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Creative Expression, Leadership, and Emotional Growth with Laura Cardwell and Megan O'Malley · Authentic Living

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  Welcome to Authentic Living with Roxanne, a place where we have conscious conversations
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  about things that really matter in our lives.
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  And now here's your host, Roxanne Durhaj.
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  Hi everyone, it's Roxanne Durhoch.
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  Thanks for tuning in again this week to Authentic Living with Roxanne.
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  I even mumbled that up.
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  Today I have two special guests and they play in a similar arena to myself.
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  So I know we're gonna have a great time talking.
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  Today it's Laura Cardwell and Megan O'Malley.
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  So ladies welcome.
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  Thank you.
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  Thank you for having Yeah.
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  So let me tell you a little bit about them and we'll just dive into it.
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  They so they the big news is that they have a fantastic book coming out in October, and
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  that's we're gonna talk a lot about that.
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  But tell you a little bit about them, and all the information about them will be in the show
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  notes.
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  Laura is an intuitive business school author, speaker, and expert in blending science and
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  soul of human potential.
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  So you can see the whole gamut.
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  Own your company together and the name of your company is, and that's what I'm gonna miss,
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  what's the name of the company?
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  Embody Leadership by Design.
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  Embodied Leadership by Design.
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  So that's a company that they both own together and Megan is also an intuitive coach, author,
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  speaker, former psychotherapist like myself who helps purpose driven humans ditch burnout and
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  live lives of full meaning, magic, and alignment.
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  What I think everybody is looking for ultimately.
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  So let's start at the beginning.
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  How did you two meet?
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  Go for it, Laura.
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  This is always a fun story for us.
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  We actually both dance hip hop.
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  And so we were in the same hip hop class for a long time, years.
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  And we kind of danced next to each other for a really long time.
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  And then one day, I happened to mention something about neuroscience or some kind of
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  brainy nerdy something because that's the realm that I tend to play in.
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  And Megan's old ears picked up and she turned around and she was like, wait, what?
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  What did you just say?
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  And so then we decided to go get tea and just started talking and talking and talking and we
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  haven't stopped since.
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  What do you want to Having fun dancing hip hop and you're like here, oh, neuroscience or
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  something like that.
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  So you start talking that way.
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  Do you recall that day when you?
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  Oh yeah, and it's I think hindsight puts some puzzle pieces together a lot of times for us
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  and now all this work we've done over the years and this growth and learning, I see now that we
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  were in our most joyful, resonant, authentic state, which is why we interacted in the way we
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  did and found each other.
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  That's part of what we believe in our work is when we're really being ourselves, we become
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  magnetic for really cool possibilities and potentials.
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  So movement and play, clearly and what attracted you to hip hop?
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  Totally being outside your comfort zone and hip hop is fun, right?
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  I think I grew up kind of wishing I could have been a hip hop dancer.
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  I used to joke that if I could have been anything in the world, I would have been a
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  backup dancer to Janet Jackson.
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  Yeah.
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  A couple of steps to learn to maybe audition.
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  Yeah.
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  Exactly.
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  And what about you, Megan?
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  What attracted you?
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  I have always loved to dance and I am a I look very much like someone who would do a lot of
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  yoga, right?
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  Like I just look like that kind of white woman.
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  Seen her, she's very light, she looks you look like you're a bit of red, your strawberry.
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  I mean red is my tan, I've got Irish blood.
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  Okay Irish, so she's trying to, for those who aren't gonna
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  see the video and they're gonna
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  hear us, she's trying to determine what
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  she looks like.
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  I grew up around a ton of diversity.
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  I went to a middle school that had the largest ESL population in the district and I went to a
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  historically Black high school.
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  And so I grew up around hip hop and I feel it and I love it.
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  So going to that dance studio wasn't so much out of my comfort zone.
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  It felt like me being able to really lean into an aspect of myself that I didn't get to
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  nurture in my kind of day to day as a therapist who wore appropriate scarves and talked about
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  feelings.
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  It was this really lovely thing.
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  And I've also just anywhere I've lived, I've tried to new dance.
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  Afro Caribbean, Sevillanos in Spain, like I just read
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  that actually that you say Caribbean.
