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Speaker 1: He's the folk reform it.
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Speaker 2: Tonight the ABC runs out of excuses for hiring hate
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Speaker 2: Flamer Grace Tame, and I'll explain exactly why the Treasurer
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Speaker 2: is also out of excuses. He tries to tell us
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Speaker 2: that getting poorer is good news. Also tonight, a shocking
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Speaker 2: new poll for the Liberals and Labor as Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 2: becomes the champion of the working class. And speaking of that,
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Speaker 2: we'll have a response to Paul Kelly.
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson is not fit to be Prime Minister of Australia.
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Speaker 2: But first, has there been a deadlier myth or exaggeration
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Speaker 2: than the Stolen Generations When it means we leave Aboriginal
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Speaker 2: children in dangers would never tolerate if they were. I
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Speaker 2: read today that the City of Melbourne is planning a
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Speaker 2: three million dollar memorial to the Solent Generations, which did
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Speaker 2: surprise me, and not just because of the costs. You see.
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Speaker 2: In two thousand and three, a Solent Generations task force,
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Speaker 2: led by an Aboriginal activist, Jim Berg, and appointed by
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Speaker 2: a Victorian labor government concluded there hand in fact being
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Speaker 2: no formal policy for removing children for Aboraginal parents in
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Speaker 2: the state none. What's more, last week I heard an
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Speaker 2: ABC reporter claimed this as fat on the ABC's AM program.
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Speaker 4: In the nineteen nineties, there Bringing Them Home inquiry estimated
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Speaker 4: thousands were affected Australia wide by government policies that saw
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Speaker 4: up to one third of Indigenous children forcibly removed from
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Speaker 4: their families between nineteen ten and nineteen seventy.
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Speaker 2: So one third, which means about one hundred thousand Aboriginal
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Speaker 2: children were posedly stolen from their families in what that
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Speaker 2: inquiry by the Human Rights Commission claims was a genocide,
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Speaker 2: an attempt to breed out the Aboriginal And this is
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Speaker 2: ABC report claiming this as fact also astonished me because
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Speaker 2: the ABC is still twenty nine years later repeating fake
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Speaker 2: news that I've been debunking for decades. True, that Bringing
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Speaker 2: Them Home report did claim that a local doctor, doctor
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Speaker 2: Max came In, had surveyed three hundred and twenty adults
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Speaker 2: in Burke, New South Wales in the nineteen seventies and yes,
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Speaker 2: one in every three reported having been separated from their
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Speaker 2: families in childhood for five or more years. Now, really,
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Speaker 2: you know your alarm bell should be going off. That
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Speaker 2: one's one small survey from one New South Wales town
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Speaker 2: becomes the basis for the ABC's claim that won in
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Speaker 2: three Aboriginal children in all Australia was stolen. That's astonishing enough,
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Speaker 2: but I'm afraid he gets even more outrageous. Doctor Camion
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Speaker 2: found only nine children in Burke were removed from their homes,
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Speaker 2: and in every case because their parents were hopeless alcoholics.
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Speaker 2: And this is the ABC's evidence for claiming that one
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Speaker 2: in three Aboriginal children in Australia were stolen. Now you
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Speaker 2: might think ho Andrew bolgis cherry picking, even though I've
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Speaker 2: been writing about these things for decades. In fact, for decades,
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Speaker 2: I've also issued a challenge that not one academic or
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Speaker 2: politician has met name even just ten of these one
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand children supposedly stolen by racist officials just because
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Speaker 2: they were Aborigines. Just name ten in the past century
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Speaker 2: with proof. Of course, everyone who's tried has failed. In fact,
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Speaker 2: in the first federal court test case of people claiming
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Speaker 2: they've been stolen in the Northern Territory, the court ruled
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Speaker 2: that both claimers had in fact not been Peter Gunner
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Speaker 2: had just been sent away to school by his mother,
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Speaker 2: Lorna Kabila had been found aged only eight, in a
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Speaker 2: bush camp and without her parents because one was dead,
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Speaker 2: the other disappeared and the only person supposedly looking after
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Speaker 2: her was working on a station sixty kilometers away, so
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Speaker 2: she was sent to Darwin for schooling, and around the
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Speaker 2: country it's much the same story. In New South Wales,
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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court ruled that an aborige suing for compensation
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Speaker 2: had not been stolen, but given away by her mother.
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Speaker 2: A federal court, like I said, had said that there
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Speaker 2: was also no such policy in the Northern Territory. In
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Speaker 2: Western Australia, the Supreme Court ruled that seven children want
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Speaker 2: a compensation there also weren't stolen, but were removed for
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Speaker 2: their safety. We again, you know, Victoria Stolen Generations Task
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Speaker 2: Force said the state never had a policy to remove
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Speaker 2: children just because they were Aboriginal, and by the way,
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Speaker 2: South Australia's Supreme Court said the same, there's no policy
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Speaker 2: to steell children for being Aboriginal. And when you look
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Speaker 2: at the homes that took in children who'd been removed
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Speaker 2: or abandoned or sent away by their parents, you will
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Speaker 2: see it's simply impossible that tens and tens of thousands
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Speaker 2: of children were stolen to be put where not there.
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Speaker 2: This is South Australia's Cobracombe for instance, the States won home.
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Speaker 2: See how few children it could hold, and what's more,
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Speaker 2: many there weren't stolen. One, for instance, was the late
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Speaker 2: Faith Thomas, who later played cricket for Australia.
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Speaker 5: Had I not been in Colebrook, I would never have
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Speaker 5: got the opportunity that I did have.
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Speaker 6: So I consider miss self not stolen but chosen.
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Speaker 2: I could go on so much evidence, But why do
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Speaker 2: I raise this issue again when I have banged my
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Speaker 2: head against the brick ball for decades, Because it's happening again.
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Speaker 2: For years, some brave people have warned that a fear
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Speaker 2: of repeating the Stolen generations is killing Aboriginal children. And
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Speaker 2: I've covered some of those terrible deaths. For instance, a
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Speaker 2: decade ago, Wayne Martin, and then Western Australian Chief Justice,
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Speaker 2: said there has been an overreaction to the Stolen Generation
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Speaker 2: which has resulted in people been too willing to allow
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal kids to remain in environments that they would not
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Speaker 2: allow non Aboriginal kids to remain in. And last month
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Speaker 2: we saw what I believe is another such case. A
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Speaker 2: five year old girl come and jay little baby allegedly
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Speaker 2: taken from a home and killed by Jefferson Lewis. And
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Speaker 2: of course you know there you went to the child's father.
