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Tammy Hembrow and Reece Hawkin’s Secret Date · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
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  Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
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  Speaker 2: news twice a week.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Kate Torber. I'm Amy Torber. And I'm Sophie Torber.
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  Speaker 2: And coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembrough and Rhys Hawkins'
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  Speaker 2: secret date. Occult Australian activewear brand goes into receivership. And
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  Speaker 2: Sam Guggenheimer's first class snub. But first, Aussie influencer Lauren
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  Speaker 2: Lackin has sparked debate about appropriate pool attire after she
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  Speaker 2: and her family were denied entry into a public pool
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  Speaker 2: in France.
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  Speaker 1: The family of.
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  Speaker 2: Four were turned away for hygiene reasons. Now, Soph, before
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  Speaker 2: we get into the controversy, can you bring listeners up
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  Speaker 2: to speed on who Lauren is? Well, she is a
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  Speaker 2: micro-influencer with 54.6 thousand followers on Instagram, and recently she's
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  Speaker 2: been sharing about her Euro adventures and what it's like
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  Speaker 2: travelling with her two kids and husband. Now, it's quite
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  Speaker 2: interesting because in her bio, she has included that it's
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  Speaker 2: her first Euro summer at 40 years old. And this week,
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  Speaker 2: she learned a lesson in French pool etiquette. So the
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  Speaker 2: family decided to visit a public pool near their Airbnb,
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  Speaker 2: but were quickly turned away because Lauren's husband and son
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  Speaker 2: were wearing board shorts. Now, she uploaded her family's reaction
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  Speaker 2: to her Instagram account. Let's take a listen to what
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  Speaker 2: went down.
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  Speaker 3: We went to go in, and they wouldn't allow kids
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  Speaker 3: to wear.
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  Speaker 1: No swim shorts allowed. No board shorts. You have to
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  Speaker 1: wear Euro shorts or Speedos.
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  Speaker 4: So they must be boxer briefs, they must be skin tight,
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  Speaker 4: and hugging the genitalia to enter the pool.
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  Speaker 3: These are too conservative, apparently. I don't know about being
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  Speaker 3: too conservative, but that's the rule. So just be warned,
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  Speaker 3: maybe pack some of those. They had a vending machine
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  Speaker 3: there where you could buy them. But Houston also in
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  Speaker 3: his little board shorts couldn't.
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  Speaker 1: Get in with the boys.
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  Speaker 3: Girls, you could wear whatever, but the boys, you had
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  Speaker 3: to wear the like Speedos.
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea this was a thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I've never been to France before. But I have never
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  Speaker 2: heard of Euro shorts. I mean, you've been, have you,
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  Speaker 2: did you know this was a thing? I didn't go
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  Speaker 2: swimming in France, but I'm pretty impressed that they have
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  Speaker 2: vending machines full of bathers.
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  Speaker 1: Like what the hell?
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like Tokyo where they've got vending machines for everything.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's clearly revenue raising.
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  Speaker 2: They obviously make a lot of money from turning people
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  Speaker 2: away in the wrong bathers. I mean, clearly a lot
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  Speaker 2: of tourists don't know that this is a thing. That's
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  Speaker 2: why it is so lucrative for them. It sounds like
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  Speaker 2: they're charging a bit of a premium at this private
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  Speaker 2: pool as well. Now, for those who are just as
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  Speaker 2: confused as me, I want to go into what's Euro
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  Speaker 2: shorts are because I had to look up the definition. Now,
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  Speaker 2: they are also referred to as Euro swim trunks or
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  Speaker 2: Euro briefs, and they are a classic form-fitting brief that
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  Speaker 2: leaves the upper leg completely bare. So they're basically swimwear
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  Speaker 2: that looks like boxer briefs or trunks. Now, it says
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  Speaker 2: online that they are mandatory in public pools in many
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  Speaker 2: parts of Europe for hygiene reasons. as they consider baggy
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  Speaker 2: board shorts as street wear and think that they can
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  Speaker 2: carry dirt into the water. Now, reading between the lines,
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  Speaker 2: this is because, in particular, a lot of Aussie men
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  Speaker 2: wear their jocks under their board shorts. And who knows
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  Speaker 2: how many days they've had those jocks on for, and
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  Speaker 2: they don't want that filth carried into the pool.
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  Speaker 1: And I think I could kind of get around this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I always find it odd when people wear.
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  Speaker 2: jocks under their bathers it's like wait a sec aren't
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  Speaker 2: you meant to be wearing like what's the purpose i've
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  Speaker 2: never seen women walk in with their bonds undies on
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  Speaker 2: into the pool i recently had this debate with a
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  Speaker 2: group of people at a wedding and there was one
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  Speaker 2: guy there who was adamant that he only ever wears
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  Speaker 2: speedos under his board shorts and i admitted well i
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  Speaker 2: mean on behalf of my husband he he wears undies
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  Speaker 2: when he goes swimming under his board shorts and by
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  Speaker 2: the end of our honeymoon i literally all of the
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  Speaker 2: dye had run, the chlorine had got into them, the
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  Speaker 2: elastic was gone. Like you can see why it doesn't work.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just confused though. What are people actually worried about?