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  So I grew up in Trinidad De Vigo.
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  Oh
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  my And moved to Canada when I was 16 to go to university.
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  So it my culture, mostly, obviously, is a blend in The Caribbean in Trinidad, but it's mostly
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  African carnival.
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  And I played a steel pan when I was a child, came to Canada on a tour, those types of
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  things.
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  So a lot of people when they I say I'm I'm from Trinidad, they go, really?
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  What's because they often think that I would be African because it's a 51, 49 kind of split
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  between the population and the rest.
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  And then they start to talk.
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  I said, well, yeah.
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  That's my thing, which is all about words and obviously adversity, which of something really
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  phenomenal that came out of it.
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  And if you think about hip hop, same kind of idea where words have so much meaning and then
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  movement.
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  And then, of course, you have carnival, which is came from the abolition of slavery, which is
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  one of the most fantastic things that you can ever get from adversity.
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  It's amazing that you're saying, like, some of the history that drew you in.
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  And, of course, the somatic.
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  If we think about it, as as all of us that we can talk about this so openly, the somatic and
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  watch when you get into your body what you can experience.
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  And you said, Megan, I'm in there and I'm feeling it and I'm in the moment and then I we
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  start I hear the word that we have something in common and then there's no kind of partition,
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  but you can just kinda start to connect.
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  So let's jump right into the book because now first of all, first book?
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  It is.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  What's that feeling like?
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  I mean, I've written two.
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  And I remember the first one, it was like it was like I have one child and one son.
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  It was like my baby came along.
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  Right?
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  So what was it like for you kind of knowing this thing's done?
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  It's out there.
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  It's gonna be out there soon.
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  Yeah, I think for me, I grew up writing.
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  It's been a lifetime dream.
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  Have a creative writing degree is one of my degrees.
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  It's my first degree is in creative writing.
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  And so it's a lifetime, it's a lifetime moment for me of wanting to get here.
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  And of course getting to do it in collaboration and getting it into the world but I have to say
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  when it went from the editing to interior which is something that happens when they start to
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  lay out the book but you're done editing it right that moment that you know you're not
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  going to change anything else it's everything else is about the look of the book it was a big
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  sacred ritual moment of this is a culmination of a lifetime dream like it's a really big
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  deal.
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  It is it's amazing it's that and then when you get the first box
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  gotta I can't wait.
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  I wanna hold it.
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  Yeah.
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  Both of you need to be together and just open that because the elation that you're gonna go
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  through, it's hard.
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  I'm sure it's gonna be different for every person, but I remember that first.
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  Oh, it's really here kind of thing.
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  I wanted to run around the neighborhood, but I don't think people would have probably let me
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  in to tell them all about it.
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  Meaghan, what about for you?
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  What's this experience been like?
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  Yeah, talk about magic and it's been pretty magical.
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  Laura and I were in Colorado presenting and we got offered a publishing deal doing what we
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  love.
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  And I think for me, that moment was the thing that I orient to as far as what feels so
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  special.
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  Writing it felt weirdly effortless.
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  It was the most joyful creating I've done, I think.
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  The editing was fine.
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  Everything has had this ease about it, which lets me know that there's deep purpose in it.
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  It's not something we're trying to force.
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  It's something we're allowing to come through us.
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  And that that feels, feels really good and I think it won't be fully real until I hold that
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  sweet little book in my hands and see that it's real and hear people talk about their
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  experience with it.
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  Absolutely, that's such a gratifying thing, right?
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  I always said when I wrote my first book, I thought if one person read it and they applied
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  one little thing from it, I think I've achieved my goal.
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  Then you'll see how many people's lives it will actually touch, continue to do your work.
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  So let's dive into the book.
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  Either one of you, or collaboratively.
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  Tell me what are the main concepts of leadership that you're sharing with the world
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  in the book?
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  Laura, why don't you take that one and then I'll do my little structural thing that I do.
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  Megan and I work really well in this way.
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  It's like, I like to just give information and then Megan tells about the experience
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  that stacks up on top of whatever
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  you Perfect, perfect partnership.
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  I know we have a really great collaboration.