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Speaker 2: He was in jail. The girl's home it was dirty
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Speaker 2: with lots of empty booze bottles. And there's now an
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Speaker 2: inquiry into why this child was not removed after protection
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Speaker 2: authorities received are reported six child protection notifications. The Northern
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Speaker 2: Charity governor now promises to change the protection laws which,
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Speaker 2: because of fear of the Stolen Generations, they tell officials
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Speaker 2: not to give a child in danger to white cares
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Speaker 2: unless there really aren't any Aboriginal parents, relatives or Aboriginal
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Speaker 2: careers for them only as the last resort.
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Speaker 5: We are unapologetic in our approach. I cannot understand how
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Speaker 5: anyone can argue with making the safety of a child
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Speaker 5: and number one priority. And to those people who think
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Speaker 5: that that's what the old Act did, they're just absolutely wrong.
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Speaker 2: So what matters to Australians to ask to save that
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Speaker 2: stolen generation's story or to save Aboriginal children. I was
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Speaker 2: joined a short while ago by scone New's Northern Australia
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Speaker 2: Correspondent Matt Cunningham. Matt Cunningham, thank you so much for
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Speaker 2: your time. I mean, we've talked about this stuff for
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Speaker 2: so often and so often and nothing ever gets changed.
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Speaker 2: But let's try again. The death of cumen Jay little baby,
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Speaker 2: it's forced to rethink again at last about child protection
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Speaker 2: laws for Aboriginal children in the Northern Territory.
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Speaker 7: Way well, this rethink actually started more than twelve months ago, Andrew,
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Speaker 7: and in fact the government first spoke to me about it,
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Speaker 7: or the Child Protection Minister, Robin Carl's first spoke to
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Speaker 7: me about it last year when we reported on a
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Speaker 7: case of a thirteen year old girl who was actually
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Speaker 7: a promised bride who would fallen pregnant. She presented at
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Speaker 7: the Alice Springs Hospital and had found to be pregnant. Now,
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Speaker 7: this came out in a case in the Northern Territory
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Speaker 7: Supreme Court and it was subsequently learned that this thirteen
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Speaker 7: year old girl had been promised to her quote unquote
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Speaker 7: traditional husband. That man was later sentenced to two years
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Speaker 7: in prison. So I was asking the minister what she
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Speaker 7: was going to do about child protection at that time,
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Speaker 7: and at that time she actually came out and said
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Speaker 7: that she was planning to reform the Care and Protection
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Speaker 7: of Children Act. Sadly, that case at the time, beyond
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Speaker 7: what we reported and the NT News reporter, didn't get
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Speaker 7: a lot of publicity. Now, after the death of Kumunjai
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Speaker 7: little baby, the government has introduced this legislation to the Parliament.
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Speaker 7: That was in fact a coincidence. It was already planning
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Speaker 7: to do this, but obviously it has been highly publicized
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Speaker 7: because of what we saw happened, that horrific, tragic incident
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Speaker 7: that we saw happen only about five or six weeks
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Speaker 7: ago in Alice Springs.
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Speaker 2: What are the changes they're talking about.
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Speaker 7: Well, one of the things and perhaps the most controversial
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Speaker 7: part that they're looking to change, is Section twelve of
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Speaker 7: the Care and Protection of Children Act, which actually relates
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Speaker 7: to Aboriginal children and what happens when they need to
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Speaker 7: be taken into care. So as part of that Act,
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Speaker 7: it lists the Aboriginal Child Placement Principle, which says that
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Speaker 7: if an Aboriginal child is removed into care, it needs
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Speaker 7: in the first instance to go to an Aboriginal family
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Speaker 7: member and can only go to a non indigenous care Basically,
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Speaker 7: as an option of last resort. So that principle is
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Speaker 7: being amended and what's being introduced is what the government's
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Speaker 7: calling a universal child placement principle, which has safety as
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Speaker 7: the number one the primary consideration. The Minister has says
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Speaker 7: that she was alarmed to find that there was no
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Speaker 7: mention of safety at all in that section twelve of
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Speaker 7: the Care and Protection of Children Act. Now that comes
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Speaker 7: Andrew despite a recommendation made by the Northern Territories Coroner
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Speaker 7: Greg Cavanagh some sixteen years ago in a case you
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Speaker 7: and I have spoken about on many occasions, and that
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Speaker 7: is the case of a twelve year old girl by
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Speaker 7: the name of Deborah Melville who died in the backyard
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Speaker 7: of a home in Woodruff, basically on the outskirts of
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Speaker 7: Darwin in two thousand and seven. She had basically gone
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Speaker 7: for three weeks with an untreated leg infection and ended
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Speaker 7: up dying of basically that infection after it shut down
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Speaker 7: her major organs. Now for three weeks she had been
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Speaker 7: complaining about that issue and she received no treatment whatsoever.
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Speaker 7: Deborah Melville was a girl who had been placed in
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Speaker 7: the care of her aunt. That was despite the fact
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Speaker 7: that her aunt already had seven children. She then took
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Speaker 7: on Deborah Melville and her four siblings, even though she said,
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Speaker 7: according to this coronial report, that she didn't really want
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Speaker 7: those children. They lived in squalid conditions at a home
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Speaker 7: in bees Creek on the outskirts of Darwin, and then
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Speaker 7: at this home in Palmerston, and then she died in
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Speaker 7: the most horrific of circumstances. Now, at the time the
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Speaker 7: coroner made a recommendation that there be changes made to
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Speaker 7: that section twelve of the Care and Protection of Children Act,
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Speaker 7: so that there had to be basically a universal standard
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Speaker 7: that an Aboriginal child couldn't be viewed differently to a
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Speaker 7: non Indigenous child and placed in a sort of setting
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Speaker 7: that wouldn't otherwise be accepted. But that recommendation at the
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Speaker 7: time was never adopted.
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Speaker 2: Now, there were suggestions at the time that one reason
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Speaker 2: the child was there instead of in a proper care
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Speaker 2: was stolen. Generations didn't want to repeat it, and she
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Speaker 2: died as a consequence, a leader of pus in her
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Speaker 2: leg and covered as I understand it, with ants. There
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Speaker 2: have been warnings before by Northern Territory officials and even
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Speaker 2: then Chief Minister Adam Jars himself of obriginal background that
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Speaker 2: children weren't being removed when they should have been, with
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Speaker 2: some again blaming fear of the stolen generations. You mentioned
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Speaker 2: this case which has never left my mind. What other
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Speaker 2: warnings have struck you and why were they ignored?
