Latest / #Faith4TodayPodcast / Ep. 56 - Studying the Story of God | How to Read the Bible with Depth, Clarity, and Love
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- 0:00The Bible is the best selling book of all time, and yet for
- 0:03many of us, it's one of the least.
- 0:05Read. Not because we don't care,
- 0:07because Scripture can feel confusing, intimidating, or
- 0:10reduced to a spiritual task instead of a pathway into rich
- 0:15life and communion with God. In this episode, we're
- 0:18rediscovering the discipline of study, not as dry information,
- 0:23but as an act of love, humility, and apprenticeship.
- 0:26From Jesus's temptation and Luke 4 to the unified story that
- 0:30leads to him, we're going to explore how thoughtful
- 0:33engagement with Scripture deepens our meditation, shapes
- 0:36our lives, and forms us into people who think, live, and love
- 0:40like Jesus. It's episode 56.
- 0:44Let's go. Well, welcome everybody to
- 0:50episode 56 of the Faith for Today podcast.
- 0:54My name is Matthew. I'm your host.
- 0:56And in this episode, like always, our desire is to help
- 1:00you walk away inspired from a Sunday message, but integrating
- 1:04those truths to a life of loyalty on Thursdays.
- 1:08We don't want just that Sunday morning faith, but we want to
- 1:11have that loyalty to Jesus that we embody Monday through Monday,
- 1:16right? Like an everyday kind of a life
- 1:19lived in love with Christ. And so I'm thankful that you're
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- 1:53here. So I'm going to recap a Sunday
- 1:55message, going to share a little bonus content.
- 1:58And then I'm going to respond to four questions this week based
- 2:02on the message that we brought entitled Studying the Story of
- 2:08God, where we want to study the story of God.
- 2:11And in the teaching, I begin by naming just kind of of a unique
- 2:14moment that we live in in our day where the Bible is the best
- 2:18selling book of all time, yet it's one of the least read.
- 2:21Most of us own a Bible, but few of us regularly engage it.
- 2:25And for many, Scripture has become maybe even confusing,
- 2:28intimidating, or reduced to just a spiritual task instead of this
- 2:32pathway into life with God. In the message, I kind of remind
- 2:37us that the Bible isn't just a single book.
- 2:40It's it's really a library and A and a collection of writings.
- 2:43And as apprentices of Jesus, thoughtful, regular engagement
- 2:48with this library is essential because from far more is at
- 2:52stake than what we realize. We looked at Luke chapter 4,
- 2:57where Jesus faces temptation in the wilderness, and he responds
- 3:02by quoting Scripture, showing both how deeply scripture shaped
- 3:06him and how easily it can be twisted by the deceiver who used
- 3:10the Scripture in the temptations themselves.
- 3:13That's why in the message, I call us to a discipline of study
- 3:17to find a rhythm of of not just reading, but carefully learning
- 3:21what the text actually says, what it meant to its original
- 3:26audience and context, and what it means for us today.
- 3:30Because the Bible was written in different languages, cultures,
- 3:32genres, and across a unified story, that really does lead us
- 3:36to Jesus. And we need humility, we need to
- 3:39discover tools and learn how to use them.
- 3:42We need teachers and guides along the way.
- 3:44And more than anything, we need to be able to study and read and
- 3:47reflect within community. Study, when it is rooted kind of
- 3:52in our discipleship, doesn't replace kind of spiritual
- 3:56reading or or meditation of scripture.
- 3:59It actually deepens it and widens our understanding of who
- 4:03God is. And when our motivation is love
- 4:06and union with God will then scripture becomes not a burden,
- 4:09but a gift that forms us into people who think, live and love
- 4:14like Jesus. Let's get into a little bit of
- 4:16bonus content now. One of the things that I think
- 4:20is really helpful, that I have found very helpful in engaging
- 4:24in the study of scripture is to have a few filters that kind of
- 4:28anchor me to the reality of the larger story.
- 4:31In other words, anything that I would look at in a meta way, in
- 4:35a, in a really minute way or a focused way has to have anchor
- 4:40points into the larger story that got us telling in the
- 4:43scriptures. And if it doesn't really, if it
- 4:45contradicts some of these key things that we see repeated
- 4:49throughout the entirety of the story of God, well then that
- 4:52really does help our interpretation and our
- 4:55application not get too, too skewed or too screwy or too off
- 4:59off the tracks. And so for me, I have like 3
- 5:03themes in God's story that I keep in mind when I'm
- 5:06interpreting a passage, when I'm trying to examine a little more
- 5:10fully what a passage is, trying to say how, how to even apply it
- 5:14to my life. It's got to kind of pass through
- 5:16some filters. For me, the first filter that I
- 5:18have is creation and new creation.
- 5:21In other words, taking into account what God created in the
- 5:25garden in Genesis originally before sin, and what kind of
- 5:29revelation and the prophet Isaiah and other places in
- 5:32Scripture tell us about what new creation looks like, what what
- 5:36Paul tells us that what it means to be a new creation in Christ.
- 5:39What's going to happen when God renews all of the cosmos and
- 5:44when Christ returns again, Like when I hold those that theme of
- 5:49creation and new creation in into to view, it really helps
- 5:53me. I'm kind of filter and interpret
- 5:56parts of scripture to really mean that that that's the that's
- 6:00where it started and that's the ultimate goal.
- 6:02And so if this understanding of anyone text kind of like takes
- 6:06me out of that, well, then there's nothing helpful.
- 6:08I use the example of Isaiah 55 in the message right this past
- 6:13this this Sunday when I talked talked on this because the the
- 6:17reality is that Isaiah 55 says the trees of the field will clap
- 6:21their hands, right. Well, if you're looking at that
- 6:22and you're trying to interpret that literally and what does
- 6:24that mean for me without situating it in the
- 6:27understanding of how God created creation and what he's going to
- 6:30do in new creation. Well, then you missed that
- 6:33Isaiah is just poetically saying that there's going to be
- 6:35rejoicing when creation is restored.
