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Red and Blue: Jarom Jordan on BYU at TCU Saturday after the bye week, Will both Utes and Cougs be top 10 for the Holy War (?) · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: He taught me, keep your friends close, but your enemies close.
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  Speaker 2: Time to check in on the team down south. They
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  Speaker 3: BYU insider, friend of the program, Jerem Jordan.
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  Speaker 2: Jerem, welcome back. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 1: It's good to have a game this week. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's fun as bi-weeks are. They aren't fun. I liked watching,
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  Speaker 1: you know, eight ranked teams go down last week. We
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  Speaker 1: knew about six of them, but cause there were six
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  Speaker 1: ranked matches, but Hey, you always got a conference game
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  Speaker 1: this week. Let's go baby.
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  Speaker 3: or BYU. I thought TCU had some athletes had some
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  Speaker 3: potential here. I don't know if I still feel the
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  Speaker 3: same way about a two and two horn frogs team
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  Speaker 3: that didn't look particularly great against North Carolina. Didn't look
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  Speaker 3: particularly great on the road against UCF, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's early in the season. I could be under crediting
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  Speaker 3: North Carolina and UCF for beating the horn frogs. Does,
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  Speaker 3: does this TCU team look like you thought the one
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  Speaker 3: that BYU might be facing in this matchup?
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  Speaker 1: if
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  Speaker 1: I'm TCU, I'm going, Hey, everything we've got top 10
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  Speaker 1: team in our house, we can kind of rectify this. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a certain sense of urgency that BYU has
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  Speaker 1: right now going, we're getting everybody's best shot to the
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  Speaker 1: top 10 team here and in league and a certain desperation. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The North Carolina loss was weird. You could chalk that
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  Speaker 1: up to a singular event, but as we've seen, if
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  Speaker 1: you go to Dublin, you come back and you lose
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  Speaker 1: that game, you come back kind of mess things up.
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  Speaker 1: I would not go to that game ever. Cause we've
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  Speaker 1: seen that And then last week, yeah, UCF, not a
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  Speaker 1: world beater. And VCU's 0-2 against Power Forward teams. They
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  Speaker 1: scored 23 points in those two games. They do not
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  Speaker 1: look nearly as explosive as last year. They were supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be a little more balanced with... Gordon Sam is
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  Speaker 1: coming in the OC from UConn with Jim Moore. Jim
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  Speaker 1: Moore goes to CSU. That was BYU's last game. Now
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  Speaker 1: they're facing Sam with the new OC there. You know,
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  Speaker 1: a little more balanced on offense. Nope. They were anything
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  Speaker 1: but last week. So not even close. And this has
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  Speaker 1: been a TCU team that's won 18. games last two years,
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  Speaker 1: they've been pretty good. I know it's been four years
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  Speaker 1: since the run to the national championship game, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's some struggles, but BYU has got to be just,
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  Speaker 1: everyone's going to say, Hey, this could fix our season.
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  Speaker 1: And this could be the highlight of our season. So
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  Speaker 1: BYU has got to show up. And I think they're
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  Speaker 1: prepared and ready.
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  Speaker 3: When we talked last week, neither you or I liked
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  Speaker 3: the timing of this bi-week for BYU, but you take
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  Speaker 3: them as they come and you can't change it.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, they, I'm sure they did their best
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  Speaker 2: to handle it.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: What are you hearing? How did practice go?
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  Speaker 3: Did the guys with the bumper bruise get as healthy
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  Speaker 3: as they wanted to? I have some insight on what
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  Speaker 3: Bear Bachmeier was up to. I'll tell you about that
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  Speaker 3: here in just a second. But what are you hearing
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  Speaker 3: about BYU's bye week?
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  Speaker 1: Speaker 3 0 Yeah, they, they got a little healthier,
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  Speaker 1: which is good. You know, there's a few guys that
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  Speaker 1: didn't play in the Colorado state game that should be back,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a tiger Bachmeier receiver, Kyle support choke on
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  Speaker 1: that offensive one, Roger Sully, a pocket tight end. So
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  Speaker 1: that's a, that's good. Bad news is BYU starting my tackle.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Gentry had ankle surgery. He's going to be out
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  Speaker 1: for probably the majority of the regular season. It sounds
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  Speaker 1: like he didn't rule out, you know, and it's not
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  Speaker 1: an end of season injury, but The guys behind him
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  Speaker 1: are talented, but very inexperienced. A combined eight games played
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  Speaker 1: zero starts with a bot. Muli Talo and COC while
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  Speaker 1: Latu Finau bought us a really talented four-star guy at
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  Speaker 1: a lone peak that could get some real run here.
