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Ep. 28 | Ordinary Mystics: CTDW and Sasquatch & Sourdough Join Forces · Sasquatch & Sourdough

• 0:05
  SPEAKER_05: Hi everybody, welcome to Fellowship of the Fringe.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_05: The first live stream.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_01: Fuff.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_05: Fuff.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_05: Welcome to Fuff.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a good intro.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: This is terrible.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: Don't ever say that good.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: This is terrible.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_05: This is what happens when you're live.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_05: We're going to turn this off now.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_05: No, this is I'm really excited about this.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_05: It's been in the planning stages for like two months.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_05: When we started trying to figure out what we wanted to do.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: And it's primordial goo, just kind of sitting there figuring out what it was going to do.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: But why don't you share what you what what God laid on your heart for this?
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's that I think that really is the clincher.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it kind of all came together, but I think God really put it on your heart.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think it was really just taking a look around at this sort of growing fringe.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm noticing people use that terminology more.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_05: Like so it's becoming this more like kind of fringe Christian weird space.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and I was looking around at what other people were sort of doing, and everyone's kind of falling into these like niche ministries.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, well, wouldn't it be kind of cool if we just had this like open sort of like let's talk about it, let's talk about what people are seeing, let's talk about what people are talking about, experiencing, and see what God's doing in other people's audiences is a really big thing that I'm interested in.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_05: Cause we can't because we're kind of like in these little compartments, sure, you know.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_05: So I kind of thought that was an interesting way to just I'm I'm almost looking at it as like a small group, you know, where we can just kind of invite people and our audiences to come in and say, Hey, I'm experiencing this, or have you noticed that everyone's talking about end times?
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_05: Like what's going on with that?
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_05: What do you guys think about that?
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_05: You know, stuff like that, just kind of noticing the culture because we don't really have that over here.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: You mean in our space?
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: Is that what you mean?
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I I think in part that has to do with the fact that you know, you you have to ultimately ask what it is you're trying to accomplish, right?
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, are you trying to share the like really actually share truth and the gospel ultimately?
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: Are you trying to uh do that and also make money?
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: Which I you know, I'm not hating, I'm just saying it's one of the things you can do.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, are you just trying to make money?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what what's your goal?
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, really, what's your goal?
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so I think that plays into it.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we have to ask ourselves, I mean, that's where I was at.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, what do I want to do with this podcast?
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why am I doing this podcast?
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: We've been doing this for Shelly and I've been doing this for uh going on two and a half years now.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's a long time to do a podcast.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's very it's a very long time to do a podcast, but it's very it's also very easy to get burned out.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I think that goes with anything, frankly, but you have to really have a clear vision if you're gonna have an audience, right?
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have to, you have to know what you're gonna talk about.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I think that you, Shelley and I aligned on the fact that we really are interested in you know, like whatever we're doing reflecting Jesus, like clearly, clearly providing a path to him.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because otherwise, what are we doing, right?
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, if you want to make money, great, but you can't take it with you, bro.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's not going to the other side anyway.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: So if you get it, I'm not, you know, I'm I again I am not hating, like, I would love to do nothing but podcast and research.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be wonderful, right?
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: But for the meantime, let's have Kingdom Mind, right?
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_05: I mean that was kind of that was kind of like really I think what God was putting on my heart was like, I really want to see I want to know what people are seeing with their with their people, with their audience.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_05: Like, you know, who who are you talking to?
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_05: Like, what are you because because if you if we're looking at the space as these little ministries, you know, like which is kind of what we should be doing.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_05: Like that's the way we should view it.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_05: Some people are gonna be really super into eschatology, some people are really gonna be into this theory, some people are gonna be really into, you know, studying Ishtar, you know, some people are whatever it is, you know.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_05: Um, it's in a way, it's really funny because and I saw this really early on when I started listening to everything and before I started the podcast.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, is that as much as people are like, oh man, church culture, church culture, like we have we just get together and we end up being like a church culture.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean, that's just what it is.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's unavoid.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's humans are humans, dude.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: Humans are gonna be human.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: You can't avoid human if if you're gonna be one, right?
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's just it's kind of part and parcel with the whole identity.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think if you we can do one thing, one thing or the other, right?
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: We can hate on church all day, or we can try and buttress the the weak points in the wall and really be active, not only promoters of truth, but like, dude, let's invite the Holy Spirit to to what we're doing, man.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, don't just jump on your podcast, talk about a weird thing, and that's the end of it, man.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what did we learn?
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what did we get out of this?
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: What is our takeaway, right?
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and if you if you don't believe that, you don't agree with that, that's fine.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's yeah, nobody's here to debate you, you know, if unless that's what you want, right?
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: But really, like we're just trying to we're trying to find Jesus reflected in all aspects, even on a dark piece of obsidian, if it, if you will, you know, even if you pick up a dark stone and it's evil and creepy, and you're still gonna see Jesus reflected somewhere, man.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's impossible not to.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: He's there, he's hanging out.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, um, Shell says she didn't get a link by chance.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_05: I sent her an email.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: Let me tell her, check your email.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's in her, it's in her email.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_05: The one that you it was like the one that you sent me.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I sent you my well, yeah.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: I check I didn't get the one for uh the Christian Theological Darkweb at gmail.com, but um I did on my own personal one.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_05: I just copied and pasted um here.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: Can I if I chat to you, is that gonna it's just us?
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_05: Well, don't put her email pump.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to avoid.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: Here, I'll just text you.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's you can keep going.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, oh so one hip kitty was the one I sent it to.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that's the one.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, well that's she should have it.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, just two and one hip kitty.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, that was kind of I guess just really the heart of it is you know, I want people to just and I think we were talking about which I think is awesome.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_05: Some there are podcasts that started really just weird and talking, like Blurry Creatures, for instance.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_05: Dude, they're doing amazing.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_05: Tony Merkel is doing like amazing.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_05: Also, everybody, please keep his wife in prayer, deeply in prayer, yes, and Bo also, Bo Kennedy and his wife as well.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what's going on with them.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: You you were much more plugged in than anyone else.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_05: I think he mentioned in his last episode um that his wife is having, I think, some sort of thyroid thyroid issue that they're trying to suss out.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_05: So just yeah, we should just be really praying for this community in general.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_05: But like when those big prayer requests are out, I always try to, you know, you know that's on.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good point that you make about prayer requests.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: We I mean that's that's one of the most important things if you're in front of people, you know, giving any kind of instruction at all.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: You need you really need prayer covering, you really need it.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't think I've ever been as attacked as much as I have in the past little bit when the Lord's like, hey, get your stuff in order.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I just I guess I haven't thought about it until you said it, but I'm like, man, it would have been really nice if I knew that such and such was praying for or anyone was praying for me.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: Not hating, but rather I'm just saying, you know, it's it's good to to for other people to know that, hey dude, I'm thinking about you and praying for you, man.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, absolutely, yeah.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: Fighting through this, that, and the other.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: But um, especially on us smaller podcasts, I mean, that's really important, right?
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like nobody in doubting in their mind that everybody's praying for Tony Wor Merkel's wife, which is awesome, right?
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but um, it's important to keep your your smaller brothers and sisters in in the loop and on the big thing.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_05: That was kind of another like reason that I wanted to do this.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_05: Like, my hope is that some of the other, like, you know, our little small friends will come and like we can just have this big fellowship.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, dude.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_05: There's room, there's so many more little squares that we can have on this little conversation.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know, right?
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: As many as Riverside will allow.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I don't even know what the max is, actually.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think that we can do on StreamYard.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: Ours is the phone's an expensive one.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: But ours allows for like I think 10 or something like that.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_05: So okay.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: Which is a pretty pretty decent amount.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's not Zoom, but uh yeah.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: Zoom's like a million or some crap.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's definitely Zoom is a lot.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, cool.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: Shelly found it, she should log on pretty quick here.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_05: Um but yeah, that's really just the heart of it is um I just want to create a space.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_05: I I feel like that's just got what God was doing is just like create this space and just see who comes.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_05: That's awesome.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_05: It's just one of those things where it's like, hey, I know how to do it, and let's just kind of open up the door.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: Let it rock and roll.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_05: And let's see what happens.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: Heck yeah.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, but we we did have at some point, I think, because you always want to try to have like a top topic, you know.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_05: I always try to do that.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_05: Like, what can we get our minds around?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_05: Like, so we were talking about uh blurry creatures episode with John Eldridge.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and then I made us all get the book.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't watch, I just read, I started reading the book instead.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: I was just like, I'm just gonna go.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know, lately I I don't hate don't hate me for this, anybody who's watching, but lately I've been like not on podcasts, and I've really just been like in like books, like just really trying to absorb and because I like hearing it from people, but sometimes I feel like dude, there's so much more meat if I can just read the thing, you know.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_05: Um, really I'm no, I'm opposite.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: I get I was there for a long time too because like I, you know, I don't know.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: I guess it's just like uh these are some of these things I'm like, I like to maybe this is what it is.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like I hear other people say it, and I'm like, whoa, that's really fascinating.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: I really wish I understood that.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I get it, but I don't really get it.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so when someone asks me about it, I'm like, I don't really know how to explain it.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, well, wait, maybe I don't really get what I'm talking about.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I have to, when I go and research, I find like, oh yes, that's what this means.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's what I think about this.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_05: I definitely there's some things that I'll watch and then I'm like, oh, I'm gonna check that out and I want to look a little bit deeper.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_05: But then I I think I'm just in this like season of life where I'm just I don't have as much as I want to like sit and do that.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I just don't have it.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_05: I get it.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_05: It's just one of those times where I'm just like, yeah, I don't know.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can't make everything work all the time.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: I totally understand.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and you definitely have to pick and choose, I think, because you know, you don't want to burn out.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_05: That's a big uh big, big thing.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: She'll uh shall by the way, she's she's waiting to be let in.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_05: Um really?