- 6:39But that's the idea and that that there's a a worthiness of
- 6:43praise that belongs to God from all of creation.
- 6:46But he's not saying that trees are going to like rise up and
- 6:49walk and like have animation and things of that nature.
- 6:52I'm not saying that it can't happen.
- 6:53I'm just saying that's not what Isaiah was intending to say or
- 6:56prophecy about. He was talking about a new
- 6:59creation reality. And so keeping in mind that
- 7:02filter of creation and new creation really helps me
- 7:06interpret certain passages. And it's a great filter to hold
- 7:11as I'm looking at the whole story of God.
- 7:14Again, because this is a story about God revealing Jesus to his
- 7:18people, not necessarily a story about God's people or or about
- 7:23me even. It's really a story about God.
- 7:26The second filter that I have is the idea and the truth found in
- 7:30Scripture of covenant for union's sake.
- 7:33In other words, and God is a covenant making God many
- 7:36covenants in the Old Testament that we see, and they were
- 7:39intended to create union and trust in a partnership in, in,
- 7:45in, in connection with God and humanity because God has always
- 7:48been after union with humanity. God has wanted that.
- 7:53That's again, that's the idea of creation.
- 7:55That's the ultimate goal of new creation.
- 7:57And a covenant is the way in which we relate to God.
- 8:01You can think of it a covenant in terms of like the rules of
- 8:03engagement for a relationship with God and God with us, like
- 8:07things that we can count on him for and things that he's
- 8:10counting and expecting of us in return.
- 8:13The obedience side of the covenant, the, the way in which
- 8:16we keep the covenant, the markers of the covenant, the and
- 8:19so all throughout life and all throughout the Scripture,
- 8:21rather, even in a New Testament understanding, there are
- 8:24covenant realities designed for union with God.
- 8:28So, so, so communion, right? That is a covenant making kind
- 8:33of like a marital covenant making symbolic or, or, or a
- 8:40ceremony if you will. It's the, the, the bread and the
- 8:44wine and the language Jesus uses at communion at the Last Supper.
- 8:49It is ceremonial and of a union and a betrothal between a
- 8:54husband and wife. And so it's covenant language
- 8:57for the purpose of union with humanity.
- 8:59So God is a God who makes covenants so that he can be in
- 9:03union and there can be proper relationship with humanity.
- 9:06And so when you understand that as part of what God is after
- 9:10what God is doing, we understand the rules of engagement, we
- 9:13understand relationships and just helps us keep that in in
- 9:17mind, keeps us from thinking in terms of in this next one will
- 9:21too. But the understanding of
- 9:22covenant helps us situate God's sovereignty and our
- 9:27participation properly because the covenant wasn't between 2
- 9:32equals. Most of every covenant God made
- 9:35was God was superior and the people he was making a covenant
- 9:38where were definitely inferior. But you get to experience that.
- 9:43It's the rules of engagement, which leads me to kind of a more
- 9:46New Testament of filter, but it is represented in the Old
- 9:51Testament as well. And that's the filter of
- 9:53stewardship and part as partnership.
- 9:56All of our life is a stewardship in partnering with God, all of
- 10:02it. Like that's God's part.
- 10:04And so the role that we play is a participation from a within a
- 10:08covenant leading us to creation and new creation.
- 10:12Like that's kind of the stepping.
- 10:14So when Jesus calls us friends in the Bible, he's not saying,
- 10:18Hey, you're my buddy. He's actually making a an
- 10:21understanding of a client patron relationship.
- 10:24We talked about this in last year a little bit, but a client
- 10:27patron relationship where where he supplied something and those
- 10:31on the recipient then returned their loyalty, their fidelity
- 10:34and represented their interest in the community.
- 10:37And so we represent the interests of our King in our
- 10:41lives as ambassadors. And so this stewardship as a
- 10:45partnership and ambassadorship is part of how we live out our
- 10:50faith for the Lord in covenant union with him as we move
- 10:55towards the new creation of the renewal of all things.
- 10:58And so these three filters, creation and new creation,
- 11:02covenant for union or with union and then stewardship as a
- 11:07partnership, that these are things that I have found helpful
- 11:12in understanding and interpreting scripture because
- 11:14they keep me anchored to understanding and interpreting
- 11:19the larger story of what God is after in all things.
- 11:22There are times when you're reading Scripture where you have
- 11:25to hold attention of what seems like opposing ideas.
- 11:29Those aren't contradictions. Those are meant to tether us and
- 11:33strengthen us in understanding, in understanding God.
- 11:37You have two hands for a reason, so you can carry two kinds of
- 11:39truths at the same same time. Remember, Scripture interprets
- 11:43Scripture. We to use Tara Lee's, Tara Lee
- 11:46cobbles in the Bible, recap her phrase.
- 11:48We don't shout where Scripture whispers and we don't whisper
- 11:51where Scripture shouts. There are some things that are
- 11:54mysterious. Again, two tensions, right?
- 11:57God is the one who saves us and we are the one that responds in
- 12:02repentance. So there's a a work within it
- 12:05that we do, an action that we take in order to be recipients
- 12:09of a covenant. It's just not automatically
- 12:11assumed or applied to us. There is a reception of it.
- 12:15And then there's a loyalty that we, we return to him, which is
- 12:18what salvation and saving faith look like, to trust him enough
- 12:22to give him our loyalty and our love.
- 12:24And so it feels like man is this and that.
- 12:26I mean, we, we get this tension in Paul a lot where it seems
- 12:30like Paul says one thing and then there's something else, but
- 12:33they're not contradicting. They're just two truths that we
- 12:37hold intention with each other, that we recognize Forgiveness is
- 12:42a gift that God gives us. However, Jesus said if you don't
- 12:46forgive other people, you're not going to get forgiveness from my
- 12:49Father in heaven. So which one is it?
- 12:50Is forgiveness a free gift or is it something that is only
- 12:54received when we also reciprocate it?