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  Speaker 1: And then COC while it was a red shirt last year,
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  Speaker 1: although that doesn't exist anymore. So that's, that's a loss.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Gentry was literally the most experienced player on the
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  Speaker 1: team with 43 games played. you know, national championship of Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: like red shirt, senior fifth year guy, that's, that's a
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  Speaker 1: tough blow. But this BYU align, I think has a
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  Speaker 1: lot of real strength with it. TJ Woods does a
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  Speaker 1: nice job. So that's kind of the, the big negative
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  Speaker 1: coming out of the bi-week is shoot. There was a,
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  Speaker 1: there was a, you know, extensive injury. Other good news.
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  Speaker 1: Kyler Casper got engaged. So, you know what, off the
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  Speaker 1: field win for a wide receiver, Kyler Casper, congrats to him.
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  Speaker 1: Speaker 3 05,050 All right.
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  Speaker 3: Congrats to him on the Gentry injury. I think I saw,
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  Speaker 3: he thought it was just kind of like a sprain,
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  Speaker 3: like nothing serious.
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  Speaker 2: Is that, did I hear that correctly?
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  Speaker 3: And then you wanted to get it checked out and
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  Speaker 3: they're like, no, this needs to be surgically repaired. So
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  Speaker 3: kind of a surprise even for him that it was
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  Speaker 3: that bad.
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  Speaker 1: Speaker 3 5th and 6th. Yeah. So it happened in
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  Speaker 1: the first quarter and he, it kind of felt weird.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he, he got shot up at halftime and
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  Speaker 1: then BYU dominated. He came out kind of midway through
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  Speaker 1: the third quarter. And then after the game on the
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  Speaker 1: end on Sunday, you know, they looked at it and
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  Speaker 1: then unfortunately it was required surgery. So he had the
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  Speaker 1: surgery yesterday and No exact timeline on it, but they
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  Speaker 1: have not said, hey, it's season ending. So hopefully for
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  Speaker 1: what could be a very awesome, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 1: postseason for BYU potentially with hopefully a big 12 title
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  Speaker 1: appearance and or college football playoffs and things go great,
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  Speaker 1: that he could be back at some point later on.
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  Speaker 3: I ended up at the Santa Ana airport flying back
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  Speaker 3: home this weekend after a trip to the beach with
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  Speaker 3: my wife and lovely children. And the Bachmeier brothers were there.
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  Speaker 3: same flight and delayed flight. And, uh, it was, it
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  Speaker 3: was really interesting to observe how many people in Southern California,
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  Speaker 3: obviously people flying back to Utah.
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  Speaker 2: So most of them, Utah residents, but, uh, how many.
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  Speaker 3: People, you know, are on the Bachmeier train. He probably
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  Speaker 3: had to take like a hundred or more photos with
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  Speaker 3: people just waiting at the airport in California.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, man, this is, this is a wild
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  Speaker 2: time in college football.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't want to take him with MMA legend Sean O'Connell? Like,
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  Speaker 1: what the freak? Come on, man. I know. I'm surprised
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  Speaker 1: Tiger didn't actually fly the plane. He has his pilot's license.
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  Speaker 1: And he actually has an NIL deal with some company
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  Speaker 1: in Provo that kind of connected him to help him
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  Speaker 1: get his hours, which is super cool. Did you see
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  Speaker 1: the video bear also over the weekend where he went
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  Speaker 1: to a baseball stadium and Cosmo was over in the
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  Speaker 1: corner and a kid watched by bear and bears like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can sign it. And the kid like holds the
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  Speaker 1: ball away from him. Like, I don't know who you are.
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  Speaker 1: And then he runs to Cosmo. Speaker 0 7, it
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  Speaker 1: was Barstool sports. Put it out there. It was very funny.
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  Speaker 3: That's amazing. I did not see that, but that's, that,
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  Speaker 3: that shows you the power of Cosmo. That's why they're
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  Speaker 3: charging three grand for him to come take a picture
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  Speaker 3: with you at the Notre Dame game.
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  Speaker 2: Do we lose Jerem? We might've lost Jerem. Jerem, are
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  Speaker 2: you still there? All right. A bad connection.