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  So the book itself is really meant to serve anyone who is feeling like they're stuck in a
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  place in their life where they feel like things have kind of lost their sparkle, or they just
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  can't seem to get where they wanted to go.
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  And we found through years and years of working with our clients and coaching people that most
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  of the time that comes that moment in our life where we feel really stuck or burnt out.
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  The book really centers on healing burnout.
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  It's through finding our alignment, finding our purpose, finding our inner leader, right?
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  So this book, the leadership message is that we are all leaders in many aspects of our lives
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  and leadership comes from a deep alignment with who we're here to be, why we're here to be that
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  and then what we do from there.
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  And so the book lays out, it starts off kind of laying out how as a culture we got to burnout
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  being kind of the gold standard.
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  Why is everybody feeling this kind of sense of loss, the sense of numbness, the sense of
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  disconnection from what they really feel something in there pulling them forward.
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  And then we use human design as one of our tools.
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  Human design is a huge thing to explain, but ultimately it's an archetypal tool that helps
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  us figure out our personal alignment in the world, who we're here to be.
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  So we use some of the beginning concepts of that to help people get back into their, how
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  they're meant to be in alignment.
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  Then we walk them through a framework that helps them.
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  We call it kind of the seven pillars of creating that purpose driven life.
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  And so looking at concepts like being curious and being playful and being open.
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  Then the last part of the book is literally our integrative somatic experience tool that we
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  have developed over the years between the two of us and the way we work with our clients.
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  That is there for them from just taking a deep breath all the way to deconditioning some of
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  the story they might have been told about who they're supposed to be.
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  So that's a general arc of the book and then I'll let Megan kinda what Megan does with it.
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  Sounds fascinating.
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  That sounds fascinating.
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  So Megan,
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  your turn.
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  Yeah.
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  I think that what I would add, because Laura really gave a a good overview, is that this
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  book emerged from us having to go to different areas to piece together our process.
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  We would go over here and learn about human design.
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  We both have training in applied neuroscience and somatics, so we like the science.
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  We're both unapologetic mystics in certain ways.
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  We both have activism at our foundation.
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  We want to make the world more humanized, more caring, more kind, more compassionate.
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  And then there was always this part of the journey that we would see for others and
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  witness for ourselves where we would get the insight, but then how do we get it through all
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  of those unconscious layers of self that don't come up in a therapy session necessarily.
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  And so we wanted to give every reader the full bridge in one place so that they weren't having
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  to do all that extra efforting of figuring out how those pieces fit because a lot of people
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  will turn away.
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  They'll just say it's too hard, it's too overwhelming.
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  Learning human design often is overwhelming.
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  You have to learn the whole system to understand your design.
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  So we want to make all of these big concepts digestible to everyday people, and that's where
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  I just light up, is I wanna Lara has a way of holding all of these complex science y
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  concepts, and then she gets them to me and I'm like, okay, do I put it in bite sized meals
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  that are really yummy for people so that they can weave it into their lives?
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  And that's our goal.
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  We want to really help people decondition and restore their lives on every level, mental,
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  emotional, physical, and that energetic unconscious somatic level.
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  Absolutely.
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  And you know what the thing is, like you said, little bites, right?
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  That's the thing.
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  A lot of people know, maybe they're misaligned.
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  May maybe they're thinking, I know I'd like to ask for that promotion, but I'm not sure
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  because I don't I think I have the aptitude, but the tactical skills they have, but they're
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  not they don't have the skills to know how to have the conversation.
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  Or maybe they step up but they get overwhelmed and then they sound a little bit off putting to
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  whoever could give them that step up.
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  So I think there's so many pieces and to your point, three of us, we can talk about this all
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  day long about the who, what, when and why but to break that down and even when people figure
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  that out they're still being blocked right.
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  So I want to talk a little bit about the unconscious because everybody says that belongs
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  to the psychotherapy room or psychologist office or whatever.
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  But we know day to day it's like the New Year's resolutions and within thirty days it's all
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  gone.
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  And people go well why?
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  I bought the gym shoes and I bought the stuff and all that stuff but thirty days later
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  they're not doing it.
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  So let's talk a little bit about the importance of the unconscious and how to introduce it in a
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  way that doesn't go to people.
