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The Late Debate | 30 March · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait, welcome the late base.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and thanks for joining us. I'm James Macpherson
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  Speaker 2: with Danika to Georgio and Caleb Bond who's back with us.
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  Speaker 2: Having spent the weekend in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed caught up with some of our great mates it
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  Speaker 3: Sky News here, Peter Credle and Tony Abbott, Peter Jennings
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  Speaker 3: and a few others. And I also had the displeasure
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  Speaker 3: of watching the football on Football on Thursday night because
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  Speaker 3: I normally would be here and don't get the chance to.
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  Speaker 4: And I saw the.
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  Speaker 3: Crows get robbed that free in the last quarter that
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  Speaker 3: robbed us of the opportunity to win the game.
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  Speaker 4: So it doesn't get any better, you know.
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  Speaker 5: So when you say did you go to the game?
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  Speaker 4: I did not go to.
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  Speaker 3: Gm HbA, and I'm bloody glad I didn't because that
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  Speaker 3: would have been really miserable coming back from Geelong.
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  Speaker 5: On Thursday and it was pouring with it.
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  Speaker 4: I did get a chance to watch enough football.
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  Speaker 5: How was your weekend, Anika?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 7: I had a great weekend everybody. I don't need to
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  Speaker 7: go into details, but it was lovely.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks. Thank you James.
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  Speaker 2: We will probe you for details during the commercial breakup.
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: My weekend was quiet, all right, here's what's coming up tonight.
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: The son of cop killer Desi Freeman lashes out at
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  Speaker 2: people celebrating his father's death.
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  Speaker 5: Is it okay to be glad? Freeman?
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  Speaker 4: Is no moral?
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  Speaker 2: Is it disrespectful to his family? An English football team
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  Speaker 2: issues a groveling apology to their emotionally scarred fans after
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  Speaker 2: Reform UK leader Nigel Farage was allowed to tour their stadium,
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  Speaker 2: and the Pope warns the Trump administration that God will
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  Speaker 2: not answer their prayers. We'll try to get a second
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  Speaker 2: opinion from upstairs later in the show, assuming the lines
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  Speaker 2: not already busy with people seeking guidance to affordable patrol.
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  Speaker 5: All of that coming up shortly, but.
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  Speaker 2: First Victorian Premier Jciner Allen has announced public transport will
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  Speaker 2: be free for the next month in a bid to
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  Speaker 2: help people through the fuel crisis. And she's got an
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  Speaker 2: election in about eight months, so it helps that too.
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  Speaker 8: As Premier, I'm determined to do everything within my control
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  Speaker 8: to help Victorians deal with the cost of living and
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  Speaker 8: these rising fuel prices. That's why I'm making public transport
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  Speaker 8: free for a month.
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  Speaker 2: Free public transport good idea of Danika.
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  Speaker 7: No, actually, I don't think it is a good idea,
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  Speaker 7: and it's all sold very nicely.
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  Speaker 6: Is just into Alan.
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  Speaker 7: She even made a little pitch there because, of course,
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  Speaker 7: as James said, she's got an election. But stop with
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  Speaker 7: the nonsense free public transport. It's not free. It's never free.
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  Speaker 7: You and I are still paying for it as taxpayers.
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  Speaker 7: We're still subsidizing the costs. So please spare me this
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  Speaker 7: free argument. The other thing that really bothers me about
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  Speaker 7: this is it only suits people who live in the city. Right,
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  Speaker 7: if you're in the city, you take public transport, you'd
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  Speaker 7: be going great. What about people out in the regions.
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  Speaker 7: They can't have free public transport. They've still got to
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  Speaker 7: get to a to b using their car. What about
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  Speaker 7: trades people, what about truck drivers, mobile hairdressers, mobile makeup artists?
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  Speaker 6: For goodness sake, I mean.
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  Speaker 7: There's so many groups here that are not benefiting from
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  Speaker 7: this free public transport. And what it is is it's
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  Speaker 7: a stunt. This is nothing more than an election stunt.
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  Speaker 7: It is not a long term solution. And so no,
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  Speaker 7: please spare me. Everything's going to be free. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: what do we is aw around Mam Dami, please.
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  Speaker 4: But hang on number one.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, the taxpayer is subsidizing public transport, but they already are.
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  Speaker 3: The cost of putting on public transport is far more
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  Speaker 3: than we pay in fares to begin with. That's why
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  Speaker 3: in Queensland they've been able to do fifty cent feares
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  Speaker 3: and you know, it's a small impost on the budget,
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  Speaker 3: but we're already paying over the odds anyway, so the
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  Speaker 3: difference it makes is minimal from that perspective.
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  Speaker 4: Two, I understand.
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  Speaker 3: That if you live in the regions, well, in the
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  Speaker 3: regions they do have a level of public transport. But
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  Speaker 3: say you live rurally, you don't get to enjoy the
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  Speaker 3: free public transport. Perhaps, but someone who is not filling
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  Speaker 3: up their car to drive their car in the city
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  Speaker 3: means there should be more fuel available around the country
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  Speaker 3: and that is of benefit to people who do need
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  Speaker 3: to use it, i e.
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  Speaker 4: People in rural areas. Three.
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  Speaker 3: What is coming if we get to a point where
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  Speaker 3: we ration fuel and there are genuine fuel shortages.
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  Speaker 4: Is this business.
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  Speaker 3: About working from home and having free public transport completely
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  Speaker 3: eliminates that as an issue. There is no excuse, there
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  Speaker 3: is no circumstance. Once you have free public transport under
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  Speaker 3: which you can make an excuse to say, oh, I
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  Speaker 3: can't afford to come to the office anymore because I
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  Speaker 3: can't afford to fill up my car. I think from
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  Speaker 3: that perspective alone, it is worth it because it eliminates
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  Speaker 3: that big problem that we may well be staring at.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but Caleb, this fuel crisis is going to go
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  Speaker 7: on longer than the free fuel stunt crisis.
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  Speaker 5: This thest We may have.
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  Speaker 7: Band aid solutions to try and fix this, right, and
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  Speaker 7: we've got a myriad of issues with this fuel crisis, right,
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  Speaker 7: but this to me is yet another impost.
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  Speaker 6: And the other thing that the.
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  Speaker 7: Other issue that I have with this as well, is
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  Speaker 7: it's cheaper anyway if you do take public transport then
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  Speaker 7: what it is to fill up your car with petrols,
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  Speaker 7: So regardless, you are ahead, even if you are using
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  Speaker 7: public transport to begin with.