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  Speaker 3: I think we'll have to reconnect with Jerem Jordan. BYU
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  Speaker 3: coming off a bye week. And look, I know that
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  Speaker 3: people get bothered that we talk about them for 20
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  Speaker 3: minutes every week, but this is a really good BYU
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  Speaker 3: team that when healthier is a big time problem. Now,
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  Speaker 3: LJ Martin, the defending returning offensive player of the year
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  Speaker 3: in this big 12 conference right now is averaging almost eight.
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  Speaker 2: Yards of carry. He's only scored three touchdowns, three rushing touchdowns.
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  Speaker 3: I say only because I think that that's a guy that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, as the season progresses, they'll probably lean more
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  Speaker 3: and more on. I think he's a guy that you're
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  Speaker 3: going to see, you know, potentially get more touches and
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  Speaker 3: more targets. He has zero pass catching touchdowns, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: but he's averaging 7.8 yards of carry. That's top 25
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  Speaker 3: in the nation right now. And only he's only carried
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  Speaker 3: the ball 42 times through three games, which is not,
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  Speaker 3: a heavy use of someone with his level of accomplishment, right? Hey, James,
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  Speaker 3: I think we got to reconnect with Jeremy. He got
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  Speaker 3: to hear me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there he is. What happened?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, nothing. Literally nothing. I don't know what changed, but
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  Speaker 1: here we are. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Weird.
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  Speaker 3: You're back that we, you disappeared for a second. And
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  Speaker 3: we were, we were talking about.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember. We were talking about Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about LJ.
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  Speaker 3: How much more do they use LJ Martin now that
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  Speaker 3: they get into big 12 play?
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  Speaker 1: Speaker 3 6, Aaron Roderick has said out loud, listen,
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  Speaker 1: this guy is one of our best players. If not
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  Speaker 1: our best player, we need to get him the ball
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  Speaker 1: 20 to 25 times. He said, he's keenly aware of
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  Speaker 1: how many carries he has within it, within a game,
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  Speaker 1: you know, going into a game, kind of what probably
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  Speaker 1: needs to happen for viewer to have success. when he's
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  Speaker 1: had at least 80 yards or more rushing in a game,
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  Speaker 1: do I has not lost a game when he's worn
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  Speaker 1: a BYU uniform the past four years. And so that's
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  Speaker 1: a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: Speaker 2 05,050 05,050 05,050 05,050 05,050 05,050 yards or better.
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  Speaker 3: They haven't lost in his four years in.
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  Speaker 2: A Cougar uniform.
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  Speaker 1: That's correct. So get him the fricking rock, right?
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  Speaker 3: Or somehow prevent him from getting the rock. If you're
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  Speaker 3: anyone who's not BYU, that's a wild stat. He's that
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  Speaker 3: integral to their success.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And, and he's that good. Like early on when
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  Speaker 1: he was a freshman, Aaron was saying, this isn't, this
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  Speaker 1: is an NFL running back. Like it was a big
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  Speaker 1: deal when he was, he was originally committed to Texas tech,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, as an El Paso kid in west Texas,
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  Speaker 1: and then switched over to Stanford, beat Stanford to end
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  Speaker 1: the 2022 regular season. And like hours after that game
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  Speaker 1: or the next day, David Shaw resigns and then LJD commits.
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  Speaker 1: And then he comes to provost. So that, that whole
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  Speaker 1: sequence was really important, but the, the 80 thing, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's 17 and ocean. And then the other step going
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  Speaker 1: into the TCU game, that's interesting is the, if BYU
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  Speaker 1: holds TCU under 30, there's six and oh, if TCU
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  Speaker 1: scores more than 30, oh, and seven. So basically don't
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  Speaker 1: let Jayden Craig just kind of get loose here with,
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  Speaker 1: with his guys. And you're probably in a good spot historically.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of that, for BYU, they scored 63 points against
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  Speaker 3: Utah Tech. That's what you're supposed to do against Utah Tech.
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  Speaker 3: They scored 28 against Arizona. I think Arizona's a good team.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if they're a great team. They put
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  Speaker 3: up 41 against Colorado State. It's not yet... the highest
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  Speaker 3: powered offense that we've seen at BYU over the decades.
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  Speaker 3: But is this offense you think capable of those, you know,
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  Speaker 3: making it, you know, 42 points a game? Is this
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  Speaker 3: an offense that will win games that way? Can this
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  Speaker 3: BYU team get into the kind of like track meet
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  Speaker 3: boat race sort of games and come out successful? Or because,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you got a quarterback who can run, you've
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  Speaker 3: got LJ Martin. Is this a team that, is going
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  Speaker 3: to be more apt to like in big 12 play
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  Speaker 3: and potentially beyond, or are they trying to keep things
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  Speaker 3: a little bit tighter?