- 12:56It's attention that we hold. There's some mystery involved in
- 13:00it. We're not always going to
- 13:02understand everything in scripture, but our goal of
- 13:04studying scripture is to understand what we can and and
- 13:09have revelation where God through his Spirit is giving us
- 13:13revelation. I love Andrew Wilson's quote.
- 13:16He's a reformed Bible teacher from London who says this.
- 13:19Ultimately, our trust in the Bible stems from our trust in
- 13:22Jesus Christ. I don't trust in Jesus because I
- 13:26trust the Bible. I trust the Bible because I
- 13:28trust in Jesus. I love him and I've decided to
- 13:31follow him. So if he talks and acts as if
- 13:33the Bible is trustworthy, authoritative, good, helpful,
- 13:37and powerful, which Jesus does, I will too, even if some of my
- 13:42questions remain unanswered or my answers remain unpopular.
- 13:49And I think understanding creation, new creation,
- 13:51covenant, union, and stewardship as a partnership are all
- 13:55revealed in the person of Jesus. And that makes a great filter
- 13:59when trying to interpret Scripture and letting Scripture
- 14:02interpret Scripture and anchoring us into mystery, even
- 14:06when there is tension and mystery that we can't fully
- 14:10resolve when it comes to study. The second thing I would say
- 14:13that I didn't really get to is pick an area of study for the
- 14:17season of life that you're in. In other words, your life is
- 14:21long and God willing, you're going to have decades to study
- 14:24the scriptures. And I want to encourage you to
- 14:27pick an area of study and live there maybe for a little bit of
- 14:30time, a year, even maybe longer, right?
- 14:34That that can, that could be a book of the Bible that you're
- 14:36really just trying to to meditate on and, and grab things
- 14:40out of. I know somebody that's been
- 14:41reading Hebrews really, really slowly in conjunction with doing
- 14:45like the Bible recap. There are there are times where
- 14:47I was going through the Psalms really, really slowly for almost
- 14:51an entire year while also doing the full like Bible recap and
- 14:55other things. Sometimes it could be a book in
- 14:57the Bible that you're really trying to spend long term just
- 15:02examining and it could be a biblical theme or maybe even a
- 15:07word study. There's a Bible called the
- 15:10Thompson Chain Reference Bible. It's one of my first study
- 15:12Bibles and I loved it because it kind of did a great job of of
- 15:16pulling all of the cross references and it was like an
- 15:19exhaustive concordance for all of the Scriptures that had to do
- 15:24with certain topics, themes, or words.
- 15:27And we kind of give you a full corpus of Scripture listing all
- 15:30the things where this word was used.
- 15:32And so it really helps you do a dive into a word study where you
- 15:36could take a word or a phrase in scripture or a theme in
- 15:39Scripture and see how it shows up throughout all of the
- 15:43scriptures. It's a great way to, to do a
- 15:45Bible study. I, I, I find it, I have a friend
- 15:50who says that she every year it feels like the Lord kind of
- 15:53highlights a certain kind of theme as she's reading, right.
- 15:56With one year it was eyes and eyesight.
- 15:59Like I just kept showing her things about eyes and eyesight
- 16:02throughout all of the scripture that she just kind of learned
- 16:04and, and understood. I remember a couple years ago
- 16:07for me everywhere there was mountains and trees mentioned in
- 16:11the scripture. The Lord just had like grabbed
- 16:14my attention. The Holy Spirit made me stop and
- 16:15focus on on those things. I I think that's a really
- 16:19important way in which we read the scriptures.
- 16:23I have topics of study that through the years I've just
- 16:27slowly paid attention to as I've read through the scripture.
- 16:30I already mentioned mountains and trees one year.
- 16:33It was understanding this idea of allegiance several years ago,
- 16:37another year, I just began to really dig into the scriptures
- 16:40around grace as it relates to the gift of the Spirit and just
- 16:45noticing all through the New Testament and Old Testament how
- 16:48a gift and the spirit and grace were kind of all like used what
- 16:52seemed like interchangeably depending on the text.
- 16:56I remember a couple years ago I spent a lot of time in
- 16:58eschatology really diving into revelation a little bit and
- 17:01trying to understand some the return of Christ and where I
- 17:06land in some of the larger scopes of of of those things.
- 17:11Sometimes I spend some time looking at the unseen realm, did
- 17:14a study on that, kind of did a deeper dive as I'm allowed based
- 17:19on the season of life and what I just felt like the Lord was
- 17:21asking me to lean into. I often choose a theme or
- 17:25something that I'm studying based on curiosity, based on
- 17:29nudges from the spirit, and often times based on necessity.
- 17:32Whether it be because of a seasonal experience or a sermon
- 17:35subject that I'm I'm going to be diving into.
- 17:37And as I meditate or slowly read a text, I will at times notice
- 17:41something that piques my curiosity.
- 17:44That's what I will often just pause and study for.
- 17:46My own personal growth recently occurred in Job 42 when it says
- 17:51Job was having more kids as part of the restoration of all things
- 17:55in his life. And then it names only like 3 of
- 17:58his kids and they were only daughters.
- 18:01That kind of piqued my interest. That was kind of an odd thing.
- 18:03It was kind of something I got curious about and I did a bit of
- 18:06a dive into what were their names, what did they mean and
- 18:09what would maybe be the significance that they would
- 18:12list only those things. And I found a really cool
- 18:14redemptive thread that really brought out some, I think,
- 18:18intention of new creation and creation and the the value of
- 18:22some things. It was just a really great way
- 18:25to study. And so follow your curiosity,
- 18:28follow the nudges of the Holy Spirit and pay attention to what
- 18:32what are you in right now? Are you in a season where you
- 18:34really need to understand healing?
- 18:37Then then study out healing. If you're in a season where you
- 18:39really want to understand prayer well, then study prayer.