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  Speaker 2: Because if you're concerned about being in a pool of
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  Speaker 2: water with someone's underpants, Well, their bum and their dick
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  Speaker 2: and their balls and.
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  Speaker 1: Everything's in the pool anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So if someone's got skitties, they're going to have skitties
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  Speaker 2: on their bum. Well, the thing is I had never
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  Speaker 2: really considered the whole undies thing from a germ perspective
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  Speaker 2: because there's so much chlorine in the pool that all
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  Speaker 2: those germs are going to die anyway. I more thought
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  Speaker 2: about it from a looks perspective. Like when you see
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  Speaker 2: someone's Bonds or Calvin Klein undies, underneath.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't think it's the best look.
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  Speaker 2: Did you guys see that Abby Chatfield's boyfriend, Adam Hyde,
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  Speaker 2: he is now the new poster boy for Bonds. So
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  Speaker 2: they've got rid of Robert Irwin. He's no longer the
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  Speaker 2: Bonds boy this year. The announcement wasn't quite met with
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  Speaker 2: the excitement when Robert.
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  Speaker 1: Irwin was revealed.
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  Speaker 2: But there was one photo that confused a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people and it was Adam wearing two pairs of jocks.
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  Speaker 1: So it was like a close-up. You couldn't even see
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  Speaker 1: his face.
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  Speaker 2: It was just his like abs and just two pairs
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  Speaker 2: of jocks, like two bonds.
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  Speaker 1: What, they were just layered? Yeah, they were layered. Everyone's like,
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  Speaker 1: why has he got two? Has he double-bagged his?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is that in case you get caught short?
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  Speaker 2: On the topic of sort of etiquette around bathers and underwear,
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  Speaker 2: you know how they have that sticky tag in bathers
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  Speaker 2: that you're not meant to peel off, like a hygiene thing?
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  Speaker 2: This girl I follow who is an influencer, we actually
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  Speaker 2: met her at an Adelaide event and she's moved to
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne now. She's the nicest girl. Her name's Chloe Ferrari.
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  Speaker 2: And anyway, she went to try on some leggings at
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  Speaker 2: a store. And when she was trying them on, she
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  Speaker 2: noticed that one pair of leggings had someone else's dry
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  Speaker 2: discharge in them. She's like, who the fuck is trying
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  Speaker 2: on leggings without underpants on? Has anyone ever had this
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  Speaker 2: thought during an important meeting with like older people that
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  Speaker 2: that there are a number of dicks or vaginas in
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  Speaker 2: the room. I know that sounds really odd. But you
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  Speaker 2: know when people say to humanise other people, I have
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  Speaker 2: thought it's so weird that there's just this cloth of
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  Speaker 2: material and everyone's just flopping about. I think we need
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  Speaker 2: to get back to this pool story because it is
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  Speaker 2: quite a funny one. Yeah, the people that are outraged
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  Speaker 2: by the Laika poo ads are going to be like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is just foul.
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  Speaker 1: Well, like the thing that... They've said dick and balls
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  Speaker 1: and discharge in one topic.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that makes me laugh most about this whole
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  Speaker 2: rule is that the French seem to be so put
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  Speaker 2: off by men wearing board shorts, but they're fine for
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  Speaker 2: them to get around in dick bathers.
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  Speaker 1: I have to drop that term. That is a term
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  Speaker 1: my in-laws use all the time. I mean, that term
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  Speaker 1: gives me the absolute ick. But you've got to be
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  Speaker 1: pretty confident to pull off some budgie smugglers, don't you?
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  Speaker 1: You've got to have a big dick to wear a
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  Speaker 1: pair of budgie smugglers. Well, I feel like.
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  Speaker 2: Jade Twinchy's husband, Lockie Brackie, is always rocking them.
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  Speaker 1: Is that in reference to videos? I think he was
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  Speaker 1: an underwear model at some point. Well, I mean, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think the reason that Lauren and her family got so
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  Speaker 2: confused by this rule is because a lot of Aussies
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  Speaker 2: go to Asia for their summer holidays and usually you're
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  Speaker 2: having to make an effort to cover up for religious reasons,
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  Speaker 2: not show more skin. But in France, they're like, come on,
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  Speaker 2: get it out. We want to see it.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I was confused by.
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  Speaker 2: So like if a woman turns up in like a
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  Speaker 2: rashie and wants to be conservative, does she have to
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  Speaker 2: just wear like a tiny jeans?
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  Speaker 1: No, we have a vending machine for bikinis and jeans.
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  Speaker 2: No, well, I looked into the rules and it looks
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  Speaker 2: like they do prefer women to wear a one piece
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  Speaker 2: if possible.
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  Speaker 1: They're also fanatical about swimming caps. So a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people pointed out in Lauren's comment section that that if
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  Speaker 1: you don't bring a swimming cap to some public pools,
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  Speaker 1: you're also barred. So apparently that is for hygiene reasons
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  Speaker 1: as well and water filtration reasons.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine France's version of Love Island? They're all
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  Speaker 2: rocking swimming caps and Euro shorts.
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  Speaker 1: They're funny about thongs as well.
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  Speaker 2: And I have to point out when I'm talking about thongs,
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  Speaker 2: I mean flip-flops because apparently patrons.