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  Speaker 1: I think they are more explosive and more high powered
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  Speaker 1: than you think. You know, they came out at halftime
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  Speaker 1: of the Utah tech game. They came out about halfway
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  Speaker 1: through the third quarter against TCU or Colorado state. Excuse me.
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  Speaker 1: If the starters had stayed in the game, Sean, they
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  Speaker 1: would have 50 or 60 points, but they pulled them
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  Speaker 1: to keep them healthy, to get back up some good
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  Speaker 1: valuable reps, which is good now. Cause you're playing a
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  Speaker 1: different right tackle. Some of those guys got some reps.
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  Speaker 1: I know some BYU fans complained about some of that,
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  Speaker 1: but guess what? Those guys have valuable snaps. Now they're
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  Speaker 1: against starters this week. So according to pro football network,
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  Speaker 1: BYU's offense is number 22 in the country, expected points
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  Speaker 1: added per play eight yards per play fourth points per
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  Speaker 1: drive eight. So I would argue they are really explosive.
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  Speaker 1: They are, they are very good. I think they can
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  Speaker 1: go toe to toe in a game like that. And
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  Speaker 1: BYU is more kind of a what they're very chameleon.
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  Speaker 1: We saw that last year when LJ Martin got hurt
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  Speaker 1: against Iowa state and he didn't play against Georgia tech.
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  Speaker 1: Then bear Bachmeier had to throw for 300 plus and
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  Speaker 1: not have LJ there. They can do what it. it,
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  Speaker 1: they need to do to win because bear Bachmeier is
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  Speaker 1: 15 and two as a starter, he's not a young
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  Speaker 1: pup anymore. And so, yeah, if they need to pass
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  Speaker 1: the ball a ton to beat Arizona, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: you get Kyler Casper with two touchdowns and legend glass,
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  Speaker 1: you're scoring on the ground and getting a 61 yard.
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  Speaker 1: And then so be it. If you need LJ market score,
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  Speaker 1: three touchdowns in the first quarter and establish the ground game,
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  Speaker 1: you can do that. I think BYU can win a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different ways. And Oh, by the way, BYU
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  Speaker 1: against unranked teams has an interception in 12 straight games.
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  Speaker 1: That's the longest streak in the country. In that situation,
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  Speaker 1: BYU takes the ball away. They play winning football, whatever
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  Speaker 1: that looks like on any given Saturday, Speaker 2.
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  Speaker 2: They're last in the conference in sacks.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I don't know how important this stat is right
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  Speaker 3: now in college football, because you know how quickly teams
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  Speaker 3: are getting the ball out of the quarterback's hands by design. Typically,
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  Speaker 3: if you pressure an opposing quarterback, that's good for your defense. Again,
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  Speaker 3: BYU hasn't had to get exotic with blitzes and pressures
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  Speaker 3: and stunts and things like that. So I don't think
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  Speaker 3: this is a capability problem, but is it something that
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  Speaker 3: has been talked about or addressed at BYU that they're
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  Speaker 3: not pressuring the quarterback and sacking the quarterback in a
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  Speaker 3: sort of ideal pace?
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  Speaker 1: six times in three games. So not overly concerned about it.
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  Speaker 1: Would love to have it, but honestly, there are certain
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  Speaker 1: moments where BYU doesn't get a sack and that results
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  Speaker 1: in an interception. And I would rather have that. And so, yes,
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  Speaker 1: you would love to, you would love to add more
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  Speaker 1: of those. No one's saying let's not get sacks, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's as big a deal as,
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  Speaker 1: as perhaps last in the conference makes it seem. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Jerem Jordan for a couple more minutes here on the
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  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell show talking BYU football as they come off
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  Speaker 3: a bye and they'll go on the road to play
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  Speaker 3: against a TCU Horned Frog team that looks a little
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  Speaker 3: bit underwhelming, if we're being honest. And that brings us
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  Speaker 3: to the point of the conversation, Jerem, where we try
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  Speaker 3: to figure out the power structure of the Big 12 Conference.
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  Speaker 3: We will do this every single week until we actually
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  Speaker 3: know later in the year. Cincinnati has decided that they've
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  Speaker 3: entered the chat again. West Virginia looked good and Oklahoma
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  Speaker 3: State looked bad, but now Oklahoma State looks better than
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  Speaker 3: West Virginia. We already talked about the TCU thing. BYU
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  Speaker 3: looks like they're the best team in the conference. Utah
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  Speaker 3: looks like they might be right behind them in a
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  Speaker 3: conversation alongside Texas Tech.
