they don't care about anything except getting credit.
• 1:18:05
  tyler: Like that's all they like you know careerists.
• 1:18:07
  Evan: Exactly they don't care actually to get the coke off the you know the street
• 1:18:11
  Evan: yeah they don't care about that yeah.
• 1:18:12
  tyler: They just want the bus for their career yeah.
• 1:18:14
  Evan: Yeah those uh but yeah but i guess as we were saying like they're every pretty
• 1:18:17
  Evan: near every single little bit i think the only one person we haven't talked about
• 1:18:20
  Evan: it's brad pitt sort of lackadaisical stone in his first range you know yeah.
• 1:18:26
  Kennan: That threw me off to be honest it's.
• 1:18:28
  tyler: Like oh this is long hair.
• 1:18:29
  Kennan: It's like is that.
• 1:18:30
  tyler: Brad pitt yeah i just love that he's randomly in that because i think he had
• 1:18:35
  tyler: already done i think he had done thelma and louise at this point like he had
• 1:18:38
  tyler: done like he had had more leading roles at this point it's kind of unclear like
• 1:18:43
  tyler: why he would just agree to do this i mean i don't know for fun just for fun yeah his hat fun.
• 1:18:47
  Evan: He done yeah done thomas louise he done um legends.
• 1:18:51
  tyler: Of the fall.
• 1:18:51
  Evan: Probably a river runs through it i think so the.
• 1:18:54
  Kennan: Dude's always just look the same though yeah like i looked at him like well
• 1:18:56
  Kennan: his face it just it looks the same it's just i'm a.
• 1:19:00
  tyler: Big fan uh and.
• 1:19:01
  Evan: It's the same kids it's the same look as an interview with a vampire right he's
• 1:19:04
  Evan: got the long hair christian slater movie interview the vampire christian.
• 1:19:07
  tyler: Slater was the uh the interviewer.
• 1:19:08
  Evan: That's right he was the reporter or the journalist or whatever it must
• 1:19:11
  Evan: be one of those like these are what could be those those things where like someone knew
• 1:19:14
  Evan: him and it's like oh you should you know he wants to be in this movie or
• 1:19:17
  Evan: he so i don't know that these these things all favors and then he then he like
• 1:19:21
  Evan: had a i mean his well we don't have to go down brad pitt but then i was just
• 1:19:24
  Evan: looking at his uh just got his not discography his filmography he went seven
• 1:19:28
  Evan: twelve monkeys sleeper devil's own seven years in tibet meet joe black fight
• 1:19:33
  Evan: club snatch all in a row yeah.
• 1:19:35
  tyler: He had a really good mid 90s and early 2000s i.
• 1:19:38
  Evan: Mean even going back where everyone's.
• 1:19:39
  tyler: Through and legend of the fall are both great too like he he crushed.
• 1:19:42
  Evan: The entire 90s.
• 1:19:43
  tyler: Yeah i think he didn't really he.
• 1:19:44
  Evan: Didn't really miss for.
• 1:19:46
  tyler: The first like that 15 year stretch i don't remember seven years in tibet being
• 1:19:50
  tyler: great but i haven't seen it in.
• 1:19:52
  Evan: 20 years it's also kind of i think it's pretty anti-ccp propaganda yeah yeah
• 1:19:57
  Evan: i actually read an article how it's like horribly propaganda yeah.
• 1:20:01
  tyler: I have i haven't seen it since like becoming a communist but i imagine it's
• 1:20:03
  tyler: probably very anti-communist i'll have to revisit that.
• 1:20:06
  Evan: Yeah i i don't know that i would actually revisit it but i remember seeing and
• 1:20:10
  Evan: than thinking, reading some article being like, this actually is a super problematic
• 1:20:13
  Evan: movie that no one should ever see.
• 1:20:15
  tyler: Yeah, fair enough.
• 1:20:16
  Kennan: What about Mr. and Mrs. Smith? When did that come out? Like 2004?