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, just she's telling me here.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, maybe it's an old one.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_05: Uh let me go back to people.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you you're right about that though, dude.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's all maybe that's what part of it is too, like much learning to mature and pace yourself.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like this year, that is what been what this whole year has been for me.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, God's like, get your crap in order, bruh.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like you can't you can't just let things dwindle.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: So, like really, like in all aspects, I've really been like kind of okay, this, this, this, this, this free time.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: This, this, this, this, this, more free time.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I'm sympathetic because it's hard to read.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I have a designated amount of time that I want to read stuff during the day, and I don't usually get to do it.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it just happened, you know, it sucks.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, it's it's part of life.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think that that's that really is the point where we need to learn to to let God have grace with us, you know, that He's gonna that He His grace is sufficient to supply for all of our needs, because there's a lot of them.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of needs, you know what I mean?
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, all the time.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, we're just constantly I feel like sometimes that's just all my prayer is just like I help me.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, man.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_05: All right, how I'm trying to figure this out.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know why she's not even weird.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_05: It should just let her in.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, Riverside.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Riverside is weird.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, I'm sending her the link now.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say, okay.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: She's sending you a little bit.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_05: Tell her I'm sending her another link and see if that'll I don't know why.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_05: It should just like you just hogged on.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_05: You didn't have a yeah, I found it to wait.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: I looked for your name.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: I looked for Sasquatch Source.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: She says she's she's trying to get in.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: You find you sent it to her Google, is that right?
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_05: But I don't have a way of like that's weird.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_05: It it's not telling me that someone is waiting.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_05: Is the thing.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_05: So I don't understand.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'm at people.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and you can see it too, so it's weird.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I sure can.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: That is weird.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: Why can I see it?
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_05: Um, why can you see it?
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_05: Uh what's happening here?
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: Who are you?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on?
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_05: Where are we?
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_05: I know we are in the twilight zone.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if I send her my invite.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: Do that.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, do that and see what happens.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_05: See.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my goodness.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_05: I know.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: I it's all good.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is trial and error, dude.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: This is the first one.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're gonna put it online like, well, I wish I would have joined live.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you shoulda.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: You should have joined live.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_05: Should have been there, bro.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: Good woulda shoulda.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there she is.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_04: Shelly's here.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_04: My I'm using my laptop camera.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_04: My my good camera's not working.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_04: That's just one of those things.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_04: It's always a thing.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's all good.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_04: You're here, Shelly.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: She's just stuck with Shelly.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, I'm not putting a line.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's just shell today.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_04: You know what?
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't even have uh an option until right now.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_04: So, oh.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm still gonna have to bounce early because we are going to dinner after all.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, well, no problem with that.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, how you doing?
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: How are you doing, friend?
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, it's it's it's been an interesting week.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_04: Good, but I know I like dusted some powder on and I was like, ooh, I look tired.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_03: Tired.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_04: No, you don't.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_04: I do.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_04: You look ready to roll.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_04: Shelly's ready.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_04: As ready as I'm gonna get at this point.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, it is what it is, right?
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, we're here.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: So we were just sharing, Shell, about how this um Christina's kind of um vision for this is really just to kind of extend the tendrils out into the other podcasts in the fringe Christian space and see what people are doing and see what their audiences are responding with, and kind of um, I guess network specialties, but also have a place where fellowship is possible as well.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like, because that's super it's super necessary and it's super it's very important.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Absent.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_05: I think it is lacking.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_05: I really a lacking comes to my mind.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_05: Like I really think that it is sort of lacking because oh, go ahead.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, go ahead and say, like I uh shared with y'all when we were chatting.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um I really feel that God has called us to be um sinu.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_04: You know, he's he's raising dry bones.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but those bones aren't gonna move if they don't have connection.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_04: And that's where we're at.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_04: We're at a place where he's he's creating um uh an army of of warriors for his kingdom, and we need to, you know, he puts the bones together.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_04: Um but we're to be the sinew, the connective tissue, so that uh those bones can move, and then from there, you know, he'll he'll breathe his his uh uh breath of power into it.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_05: That is such an awesome picture.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_04: It was a it was a really pretty cool uh I hate to say it this way, but download from God, you know.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, vision makes me feel too m too mystical.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_04: Oh but we're we were supposed to be talking about it.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we're supposed to be ordinarily mystical.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, we didn't even let you finish.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, go ahead, that's not sit comfortably with me, you know, in my post art modern Americanism.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_04: No, wow, I'm I I'm like, oh, don't don't call me a mystic.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_04: People might take that wrong, even though I mean God is totally mystical, and so is his kingdom.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_04: It is it is magical, it is not mundane, and and I think the enemy has tried to make the kingdom of God very mundane, and people are just like, uh, Christians, meh, no, not uh Christians, meh.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we we we walk in power, we bring the fire of the Holy Ghost with us.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and that's been on my heart today, like all day.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_05: Because I'm hearing that a lot where people, I don't know if people are just getting weary.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know if like everyone's talking about the same thing.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I just don't know.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_05: There just seems to be a lot of I I heard this really good.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know if you guys see now this is it gets really deep.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_05: But like, oh that's it, so let's go.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_05: I love I love the YouTube channel end times productions.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I don't know if you guys know those guys.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_05: Man, they produce awesome content, and it's not always like super scary, but for the most part, it's just like, hey, ready up, you know, and they had this.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I'm not, I was never familiar with him.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, Jamie Walden was on, and he was just spitting fire.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_05: Like he was just like, guys, whatever's going on right now, like just we need to be like ready.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_05: We need to be an example.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_05: Like, he was just really speaking into it felt like a we're like a really weary, weary, like world-worn Christian, where you can just get so like not lazy, but complacent.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_05: You know, we can get really just like, oh, cozy, you know, everything is just give me a little, give me a little bit of, you know, little couple Bible verses and everything.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean?
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_05: Don't mess with my comfort.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm amazed that people slouched back into that after COVID.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm really amazed that they slouched so easy.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: I did, yeah, I am not comfortable.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I am Troy Brewer uncomfortable in my life right now.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like God's like, oh, you want to get your finances in order.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm not even lying.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: I told Shelley this, but I haven't told you this, Christina.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: God point blank told me when I was praying.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Lord, this is this is stupid.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like I've never had finance problems like this ever.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I've had problems with finances.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't grow up rich at all, like, not even a little bit.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but like I got lambasted in the past six weeks, like lambasted with thing after thing.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I would pay this thing off, and I was like, okay, I've set this money apart, I can make sure I can pay this.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I was being legit as responsible as humanly possible, and it just wouldn't stop.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: And the Lord tells me, He goes, Oh, I'm letting it happen.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm letting the enemy attack you.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I go, What?
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: Why are you doing that?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, are you trying to make me Job 2.0, bro?
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what is going on?
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: And he goes, I want you to trust me, and this is the only way to get you to trust me.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so um, what's the uh what if we had to make this a musical reference, it would be um through the fire and the flames is kind of how it's been feeling for the last little bit here, right?
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_05: Like it's or if we wanted to go to Lord of the Rings or Hobbit, we could go.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_05: What is the what's the one uh chapter where it's uh out of the out of the frying pan and into the fire?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_05: That's where you are, buddy.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_05: I'm sorry, man.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's okay.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's all right, dude.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's been deep.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: There's a cure in it though.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it is.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: I will tell you though, something that happened that I was like flabbergasted with.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: They were like, hey, you haven't been so they this is another thing.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: Two weeks ago, they're like, hey, you haven't been traveling, so we're taking away your incentive for uh working at home.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you're not gonna be able to make your eight-hour workday anymore.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's that we're gonna do away with that program.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, You guys told me I could work from home.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's why I did it, you know?
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so I've been trying to renegotiate for like two weeks.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: I've been trying to renate renegotiate my rates.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so they send me, they finally, I was like, hey, I'm not gonna work with you guys if you're not gonna send me rates.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just not gonna do it.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go find work elsewhere.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: And they finally respond, and they're like, Here, we'll pay you an additional hundred dollars a day if you'll be on site.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Okay, I'll travel to San Antonio.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds good, I'll do it.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm not gonna do it every day, but I'll do it.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, there's you know, there's there's blessing in the obedience, but it It's yeah it's it can be very, very painful.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: Very painful.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's not fun.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_04: Rick, you have to sit up taller.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I mean I'm trying to get all of it in the shot.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: Is that better?
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's much better.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: All right, cool.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_05: Shelly, yes.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_05: Shelly, first of all, thank you.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you for producing this thing.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_05: Because if we if you wouldn't have given us direction, then we would look back at the at the post-recording and be like, where did Ricky?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_05: We have no Ricky.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_04: We see his.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, they're cool glasses, BTW, but the awesome beard was missing.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's C T D W, not B C D.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, but those are like, I don't know, those are the it's just that pruning time, right?
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_05: Where it's just like you gotta cut off all the the dead stuff, and he's just making room.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_05: And I think, I mean, you probably know this.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_05: I don't really probably need to even speak this into you, but you know you're not alone in this.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_05: Everyone's kind of feeling a lot.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_05: There's a lot of things.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter if if I know it or not.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's always good to hear it.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm uh I'm I'm uh words of encouragement, by the way.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, there's your love language.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_04: That's nice.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_04: I uh like other every other male.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_04: We are right there with you, Rick.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_04: Somehow I did our taxes in um, I mean, not somehow I did our taxes, I always do our taxes, but somehow um Danny had nothing taken out last year.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, so we owe nine grand.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, okay, Lord, um, we can do this, whatever you're doing through this.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, all right.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_04: Like it hit me out of the blue.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, that's a decent, and maybe maybe not to everybody else, but to me, I'm like, oh, that's a decent used car.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_04: You know, nine grand.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's that's some cash, dude.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's not that's not a small chunk of change.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but you know what, and and uh it's gonna whatever.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_04: Why preface it?