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  I'm not off my rocker here because every time people hear they hear unconscious, they go,
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  Okay, I'm backing up now.
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  How do you kind of deliver it in a way that makes people say, You know what?
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  Good point.
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  I don't know a lot.
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  It's kind of scary but I want to step into it.
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  I don't know how.
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  Yeah absolutely I think that's such a key to what we're trying to do is I think that science
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  is a really good bridge yeah think Megan and I both believe that when you give the left brain
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  which is the the technically we call it the left brains, whatever, but the side of our
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  brain that wants to understand that wants to make it logical that wants to have some sort of
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  structure to it all.
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  When we give it a little bit of information, and we say, look, right?
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  This is how your brain functions.
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  This is what's happening when you're developing, let's say a perception of the way
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  that you experience the world, right?
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  We can show how that happens neurologically.
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  And then we know that the neurology of how our brain works is the control center for how our
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  chemistry of our body works.
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  That would be like the way our brain talks to other areas of the brain, but also the hormone
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  systems that run the physical body.
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  And so we can show scientifically how all those things happen physically in the brain.
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  And that helps people take a step back and say, Okay, wait, there is something going on here
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  that that the way I'm acting right now, when my boss is yelling at me, and I'm feeling really
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  frightened and defensive, that is a neurological pathway.
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  And I am I'm experiencing the physical feelings of that neurological pathway.
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  So for us, I think sometimes we try and bridge the gap with science and then we can fill in
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  with experience and embodiment, right Megan?
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  Yeah, and I think applied neuroscience, which of course connects to somatics and quantum
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  science are where we really lean.
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  So there's the internal understanding, but then the understanding of how our physical and
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  energetic selves interact with all of creation.
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  That's something we're not taught, but when you learn it and you learn it's actual science, I
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  like to call it magic, but I also know it's science, it gives so much permission to relate
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  to life differently and to start to see things like, oh this is something I keep attracting, I
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  wonder what it might be showing me that I haven't been able to see yet, which is a whole
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  different approach than being stuck in victim mentality, for example, right?
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  Like there's this resonance field that's here for me, holy moly, and as I heal myself I
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  attract different things thanks to quantum science.
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  Absolutely, Tesla and the three-six-nine rule, all those things, right?
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  It's what I love about it, I was trained in EMDR.
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  You know, I I'm sure you both know about it.
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  And I remember when I was when when I was practicing and I would do it, you know, EMDR
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  with someone, and I'd say, this one's not gonna clear.
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  This is me.
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  Right?
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  So EMDR for anybody listening is just a it's a somatic therapy that takes you out of the
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  conscious into the unconscious and it bypasses to help you go back and restore anything that's
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  kind of brought you any kind of pain.
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  And sometimes I'd sit across and I go, there's no way.
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  This one's not gonna go.
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  Right?
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  And then I'm like and then, also, the person comes back with something and it clears, and I
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  would sit there and go, what just happened here?
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  What just happened?
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  So it shows you when you can quantify to your point, when you can show people the function on
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  MRIs, when the executive functioning of the brain then starts to function again, I think
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  that's what was missing thirty years ago when I specialized.
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  Because then everybody be like, I don't know.
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  What do you mean it's about feelings?
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  Because nobody wants to talk about feelings.
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  But I think it's phenomenal when now you can say, look at what we've seen.
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  Like, now you're thinking about that exact memory that would put you on electric
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  overdrive, and now you have no elicited high intense emotions with them.
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  They go, I can't believe it myself.
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  So I think, like, the stuff that you're teaching, that bridge you talked about, what a
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  phenomenal thing to have people that the average person that really wouldn't know what
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  we're talking about unless you've seen a therapist or you've been exposed to somatic
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  therapy in some way, people aren't gonna know.
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  So tell us a little bit more when you have someone and you're working with them and
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  they're like, I know what you're saying but I don't know.
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  How do you bring them in to start to work with them to have them maybe keep a little bit of a
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  crack open to what you might teach them.
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  You want to go?
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  Because at this point since I'm not a licensed therapist anymore, I don't really attract those
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  skeptics in the same way I did in the old paradigm.
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  Most of the time when people find me, they're ready to go.
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  They know what to do.
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  Okay.