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  Speaker 2: Help me figure out the tiers of power.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, metrically, yeah, it's, it's BYU and Utah. And
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  Speaker 1: then Texas tech feels just a hair behind those two,
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  Speaker 1: given that they are undefeated. They do have a ranked win.
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  Speaker 1: I would argue that's the second best win of any
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  Speaker 1: team in the league with the win over Houston, obviously
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma state over Oregon should be number one. So that
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: looks good. You know, BYU and Utah have looked great.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Utah has looked great. BYU has looked really good. Like
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: that Arizona win was, was a big one or early
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: on in conference play. So yeah, it's kind of that group.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: And then You know, Oklahoma state or Houston, who do
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: you have it for? I personally have Oklahoma state at
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: four because of that Oregon win. I know Houston's right
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: there and they went toe to toe on the road
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: with Texas tech on a Friday. And then after that,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: it gets really interesting, right? The kind of Arizona states
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: and Cincinnati's like to mention, and I would throw Arizona
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: there as well. Like West Virginia versus Oklahoma state was
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: a big one for the Which of you is really
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: the number one dark horse in the league kind of
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: game over the weekend and messed the maker and Hawkins
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: and young kind of showed how good they are. West
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Virginia is interesting, man. They just, they ran the ball
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: 66 times in a game. They were down and they
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: were still running, which I'm like, wait, you're not going
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: to throw it. Michael Hawkins jr. Can run really well. Hey,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: state surprised. at Cincinnati, which can be a tough place
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: to play, but that was weird. TCU has been underwhelming.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Kansas stinks, Colorado. I know they'd be Georgia tech, but
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: they stink. So yeah, it's, it's interesting. It's very Reese
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Davis said, I don't know if it's deep as much
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: as it is wide, which is interesting to me. There's
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: kind of a big three Oklahoma state's teasing us. That
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: pulse of loss was weird. If they hadn't lost that,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: we might be talking about them as the best team
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: in the league, but it's, it's going to be interesting.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, not everybody plays each other because the league's
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: just simply too big. We're in the expanded version of
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: all these leagues. Obviously BYU benefited from this to get
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: in a league like this, which is awesome. But it
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: just thinks that we don't have like, oh, we know
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: that everybody's playing each other. It's just not how it works. Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Well, it's actually, I had not put Oklahoma state into
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: this category. I talked about a lot in the off season,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: how BYU and Utah missing Texas tech in the regular
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: season is, was either going to be good for the
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: big 12 conference or was going to be problematic for
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: the big 12 conference. BYU and Utah don't play Oklahoma
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: state either. So it's like, they got to play each other.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: They got to play Houston, but Texas tech and Oklahoma state, if,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: if the Cowboys are for real, and I guess we'll
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: figure it out as the season progresses, Oklahoma state does
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: have to play Houston.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: They do have to play Texas tech. They don't have to.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Play BYU or Utah, I could see like a convoluted
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: tiebreaker scenario getting involved in a year like this. And
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I don't want that to be what decides our big
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: 12 championship.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I know, right? This is what happened with BYU two
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: years ago. There were seven and two and there was
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: a four way tie and BYU lost the tiebreaker. And
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: it just stinks. I could see more than two eight
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: and one teams in the league because of what you
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: were talking about. Not everyone's playing each other. There's kind
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: of like one and a half, maybe two big games
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: for kind of the top five teams in the league.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: We don't have those head to heads. It's going to
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: help us figure this out. So nothing's more annoying than
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: looking at tiebreakers with two or three weeks to go
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: In fact, I found a website where you can manipulate
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: all the results. Okay, if this happens, this happens, who
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: gets a tiebreaker and why? Later in the year, if
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: it comes to that, I'll send it to you. But
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: it's super annoying to look at, and it hurts my
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: head as a kid from Copper Hills High School. I
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: was lucky to get into BYU, but thank goodness for
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: these websites. And November 7th, let's be honest, as of now,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: things can change very quickly. It looks like that BYU,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Utah game is going to be massive for big 12
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: standings for who's getting to the title game. Who knows?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe it'll even be rematched. They're called football, playoff implications,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: auto bids that large, all kinds of things, man, that
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: game was going to be huge already for the pace.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: These two teams are on of potentially if they're going great,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: like the first, both are in the top 10 matchup
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: in the history of BYU and Utah that's never happened.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: They have had a top kind of Top 20 matchup
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: in 08, if I recall. But, oh, my gosh, November
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: 7th looks huge right now.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I'm going to ask this question probably every week we
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: have you on because I think the answer and the
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: dynamics of the matchup could change. But given the conversation
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: we are just having right now where maybe that's who's
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: in the driver's seat to go to a Big 12
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: championship game when they play each other on November 7th,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: If BYU fans could choose a win over Notre Dame
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: or a win over Utah, you can't have both.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: What are they choosing?