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  Speaker 2: To your point that this fuel crisis may drag on,
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  Speaker 2: that's why in Tasmania they're doing republic transport not for
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  Speaker 2: one month but for three months, just into Ellen could
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  Speaker 2: always extend that.
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  Speaker 5: The other problem I have with your argument.
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  Speaker 2: You seem to be arguing if the government can't help
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  Speaker 2: everybody they shouldn't help anybody.
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  Speaker 7: No, I'm not saying that, but the point is you
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  Speaker 7: can't that they're basing their entire arguments saying, yep, we've
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  Speaker 7: come up with a solution to the fuel crisis.
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  Speaker 6: Here we go, three public transfers. The winner. It's a winner.
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  Speaker 7: It's a winner for people if you live in the city.
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  Speaker 7: It is not a winner if you live out in
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  Speaker 7: the region.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot of people that live in the city
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  Speaker 5: who So there's a.
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  Speaker 7: Lot of people out in the regions who would love
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  Speaker 7: some sort of relief right now. I mean they can't
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  Speaker 7: get diesel. If you're on the farm, you can't get
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  Speaker 7: diesel in your car.
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  Speaker 3: Get them out of the car in the city and
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  Speaker 3: onto a bus or a training So how would.
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  Speaker 7: You propose it to fix that if you're out in
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  Speaker 7: the regions and you've got to travel to and from
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  Speaker 7: the cities every day.
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  Speaker 3: Because because fewer people using fuel in the city should
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  Speaker 3: mean that there is greater availability of fuel in other place.
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  Speaker 7: What I'm trying to make is if you're trying to
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  Speaker 7: if we're looking at cost cutting, right, we'll look at
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  Speaker 7: cost cutting. Oh well, it's easy to say, well, look,
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  Speaker 7: you get to save money. But what about if you
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  Speaker 7: need your car. If you need your car, you're not
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  Speaker 7: saving money.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if you need yeah, I know, but but okay,
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  Speaker 3: but in supply and demand, the rules of supply and
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  Speaker 3: demand are the higher the demand the price. Demand then
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  Speaker 3: reduce the demand on the fuel to hopefully deliver a
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  Speaker 3: reduction in price, so those who require the product can
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  Speaker 3: bar But.
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  Speaker 7: What I'm saying is, if you do need your car,
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  Speaker 7: you are not going to benefit from this. It may
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  Speaker 7: we come back to point the time, but not in
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  Speaker 7: the short term tailor, because if you're this is a
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  Speaker 7: short term band aids, of course, the short prices is
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  Speaker 7: going to go for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So what's the point I'm going to turn around
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  Speaker 3: and fix the fuel crisis.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not saying that.
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  Speaker 7: I'm saying we need to have plans because this, to
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  Speaker 7: me reminds me of COVID, where we are just absolutely
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  Speaker 7: blindly unprepared for any sort of circumstances that are happening
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  Speaker 7: around the world. So what are we going to do
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  Speaker 7: now to make sure that this doesn't happen again? Now,
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  Speaker 7: I'm not I'm sure has your argument about supply and
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  Speaker 7: demand needed that team and this I absolutely get this.
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  Speaker 6: I totally get your point.
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  Speaker 7: But what I'm saying is is that I just think
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  Speaker 7: this argument, oh look, we're going to make everything free.
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  Speaker 6: That's going to solve the problems. It's not going to
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  Speaker 6: the problems. That's the point.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that's what Jacinta Ellen is arguing. She's
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  Speaker 5: not suggesting this.
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  Speaker 6: It's an election coming up, she should do anything.
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  Speaker 2: Not suggesting free public transport will solve the fuel Cristis.
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  Speaker 2: She's saying this is something that will help a number
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  Speaker 2: of people, not everybody, but numbers of people.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think, oh, look, she's loving her self sick.
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  Speaker 7: She's made a little package deal. She's going look look
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  Speaker 7: at me, vote for me.
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  Speaker 6: Coming up with the next.
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  Speaker 2: Pat I want to ask you, though, Caleb, because you've
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  Speaker 2: made such an argument in favor of this, what do
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  Speaker 2: you think about Chris Mintz who said, no, we're not
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  Speaker 2: going to do this in your South Wellest or in
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  Speaker 2: your beloved state of South Australia.
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  Speaker 5: They're not doing it either.
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand why you would, and I suspect if
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  Speaker 3: push comes to shove and it gets to the point
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  Speaker 3: where it is becoming a thing that people have to
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  Speaker 3: work from home because we have shortages of fuel. They'll
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  Speaker 3: have no choice but to say we're making public transport free.
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  Speaker 3: Because the business sector, and quite rightly so, will jump
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  Speaker 3: up and down and say this is absolute bs that
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  Speaker 3: we are being told by the federal government that in
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  Speaker 3: order to conserve fuel, people have to work from home.
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  Speaker 3: The only obvious answer to that is to make public
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  Speaker 3: transport free so that most people, because most people live
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  Speaker 3: in the capital cities, then have an opportunity to go
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  Speaker 3: to work and there is no excuse anymore.
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  Speaker 7: But you know, I feel like people almost have Stockholm
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  Speaker 7: syndrome when when it comes to working from home. I
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  Speaker 7: was listening now the day to the Green Senator Peter
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  Speaker 7: wish Wilson, and he even proposed that MPs and politicians
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  Speaker 7: do parliament virtually again.
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  Speaker 6: Oh he was going back.
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  Speaker 7: He's like, you know, we did it during COVID, he said,
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  Speaker 7: And I quite we did it during COVID where we
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  Speaker 7: were able to do it from our homes and from
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  Speaker 7: our offices. Maybe we should bring that back with the
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  Speaker 7: Greens are sitting there licking their lips at the prospect
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  Speaker 7: of working.
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  Speaker 5: Always thought the Greens were virtually politicians.
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  Speaker 3: And it does increase the patronage because when they did
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  Speaker 3: start at the fifty cent fees in Queensland, which the
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  Speaker 3: LNP government has continued up there. Fully, government, it's because
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  Speaker 3: it works. It has actually got more people on public transport.