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_04: Hi, I'm me.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_04: I I was in the bathroom before Bible study started on Wednesday night.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_04: Don't be too graphic, there's no need to do that.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_04: But I was talking to God because you know, I have um one of one of my uh brothers in Christ, man, he is so cool.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_04: Michael, I know I I talk about Michael a lot.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um he's he's come out of like the mean streets.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_05: And is that the guy that's the ex-Satanist?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_04: No, he that's that's just he is No, he's the ex-hit man, right?
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_04: I mean he's so cool.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_04: Like when Bandido, right?
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's the word you're thinking of?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the ex-bandido.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_04: Oh um he he um like he blesses my socks off when when I first saw him, God was like, This is my warrior, and I was like, Well, good, because I've been praying for warriors for a long time.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_04: Like sometimes the church is so emaciated.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know how else to put it.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_04: Like, godly men a lot of times are just kind of like you're not very impressed with godly boys, yeah.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, right and so I've been praying for a long time because it's hard for a godly young man to become a godly warrior with Mr.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_04: Rogers as his, and I'm not knocking Mr.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_04: Rogers, he's pretty great, you know.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_04: But when everybody is Mr.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_04: Rogers and there's there's no um Hulk Hogan or you know, there needs to be a needs to be some some kick butt lawyer Christian men out there, and um and and that's Michael is to me like so so much.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we were talking about Job, and you know, Job was sitting in ashes, right?
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_04: Because he he's uh uh mourning the loss of his everything, but especially I would assume his children, and he's got these boils, and the word tells us specifically that he's using a shard of par pottery to scratch himself.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: To scrape it off.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_04: That's the old-fashioned way of um making tattoos that you rub ash really into open wounds.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so they would do gouges and put ash in it, and that's where the coloring came from.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_04: And and my brother Michael is tatted, like tat face tattoos, head tattoo.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_04: He's he's tatted.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_04: And um when we were talking about that with about Job, I thought, man, Job looks like Michael.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_04: When we get to heaven and we meet Job, he's gonna be this dark-skinned guy with these dark tattoos from scratch and himself.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_05: Um Wow, I never even I don't even think I even got that imagery, Sean.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_04: I I have a very I have a very vivid storytelling brain.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_04: But I was in the bathroom and I was thinking about Michael because we'd just been chatting about stuff because he's he's going through it.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_04: Um but God's given him victory, and and and I know this.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_04: And um and I was in the bathroom and I was thinking of things that Rick and I had talked about um during the vid.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um with with the way f the the fear demons leveled up during that.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_04: Did you notice how like anxiety now is widespread and totally acceptable in the church?
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_04: Like we're not told over 300 times not to be anxious or fearful and to be strong and courageous and to be of good courage, but constantly.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but I saw them I I saw, and I mean I didn't CC, but I in in this spirit, I just I really recognize this leveling up of these demons.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_04: And um and I was thinking about that, but I was thinking about the way that God is leveling up his body, he's never gonna let us be um have gosh, I don't think you guys are gonna cringe.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_04: He's never gonna let us have less XP.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_04: Is that that's the power, right?
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_04: Guys, I don't video game.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like maybe Tetris.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_04: But he's he's never gonna let us have less power than the enemy.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_04: He's told us right that that we have the power to be his witnesses.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_04: That's what the Holy Ghost is for, right?
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_04: So we have this power.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um I don't know how that looks in in the spirit realm.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_04: I I don't understand uh the kingdom of God as well as I would like to, but but I'm I'm there in the bathroom and I'm I just was kind of like thanking God for the fact that with every new thing the enemies come up with, like God's right there.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_04: And he's like, Oh yeah, watch this.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, watch this, you know, and and I think that's such a cool thing that he is he is leveling up a whole new not kind of Christianity, but uh a whole new space for Christianity, and I feel like that's where we are, we're kind of pioneering um with with the other people in the same space that we're in.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_04: And like Tony Merkel, you know, um his wife was just diagnosed.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_04: We just talked about that, yeah.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_04: And like I I have been praying for them.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know, I saw him uh, you know, the confessionals, I don't know, a year ago, whenever it was, and he was talking about how hard the enemy was coming against him in like God said prayer with this guy.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_04: And so I've been praying for him.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_04: And so as soon as he he came out, you know, a couple weeks ago with with this diagnosis, I was like, Oh yeah, watch what God's gonna do.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_04: And he's like, I'm going nuclear on the enemy.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_04: He thought this would like stop us in our tracks or whatever.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-uh.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_04: Now you watch, you watch what God's gonna do.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_04: And and and that's the attitude I have, that's the feeling I have is oh, watch, God's going nuclear.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_04: You you can never ever outdo him.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_05: I love that.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_05: It's interesting because I like I've been seeing a lot of that too.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_05: I feel like this is I feel like God's just taking this in a direction that's all the same.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_05: But maybe not the book.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_05: Surprise.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_05: No, we're not totally not talking about the book.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but um it's just really interesting because I I've seen a lot of podcasters say the same thing, and like, you know, I guess I could feel the I feel like an attack is happening.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_05: Like we were saying, like Bo Kennedy's experiencing sort of the same thing, and he's been very open about that.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_05: But I it's interesting for me because I've just been kind of going through this like experience of I have have literally like I have a family of five, like my parents are divorced, and then it's like me, my brother, and sister.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_05: Three out of the five uh have cancer.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_05: And one is a very serious and is actually going through chemo, starting chemo.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_05: And so it's like crazy, but I could look at that and say, like, oh, well, that's an attack, but I guess for me, I I my brain never goes there, and I just I try to just continually just be like, Yeah, well, you know, it's a spirit of the age.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I'm supposed to expect this, so I how do I warfare through it?
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_05: How do I power through that?
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_05: Like, you guys experience the same thing, or yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, I totally understand what you're saying.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_05: It's I guess I don't name it and like then give it a lot of attention.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I just kind of am like you're a product of your time, right?
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're product of your time, just like we all are, and just what Shelly said is is 100% on point.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: We're a product of postmodernism, right?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: Postmodernism is in our bones, it's all the way in the in the marrow, right?
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so learning to readjust and realign with the word is extremely uncomfortable, it's extremely painful, um, but the payoff is so good.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's so good.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, I mean, I'm like that too.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a pretty, I'm not a pretty chill guy, I'm a really chill guy.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like really chill, probably chiller than is is healthy sometimes.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and I'm the same way.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just like, you know, it's it's all right, you know, like it's God's gonna take care of it, blah, blah.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes God's like, yeah, but you're supposed to do stuff, you know, like I didn't just put you there for no reason, right?
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_04: Like I Oh Shelley, we lost your kids.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, we do not see.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, yeah, I told you I'm having camera issues.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh well, I'm glad you're on with us.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I guess more recently it it's just been the more that I kind of nestle into this this understanding of God's word, it it becomes more comfortable to to get in that mode.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: But it's not it's not natural.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a natural human response.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, it's not.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: It takes it takes work.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: It really does take work.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I don't I don't know why I don't know why we're put off by that.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like any other mystic takes the time and the work to to put in to figure out how to get to the heightened states of ecstasy or the deep intimate uh meditation, right?
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean they they take all shouldn't maybe intimate's not the word, but deep meditation, right?
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: To to get where they want to be.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't I don't see why any like the human experience is any different for any of us.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: We're just enshrouded with this idea that Christianity is is friendly, is uh you know, jovial at every waking moment.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: Rainbows.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Sunshine uh out of your out of your pocket and out of your butt, you know, just everywhere.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: Sunshine's everywhere.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's where it's at.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_05: Christianity also, I think, like on the other end of that spectrum, too, is like is judgmental, right?
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_05: Like we're supposed to be worried about what everybody else is doing and like you know, casting out everyone, you know, not casting out, but you know, giving everybody their sin.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_05: You know, this is your you you look at you're doing, look what you're doing.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_05: And I guess that's just kind of immature.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_05: It's a maturity issue, I suppose.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_05: That's a hard issue.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_04: That's a hard issue.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_05: It's that's yeah, that's an easy issue.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: But a hard issue is also a maturity issue, right?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_05: Like it's I think that I got that from the book that we're supposed to be in everyone.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_05: Experience Jesus Freely.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, which that's which John Eldridge, right?
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: Eldridge.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_05: John Eldridge.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_04: So that's another writer, Christian writer of the same.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: I know that name.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: But Eldridge, uh he I really have liked the book, and I I like that he wanted to name the book Ordinary Mystics.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, but nobody would let me sell it and then buy it.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_04: Like, yeah, no, you can you can't have that in a in a Christian bookstore yet.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_05: But what I'm learning from it though is that you're right, it's a constant, it's constant work.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_05: And it's nothing new that Paul didn't write in all of his letters, too.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I mean, we we've known this.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_05: Like, it's constant work.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_05: We have to die daily, we have to do this all the time, sometimes multiple times.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_05: We're always in a war.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_04: So we don't understand that die daily and we're always in a war.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, correct.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: And and and our our war is is extremely difficult uh for a lot of reasons, right?
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like in all times past, die daily, people were like, Yeah, I get it.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, now we're like die daily, like, whoa, well, that's that's a subjective thing.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you can really put a spin on it however you want.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_05: Or like my order was wrong at Starbucks.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_05: Like, why are you giving me your hardest battles?
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_05: I was just thinking the same thing.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, oh well, I'm down to just one coffee a day.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh, the hardest battles.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: I Rob is like God's warrior.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: Always says that like he compares like Western Christianity.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, we have a toothache and we think that God hates us, and the Chinese like can barely make ends meet and feed themselves and their children, and they're like, Glory be to God.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: All perfection is his, and we're like, uh, you know, like um exactly.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_05: Go check out like the underground Chinese church and see, then come back and tell us.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, my heart don't get my heart started, man.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna push me in that direction.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's easier for them though to trust in God than it is for us to.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's way easier.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_04: That's a really, really good point, Shaw.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's way easier.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because we have it right.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_04: We're just like I mean, to us not getting our coffee right, like, come on, really?