- 18:42Notice it as you read through the text throughout the year of,
- 18:45follow curiosity, follow the nudges of the Spirit, and pay
- 18:49attention to your season of life, something that might feel
- 18:53more needed or vital for your formation here and now.
- 18:57And that's how I have determined what I study and when I study
- 19:02it. Now, when it comes to
- 19:03interpreting scripture, a good or even having a good rhythm of
- 19:09study, even when I get ready to teach, when I'm studying to get
- 19:14ready to teach, there's kind of like 3 kind of movements to
- 19:17study or three components to a good study process or a good
- 19:21hermeneutic of a current trying to the process of interpreting
- 19:24scripture, if you will. 3 three things that are incorporate good
- 19:29study kind of process. Number one, it's intrigue #2
- 19:34interpretation and #3 integration.
- 19:36So intrigue, this is where you just kind of observe, you ask
- 19:39questions like what's going on here in the text?
- 19:42How is God revealing himself? Kind of just observe, right #2
- 19:47you have interpretation. OK, What's going on here?
- 19:49That was Got revealing himself. That's the first question.
- 19:52The second question of the interpretation is, what does
- 19:54this mean? What did this mean for them?
- 19:57What did this text mean to them then?
- 19:59And how do we apply it to our life now?
- 20:01This is the the interpretation part of it.
- 20:04We're really trying to figure out what did it mean to them?
- 20:07What does it mean in general? What is this implication here?
- 20:12So we have intrigue. It's kind of we get curious and
- 20:14we observe some things. Then we get to interpretation
- 20:17kind of the meaning behind it. What did it mean for them
- 20:20originally? What did they hear?
- 20:22What did they understand? And then third, we get to
- 20:24integration or or participation. And this is how do we play our
- 20:29part in the story. This is where we ask the
- 20:31question, how is God coming to me personally through this text
- 20:36and how do I integrate it into my life?
- 20:38How do I obey this truth? How do I live honoring this
- 20:43characteristics of God? How do I participate in this?
- 20:47What, what does it look like? So intrigue, observation,
- 20:50interpretation, and then integration.
- 20:53These are three components of interpreting and studying
- 20:57Scripture that we use all the time.
- 20:59This is kind of three questions or three movements when I'm
- 21:02looking at a text, getting ready to teach or or preach it, I'm
- 21:06using and asking those kind of set of questions to walk through
- 21:10and to help us really find faithfulness to to the text.
- 21:15At the end of the day, when it comes to study, can I just
- 21:18encourage you don't try to to use shortcuts, right?
- 21:21Don't like just go Google and answer.
- 21:24Don't just ChatGPT and answer. Look at your resources, Search
- 21:30the the, the dictionaries, look at the original words using a
- 21:33lexicon or something. Use again, logos.com,
- 21:37biblehub.com, some great online resources to help you kind of
- 21:42get at some information. Talk with other people about
- 21:46what it is that you're seeing, observing the questions that you
- 21:48have. Don't just go to ChatGPT because
- 21:51here's why ChatGPT will give you an answer, Google will give you
- 21:54an answer, AI will give you an answer, but they may not have
- 21:57access to resources that are are are required paid.
- 22:01Like if you pay for a Bible dictionary, they're not going to
- 22:04have access to that. Why?
- 22:05Because they're only using public domain knowledge to
- 22:08really search and know and understand it.
- 22:11And so they can't really give you sometimes accurate
- 22:14information. And if you don't know a lot of
- 22:17what, what you're studying, you can easily be fooled using AI
- 22:21just to find and whatever. Now, I'm not saying it never do
- 22:24it or or you can't do it, but you've got to kind of ask it
- 22:27within the context of scripture. Like it's a good help.
- 22:30Like if you're trying to search the Scripture, Hey, where else
- 22:32in the Bible does it talk about X?
- 22:35You know, Google or Chai GBT may may help you find some of that
- 22:39contextually and find other scriptures that might relate to
- 22:43it. But ultimately you want to kind
- 22:47of get some good study practices of reading scripture, letting
- 22:50Scripture interpret scripture, utilizing resources like a
- 22:53dictionary study, Bible notes, if you can, some commentaries,
- 22:57things like that to get to get those specific kind of responses
- 23:02and questions within your within your study.
- 23:04At the end of the day, the goal of our study is to incorporate a
- 23:09discipline of study in an ongoing life with God.
- 23:12We're not trying to, to make study be some extra thing.
- 23:15It's not just an academic endeavor.
- 23:17It's actually a design to help us grow closer to God for the,
- 23:21for the everyday father of Jesus.
- 23:23Now, if you're going into seminary because you're going to
- 23:25be a minister or a teacher, there's some different academic
- 23:27things, right? If you're really trying to get
- 23:30into some apologetics, you might get into some more academic
- 23:33things. But I think by and large, most
- 23:35of us, we're just wanting to understand the context of what
- 23:38we're reading and we're wanting to know God more.
- 23:41So keep that as the front goal and and that that emphasis,
- 23:45which is why study doesn't necessarily need to replace
- 23:48meditation or even be like an extra time period in your life
- 23:53where you're doing it. I think it's actually best to
- 23:55embed it in your meditation practice of your slowing down to
- 24:00read. When you get to the
- 24:02contemplation part of of the scripture, when you're reading
- 24:05and then contemplating it, considering it, there might be
- 24:10something that piques your curiosity.
- 24:12Go study that, look into that, dig into that for a minute and
- 24:15then come back. It's a prayerfully understanding
- 24:19it and putting it before the Lord and asking the Lord what
- 24:21he's speaking to you and revealing to you in that that
- 24:24process. Trust the Holy Spirit's voice to
- 24:26guide you in that very thing because here's the the danger
- 24:30that Jesus gave you know, when it came to just intellectual
- 24:33accumulation of information and John 539 through 40.
- 24:38Jesus said I like this. You pour over the scriptures
- 24:40because you think you have eternal life in them, and yet
- 24:45they, meaning the scriptures, testify about me.