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  Speaker 2: Interestingly, the Queensland government is not going to do free
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  Speaker 2: public trainsansport because it's free, and having introduced that not
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  Speaker 2: so long ago, it doesn't make sense to them change
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  Speaker 2: it all and offer for free. So he's still going
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  Speaker 2: to pay fifty cents in Queensland. I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: Lols of life.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, while we are talking about the fuel crisis, of course,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the world's oil, as you will, no
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  Speaker 3: more than twenty percent of it goes through the strait
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  Speaker 3: of WHR mooz. And Trump is now talking about he
• 9:23
  Speaker 3: thinks he is taking back control of this. He's certainly
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: attempting to. But an interesting little speech over the weekend
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  Speaker 3: he gave, and I should give you the context. And
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  Speaker 3: you saw what happened last week with Trump saying that
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  Speaker 3: Iran has come back to the table for negotiations, and
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  Speaker 3: so he held off on the threats that he was
• 9:42
  Speaker 3: going to hit their energy infrastructure over there, and Iran
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  Speaker 3: had threatened that they would do the same to the
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  Speaker 3: US and the Gulf States, et cetera. Now, part of
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  Speaker 3: the negotiations that they're currently going through is that Iran
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  Speaker 3: wants not just control over the Strait of holl Moves,
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  Speaker 3: but it wants sovereign over the Strait of hor Moves
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  Speaker 3: as well. Now, now, under international law, that is unprecedented.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's even legal. The suggestion is that
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  Speaker 3: Iran would be able to do whatever the hell it
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  Speaker 3: wants with a strait through which more than twenty percent.
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  Speaker 4: Of the world's oil flows.
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  Speaker 3: Under international law, a strait is basically meant to be
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  Speaker 3: an open body of water that anyone can.
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  Speaker 4: Pass through for trade reasons.
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  Speaker 3: So Trump gives a speech over the weekend in Miami
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  Speaker 3: where he perhaps gee's up Iran a little bit with
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  Speaker 3: these comments'd be.
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  Speaker 6: Great if we could do something, But they have to
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  Speaker 6: open it up.
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  Speaker 4: They have to open up.
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  Speaker 6: The street of Trump, I mean hormones.
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  Speaker 4: Ha ha ha.
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  Speaker 3: Now I kind of understand what he's doing here. He
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: is joking about that he's made it Joe. He's joking
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  Speaker 3: about the fact that Iran wants complete sovereignty over it,
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  Speaker 3: and so he's saying, well, maybe will have complete sovereignty
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  Speaker 3: over it as well and call it the straight of
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  Speaker 3: Hall moves a bit like, you know, it's not the
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  Speaker 3: Gulf of Mexico anymore to the Gulf of America. Part
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: of me, though, goes, h, we're talking about a war here,
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  Speaker 3: should we really be making jokes about it? Like, surely
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  Speaker 3: as an issue it deserves you're both laughing at me,
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  Speaker 3: But surely this is a war and it deserves a
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  Speaker 3: bit more reverence than the president making offhanded jokes at
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  Speaker 3: a forum in Miam.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, are you using Trump and reverence in the same sense?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, sorry, sorry, Sorry, silly me.
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  Speaker 4: I should have known.
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  Speaker 2: I think Trump uses reetric to wage war the same
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: as you use missiles. That he uses intimidation. He uses
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: humor and ridicule to great effect. This is just Trump
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  Speaker 2: being Trump, and you know, I actually like it.
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  Speaker 6: So do I.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, the guys fighting wars and running amateur comedy
• 11:56
  Speaker 7: sessions at the same time. I think he's hilarious. I'm
• 11:59
  Speaker 7: gonna be honest, I think he is funny. And you
• 12:01
  Speaker 7: know what, I don't care that this is about Iran.
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  Speaker 7: I don't care what topic it's about he is lighthearted.
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  Speaker 7: He is ripping out the dad jokes, he's ripping out
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  Speaker 7: the grandpa jokes, and I think good on him. He
• 12:11
  Speaker 7: can make light of a situation. But even remember when
• 12:13
  Speaker 7: he was going to take over Greenland, he was making
• 12:16
  Speaker 7: all these memes with him, like certifying his authority in Greenland.
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  Speaker 7: He's funny, and the White House puts out all these memes.
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  Speaker 7: I just I'm not offended by.
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  Speaker 2: CALLI I think, sorry to interrupt you, but you kind
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  Speaker 2: of in your introduction made the argument for why Trump. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: he was pointing out the stupid of Iran trying to
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  Speaker 2: claim authority over that body of water by saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: we'll call it the Strait of Trump, which is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 5: So to his the Iranian claim.
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  Speaker 4: I understand that.
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  Speaker 3: I suppose that the other thing is that the one
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  Speaker 3: thing that Iran has actually managed to do successfully through
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  Speaker 3: this war is control the strait of horror moves, and
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  Speaker 3: that has been a bad thing for the world. And
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  Speaker 3: so it just it seems to me a bit flippant
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  Speaker 3: to make jokes about, oh, the Strait of Trump, when
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: very clearly at the moment it ain't the straight of Trump.
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  Speaker 3: They might have succeeded in getting ten Pakistani boats through
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  Speaker 3: there last week, but that's about all they've succeeded in. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 3: Iran is moving more boats through the Strait of Hall
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  Speaker 3: Moves with its own gear towards China than it was
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  Speaker 3: before this war started. So yes, I understand the needling
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  Speaker 3: of Iran, but I'm not sure that it comes across
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  Speaker 3: well at a time when it's very much not the
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  Speaker 3: Strait of Trump and the efforts to try and get
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  Speaker 3: that straight back open again have not been working. It's
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: the one thing that Iran has succeeded.
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  Speaker 6: Yeh. But I guess if you don't laugh, you'll cry, right,
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  Speaker 6: and sometimes.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes cry is worth it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, But I just.
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  Speaker 7: Feel like in this situation, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 7: the Iranian he's making jokes about the Iranians in general.
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  Speaker 6: Let's be honest about the Gayaya toler.
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  Speaker 7: And I mean, come on, it is a bit of
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  Speaker 7: a comedy session, you know, when it is a serious issue.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand now why US allies don't get involved
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  Speaker 2: in helping Trump reclaim the straight for world oil transportation,
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  Speaker 2: because you can argue that, well, this is America's war
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  Speaker 2: with Iran, but now Iran have made it their war
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  Speaker 2: with the world, and I think allies the UK, Japan, Germany,
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: Australia should be involved in clearing that straight because we're
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: all in dire straits if it doesn't get done, so
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: it may well be Trump's war, but now it's ours
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: because we're relying on the field.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Look absolutely well. Look, Donald Trump's not only.
