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Final thoughts on the 23-24 Season, Training Camp Myths Debunked with Dustin Baker | TSH Ep. 52 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey Vikings fans, welcome in to another episode
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  Speaker 1: of the Skull Hop.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Evan, I'm Austin.
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  Speaker 1: beer and talking about the Vikings.
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  Speaker 1: And we're gonna drink a beer from our.
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  Speaker 2: Trip that we took just a few weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is one that you had while we
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  Speaker 1: were on the trip.
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  Speaker 2: I did not.
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  Speaker 1: This is it's primarily Lua, but it's in collaboration with
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  Speaker 1: Toppling Glythe and Big Grove.
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  Speaker 2: But it's called Project.
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  Speaker 1: Hopfish and it's a it's a pretty I would say,
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  Speaker 1: intense hazy double.
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  Speaker 3: I p A.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't tried it. Well, I haven't tried it today.
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  Speaker 2: I have tried it. I remember it being very good.
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  Speaker 2: I tried it at LUA, although we bought these at
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  Speaker 2: Big Grove, we did, so. Yeah, this is volume five,
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  Speaker 2: I guess of this beer. So they've been making it
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  Speaker 2: for a few years running. This is the only time
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  Speaker 2: I've tried it. I haven't tried previous years. And I
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  Speaker 2: guess they do this in collaboration and support a project AWARE,
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  Speaker 2: and we don't know too much about that, but I
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  Speaker 2: guess it's a Watershed Awareness River Expedition, which is what
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  Speaker 2: AWARE stands for. And it's the state's largest river cleanup event.
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  Speaker 2: So that sounds pretty cool. Sounds like I need to
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  Speaker 2: look up some more information about that project. But this
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  Speaker 2: beer supports that, I guess. So we should just give
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  Speaker 2: this a try and give our opinions.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've had it, so let me know if
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  Speaker 1: there's a difference between what you've tried at Did you
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  Speaker 1: have this at Big Grover?
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  Speaker 2: I had it at Lua Lua and this is when
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  Speaker 2: we were eating dinner the night before we filmed.
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  Speaker 1: So I have not had this yet, so I'm going
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  Speaker 1: into this completely blind. Yeah, this is holy buckets. This
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  Speaker 1: is a hazy ipa though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, Oh that was a good Austin poor there man.
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  Speaker 1: Was but I knew I had some room in the
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  Speaker 1: in the glass there.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah. So it's super hazy, but kind of like
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  Speaker 2: a creamy color. You're just you're not seeing any anything
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  Speaker 2: through this beard at all. I don't remember a whole
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  Speaker 2: lot about the flavor from the first time I had it.
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  Speaker 2: I do remember it being a full flavor. I can
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  Speaker 2: smell it and there's a lot of hops in there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it smells great. It's got good head retention, which is
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  Speaker 2: what it's called when you pour it correctly and then
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  Speaker 2: you still have a good, nice film on the top.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, super super hazy, almost creamy looking. Uh but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think we just need to try this and give
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  Speaker 2: our thoughts. School skull It was a good sculler.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's good, nice and hoppy, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: hops off the top.
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  Speaker 2: Very hazy, yes, very hazy. And this thing packs a
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  Speaker 2: punch too. It's eight percent. Yeah, yeah, this is this
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  Speaker 2: is a heavy hitter too. I had Kirk Cousins percent,
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  Speaker 2: Well not anymore. He's he's wearing eighteen. I hope it's
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  Speaker 2: not eighteen percent. Yeah, full flavor, lots of hops, like
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  Speaker 2: lighter flavored hops though, yeah, very bright florally.
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  Speaker 1: What what is there anything on the can that.
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  Speaker 2: That tells us what kind of hops? Yeah? If there are,
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  Speaker 2: it's taken me too long to find it. Uh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: hazy double India pale ale is what I'm seeing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe Lua Toppling, Goliath and Big Grove can chime in
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  Speaker 2: in the comments if they find this and tell us
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more about it. It's just it's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of flavor, but a crisp, refreshing flavor. But if
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  Speaker 2: you don't like hoppy flavors hoppy I pas, this one
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  Speaker 2: isn't for you. If you do like it, find it
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  Speaker 2: because it's really good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you if you like a good hoppy double
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  Speaker 1: I p A, I would recommend this one because this
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  Speaker 1: has some.