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_04: Why is that a big deal?
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_04: But it is, it'll mess up somebody's whole entire morning if they let it.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_05: If they're not can so that's what I'm learning about this from this book, really seriously.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_05: It's been grounding for me.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_05: I just doing the morning prayer that he has, and I know it's scripted, but it gets me in that space.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_02: For what?
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_05: And honestly, if it were just me like trying to do it, you know, on my own, I would just be nadtering on and I would stop paying attention, and then I would be thinking so.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_05: This is like I am reading it and I'm doing it every day.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_05: And it's been amazing because I feel like it's getting me prepared to face those battles, yeah, to face what the enemy is gonna throw at me.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_05: And I don't think that everything is the enemy.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_05: Well, no, because cancer happens.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_05: We're in a broken fallen world, sure.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_05: And we are we also just shove crap from the sky on top of our people.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_05: So there we go.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_05: Don't get me started.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_04: But we're we're all parents here, so we all understand that um a parent disciplines the children that they love.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_04: You know, as a matter of fact, the the word basically says, and and sorry, I can't give you chapter and verse.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but it it basically, if God's not disciplining you, you better make sure you're not a bastard.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, of course we we have cleaned that up for our English speaking audiences, you know.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_04: Well, but that that is what it is.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Bastard's not a swear word.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_04: Well, no, it's not.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_04: It we say it more as then you are you really a legitimate son, you know, is is is the the prettier way that it's um read from the pulpit.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_04: But that's what it is, is it's it's if if you're not experiencing discipline, and I'm not saying cancer is discipline, I I think that that that is the fallen world.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um right, it but I also think there are things we can do.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_04: So remind me, we'll talk about uh nicine and how it will dissolve a blastoma in three days, 72 hours.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, they were doing we're not saying start smoking.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, there's other ways to get nicine.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, because because the way because the stuff see, like even that, like uh when when when the you know when the word tells us like all things in moderation, right?
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like the word wasn't talking about all the extra chemicals that people put in crap today.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's that farming.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: All of our food, there's nothing there's nothing like regulated or or even yeah moderate about any of our food.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's not real food.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: So how are you gonna how do you moderate food that's not food?
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_05: Like it's very, very true.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, that's a whole different you know, it is.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not trying to go down that rabbit trail, but that might, you know what I mean.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_05: Was it Hebrews 12 16?
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_05: Could be or 12-6.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_05: I'm uh for the Lord disciplines the one he loves and he chastises every son whom he receives.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it it may be that one.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_04: There's talks about discipline quite a bit, you know.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, go ahead, Rick.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: I I no no no, you're good, you're good.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: I just my wife just meant she just showed me this, and I was like, whoa, that's wild.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: So she was a while back, not that far back, uh, because we've been right in the middle of this uh entrenched.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: I I swear to you guys, like April felt like three years to me.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: It was so rough to get through.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um and she was like, she's like, I'm done.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not doing this anymore.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, How come I'm obedient all the time and I get punished for it?
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like I didn't leave my home like like the prodigal son did, and then everybody welcomes the prodigal son back with arms wide open, right?
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: She was super, she was super pissed, she was mad, and she was talking to God.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, Why do why are you punishing me for being obedient?
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so on and so forth.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, there's always something to learn, and God's always like, Yeah, but you know, this thing over here.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: But that's neither here nor there.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: What I'm getting at is what she showed me, because she had showed she had told me about that about two weeks ago, yeah.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: And she she says, Hey, I saw this really interesting thing about the prodigal son coming home, and I really want you to watch it.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Okay.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: So she shows me this pastor who has a flower pot in his hand, a clay flower pot, and he was explaining that when someone would leave their village and it was to per pursue worldly lusts, it was like the whole village would set out clay pots when this person would leave, right?
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: This kid would leave.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: And when that kid came back, having you know pissed away all of his his father's fortune in this case, right?
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they would they would literally grab that clay pot, run out to this kid, smash it on the ground, and basically scream in his face and be like, May the Lord make your life like this pot and never bless you in anything.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_01: May your life be destroyed in a million people, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: So, and the way they did that is they had a scout, right, that would obviously make sure they had several scouts, I'm sure, in at every village, making sure that if there was something coming, they could defend themselves or they could prepare or whatever.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so when they would see an individual like this prodigal son, they would know, they would be advised about it, and they would come out running with these pots.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, come to find out, the whole reason that that parable is so powerful is not the 21st century understanding we have.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's that the father saw his son from far away and outran the villagers so that he could reach his son, but so that they couldn't place that curse on him.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_04: Because they could just got to kill his son because it is in the law for disrespecting his parents.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_04: And so yeah, it w when the father goes and and beats everybody to his son, he gets to exonerate his son, and that's the only way the child could have exoneration.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_05: And that's what Jesus does for us.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: And get this.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: And my wife told me, and check this out, this is even cooler.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: So this is a this is a life lesson for all of us, too.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, What's not told is that the other son also got his inheritance and went nowhere and did nothing.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh wow.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: He just sat there on it and didn't do anything.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm not telling you go out and piss your life away.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you, when you go out and you make mistakes and you're trying to get it right, God, God's patience and benevolence is there, right?
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: His forgiveness is there.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's very powerful, it's an extremely powerful story when you understand the Jewish context behind it.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_04: And Jesus, Jesus addresses this in a different parable where he instead of talking uh about the the amazing father, which I think would have been a better title for that parable instead of you know the prodigal son, but it's the loving father.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um cultural context.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_04: But it's it's the laborers, the the um owner of the field contracts with laborers, you know.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_04: I'll give everybody uh a coin, a gold coin for doing their labor.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_04: And so the guys who come in at six and work from 6 a.m.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_04: to 6 p.m., they get their coin.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_04: But the dudes who came in at noon also got a coin and and they're ticked off, you know, the guys that were there since 6 a.m., they're like the crap.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_04: And and he is like, well, is isn't that what you contracted with me for?
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_04: Well, then why are you what what's your problem?
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_04: And and I think that most Christians at some point in time feel like the good son, the son who stayed at home.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_04: But I stayed faithful.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_04: Isn't that what you contracted to do?
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, and it's it's not very fair, and none of us like to hear it.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, but you know, I I want you to overlook what I do wrong, but I want you to praise all my tiny little things.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_04: It's like the husband who does the dishes with the one time, babe, did you see I did all these dishes?
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_04: Look how good the dishes look, and she's like, whatever.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_04: Right, you know, do the dishes all the time.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, Rick, to single out your your gender.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, sorry, sorry, two against one.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_05: Well, no, Shell, that that just made me think of you know the the whole like concept the contract, right?
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_05: Like, in what was the what part of the clause at the contract was that?
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_05: That was probably like your baseline expectation.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_05: Like, of course, like this is basic stuff.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_05: Like my pastor says all the time, like there are some angry Christians in this church, you know, you've been a Christian for 40 years, and like what's the fruit?
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_05: You know, you're still nasty, you're not, you know, you're not you know, maybe you're not even serving the church or you're or other people, you're not asking how you're just like, yep, I got saved.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_05: I'm done.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_05: My ticket, my ticket is punched, I'm gonna run that train to Jesusville.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_05: And they're still gonna be, they'll still be in glory, they'll still be there.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_05: I now I can't speak to what is gonna be.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, they might be on the very, very outskirts, they might not have the best job in heaven, like you know, but my and and people are like that all the time in every space where it's just kind of like okay, well, I did it, you know, this is my this is what I'm doing, and you know what, and or you know, the uh my heart is like I just want to keep my hand on the plow on how can I serve him and his baby.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_04: I want to hear well done.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_04: It but Paul addresses this too, this crazy, this is uh where I was reading this morning in my devotions.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I was just talking to my my boss about this as well because he's a believer, and and I went into chat with him for 15 minutes and it turned into an hour and a half.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_04: But um uh Romans, I don't know, it's chapter four, five or six, because those are what I uh was in this morning.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_04: And um Paul is saying if you accept the grace, it doesn't matter what you do or don't do, you're under grace.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_04: It's you're under grace.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_04: We don't get brownie points for all the rights, we don't get demerits for all the wrong.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_04: We're under grace.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, I this morning I was kind of like, okay, Lord, well, what are you trying to to say to me here with this, you know, and then um I didn't feel like I had a definite answer, but throughout my day today, it's like, oh, that's what you're saying.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay, and that's and then you know, Paul goes on to address it.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not saying, oh, what then?
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_04: If sin abounds, grace does that much more abound, so should we go on sinning so that grace will ever abound more?
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_04: No, of course not.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_04: But right, but no matter what we do, uh in the end, it's it's nothing.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_04: It it is nothing but the grace of God and Christ proving his love for us in this while we were yet sinners, he died for the ungodly, you know, and and I think that that sorry guys is something we have to um contend with within ourselves all the time.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, you know, um, it's by grace that I'm saved, yes, and and it's all about faith, yes, but faith without works is dead, so works fit in here somehow, so I'll get, you know, and it's just like it's like guys, can't you understand?
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_04: Your debt was so great that no matter all if you did good 24 hours a day, seven days a week for your whole entire life from birth to death, it wouldn't pay off one one millionth of our debt.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_04: It's like there's nothing we can do to usuage our guilt.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's only grace.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_05: When I was younger and in church and losing my faith because I basically, because that always got me.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's me.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: Just thought about that song with a game.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_05: Do you remember how amazing that video was?
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_05: I've actually never watched it.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not gonna watch it.
• 51:01
  unknown: What?