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Speaker 7: Look, you know twenty years almost I've been working here
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Speaker 7: in the Northern Territory and I've seen many horrific cases.
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Speaker 7: You will remember Hillary Hannam, who was the Chief Magistrate
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Speaker 7: of the Northern Territory giving evidence to Commission and Gooda
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Speaker 7: at the Royal Commission into the Protection of Detention, Protection
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Speaker 7: and Detention of Children here in the Northern Territory, who
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Speaker 7: basically was making the case about the fact that authorities here,
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Speaker 7: she was saying, seemed far more reluctant to intervene than
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Speaker 7: they would be in other jurisdictions. And Mick Gooda was
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Speaker 7: trying to say to her, well, actually, what i've heard
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Speaker 7: is the opposite of that, that actually, you know, there's
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Speaker 7: been being a second stolen generation being created because these
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Speaker 7: kids are being taken too readily. And she really pushed
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Speaker 7: back and presented some pretty powerful evidence to support her
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Speaker 7: argument that, in fact, the opposite of that was true.
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Speaker 7: I think the other case that really sticks in my mind, Andrew,
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Speaker 7: is the case of a two year old girl in
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Speaker 7: Tenant Creek in twenty eighteen who was raped and it
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Speaker 7: subsequently subsequently was revealed through a report done by the
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Speaker 7: Children's Commissioner at the time, Colin Gwynn, that that girl
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Speaker 7: and her family had been the subject of fifty two
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Speaker 7: different notifications that it had been made to the Child
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Speaker 7: Protection Department in the lead up to her death, but
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Speaker 7: nothing had been done to remove her from that situation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned Mick Gooder being apparently resistant. We've mentioned
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Speaker 2: that before. We showed extracts grabs to the idea that
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Speaker 2: children should be rem the Aboriginal children should be removed
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Speaker 2: and weren't because of the sole generation. We should note,
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Speaker 2: in fact that he was one of the authors of
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Speaker 2: the Bringing Them Home report, which I mentioned at the
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Speaker 2: top of the show, perpetuated I think a gross and
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Speaker 2: damaging exaggeration what really went on. You've done fabulous work,
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Speaker 2: but Gusha been so pessimistic about the chances of change,
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Speaker 2: given that we're looking at a real cultural change among
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Speaker 2: white a strains too. To hear these things said, do
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Speaker 2: you think a real change will be made this time.
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Speaker 7: Well, the government here has obviously been committed to that change,
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Speaker 7: and Robin carl who is the Child Protection Minister, she
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Speaker 7: has said repeatedly that she makes no apologies for what
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Speaker 7: she's doing. She has been obviously the subject of significant
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Speaker 7: criticism since these changes were announced. So I do think
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Speaker 7: that we have a minister and a government at the
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Speaker 7: moment that is committed to try to change. I think
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Speaker 7: the bigger problem is going to be to get that
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Speaker 7: change within the Child Protection Department itself. I mean, I've
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Speaker 7: heard from people who work in there, even in the
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Speaker 7: last few weeks, who say that at times there is
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Speaker 7: this sort of ideology that's pushed on them, And I
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Speaker 7: guess that is the problem, whether they are able to
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Speaker 7: push back against that. Because if all of their training
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Speaker 7: and everything that they're being told is, oh, we can't
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Speaker 7: create a second stolen generation, you know, etc.
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Speaker 2: Etc.
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Speaker 7: Well, then you know you have to wonder what goes
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Speaker 7: through their mind in a situation where they have to
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Speaker 7: make one of those decisions. And to bring it back
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Speaker 7: to the Melville case, you know, there was a woman
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Speaker 7: who was writing reports about these children, and those reports,
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Speaker 7: according to the coroner, basically weren't giving a truthful summary
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Speaker 7: of what was happening in that situation. And one of
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Speaker 7: the reasons pointed to was the fact that she being
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Speaker 7: told by someone from an organization called KARU, which was
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Speaker 7: representing Aboriginal Kinship Cares at the time. She was told
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Speaker 7: not to bring a white middle class value to this
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Speaker 7: situation and that by doing that, you know, she was
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Speaker 7: at risk of creating a second Stolen Generation. Now, the
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Speaker 7: coroner said in his report that that was an absurd suggestion,
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Speaker 7: but I do think it is something that is raised.
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Speaker 7: I mean, even the fact over the last few weeks
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Speaker 7: that these conversations happen in tandem, you know, one about
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Speaker 7: the child protection system and one about the Stolen Generation
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Speaker 7: and the second Stolen Generation. So I mean the question
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Speaker 7: is whether the government is going to be able to
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Speaker 7: have the changes it want flow through to the department
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Speaker 7: so that they do make that decision with safety always
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Speaker 7: as their primary consideration.
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Speaker 2: All Australia faces a choice White Australia, Black Australia. Do
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Speaker 2: you want to save the Stolen generation's story or do
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Speaker 2: you want to save Aboriginal children. I think it's now
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Speaker 2: a clear choice and we're seeing the price of the
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Speaker 2: delay of making that choice. Matt Conningham, thank you so
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Speaker 2: much indeed for your time.
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Speaker 7: Thanks Andrew.
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Speaker 2: After the break, treasure Jim Chalmers is good news as
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Speaker 2: growth figures today show well, actually you're getting poorer. Well
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Speaker 2: the news might be getting gloomy, but you can still
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Speaker 2: have some fun, you know, every time there is more
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Speaker 2: bad economic data. I so look forward to seeing how
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Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Charmers will sell that lead like it was
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Speaker 2: gold today. Again, growth coming in lower than expected and
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Speaker 2: under what it was the month before two point five percent. Now,
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Speaker 2: although when you allow for this tidal wave of immigrants
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Speaker 2: that meanwhile being allowed to come in by the government
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Speaker 2: so it can collect extra taxes, you will find that
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Speaker 2: growth per person actually fell. Yes, indeed we're actually getting poorer.
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Speaker 2: But he comes Jim char today to tell you this
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Speaker 2: is great. This is very solid in the circumstances.
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Speaker 8: This is the equal fastest annual growth in almost three years.
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Speaker 8: It shows how resilient our economy is at a time
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Speaker 8: of very substantial global economic volatility and instability.
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Speaker 2: Where lots, as your leader Angus Taylor attacked, today's national
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Speaker 2: accounts show GDP per person went backwards in the March
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Speaker 2: quarter for the tenth time out of fifteen quarters under Labor.
