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Save or Splurge: Skincare Tips For Broke Chicks · Two Broke Chicks

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  Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on wrundery Land Always was, always
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  Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land.
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  Speaker 2: Hey cheeks, I'm Sal and I'm ol and this is
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  Speaker 2: two broad.
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  Speaker 3: Chicks, the show that shares life lessons and tips to
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  Speaker 3: help make you rich in life. And today is very
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  Speaker 3: exciting because we are joined by Jade aka Driven by Beauty.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me guy, Welcome to
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  Speaker 4: the show.
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  Speaker 3: We're so excited to have like a no bullshit care chat.
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  Speaker 5: Finally, I feel like this is what we've needed. I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: this is just like a personal console basically, just al
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  Speaker 5: and I calm down, yea chicks of course.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because we did ask the chicks to send in
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of questions, so we've got a few of
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  Speaker 3: those as well.
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  Speaker 4: To check at you too. Okay, cool, let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: But before we get into it, we like to start
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  Speaker 3: with a life lesson of the week, So would you
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  Speaker 3: like to kick us off?
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 6: You can come from nothing, you can work really hard,
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  Speaker 6: and you can achieve anything.
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  Speaker 4: I love that. And you have to always.
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  Speaker 2: Give back, yes, one thousand percent. That's so true.
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  Speaker 3: I think sometimes we forget that part. Yeah, because you're
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  Speaker 3: sort of just focused on your journey and what you're doing.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that's so important.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's essential. Yeah, I love that.
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  Speaker 5: What's yours Mine is a TikTok that I saw, and
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  Speaker 5: it was that Carrie Bradshaw was thirty two in season
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  Speaker 5: one of Sex.
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  Speaker 2: And the City.
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  Speaker 5: So like, if you're in your twenties and thinking like
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  Speaker 5: what the fuck am I doing? Or if you're in
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  Speaker 5: your thirties and you're like, oh, life's winding down, it's
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  Speaker 5: not at all like.
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  Speaker 2: You're in your first season.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're in your first season and Sex in the
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  Speaker 5: City and it just like makes me so excited for that.
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  Speaker 5: And there is that really comment saying that, like your
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  Speaker 5: thirties is just your twenties with more money, yes, which
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, slag.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, I'm excited for that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, bring on.
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  Speaker 5: Like the Samantha Jones, Well, Samantha was like older than
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  Speaker 5: the rest of them, wasn't she.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever watch Sex?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I did. Yeah, that's that's it. Like, I love that
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  Speaker 4: you said that, because your life can really start at
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  Speaker 4: any y.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah seriously. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: My life lesson is to use Google Maps and pins
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  Speaker 3: to save locations for when you're traveling oh yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: in your Google Maps you can save the pins of
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  Speaker 3: different like restaurants and bars and attractions so that you
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  Speaker 3: can plan your trips.
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  Speaker 2: But we can't read a map. Yeah, but that's why
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  Speaker 2: that's helpful. Okay, because then it's all.
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  Speaker 4: In one place.
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  Speaker 3: You're not being like, but that's why that's helpful, and like,
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  Speaker 3: you shit on my life.
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  Speaker 2: Lesson god, man.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not. I'm like, fuck, dude, we like notoriously cannot
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  Speaker 5: read a map. Like we'll be walking one way and
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  Speaker 5: it'll be like, yeah, we'll be walking one way for
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  Speaker 5: like ten minutes.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, why is the time getting a longer?
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, and then we're like, we're walking the completely
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  Speaker 5: wrong way.
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  Speaker 2: Shall we get into the episode, let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: So on TikTok, you mentioned how every video you've seen
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  Speaker 3: on the order of your skincare routine has not been
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  Speaker 3: correct or specific.
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  Speaker 2: So can you.
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  Speaker 3: Please tell us what is the correct order to apply
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  Speaker 3: your skincare?
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  Speaker 6: Okay, So it really depends if you're using an oil
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  Speaker 6: based something or a water based something. Basically, the basic
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  Speaker 6: theory is from thinnest to thickest. So we want to cleanse,
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  Speaker 6: missed or tone and then if a harderonic acid, and
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  Speaker 6: if an oil based vitamin C then and a moisturizer
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  Speaker 6: and SPF. If you're using a water based vitamin C,
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  Speaker 6: it would be cleanse missed vitamin C, harleronic acid, moisturizer, SPF.