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  Speaker 1: are required.
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  Speaker 2: To walk barefoot to the pool. They can't have their
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  Speaker 2: thongs on the pool deck as well for cleanliness reasons.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what happens in France if you piss in
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  Speaker 1: the pool? Is that like an immediate $ 10, 000 fine? Because
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  Speaker 1: I've been guilty of that before. Well, that's disgusting.
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  Speaker 2: But you know how your parents used to tell you
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  Speaker 2: when you're a kid that if you pee in the pool,
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  Speaker 2: the pool turns a different color. I bet they've invented
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  Speaker 2: something that actually makes this happen. And you are literally,
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  Speaker 2: like it probably turns yellow and you're literally like hauled out.
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  Speaker 1: Of the pool area and put into jail.
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  Speaker 2: Dale and I were talking the other day because it's
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  Speaker 2: his dream to get a pool and he's like, one
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  Speaker 2: day we're going to get a pool. And he was
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  Speaker 2: saying he'd love to have like seats where you could
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  Speaker 2: have like a bar in the pool. And I said, Dale,
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  Speaker 2: that is literally encouraging people to come over and piss
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  Speaker 2: in your pool.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like saying, yep, just wee.
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  Speaker 2: I think I may have spoken on the podcast about
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  Speaker 2: a Christmas party incident like 15 years ago at one
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  Speaker 2: of my first employer's. where one of the guys offered
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  Speaker 2: up his house for the party and he was so
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  Speaker 2: proud of this spa he had. And I remember sitting
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  Speaker 2: in it and being like, I've gotten up at least
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  Speaker 2: twice to have a wee. And these men have been
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  Speaker 2: sitting in this spa for like three hours drinking beers.
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  Speaker 2: And then when we got out of the spa, it
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  Speaker 2: was literally yellow. And the poor guy had to end
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  Speaker 2: up like draining it. Can I point out, I used
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  Speaker 2: to be a culprit of this. Like when I would
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  Speaker 2: go on holidays, I could, as a decade ago, I
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  Speaker 2: used to occasionally piss in the pool if I really
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  Speaker 2: couldn't be.
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  Speaker 1: You were still 27. Like, that's not okay. Well, no, actually,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was when I was 25. Not that
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  Speaker 1: that makes it much better.
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  Speaker 2: But now, I mean, I don't actually get in the
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  Speaker 2: pool that often, but now I wouldn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it now. Now that I'm a mother.
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  Speaker 5: Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Getting back to this video. I think you'd have more
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  Speaker 1: of an excuse to do it now because your bladder
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  Speaker 1: is probably not strong.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the theory though that in those types of shorts,
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  Speaker 2: the swim shorts, that you could see someone urinate?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they think in the board shorts you could hide
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  Speaker 1: it a bit more. Yeah, true. Well, Lauren's video, as
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  Speaker 1: you could imagine, received a massive response.
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  Speaker 2: At the time of recording, it's had 3.7 million views
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of people were getting fired up in
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  Speaker 2: the comment section. because her video seemed to reach a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people in France who pointed out that the
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  Speaker 2: rule had nothing to do with moral or conservative dressing
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  Speaker 2: rather hygiene one person wrote proper pool hygiene an incredible
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  Speaker 2: amount of boys and men wear their normal underwear under
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  Speaker 2: those shorts or never change and use them as street
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  Speaker 2: wear and never properly pre-shower.
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  Speaker 1: I wish it was like this everywhere I really like
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  Speaker 1: this comment.
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  Speaker 2: One user said, love the fact that somewhere someone is
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  Speaker 2: judging men's clothing and not women's. And a lot of
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  Speaker 2: other people pointed out that their favorite thing is when
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  Speaker 2: Europeans show up to American beaches in their speedos and
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  Speaker 2: everyone laughs at them and then they have to go
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  Speaker 2: and buy board shorts.
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  Speaker 5: We arrived 23 hours later and let me tell you,
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  Speaker 5: I did not sleep that whole time, which is so
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  Speaker 5: crazy for me and I'm dying now.
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  Speaker 2: Sam Guggenheimer and her boyfriend Ryan Maloney's travel plans have
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  Speaker 2: divided opinions online. Over the weekend, the new couple jetted
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  Speaker 2: off to Europe just weeks after their getaway to the Maldives. Kate,
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  Speaker 2: I'm so confused. Is Sam Guggenheimer dating Toadie from Neighbours?
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Maloney is Toadie from Neighbours. As the expert Sam
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  Speaker 2: Guggenheimer reporter, that's what Soph and I have been calling
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  Speaker 2: you off, Mike.
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  Speaker 1: Please confirm.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got to fight to get Sam Guggenheimer stories
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  Speaker 2: on this podcast. For some reason, you guys don't find
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: her that interesting, but I think a lot of our
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: listeners do. I think it's because she's 24 and I've
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  Speaker 2: never really related to her or.
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  Speaker 1: Connected to her on any level. I mean, we're living
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  Speaker 1: very different lives.