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  Speaker 2: Strong hoppy flavor.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm more of the multi beer kind of guy,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't mind a super happy beer. Oka once
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  Speaker 1: in a while, and this fits that category for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Happy beer. Yeah, this makes me wish I had tried
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  Speaker 2: previous versions of it to see if it's the same
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  Speaker 2: thing over and over again, or if, you know, since
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  Speaker 2: they do name it volume five rather than just you know,
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  Speaker 2: the same name again, maybe they do change it up
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  Speaker 2: a little bit every year. So yeah, I wish I'd
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  Speaker 2: tried previous years. I'll definitely keep an eye out for
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  Speaker 2: it in future years too.
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  Speaker 1: I think the other thing that's cool about this beer
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  Speaker 1: is we hit two of the three breweries in collaboration
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  Speaker 1: on this beer on our brew hop just a few
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago, so that was pretty cool too. And like
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  Speaker 1: you said, you tried it at Lua, but we bought
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  Speaker 1: these cans, the ones that we are drinking right now
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  Speaker 1: in the moment, We bought those at Big Grove in
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  Speaker 1: Iowa City. So we hit two of those breweries. We
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  Speaker 1: did not quite make it all the way up to
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  Speaker 1: toppling Gliath.
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  Speaker 2: We thought about it, but it would have been a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a trek.
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  Speaker 1: It was on the list, It was on the list,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, it turned out to be a little more
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  Speaker 1: advantage just to kind of stick a little closer to
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  Speaker 1: home for.
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  Speaker 2: Us that weekend.
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  Speaker 1: But pretty cool that we hit sixty six percent of
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  Speaker 1: the beers in collaboration here. And who knows Topland Gliath
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  Speaker 1: could make it on the list for next year's.
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  Speaker 2: Brew high I think I think it almost has to
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  Speaker 2: like we can't have an we can't have two brew
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  Speaker 2: hops in the state of Iowa without going to top
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  Speaker 2: Ling Line.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's almost the like the mecha of Iowa beer,
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  Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons it was on the
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  Speaker 1: original list. And I think if we maybe would have
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  Speaker 1: looped that in on day one rather than try to
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  Speaker 1: do it on day two, we might have gone there.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: So anyways, really good beer, great collaboration between three great
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  Speaker 1: breweries in Iowa, two of which we've been to personally,
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  Speaker 1: which is great. Have you been to Topland Glith.
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  Speaker 2: I have not. For Pseudo Sue to be maybe my
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  Speaker 2: favorite beer. It's kind of a travesty that I haven't
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  Speaker 2: been to that brewery. But it needs to happen. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: we need to make it happen.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the other thing that I'll point out. Apple
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  Speaker 1: and Goliath geographically is kind of on your way to
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  Speaker 1: Minneapolis from where we are, so if we ever make
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  Speaker 1: our way up towards that area for I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe a Vikings game.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it'd be crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we could stop in Dakora on our way. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: who knows.
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  Speaker 2: That might be a good idea.
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  Speaker 1: It could happen, but I'd be down. I would totally
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  Speaker 1: be down. Yeah, you have tickets to a Vikings game,
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  Speaker 1: which you revealed to me last week on our episode.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: It just happened really quick. We're taking the whole family,
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  Speaker 2: all five of US Lions game right, yep.
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  Speaker 1: The League seven right after the bye week.
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  Speaker 2: Will be there October twentieth, so yeah, right, that is
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  Speaker 2: could be could be a JJ game, could be hopefully
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  Speaker 2: by then a TJ. Hockinson game. Yeah, yeah, we'll have
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  Speaker 2: to see.
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  Speaker 1: We should maybe go a little off script here just
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  Speaker 1: for a moment, because training camp is winding down and
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  Speaker 1: they're gearing up towards the first handful of preseason games. Here,
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on any of the rumors that you're hearing out
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  Speaker 1: of training camp, Just any thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: Any thoughts whatsoever. Well, I think we are going to
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  Speaker 2: kind of talk about some of this, hopefully in the
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  Speaker 2: later part of the episode with Dustin Baker, we will,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean just the idea that JJ McCarthy
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  Speaker 2: is looking okay apparently that's that's a fun talker to
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  Speaker 2: maybe get some more information about. Definitely interested in the
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  Speaker 2: Dalton Reisner situation, kind of interested in the defensive back
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  Speaker 2: situation with guys like Lewis Scene and Andrew Booth and
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  Speaker 2: how that's all going. So that's kind of what I'm
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  Speaker 2: keeping my eyes peeled for.