- 24:48But you are not willing to come to me so that you may have life,
- 24:53finding and searching the scriptures to study, to know, to
- 24:57gain information, so that you have learned and you think by
- 25:00accumulating knowledge you're going to have more life.
- 25:04You won't. Life eternal comes from
- 25:08relationship with Jesus. So any information that you
- 25:12gain, if it doesn't lead you to a greater intimacy with Jesus is
- 25:18knowledge that is wasted. It's knowledge that will puff
- 25:21you up. It's knowledge that will not
- 25:24produce eternal life in you. Why?
- 25:26Because you're not willing to come to Him and find life.
- 25:31Life is found in the person of Christ, in union with Father,
- 25:35Son and Spirit. This triune God that we hold to
- 25:38and believe and we follow any level of information ought to
- 25:42lead us into deeper intimacy with the Lord in in those
- 25:46things. So This is why study is a key
- 25:48component of being an apprentice of Jesus, because study helps us
- 25:51understand God, helps us understand the truth of God, and
- 25:54allows us to enter into deeper intimacy and union, communing
- 26:00with Father, Son, and Spirit. And so we want to build study
- 26:04into our discipline or to our routine, into our time of
- 26:08engaging as we practice Scripture together.
- 26:11All right, let's get to a few questions and response today.
- 26:16Here's the first question that says this.
- 26:18How can I realistically build a habit of studying the Bible when
- 26:23my schedule is already full and I struggle with consistency?
- 26:28Such an honest question, to be to be frank.
- 26:31I think that the best thing to do again is to incorporate it
- 26:35into your normal reading and meditating schedule.
- 26:40I think it is best than to use digital resources, right?
- 26:45So again, the Logos app that you can have a free account, you can
- 26:51do all of your reading there. You can click on something and
- 26:54it's going to automatically take you to just understanding a
- 26:56word, a phrase, something like that.
- 26:58And so, or if you have a study Bible, right, you're, you've got
- 27:03your Bible, you're reading and you come to something that
- 27:05you're curious about, then you can just go straight down and
- 27:07look at man, what's the study note here say, or, or what's a
- 27:10cross reference? Where else is this word or
- 27:12phrase used in the Scriptures? And you can kind of use that
- 27:15middle column in your Bible that's kind of got the little
- 27:18subscript or, or postscript kind of thoughts right, where the
- 27:21little, little numbers or letters your Bible might have
- 27:24that tells you, Hey, here's another reverse reference that
- 27:27that cross references this verse.
- 27:29And we look at a couple of those.
- 27:31Follow that trail just for a quick little bit.
- 27:33It doesn't have to take long. And if you have those things all
- 27:37ready to go, you can easily incorporate into your normal
- 27:39reading and meditation. Now, I'm not trying to say that
- 27:42you need to be quick and short with your, your study.
- 27:45I actually think that we need to not try to do less than our
- 27:51Bible reading. I think we need to cut out more
- 27:53things in our life so that we have time for Bible reading and
- 27:56study. If you're trying to have a drive
- 28:00through relationship with God where you're just zooming
- 28:03through your daily routine and not really spending time with
- 28:07Him in the process, I think you're doing it wrong.
- 28:09I think you're short circuiting what God is trying to do and
- 28:13you, you don't need a quick two-minute conversation with God
- 28:17and call it a relationship. It it's actually what is it you
- 28:22are cutting out of your life to make space to spend time with
- 28:27God. Maybe that means you're you're,
- 28:28you're doing less entertainment at night.
- 28:31Maybe that means you're getting up a little bit earlier.
- 28:35Maybe it means that you're cutting out social media through
- 28:39your day. There are ways to engage in this
- 28:42process consistently. And so I think incorporating the
- 28:47study, allowing your following your curiosity as you read
- 28:51daily, that's where it goes a long way.
- 28:54Remember, you don't have to exhaust everything and know
- 28:57everything about something. Just get your curiosity be
- 29:01answered in that moment and allow it to help enhance and
- 29:05accentuate what you're learning about God in that passage.
- 29:09A little bit goes a long, a long way.
- 29:12Again, can I just put this in in frame where we think it's going
- 29:15to take so long and this is it is going to be different at
- 29:19first because you're not like you used to study.
- 29:22Maybe you're not used to using those resources or looking
- 29:24things up or like you'll get better practice at it.
- 29:28So give yourself grace there. But remember, Jesus says He
- 29:32wants to give us Our Daily Bread.
- 29:33It's not a daily buffet. I think a little bit of
- 29:37understanding that day is good for now, and we'll come back to
- 29:42more understanding the next day or later in the night.
- 29:45Don't try to stuff yourself so full at the buffet when God's
- 29:49just trying to give you daily bread.
- 29:53And I don't mean that it's wrong to to want more time in the
- 29:56Word. And if you have the time and can
- 29:58make the time, then spend the time.
- 30:00But don't by any means guilt trip yourself to thinking you
- 30:05don't know everything that that text is trying to communicate.
- 30:08So you're not going to learn anything.
- 30:10Learn something, get the daily bread.
- 30:13Don't try to create a daily buffet in the scriptures in the
- 30:17text. And I think sometimes that takes
- 30:18the pressure off of us and allows us just to be in the
- 30:22moment with the Lord, understanding what he is trying
- 30:25to impress on our heart in that moment for that day, in this
- 30:29time, and knowing that you'll come back to it another time.
- 30:32Again, hopefully this isn't the only time you plan to read the
- 30:35Bible all the way through. Hopefully this isn't the only
- 30:37time you're coming. You've got a lifelong journey of
- 30:40studying and learning these things with God.
- 30:42So be good with daily bread and not try to hoard out for daily
- 30:48buffet of of understanding. Here's the next question.