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't, I'm not, I wasn't an 80s guy, dude.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: I just put it.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_05: First of all, it was in the 90s.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: It was 80s, it's leftover.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_05: It was MTV.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_05: Dude, already.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_05: Hold on.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_05: It was if the cable didn't get turned off that week, that's we were lucky.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_05: Fair enough.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_05: But so anyway, um, you have to watch that video.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_05: It's a great video.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_05: It's like so oh my gosh, do it anyway.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but so I remember sitting there and hearing that, hearing that story of God's grace and what he did.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_05: And of course, in the Catholic context, I feel like it's a little bit more guilty as charged feeling when it's delivered.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_05: It's not like that anymore.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_05: I've heard some really good homilies.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and so it's they're kind of doing like a little bit of a reformation with the way they're sort of things charismatic charismaticism, charismatic charismaticism.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_01: It is, it's charismatic.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_05: Charismaticism is charismatics, charismatic Catholics.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_05: But I remember thinking like, well, I like being seven or eight or nine, ten, I didn't do anything.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_05: Like, why did he die for me?
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_05: I haven't done anything.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I'm a good kid.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_05: Like, you just don't understand.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and I think sometimes we forget when we say, you know, when you died, or um, you know, your your sin.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_05: It's the collective, it's all of it.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_05: Because at the cross, he felt everything.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's like the whole question, right?
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was the Jews that killed him.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was the Christians that killed him.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: No, dude, everybody killed him.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_04: I can't even have a claim to that sacrifice.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and actually the whole argument's kind of a moot point because Christ says Christ told us, you know, like, no man, no man can take my life from me, I give it up freely.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_04: Right, right, right.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: Which is the most metal thing you can possibly say.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_04: I know my boss was saying today he we were talking about grace, and um, and he was like, he got like tear, teared, teary-eyed, and he's like, he's a dude.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_04: He's not like nah, he's he's a he's a kick-your-butt dude.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_04: And um he was like, Grace, he said at any moment he could have called down every one of his angelic hosts, like all of them, yeah, and he didn't for the joy set before him.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_04: And we were we were talking about the joy set before him, and like how cool is that! Yeah, I was reading in Isaiah 52, I believe, and and then obviously into 53, because that's the best chapter in maybe the whole Bible.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um but it it's a Jewish changer.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_04: The forbidden chapter.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um but in 52 it says the that he is he was torn away from the land of the living and his um his prosperity who who could see.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_04: And um and and that's old timing language of saying he died childless.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um but Jesus' prosperity was the joy set before him.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_04: We are his children.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_04: And and so that um and and I'm not doing justice, I actually did a pretty heartfelt uh public note on um you version Bible for that scripture.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_04: I think I was reading it on Easter either on Easter or the day after or the day before Easter, I was just like like I was crying while I was typing it out because I was just like, oh my gosh, Lord.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_04: And and then the because the New Testament answers that old testament, the the questions and the and and so like who who could um I should just pull it up.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_04: When it says who who could um see his prosperity, uh then immediately my heart went to for the joy set before him, Christ endured the cross, despising its shame.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um and it was yeah, I don't know, for me it was uber powerful, but you know how that is, and God speaks to you, and you're like, you guys, it's the greatest thing ever.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_04: And everybody else is like, oh my gosh.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_04: And you're like, I know, I get it.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_04: God speaks to God speaks to you, and he doesn't always everybody else doesn't always on the same page.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um different, different people are at different places.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so it's Isaiah 52, starting at verse 13.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_04: Ah, look at me already, like Nover Clem.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, behold, my servant will prosper, he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_04: Just as many were appalled at him.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_04: Oh man.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_04: His appearance was disfigured beyond that of any man, and his form was marred beyond human likeness.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_04: So he will sprinkle many nations, kings will shut their mouths because of him, for they will see what they have not been told, they will understand what they have not heard, and then it goes into 53, which I won't read because I don't feel like being a crying person.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, can I just I just just for the sake of I really like this version that I picked up at a garage sale for a dollar sale?
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's the uh Holman Christian Standard Bible.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_01: I've really liked this translation, it's pretty cool.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um 14 says, just as many were appalled at you, his appearance was so disfigured that he did not look like a man, and his form did not resemble a human being.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_05: Like someone out there in this community right now is developing a theory of what what cryptid that could have been short when you are punched in the face and have I like battered so much.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and I look at Ricky's beautiful beard.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_04: Can you imagine somebody taking a handful and ripping it out of his face?
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_04: Ripping out of the face.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_04: What's the cellular trauma?
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, he he probably looked like I don't know, you guys are younger.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_04: It there's a movie called The Elephant Man.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_04: David Lynch directed that I feel so old at the moment.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_04: Even though I think it was done before my time as well.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_04: But the disfigurement from the swelling, that is what I picture.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_04: And I'll tell you, um, when I was, I don't know, 16, 17, my dad played Jesus in um in art Easter play.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_04: Easter play.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_04: And because my dad can grow a beautiful beard like that.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I mean, I think my dad looks a lot like Jesus, so okay.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_04: But my father could not the dude can't act.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so it they had to hit him, they had to actually let the whip whip my dad.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_04: And I remember my grandma was uh was there, and I was never very sure of my grandparents' relationship with the Lord.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_04: But my grandmother watched her son being scourged, and like I remember her sobbing to see her often, you know, and it was a it it was a play, yeah.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_04: He had welts and bruises, but it was it was a play, you know, and and it it was very um very real for me because it's you know it's my daddy.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um but I I really hope in that moment that you know that my my grandma got the joy set before him, Christ endured the cross, you know.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_04: It it's just it's such a beautiful thing.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_04: And um the best definition of grace I've ever heard of, and grace means unmerited favor.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um, Hannah.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_04: Uh that's my daughter's name.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_04: That's why it's my daughter's name.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_04: But um grace is a bending down.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_04: And to me, that's such a beautiful thing when when uh my grandson is like G G.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_04: Every time, even though he weighs a gazillion-de pounds, you know, okay, 35, but it feels to my old bones like a gazillion pounds.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna reach down.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_04: I am always gonna reach down.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_04: And and you know, I mean, I'm not really extending grace to to my grandson, but I kind of am, because I mean, I love him so much that I will reach down and pick him up and lug himself, you know, around wherever he wants to go.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_04: Come on, Geech, let's go.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um that's how God feels about us, like like a parent or a grandparent feels with that little child that's like, hey, I'm incapable.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_04: Uh will you love me?
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_04: And he's like, Of course I will love you.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_04: And he reaches down and he brings us to himself because we can't ever get there because we're a hostile enemy of his.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_04: But in his grace and his reaching down, he pulls us up.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_04: And in Isaiah 52 and 53, um put that that sacrifice that that that is that grace, you know, into that brutal uh display.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_04: Because nowhere else in the word do they really go into what what Jesus suffered for us.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_04: It's just man, and like behold what manner of love the father has that he would call us his sons and daughters.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean that's and if you really know what that means.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_04: Be behold what manner of love the father has.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's crazy.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_04: It it's just he's he's amazing.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_04: Like he really is amazing, and there's nothing mundane or ordinary about serving him.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_04: And if we're serving him in um mundanity, I think is how we would pronounce that.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, mundane.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's mundanity, maybe it's mundanity, but let's hope it's not.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_04: Mundanity.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_04: Mundanity.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um, maybe then we're probably not really seeking him out a whole lot and looking to have him be master.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_01: You made me think of uh Troy Brewer talking about the the sons of God being pissed that we're gonna that we're gonna be the sons of the gods.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_04: Troy Troy Brewer's pretty interesting, isn't he?
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_01: I want to go to that guy's church.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_01: I really do.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_01: I want to go to that guy's church.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's probably close by to me, man.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's probably not that far.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_04: He has a definite see, he's what I mean when I say a wool here for G.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, he is.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_04: He is intense.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_05: He's intense.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_01: But he's so but he's so mild-mannered, man.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: He's such a chill guy.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_04: It's that meekness.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_04: The meek isn't being wussy.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_01: Right, it's it's the ability to be a monster and choosing not to.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you know, yeah, which I'm all for.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm all on that.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_04: Man, I think that is an amazing thing.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_01: Can can I make a total lateral move, guys?
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I'm gonna have to bounce in the next 10.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sorry, guys.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, no, you're good, but you'll enjoy this topic.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_01: So this morning, like I was telling uh Christina off off camera, I every Friday we try to have a men's uh Bible study just to hang out with the guys at our church and just really share the word.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's only about an hour, super early, like six in the morning, um, which I really, really enjoy.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_01: I actually love it because it's dark, quiet, no one bothers anybody.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_01: We just get to share, it's real intimate.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um and we're our pastor wasn't here today, and so I've told him, I'm like, dude, can I just like get the guys together and like do this?
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_01: If you're not here, he's like, Yeah, go for it.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_01: So there's three of us this morning, and we ended up um talking about wisdom this morning.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_01: And the Lord really spoke to me this morning.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm gonna I'll I'm just gonna read it straight out.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's from uh it's Proverbs 2, verse 10, but I'm gonna read from nine.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_01: It says, Then you will understand righteous justice and integrity, every good path.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_01: For wisdom will enter your mind and knowledge will delight your heart.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll read 11 actually.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: Discretion will watch over you, and understanding will guard you.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um that word discretion also um, I think in other translations it's like discernment.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_01: You'll discern righteousness, which is part of wisdom, obviously, right?
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_01: And we were talking about you know how there's two different there's more than one type of wisdom, really.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_01: There's two basic ones, right?
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_01: Which is carnal wisdom and spiritual wisdom.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_01: And we you know the Lord made this this particular verse jump out at me when we were talking, and we were talking about the importance of having wisdom because it's not knowledge, it's not it's not knowledge at all.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_01: And this is actually what I wanted to talk about on this live.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's really I think it's really, really important, and I think it's extremely expedient for what we're living right now.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um everybody wants the knowledge right now.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody wants it.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm kind of at the point where I'm kind of like like Me too.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm kind of sick of it.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_05: I don't care, I don't care anymore.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_04: I still want to know all the things, but I want to be able to use them, which is where wisdom is.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_01: Here's where I'm going.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_01: Here's where I'm going, right?