• 14:33
  Speaker 7: Upset the left and possibly Caleb, but by the sounds
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  Speaker 7: of it tonight.
• 14:37
  Speaker 6: Is also up she that up sheet. He's also upset
• 14:43
  Speaker 6: the Pope.
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  Speaker 7: Would you believe, Yes, the Pope is now targeting warmongerers,
• 14:48
  Speaker 7: claiming that they have blood on their hands, and he's
• 14:51
  Speaker 7: upset religious and non religious folk around the world. So
• 14:54
  Speaker 7: as you can imagine, guess who is talking to the
• 14:56
  Speaker 7: Trump administration, but particularly the Secretary.
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  Speaker 6: Of War Pete Hegsett.
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  Speaker 7: Now the Pope didn't name names, but he's gone and
• 15:03
  Speaker 7: given a palm Sunday Mass at the Vatican, and I'll
• 15:07
  Speaker 7: bring up what he said. He said this quote, This
• 15:10
  Speaker 7: is our God, Jesus, King of Peace, who rejects war,
• 15:13
  Speaker 7: whom no one can use to justify war. He does
• 15:16
  Speaker 7: not listen to the prayers of those who wage war.
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: But rejects them. Went on to say, even though you
• 15:22
  Speaker 7: make many prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are
• 15:26
  Speaker 7: full of blood. Now those comments come a couple of
• 15:29
  Speaker 7: days after Pete Hegseeth prayed for violence against enemies, saying
• 15:33
  Speaker 7: that they deserved no mercy.
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: This is what he said.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: So I'll close with scripture, drawing strength from Psalm one four.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Blessed be the Lord, my Rock, who trains my hands
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: for war and my fingers for battle. He is my
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: loving God, and my fortress, my stronghold, and my deliverer,
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: my shield in whom I take refuge.
• 16:00
  Speaker 7: A few points I'll make on this. Firstly, I am
• 16:02
  Speaker 7: not a person of faith. However, I think that Pope
• 16:04
  Speaker 7: Leo's comments were quite offensive because in my view, and
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: I'm sure that James can possibly expand on this a
• 16:09
  Speaker 7: lot better than I can from a Christian perspective, when
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: he says God doesn't listen but rejects them, well, I
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: believe that God listens to all prayers, so I don't
• 16:19
  Speaker 7: I completely reject that notion that he's not, because doesn't
• 16:23
  Speaker 7: that just go against what the Bible says? And using
• 16:25
  Speaker 7: Christianity to justify a point like that, I think is wrong. Secondly,
• 16:29
  Speaker 7: the Iotola, the now fallen of the now dead Ayatola
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: was actually praying for one death to Americans and two
• 16:35
  Speaker 7: death to Jews. And thirdly, where was the Pope on
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: the actual atrocities being carried out on Iran. I mean,
• 16:41
  Speaker 7: he's yet to make any comment that I've seen on
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: the thirty thousand citizens that were killed in that shoot
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: to kill policy, when they were protesting for their freedom
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: and they were murdered ruthlessly by this regime. I'm yet
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: to hear the Pope be other than really a sympathizer
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: for this Islamic regime. And you'll both remember the previous pope,
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: Pope Francis. He was obsessed with being woke, he was
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: obsessed with adding his two cents. He loved climate change,
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: the climate armageddon. I just wonder, is this another Pope
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: France's two point zero?
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the Pope is cherry picking a little bit
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: from the Bible. The passage he quotes is God talking
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: to Israel, where God tells Israel, even though you make
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: many prayers, I won't listen. You've got blood in your hands.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: He's talking to them about the fact they're doing a
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: whole lot of things that they ought not be doing.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: But in other parts of the Bible, God instructs Israel
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: on how to make war and where to go to war.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: So Babylon be made the points.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I think Babylon b must be run by Christians, or
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: certainly people who are very familiar with the Christian faith,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: because they made the point if God doesn't listen to
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: people making war, how come we listen.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: To David, to Moses, to Gideon, and on and on.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: It listed all of the people in the Bible who
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: God had helped to win wars. Solomon, the King of Israel, said,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: there's a time for peace and there's a time for war.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: The pope forgot that part, And I'll give you one
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: more Bible verse just so we help you out. Danika
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: the apostle Paul said that God gives the sword to
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: governments so that they can administer justice, they can restrain evil,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: and they can punish wrongdoers. So for the Pope to
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: say that there's no Christian argument for war at any
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: time or under any circumstances is only possible if you're
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: going to cherry pick certain verses and leave the others out.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: So I agree with you, the Pope is speaking from
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: his woke perspective, not from his role as head of
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the church, whose job is to expound scripture.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Well, when Francis was the Pope, I used to you know,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I've always been fond of saying someone says something with
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: an obvious answer, you know, is the popa Catholic? And
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I had to start changing that to just the pope
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: we're a funny little hat because it became quite evident
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: that perhaps the Pope was not Catholic. And I thought,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: after this fella came along, I could go back to
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: saying is the popa Catholic?
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: I may have to give up and.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Go back to saying the funny little hat line again
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: because and again I I don't deign to suggest that
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: I understand the Bible backwards and forwards.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: But I would say that, surely is the pope?
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: You can say, I fundamentally believe that there should be
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: peaceful world, and we're all on board with that. We
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: don't want to go around killing people unnecessarily and waging
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: war unnecessarily. But when there is a war or a
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: fight going on against a totalitarian Islamist country that would
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: seek and its stated aim is to have a world caliphate, ie,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: to impose.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Islam on the rest of the world.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: One would have thought that a Christian God, and then
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: by extension, his men on earth who are meant to
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: be telling us his word, would understand that it would
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: be rather deleterious to their religion if you were to
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: allow that to happen, and therefore it is a good
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: thing for the world to try to do something about
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: such a regime. I don't know, maybe I've got it wrong,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: but I would thought that was a pretty straightforward point
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: of view.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: You make a really great point because one of the
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: other things that Pete meig Seth got criticized for was
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: he talked about the fact that they are fighting Iran,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: who themselves are fighting a religious war where they are
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: seeking a religious armageddon because part of their religion is that,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: as I understand it, the twelfth Imam will not return
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: until Israel is wiped from the map. That's not a
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: political point of view for the Iranian regime. That's their
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: religious conviction, which is why when Anthony Albanezi says we
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: need to sit down and negotiate, you can't negotiate with
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: religious fanatics, because if you could negotiate with them. Frankly,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: their religion wouldn't be worth much. It's their whole world view.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: You can't talk them out of it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: And yet Pete HeiG Seth got criticized for pointing out
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: their Islamist worldview, but no one said a word about
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: the eye tollers in Iran. The pope hasn't really criticized that.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: But the moment a Christian nation starts invoking God with
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: a pope is beside him.