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  Speaker 4: Does that makes sense because you have to do water
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  Speaker 4: before oil?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, right, that makes sense? What about for your evening routine?
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  Speaker 6: So follows the same as the water before oil. So
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  Speaker 6: if you're using an oil based retinoid, it needs to
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  Speaker 6: follow the same suit.
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  Speaker 5: How would you know for people that you know are
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  Speaker 5: looking at their cabinet right now and they're like, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know what if it's water based or oil based,
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  Speaker 5: how would you know whether it is?
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  Speaker 2: Just look it up or doesn't say it on the product?
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  Speaker 6: On the ingredients, the first ingredient is usually water, so
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  Speaker 6: then you know it's water based. If it says an
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  Speaker 6: oil based or it's not. Doesn't say water, then it's not.
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  Speaker 6: It's not it'll be something else.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay? So simple Also.
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  Speaker 4: Feel the texture? Is it oily? Water?
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  Speaker 6: Is it a silicony? Sometimes it can be a bit
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  Speaker 6: of a silicony. Feel things like that.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So what is the skincare routine that you'd recommend
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  Speaker 5: for someone who wants to embrace a minimalist skincare routine.
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  Speaker 6: I've got lots of these in my clinic, partially because
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  Speaker 6: we need to do it because their barrio is completely
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  Speaker 6: impaired and things like that.
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  Speaker 4: So just cleanse.
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes I've got to missed holeronic acid and moisturizer.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and sef that's it.
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  Speaker 2: When you say missed, what is that?
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  Speaker 6: So I'm fine that particularly Welcome to Melbourne.
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  Speaker 4: We're very very hard drided here. I'm a very crapey baite,
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  Speaker 4: very freaking crappy.
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  Speaker 6: So we're fighting the alements here and it is low
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  Speaker 6: humidity and it is us struggle were we need a
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  Speaker 6: missed because it's locking in the water and when you're
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  Speaker 6: putting things on like a nice cinamide or you clear
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  Speaker 6: gel serums like a holeronic acid that's able to grasp
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  Speaker 6: onto the mist and hold more of its weight in water.
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  Speaker 6: So holeronic acid is like the ant of the.
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  Speaker 4: Where we go.
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  Speaker 6: I love it, though I know I know it's just like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: you never know where we're going here. It's like this ant, right,
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  Speaker 6: and it holds a thousand times it's home weight of water.
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  Speaker 4: So you know how ants are like these You think
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  Speaker 4: about David Attenbra You know, I can't do his accent
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  Speaker 4: right now, but he's like, as the ant goes through
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  Speaker 4: the forest, I'll do it today. You nailed it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but yeah, he's through the forest and you seem
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  Speaker 6: like and he's just got this like huge thing up
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  Speaker 6: in the air and he's carrying it.
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  Speaker 4: That's your hyaluronic acid.
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  Speaker 6: But nice cinamide is also really good at decreasing trans
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  Speaker 6: of beigenmal water loss, which is dehydration. But usually nicinamid
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  Speaker 6: and hyaluronic acid in those clear gel serums, they'll be
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  Speaker 6: paired together.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So if you're.
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  Speaker 5: Going to look for a product, you would recommend looking
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  Speaker 5: for a hyaluronic acid and a nio cinemide in the
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  Speaker 5: one product.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah either or yeah, just get that clear juicy gel
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  Speaker 6: serum on your face.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I'm going to imagine an ant every time
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  Speaker 3: I apply my HA going forward.
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  Speaker 2: How do you tell what skin.
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  Speaker 4: Type you have? Okay?
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  Speaker 6: So I hear this a lot, and I still think
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  Speaker 6: that people need to get assessed, and they need to
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  Speaker 6: get assessed at the right place where they know, because
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  Speaker 6: often they'll go to other places.
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  Speaker 4: And this is no diss to anyone out.
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  Speaker 6: There because it actually I used to be beauty therapist
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  Speaker 6: and what I knew then to what I know now
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  Speaker 6: is very very different. So for you guys out there,
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  Speaker 6: the best way for you to tell is if you
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  Speaker 6: get shiny from about midday or three pm on your
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  Speaker 6: forehead or your t zone, and I mean you can
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  Speaker 6: feel the grease or your makeup is sort of breaking up, separating, separating.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean really separating. Then you are oily.