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because, and this is what the Holy Spirit showed me this morning.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_01: It says, for wisdom will enter your mind.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: Now notice that it doesn't go to your heart, it goes to your mind, right?
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_01: But it penetrates your heart first, right?
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because your heart is really the one that reaps the benefit of wisdom.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_01: But what I love, I love what it says, and knowledge will delight your heart.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_01: But the wisdom has to be there first for the knowledge to delight your heart.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, Without wisdom, all knowledge will do is corrupt your heart.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's all it's going to do.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so I started thinking about that, and I was like, dude, that is so expedient for the fringe community.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_01: It is so expedient.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like it will serve no per like nothing will serve any purpose if we can't manage ourselves wisely.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because what's getting all the TikTok likes, what's getting all the follows?
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's all just garbage stuff about giants, about same thing.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, dude, I've talked about this.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like I know.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_05: I hear the word Lilith or Ishtar or if whatever, you know, like I I okay, I get it.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_05: Like, but how is that serving God's people?
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_05: Are you actually like helping someone come free from that?
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and that's where wisdom the knowledge to the wisdom, because wisdom brings um with it freedom.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_04: It brings correct um deliverance with it.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_04: And and I that's why I think Gnosticism it's a creepy thing, not creepy as in gross, but as in creeping in.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_04: And it's easy.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's it especially in this um in this area where we abide, um, Gnosticism is a real danger to us because it's it it is alluring.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and that path is it feels like it never ends, right?
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like it feels like it's a corridor that you can just slither down forever.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry, no, I just saw a really, really good episode of the Unrefined podcast.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_05: I would love to have Brandon Spain in this chat.
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_05: I I invited him and I invited his entire audience.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, I'm just doing this.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_05: Like, so I hopefully at some point, like the next one, they'll come on.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_05: But he had a guy on, and I'm I'm so sorry I didn't take notes on, I didn't bring my notes in.
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um because we were all worried about our new stage.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_05: And then I just let them go.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_05: But they were talking, and it was the exact same conversation where it's just like, you know, I think I think there's a level of people just getting fed up in this space.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_05: And I feel like I feel like the unrefined guys are kind of in the same boat that we're in.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um they've been doing it for a really long time, by the way.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_01: They've been doing it for a long time.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and they have such I mean, it's great material.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_05: It really is.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_01: It really, really is good guests and really cool information.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but he kind of it was the same sort of conversation where it was just like, you know, how is this serving anybody?
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_05: You know, how is this helping your audience?
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_05: That's what we should be doing.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_05: We have a platform, it doesn't matter how big or how small.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_05: I can't tell you you can have two people listening.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_05: How are you serving them?
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_01: I can't tell you how how I mean God's really been doing that on my heart lately, really been pressing on my heart regarding that.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um I when we did the episode about about the uh tele telepath telepathy tapes, essentially, was what we did the episode on.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_01: It was so fulfilling to me because there was there was reflection of the father in all of it.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like there was the glory of God in that whole conversation.
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not saying like any other stuff that we uncover and deal with, it's not interesting and it's not useful because it is, but like I feel like that is not the focus of most podcasts.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's not, it's really not.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, if I lose members because of that, then so be it.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm not I'm not interested in in trying to tickle someone's ears.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like if they don't like my perspective, then fine.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's fine.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't it doesn't I'm sorry if that's not what you want, but you know, that's not what you're gonna get.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_01: I it's it's uh I appreciate what Shell says.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, you know, I just I have to speak truth.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like I just don't, I don't really have a choice.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_01: I have to, right?
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean it God must be glorified.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_04: He must be glorified.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_04: If we don't glorify him, other things will take our place to glorify him.
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_04: That's what the word tells us.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and and honestly, if I was made to bring him glory, then my uh prime agenda has to be to bring him glory.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_04: And there's there's so many ways to do it, but uh honestly, with with uh well you're fulfilling the programming, right?
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_04: With our podcast, that's how I feel.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we can talk about fringy stuff all day long, and I am super happy to do it, to be honest.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_04: It is me too.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_04: I love the weird.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_04: It's so interesting.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_04: But it is but if if we don't bring it back to the lens of God's word, then for me, um Yeah, you you can go hang out with blurry, the they're real interesting and and they're believers, but the it's just it's different.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_04: That is, I think, the thing that I feel like we do differently than other podcasts do is is it's like here's this thing, what does the word say?
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_04: Here's this thing, what does the word say?
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, I not to not to negate the fact that people are waking up to the spirit realm, which is really good because it's gonna be in everybody's faces real soon.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_05: So and I think that's what those bigger podcasts are serving.
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, they've been elevated to have that l level to to do that, to go and make churches.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_05: For sure.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_04: But God is, you know, He's He'll do what He wants with what we give Him.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_04: He'll do what He wants with stuff that we try to hold from Him, too.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_04: But like for me, I'm like, oh, how many eyes are on this?
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, how many likes did we get?
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_04: How many, whatever.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, okay, Lord, if this is what you want us to be talking about, then you have a purpose for it.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_04: And and whoever the right eyes and ears are, you're gonna bring him whenever you bring him.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_04: I might be in glory then.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_04: It's irrelevant to me, so long as his renown is served, and so long as he gets the glory.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Our our pastor was asking us something.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_01: We had a really good conversation.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really starting to like our Wednesdays because they're kind of turning more like you guys' Wednesdays show, where like we actually deal with some some at least like under under the basic reading of the Bible, we actually start to look at stuff, you know.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes I'm still in the position where I'm like, right?
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, we all get there, I'm sure.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_01: If you're if you any kind of even remotely below the surface, you sometimes you're just like come on, guys, come on, come on, right?
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go, come on.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_01: But we but my my pastor asked something that I was like, Oh, that's a really good question.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, What is it that provokes the heart to gratitude?
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_01: What thing provokes the heart to gratitude?
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody gave really good answers, you know.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_01: They were talking about which is actually very cool.
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't I was thinking of a super philosophical answer, but people just started giving testimonies, and I was like, Whoa, that's so cool! You know, it was like seeing my son, you know, that seeing my my brother, he's been he's been sober for a month, and seeing him recognize that he wants people around him, and I was like, wow, that's that's freaking cool.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I hope I wish we could just keep going down this vein.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_01: But the more I kept thinking about it, the Holy Spirit spoke to me, and he got and I realized what it was for me.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think you guys would probably agree.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what provokes the heart to gratitude is when you know you're walking in God's will, when you know it, when you know you're doing what you were designed to do.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's no greater, there's no greater feeling of gratitude than that.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like you are fulfilling the prime programming, and that's what you're supposed to do, right?
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that definitely you feel it definitely does.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um that's it's a good question.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_04: There's a lot of answers to that.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_01: I know there's a lot of really good answers, and it's a really good question.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_05: That's a really good question, right?
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_01: When he said it, I went, Can you ask that again?
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_01: What did you say?
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_01: It took me a second to kind of bite into it, but it was really good, man.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um but you know what?
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, maybe that's a good place to go.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_04: That's also the multifacetedness of God.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_04: That's that's how he is.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_04: He is so multifaceted that it's like, oh, look, there are gazillion right answers, cool beans.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, I'm being summoned, guys.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna have to go.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm sorry, man.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_04: I love y'all.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_04: I wish I could stay longer.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_04: Love you, Shelly.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_04: Bye.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Love you, dude.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_04: Bye.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_04: Now I have to figure out how to get out of here because normally we finish everything before I'm out.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's right.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know how to get out.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_05: Wait, maybe I can just kick me out.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_05: Kick me out.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_05: Go back to people.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_05: Um I can, yeah.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_05: How do I get you on?
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_01: Can you click leave at the bottom show?
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um maybe I'm uh expanded view.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_04: See what yeah, you should be able to just leave.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I can.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_05: I'm leaving.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_05: Bye bye guys.
• 1:15:28
  unknown: Bye.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_01: Have a good dinner.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yay.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_01: Whether or not you do, I don't know.
• 1:15:34
  unknown: Oh my gosh.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_05: Um, no, but that's what a great question.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_05: And and it really does it kind of gets me back to like exactly what I I feel like God is like leading this to, hopefully, and then like my the own my own podcast where it's just I want to tell the stories that he wants me to tell.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_05: And it's been fantastic to see some of the people that are writing in with encounters that want to be on the show.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I have a guy who I'm setting up an interview with.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_05: I talked to him the other day, and dude, he has a ministry in Bonnaroo, like Bonnaroo, like Bonnaroo is like this huge festival in Tennessee.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_05: It's like this huge, like crazy music festival, like psychedelics.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_05: It's like all about psychedelic music.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's like Burning Man in Tennessee, you got it.
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_05: It's insane.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's cool, man.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_05: And he has an incredible testimony.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm just like, okay, yeah, I want to hear your dark story, but I want to hear what God did with it.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_05: Because otherwise, we're just toiling in the darkness and we're giving it glory.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's the whole point, right?
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right, exactly.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if if if we're just here to wallow around in the weird, I mean, then it doesn't ooh, I like that.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Wallowing around in the weird.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_05: Which I'm fine with.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I listened to the cure play and I think it was amazing.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_01: I do too.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I I'm at the point now, I think, where God is like, get your crap in order.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, you know, maybe that's I think where I'm at um to answer your original question.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_01: As far as our podcast goes, because I produce everything, like I do all of it.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, I'm learning to just be disciplined and accept what I can actually do and not try and spread myself too thin.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm like, I'm like, okay, I can't do any more than one reel every other day, and I'm not gonna try to.
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just not gonna do it.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care what the metrics are, I don't care how much I grow if I were to do what I what I'm being asked.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_01: I just can't do it, you know?