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Speaker 9: On Labour's watch, more than one point four million migrants
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Speaker 9: have arrived in Australia. Prime Minister ways out of control
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Speaker 9: migration your only strategy to achieve economic growth.
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Speaker 10: They know that the migration rate has fallen by forty
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Speaker 10: five percent.
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Speaker 1: And what they do.
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Speaker 10: What they do is coming here, pretend that we're immune
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Speaker 10: from a global impact of a global war.
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Speaker 2: Reality check. By the way, net migration this financial year
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Speaker 2: is still an astonishing two hundred and ninety five thousand net.
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Speaker 2: Join me is the political panel. Camera Milner Forma, chief
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Speaker 2: of staff to Labor leader Bill Short now director of
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Speaker 2: g XO Strategies, and Michael Cossler, former New South Wales
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Speaker 2: Labor Treasurer. Michael, what do these figures tell you?
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Speaker 11: They tell us we're in deep trouble, Andrew. We're heading
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Speaker 11: for stagflation. You can see it, and we've talked about
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Speaker 11: this on your program. You've got interest rates coming up,
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Speaker 11: you've got unemployment going up, you've got growth going down,
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Speaker 11: and productivity, which is the most important measure, you know,
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Speaker 11: going right down. And you know that means we're facing
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Speaker 11: some real economic problems. I mean, Charmers has really become
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Speaker 11: the bag dad Bob of economic management. I mean it's
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Speaker 11: hard to even keep a straight face when I listen
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Speaker 11: to that bloke. He's got no idea. We all know
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Speaker 11: our bows clueless. But this bloke, you know, suppose has
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Speaker 11: studied Paul Keating and you know Paul Coaty. For one
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Speaker 11: thing he did when we had that Banana Republic outlook,
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Speaker 11: he basically used that as an opportunity to get the
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Speaker 11: economy back into a position where it could grow and
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Speaker 11: productivity will grow it where Charms is just sitting there
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Speaker 11: watching this happen and spinning out of control. It's a
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Speaker 11: disgraceful situation, Andrew.
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Speaker 2: And yet he does it with such confidence. That's what
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Speaker 2: really gets me. Is so interesting how we can do that.
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Speaker 2: But Cameron, how is this news going to affect our politics?
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Speaker 2: When we already have a Scaronist poll today confirming the
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Speaker 2: one we saw on Monday that Labour's primary vote is
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Speaker 2: now way behind one Nations and sixty percent of voters
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Speaker 2: say they are dissatisfied with the Prime Minister, even though
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Speaker 2: labor after preferences would still win an election.
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Speaker 12: What do you make of all that, well, I think
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Speaker 12: we know that this here, which is the more Albanz lies,
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Speaker 12: the more you see one nation rise. I mean, that's
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Speaker 12: the reality of it. I mean, you know, the budget's
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Speaker 12: been disastrous for the voter out there and they're really
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Speaker 12: feeling the pain of broken promises, of lies from the
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Speaker 12: Prime minister, and the one party out there that's saying
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Speaker 12: we will tell it to you straight is poorly hands
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Speaker 12: into one nation. That's why it's on such a huge
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Speaker 12: appeal right now, and it's been growing for a while.
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Speaker 12: And to your point, Michael, we've been talking about this
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Speaker 12: one of your program for a Whilelander. I mean you
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Speaker 12: were one of the first people to call this in
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Speaker 12: terms of what was happening in this strained body politic.
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Speaker 12: I mean the Canberra commentary. I thought it was just
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Speaker 12: a two party per third system any long.
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Speaker 2: It's not.
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Speaker 12: One nation's coming through the center as a new political force,
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Speaker 12: and both parties have to deal with.
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Speaker 2: The consequences of that going forward. It's true. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's interesting that one nation in according to our pole,
22:47
Speaker 2: anyone with us can see it is now the new
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Speaker 2: part of the working class. So it's very hard to
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Speaker 2: demonize as extreme right. It's what Labor used to claim
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Speaker 2: were its own voters. But the real trouble is on
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Speaker 2: the Liberals at the moment Michael I mentioned Angus Taylor
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Speaker 2: showed him asking a good question, and I've heard so
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Speaker 2: many journalists praise him for making a good start as
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Speaker 2: a leader, presenting well, getting more aggressive on the right track.
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Speaker 2: But look, I said, for a few weeks ago to
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Speaker 2: me was the walking dead. The pole figures don't show
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Speaker 2: this opposed stronger, better, more attractive Angus Stater at all,
23:26
Speaker 2: because the Liberals in this week's poll have gone backwards
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Speaker 2: even more than did Labor. I mean, how do you
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Speaker 2: fix that?
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Speaker 11: Well, I think it's going to be very hard. Look
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Speaker 11: on your first part about the working class and one Nation,
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Speaker 11: I mean Labour's been losing the blue collar worker for years, Andrew,
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Speaker 11: I mean Howard's Battler's. You know, in my period in
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Speaker 11: the Labor they were walking away in Draves as soon
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Speaker 11: as the Labor Party, to quote Clode Cameron back in
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Speaker 11: the old days said, you know, we had the dregs
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Speaker 11: of the middle class running rather than the cream of
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Speaker 11: the working class was in this scenario and it was
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Speaker 11: just open for somebody like One Nation to come along
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Speaker 11: and pick it up. But where we're going to go
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Speaker 11: with all of this, The bottom line is that, yes,
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Speaker 11: Angus Taylor's not cutting through. I think, to be honest
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Speaker 11: with you, I was skeptical, but I actually think he's
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Speaker 11: been performing well. But the problem for everybody is on
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Speaker 11: the basis of those polls. If you've got twenty five
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Speaker 11: percent of you know, liberal voters vote for One Nation
24:25
Speaker 11: and you've got virtually the same twenty eight percent or
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Speaker 11: whatever it is of One Nation voters that won't vote
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Speaker 11: for the coalition, the fact is that Labour's still going
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Speaker 11: to win on a two party preferred. I think that
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Speaker 11: two party preferred understates the real position out there based
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Speaker 11: on those figures of them not wanting to vote for
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Speaker 11: each other. So we've got some real problems as a
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Speaker 11: nation because we don't have political leadership.
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Speaker 2: Kemn. What do you make of that? There's Michael again
24:53
Speaker 2: saying angst Taylor is performing well, and I agree he's doing.