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: First off, we can't have both and we'll try.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: But in this hypothetical scenario.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: When Utah was in the top 10. So we haven't
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: had a top 15 matchup even yet. All right. Okay.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: It is Notre Dame by far because the cache of
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that win would do more than win over Utah to
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the committee. Well, hold on.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Hold on. I, yes, you're right.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: However, if you lose to Utah and that makes you
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: lose an opportunity to get into the big 12 championship game,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: and this is a one bid league, Then you have
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: this like foundational, incredible win over a top five team
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: in Notre Dame. It's a nationally relevant win. It launches
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: you potentially into the top five yourself. And then because
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: of all the stuff we just talked about, because of
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: the weird tiebreakers and whatnot, if Utah or anyone else
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: has that tiebreaker over BYU, so you have beat Notre Dame,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: but then you're not in the Big 12 championship game.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I don't think anyone who's not in the Big 12
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: championship game is making a college football playoff.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: So I, this question in a weird way in this
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: scenario though. Okay. Let's let's think about Miami last year.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: This is what they did. They beat Notre Dame.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Do you really believe that?
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Do you really believe that BYU would be traded, treated
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: the same way as Miami?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: If Notre Dame is as good as we think they
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: could be. Yes. All right. Because if Notre Dame is
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: sitting there and they are top five, top 10 at
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the end, and they have one blemish all year. That's
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: going to carry a lot of weight. And let's be honest,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: BYU got punished for playing in the big 12 title
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: game that last year, they got crushed. If they had
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: not qualified and been sitting there somehow at 11 and one,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: they probably would have been, they could have maybe been in, right?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Like who, who knows? But I think that that wind
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: would carry a lot of weight. And if you're telling
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: me in this scenario, that may be the only regular
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: season loss is Utah. Let's say BYU is 11 and one,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: they'd be Notre Dame. They lose at Utah. Let's say
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: it's by 10. It's not a blowout. It's not a
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: one score game. we are losing the tiebreaker. I would
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: feel really confident that BYU would get into the playoff
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: in that scenario. You know why I would love me
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: there 10 and two. Now it's a different story, but
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: now you're talking about that. Seeing big 10 teams and
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the strength of conference metric that they've introduced. Like, okay.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I would hope that that just, I just think that
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: that win that potential win, which it would be massive.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame is really good. BYU is a double digit
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: dog at home in that game. Like that would mean
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: a lot. I think.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I hope that scenario plays out the way you just said,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: because in that case, BYU fans would have to root
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: for Utah in a Big 12 championship game to make
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: it look like a more quality loss for BYU.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Listen, I'm here for BYU's aim today. And if that requires,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: requires rooting for Utah in a big 12 title game
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: to get BYU into the college football lab, I'm fine
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: with that. Like I it's all good. How, how awesome
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: for the beehive state would that be? If both made
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the playoff this year, it feels like it could, it
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: could happen this year. Like this is the best chance
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: ever because of BYU being in a power league, because,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: you Both teams are looking great early in the season. Like, Hey,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: this is, this is fun. We got a fun ball
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: going on in the state right now.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I want to make sure I put out a disclaimer
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: that I fully acknowledge that we are putting the cart way,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: way ahead of the horse on all these discussions because you.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Got to let it play out.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: But yeah, fun stuff because that November 7th game does
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: look massive and there's a plenty of work to be
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: done between now and then TCU for BYU this week, Utah,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: of course, sitting on a buy, and then they'll host Kansas.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: And it's at Colorado, Houston, at Cincinnati, who may or
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: may not be ranked by then. We'll see what Cincinnati
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: looks like. So crazy stuff happening in the world of
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: college football. Jerem, enjoy the game this weekend. I always
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: appreciate you jumping on with us.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Hey, I appreciate it. And hey, let's enjoy it while
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: it goes. You can't just wait till the end to
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: be happy about stuff. Enjoy the journey here. So far,
• 25:37
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• 25:37
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