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  Speaker 2: I found myself now watching very different YouTube. Like the
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  Speaker 2: other day, this young girl's YouTube popped up and it
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: was all about health and fitness. And I was like, babe,
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  Speaker 2: I cannot relate to this. Like she was complaining about
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  Speaker 2: the lack of time she had in her day. And
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  Speaker 2: I've turned into that person that I've hated.
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  Speaker 1: That's like, oh, you don't know the half of it. See,
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  Speaker 1: I actually hate followed those people now.
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  Speaker 2: Like people in their mid twenties, I sit back and
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  Speaker 2: with my with my fridge ciggy and I roll my
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  Speaker 2: eyes and my husband's forced to watch and go.
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  Speaker 1: Oh God, look at them complaining. They don't even do anything.
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  Speaker 2: And then you rejoice when they announce their pregnancy because
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh my God, finally, they're going to have.
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  Speaker 1: To do something.
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like we need to change the word hate
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  Speaker 2: follow though, because it sounds really mean, It doesn't sum
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  Speaker 2: up how I follow people. Like I enjoy to watch
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: people that have different stages of life and roll my eyes,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't consider that.
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  Speaker 1: Hating on them. It's like an intrigue follow.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Can we rename it something else? Anyway, Kate, you need
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  Speaker 2: to get on. What's Sam Guggenheimer up to this week? Well,
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: just to confirm, she's not dating the actor that plays
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: Toadie on Neighbours.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: Amy, you were actually absent on the episode where Sophie
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: and I went into her relationship with Ryan Maloney. So
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: he is a DJ and he is the son of
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  Speaker 2: two incredibly wealthy parents. His mum, Di Maloney, is renowned
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: for holding these massive parties on New Year's Eve. Anyway,
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: so it turns out that Ryan has begged Sam to
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  Speaker 2: go on this trip to Europe with him. And she
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: put out a bit of a disclaimer last week on
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  Speaker 2: her TikTok saying, oh, you know, I don't have enough
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: money to go and I really need to work on myself.
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: But my boyfriend managed to convince me to go to
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  Speaker 2: Europe with him. She's just forced herself to go. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: she really had to twist her arm for a trip
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  Speaker 2: to Europe.
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  Speaker 1: Very relatable content there.
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  Speaker 2: Now, it turns out that Ryan booked himself first class
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: tickets as you do.
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  Speaker 1: And Sam was stuck in economy.
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  Speaker 2: The night before the flight, she obviously was like, fuck
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  Speaker 2: that and ended up upgrading her tickets. But they still
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  Speaker 2: were sitting separate. Let's have a listen to see what
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  Speaker 2: Sam said about it.
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  Speaker 5: My spoiled little boyfriend had first class tickets, so I
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  Speaker 5: was raw dug in it and I'm so glad I upgraded.
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  Speaker 1: Is this not a massive red flag?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this guy has had to apparently convince her
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  Speaker 2: to come with him on this trip to Europe. Then
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  Speaker 2: he decides to not even sit with her. Like, why
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  Speaker 2: couldn't he just get economy tickets and sit together? That's
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  Speaker 2: part of the trip.
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  Speaker 1: It's the bondings. You know, you sit on the flight
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  Speaker 1: and chat.
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  Speaker 2: This is reminding me of the episode of Seinfeld where
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  Speaker 2: Jerry gets upgraded to first class and he's sat next
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  Speaker 2: to a model and he's getting served chocolate sundaes and
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: poor Elaine's like stuck between all these men. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's not like you're slumming it in business class, but
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  Speaker 2: it was clear that Sam didn't really have the money
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  Speaker 2: to fly business class yet felt like she had to
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  Speaker 2: upgrade because you'd feel like a bit of a loser
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  Speaker 2: if your boyfriend's traveling first class and you're an economy.
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  Speaker 2: I've never traveled business class or first class, but I've
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  Speaker 2: seen a lot of people on YouTube doing it. And
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: the thing is, you are in your own little pod.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter if your partner is next to
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  Speaker 2: you anyway. It's not like you can reach across and
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  Speaker 2: hold their hand.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but do you know who it does matter for?
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  Speaker 2: It's the person who's stuck in cattle class while they're
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  Speaker 2: probably getting messages from the boyfriend living it up.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, does this not show that chivalry is dead?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if he's got the money to afford first class,
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  Speaker 2: why doesn't he do the decent thing and say, hey, here,
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: here's a surprise for you.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take your crap ticket and you can
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: sit up here. Yeah, true.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, let's be clear. He doesn't have the money.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: His parents have the money. Some of Sam's followers were
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: pretty confused by it all. Someone wrote, your boyfriend didn't
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: get you the same ticket. And then another person wrote,
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: why wouldn't your boyfriend pay for your upgrade? Weird as fuck.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: And Sam responded, because I want to pay my own
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: way for things. I totally get that. But I really
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: liked your idea, Sophie, of being like, hang on, this
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: guy clearly travels first class all the time.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: Give the experience to your girlfriend.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: Isn't this what caused the infamous friendship breakup between Sharni
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: Grimm and Michael Finch and.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: The rest of the gang?