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  Think generally, so you're generally, even when you're coaching, are you getting skeptics or
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  people already coming to you ready to go?
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  People come ready to go at this point in my career, which was not always the case.
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  Earlier in my career I would to ease people into that somatic approach and it was slow in
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  honoring.
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  I think that's part.
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  Give them a little experience, see they feel, and then it didn't take long for people to buy
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  in because just like you mentioned with EMDR, the efficiency of healing when we're working
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  with the body, it speaks for itself.
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  Absolutely.
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  And science, of course, that you can give people about why.
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  Absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  Let's talk to the people that are still thinking I'm not there yet.
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  Laura, you've got
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  this one.
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  Yeah I'm not there yet.
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  I get what you
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  guys are saying and you guys all know all these fancy words and all that but I really don't
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  know how you kind of get it into my body is gonna help me.
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  How do you kind of you know triage that person in?
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  Absolutely I think we get a whole gamut of people but I think I get this book in
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  particular speaking to the people that are like I'm not sure I feel stuck I obviously picked
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  this book up because I feel stuck.
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  And I'm curious about ways to get unstuck.
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  And I think when we start to bridge the gap between the things that we've been told
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  throughout our life about the way we're supposed to be functioning.
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  I think most people hit a wall eventually where I've done all of the things in the textbook
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  that said, this is how I'm supposed to live.
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  Why isn't it all working out?
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  And so I think curiosity is the very first tool that we have.
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  Okay.
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  Let's just get bigger than the stuckness and just get curious about it.
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  Just starting with curiosity.
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  And if you can ask somebody to be open minded and curious about ways in which they might be
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  able to get unstuck, because the first thing is everything that you were doing obviously isn't
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  working.
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  We agree on that?
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  Right?
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  Like if you just say that and they're like, I agree on that.
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  So are you open minded enough to be curious about a different way of doing it?
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  And then it only takes one little experience where you ask them to feel something, they feel
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  it at an intensity of eight out of 10.
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  You do a little bit of work with that somatically and it's down to a two And they've
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  had this first experience, that first experience is everything.
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  And so it's just, and really, it's about asking them to be curious about having an experience.
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  And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
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  You don't have any, didn't have, you didn't lose anything, you're still in the same place.
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  It didn't get worse.
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  But you're also at a place where you're asking for something to be different.
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  You might have to look at it differently in order for it to change.
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  That's the whole death.
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  That's a whole thing that Albert Einstein said about doing the same thing again, again,
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  expecting a different result is insanity.
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  It's like we just drive ourselves crazy.
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  And so I think that's one of the most of the time when clients get to me and the work that I
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  do in the world, which is kind of this like spiritual, mental, emotional, physical whole
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  being work.
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  They've been to all these things that didn't work.
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  They've tried all of these things.
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  They've tried traditional things.
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  They've tried, they've read books, they've taken courses, and they still feel burnt out.
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  They still feel tired and underwhelmed.
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  And when the first thing you say is a little bit, we use human design, a little bit of
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  validation about the experience that they're having.
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  That's the first buy in of wait, that is my experience.
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  That is what's happening for me.
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  And I didn't come up with that.
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  That's what your design says.
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  Right.
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  And then you ask them to be even more curious about ways that you can start to shift some of
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  that, give them a little bit of science so that logic brain can just take a deep breath and
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  make space for something different.
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  And that's a whole neurological system that we can explain to people.
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  You know, when you take that breath and you let the right and the left brain talk to each
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  other, you let the reactive brain and the prefrontal cortex talk to each other, you get
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  all of the synchronicity going in the brain and you move energy differently.
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  There's going to be a different result.
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  And it just takes lit and then it's bite size.
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  Like we've said, one little change at a time, one little thing that we look at it.
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  We're not, let's unpack your trauma today.
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  Give it all to us.
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  Something as simple as when I work with leaders and I'll say, okay, tell me about how you
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  experience stress.
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  People have such a basic understanding.
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  I go do you move a lot or do you freeze?
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  And they go what?
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  Like okay do you move?
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  And then they go well I move a lot around a lot.
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  Okay perfect so therefore I go for a run.
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  I go okay does that help?
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  Not really.
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  Okay, you're moving more, you need to be more still and they go, really?