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Speaker 2: His His lines are good, is tarten up, His language
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Speaker 2: is focusing on some of the right things, But the
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Speaker 2: Liberals keep going backwards. What's the solution?
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Speaker 12: Well, I think, I mean Chris Jones who's the editor
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Speaker 12: of the Career mar I think are a really good
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Speaker 12: editorial today, So people shall have a read of that
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Speaker 12: because it's basically saying that the rules of politics as
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Speaker 12: they were are broken. The political parties are try and
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Speaker 12: respond like they would normally respond. They shouldn't respond with
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Speaker 12: the politicking of camera. They should go out and talk
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Speaker 12: to people. Go and talk to voters, see what voters
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Speaker 12: actually want. That's what Paul and Hanson's doing. Labor certainly
25:32
Speaker 12: isn't because they're running scared, and I don't think Angus
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Speaker 12: Taylor has either. The only person in Farah who stood
25:36
Speaker 12: up for the Conservatives was was Matt Cannaban who went
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Speaker 12: camp out there for two weeks and got nine point
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Speaker 12: nine percent of the vote from scratch for National Party.
25:43
Speaker 12: So the Conservatives can do it. But I don't think
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Speaker 12: Taylor has been listening. I think he's been doing little
25:48
Speaker 12: door stops, little sort of pieces for camera. He hasn't
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Speaker 12: been out there talking to voters, and that's what you
25:52
Speaker 12: need to do to rebuild your base.
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Speaker 2: Well, maybe you know, some people have got common touch
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Speaker 2: Henson does. Maybe that's what the Liberals should be after
26:04
Speaker 2: Michael Costler and Cameron Milner. Thank you very much to
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Speaker 2: you both. After the break. The ridiculous excuses for the
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Speaker 2: ABC hiring Grace Tame and why I know very personally
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Speaker 2: by the ABC bosses are such hypocrites. Now we can't
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Speaker 2: let the national broadcasts of the ABC get away with
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Speaker 2: these shabby excuses for hiring Grace Stain, the hard left
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Speaker 2: antie Israel hater who this year screamed for an into
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Speaker 2: Fada in Australia from Gela. That was just a couple
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Speaker 2: of months after we saw what an alleged into Fada
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Speaker 2: looks like, Jews massacred in Bondai. But I heard today
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Speaker 2: Melbourne University media academic saying the ABC shouldn't ban Grace
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Speaker 2: Tain for a podcast on autism just because she said
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Speaker 2: something unrelated about Israel.
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Speaker 6: What you're saying really is that. Look, in my opinion,
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Speaker 6: what she said then was racist, offensive, whatever you want
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Speaker 6: to say, and so for that reason I deny her
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Speaker 6: the right to speak on something else. Well, that's just illogical.
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Speaker 2: If that came from the ABC, I'd call it absolutely
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Speaker 2: hypocritical nonsense. For one, the ABC has had no trouble
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Speaker 2: banning conservatives for simply saying conservative things and moreover, without
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Speaker 2: them calling for violence here against anyone.
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Speaker 13: I certainly hadn't thought that Andrew Bolt would be a
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Speaker 13: great fit for the ABC. There were no job offers
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Speaker 13: out there, Andrew. Sorry Andrew, but there are no job offers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a job of the ABC for Grace Tame.
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Speaker 2: So that's the hypocrisy from an ABC that's meant to
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Speaker 2: be impartial in exchange for taxpayer funding. But now to
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Speaker 2: the nonsense of arguing that what Tame's says an Israel
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Speaker 2: shouldn't disqualify from hosting a podcast about autism. Well, first,
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Speaker 2: of course, legitimizing her like this and promoting her does
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Speaker 2: mean the ABC is making stronger someone whose message risks
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Speaker 2: endangering public peace and the safety of Jews in particular
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Speaker 2: in my opinion. And second, who can actually trust this
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Speaker 2: new ABC host to actually tell the truth about anything, Because,
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Speaker 2: after all, Grace Tame did falsely claim that the documented
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Speaker 2: rapes of Jewish women by Hamasteris in the October seven
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Speaker 2: attack hadn't happened. That was propaganda.
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Speaker 5: I'm not going to think to the level of entertaining
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Speaker 5: any kind of propaganda Hamish.
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Speaker 2: What's the propaganda included in that question?
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Speaker 12: There have been those things have been debunked.
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Speaker 2: And Grace Tame claimed that when she called for an
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Speaker 2: intafada as she just meant a widespread uprising. She's at
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Speaker 2: best recklessly ignorant. Then of the fact that the word
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Speaker 2: into fartists commonly used to describe two terrorist wars against Israel.
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Speaker 2: And a final point, the ABC says her new podcast
29:15
Speaker 2: is to get a better understanding of what life is
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Speaker 2: like as an autistic person, beyond the stereotypes. That's a
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Speaker 2: good cause. But those stereotypes that are so damaging include
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Speaker 2: that autistic people they're cold and dogmatic and unfeeling, and
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Speaker 2: like I say, a welcome show that does put another perspective.
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Speaker 2: But is Grace Taine really the person to prove that
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Speaker 2: stereotype is untrue given the way she's carrying on? I
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Speaker 2: said last week, by the way, ABC chairman Kim Williams
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Speaker 2: was having us on when he claimed the ABC was
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Speaker 2: not biased.
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Speaker 13: In fact, the majority of ABC journalists, I would defy
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Speaker 13: anyone to know how they vote.
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Speaker 2: And Kim, that's true. I don't know whether Grace tain
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Speaker 2: votes Labor Greens, the Muslim vote, or Socialist Alliance, just
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Speaker 2: as I don't know if you GoF Whitnam's son in
30:11
Speaker 2: law vote Labor or Teal. But I have seen Tame
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Speaker 2: cuddle up to Anthony Abanezi, and I've also seen her
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Speaker 2: angry side eye at the Liberals. And I would bet
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Speaker 2: my house that Grace Tame would never vote Liberal or
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Speaker 2: one Nation sell this politically corrupted ABC. Now joining me
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Speaker 2: is Rondine and from Chief of the Spectator Australia, host
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Speaker 2: of Outsiders every Sunday at nine am and hosts of
30:43
Speaker 2: his own show on Fridays at seven pm. Rowan right
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Speaker 2: here we have one issue where for me, one nation
30:51
Speaker 2: is superior to the Liberals. One nation promises to sell
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Speaker 2: this ABC or make it a subscription service like the
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Speaker 2: Sky News apart from services to the Bush. The Liberals though,
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Speaker 2: will not.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, and this is a critical thing. And you're right
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Speaker 13: to point out the controversy over yet again Grace Tame,
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Speaker 13: and that controversy is simply solved.