- 30:53How do I know if I'm interpreting scripture correctly
- 30:56and not just reading on my reading my own assumptions or
- 31:00cultural views into the text? This is a really challenge for
- 31:05for all of us, myself included, because I'm coming to the text
- 31:07with the bias. I'm coming to the text with a
- 31:09perspective and understanding. I'm, I'm coming to the, the text
- 31:12with cultural things. I'm coming to the text with what
- 31:15I've been taught. I'm we're, we're not coming as a
- 31:18blank page. That's true.
- 31:19And we have to kind of know that about ourselves and try to
- 31:24interpret something, see something in the text that isn't
- 31:26there. I'll use this as an example.
- 31:30I can't tell you the number of times I have seen incorrectly
- 31:35someone use a story in Scripture or a verse in Scripture to try
- 31:40to validate the Second Amendment.
- 31:44I think the Second Amendment is clear.
- 31:45It is what it is. It says what it says.
- 31:47I don't think that we need to kind of use the Bible to
- 31:50validate that Second Amendment in our nation.
- 31:54Here's why. Because the Bible isn't trying
- 31:56to validate the Second Amendment in any way, shape or form.
- 31:58And frankly, nothing in the Scriptures, I feel like actually
- 32:02validates it. So when people talk about like,
- 32:05well, we need the Second Amendment because David had
- 32:06stones and that and a slingshot, and if he didn't bear arms, then
- 32:10he wouldn't have killed Goliath. And I'm just like, that is an
- 32:12absolute atrocious way to look at the scriptures.
- 32:16Horrible way of looking at it. I've seen people try to use
- 32:20Jesus's interaction with the disciples about Lord we, we've
- 32:24only got 2 swords and Jesus like how that's enough as if like
- 32:27Jesus is saying, yes, let's make sure we're ready to fight Rome.
- 32:29As if two swords were actually enough to fight Rome.
- 32:33That's not the point Jesus was making at all.
- 32:36It's a complete Co-op manipulation and an incorrect
- 32:40way of approaching scripture. And so we come with those biases
- 32:43and I get it. We the things that we believe
- 32:46in, in a cultural reality, maybe from our upbringing, maybe
- 32:50because of the nation that we're born into, maybe because of, and
- 32:54just things that we believe are our personal convictions that we
- 32:56have that are shaped in many ways.
- 32:59And, and I think for many of us who know the Bible, a lot of our
- 33:03convictions are shaped from biblical values and we want to
- 33:06map our personal values with biblical commands.
- 33:12And that's not always a 1 to 1, even though our desire and our
- 33:15motivation isn't maybe evil or incorrect.
- 33:18I I just think that we all have to be willing to acknowledge
- 33:21we're coming to the text with a bias.
- 33:23So how do we read the scripture and not read our own assumptions
- 33:28or our own cultural bias into a scripture?
- 33:31Well, I think first you have to understand the actual original
- 33:35context and culture. Not in similarity to our current
- 33:41context, but maybe in contrast to it, so you find out what it
- 33:46meant to them. In other words, scripture can't
- 33:48mean something to you that it didn't mean to them.
- 33:53The original audience must be considered when reading the
- 33:58text. It has to mean something to them
- 34:00first, and then it can it be principled towards us.
- 34:06And I have a tendency to look for principles rather than one
- 34:11to one exact replications of something.
- 34:13So look at the principle behind something, right?
- 34:16You know, what was the principle behind some of the Old Testament
- 34:19sacrifices was actually to be holy, to be cleansed by God and
- 34:24to present yourself to the Lord as a whole part of your life, as
- 34:29worship to him, as offering to him, right?
- 34:31Like generosity to him. Like look at the principle
- 34:35beyond just the specific, but you have to 1st understand what
- 34:38it meant to them. Second, you need to ask yourself
- 34:41where else on God's story do you find the idea or the thought
- 34:46represented? So if you're interpreting
- 34:48something in Scripture and you have this idea and this thought
- 34:52and you're trying to figure out, is this my own thing or is this
- 34:55a scriptural thing? Well, is it anywhere else in the
- 34:57Bible? Is this the only time this is
- 34:59mentioned or used? Or are there other occurrences
- 35:03that you can accurately understand the original context
- 35:07and it maps on to what you're thinking and hearing?
- 35:09Third, you need to ask someone more mature.
- 35:13You have to get over insecurity, get over the fear of like
- 35:18somehow being seen as less than or unimportant.
- 35:21No, no, Asking other people who are more mature their thoughts
- 35:25on something is how we develop with a heart of humility.
- 35:30You're not going to know everything.
- 35:32You're not supposed to. But there are others who've been
- 35:34studying this longer, but maybe have a different perspective
- 35:36that you could trust and ask. Be willing to ask a question.
- 35:40Don't don't feel like it's a dumb question.
- 35:41Don't feel like you you shouldn't ask it or like I
- 35:44really should know this by now, but I stop that you, you can't
- 35:47be where you're not or where you think you should be.
- 35:50You have to start with where you are.
- 35:53You know what you know. And if you don't know, it's
- 35:56really all right to ask. And I think we need to walk with
- 36:01a lot more humility and stop and don't let the insecurity or the
- 36:05shame that you don't know something keep you from learning
- 36:09it from others. So we need to develop by way of
- 36:13asking others and so having some humanity to do it.
- 36:16And then finally, one of the ways that I really kind of make
- 36:21sure my own bias or interpretation isn't kind of
- 36:25getting in the way of me understanding a scripture
- 36:27correctly is, is I just give it some time.
- 36:30I'm not, I'm not quick to jump to a full conclusion.
- 36:35I'm going to do my due diligence.
- 36:36I'm going to walk my process of that, you know, kind of kind of
- 36:41intrigue, interpretation and then integration.
- 36:45I'm going to walk that process through.
- 36:47I'm going to do my study. I'm going to look at the text,
- 36:49try to understand what was going on in the culture.
- 36:51I'm going to see where it maps out in scripture and other
- 36:53places using scripture to interpret scripture.
- 36:56I'm going to consider my thoughts and submit it to other
- 36:59people and see what they think. And at the end of the day, I'm
- 37:01just going to be patient. I'm going to allow scripture.