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: And when you think realistically, these wars are all started
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: on religion. When you think it's all about their own
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: religious ideology or what they believe or a sect of
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: their ideology which leads them onto a radical.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: Path, they're all started by religion. And that is a problem.
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: And actually that's something that we.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Well atheist, let's be clear, atheist Russia has not started
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: wars based on religion.
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: Well no, no, but I'm talking I'm talking about in
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: the Middle East. I'm talking about you know, if we
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: look at a Raq, you know, we're looking at a Rahm,
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: We're looking at Hamas. It's all the religious conflict, correct, exactly, Yeah,
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: all right.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: The big news of course in Australia today was police
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: caught and killed cop killer Desi Freeman, and a lot
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: of people are very happy about that.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: And why wouldn't you be?
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: The guy was a maniac who took innocent lives. But
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I want to draw your attention to a comment on
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Facebook by Desi Freeman's son. He posted on Facebook, I'm
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: not here to defend my father's actions because I know.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: What he did was wrong.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Just bear in mind that to use my father was
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: a cop killer, but to me, that's still my father
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: who raised me to be the man I am today.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: This is news that I'll be grieving about while some
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: of you disgusting humans celebrate online for me to watch.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: So I guess the question must be asked, are you
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: a disgusting human being if you celebrate the death of
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Desi Freeman. My simple comment to this, Caleb would be,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Desi Freeman's son is angry at the wrong people. Rather
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: than being angry at the Australian public for being glad
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: that his dad is dead, he should rightly point his
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: anger and he's right to be angry at his dad
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: for the things that his dad did. And if the
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: family are embarrassed, the family are embarrassed, not because of
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the joy. Australians feel that Desi Freeman is no longer
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: around to kill people. The family's been embarrassed by the dad.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: That's where his anger should be directed.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Correct, I mean your father was not is anymore a
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: stain on humanity, a piece of garbage, and a man
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: who rather than facing up to the law as all
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: of us should. If we ever come to that day
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: and the police had gone there to deal with a
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: complaint that they had allegedly in relation to historic sex offenses, right,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: any of us in that circumstance would deal with the
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: problem in front of us and use what is available
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: to us under the justice system, which is that you
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: are innocent until proven guilty, that you are entitled.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: To a trial by jury. You can go through all
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: of that process.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: It may well be that there's not enough evidence and
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: charges get dropped. It's the same for everybody in this country.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: You don't because of whatever warped belief you have about
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: the sovereignty of this nation and the applicability of the
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: laws to you, and all this crap that these solve
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: sit peace.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: People go on a sovereign citizens go on about that.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: That does not then give you the right to turn
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: around and murder someone, and it does not give the
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: son of that man.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: And as you say, I understand his anger.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: But it's not everyone else's fault that your father was
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: a piece of crap. And I'm sorry that you no
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: longer have a father, but I'm not sorry that he's dead,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: and I'm not sorry that he's dead in light.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Of what he did.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: It's sad that there is someone who doesn't have a dad,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: but he doesn't mean that I can't feel happy that
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: his dad is dead.
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: I think you're absolutely spot on. I don't care if
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: you think your father was a good bloke. I don't
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: think he's a good bloke, and I would say the
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: majority of Australians of same mind would think the exact
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: same thing. I mean, this is a man who murdered
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: two police officers in cold blood. Secondly, he's been on
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: the run for seven months now and terrorizing the local area.
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: They feared for their lives because he was armed and dangerous.
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: And third, as you mentioned, Caleb, he was wanted on
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: historical child sexual abuse claims. I mean he was wanted
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: by the child abuse squad. That is why they went
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: to his house in the first place. So We're not
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: talking about a great bloke here, We're not talking about
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: the soul of the earth, a genuine good guy.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: So goodbye and good riddance.
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: And the other point I would make is he thought
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: he was a sovereign citizen. He thought he was above everybody,
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: above the law, above any police activity in this country.
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: No you're not.
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: He is the scum of the earth. And sorry, again,
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: I don't have any sympathy for this bloke. So I
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: don't care if you think your dad was a great
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: bloke and we're all celebrating, I couldn't care less.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: We couldn't give a.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Rats quick question, do you begrudge the family for grieving
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: the death of Desi Freeman? The son does say of
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: what my dad did was wrong? Do you begrudge them
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: for grieving?
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: There?
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: Of course they're allowed to grieve their loved ones.
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: Just at the same time I'm also allowed to say
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: he was a scum of the earth. And that's just
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: my opinion on it, and goodbye and good riddance. That
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: is not what we do as Australians.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: And you know, those who are grieving or to be
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: able to stand the nuance for themselves and the fact
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: that that nuance does not exist for the rest of us.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he might have been your dad, but he
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: was now dad, and he went and killed innocent people
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: for that.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Well, you get what you deserve.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: While we're talking about violence, Would you believe? Actually, I
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: shouldn't say would you believe, because you probably will given
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: the state of the world at the moment.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: According to a.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: New report, violence against teachers and principles in particular in
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Australian schools Catholic and independent schools and government schools since
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: twenty eleven has gone up by one hundred and fifty percent.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: This is by a new report that has been put
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: together and was in the news Court papers today. They've
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: looked at the numbers across all the states. They've looked
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: at what is happening to principles in particular. They are
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: frightened not only to do their jobs, they're frightened to
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: leave their officers during pick up and drop off times
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: because of the danger of some parents. Now there's even
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: the suggestion that they are frightened for their lives. To
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: quote the story from the newscot papers today. So the
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: principles are being punched, kicked, pinned against walls, followed home,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: stalked by cars with headlights off, pelted with rocks, having chairs, tables,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: and bookshelves thrown at them. They've been threatened with death
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: and rape and forced to hide in locked rooms. These
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: are people trying to run schools to educate children, and
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: this is how they are being treated by some of
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: the children and by some of the parents.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: So I'll run you through some of the numbers.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Eighty two eighty seven, sorry, zero point two percent of
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Principles have been exposed to offensive behavior.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Almost all of them. Threats and violence.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Seventy six percent of cases of violence involved a student,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: And when it comes to actual violence being perpetrated those cases,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: ninety six percent of them involves students. But then, get this,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: when the parents come into it, threats to principles, sixty
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: six percent of threats to principles involve a parent. So
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: a lot of these are involving, obviously kids and parents.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: And physical violence ninety percent of cases of physical violence
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: against Principles, nearly one in five involves a parent. Now,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: it's one thing for students to be going off there
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: nut at school, what the hell are the parents doing
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: getting involved in this as well? Sixty six percent of
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: threats to a principle involve a parent. What sort of
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: example are you setting for your children? And the man
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: who wrote this report, Professor Phil Riley, said that the
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: numbers would suggest that eventually someone is going to die.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: The incidents of violence are creeping up, but also the
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: intensity is as well.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: What the hell I mean?