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: Because wasn't it that she and Michael, no, she had
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: first class tickets and the rest of them were back
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: in cattle class and they literally used the whole flight
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: to bitch about her. And then everyone was against her
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: the whole trip. Like, This isn't a good move. Yeah,
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's a big no-no, particularly if you're traveling
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: with a group. Like that's just going to ostracize you
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: from day dot. It was quite funny though, despite being
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: in business class, Sam complained a lot. So she didn't
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: like the taste of the coffee. She said it tasted
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: like petrol and she also didn't sleep. She then later
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: showed vision of her lying next to her boyfriend under
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: white sheets. So it looked like she may have snuck
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: into first class or potentially he upgraded her on the
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: second leg.
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: Of the trip.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: It wasn't really clear. You know what Brian Smith's. I just,
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: I'm just Mrs. Enrique Iglesias.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: It's a colonial woman on the side of the plane.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Why does this remind me of you though, Kate?
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I feel like if you were to fly business class,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: you would probably, oh, sorry. But recent, like in recent times,
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: if you were to fly business class, I feel like
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: you would be the sort of person that would be
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: judging everything. Because you're kind of turning into our dad
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: who would do the same. Like our dad writes full
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: reviews on the flights he takes and the accommodation he
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: stays in when he goes on holiday. Well, I suppose
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: if you're paying top dollar, you expect a certain standard
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: of service. But I mean, doesn't this just say everything
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: that you need to know about this guy?
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Could he not have slummed it for one flight just
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: to be with his girlfriend? Like isn't the whole.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Part of the trip that you're spending time together?
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: But don't they say once you go first class you
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: can't go back?
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Let's be fair to him. He's only ever experienced first class.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to see the accommodation that they're staying at.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: I mean I'm guessing that he allows Sam to stay
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: in the same room as him at the five-star accommodation.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: She's down at the hostel. He's at the Mayfair. Brand
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: new soul fleece colours launching on pre-sale in our end
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: of financial year sales.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Australian activewear brand Stax has been placed into receivership.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Despite being touted as a $ 52.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Million business just four years ago, receivers were appointed on
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Wednesday to investigate the company's finances over outstanding debt. While
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: the news took customers by surprise, the writing has been
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: on the wall for some time. Yeah, there were some
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: clues that they were struggling in late 2024 when they
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: started closing their brick and mortar stores.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: And the offloading of their.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Stores rapidly escalated last year when the owners suddenly closed
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: six stores and sold three of their luxury cars, all
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: seemingly in a bid to save the business. At its peak,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Stacks had 12 stores, but by the time the.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Business was put into receivership on Wednesday... only two of
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: those stores remained.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the owners, Don Robertson and Matilda Murray, have
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: been pretty open about the issues with the stores. In
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: a recent interview on the Two Broke Chicks podcast, Matilda
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: admitted it wasn't a good decision to open the stores.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: And back in September, Don told the Daily Telegraph that
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: things hadn't been going well for the business for over
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: 12 months. He said, we decided last week we needed
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: to rapidly close the stores and pull the band-aid off
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: to ultimately save the business.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Clearly that hasn't really worked. I mean, this has been
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: a massive fall from grace for them.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Just four years ago, they were named on the AFR
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: rich list with an estimated worth of $ 70 million. And
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: at the time the company was booming, they had 160
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: staff and an estimated turnover of $ 30 million a year.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: And it's really sad to watch because their story was
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: really celebrated as this rags to riches one. And for
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: those who don't know the backstory, Don and Matilda are married.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: And it was actually Don who launched the brand in
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: 2015 from the spare room at his mum's house in Perth. Now,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: by early 2020, they were ready to call it quits,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: but they gave it one more crack, spending their life
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: savings to shoot a campaign for a new collection called
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Premium Seamless V2. Now, they were meant to fly in
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: a bunch of influencers from all over the country to
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: appear in a commercial. However, lockdown hit and Matilda ended
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: up modelling the activewear herself. Now, despite this hiccup, the
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: collection sold out in a matter of minutes and it's
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: really been a staple for a lot of influencers. I
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: think it's safe to say that Stacks' influencer marketing strategy
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: in the early 2020s was a big part of its success. Yeah,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I remember back then it seemed like every single influencer
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: and their dog was wearing Stacks.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, those who didn't own their own activewear brands.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: It's crazy though, because when I reflect, I haven't really
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: seen anyone speaking about them recently.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: The last I.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Heard of Stacks was actually when Steph Clare Smith and
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Laura Henshaw released an activewear line with them. So that
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: was in 2024. It actually sold out within 30 minutes.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: It's funny to reflect because the first big influencer Stacks
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: actually worked with was Steph Packer. Now, for those not
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: familiar with her, she is a Gold Coast influencer.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: She's in the fitness space.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: She's friends with Talia Skanes and her range of bike
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: shorts sold out in just 30 minutes. Then, of course,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: at the peak of the brand's popularity, they partnered with
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: TikToker Anna Paul. And at the time, she was also
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: in her peak of popularity and they created this limited
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: edition capsule collection. And they ended up shutting down the
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: city of Perth when they did a meet and greet
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: with Anna Paul at the Stax's store in Perth. So