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  Speaker 1: What about you, Well, I saw I've seen some interesting
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  Speaker 1: headlines the last week or so since we recorded last
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  Speaker 1: and one headline that really stuck out to me was
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  Speaker 1: and and maybe this isn't This could be one of
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  Speaker 1: those click baity things that was amplified.
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  Speaker 2: It could be true, but it could be overblown.
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  Speaker 1: But something that stuck out to me was Sam Donald
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  Speaker 1: has been taking more second team reps and JJ has
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  Speaker 1: been taking more first team reps. And the rationale from
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  Speaker 1: the coaching staff with Donald taking more second team reps
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  Speaker 1: is to hopefully elevate the second team.
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  Speaker 2: But I think the.
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  Speaker 1: Writing on the wall is perhaps JJ McCarthy is having
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  Speaker 1: a better camp than Sam Donald and he's earned that
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  Speaker 1: first team spot and Donald hasn't performed and has floated down.
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  Speaker 1: Floated is the wrong word because you float up, but
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  Speaker 1: he's sunk. That's the right word. I'm looking found it.
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  Speaker 2: Are getting to us already.
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  Speaker 1: It's just summer. As an endlish teacher, you lose touch
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  Speaker 1: with some of those things. But anyways, that was a
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  Speaker 1: curious one to me, and to hear the coaching staff
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  Speaker 1: kind of justified as well, Oh, he's just we're giving
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  Speaker 1: him some more second team reps to hopefully elevate the
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  Speaker 1: second team.
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  Speaker 2: I read between the lines and think.
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  Speaker 1: Well, sure you could say that, but he's also maybe
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  Speaker 1: just not the first team guy you thought he was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean I could see that,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think that's a crazy thing to say
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  Speaker 2: by any means. I also think it's still kind of
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  Speaker 2: early in camp. We don't know what's behind the thought
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  Speaker 2: process of these coaches. They may have been planning this
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  Speaker 2: kind of a split of reps since before JJ was
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  Speaker 2: even drafted. They could have been just thinking, all right,
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  Speaker 2: let's make sure we spread things out. We'll bring this
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  Speaker 2: up with him here later in this episode. But a
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  Speaker 2: couple days ago, Dustin Baker actually tweeted something to the
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  Speaker 2: tune of how he's saying, yeah, JJ is twenty one
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  Speaker 2: years old. We should be talking about how he's struggling
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  Speaker 2: at camp. But it's kind of really cool that we're
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  Speaker 2: talking a lot more about like how he's doing pretty good. So,
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  Speaker 2: like he says, we should be telling everybody calm down,
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  Speaker 2: it's not the end of the world yet. He's twenty one.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna struggle a little bit, but we're not saying
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot of that. And maybe that's media too,
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  Speaker 2: you never know, maybe they could just be I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: hiding the bad plays. I don't know how they do
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  Speaker 2: that because people are at practice filming stuff. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we'll bring that tweet up to Dustin here a little
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  Speaker 2: bit later. But I mean, it is nice to know
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  Speaker 2: that JJ at least doesn't look completely lost in training camp.
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  Speaker 1: Any other training camp thoughts just kind of off the
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  Speaker 1: bat before we get into our next segment.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just glad that we're so deep into training camp already.
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  Speaker 2: Ye football is so close that we're close to being
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  Speaker 2: able to talk about actual on the field football between
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  Speaker 2: you know, preseason games and night practices and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm just I'm ready. I don't want to wish
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  Speaker 2: the summer away, but darn it, we're about there anyway,
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  Speaker 2: so let's go.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to wish it away too fast because
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  Speaker 1: then I gotta go back to work exactly. But you're right,
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  Speaker 1: it can't come here soon enough. And I mean that's
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  Speaker 1: the reason we sit here and do this whole thing
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  Speaker 1: is to talk about Vikings football, So to get back
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  Speaker 1: to actual football.
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  Speaker 2: It's exciting. The Hall of Fame game, any quick thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on that. I watched all of it that was on TV, because,
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  Speaker 2: as you may know, they ended up canceling most of it. Yeah, well, say,
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  Speaker 2: they were playing into the third quarter, and I think
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  Speaker 2: they'd even played most of the third quarter by the
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  Speaker 2: time the lightning had forced everybody to go in the concourse.
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  Speaker 2: And then they soon after that canceled the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the game. But uh, yeah, I watched a lot of it.