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  Speaker 6: Some people who are quite oily, they'll have it all
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  Speaker 6: over their face and.
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  Speaker 4: It'll be on their chin, it'll be on their cheeks,
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  Speaker 4: it'll be everywhere.
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  Speaker 6: And you get a blotting sheet and you'll see it,
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  Speaker 6: and you can actually the blotting paper and you can
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  Speaker 6: see it.
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  Speaker 4: So that's a really good way to tell as well.
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  Speaker 6: But generally I would say most people are dehydrated or
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  Speaker 6: normal out here.
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  Speaker 4: And look, everyone's floody, dehydrated. I'm not gonna lie to here.
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  Speaker 5: I was like right now, I'm like, I was like, shit,
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  Speaker 5: the water break, well.
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  Speaker 6: That's good for your muscles and organs, but your face
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  Speaker 6: is going to take it from the mist and the
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  Speaker 6: wholeronic acid and we need to lock it in with
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  Speaker 6: a moisturizer.
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  Speaker 5: Oh okay, so does drinking because I feel like drinking
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  Speaker 5: water is one of the tips that we see really
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  Speaker 5: commonly in terms of us skin and it's bullshit.
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  Speaker 4: It's bullshit.
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  Speaker 6: When we're at UNI, our lecturer told us this and
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  Speaker 6: we literally we're all reacting the same and we couldn't
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  Speaker 6: we didn't believe it. And then we were questioning her
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  Speaker 6: because a lot of us were already working in industry
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  Speaker 6: and we're like, I don't understand this, because at that point,
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  Speaker 6: I think we were all thinking that we're lying to people.
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  Speaker 2: My whole life has been alive.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, my whole life's a lie. But we do need
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  Speaker 6: this from muscles and organs. Yes, we absolutely, this is
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  Speaker 6: our fuel.
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  Speaker 4: This is how we function.
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  Speaker 6: But if you're talking about here where you see your
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  Speaker 6: crepe on the stratum, cornemue and the outer layer, that's
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  Speaker 6: not really going to get to it.
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  Speaker 4: Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 6: That's where people see the crepe, the fine line, the dehydration,
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  Speaker 6: So that's where things are taken topically.
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  Speaker 5: What are three tips you'd give someone who doesn't really
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  Speaker 5: know much about skincare that aren't product focused.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, sunscreen is essential.
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  Speaker 6: If you wear it, it can reduce your risk of
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  Speaker 6: skin cancer by forty percent.
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  Speaker 4: Do it, do it, and do it regularly. Okay. I
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  Speaker 4: don't want you to end up missing it, ear nose,
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  Speaker 4: having a facial flat. Just fucking do it. Moist rice, simple,
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  Speaker 4: head to toe.
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  Speaker 5: I think we forget our body skincare routine. Like we
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  Speaker 5: you know, we'll have a seven step face skin care routine,
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  Speaker 5: but then when it comes to our body, we're like, yeah, fine,
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  Speaker 5: it's me.
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  Speaker 2: You need to kill me.
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  Speaker 6: They're like, oh, thank god, and please cleanse your face.
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  Speaker 6: I don't care what you've been told, what your skin
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  Speaker 6: type is. Cleanse it morning and night. I have ex
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  Speaker 6: my patients that are doing it with certain cleanses because
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  Speaker 6: we need to get seamides or whatever into their skin.
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  Speaker 4: Just do it.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think about double cleansing?
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  Speaker 4: Love it? Yes? Yeah, okay, only in the evening.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, So most people will do an oil or a
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  Speaker 6: balm first, yeah, and then some kind of foamy one
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  Speaker 6: to some sort of foamy degree that suits them as
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  Speaker 6: the second.
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  Speaker 2: I've definitely started.
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  Speaker 5: I think for me skin my skincare routine, I stick
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  Speaker 5: to it when I'm doing it in the shower, like
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  Speaker 5: I just know that because doing it over a sink,
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, it literally looks like I've snapped the tap
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  Speaker 5: off and I literally created the Trevi fountain in my bathroom.
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  Speaker 2: And I'd be like, were, yeah, But I feel like if.
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  Speaker 5: I put my products that you know, I need to
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  Speaker 5: wash my face, and it's not like put it on
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  Speaker 5: and leave it and I put them in the shower,
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  Speaker 5: I will double cleanse like and it does really help.