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_01: No, and I find when I find fulfillment in that, I've it's actually been very weird.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_01: I've actually seen our numbers grow in a way I've not seen our numbers grow in a really long time.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_05: Because you're being authentic, yeah.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and also I'm being I'm being obedient.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, right?
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, I'm being obedient.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's and it's really hard, dude, because the heart wants the opposite of what God wants.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so yeah, dude.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_05: All the time.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, it was Free the Rabbits.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_05: Free the Rabbits.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that guy.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_01: He's great.
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_05: I like him a lot.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, Joel Thomas.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's good, man.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_05: And he has a connection.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he's gonna come on with you right on.
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay, I got you.
• 1:18:13
  SPEAKER_05: What?
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_05: No, he's not gonna come on.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_05: No, he's not coming on with me.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_05: He was on uh the unrefined podcast.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_05: That was yeah, sorry, that was like a half an hour ago.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, you're good.
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_01: You're good.
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_05: I wanted to give him a shout out because I I really that was you guys listened to that episode.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_05: That was a fantastic go back and listen to it.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_05: It was a great episode.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's really good.
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_01: I the first time I watched him, actually, he did uh he was talking about the whereabouts of the Ark of the Covenant.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's talking about the history and the whereabouts.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_01: It was a really good episode, and he did he does really good work.
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_01: I really enjoyed it.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, definitely.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that was a really good episode.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's really the takeaway, right?
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like just don't get stuck in in the don't get stuck just in the knowledge.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_01: The knowledge is great, but any common run-of-the-mill quote unquote esotericist could do that.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_01: Anyone can do that.
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's nothing there's nothing um there's nothing special about Crowley.
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_01: There could be a million Crowleys.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_01: Crowley's just the name we know, right?
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but anybody can be an esotericist, but not everyone can just obey God.
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's not it's not something that everyone chooses to do, you know, and because it doesn't, and this is actually I learned this a long time ago.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_01: One one time I was reading, you know, I would read through the Bible a lot, and so I really I've actually gotten to where I'm really enjoying prayer now.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um and even though it's not like large in quantity, like I enjoy spending my time in prayer, even though I have to force myself to do it sometimes, you know.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we all do, for sure, we all do, for sure.
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but the Lord told me one time, I go, Man, why is it so and I asked him, I was like, why is it so easy for me to read the word, but it's so hard for me to talk to you?
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, Oh, that's easy.
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, because when you re read the word, you're doing it on your terms, and when you talk to me, you're on my terms, yeah.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what it is.
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, that's all it is.
• 1:20:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's nothing, there's nothing more mystical about it, it's very point blank.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly, you know, and so we gotta spend time on his terms and not spend time on our terms.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Although our terms aren't always bad, like he's given us free free reign for a reason, but right to use it wisely.
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like the same thing, right?
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't use what God's given you at your disposal, then it corrupts you and makes you bitter and distorted rather than than actually benefiting.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_05: It corrodes too, right?
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_05: Like your gifting, it gets so corroded with um, I mean, just I I just like I said, sorry, my brain is translating back from Spanish in the morning because we have the whole thing.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm thinking like torsion, like it it twists the heart.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's that's the image I have in my mind.
• 1:20:50
  SPEAKER_05: No, that's exactly it, because you have and that's what the enemy does.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_05: So it's like we're in this world, and it's not.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_05: I every time I say that, I feel like people get a vision of like, you know, the devil just like stirring things up.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_05: It's not like that, it's literally like you're in the world if you don't use what God has given you, and if you're not actively trying to figure out what that is, it's gonna get naturally corroded.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know what, dude?
• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_01: Do you I think you'll like this analogy.
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I I call it analogy, but I actually this is actually the way I think about it, and this actually I think makes sense and lines up with uh physics.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what physics actually means?
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_01: This is really cool.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_01: I looked up physics and the etymology of where physics comes from, like the word physics.
• 1:21:34
  SPEAKER_01: Physics means nature.
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_01: So when you're dealing with physics, you're just dealing with the essence of reality and the way reality works, which is a wild concept.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_01: So that should mess your brain up a little bit.
• 1:21:47
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, just leave that because I don't have to think about that for like so the thing is, is that we uh my understanding of what happened is when after the fall happened, is that we became less dense.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you what I mean.
• 1:22:03
  SPEAKER_01: We always think that the spirit realm is ghostly and slipping through us, but we are the ghostly realm slipping through the spirit.
• 1:22:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:22:14
  SPEAKER_01: We are the the I mean, we are the spread out matter.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever looked at an atom, the way an atom looks?
• 1:22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Atoms are ridiculously large.
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's so much space that's not there, and so our reality lacks density.
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I believe that we had density before it, and I think that that's what we lost, and that's why we're dying.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's so interesting.
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's I mean, that's the short version, right?
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_05: But like well, no, and that's it makes sense because that's why, you know, if you think about it, I mean, people need to be realistic to the fact that like the enemy does hate us, like completely.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_05: Like, we are God's special children, basically.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_05: Like, there's such jealousy of our hearts.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_05: Even though he's the one that left and gave up and everything like that, he's never going to win.
• 1:23:04
  SPEAKER_01: We're we're here's the thing we're not the pinnacle of creation, and God's gonna put us so high up, and that I mean, that pisses him off.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, who would it not piss off?
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like if you know that, like, you mean these little worms that like are squirming on the ground, you're gonna make into glorious creatures?
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Why are you doing that?
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, kind of like, look at me, like, look at me.
• 1:23:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm this freaking amazing angelic host that can do all these things that these these little what we call these cavemen can't even comprehend, right?
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_01: And you're gonna put them in glory, yeah.
• 1:23:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'd I'd be pissed too.
• 1:23:42
  SPEAKER_05: It's crazy.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_05: I I I can't rem I remember when I first started really getting into um you know, just understanding the Bible, understanding all this stuff in a deeper level.
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_05: And then it when I learned that like Satan basically was the worship leader in heaven, dude.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_05: And I don't we can save this for another time because I'm still looking into all of this stuff, but like the whole like the the the hurts and like frequencies and just like the lore of all that's dude.
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_05: I listened to something I was mowing the long today and just wanted to listen to some a light.
• 1:24:18
  SPEAKER_05: Did you ever listen to our episode on that, by the way?
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think so.
• 1:24:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean we've got one that's all about frequencies.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Go check it out.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, dude.
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_05: It's I mean, people are talking about it again.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_05: It's amazing.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's cyclical, you know.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_01: They start realizing isn't Laura Sanger just did one with uh with the border creatures.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yep, I have to listen to that.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I have she's someone I actually would like to talk to.
• 1:24:37
  SPEAKER_01: I would really like to talk to her.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm not I'm uh we're not always super super oh, guess, guess, guess, which is fine.
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_01: I I have no hate, no hate.
• 1:24:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's totally fine, but I just because I've always said I want to figure this stuff out, I want to know what this means, you know.
• 1:24:49
  SPEAKER_01: And if you want to follow me on that journey, great.
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_01: And if you don't, you don't have to.
• 1:24:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that's what I want to do.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_01: And we can try to get her on here, dude.
• 1:24:57
  SPEAKER_01: That would be cool.
• 1:24:58
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be wild.
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be super cool.
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that would be really cool.
• 1:25:01
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but I didn't listen to it because sometimes I have to be really careful.
• 1:25:04
  SPEAKER_05: I'm just like, all right, I don't have the bandwidth.
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like oh, that's why I stopped listening to to most podcasts.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_01: I do listen to podcasts, don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't, but I just it's the same thing for me of like, did you listen to?
• 1:25:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, no, dude.
• 1:25:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I had to get my my finances in order.
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then after that, I drove and I listened to the book that I need to be studying for for the podcast we're gonna do on such and such.
• 1:25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 1:25:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so I kind of feel like a bum sometimes, but I'm also like, dude, I can't, you can't do everything.
• 1:25:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if you if you want to be effective, you have to be obedient.
• 1:25:37
  SPEAKER_01: You have to be obedient.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Can you think about Troy Brewer's life?
• 1:25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Troy Brewer's life looks so different than yours and mine, like so different.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_01: But look at all the stuff God uses him for, right?
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's wow, to bring it full circle, I didn't mean to do this, but no, it's great.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's what John Eldridge's book's about is is learning to disconnect from all that stuff and really come to him.
• 1:26:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if God wants to give you fame because that's where he needs you, that's what he'll do, right?
• 1:26:05
  SPEAKER_01: And if that's in your heart and it's in his will, then he's gonna he's gonna align it for you.
• 1:26:09
  SPEAKER_01: Just be patient, just be patient.
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm probably preaching myself, I'm not preaching anybody else, right?
• 1:26:15
  SPEAKER_05: No, I'm you're definitely preaching to me because that's I need to, you're like, I'm preaching tonight.
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_05: Like, no, I need to hear that.
• 1:26:22
  SPEAKER_05: Everybody needs to hear that because we really do so.
• 1:26:25
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, we have all of these influences constantly coming at us, so we are naturally going to put ourselves in the world.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_01: Disciples of the internet, as he likes to put it.
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's such a brilliant anillion.
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's really good.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_05: Disciples of the internet.
• 1:26:39
  SPEAKER_05: Again, it's true, it's just so true.
• 1:26:41
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, we're not going to be able to do that.
• 1:26:43
  SPEAKER_01: He talks about how we're not, I mean, the fact that we're not fascinated by with things anymore, right?
• 1:26:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like we just want to know why why it works.
• 1:26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like how why does but why does it do that?
• 1:26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, but why, right?
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_01: But why, but why?
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that's it's God's sort of like you're not even gonna understand if I tell you, bro.
• 1:27:06
  SPEAKER_05: Like that's why I don't that's why I said not to even worry about it.
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_05: Like it's not your job, right?
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_05: Like you're not supposed to.
• 1:27:13
  SPEAKER_05: You never were supposed to, and you didn't listen.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_05: And so now here we are.