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  Speaker 2: I did think, and this is gonna maybe it is
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  Speaker 2: exactly how it's going to sound. I'm a Vikings fan,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a Bears fan. I don't like the Bears,
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  Speaker 2: but I did think it was weird that Caleb Williams
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  Speaker 2: he didn't play at all.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's that's pretty indicative that he is
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  Speaker 1: the bona fide starter without a doubt.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, but still like and I get because I
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  Speaker 2: believe playing in the Hall of Fame game means the
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  Speaker 2: Bears and the Texans will both play four preseason games now,
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  Speaker 2: so maybe that's a part of it. They don't want
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  Speaker 2: to have to throw them in too much. But like
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  Speaker 2: none of their none of each team's starters played at all. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I can see why you don't play CJ. Stroud because
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  Speaker 2: he's already he's earned that starting he's already in Houston. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's good, he's played NFL reps before. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I'd be disappointed if JJ McCarthy doesn't
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  Speaker 2: get in the first preseason game. Like, nobody's crowned anything.
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams has not earned any NFL anything, just like
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  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy has not earned any NFL anything yet. They're
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  Speaker 2: just rookies now, so it's kind of crazy that you're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're good, we're not gonna play them at all.
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  Speaker 1: Like, but but who's GM and who's front office do
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  Speaker 1: you trust more?
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  Speaker 2: Do you trust the Vikings or do you trust the
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  Speaker 2: Bears so far? I mean, it's definitely the Vikings but
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  Speaker 2: also the Bears. They've been doing decent stuff since Ryan
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  Speaker 2: Poles went in there, so I would agree, But I
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  Speaker 2: just I feel like Caleb Williams should have been playing.
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  Speaker 2: If I was a Bears fan, i'd probably be upset
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  Speaker 2: about that.
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  Speaker 1: Agreed, And I would hope to see JJ and Sam both. Oh, yeah, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: I hope to see both of them at some point,
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  Speaker 1: maybe not for a long stretch, maybe not for like
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  Speaker 1: a whole.
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  Speaker 2: Game in the preseason.
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  Speaker 1: You never see that anymore, and especially with three preseason games,
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  Speaker 1: it's a pretty short window of opportunity. But I think
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  Speaker 1: you have three potential quarterbacks. Really, you have Sam Darnold,
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  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy and Nick Mallins. I think Jaren Hall and
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Dustin wrote about this. I could be wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure he kind of projected the fifty
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  Speaker 1: three man roster in an article not too long ago,
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  Speaker 1: and I think he predicted that Jaren Hall is the
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: odd man out.
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  Speaker 2: I tend to agree with him on that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think between those three preseason games, you
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  Speaker 1: give each of those three probable roster or spots a
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  Speaker 1: chance to flash in preseason, see what they can do.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's not with the first team offensive line. You
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  Speaker 1: want to keep those guys healthy. But and probably not
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  Speaker 1: any of the first team specialty players either, Yeah, like.
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  Speaker 2: Not in their special team's roles.
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  Speaker 1: I mean no, but like Justin Jefferson for example, Like
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  Speaker 1: he was quoted this week saying that he's kind of
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  Speaker 1: scared about.
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  Speaker 2: Re injuring his hamstring. Like, I don't think we see
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  Speaker 2: him at all.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty common nowadays to not see any of those
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  Speaker 1: big stars throughout the preseason. They hold out until Game
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  Speaker 1: one of the regular season. But I think you give
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  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, JJ McCarthy and Nick mullens a shot at
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  Speaker 1: leading the charge under center, see what happens and go
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  Speaker 1: from there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so to that point, I mean, the Vikings
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  Speaker 2: are not going to be keeping four quarterbacks, not on
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  Speaker 2: the active roster, not on purpose, not when they have
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  Speaker 2: needs elsewhere. Yeah, for sure. And I'd almost be surprised
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  Speaker 2: if they kept three quarterbacks, although with the recent you know,
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  Speaker 2: last year, they had a lot of injuries at that
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  Speaker 2: one position, not just Kirk. I mean when Kirk down,
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  Speaker 2: Kirk was down. Nick mullins, I think he was even
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: on IR at the time when Kirk went down. That's
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  Speaker 2: why Jared Hall started against the Falcons. So they may
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  Speaker 2: be a little shy about having only two quarterbacks just
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  Speaker 2: because they're coming off a year where it kind of
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  Speaker 2: bit them in that perfect storm of a personnel week.