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  Speaker 5: So I feel like habit stacking. If you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: I've got to do it twice, it really just like
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  Speaker 5: takes a fuss out of it and really makes it
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  Speaker 5: a simple process.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. So I've got a question for you. How
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  Speaker 4: hot is your sharn when you're cleansing.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to answer that, and I think it's
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  Speaker 5: actually really rude.
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  Speaker 2: That you would ask a personal question. Okay, it's no.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what I am? Good?
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  Speaker 5: Because I do like a hot shower and I get
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  Speaker 5: X it was bad.
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  Speaker 4: It's not bad. It's very very common.
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  Speaker 2: It just it feels nice.
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  Speaker 5: But with when I am washing my face, my face
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  Speaker 5: skin is so sensitive to hot water that I will
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  Speaker 5: like turn it to cold and then like wiggle out
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  Speaker 5: and like Okay, we've got this, and then I'll like
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  Speaker 5: dunk my face into yes, sabe because I don't like
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  Speaker 5: the hot water on my face.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, that's what we've got to do.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Yay, that's good because I remember we got a
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  Speaker 3: facial or something once and we were saying that we
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  Speaker 3: love to cleanse our face in the shower, and they
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  Speaker 3: were like, that's not.
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  Speaker 2: Really the best thing to do it. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't like it a temperature.
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  Speaker 4: I don't like that judgment.
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  Speaker 6: Right, every skincare everything we've heard, and I think this
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  Speaker 6: is the difference between some.
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  Speaker 4: People that work some places and some people that work
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  Speaker 4: in health.
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  Speaker 6: There is nothing that you could say to us that
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  Speaker 6: would make us raise an eyebrow or for us to
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  Speaker 6: go no, I don't like that. No, please don't do that.
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  Speaker 4: That's the difference. When you come into.
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  Speaker 6: A clinic clock where I work at Flawless, Right, we're
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  Speaker 6: not like that. So the only time that we will
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  Speaker 6: actually say you need to cease doing this is if
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  Speaker 6: it's actually severely impacting your skin health.
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  Speaker 4: And even in that moment, we don't make you feel
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  Speaker 4: like you're a piece of shit or judge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
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  Speaker 5: Sound's been thinking about It's that vasual for.
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  Speaker 2: The last twenty years.
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  Speaker 4: Just a single tear.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, every time I climbed to the show, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I know a bad.
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  Speaker 2: You like it though you're a bad girl. You're like,
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  Speaker 2: the baby did a bad, bad thing.
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  Speaker 3: You do a lot of myth busting across your channels,
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  Speaker 3: which is amazing and we love it.
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  Speaker 2: What are some common skincare.
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  Speaker 3: And beauty myths that need to be busted?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, other than the water one that was yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I want to change my life.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, So, no matter how much you see it on
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  Speaker 6: social media, food is not botox.
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  Speaker 4: Oh these flax seed.
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  Speaker 6: Things, the bananas, I don't know what else they're saying,
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  Speaker 6: and what are the crap they're spitting out there on
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  Speaker 6: the street, babe, But is not botox?
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  Speaker 4: Do we understand how that works?
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  Speaker 6: Also, the biomomedic peptides and our geroline, it is not botox.
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  Speaker 5: I have had botox, and I think that it is
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  Speaker 5: kind of wild that we would even think that food
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  Speaker 5: could be botox. I was like, if it could, that'd
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  Speaker 5: be great because it means I don't have to get
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  Speaker 5: needles in my face, But I don't think that's the key.
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  Speaker 4: If it was, they would be doing it in the clinics.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So back to what I've said to you on the
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  Speaker 6: botox skin care, Like ageroline and the biomomedic peptides, these
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  Speaker 6: basically work by sort of very minimally inhibiting things that
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  Speaker 6: go on at the neuromuscular junction, whereas botox will completely
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  Speaker 6: inhibit things, or anti frinkle injections will completely inhibit things
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  Speaker 6: at the neuromuscular junction. Right, if you are putting food
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  Speaker 6: on your face, I will not say it again. It
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  Speaker 6: is on your stratum, corne and bait, which is the
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  Speaker 6: outermost layer of your skin. It is not hitting your muscle. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I will not say it again. I'm like, why do
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  Speaker 6: I feel like I would trouble.
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  Speaker 4: A banana appeal is not by tox. Flax seed is
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  Speaker 4: not botox.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sick of these videos going viral, but that's why.