• 1:20:18
  tyler: Yeah, somewhere around 2002, 2003 maybe.
• 1:20:21
  Evan: Plus all the Ocean's Eleven movies. Oh, yeah.
• 1:20:23
  tyler: Yeah, the first couple of those were pretty good.
• 1:20:24
  Kennan: I know.
• 1:20:24
  tyler: And then he went Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Dude, Troy. Bring it full circle,
• 1:20:28
  tyler: come back to Tarantino. Troy was bad, though, man.
• 1:20:30
  Kennan: I love Troy.
• 1:20:31
  tyler: Oh, my God.
• 1:20:31
  Kennan: I love Troy.
• 1:20:32
  tyler: He's so bad.
• 1:20:33
  Kennan: I have an archaeology degree, okay? I'm very into that sort of like- I hate
• 1:20:38
  Kennan: swords and sandals movies.
• 1:20:39
  tyler: Dude. Did you see the trailer for Gladiator 2? I think that's like- No.
• 1:20:42
  Kennan: They should just leave it at one Gladiator.
• 1:20:43
  tyler: The trailer for Gladiator 2 just dropped, and that's like the joke in movies
• 1:20:47
  tyler: where it's It's like the whole like Tropic Thunder, Tug Speedman,
• 1:20:51
  tyler: like making all these sequels of like that's the trope and they did it.
• 1:20:56
  tyler: It's like a parody of itself by making Gladiator 2 with Pedro Pascal,
• 1:20:59
  tyler: Denzel Washington, and I forget who the third lead is, but I don't know.
• 1:21:03
  tyler: I just hate that they remade that movie or made a sequel.
• 1:21:06
  Evan: I know. I love the first one. It's like one of my favorite movies of all time.
• 1:21:10
  tyler: Yeah, I'll say I don't like Swords and Sandals movies except that Gladiator
• 1:21:13
  tyler: because that was really well made.
• 1:21:15
  Kennan: Gladiator was fantastic. I mean, it had Hans Zimmer in it too.
• 1:21:17
  tyler: Hans zimmer yeah but.
• 1:21:20
  Kennan: I i the storyline was quite long but it was fantastic i i.
• 1:21:24
  tyler: Really like.
• 1:21:25
  Kennan: How it just started out with battle like anything that just starts out with
• 1:21:27
  Kennan: like some crazy ass battle i'm into like.
• 1:21:29
  tyler: Historically wildly inaccurate though like the tactics it's a movie yeah.
• 1:21:35
  Evan: Joaquin phoenix kills.
• 1:21:36
  tyler: It like i love joaquin phoenix absolutely and uh what's his
• 1:21:39
  tyler: name tommy flanagan i like him a lot too um the the
• 1:21:42
  tyler: guy from like sons of anarchy with the two scars uh the the irish actor he's
• 1:21:45
  tyler: in peaky blinders he's oh yeah he's in gladiator he's in he's in a lot of stuff
• 1:21:48
  tyler: he was like the general's kind of right-hand man kind of guy he's um he's i'm
• 1:21:52
  tyler: a big fan of tommy flanagan that was a big fun i was big son of anarchy years
• 1:21:55
  tyler: man was napoleon any good i never saw it probably not but i didn't see it i.
• 1:22:01
  Evan: Heard it's like there's parts of it that are okay but then as like a as a whole
• 1:22:05
  Evan: you know spectacle wise good movie wise.
• 1:22:07
  tyler: Yeah and i don't know apple plus is the one streaming service i don't have so
• 1:22:11
  tyler: i'm like well probably never see that one yeah all right well anything else
• 1:22:14
  tyler: to say about true romance we skip anything i.
• 1:22:16
  Evan: Know yeah i was.
• 1:22:16
  tyler: Thinking i.
• 1:22:17
  Evan: Was about to say like is there any any little trivia facts that you had.