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  Speaker 2: That's why they had to trade for Josh Dobs. So
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be I'd only be a little surprised if
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  Speaker 2: they kept three quarterbacks. But essentially you're talking who do
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  Speaker 2: they keep Jaren Hall or Nick Mullens if either of them,
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, maybe the preseason on the field is where
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  Speaker 2: they shake all that out. So but to that point too,
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  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold and JJ McCarthy both for their development in
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  Speaker 2: this offense and on this team, that's why they need
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: to be in on the field, yes, whereas Nick Mullens
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: and Jared Hall, Yeah, they need the development for the team,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: but they also need to have that added bonus of
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: trying to prove why they need to make the team.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: McCarthy and Darnold are they're making the team outside of
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: some crazy sheenanigans that probably won't ever happen, But like, yeah,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Mullins and Hall, they need to try to make the team.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: That's why they will play. But yeah, I mean it'll
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: be interesting. I like preseason. I will sit and watch
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: a whole preseason game, especially for the Vikings. It's just
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: fun for me, and I know a lot of people
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: aren't the same way, and that's fine. I'm bummed.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be out of town this coming week when
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: the Vikings host the I think it's the Raiders, so
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I'll be out of town for that. But maybe between
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: the last two preseason games, we'll have to get together
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: and see if we can.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Watch for sure, maybe even do some school hops stuff.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's interesting proposition there.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: But we should probably tie a bow on the twenty
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: three to twenty four season. Let's let's uh, let's look
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: back and let's kind of just recap, not even a
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: full recap, but let's just look back at our favorite
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: moment and our least favorite moment or like worst moment
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: from the twenty three to twenty four season.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I think this is kind of our last opportunity to
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: do that. Yeah, before we close the door.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: The twenty four to twenty five season is just like
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: boom right in our faces, and we have nothing else
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: to do but talk about all the stuff that's happening currently.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is our last Skullhop episode before the
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: twenty four season is officially underway. So that's right by
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: the next time we record, we will be talking about
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: a preseason game.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: So, and you've alluded to it, we're going to be
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: interviewing Dustin Baker a little bit later in the episode.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Some of that information is kind of yet to be told.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: We're I mean, truth be told.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: We're recording this a day in advance of.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Hang Out with Dustin, but we'll hang out with Dustin
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: will include that in this episode, and we're excited about that.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: It's always a great time to hang out with him
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: and chat.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it would be fun for us
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: to just kind of quickly look back on last season
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and just recap our favorite moment from the Vikings. Not
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: we did this a few weeks ago on episode fifty
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: when we were in the car we looked back at
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: our favorite.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Skull Hot moment. Yeah yeah, yeah, And.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I mean the skull Hop is really only as old
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: as last season, but we're thinking more specifically the Vikings
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and what happened in last season.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: So can I start was that?
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what was your favorite moment of the twenty three season?
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: My favorite moment, and I think a moment that the
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Vikings organization failed to capitalize on in many ways and
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: maybe should have taken out some of our content and
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: like paid us for it and like taken off with it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know to think.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: That we create some pretty decent content something, But there
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: was the moment. It was it was really the whole
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Falcons game and you alluded to it just a minute
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: ago when Jaren Hall started. Then he got a concussion
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: on the first drive and Josh Dobbs comes in, and
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Josh Dobbs took over that game, like he just made
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: a name for himself and kind of put himself on
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the map in that game. And there was a moment
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: where he leaped over the pylon for a touchdown, a
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: rushing touchdown, which rushing touchdowns were tough to come by.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as a Viking last year, I.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Don't did a Vikings running back even.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Rush for a touchdown. I feel like Madison got one,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: but Ty Chandler got one, so maybe Akers I believe
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: got at least one or two.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: So maybe like one, two, three, four maybe total in
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the running back room. But Josh Dobbs, the quarterback, the.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Pastronaut, so to speak. He leaps for one in.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: The corner of the end zone and we made a
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: little my wife, I should say she made She made
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: a nice little graphic with the pasture not riding his
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: rocket ship into the end zone over some Falcons defenders.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: That was my favorite moment. Yeah, for sure, that was
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: a cool moment.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: It was a tough stretch there for the Vikings.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: He had Justin Jefferson going down, then you had Kirk
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Cousins going down a few weeks later, and then there
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: was kind of this quarterback carousel. But those two weeks
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and it was really just a tale of two halves.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: It was the second half against the Falcons and the