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  Speaker 5: They do go viral because it is so like I
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  Speaker 5: don't know what the word would be, but it is
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  Speaker 5: just so kind of far out of what you would
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  Speaker 5: expect that it's hard to believe that that's and it
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  Speaker 5: is hard to believe because it you know, as you're saying,
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  Speaker 5: it isn't factually correct. That that's why these things do
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  Speaker 5: go viol on. It is why you see like a
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  Speaker 5: lot of misinformation online because people will say things just
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  Speaker 5: to get views. And you know, that's why this episode
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  Speaker 5: we really wanted to have you on because you do
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  Speaker 5: have the education, you do have the knowledge that it's
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  Speaker 5: like to cut through the bullshit and just yeah, straight up.
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  Speaker 6: There is so much bullshit on social media that there
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  Speaker 6: is a statistic and there are medical journals written about it.
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  Speaker 6: Do you know how much misinformation there is? Two percent
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  Speaker 6: of what you see on star social media is actually factual.
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  Speaker 6: Whow that in skincare or just in general in general?
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  Speaker 4: This goes for health, wo beauty.
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  Speaker 6: Wellness, and I'm really proud to be a part of that.
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  Speaker 2: That's lovely.
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  Speaker 6: So the info on collagen as a skincare ingredient and
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: it actually making collagen in your skin, it's not going
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: to do it. So collagen is a skincare ingredient, it's
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: a really large molecule. So when we've got we talk
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: about daltons in skincare. So daltons are basically think of
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: like a size, so it has things have to be
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: under five hundred doltons for it to go down into
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: the dermal layer where you want things to work. Collagen
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: as a molecule is a really large Dulton like, it's huge.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: Massive.
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: Collagen in skincare is not going to make collagen at all,
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: and it just sits on the surface of the skin
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: and it makes it plump, juicy, and hydrated. So if
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: you're looking at skincare with collagen as an ingredient in
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: it to put it on your face, it's going to
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: do nothing but make it look plump, jewy, and then
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: it'll escape. Collagen in supplements, the data is inconclusive, okay,
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: and it is a massive, multi million dollar industry, And
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: even at our clinic we get some of this data
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: and we look over it.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: I'm constantly looking at medical journals on it.
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: I'm not the only person of a clinical background that's
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: talking about this online. So the reason the data is
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: inconclusive is because the sample sizes are small. It's wishy washy,
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: and you can't control what someone is eating. What I
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: can say about the data is that when you consume
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: a collagen supplement, when that molecule hits it's been shown
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: to hit the villi or the little like little wavy
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: things inside our stomach lining. They've been shown to improve
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: that villi in the stomach lining, Okay, and help build
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: that up because it's the first frickin' place it's hitting. Yeah, right,
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: this tiny little sup yeah, is then being taken through
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: our digestive system, the intestines, the liver, and then we're
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: pissing it out. I've worked with multiple doctors and multiple
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: doctors and they literally call it expensive piss.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, I've heard that about a lot of vitamins.
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: Actually, yes, so it won't like the water reach your skin.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: That is wild, Yeah, because I think to have inconclusive data,
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: as you've just said, on something.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: That is a multimillion dollar business is just wild.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: But I mean you could probably the list is so
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: long of like products that const category.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: We did have a question from our community and something
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: that a lot of us can probably relate to myself
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: included right now.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: But do you have any advice.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: On how we can deal with hormonal breakouts?
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Is there anything?
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Please? Please God, babe, We've all been there.
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Okay, hormonal acne, Yes, a hormonal breakout hormonal acne
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: is very, very different to hormonal breakout. But if we're
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: just talking like one like deep mo fo, yeah that's.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: What they call me.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: What I like, if you are currently using a retinoid
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: and comfortably using a retinoid, you can cleanse your face,
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: get an acidic toner, maybe a five percent glycolic acid,
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: and just spot treat it. Like just get just get
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: a little bit like a cotton tip, put it in
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: a bit of five percent glycolic acid, and then put
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: your retinoid on. Don't overdo it, don't keep going, babe, Okay,
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: you can do that. Another thing I quite fancy is
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: a spot treatment, so you could do the same thing,
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: So we can put that aside.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: That's one option.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: Another option is cleanse your face, get a spot treatment.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: So like there's lots out there that have slicilic acid
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: in it or slicilicu sysinic acid, so medicate have one
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: called SOS and that's got like a two percent solicilic
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: acid in it. You do a little bit of it,
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: put your retinoid on, and then a little bit of
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: the spot treatment over the top, or do your moisturizer
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: and then the spot treatment over the top.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: So with the spot treatment, would you say to look
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: for a product that has sal silic acid and.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, okay, please again, don't keep going.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: How often would you say to do it?