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Speaker 1: Is simply solved. Most people have missed the point.
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Speaker 13: If the ABC were a subscription model, then we would
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Speaker 13: know how popular Grace Tame was and then they they
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Speaker 13: would put their money where their mouth is. It could
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Speaker 13: turn out she'd be gold dush, she could make them unfortune.
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Speaker 13: She could be a top podcast around the world. I
31:31
Speaker 13: doubt it, but you never know. And why should the
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Speaker 13: Australian taxpayer fork out at times when inflation's going up,
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Speaker 13: when the interest rates are going up, people are struggling
31:41
Speaker 13: for money.
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Speaker 1: Why should we we be spending.
31:43
Speaker 13: A billion over a billion dollars a year to prop
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Speaker 13: up a media organization that does not do what its
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Speaker 13: legal charter says it should do and instead sets about
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Speaker 13: doing what it should be doing by on its own money.
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Speaker 1: And that is the key point. So yes, one nation
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Speaker 1: is correct.
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Speaker 13: I don't know why the Liberals refuse to recognize that
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Speaker 13: one of their worst enemies is the ABC.
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Speaker 1: Why they panned to it.
32:11
Speaker 13: Why you have Angus Taylor wandering around going oh PK PK,
32:14
Speaker 13: you know, Patricia Carvillis, or why we had Morris you
32:18
Speaker 13: understood why Malcolm Cernbull was friends with them because a
32:22
Speaker 13: he set up The Guardian, but be they were of
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Speaker 13: his ILK.
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Speaker 1: But why we have the Liberal Party having anything to
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Speaker 1: do with the ABC.
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Speaker 13: They're a disgrace and we've seen the bias repeatedly and
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Speaker 13: this is just yet another example of it.
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Speaker 2: Andrew, look it is it is shocking. And what really
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Speaker 2: offends me is the ABC lies about it, pretends we're
32:44
Speaker 2: not bus is if none of us can see, you know,
32:47
Speaker 2: and only conservatives would complain, we should tell them something already.
32:51
Speaker 2: If any conservatives are complaining, why does that tell you?
32:55
Speaker 2: By the way, given this, this is tangential to this,
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Speaker 2: it actually because this is exactly though what Paul kelly
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Speaker 2: E's are at large with the Australian newspaper when in
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Speaker 2: the Murdoch stable one of us. This is what is
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Speaker 2: missing when he attacks one nation like this on Sky
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Speaker 2: News yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hansen is not fit to be Prime Minister of Australia.
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Speaker 3: She's not equipped to do the job. She can't do
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Speaker 3: the job now I understand the job coming from people.
33:27
Speaker 3: She couldn't be worse than Albow. Well, I'm here to
33:29
Speaker 3: tell you she could be a lot worse than Albow.
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Speaker 2: I think the last bit was a reference to my
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Speaker 2: column about that. But today Kelly added to his column
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Speaker 2: in The Australia that Hanson is not fit in any
33:42
Speaker 2: sense to be prime minister of this country. She would
33:44
Speaker 2: threaten every aspect of this country, from prosperity to its cohesion,
33:50
Speaker 2: which fine Rowan I about Look, I'm worried too about
33:54
Speaker 2: a competence lack of serious tument, but I also know
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Speaker 2: and this ABC is she was an example. Without Hanson,
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Speaker 2: or even the threat of Hanson, real change will not come.
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Speaker 13: Well, that's a critical point, Andrew, and you are one
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Speaker 13: hundred percent correct. And even if all that Pauline Hanson
34:13
Speaker 13: ever achieves with one Nation is to get the coalition
34:17
Speaker 13: or the right, center, right or whatever you want to
34:20
Speaker 13: call it, the non labor side of politics to do
34:23
Speaker 13: the things that need to be done, like pulling out
34:25
Speaker 13: of Paris, canceling that zero, canceling the ABC, lowering immigration
34:30
Speaker 13: and getting us back on a sound footing, that will
34:32
Speaker 13: have been a huge achievement. But I suspect she's probably
34:35
Speaker 13: got more than that that she can offer. But for
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Speaker 13: Paul Kelly, that's a very big call to say in
34:41
Speaker 13: any sense she is not fit to be Prime minister,
34:44
Speaker 13: and then to go on and not actually give the
34:46
Speaker 13: fitness test by what criteria. Now you've named a couple competents,
34:51
Speaker 13: you can certainly look at Pauline Hanson's competence and commitment
34:56
Speaker 13: over the last couple of years. Compare the Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 13: who for example, was on your show. The other nyat
35:02
Speaker 13: who's been on Outsiders frequently, who was on Andrew Clenell's
35:05
Speaker 13: show on Sunday Morning where Andrew put the classic Canra
35:08
Speaker 13: bubble blowtorch to her and she batted off every question
35:13
Speaker 13: quite happily and had ideas on every issue. So to
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Speaker 13: say that she's not equipped or fit to be prime minister,
35:19
Speaker 13: in what sense is he talking? Is he talking about
35:21
Speaker 13: her personality? Is he talking about her intellect because you
35:24
Speaker 13: put her up against the man who currently is prime minister.
35:29
Speaker 13: If he's referring to her integrity, honesty and trustworthiness, which
35:33
Speaker 13: I would have thought, you'd be right at the top
35:35
Speaker 13: of your criteria of what makes fitness prime ministerial fitness,
35:40
Speaker 13: I would say Pauline Hanson is way ahead of Anthony Albanisi,
35:44
Speaker 13: who lied fifty times, brazenly breaks a promise, trashes our
35:48
Speaker 13: out concept of democracy where we're supposed to give governments
35:52
Speaker 13: a mandate for three years, and rushes off doing whatever
35:55
Speaker 13: he feels like and in the process ruining people's lives.
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Speaker 13: I would argue Albanis is unfit to be prime minister.
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Speaker 13: And when I heard when I saw the headline, unfit
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Speaker 13: to BPM. I thought Paul Kelly was talking about Anthony Alberanezi,
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Speaker 13: and I thought it was tire when he then went
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Speaker 13: on to talk about Pauline Hanson, because of course the
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Speaker 13: other key thing in prime ministerial fitness is whether you
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Speaker 13: can attract votes. And when over one and three or
36:19
Speaker 13: close to one in three Australians are now putting one
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Speaker 13: nation at the top of their in their opinion poll answers,
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Speaker 13: that would suggest they've already answered in their own mind
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Speaker 13: the question of whether they think she is fit to
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Speaker 13: be prime minister and have decided in the positive. Anything
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Speaker 13: could change before the election, but at this point in
36:39
Speaker 13: time I thought it was a ridiculous comment to make.