• 1:22:19
  tyler: I was just going to drop the one about brad pitt the hat he wore he found that
• 1:22:22
  tyler: on the venice beach um like boardwalk and
• 1:22:25
  tyler: he just he just found it and he took it home and washed it and that was
• 1:22:27
  tyler: what he wore for the movie um just very like beach bummy kind
• 1:22:30
  tyler: of guy yeah i don't know i don't know i mean there's a
• 1:22:33
  tyler: lot of just random trivia about this movie that it's just like i just
• 1:22:36
  tyler: i don't know i just i like i said just to kind of like come full circle to
• 1:22:39
  tyler: what i said at the beginning i i think i agree it is a very kind of
• 1:22:42
  tyler: just like a cliche crime keeper but the whimsy and
• 1:22:45
  tyler: that kind of fantasy elements and the chemistry in particular
• 1:22:48
  tyler: like the score and just everything kind of comes together to make this
• 1:22:51
  tyler: something else and something better than than it should be then it like by all
• 1:22:54
  tyler: counts if you describe just the plot you know 90s movie christmas later patricia
• 1:22:59
  tyler: rickett they find some coke they got to sell coke there it's a shootout cops
• 1:23:02
  tyler: robbers whatever that sounds really generic but there's something about this
• 1:23:05
  tyler: movie that like is elevated above just that and i think that a lot
• 1:23:09
  tyler: of that is like that kind of whimsy fantasy the score like i mentioned,
• 1:23:13
  tyler: keep repeating myself i.
• 1:23:14
  Evan: Think they've tried to make movies like this since then like the same kind of
• 1:23:17
  Evan: thing and none of them can you know.
• 1:23:19
  tyler: Yeah i just watched a movie that reminds me a lot of this um i
• 1:23:22
  tyler: watched the movie last week and then i watched true romance today and i was
• 1:23:25
  tyler: like this it's called dragged across concrete i think is what it's called it's
• 1:23:29
  tyler: it's 2018 i hadn't heard of it either it's it's got it's also got a really stacked
• 1:23:33
  tyler: cast very similar to this where it's like it's a kind of these vignettes of
• 1:23:36
  tyler: like characters are introduced and then never seen again mel gibson and vince
• 1:23:39
  tyler: fawn are the through lines they're two police detectives that have been um
• 1:23:42
  tyler: they've been suspended without pay for excessive force that they were filmed
• 1:23:46
  tyler: you know kind of like kneeing on a stomping on a guy's neck this is two years before jewish florid um
• 1:23:52
  tyler: and then they they decide to kind of commit a crime to like to
• 1:23:55
  tyler: make some money but like don johnson is their like police
• 1:23:58
  tyler: captain whatever that fires them and it just it keeps going through all
• 1:24:00
  tyler: these scenes and it's actually a really interesting movie i i recommend checking
• 1:24:04
  tyler: it out it's it's not bad um and it but it's just it has elements of this where
• 1:24:07
  tyler: it's just they're the through line of trying to commit this crime that just
• 1:24:10
  tyler: kind of things keep going wrong and every scene they keep coming across is like
• 1:24:14
  tyler: a prolific actor you'll recognize you're like oh was that don johnson as her
• 1:24:18
  tyler: captain then he goes away and then who is it uh jennifer carpenter i think is her name um,
• 1:24:23
  tyler: dexter's sister and she's in she's in a bunch of movies she's um she's like
• 1:24:27
  tyler: at the bank teller whatever and it's i don't know i think it's interesting it's
• 1:24:30
  tyler: streaming it was streaming on one of the free services like a 2b or pluto or
• 1:24:33
  tyler: something that's where i watched it well obviously Obviously.
• 1:24:35
  Evan: You would say, Ty, that you would obviously recommend this being one of your
• 1:24:39
  Evan: favorite movies. Would you say it's a rewatchable movie?
• 1:24:42
  tyler: I think so. I mean, I would say it's.