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: it's crazy to think how this brand has gone downhill
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: in such a short amount of time. Remember they did
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: those massive runway shows as well. And literally every single
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: influencer in Australia was invited to it. And I think
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Was that where some shit went down with Addis Paul
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: and Sophia Begg? Didn't he bring her to the Stack
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: show just quickly after breaking up with Michaela Tester? Yeah,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I remember there was some beef between Michaela Tester and
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Addis Paul at the event. And a lot of influencers
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: actually modelled in the runway show because one of the
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: things that made Stack so popular was the fact that
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: they had a lot of diversity on the runway and
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: also in their campaigns. They were touted as the most
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: inclusive activewear brand in the world, offering sizes from extra,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: extra small to 4XL. So on the runway, there were
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: influencers as well as real customers. And that's why I
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: think it's quite sad because they were doing all the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: right things in terms of inclusivity. It's been really fascinating
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: to see how some activewear brands have had to evolve
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: in order to stay in the market.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: One that springs to mind is Beck Judd's brand, Jagged.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: In 2018, it was one of the hottest activewear brands
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: that you could be wearing. I remember it was so
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: expensive and they were really clever because they got a
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: lot of big influencers like Laura Henshaw and Brooke Hogan
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: on board to design their own capsules and they would
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: speak a lot about them on their own Instagrams. And
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: now I feel like Jagged has tried to evolve with
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: its audience. It's now promoting it to millennials who wore
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: them originally, but there is a bit of an older
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: vibe to the brand and they're sort of having to
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: rely on sales.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: So it's always, oh, three for a hundred dollars.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: But that makes me think that they're not doing that
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: well and that they've got a lot of stock to clear. Yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: But that's how they're staying.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: In the market.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: They've had to pivot their marketing strategy.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: They're going, okay, it's millennials who often are mums that
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: don't have heaps of money to spend on themselves and
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: who like a bargain.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I actually think that's pretty clever.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: In terms of why Stacks has gone into receivership, I
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: don't think it's so much that their influencer strategy wasn't working.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I think that they grew too quickly and they also
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: seemed quite insular in the fact that Matilda and Don
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: were very involved in the business from a granular level.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: They were running the Stax's VIP Facebook group. They prided
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: themselves on replying to DMs all the time. They were
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: very much in the thick of the business. They didn't
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: have any external investors. And I think that's probably where
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: the issue has come. They didn't have anyone saying, hang on,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: maybe you shouldn't go and open 12 stores, maybe open
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: one or.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Two, see how they go.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: While there has been a huge outpouring of support for
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Don and Matilda, I have also seen a lot of
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: criticism for some of the business practices that they did,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: particularly in April this year. So They did a pre-sale
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: and a lot of customers have said that they are
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: still waiting for items that they bought in that pre-sale.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: And just recently on their website, Stacks have closed down
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: the sale that they were running and they've got a
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: big Q & A up about what it means now
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: that they're in receivership. And the take-home message here is
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: that a lot of customers who shopped prior to them
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: going into receivership may actually not receive the items that
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: they bought and there are no mentions of a refund.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: The only time a refund has been brought up is
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: if you shopped after they went into receivership. So there
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: are people who have been shopping since April trying to
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: support the brand who are now saying, well, I'm hundreds
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: of dollars out of.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Pocket and they're not happy.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't be too happy either if I
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: was one of these people, particularly because there's been a
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: lot of criticism that Don and Matilda have been splashing
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: their cash. So if you're someone that follows them, because
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: they've somewhat become influencers in their own rights. And if
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: you're someone that follows them, you'd be like, oh, I'm
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: comfortable spending at this sale because it doesn't look like
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: money is any issue to them whatsoever. Well, they're now
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: both on private on Instagram, which is really interesting. Tammy
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Hembrough has revealed she tried to rekindle her romance with
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: baby daddy, Rhys Hawkins. The mega influencer admitted she went
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: on a date with her former fiance this year. So
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Tammy made the submission on her sister Emily Hembrough's podcast.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I think we broke this news ages ago.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, she dropped a lot of bombs during this episode.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: It's the most I've ever heard her reveal in a
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: long time. And as you said, Kate, this news shouldn't
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: come as such a surprise because back in January, the
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: rumor mill went into overdrive with reports that Tammy and
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Reese were patching things up. That's after eight years they've
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: been apart. So this was massive news because Tammy and
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Reese were the ultimate power couple in the 2010s. And
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: to this day, a lot of people stand their relationship. Now,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: back in January, the Gold Coast Bulletin and the Daily
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Telegraph ran with headlines of a Tammy and Reese reconciliation.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: And the publication referenced whispers from sources close to Tammy
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: saying she had rekindled things with Reese and had been
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: spending a considerable amount of time with him, and that
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: he'd been staying the night at her house. Now, Tammy
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: didn't shy away from any of this speculation. She, in fact,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: fueled it by posting with Reese on her Snapchat story. Now,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: this was fresh off the back of his breakup with
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: fitness influencer Liv Kelly, and he was seen sipping a
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: wine on Tammy's patio at night. He looked quite sheepish