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Speaker 2: Well, in fact, you raise the thing there. I don't
36:46
Speaker 2: want to dismiss you know how important is to be competent,
36:52
Speaker 2: but I would say this for me, I wonder whether
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson, incompetently trying to achieve good things, is actually
37:04
Speaker 2: better then than Albany Easy with perfect competence doing exactly
37:09
Speaker 2: the wrong thing, like you know, global warming, all that
37:12
Speaker 2: kind of thing is perfectly competent in destroying the economy
37:16
Speaker 2: of this global warming policies but do I actually want
37:18
Speaker 2: that and value it? We don't know, like an incompetant
37:20
Speaker 2: to just come around and kick it all over and
37:23
Speaker 2: so we can start again. Honestly, I would question, we
37:27
Speaker 2: shall see this plenty more.
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Speaker 13: I defend her competence more, and I think her competence
37:32
Speaker 13: goes way ahead of the Labour Government's competence at the moment.
37:35
Speaker 13: You take any issue and hit their answers on it,
37:37
Speaker 13: and she's very solid and very sound incompetence. My name
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Speaker 13: is labor, I would.
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Speaker 2: Argue Rowendine, thank you so much. On that final note,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much. Coming up after the break the
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Speaker 2: ACTU course for a three day week. It makes me
37:56
Speaker 2: wonder why do union bosses hate workers? Three days a week?
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Speaker 2: Really that great?
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Speaker 13: Now?
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Speaker 2: This time is so revealing. Today we got figures showing
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Speaker 2: Australians are getting poorer per person and also figures showing
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Speaker 2: our productivity at work going backwards. And yet that's exactly
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Speaker 2: when the big union koona. ACTU secretary Sallie McManus says
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Speaker 2: artificial intelligence should let us all work a three day week.
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Speaker 2: Join me A Jembertonini columnists and communications consultant and Caroline Darusso,
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Speaker 2: commentator and president of the West Australian Liberals GEMMA a
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Speaker 2: three day week. You know, I sometimes get the impression
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Speaker 2: that our union movement really is anti work at all.
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Speaker 14: Well, I mean, Andrew fuchxtrapolate this out.
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Speaker 15: With a little bit of luck, Salim McManus won't have
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Speaker 15: a job because there'll be no one working.
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Speaker 14: Like it's very simple. This trajectory is doing one way
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Speaker 14: and one way only. At first it was, you know,
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Speaker 14: let's go down to a four day week. We can
39:04
Speaker 14: do it, Australia can do this. Now it's a three
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Speaker 14: day week.
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Speaker 15: Well, Sally, let's just take it the whole hog and
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Speaker 15: say no one works, so no one gets taxed, you
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Speaker 15: don't have a job.
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Speaker 14: We're you know, we go into.
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Speaker 15: Socialist utopia, dystopia, whatever you want to call it.
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Speaker 14: These people are not serious people, Andrew.
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Speaker 15: They don't come to the table with solutions for the
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Speaker 15: current challenges this country is happening having, and it's so
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Speaker 15: counterproductive for the people she's supposed to be representing. She's
39:29
Speaker 15: supposed to be representing workers whose jobs are in fact
39:32
Speaker 15: extremely vulnerable. We've had this minimum wage rise this week,
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Speaker 15: which we understand is necessary because people are doing it tough.
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Speaker 14: But money just can't be printed forever.
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Speaker 15: So the you know, the conversations I'm hearing out and
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Speaker 15: in the workplace and in certain sectors is certain jobs
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Speaker 15: will have to go to maintain, you know, to be.
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Speaker 14: Able to make payroll for these minimum wage rises.
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Speaker 15: It's not these people don't have a basic grasp of
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Speaker 15: economics or clearly how to drive productivity in our country.
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Speaker 2: Caroline, what do you make of it? How many days
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Speaker 2: of work do you work each week? Do you work?
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Speaker 16: I run a business. I have an online business that
40:17
Speaker 16: goes twenty four seven, so I actually work every day
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Speaker 16: of the week, even when I'm on holidays. I always
40:23
Speaker 16: find a couple of hours each day. And I'm sure
40:25
Speaker 16: gems are the same, where you still log on and
40:28
Speaker 16: you do a few things to make sure the wheels
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Speaker 16: keep turning. The problem with the union movement and you
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Speaker 16: bang on the money, Andrew, is there actually ideologically opposed
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Speaker 16: to productivity. The idea of the union movement is to
40:41
Speaker 16: make sure the workers work the least number of days
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Speaker 16: a year, the least number of hours, or the least
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Speaker 16: number of productive hours while they're at work, but get
40:51
Speaker 16: paid as much as possible for it. So I'm just
40:54
Speaker 16: curious if it's down to three days, is that because
40:57
Speaker 16: there's an efficiency or are they still to be taking
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Speaker 16: their morning Smoco, their afternoon Smoco, They're still getting their
41:04
Speaker 16: silk cushion cover allowance and all those other things. This
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Speaker 16: is what I don't understand, Andrew, Are they actually working?
41:12
Speaker 16: What is actually happening here, because unfortunately, and we've had
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Speaker 16: quite low unemployment in recent times, and I'm sure that's
41:21
Speaker 16: because now it takes three people to do the job
41:23
Speaker 16: of two that it may have done in the past,
41:25
Speaker 16: and it's now feeding into the cost bottom line for
41:30
Speaker 16: many companies and is part of the rising cost across
41:35
Speaker 16: our economy. This is an economy wide issue that needs
41:39
Speaker 16: to be dealt with, and it isn't going to be
41:42
Speaker 16: dealt with by everyone having a four day weekend.
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Speaker 2: Now, before I go back to Gemma, Karen, let me
41:49
Speaker 2: stick with you because I misattributed you before. We've now
41:53
Speaker 2: got a brand new taitle. It's so glorious General Liberal
41:58
Speaker 2: Vice President President and Madam no I look, it's impressed me.
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Speaker 2: No one's made me vice president of the National Party.