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_05: And we just have this quest for knowledge.
• 1:27:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's it really, yeah.
• 1:27:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's kind of it's kind of crappy, right?
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what's we're gonna do an episode, and I haven't even had a chance to shell tell Shell this uh uh uh about this, but um it's a uh divine counsel devotional, and you're gonna I think you'll really dig it.
• 1:27:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's called They Were Deceived as Well.
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it's all about how the the hosts themselves, the heavenly hosts, were deceived and deceived themselves into believing that all the things that they were gonna do was gonna be worthwhile.
• 1:27:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that it was all gonna be like because we always think of humans, right?
• 1:27:51
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, oh man, you're so deceived by that, you're so deceived by this, and but it's but it's it goes so much higher than that.
• 1:27:57
  SPEAKER_01: It goes all the way to the top of the hierarchy.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone is deceived.
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it it truly is deception is truly the inversion of love.
• 1:28:05
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because love multiplies exponentially and there's no way to stop it.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_01: But deception expon it multiplies exponentially and there's no way to stop it except with truth.
• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's the only antidote.
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's literally the only antidote.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_05: If you think that it makes so much sense because if they followed Satan, whatever entities or beings followed Satan.
• 1:28:30
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 1:28:30
  SPEAKER_05: And deflected or whatever.
• 1:28:34
  SPEAKER_05: Then defected, yeah.
• 1:28:35
  SPEAKER_05: Defected, sorry.
• 1:28:36
  SPEAKER_05: I don't yeah.
• 1:28:37
  SPEAKER_01: Get away from me.
• 1:28:39
  SPEAKER_05: Um but they would have you they would have had to have been deceived.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_05: And then absolutely.
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_05: And then after Imagine that.
• 1:28:49
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh, this is ridiculous, my gift of mercy, because now I'm like, imagine how they felt.
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_05: Imagine how they felt after that.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_05: And then they just well, they don't get it, and then there they are following him, and they're gone from God's life.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's wild, Christina.
• 1:29:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm gonna get into this in the episode, but if you read Enoch, where the watchers come before but come to Enoch and they're like, Oh ne, oh Enoch, holy man of God, go and entreat the Lord and ask of him to forgive us, to find mercy on us, and blah blah blah.
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_01: And it's wild because they I almost don't want to give away all the details, but it's really cool.
• 1:29:29
  SPEAKER_01: They draw up a contract for him to take before the Lord and have him fix and and you know put them in proper standing.
• 1:29:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's wild, dude.
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_01: But the the point here is that they realize like they're they're repentant for what they've done, and they that's why they're asking Enoch to do it, right?
• 1:29:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so we know that if they're repentant for it, then they were deceived, just like you're saying.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_01: They believed it themselves.
• 1:29:55
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh.
• 1:29:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I never even thought about that.
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's a wild concept, man.
• 1:29:59
  SPEAKER_05: That's great.
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_05: I love that.
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's a wild concept.
• 1:30:01
  SPEAKER_05: You guys are fun, all right.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_01: This is super fun, dude.
• 1:30:05
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for this idea, man.
• 1:30:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad that you're just being a good idea.
• 1:30:09
  SPEAKER_05: I'm really excited that we're doing it.
• 1:30:11
  SPEAKER_01: You are exciting.
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm excited.
• 1:30:13
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh, I'm not excited about this my microphone thing that I keep hitting.
• 1:30:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's not good.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_01: You sound great.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_01: Sound wonderful.
• 1:30:19
  SPEAKER_05: Well, thank you very much for coming on and being I love that you I could I don't think I could have I don't think I could have done it with anybody else but you guys.
• 1:30:25
  SPEAKER_05: So this I feel like it really works.
• 1:30:28
  SPEAKER_05: It really really works.
• 1:30:30
  SPEAKER_05: I want to read something.
• 1:30:32
  SPEAKER_05: I just kind of marked this from the book.
• 1:30:34
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know, it just really spoke to me.
• 1:30:36
  SPEAKER_05: Go for it.
• 1:30:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um and then we'll just and then we'll end, and I think I'm I'm sure people will jump on like the replay or whatever, but this is the first time and what you know.
• 1:30:44
  SPEAKER_01: We should post we should cross-post this.
• 1:30:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think it'd be really good.
• 1:30:46
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna give you the MP4, and you can just have it, and then you just can yeah, you can do whatever you want.
• 1:30:51
  SPEAKER_05: I would love to do that.
• 1:30:52
  SPEAKER_05: Um so this is from chapter 18, and this is from the book Experiencing Jesus Really.
• 1:30:58
  SPEAKER_01: You got way farther than I did.
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's hear it.
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_05: I did well, I listened to it and then I bought it because now I'm old and I have to do those things.
• 1:31:04
  SPEAKER_05: So then it really sticks.
• 1:31:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's good.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_01: I I agree.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_01: I usually like to do that as well.
• 1:31:09
  SPEAKER_01: Go for it.
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so it says, only you and what you're doing.
• 1:31:14
  SPEAKER_05: We have covered many things in these pages.
• 1:31:16
  SPEAKER_05: We set out recognizing that as disciples of the internet, our souls have been conditioned to expect immediate answers to our questions and to distrust all forms of mystery.
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_05: We've developed an addiction to knowledge and the practical as the real stuff.
• 1:31:36
  SPEAKER_05: Hold on, I want to get a better as the real stuff of life.
• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_05: Even while the constant erosion of facts has undermined our ability to trust and believe, I pray your soul is being healed from some of that now.
• 1:31:50
  SPEAKER_05: For we are amphibious creatures designed by our Father not only to move comfortably between the seen and unseen, the material and the spiritual, but to derive our well-being through the nourishment that both parts of God's kingdom provides.
• 1:32:06
  SPEAKER_05: Postmodern life has cut most people off from half of the environment they were designed for, and we are dying in the lack of it.
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yep, dude, that's where we are.
• 1:32:20
  SPEAKER_01: Christina, I'm not gonna lie, like go outside, guys, and touch grass.
• 1:32:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean that's please go outside the most serious, serious way I can.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_01: I can't tell you, and I know this sounds kind of like what, Ricky?
• 1:32:33
  SPEAKER_01: But I I've been spending like the past two weeks here at home.
• 1:32:36
  SPEAKER_01: I've been working from home, it's been great, and I've actually been doing exercise outside on my back lawn, in the sun, just just enjoying God's creation, right?
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and listen to something if you want to.
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_01: Fine, that's totally cool.
• 1:32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like, no, no hate, you know, like all power to you.
• 1:32:52
  SPEAKER_01: But uh but just enjoy God's creation, dude.
• 1:32:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's there's something really to be said, and even if we live in this, even if we are the the wispy creatures in this wispy world, yeah, and there's a denser spiritual world, uh we were still created to be here, man.
• 1:33:10
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is our home, and we should really learn to not only be nourished by it and take care of it, but just uh uh golly, what's the word in English?
• 1:33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Just uh revel in it.
• 1:33:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's the word.
• 1:33:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, revel, revel in what God's given us.
• 1:33:26
  SPEAKER_05: Amen.
• 1:33:27
  SPEAKER_05: Good stuff, all right.
• 1:33:29
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, guys.
• 1:33:29
  SPEAKER_05: Well, thanks for um watching at some point.
• 1:33:33
  SPEAKER_05: And let's pray it up.
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_01: Let me pray real quick.
• 1:33:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_01: Heavenly Father, thank you so much for Christina.
• 1:33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for Shelly, Lord, and I thank you for my own life.
• 1:33:40
  SPEAKER_01: I thank you for each and every one of our families, God, and I thank for thank you for whoever has listened and has listened and for their patience if they've listened this far, God.
• 1:33:49
  SPEAKER_01: Bless them, bless each and every one of them.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Father, make this a space where we can share you, Jesus, where we can share what you're doing in weird, weird ways, God.
• 1:33:59
  SPEAKER_01: I thank you that you are a weird God and that we should be very on par and very comfortable with that, the weird that is you, Lord God.
• 1:34:06
  SPEAKER_01: Help us to each and every day learn to thrive in that environment.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_01: And thrive not for the sake of being weird, but thrive for the sake of being truthful in you, Lord God.
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_01: Thrive for the very reason of seeking you, Lord God.
• 1:34:22
  SPEAKER_01: Help all of our strangeness, Lord, to to glorify you.
• 1:34:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I pray that this fellowship with friends, Lord God, would begin to take flight and really take its own direction, take its own path, Father God, but directed by you, Holy Spirit.
• 1:34:35
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for Christina, thank you for Shelly, thank you for my life.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_01: And Lord, thank you for any and everyone who decides to listen to this, Lord.
• 1:34:41
  SPEAKER_01: Bless their life, send a special blessing on them, Father God, just because you're good.
• 1:34:46
  SPEAKER_01: We bless you and we thank you.
• 1:34:47
  SPEAKER_01: Continue to make this community glorify you.
• 1:34:51
  SPEAKER_01: In your name we pray, Jesus.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_01: Amen.
• 1:34:54
  SPEAKER_05: Amen.
• 1:34:54
  SPEAKER_05: All right, well, uh, yeah, I guess we'll see you guys next month, right?
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_05: We're doing this monthly.
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I was thinking maybe the first, I know we had said the last week of the month, but I think the first week of the month is probably healthier for everyone.
• 1:35:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:35:09
  SPEAKER_01: Because the end of the month is really stressful for almost everyone.
• 1:35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like Shelly's like, dude, I gotta do finances and ball.
• 1:35:15
  SPEAKER_01: And like, yeah, I gotta do invoicing.
• 1:35:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so yeah, let's just do the the first week of the month.
• 1:35:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's feasible.
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_05: We'll um, yeah, we'll get it set up.
• 1:35:23
  SPEAKER_05: All right, all right, guys.
• 1:35:24
  SPEAKER_05: We'll see you later.