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: So say like I have this wopper on my gin
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: at the moment, right, and so I'm like, okay, I'm
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: going to do the spot treatment and then how I
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: guess it kind of depends on how your skin reacts
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: to it, right, Yes, would you say like two nights
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: and then assess.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: Yes, and then leave it because what will happen is
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: you'll start to dry out and then you'll makeup on
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: it and it'll just look like like a little dry, flakyness
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: and not very nice and it'll be harder to cover.
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: Or just do one and see how you go. It
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: also depends on what kind of breakout it is.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if it's a nighttime routine, is a spot treatment
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: the last step in that routine?
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: So some people can do it over the top of
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: a moisturizer, depending on how thick it is. Some people
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: can do it over the top of the retinoid and
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: then moisturize and then or go back in with a
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: little bit of retinoid over the top again. It depends
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: on your strength of your retinoid. It depends on the
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: strength of your skin, your barrier, the size of the mofo,
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: it depends on a holiday. Yeah, it depends on like
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: a lot of these things. I did a video where
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: I extracted mine I saw, Yes, But and it works
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: because what actually happens is the retinoid eats a little
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: bit of the acid, so it brings it down unless
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: you're using a encapsulate of retinol, which it won't, and
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: it makes it very, very spicy.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: So but you just want to do it as a
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: spot treatment. We don't want to do.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: Whole freaking chin because you'll impair your barrier, So you
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: have to be very very careful about it. Yeah, and
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: it's only for a seasoned retinoid user. Yes makes sense, Yeah, yeah,
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: because then you'll end up with an impaired barrier.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: But it does work very very wed.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: I go back to the basics, back product products, but
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: foundation products.
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: Something to understand is retinoid's actually is So you know
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: how when we drink we're hung over the next day.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: No, No, I don't know.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Anything about that. We all know about it.
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: Retoids their hangover comes in four days later. Oh, the shedding.
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: So if you've been going, oh, I'm getting on the
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: the retinoids tonight, the retinoids the next night, the night
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: after that, the night after that, babe, you've got a
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: lot of shedding building up.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: And it starts at peeling.
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: That's why it starts peeling. So by day four you're
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: only seeing the first night. Do you get what I mean?
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: So it's like building up you're not experiencing your hangover
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: four days later.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Makes sense.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, imagine like not drinking for three nights and then
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: you get hung over and you're like.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: What the fuck?
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: You're like, where comes from?
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah? That makes sense though, because I think I've definitely
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: made that mistake, and I've you know, we've all done
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: on a bit heavy on active ingredients, and then like
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: maybe used a turning mist on my face and then
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: I was like.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I look like cobblo. Like I was like, shit,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: what's happened? And I knew exactly what happened, but I was.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: Like, ah, but yeah, I think that's that's really good
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: insight to have, is knowing that what you said that
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: hormonal breakouts and hormonal acne two different things. So what
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: if someone came to you and they were struggling with
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: hormonal acne, what would you recommend for them? I know
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: it would probably depend on, you know, certain factors in
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: their lifestyle, but in your experience, what have you seen
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: be quite helpful for people.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: So we're really lucky at my clinic at Fullest Rejuvenation,
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: we've got a laser that is one of the first
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: lasers in my absolutely amazing that actually is target sebam.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: So lasers work to target pigment redness things like that,
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: and it's looking as an alternative for roakitane.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Oh that's wow.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: So we've never had, like I've been doing this for
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: nearly ten years now, we've never had a laser to
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: specifically target seed them.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: So people who don't know what is sebam.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: That's oil. That's the oil that gets stuck.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: So when we talk acne, you've got a lot of
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: things going on and hormonal acne, people often forget this component,
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: which is androgens. So that's the male hormone that's causing it.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: So that's why often people end up on trying other
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: things like spur lactone or the peel and all sorts
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: of things like that. Trying to control it. We're trying
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: to control oil flow, right, You've also got this overproduction
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: of oil happening. You've got hyperkeretonization, which all these skin
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: cells just flooding into the follicle and then it's getting blocked,
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: and then you're getting inflammation and the bacteria of So
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: you've got all these other things, but then you're forgetting
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: about you know, the androgens, which is the hormoneal component.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: And acne is not just one breakout here and there.