• 1:24:45
  Kennan: A rewatchable movie. Yeah, it was a really good movie.
• 1:24:46
  tyler: Yeah. Yeah, I've made everyone I've ever met watch the movie.
• 1:24:49
  tyler: Like all my friends and my partner and everything.
• 1:24:51
  tyler: Like this is the one movie. There's a couple. There's this, Jaws,
• 1:24:54
  tyler: and like Let the Right One In, I think are like three movies that I make people
• 1:24:57
  tyler: watch if they haven't seen them. I think those are three almost perfect movies.
• 1:25:01
  Kennan: I have never seen Jaws.
• 1:25:02
  Evan: Yeah.
• 1:25:02
  tyler: You haven't seen Jaws? I was in Jaws, Alien, Let the Right One In,
• 1:25:04
  tyler: and this are like borderline perfect movies. The Thing. I think The Thing too would be on that list.
• 1:25:08
  Evan: Like when I rate movies like online, like, well, I didn't use,
• 1:25:11
  Evan: I'd only recently used like Letterboxd.
• 1:25:12
  Evan: But if I rate something five stars, to me, it's a movie you could just watch
• 1:25:15
  Evan: at any time. It's just like rewatchable classic kind of movie.
• 1:25:19
  Evan: And if it's under that, like, it doesn't mean you wouldn't rewatch it.
• 1:25:21
  Evan: But The Five is just the, you know, for me, like, you mentioned The Fifth Element
• 1:25:26
  Evan: earlier. That's like one of my favorite movies.
• 1:25:27
  Evan: And I could just put that on at any moment and just, yeah, I'll watch it.
• 1:25:31
  tyler: Yeah. Those movies, the more and more you think about, the more you say,
• 1:25:35
  tyler: oh, I remember that scene, oh, I remember that scene, I remember when that happened.
• 1:25:37
  tyler: It's just like all of these moments just come to mind. And the others is a handful
• 1:25:40
  tyler: of movies like that for me.
• 1:25:43
  tyler: This is definitely on that list.
• 1:25:44
  Kennan: Well, do you want to give it a rating? What would you do?
• 1:25:47
  tyler: Out of five stars? I'm incredibly biased. Out of five, I'd say like a 4.8 out
• 1:25:50
  tyler: of five. I think there's like just a couple of like minor things, like we mentioned.
• 1:25:55
  tyler: Michael Rapaport's delivery, the two bodyguards delivery.
• 1:25:59
  tyler: I don't know. I think a 4.8 out of five.
• 1:26:02
  Kennan: What about you, Evan?
• 1:26:04
  Evan: I gave it five out of five on like a half, you know, on the scale of each thing being a half.
• 1:26:10
  Evan: I mean and that's for me it's like I'm saying like I could watch it at any time
• 1:26:14
  Evan: but looking in like retrospect like some of those like Michael Rapaport is kind
• 1:26:18
  Evan: of like a sucky thing on it but you know it's a shame he didn't die yeah.
• 1:26:21
  tyler: He was actually one of only.
• 1:26:22
  Evan: Two people.
• 1:26:23
  tyler: The three people to survive were him and then the two leads yeah.
• 1:26:26
  Evan: Yeah why couldn't he die like like Elliot and.
• 1:26:28
  tyler: Donovan's everybody got gunned down except Elliot got obliterated yeah.
• 1:26:32
  Evan: Oh yeah I would give it a four point yeah yeah I give it five or close to it yeah.
• 1:26:38
  tyler: I'll give it as close to kind of a perfect as you know these movies can get.
• 1:26:42
  Kennan: I'll give it a 4.3.
• 1:26:43
  tyler: Which is pretty much like a B.
• 1:26:45
  Kennan: Plus A minus.
• 1:26:45
  tyler: It's not Lord of the Rings but it's close.
• 1:26:48
  Kennan: It's a good movie.