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: first half against the Saints where Josh Dobbs really flashed
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: and then he didn't end it sucked after that, But no,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I thought that was That was a really fun moment
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and probably a peak moment for me in the season.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I I almost don't even want to do this,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: but I think that rushing touchdown. I think he did
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: that against the Saints at Oh really the Yeah, you
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: could be right. I might have my bearings off just slightly.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: But either way, that was such a cool, cool moment.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: And both of.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Those games were on the road, weren't they. We're at
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: the Falcons and then at the Saints.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Is that correct? Potentially? Yeah, I'm trying to quickly and
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: not obnoxiously take a lot of time to look this up.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's going to take me too long.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: To I'll look it up while you share your favorite
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: moment all right, the season.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: My favorite moment of the season I thought about because
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: you had brought up the iven paced junior interception kind
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: of to seal the victory right here like this. Yeah,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: my hand is still ringing from that high five. So
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I thought about that. But I really think like the
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: moment that I was most elated about this team was
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: at the end of the first half of the forty
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: nine ers game when Jordan Addison the ball was thrown
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: to him slightly behind him. Again because very early in
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the game there was a ball thrown slightly behind him
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: and it ended in an interception. And the play I'm
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: talking about is at the very end of the first
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: half when the ball was in the hands of the
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: defender ward for the Niners, and Jordan Addison yanked it out,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: made the catch and ran for a touchdown to end
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: the half. I think it was right at the end
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: of the half, maybe a couple seconds left after that,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: But that was the moment that I was most excited
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: about this team, most happy. I know, I said skull
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: about one hundred times for Ivan Pace. But you know
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: that was weeks after that Niners game, and stuff had
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: already been happening. You know, the season was already kind
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: of derailing a little bit at that point. But that
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Niners game, specifically that touchdown, that's my favorite moment. You
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: just couldn't make me sad at that moment.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And that was a game without Justin Jefferson, but Kirk
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Cousins was still there and was still slinging it, and
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Jordan Addison was catching it from Kirk.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: And those were let me.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Let me rephrase that, not those that That game was
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: perhaps the best game of the season.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: That may have been the highest of peaks that the
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: season had.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: At the high water mark of the season, for sure.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Things were turning around. The slow rough start was was
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: starting to be washed away. They were they had beat
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: what you could argue one of, if not the best
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: team in the league. At the moment. Everybody was not
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: even everybody was healthy. I think JJ was already injured
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: at that point, wasn't it. Yeah, so Justin Jefferson was out. Yeah,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I keep doing that. It's okay. We gotta clarify because
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: we have two on the team right now.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson was out and I only know that because
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I caught up a little bit.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: On the Receiver series on Netflix. So I think up.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Through like episode five or six, I can't remember, but yeah,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: he was out that game. But Kirk was still healthy.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: And that was kind of Jordan Addison's coming out party
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: and the Niners, if I remember right.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: The Niners hadn't lost a game to that point.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they were, or maybe they lost one.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: It was either they had lost one or that the
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: their first loss of the season ones against the Vikings.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: It was one of the two. I think.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like they had lost the week before and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: then they went on like a two or three game
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: losing skid after that, Like they really just hit the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: brakes and it was ugly for the Niners for a
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: few weeks after playing the Vikings. You were right by
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the way it was that Josh Dobbs Pasturen Nott leap
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: into the end.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Zone that I was referring to.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: That was against the Saints, and it was actually at
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: home against the Saints, so it was at us Bank
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Stadium against the Saints.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: The Vikings were up ten to three and they went
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: up seventeen to three after that play that moment mixed
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: with the Falcons game, that's that counts. That's that's a
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: good because it was election.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: It was the second half of the Falcons game in
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: the first half of the Saints game. That combined kind
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: of put Josh Dobbs on the map.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: And made him the past.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: With this guy and where did he come from? And
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everybody's talking about Josh Dobbs for
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: forty eight hours.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: And then well and then it all just and then
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: it faded away, crashed and burned.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Man, all right, well, now that we're in that mindset, Evan,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: let's move on to our worst moments. And I think
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I just gotta I just got a cherry pickett. I
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: gotta just say it. Yep.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I think because we've talked, we kind of talked about
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: this pre filming, and yeah, I think both of ours