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: Acne is multiple. Yeah, you're waking up with it more.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Than just one random one you're getting.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: We actually have like a chart that we use to say, okay,
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: you've got a number of them. So I think a
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: lot of people think that they've got acne and they
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: don't and they're just waking up with a spot here
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: and there. People who have acne are actually waking up
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: with multiple friends on their face every day.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: I think we were having this conversation a couple of
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: weeks ago and just saying how we probably need to
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: be a bit more careful about how we speak about
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: askin and when we call it acne, and in comparison
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: to you know, people that do really actually struggle with
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: severe acne and complaining about our pimples and saying that
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: we have acne when in reality we don't. And how
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: that can you know, affect and feel for people that
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: do struggle with it.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: And I just think, yeah, we could probably be a
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: little bit more careful.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and now we discern, but I do understand, Like
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: it's not I get that if someone wakes up and
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: I understand all of it, and it's okay to feel like,
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: oh my god, my face looks like shit today and
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: I don't know what I've done.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: It's all.
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: It's okay to have your own insecurity and feel that relative,
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: it's all relative.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: Well, we wanted to finish with a quick little game
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: of save or splurge, where we're going to read you
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: out a product and you're going to tell us whether
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: you think it's a save so to save on the
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: price and you know, go for one that's maybe a
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: little bit more affordable, or if you think it's a
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: splurge and to put maybe a couple more pennies towards Okay,
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: this product.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, save or splurge cleanser.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: You can save, Okay.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: There are so many affordable cleanses at your chemist and
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: things like that. But if you do want to splurge,
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: you can. But honestly, you can get a great cleanser
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: as a chemist.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Is there a hero cleansa that you really like?
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: I can't say that there's a hero one, but I
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: often like with the skins that are presented to me
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: in clinic because there's so many impaired barriers, your seat
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: to fills, your ceravs.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, things like that.
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: Probably what I often have to recommend because there isn't
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: a lot else I can sort of give.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, okay, save a splurge chemical exfoliant.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: I don't often recommend them.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Oh really, so you would say nil, that's the same
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: because you don't want to know, because I'm often like,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: we prescribe retinoids.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I suppose you could say that's yeah, yeah, but.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: So do you think a physical exfolling is better than
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: a chemical exfollient.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: Or do you well, I suppose i'd said a glycolic acid.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Just then, the ones that I do recommend, they're a splurge.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's fair enough, and I think that's
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: typically what would be the consensus too.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, Yeah, Okay, save or splurge SBF.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Save babe, I don't really care.
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: Just get the fluff and thing on your face.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I knew you were going to be.
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: It's like a mineral chemical whatever I usually my minerals.
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: I'm like giving that, you know, recommending that to people
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: with pigmentary ordyschromea malasma.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: But just get it on your fluff and face.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because doesn't Australia have really strict guidelines very to
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: be able to produce an SBF product, So you know
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: that whatever the price is, that product has gone through
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: quite an amount of testing.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: That's it's going to be.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Up to standard.
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: It is insane that to get an SBF on the
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: market I kind of even tell you what an SBF
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: has to go through to get it here, Like a
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: lot of people want to get their spfs made in
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: other countries or that they often will have the mate here.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Like it's insane.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: Our legislation here and TGA guidelines for SBF is insane,
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: which is amazing.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, save us splurge hyaluronic acid.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: You can save mat save us splurge, Retino splurge.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I thought that was going to be.
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: It's always the one thing I say, if you want
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: to invest in something, invest in a retinoid and invest
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: in a vitamin c M.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: So we spoke about how retinoids have like the four
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: day hangover.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: For someone who after listening to this.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: Is going to go out and invest in a retinoid,
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: how would that you recommend they introduce it into their skincare.
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: I really think if you can, first of all, good
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: if you understand your skin time, because there are so
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: many different bases. So there are creams, there are oils,
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: things like that. But if you know what you're doing, great.
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: On my and this is not like a promo thing.