- 37:04I'm just going to let it marinate in my heart for a
- 37:06little bit. I'm going to see, does it show
- 37:07up in other places of scripture? Does does the Lord bring it to
- 37:10back to my mind another time when I'm reading scripture or
- 37:13what have you? And I think just giving it time
- 37:15to discover some things that it's true or not.
- 37:19See if it shows up in other places in scripture as you just
- 37:21naturally read it rather than forcing it or looking for it.
- 37:26I think are really faithful ways to approach the Scripture with
- 37:32an open hand, a humble heart and a clear conscience.
- 37:36And I think that's what we are after in this in this process.
- 37:41And when we're wrong, we need to be willing to receive that
- 37:44coaching, that correction, and we need to make an adjustment
- 37:48without shame. I mean, there are things that I
- 37:51have been corrected in when it comes to what I thought
- 37:54Scripture meant and like, oh, that's good.
- 37:56Thank you for correcting that. I can see where I was off and,
- 38:00and I'm grateful for that way. Why?
- 38:01Because I want to know, I want to know the Lord well.
- 38:04I want to know Scripture well. And sometimes that means that
- 38:07we, we just have to have some thoughts corrected and we need
- 38:09to be open to that, which is why humility matters in our
- 38:14theological study and endeavor. Here's the next question.
- 38:19What's the balance between studying the Bible deeply and
- 38:22staying relationally connected to Jesus so my faith doesn't
- 38:26become dry or purely intellectual?
- 38:29I think it's a really, it's an important thing.
- 38:33First, it must start with prayer and communion with God.
- 38:37Never approach Scripture from the standpoint of like, I need
- 38:40to know this because I need to know it.
- 38:43I think anytime we're getting engaged with Scripture, it
- 38:45should always start with prayer, communion with God.
- 38:49Lord, what is it that you want to show me today?
- 38:51Correct any lies that I believe, right?
- 38:53Like it ought to be a very prayerful thing.
- 38:56When I, when I come to a scripture that I don't really
- 38:59understand before I just dive into it, I'm often asking Jesus
- 39:05to reveal the truth to me through the Holy Spirit.
- 39:07That's what he said He's the Holy Spirit would do and he'd
- 39:09come help us and reveal truth to us.
- 39:13And so many times I will, I will pray in the Spirit as I'm kind
- 39:18of reading and researching just so that my my faith and my
- 39:20spirit is built up and I'm just developing this communion in
- 39:25connection with God As I'm studying the scripture, asking
- 39:27for revelation knowledge, asking that my eyes would be opened so
- 39:31that I could see Jesus and see the text correctly and
- 39:34understand what God is speaking and putting on my heart.
- 39:37So first, I think it has to start with prayer and communion
- 39:39with God that helps us. The second thing I would say is
- 39:43it needs to lead us to love and obedience, not just insight.
- 39:46So if you feel like it's be becoming, if you want to keep it
- 39:49from being purely intellectual and becoming dry, start obeying
- 39:53what it is that you understand. If you understand something and
- 39:58it and it doesn't lead you to obedience, loyalty, following
- 40:04Jesus, integrating it into your life, then.
- 40:07Then you need to go back and examine your own motives and
- 40:09your own hearts. But if you want to keep it from
- 40:11being dry and just purely an intellectual thing, when you
- 40:15understand something about God, His Kingdom, and His ways, then
- 40:18obey it and apply it to your life.
- 40:21Even if it's a small step at first, taking the step to engage
- 40:25in it is better than just knowing about it and not doing
- 40:29anything about it. In fact, Scripture says he who
- 40:31knows something to be true knows the right thing to do and
- 40:37doesn't do it for him. It is sin.
- 40:40I think it's James that it says that for him who knows what he
- 40:43ought to do but doesn't do it for him in a sin.
- 40:46So to intellectually understand something about God and not live
- 40:52in accordance with that, then you are sinning.
- 40:56You're you're, you're disengaged.
- 40:57So, so to know something, to have that insight, but to not
- 41:01integrate it into your life is what James would say.
- 41:04That's faith without works. It's dead, it's dormant, it's
- 41:07not helpful at all. It is not creating communion and
- 41:11an eternal life in you. It's not really creating that
- 41:15that eternal life in you because it's just dormant and done.
- 41:19So always start with prayer and always look to have it lead you
- 41:25to love and obedience, not just insight.
- 41:29And that'll help you move beyond study being something purely
- 41:32intellectual and dry and keeps the relationship engaged and
- 41:37fresh. Here's the last question.
- 41:41In the beginning of the sermon, you said that we were designed
- 41:43to be ruled and governed by God. You use the words rule and
- 41:46govern as if they are interchangeable.
- 41:49Are they, though? Yeah.
- 41:51So I was talking about how Jesus in his temptation by the devil
- 41:58quoted a scripture where where he said man should not live by
- 42:01bread alone. And and he's quoting out of
- 42:03Deuteronomy 8 and verse 3. And Deuteronomy 83 says this.
- 42:07He humbled you by letting you go hungry.
- 42:10Then he gave you manna to eat, which you and your ancestors
- 42:15hadn't known before, so that you might learn that man does not
- 42:19live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the
- 42:23mouth of the Lord. In other words, he was, he was
- 42:27quoting Deuteronomy, talking about what was happening in the
- 42:31children of Israel in the wilderness.
- 42:32And one of the things that we know about the temptations of
- 42:36Jesus or that Jesus faced, these three kind of categorical
- 42:41temptations that Jesus faced, these were all things that in
- 42:45the wilderness, the children of Israel faced these temptations
- 42:50and failed. They didn't follow faithfully,
- 42:55which is why they were there for a long period of time, why it
- 42:57took them 40 years instead of 40 days.
- 43:00So where Israel failed Jesus, the full Israel the the perfect
- 43:07Israel, the perfect Son of God succeeds.