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Speaker 2: But listen, Caroline, in this exalted new role, now that
42:11
Speaker 2: you have some real responsibility. Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull,
42:16
Speaker 2: one of your mob, today, took yet another potshot at
42:20
Speaker 2: your mob, this time saying the party faces extinction going
42:23
Speaker 2: the wrong way. He told the Financial Review, You've got
42:26
Speaker 2: to be able to persuade people that you can do
42:28
Speaker 2: a better job running the economy and don't get distracted
42:31
Speaker 2: by all the cultureal stuff that drives ratings that Sky
42:34
Speaker 2: News and in the murder press and so forth, and
42:37
Speaker 2: may cheer up grumpy people at branch meetings. Is he
42:41
Speaker 2: right and why haven't you sacked him?
42:45
Speaker 16: Well, I think you're attributing a little too much power
42:49
Speaker 16: to me than I actually have.
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Speaker 6: Andrew.
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Speaker 16: First of all, Malcolm did a fabulous job in helping
42:55
Speaker 16: us lose fourteen Saints in twenty sixteen, so I don't
42:58
Speaker 16: think he's really in place about how to win votes
43:02
Speaker 16: or otherwise. And we were very lucky to hang on.
43:05
Speaker 16: We're very lucky to hang on to government that year.
43:08
Speaker 16: So I think there should be perhaps a little introspection
43:11
Speaker 16: there and a little less gratuitous advice. With my state
43:15
Speaker 16: president's hat on, I would say we're a federated party
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Speaker 16: and it is a matter for the New South Wales
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Speaker 16: branch of the organization to deal with the membership of
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Speaker 16: that particular division of the organization. It's not something that
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Speaker 16: actually can be dealt with at a federal level. And
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Speaker 16: like I said, as a state president of another state,
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Speaker 16: I will not be telling the New South Wales division
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Speaker 16: how to suck ex.
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Speaker 2: Jemma. This is a friend of yours speaking Caroline. There
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Speaker 2: can you interpret that for me? Where she didn't say
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Speaker 2: get that sorry? Asked guy out of the party now.
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Speaker 14: Two reasons, Andrew, she's too smart to say that. She
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Speaker 14: didn't want to say it.
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Speaker 2: That is too smart and didn't want to what would
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Speaker 2: you do? But what would you do, Jim?
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Speaker 14: What would don't ask me what I do?
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Speaker 15: I am a very gracious and measured woman, Andrew, and
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Speaker 15: I would like to I would like to thoroughly endorse
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Speaker 15: the measured comments of my friend Madame Vice President all
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Speaker 15: honest Andrew jokes aside as a voter of the Liberal Parliament,
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Speaker 15: liberal voter, as you know, I'm not a member of
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Speaker 15: the party, though my politics are.
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Speaker 14: Hardly you know, finding behind a bushel.
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Speaker 15: I am so fed up with former prime ministers of
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Speaker 15: all persuasions, but particularly this former Prime minister who I
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Speaker 15: believe on his exit from government after as Caroline said,
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Speaker 15: assisting us, let's just say, after his exit.
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Speaker 14: From government, he promised not.
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Speaker 15: To be that person, and yet we find him constantly
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Speaker 15: offering unsolicited advice.
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Speaker 14: From the Chief Seeds.
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Speaker 15: And I also kind of find myself wondering why bother
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Speaker 15: asking him because it's kind of irrelevant.
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Speaker 14: He's not in a position of influence. He's not in
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Speaker 14: a position to influence a change.
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Speaker 2: So jam gem Andrew, I'm not in that business. You
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Speaker 2: know exactly why the andax Wax they ask him all
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Speaker 2: the time for a very predictable reason, because they know
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Speaker 2: they've said, oh, look, we're even handed. We're asking liberals
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Speaker 2: too to bag the Liberal Party that stuff.
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Speaker 15: If that is the case, genuinely the case, and that
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Speaker 15: is the intent behind it, and only the people interviewing
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Speaker 15: would know that.
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Speaker 14: But if that was the case.
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Speaker 15: Then shame on them because it's not it's not helpful
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Speaker 15: for you know, take a step back, purpose over preference.
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Speaker 15: This country is in desperate need of a radical course correction.
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Speaker 15: We have a government that is peddling lies in the
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Speaker 15: irony of it androids thinking today about the Labor Party
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Speaker 15: and they're disgusting lies about medi scare, you know, and
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Speaker 15: they're moral pontificating about you know, medi scare and what
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Speaker 15: the Coalition was allegedly going to do with Medicare.
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Speaker 14: And these people would not lie straight in I know,
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Speaker 14: I know.
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Speaker 2: Crooked more her Jim Chalmers today in Parliament. Jim Chalmers
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Speaker 2: today in Parliament saying the Liberals are taking orders from
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Speaker 2: gin Rhana. They do only what she wants complete laying
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Speaker 2: thoses are lie. He just throws it out there, LOILAILI
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Speaker 2: they don't care. But Caroline, you'll be delighted that you
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Speaker 2: and Yes, but Caroline, you'll be delighted that Jemma and
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Speaker 2: I have now answered about Malcolm turmol in a way
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Speaker 2: that you couldn't. But no doubt you were sitting there
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Speaker 2: loving it, but talking about the huge changes needed. The
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Speaker 2: rise and rise and irresistible rise are pauling hands and
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Speaker 2: our scars. Poul today showed the working class is the
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Speaker 2: most attracted to one nation, thirty five percent of them,
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Speaker 2: but only twenty one percent prefer labor, which is decided
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Speaker 2: has claimed to be the part of the working class,
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Speaker 2: with the Liberals just seventeen when they used to win elections,
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Speaker 2: fighting for Howard's Battler's we have a class for here,
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Speaker 2: upending the old assumptions. What do these figures tell you
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Speaker 2: about what the Liberals need to do well?
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Speaker 16: The Liberals need to get back to basics, and I
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Speaker 16: think we really saw that with the budget in reply,
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Speaker 16: and you talk about the working classes as a sort
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Speaker 16: of like amorphous, monolithic, but it's not. And particularly when
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Speaker 16: you're talking about Howard's Battler's or Tony's tradees or whatever,
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Speaker 16: you're talking about a lot of very small business or
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Speaker 16: micro business people who actually work for themselves. So there
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Speaker 16: is a little bit of distinction there, and I think
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Speaker 16: that is fair. I appreciate them.
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Speaker 2: No, that's going to go I get No, I got that,
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Speaker 2: except I would say this that the National Party for
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Speaker 2: a long time represented the poorest electorates in the country.
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Speaker 2: So that's one thing there. Jim and Tonini, Caroline Russell,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much to you both. Up next this
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Speaker 2: Sherry Markson with a great, great show. Goodnight,