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: This is a safety thing. On my TikTok in my
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: bio because I can't tell you how much retinoid dermatitis
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: I've seen over my career. There's a tab called Retreat
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: and I talk about different skin types that can use it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: This is purely a safety thing, right, Yes, I don't
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: want people to hurt themselves with it. So you can
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: go and look at that if you need help. If
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: you want to introduce a retinoid, for the first week,
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: you use it every third night. For the second week
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: you use it every second night, and for the third
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: week you're on it every night.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: It's really important to use the right cleanser because you
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: don't want to overstrip your skin. And it's really important
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: to have the right barrier and a good moisturiser, and
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: don't use any other acids or anything else that's going
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: to overstrip your barrier during that time for at least
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: a month.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Okay, so gentle cleanser and then the calendar you basically
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: just said correct, and then don't use any other active ingredients.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Does that include vitamin C?
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: Vitamin C is okay? But some people, if their barrier
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: is really impaired and they're using an allascorbic acid, it
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: will act like an acid, so in the morning they'll
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: put it on and it will burn if you are shedding.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Pull back.
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm taking notes. Yeah, I am taking notes right now.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, save us word moisturizer.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: Say I like, how many saves away?
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we want it.
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: Save You don't need to spend a lot of money
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: on a moisturizer. And often most of the time in clinic,
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: when people come in with an impaired barrier, we're like,
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: for now, do this, But eventually they get there and
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: they're like, oh, want all.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: The good skin care.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but for now, we're just trying to repair your barrier.
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: So often we're just doing the very basic routine.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: What you've spoken a bit about impaired barriers in this episode,
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: what other signs someone has an impaired barrier and they
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: should maybe come to you.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: So an impaired barrier is where your skin is.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: It can be dry, can be showing lots of breakouts
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: and acne, can be very very creepy. It can have redness,
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: it can have flakiness in certain areas. You can put
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: products on your skin and it's burning and you're not
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: sure why. You're trialing lots of products to try and
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: get it to where it needs to be, but nothing
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: is working. It feels height. It can even be splitting open.
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: It could be bleeding, it could be pussing, it could
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: be cracking, it could be all sorts of things and
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: you just can't get it to where it needs to be.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: That would feel really frustrating, but it's interesting to know
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: that the symptoms.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Are so varied.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: So I think that's why it's so important to go
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: speak to a professional.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, yeah, I think that's the splurge to
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: be honest, like going and speaking to a professional. If
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: you know, you've been trying for a really long time
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: to figure out what's going on with your skin and
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: you just can't figure it out and it's really affecting
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: your mental health, the splurge is to go and you know,
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: see someone.
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, if if you're in discomfort, just get to a dermatologist,
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: Just go into a find a general clinician in your area.
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  Speaker 6: Just find someone to help you, because the longer you wait,
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  Speaker 6: the worse it gets.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so good, and thank you so much for
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  Speaker 5: joining us. But you had some really exciting news that
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  Speaker 5: you told us before the start of this episode. So
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  Speaker 5: are we allowed to share?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we are allowed to share it.
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  Speaker 2: Hey tell us.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, I never thought i'd be here. I can't believe
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  Speaker 6: this is happening. But this week I filmed a pilot
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  Speaker 6: episode of a new TV show series web series called
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  Speaker 6: Glow and Tale, where I'm basically going into people's homes,
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  Speaker 6: rating their bathroom cabinets and seeing what skincare they're using
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  Speaker 6: and how I can actually help them, and then taking
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  Speaker 6: them shopping.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 6: So it is definitely for people who are on a
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  Speaker 6: budget and I just you never know where you end up, babe.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I congratulation breaks every frickin' day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when is it going to launch?
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  Speaker 4: Do you know yet? Soon?
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  Speaker 6: Just wake out for the pink scrubs.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that is so amazing.
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  Speaker 5: And for any of the chicks that aren't already following you,
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  Speaker 5: where can they find you?
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  Speaker 6: So you can find me on TikTok it's driven by
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  Speaker 6: beauty and on Instagram it's also driven by beauty.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing. Thank you so much. That was so insightful and
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  Speaker 2: so digestible.
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  Speaker 5: Like I think the way you speak about skincare is
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  Speaker 5: really easy to understand in a world where it can
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  Speaker 5: be quite overcomplicated. So thank you so much for your
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: time today. It was an absolute pleasure and I've learnt
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  Speaker 5: so so much.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much. That was amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me, And.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks to you chicks for having us in the ear holes.
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  Speaker 3: We love to be here.
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  Speaker 4: A little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Bye chicks, Bye bye,