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  And then I go, no they say, then I tried one still thing and it didn't work.
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  I said, well let's come up with a list of 10 things like a math, like learning your times
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  table and you go through that progressively what's going happen naturally and you know
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  this, the brain's going to go, I can take a couple of breaths.
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  Can go walk around my garden.
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  And before you know it, people they don't know that they just can't just do one, two things
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  because the brain, that neural pathway hasn't been developed yet.
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  So it's nice to know that people are then now listening and going, 'Wow, that actually worked
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  this time,' to your point, that crack.
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  And then they go, oh, wow.
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  Maybe there is something to this.
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  So, really, I think I am with you both in saying that I think teaching these things are
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  so important and for us to start teaching our little ones as well relatively early, not to
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  wait till they've kind of grown into big human beings that have learned habits that maybe
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  don't bode well.
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  Yeah, I think we have a culturally, we're not really taught how to emotionally regulate.
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  We're how to avoid our feelings.
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  We're taught how to avoid emotion.
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  We're taught how to manage our emotions in different ways or to intellectualize, but we're
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  at a critical mass where we can't keep moving forward without teaching emotional regulation
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  skills like how do I experience the anger move the anger through my body look at the anger do
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  what I need to do and still stay in diplomacy, still have a conversation.
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  How do I look at the fear of the way I'm feeling right now and still show up open
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  hearted and ready to live something bigger?
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  I think people are beginning to see what happens when we don't teach emotional
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  regulation when we've take that out.
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  I think our goal would be, it's my passion that every single person in the world understood how
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  to emotionally regulate, because if they could do that, then we can be in real collaboration.
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  We can be in real communities.
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  We can have real deep conversations because we know how to take care of ourselves emotionally.
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  I want a gift even in companies.
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  In our homes, we can manage that a bit more or whatever.
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  But if I'm on a team and somebody's consistently triggering me because let's say
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  they raised their voice or they're they're too abstract and that makes me feel stupid or
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  whatever it is.
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  If you learn the steps that when you do this, this is what it happens and this is where it
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  kinda takes me and this is what I'd like different.
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  If we all kind of had start to have that language, which all of us are very I'm sure we
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  use all the time, then what a nicer place that would be because then it's not, oh, you're
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  being defensive or you're being too sensitive or you're being too hypercritical or whatever.
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  I'm helping you understand my internal world and how I would like you to understand my
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  internal world.
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  I'm not blaming you.
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  I'm just saying I'm taking responsibility but we have to collaborate together and we have to
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  work on these big projects together.
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  So what if we can kind of look into each other's world by our communication capacity and
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  then we would just get things done probably more creatively, quicker timelines.
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  We'd be able to shuttle back and forth like you do as partners in so many better ways and it
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  just makes for a better day of work, right, which is where we spend most of our time.
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  Now in reference to are you doing a launch for the book?
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  Okay.
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  Tell us a little bit about the launch and then tell everybody a bit about where they'll be
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  able to get it.
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  We'll be getting the podcasts out, like I said, closer to the launch, so hopefully everybody
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  will grab a copy.
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  But tell them a little bit more about that.
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  Either one of you, Laura or Megan.
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  I I don't know who I look like I'm looking at, but it's open you.
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  Zoom.
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  Zoom.
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  I can talk a little bit just because I'm excited about it.
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  Anyone who's been in our orbit for any amount of time knows we don't love to take the
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  traditional path.
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  That's pretty much what we stand for is being quirky, joyful.
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  Is it
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  gonna be a hip hop class where they pass
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  through Our their brand visually even says that if you go to our website.
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  We got really excited about, and one of the things this book stands for is stepping beyond
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  this prioritized individualism and back to community.
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  So we have created something called Book Club in a Box, which is essentially a free
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  facilitator's guide for anyone who wants to host a gathering of humans to go through this
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  book together because through that, not only does it amplify the change because there's
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  research.
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  Lynne McTaggart's research talks about how when you gather, it exponentially heals and shifts
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  things, but also it de shames these stories we've learned and internalized when we talk
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  about them in relationship.
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  And we like to do things, we are gamifying some of them.
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  We are like, it's not a sterile yoga type book club.