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: when he noticed that Tammy was filming, and he covered
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: his face. The real kick in the dick to Matt
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Zukowski was, Rhys was drinking from a wine glass with
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Matt's initials on it. Well, Tammy also captioned this Snapchat,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: mum and dad, which was a bit, you know. I mean,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I wonder what the kids thought of all of this. Well,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: I remember we shared it to our Instagram account and
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Tammy commented under it, it's really not that deep, guys,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: with a laughing face. And sure, we have two kids
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: together and we are friends. But it seems like it
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: was deep, actually. And following these reports, we had an
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: outspoken listener slide into our DMs And deliver us some
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: absolute tea. So the listener who preferred to remain anonymous
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: just so happened to be swimming next to Tammy and
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Reese and their kids at the beach on New Year's Eve.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: And according to this anonymous listener, the former fiancés were
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: hugging in the water while Tammy's arms were around Reese's neck.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, you say according to the reports, but the
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: person sent the video, we've all watched it.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: It was very lovey-dovey.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: And I was adamant that they were going to come
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: out and announce that they were together. So when all
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: of this Grace and Timoana stuff came out, I.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Was like, no.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Well, at the time we decided not to share the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: video because we thought it was an invasion of their
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: privacy and maybe wasn't on because their kids were in
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: the vision. But now that she's admitted that they weren't
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: on a date, is this game on? Do we release
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: the vision now? maybe just blur the kids' faces. Maybe
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: we should actually put it out there when we put.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: This episode up.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Now speaking on Emily's podcast, Tammy revealed that of course,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: as we've said, the former couple.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Went on a date. Let's take a listen.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: I was like rooting for you and Reese to get
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: back together. I feel like a lot of people were.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: That was like my dream. We're just good friends now.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: And I guess seeing you guys friendly and co-parenting was
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: just so nice.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, We went on a date. We went
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: on a date together, guys.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: And I was like hanging for the update because.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I really thought. Emily, you literally like trying to make
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: us get back together so bad.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: I really was.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Because I also feel like he's just grown up and
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: he's just like, I really like the man he's become.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: You literally like don't even know him. From the couple
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: of times I saw him at your house.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: What the heck?
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: I just really was rooting for you guys. I was like,
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: how was that date? He's just a friend to me.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Love you, Bruce.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, same.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: This is an interesting story to tell considering Tammy is
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: actually dating someone else. What annoyed me is like she
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: didn't say how the date went.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, what happened?
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a bit weird to just go on
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: this random date with the father of your two children
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: who you were engaged to and what, it just fizzled out?
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know he lives in Bali, but surely
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: there's more children. That's the thing though, it's really difficult
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: because Tammy only reveals these things on her family members' podcasts,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: but then the sisters constantly interrupt one another so you never.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Actually hear the full story.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: The thing that is quite telling is that Emily was
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the one pushing them to get back together. And she
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: even seems sort of like giddy about it now. It's
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: quite clear that she thinks that Tammy should be with
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: a man as opposed to the current 23-year-old boy that
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: she is with. What surprised me the most was Tammy
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: revealing where she met Rhys. So I don't know if
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: she'd just been keeping this in her back pocket or
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: maybe she revealed it back in the day, but they
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: actually used to go to school together. He was a
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: year below her. And it seems like her sisters didn't
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: even know that fact. Like, how does that not come
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: up in conversation? And also when Emily was going on
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: that she was really rooting for Reese and Tammy to
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: get back together, Tammy was like, but you don't even
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: know him.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: But surely... Surely.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: When they were together and had two children together, the
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: sisters would have got to know him a little bit. Well,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: was that more based on the comment that they made
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: that Rhys has really grown up and that he's really changed?
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Like maybe they haven't spent a lot of time with
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: him recently. I mean, I was surprised that they were
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: so pro-Rhys when you consider the fact that he lives
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: in Bali and he doesn't really do much to help
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: bring those kids up. Well, his ex-wife, London Gowan, seemed
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: to have a recent potshot at him on Father's Day
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: in America when she shared a photo with her new
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: boyfriend and basically said how, what an amazing role model
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: he's been in Stone's life.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: It seemed to be a bit, you know.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Directed at Reese being not there. Now getting back to
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Grayson for a second, Tammy revealed in this podcast that
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: she met Grayson in real life. So it seems like
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: they did meet at one of those influencer events. And
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Emily started asking a lot of questions about what it's
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: like dating when your partner is on social media and.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Also has a profile.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: You could tell they don't approve of it, but they're
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: trying to stay out of it. Like the way they
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: were like, oh, do you take his photos and does
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: he take yours? And I just loved it because sisters
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: can get away with that type of rising, particularly when
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: they had the microphones in front of them. Like you
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: could tell that Tammy would probably be like, fuck off usually. Yeah,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: because Emily really started grilling her and was like, oh,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: so do you encourage Grayson to post about your relationship?