- 43:10Jesus was tempted in the wilderness Israel wandered in
- 43:13the wilderness, Israel a struggle with the idea of
- 43:16trusting God and what he said to do here.
- 43:19Jesus knew God's word and trusted God's word.
- 43:22And so when it says man doesn't live by bread alone, but comes,
- 43:25but what comes from the mouth of God.
- 43:27In other words, there was something that was meant to
- 43:30sustain and satisfy the human soul and that is the word of
- 43:37God. The voice of God was meant to
- 43:39rule and reign in our hearts. That's what Scripture says, that
- 43:42it rules and reigns in our hearts, rules and reigns in our
- 43:46hearts. In Genesis chapter 1, you or in
- 43:50Genesis in the beginning, you, you see that God shows us that
- 43:53what we were formed out of, that created element is sustained by
- 44:00and will one day return back to, right?
- 44:02So the animals that came from the ground, they were sustained
- 44:06by things that come from the ground.
- 44:08And one day animals will return back to the ground, right?
- 44:12Plants, birds, all these things. OK, So humans, we were created
- 44:16bodily from the dirt. We are sustained by things that
- 44:20come from the dirt and we will one day our bodies return back
- 44:24to the dirt until the renewal of all things and, and resurrection
- 44:28comes again, right? But your spirit, who you are on
- 44:31the inside, you will breathe the breath of life and that's what
- 44:36makes you a living being. So as a living being, not just a
- 44:40bodied being, but as a living being, you were, you were
- 44:44created and crafted from the breath of God.
- 44:48You, we are sustained by the word of God and we will one day
- 44:53return back to union with God. So when I said that we were
- 44:59ruled and governed and designed to be ruled and governed by
- 45:02God's voice, that's exactly what the narrative of Genesis is
- 45:05telling us. God gave them a command.
- 45:08God said be fruitfully multiply. God said go do this.
- 45:11God said here's how this works, Go name the animals, govern it,
- 45:15fill the earth, live together in harmony like here we are
- 45:18working. They were, they were living
- 45:20under the rulership of God's domain and being governed or
- 45:25having boundaries around that which is God spoke to them.
- 45:31But then they rebelled and said we don't want the rule of God
- 45:35and we definitely don't want to be bound or have boundaries that
- 45:38govern our life. We want to govern our own life,
- 45:42make our own choices and be our own.
- 45:44Like gods, we want to rule ourselves and we want to make
- 45:48decisions that help ourselves live in the boundaries of our
- 45:52own life. We ruled and governed ourselves
- 45:54by taking the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and
- 45:57evil. So we now became governed by the
- 46:01our own knowledge of good and evil, and we ruled ourselves.
- 46:06So I think that was kind of the point I was getting at.
- 46:09Now to the semantics between rule and governed.
- 46:12I, I think in our day, we often think of rulership as like a, A,
- 46:18maybe like a monarchy. There's a ruler in England, but
- 46:22we think of governance as like being governed by like a
- 46:25Republic or laws or something that's a little bit more
- 46:28democratic in its process. I understand those distinctions.
- 46:32I actually think that for our sake when it comes to biblical
- 46:35understanding and, and the point I was making, I actually think
- 46:39that they complement each other. Rulership has to do with
- 46:42authority. Governing has to do with the the
- 46:45boundaries, the restrictions and the this is of so we were called
- 46:50to be ruled by God and governed guided, directed by the word of
- 46:55God. So, so we were designed to live
- 46:58under the authority of God, by living governed by the
- 47:03boundaries, by the markers, by the by the safeguards, by the
- 47:07guidelines, by the instruction of the wisdom of God that came
- 47:11from his mouth. So we weren't meant to just be
- 47:15lived and slaved to the bread alone.
- 47:17We were actually meant to be lived, to be governed, to be
- 47:20submitted to and to live in alignment, satisfied by the very
- 47:25voice of God, which is why we need to learn to hear the voice
- 47:30of God. We need to understand Scripture
- 47:33so that we can hear his Scripture as his voice to us
- 47:37that guides us as we live under the rule of God.
- 47:40So the Scripture becomes our boundaries, our governance, the
- 47:45governor for our life. It it governs the speed, it
- 47:48governs the direction, it keeps us in alignment.
- 47:50God's Word governs our life, and in so doing we submit to the
- 47:57rulership of His life. So rule and govern are
- 47:59necessarily interchangeable. They have some nuance to them,
- 48:03but they are absolutely complimentary.
- 48:05Do you submit to the rule of the authority of God in your life?
- 48:09If you do, then you'll abide by and be governed by the Word of
- 48:14God. And that's what we are called.
- 48:16We are called to live by the Word of God, knowing the voice
- 48:20of God in surrender and submission to the sovereignty
- 48:25and the authority of God. So every week we stand for the
- 48:29reading of God's Word. Why?
- 48:32To remind ourselves that is with our bodies that we are under His
- 48:35authority, and it is with our bodies that we are governed by
- 48:39what His Word says. And so it was certainly not a
- 48:44political distinction, but it is definitely a correlation of the
- 48:49words I was using to help us understand God's design and
- 48:53creation and Jesus's echoing of the value of the voice of God,
- 49:00The word of God in sustaining in in helping us to govern and
- 49:05navigate and be aligned to the boundaries with in submission to
- 49:11the rule and the authority of God.
- 49:12As opposed to elevating ourselves to a place of
- 49:17rulership, autonomy, and our own agency of supremacy where we
- 49:21ignored the the sovereignty of God and we live supreme on our
- 49:26own knowledge of good and evil as the governing guide for our
- 49:29lives. We don't want to live governed
- 49:32by the knowledge of our good and evil.
- 49:33We want to eat from the tree of life, the voice of God, the Word
- 49:37of God and God himself bring us life.
- 49:40And that's what we're after. And that's why when we get into
- 49:42the Word and we study the Word, it's meant to bring us life.
- 49:45It's meant to draw us into good union and relationship with Him.
- 49:50Hey, friends, thanks for listening to the episode, for
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