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I was reading this, I thought this is just extraordinary.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: You expect to hear cases of students being unruly with
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: their teachers and their principles, and maybe some of them
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: threaten violence and even commit violence.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: But when you're talking.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: About the majority of threats to principles involve a parent
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: and one in five cases of physical violence against a
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: principle involves a parent, we have serious problems.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: We have massive, massive issues.
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: And I also think a lot of these kids clearly
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: have serious issues. I mean, if and the other thing
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: is is parents behind sixty six percent of them, I mean,
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: you'd have to be absolute nutjobs. And in that instance,
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: I do feel sorry for the kids because they're growing
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: up with these people as role models and they're going
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: to just repeat the exact same cycle. Now, my question
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: would be if ninety six percent of students were behind
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: this physical behavior last year.
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: Where are the consequences?
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: Was this a case of they've gone to school, but
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: we're not going to expel them because we're another PC college,
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: a PC school where No, we'll just give a bit
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: of rehabilitation. It's about making sure that they can learn.
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: They have the right to an education. Please, If these
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: kids are committing physical acts, I mean we're talking kicked,
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: pinned against the wall, followed home, stalked by cars, then
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: they should be expelled from the school. Now if they
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: are actually threatening, if they're making threats and they're actually
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: conducting this physical violence, then they.
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: Should be charged.
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: That they should be charged and face the full force
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: of the law because they need to learn their lessons.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: That was my query about this.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: How many of those parents who have acted violently towards
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: a principle have been up on assault charges. And if
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: you make a threat against a school staff member, whether
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: you're a child or a parent, that child should automatically
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: be expelled from the school. Zero tolerance. That's the only
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: way you solve this problem. But anyone who's got kids,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: whether involved in school or particularly sport, would know this
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: is a problem everywhere. When Joe and Ben were selected
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: to play for Townsville in basketball.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: All the parents were sat.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Down and read the Riot Act, and I, naively we
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: was sitting there thinking, who do they think we are? Like,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: they were really laying down the law that we had
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: to behave. But it wasn't that long into the season
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: that I realized why they needed to do that, because
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: some parents got pretty upset when their kid didn't get
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: enough court time.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: That's sport. I can't imagine what school is like.
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, extraordinary, isn't it.
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: Well let's move on now because Moi redeeming has been
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: vindicated for a second time and let down by the
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: Liberal Party yet again for a second time.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: So now is it time to defect? Now?
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: You'll know by now that the Liberal Party over the
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: weekend she lost a pre selection there and the party
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: chose to go with a man by the name of
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: Denesh Guruti. Seti good to SETI now. He has since
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: withdrawn after it emerged that he previously provided character references
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: to a man facing child sex offense charges.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: You can't make this stuff up. Seriously, let me just
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: read this to you.
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: He provided the character reference for a friend Kai shap Patel,
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: who pleaded guilty to child grooming, transmitting in decent communication
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: to a person under sixteen years one charge of sexual
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: assault of a child whom he met online. He encouraged
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: a fifteen year old victim to become a sex worker,
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: offered to buy her cigarettes and said he would he
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: wanted to perform vile sexual acts in front of her.
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: And this lives back to bloke who backed this bloke.
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: I mean, seriously, this is where we're at. So why
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: wasn't Moiradeeming chosen? Why wasn't Moira Redeeming selected here? Why
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: is it because she is a strong conservative woman? Is
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: it because she knows the difference between a man and
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: a woman. They've done this to her before with the
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: John pursuito saga. Fast forward a couple of years, they're
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: doing this to her again. So where does it leave
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: Moi Redeeming? Well, it clears the way for her to
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: retain that number one spot on the ticket that she
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: could run again as a Liberal at the next Victorian
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: election later this year, unless she chooses to run for
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: another party or as an independent.
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: Now, I think, why would you bother hanging around with
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: a Liberal party?
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: The Liberal Party have treated her so poorly and this
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: woman is such a good politician, such a sharp mind.
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: Why the heck would she want to stay there? One
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: nation in the past have already offered her a leaf.