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And Tammy was like, oh, it's not really a thing.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: We don't talk about it.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, clearly the sisters were referencing those weird over
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: the top TikToks that they're sharing about.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: You know, being the one and in love and all
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: The whole premise of this episode was like, what's a
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: red flag and a green flag in relationships. But it
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: was quite funny because Emily and Amy are both happily married.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: So all of the questions were like directed straight at Tammy.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: And I loved how Emily and Amy were both like, oh,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: we only really decipher red flags based off Tammy's past relationships. Well,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I said at the start of this segment that she
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: dropped a lot of bombs and she really did. I mean,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: if I was Matt Zukowski, I would have not been
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: happy listening to this episode because she opened up for
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: the first time about that infamous Grand Prix messaging scandal.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: So to refresh everyone's memories quickly, following the Glamour on
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the Grids event, which Tammy and Matt attended together, screenshots
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: of a private conversation between Matt and another woman were
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: shared on a gossip account and it appeared that Matt
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: DM'd this woman at 3am on the night of the
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: event asking if she had a boyfriend and since then
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Matt has come out and said he was acting as
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: a wingman for his friend and was asking on his behalf.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: He also blamed alcohol saying he was very intoxicated. Now
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: a year on from their separation Tammy has chosen to
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: open up about this incident.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: For the first time.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: And while she didn't name Matt, she made it crystal
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: clear that she was, of course, speaking about him. She
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: said that she was engaged when this incident took place
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: and went on to marry the person.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: And of course, she.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Referenced this much publicized incident. So let's take a listen
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: to some of what she said.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: In my past relationship, there was a lot of, um,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, like there's stuff that came out publicly about
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: people sliding into people's DMs.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we held a family. In that relationship, that was
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: a huge thing.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: And to the end, part of the reason why it ended,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: like it was a massive, massive thing. And honestly, my bad.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: I forgave at times I shouldn't have forgiven. And things happened.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Again and again.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I think the thing is like you forgive, but you don't,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: it's hard to get by. So like, it's not really
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: a full forgiveness because the trust isn't there.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like I could never, ever do that ever again.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Like once that trust is broken, it's goodbye.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised that she's even talking about this, to be honest.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: It happened so long ago now and it just To me,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I feel like they need to just stop talking about
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: each other, Tammy and Matt.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: It's like it's over. You're with someone new. It was
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: unfortunate what happened.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, we've discussed in recent times how we're now
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: team Matt.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: So I don't know how to feel about this.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I just think it's pretty wild that she's blaming this
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: incident for the breakdown of their marriage. I mean, she's
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: saying that it caused a lot of trust issues and
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: was the root cause of their divorce. I think Matt
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Zukowski would provide some other reasons perhaps for their separation
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: than just this one-off incident. I also think it's interesting
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: that Tammy said that things like that happened again and again.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: So she is trying to paint Matt Zukowski as a cheater.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I really do hope that he comes out on his
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: own platform and clears this up because I think it
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: was a little bit unfair.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: But I don't think Matt's going to touch on it
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: because from what I've heard, I think he's over it.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want this to define him anymore.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: But Tammy keeps going back to it.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Obviously, she knows talking about her relationship's continues to get
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: her views. It gets people engaged in her life. Well,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I just think it's a bit unfair to say that
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: this was the cause of the divorce, basically, because it
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: happened before the wedding.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, she could have called things off.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Now, Tammy's sisters, Emily and Amy, went on to reveal
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: that they actually had a family intervention following the incident.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: And it sounded like Matt was at the intervention because
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: At the end, he apparently was very upset and said,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: can we all.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Just hug it out?
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: They also made this comment and it wasn't directed at
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Matt Sikowsky, but it was clear they were talking about
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: him saying, oh, another thing that they think is a
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: red flag, this was Amy and Emily, is when a
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: guy comes around and you've only met him once or
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: twice and he starts acting like your brothers and sisters
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: and is really cocky and confident around the family. I
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: thought that was interesting because I remember, I think Tammy
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: and Matt had only been dating for a month or
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: so when they had that New Year's Eve party at
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Tammy's house. And he kept talking about Tammy's house, apparently as.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: If it was his own.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I just feel like there were just potshots going
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: back and forth about him because Amy said that she
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: has no sympathy for when someone does the wrong thing
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: and plays the victim. I mean, I feel like they
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: were sort of referring that he played the victim.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: On I'm a Celeb.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And then Tammy went on to say that she's since
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: learned that that type of behavior is someone's characteristic and
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: it's not something that you can fix in someone. In
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: saying that, I think I would take her learnings on
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: board a little bit more or take it a bit
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: more seriously if she wasn't dating who she's currently.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Dating, because she was giddy over this guy. She was saying.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, like she's like, oh, you know, but he
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: hangs out with guys that are a lot older and
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: it's not as weird as it sounds, but And she
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: was saying that, you know, she's got so many cute
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: videos of him on her phone and she just is
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: dying to share more about it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: It's like, babe, you've shared too much already.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: But also from what we've heard about him, it sounds
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: as if he may have cheated on his last girlfriend
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: to be with Tammy. So if that's not saying, hey,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: that is a characteristic of mine, I don't know what
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: else is.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Listening to the interview, it's very clear that she loves love.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Like, She was just saying she loves seeing other people's
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: relationship videos and she's just dying to share more.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Like she clearly gets caught up in it.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Well, they also spoke about love bombing and it's like
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: clearly that's what's happening in this instance. It's like you've
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: been together for barely any time and it's all like
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: this lovey-dovey stuff. Like anyway, I don't think she has
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: learned from her past mistakes. And to her credit, she
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: said that she feels like people can talk about her
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: relationship because she openly shares it online.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: You know, she's inviting people to speak about it.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: So at least she's got a little bit of, self-awareness there.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Well, on that note, I think that is all we
• 36:31
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• 36:33
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