• 1:26:49
  tyler: I like it a lot I don't know how you usually kind of tease these out but that
• 1:26:54
  tyler: was a lot of fun thanks for having us I always get to nerd out and talk about my favorite movies
• 1:26:58
  tyler: if we ever do this again we'll let Kanan choose well I don't know I'm choosing
• 1:27:02
  tyler: again sorry I have a wider range of movies to choose from I want to just watch
• 1:27:06
  tyler: Lord of the Rings over and over no offense well i mean i've watched i've done the i've.
• 1:27:10
  Evan: Done episodes on all the.
• 1:27:11
  tyler: Right and the hobbits actually have you done let the right one in i think that's
• 1:27:14
  tyler: probably like my second have.
• 1:27:15
  Kennan: You done the rings of power i have not i love.
• 1:27:17
  tyler: That movie it's one of my favorites i think that's probably like my second favorite
• 1:27:19
  tyler: movie um it's fucking great oh.
• 1:27:22
  Evan: Interesting do you do shows at all yeah i feel like i didn't watch you do.
• 1:27:24
  Kennan: Shows at all or is it.
• 1:27:25
  tyler: Just tvs so.
• 1:27:26
  Evan: I um haven't i've done one episode on a show but it was more like just kind
• 1:27:33
  Evan: of in general but no i've actually like tease the idea of starting a second
• 1:27:38
  Evan: podcast i just don't really have the time.
• 1:27:39
  tyler: To do it i've had the idea for a movie podcast for like 20 years i have the
• 1:27:44
  tyler: email and everything for it that's been my dream this has been this is a real
• 1:27:46
  tyler: big moment for me being on a movie podcast we'll talk about movies you can't
• 1:27:49
  tyler: tell i'm a nerd for this stuff oh yeah and i've been wanting i've i've had this
• 1:27:52
  tyler: idea for a movie podcast for years and one of these days i'm gonna pull the
• 1:27:54
  tyler: trigger on it but i don't know i just don't know if you want to.
• 1:27:58
  Evan: Come back for uh like the halloween i always do lots of horror movies like horror
• 1:28:01
  Evan: movies are probably like my maybe my favorite genre i know originally this is
• 1:28:05
  Evan: gonna be a horror movie podcast and then I changed it but but let the right win is not what I've done.
• 1:28:10
  tyler: Oh cool yeah that's that's I think that's such a beautiful movie that's like
• 1:28:13
  tyler: that that really elevates vampire like fiction because that came out at a time
• 1:28:17
  tyler: where like vampires were everywhere and that was just something different and
• 1:28:20
  tyler: I was just like oh goddamn,
• 1:28:22
  tyler: It's Norwegian, I think?
• 1:28:24
  Evan: Yeah. I don't know that it's my favorite vampire movie, but it's like my top three.
• 1:28:29
  Kennan: I listened to a little bit of that episode, the vampire episode you had with
• 1:28:32
  Kennan: the person that's on the Lennon in 54 volumes.
• 1:28:36
  Evan: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:37
  tyler: I missed that one. What were the vampire movies?
• 1:28:39
  Kennan: It was Dracula. It was Nostradamus.
• 1:28:44
  Evan: Oh, I saw that. I saw that on my feed. Nostradamus.
• 1:28:46
  Kennan: Yeah.
• 1:28:48
  Evan: Yeah it was basically like all of them i guess
• 1:28:51
  Evan: it was the four of the like top i don't know i'd say like five or six movies
• 1:28:55
  Evan: that specifically like the bram stoker story so the bram stoker one the christopher
• 1:29:00
  Evan: lee movie from the 70s the um nosfratu from what is it 1930s something and then
• 1:29:07
  Evan: and then the uh one more i'm blanking on at the moment you.
• 1:29:11
  Kennan: Should have done was the interview.
• 1:29:12
  Evan: I've done that separately You should have done Blade Blade.
• 1:29:16
  tyler: 3 We're done recording right we're just chatting at this point.