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: I reckon that she should go.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: For it, She'll point out. Denes.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Gurossetti says he didn't realize the extent of the criminal
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: charges his friend was facing when he wrote that reference.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: But I agree with you, Denika. Why would MOI redeeming
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: hang around that? The question I want to know is
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: did the Liberal Party officials know that Denesh had provided
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: this reference. If they didn't know, then their vetting process
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: is terrible. In fact, they make one nation look quite
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: good if they did know. But they allowed him to
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: proceed anyway, only to then pull this card out after
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: he had won, hoping that that would maybe this more redeeming.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Often she would depart the Liberal Party anyways. That what
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: this is all about. There's a number of questions as
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: to how the Liberal Party have found themselves in this predicament,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: whether by chance or whether this is some elaborate plot
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: to try and get rid of more redeeming once and
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: for all.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: I think there is something that counts against that theory.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: You know, they say, if it's between conspiracy and cock up.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Nine times out of ten, it's going to be cocked.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Now you've got the Victorian Liberal Party, which I should
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: not It wasn't the party itself, but of course it
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: was the stupidity of its former leader that led to
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: the going after more redeeming, which then meant that the leader,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: John Pursudo was done for defamation. There was a problem
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: that didn't need to exist in the first place. They've
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: then gone to try to run a coup against Deeming.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: It's lasted one day and it's come undone. That is
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: not the work of great masterminds. That's the work of
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: absolute imbeciles.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: In the Victorian Liberal Party.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what, I'm actually glad she lost
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: that preselection because I think it'll help blow the Liberal
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Party in Victoria up and they needed to have that reckoning.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: If that didn't happen, it would have papered over problems
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: that still exist.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: And this was about the closest they could get to.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Actually confronting the problems that the Victorian Liberal Party has.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: Then all right, we're going to go to a break.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: including Andrew hasty in trouble with his leader after he
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: went freelancing on the ABC regarding tax policy. That's next,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: all right, let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow. Caleb,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: you've got the Herald's son.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: There indeed, and of course it is talking about Dezzy Freeman.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: It says evil dead Andrew rule ruler rights that Bates
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: and Lewis police used to hunt down Dezzy no surrender
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: shock act in fatal shootout.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Fugitive Secret Bush.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Hideout revealed the inside story of how cowardly cop killer
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: lived and died like a rat on the run got
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: him is the headline which leads into the front of
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: The Australian tomorrow, where it talks about those final days.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: It's his fugitives final days in a filthy hard out
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: deep in the bush. He lived in a ramshackle old
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: bus turned into a home and died holed up in
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: a converted shipping container in the bush. Dessy Freeman's final
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: days played out in near identical squalor to filthy makeshift
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: hard out one hundred and eighty kilometers apart the Tholongong
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: property where the cop killing self styled sovereign citizen was
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: shot dead was a chaotic mess, much like the laugh
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: he had been living during seven months on the run
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: from the law. Three shipping containers sit at the center
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: of the isolated block beneath the rolling hills, partially shielded
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: by loose, sagging awnings, and the thinking until very recently,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: certainly publicly anyway, was that he was dead. Now that
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: the cops very clearly did not give up on this case,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: and it is now obvious that they were right to
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: do so, even though a lot of people thought there's
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: no way after seven months that he would either be
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: in the country or alive.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: You know, he was either dead and eaten by.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Dogs and stuff that was being suggested, or had somehow
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: managed to flee the country. He was alive and hiding
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: this whole time. Now, you'd have to say, on the
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: face of it, that's a bloody extraordinary effort to manage
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: to hide yourself away for seven months and not be
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: detected by the cops after you've shot them.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: Because that's a sure way to have the coppers on
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: your bum.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: He managed to hide away for seven months, but he
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: couldn't keep them away forever.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And you say that an extraordinary effort to have been
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: able to hide for that long, which means this case
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: is not quite over yet. As the headline on the
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: front page of Tomorrow's Australian suggests, police will now turn
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: their attention to who assisted him to evade capture for
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: this long.
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: Yes, so whether that was a possible ability.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: But I was also reading earlier the son that we
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: spoke about before. He gave a quote where he said
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: that his father was like Rambo and that his father
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: knew how to go ages without even eating.
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: I don't know if that's some sort of survival.
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: Skill that he has learned, but apparently he could just
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: live off minimal food and.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Knew that land like the back of his hand. Well,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: you know, well, whether he was preparing for this moment.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: I think he was probably preparing for, you know, I
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: don't know, some sort of global armageddon or something, but
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: if anyone.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: Was going to know how to do it, it was him.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: But his time did come now.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: The story on the front of the Oars Tomorrow Taylor
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: to counsel Hasty. Angus Taylor will formally counsel front bencher
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty after he called for the Liberal Party to
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: be open minded on new taxes, including clamping down negative
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: gearing and the capital gains text discount. The Australian understands
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: mister Hasty will receive a quote gentle remind how.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: Gentle is it if it's on the front page.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I know, I know, a quote reminder of the shadow
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: cabinet process. After he freelanced on policy during a television
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: interview with the ABC in which he said he was
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: open to a windfall profits tax on gas, I should
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: say experts he also would not rule out supporting changes
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: to negative gearing and the CGT that's capital gains text
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: discount in a new era where the world order had collapsed.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Mister Hasty on Monday City had not been counseled nor
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: heard from the opposition leader's office. And you know you
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: would have seen John O'donnham talking to Shower earlier this
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: evening about this.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: You know the ins and outs of what counseling means,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: whether it's.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: A friendly tap on the shoulder or you get called
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: in and read the Ride Act.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Who knows.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: There probably is a point though, in when you're on
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: the front bench and you're part of the cabinet process,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: you do kind of have to all be singing from
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: the same hymn sheet. And perhaps this will become a
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: problem for Hasty because clearly at some point he would
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: like to make a play for leadership. Right now is
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: obviously not that time, but in order to build himself
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: up and create a different brand, perhaps a bit like
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: when Barnaby Joyce went off to the back benches after
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: his leadership ended, and Matt Canavan of course spent a
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: long time on the back bench building himself up to
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: the possibility of becoming leader of the Nationals. You have
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: more freedom on the back bench and maybe he wants
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: that freedom.
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: Well, it's not the first time he's gone off and
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: freelanced and made his own segue and made his own comments.
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: But I think on this situation, probably not the best
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: idea to be talking about taxes.
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: Is it.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: It's a little prematureist, and I mean, Angus Taylor only
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: got the top job a few months ago. Greg agreed
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: that Hasty is a future leadership contender, but maybe keep
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: your powder drive for a little while from it.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree.
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: Let's take a look at tomorrow's Northern Territory News. The
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: headline there is excise in fuel tility FEDS cut fuel tax,
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: but will retailers pass it on The Automobile Association of
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: the Northern Territory says it will monitor whether the petrol
• 41:09
  Speaker 7: stations pass on savings to territory customers after the federal
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: government unveiled plans to slash the fuel excise on petrol
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: and diesel by twenty six point three cents per later. Well, first,
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: I mean, thank god the Labor Party finally acted after
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: weeks of dithering on this.
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: But that's a good point, though.
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: Will retailers actually pass on the cuts? I think morally
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: they should have to. They absolutely should have to. It's
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: almost like a directive has come. And if they aren't
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: going to pass on the fuel cuts, well you would
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: just bypass their service station.
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: And go down the road and pick the next one,
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: wouldn't you.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: We haven't needed to fill our car up with fuel
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: for a while. I filled it up the other day.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: I could not.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: Believe how fast it all assign. It was ticking over.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: It was unbelievable.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: Don't know.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: But of course they should pass it on them. And
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: that's the point of the text cut, right. If it
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: doesn't flow thro flow through at the bowser, they should
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: be off to the agrip.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: We'll see you.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Media's doing something about it, because that is that is
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: not on. That is just pure profiteering if it doesn't
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: get pasted all right.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: The front page of Tomorrow's Tasmania mercury fuel charge to
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: hit Spirit passengers New Spirit of Tasmania passenger bookings from today,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: that is Tuesday will be slogged with a fifteen percent
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: surcharge to cover the price of increasing fuel costs, despite
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: the federal government announcing they would slash the fuel excise
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: in half to see pressure eased at the bowser. This
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: does not include marine diesel. The surcharge means a couple
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: in a porthole cabin with one car and caravan totaling
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: three meters would see their thirteen three meter caravan.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: That's a pretty small carriage.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I continue thirteen meter care and would see their
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: fair jump and added two hundred and twenty eight dollars.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: As someone wrote in the comment section, can't afford to
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: live in Tasmania, can't afford to leave?