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  It's fun and weird.
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  It's a fun book club.
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  Yes.
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  And doing, that's one of the things that we really believe in is personal growth doesn't
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  have to be so heavy and hard.
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  It doesn't have to be heavier and harder than it already is.
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  We can bring pleasure, we can bring connection, we can bring humor, we can bring all of that to
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  it.
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  So that's what we're really encouraging people to explore is book club in a box, gather your
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  people, and we want to see ripples.
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  We really are envisioning massive healing ripples as people move through and embody the
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  aspects of
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  this And companies could do it by department.
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  Yes, that's what we would love.
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  Shift the culture.
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  Absolutely.
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  Or just start off a bit at a time.
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  And as one little pod has the experience, then they kind of cross pollinate and kind of go a
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  bit at a time.
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  It sounds makes sense with how you met.
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  Keep it fun.
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  Keep it light.
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  Get the word out there but it doesn't have to be the traditional kind of you gotta read this
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  book and we gotta talk about the key points but to experience it in a different way.
• 29:41
  So in reference to the other things that you do, you speak, you train, coach, tell people a
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  little bit about that and when the actual date is of the launch and any last words that you'd
• 29:54
  like to share with everybody.
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  Absolutely.
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  I'll talk a little bit about a couple other things that we're, that we're doing the world.
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  Then I'll let Megan kind of close it out.
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  But we we definitely have some free resources on our website.
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  That, again, that's embodiedleadershipbydesign.com.
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  And there's, there's a burnout survival guide on there that you can download for free.
• 30:15
  And so that's going go by your type and then give you quite a bit of information on how to
• 30:20
  work with burnout right now in your life.
• 30:22
  And then we have some things that will take that deeper some different kinds of things that
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  you can work with, that you can download that the unstuck yourself guidebook will take you a
• 30:31
  little bit deeper into your four prime gifts, and your four prime obstacles.
• 30:36
  So those are fast and easy ways to get a little taste of what we do.
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  And then of course, we do speak and we do facilitate for teams and groups and things like
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  that.
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  We love to do facilitations and workshops.
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  So our most exciting moments come from.
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  And so you can check that all out on embodiedleadershipbydesign.com.
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  And then the book is called unstuck yourself.
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  There is a web page for the book unstuckyourselfbook.net and then I'll let Megan
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  kind of judge all that and add up all the ends and all the things.
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  I would just say I encourage anyone who has a little inner tickle of lean in toward us to go
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  to our website and play.
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  We have a podcast.
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  Once you get your free guide, your burnout guide, you can then go and listen to the
• 31:22
  podcast episode about your specific leadership type, which goes more into the nuance.
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  And then you can find us on Instagram.
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  We're not super duper active there, but we have resources there, which is Embodied Leadership
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  by Design is our handles.
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  We've got goodies and we want to share them.
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  Awesome.
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  This has been a beautiful experience meeting both of you today.
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  And what I want people to walk away with just is think about what kind of leader are you?
• 31:49
  We're not talking homework, wherever, just overall.
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  And I'm pretty good at leading, but I know there's areas that I could get so much better
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  at.
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  This would be a resource that would be fantastic.
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  Starts with us.
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  Right?
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  Just awareness.
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  And I know that's a word that's thrown around a lot, but sometimes there's actual ways that are
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  so small and simple that you can make yourself more aware and not it'd be so at a critical
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  time when you're like, oh, I just screwed that up again.
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  But to start to take little steps to say, what could I do different in the future?
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  And it takes time, and it's different for and what works for you or for Megan and Laura are
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  not gonna work for everybody, but you can always iterate it into what's needed for you.
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  So, again, Laura and Megan, it's been a pleasure for everybody.
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  Thanks for hanging out with us again.
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  You can subscribe so we can have amazing guests like Laura and Megan again.
• 32:40
  And for what's new with me, I'm running my first live course on the ROR, the return on
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  relationship for burnt out leaders.
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  So if you're interested, it's this fall.
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  It's filling up quickly.
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  Just reach out to me at roxanne@roxannederhodge.com so we can have a
• 32:55
  further chat so I can tell you a little bit more about the course.
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  Again, take care everybody, and we'll talk to you soon.
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