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: No, But but should a public transport be free?
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: Remember in Tasmania, weren't we just discussing that little bit
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: earlier on.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: This is a private company, it's not public transport.
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: Together out of I'm still I'm being facetious, but again
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: it shows what all of this means.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: And this is just an example of you'll be made
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: to pay more for your fear if you want to
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: get on the ferry.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: But I'm wondering how long.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: It'll take before Uber starts factoring this into the affairs.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: We've seen taxi councils calling for a change in their
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: fair structures because of course their overheads.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: Are going up.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: You know, putting a truck on the road now costs
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: a hell of a lot more, and that's transporting all
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: the goods that you buy in the supermarket as in Aside.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: I said, I was in Melbourne over the weekend.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Someone told me I was at an event. Someone told
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: me that someone else who was there had driven from
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Adelaide to Melbourne. It was going to cost him a
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars in diesel to get home.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: Wow, a thousand dollars. That is insane. I mean it
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: would be cheap at a fly. It's just ridiculous.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: So you can't tell me that those costs are not
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: going to be passed on to us the consumer somewhere
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: at some point.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: What's interesting is whether the take the ferry example, whether
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: those charges will come back down again when the fuel
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: crisis it's over, or whether somehow it will just all
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: be forgotten and there it'll be. Eric Abetts is on
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: the front page of tomorrow's Mercury as well taxpayers foot
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: bill for Treasurer's office referb Eric's three hundred and fifty
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars spruce. He is referbing his office documents laying
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: bare an explosion in refurbishment and fit out costs for
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: the MP's facility since the House of Assembly was expanded
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: two years ago. What's funny is I found an article
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: from November last year where Eric Abetts was putting together
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Tasmania's budget and it said that he was looking to
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: slash the cost of government office upgrades.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Well that was November last year, so.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: That's a lot of money. What sort of a refurbishment
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: is this. It must be on a grand scale.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Nothing more the Greens meeting room in the Federal We're
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: going to go to a break when we come back.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: A New South Wales man caught stealing petrol from a truck.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Wait until you hear what police did when they caught him.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: That's next. Well, welcome back to the program, Danikan.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Nigel Farage loves football, but does football love Nigel faras well?
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: It's a wonderful question. Yes.
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: The wet rag of a chairman of UK football club
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: Ipswich Town.
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: Has issued a groveling apology.
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: To fans after would you believe Nigel Farage visited the
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: stadium the local championship area there he went on a
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: tour of the stadium because he's actually a fan, and
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: he also went into the dressing rooms where he tried
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: on a T shirt saying Farage number ten held it up. Oh,
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: but for goodness sake, fans of the football club, they're
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: up in arms, they say, how could you possibly have
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: hosted Nigel Farage there?
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: Why? Because of course he's a racist?
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: If you ask the left, their favorite their favorite saying
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: and here was the chairman have to listen to this.
• 46:07
  Speaker 9: But this has been a very difficult week for all
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: of us. The staff are hurting, elements of the fan
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: base are hurting, and so are elements of our local community.
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: And that upsets me immensely and for that, unreservedly I
• 46:23
  Speaker 9: want to apologize and say I'm sorry.
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: God, who the heck bent you over for that one.
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: I mean, seriously, what an absolute wet rag of a chairman.
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: I mean, Nigel Farage was there for the local elections.
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: He was touring the facilities as you do when you're
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: a politician. You go to these local areas, you take photos,
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: you end up in the paper.
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: That's what you do for publicity.
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: And apparently some left wing fans got upsets so the
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: chairman thought, oh, better grovel.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: It's all of that because he put on the jersey and.
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: We're on a stadium.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: To us, you'd say he's the chairman. I think there's
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: a specific kind of chair that he's.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: He's chair, is what he.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, what are they going to do when
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: he becomes prime minister?
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: I know they're Joint's going to melt down, isn't it?
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: And g won't it be delicious to watch? Now we've
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: been talking about the fuel crisis. Of course tonight we
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: talked was it last week there was the story about
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: all these people for the first time were stealing fuel,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: to the point where the police in South Australia are
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: now saying they just can't deal with all the complaints
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: and you've got to do something about it.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Yourself to the servos.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Well, how about this chap who thirty could knock off
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: fifteen hundred bucks worth of fuel by siphoning it out
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: of a park track, except he came a cropper.
• 47:38
  Speaker 10: We have spoken to the owner of this truck here
• 47:41
  Speaker 10: tonight who says it was around fifteen hundred dollars worth
• 47:45
  Speaker 10: of fuel that was allegedly stolen, but the Catches police
• 47:49
  Speaker 10: made him siphon it back in before he drove off.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: How good is that on the act.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: I've got all this free, phil and I sorry mate
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: to put it all back.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: That would have left a bad taste in his mouth. I imagine,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: all right, mayhem in a US court after a civil
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: rights lawyer was arrested in court for contempt. Now the lawyer,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I must point out, Rob Hopkins, is a woman who
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: identifies as a man.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: Have a look, you.
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: Interrupt me one more time?
• 48:20
  Speaker 11: You are being held in indirect contempt of court.
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: Answer like that smirk.
• 48:25
  Speaker 11: I don't have a s oh yes, maybe because I'm
• 48:29
  Speaker 11: trenched into attorney practicing all over this state. I don't
• 48:31
  Speaker 11: know what you do, ma'am. It's not that you do.
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: All right, we're gonna pick you up. I don't.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: So he was a man until he was handcuffed, and
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: then he wanted a female.
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: I made seriously the left. The left.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I like the fact he screamed fifty times can't breathe,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I can't breathe, which would rather be proof that you
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: can breathe.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: You can breathe, and also maybe you've got other problems.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: It's not that you're transgender.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Indeed, that's it from us. Stick around, coming up to
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: read a Penehy show good Night,