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: are it's low hanging fruit. Yeah, you share yours first,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and I'll share mindset.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: It's it's the Kirk injury, and it kind of it
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: kind of double sucks because the game happened against the Packers.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: The Vikings ended up winning that game by I don't
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: know if it was two full touchdowns or two scores
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: at least, but they won that game. It wasn't a
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: close game. It wasn't a lucky break like the Vikings
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: beat the Packers that game, and no, it wasn't a blowout,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: but it was still a deciding victory. And we couldn't
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: even enjoy it that much because I think everybody probably thought, well,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: that might be the last win of the season, because yeah, Kirk,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: it was pretty clear right when it happened, ooh, yeah,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Kirk's done for the year.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I was a little more optimistic when it first happened
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and I saw the replays, but we were doing our
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: typical Vikings game day tradition of texting back and forth,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and I think you texted me right away it's his achilles,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, it's not, it can't be, and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, it's definitely his achilles.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Well, and somebody had pretty quickly you put out on
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Twitter like a very close up slow mo video just
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: right of Kirk's ankle, right when it right when it popped,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: and you just I'm not a doctor, but I can't
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: deny that that's pretty pretty clear and definitive evidence that yeah,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: he's it's his achilles and he's done. And then it
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: kind of sank in pretty quickly after that, maybe even
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: during that game, that like, holy cow, he might be
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: he might actually be done as a Viking. My first
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: thought was, Okay, he'll be back next year. It'll be
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: the rest of the year. This is gonna suck. And
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: then I mean maybe just seeing people tweeting about it,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: maybe kind of realizing his contract situation, like then it
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: kind of triple sank in that, Yeah, this this might
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: have been the last That touchdown to Jordan Addison might
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: have been the last touchdown he threw as a Viking,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: you know, which kind of sucked. But I think that's
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: the low hanging fruit. You ask any Vikings fan about
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the twenty three season what the worst moment was, It's
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: probably gonna be that Kirk injury.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think second, by not too far is
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the injury to Justin Jefferson. So Week five against the Chiefs,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: he went down with that hamstring injury and sat out what.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Was it, seventy seven games?
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, seven games, yeah, including the bye week, eight weeks total,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: but seven games. Didn't come back until that Raiders game,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and I think he was wasn't he carted off in Vegas?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dobbs kind of floated it up for him and
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: he got hit on the way down and I think
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: that's when you was he coughing up blood or something
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, he was. He was carted off, or
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: maybe not carted off.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: The field, but he went to the hospital in Vegas,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: and I mean, everybody's kind of concerned for the guy
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: after that, and he ended up coming back the next
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: week against Cincy. But yeah, it was just a rough
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: season for Justin Jefferson, and he had the cameras on
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: him all season, kind of unknowingly to us until that
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: came out at the end of the season that he
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: was on the Netflix Receiver series. And I've kind of
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: already expressed, even probably a month ago now, that I
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: was kind of disappointed with the Netflix and I still
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: am after being a few more episodes. Yeah, just the
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: coverage of Justin Jefferson. But I mean, you can't blame
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Netflix for the fact that he got hurt. However, many
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: games what was eight seven games we said, in eight
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: weeks total, So that really sucks. And I don't know,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I think you lose your starting quarterback. That's that's the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: worst thing that can happen, especially if he's a decent,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: decent quarterback and a Pro Bowl level I mean potentially
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: even all Pro level.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, say what you want about Kirk Cousins,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: but at the time he got injured, he had started
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: playing like an MVP level player.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we just mentioned it. The Niners game
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I think was maybe one of the best games of
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: his career, and he was playing without Justin Jefferson at
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: that point. And then he goes out and balls against
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the Packers the following week until he gets hurt.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, you just said it.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: It was a decided victory for the Vikings against the
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Packers at Lambeau before he gets hurt. And he gets hurt,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: he goes down and we're thinking, Okay, it's minor, he'll
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: be back next week. Little did we know that was
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the last pass that Kirk Cousins ever threw for the
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Vikings as far as we know, at least to this point.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he won't be back. He won't be back. It's interesting,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: So let's just recap really quick and then I'll share
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: my final point here because I know we want to
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: save some time for Dusley Baker here. But my favorite
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: moment the pastronaut against the Saints we've decided, where he
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: leaped into the end zone and score that touchdown. Your
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: favorite moment Jordan Addison ripping that touchdown away from whatever
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: forty nine ers defender that was right before halftime against
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers. That really kind of set the
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: tone for the second half in that game, and I
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: think kind of helped push the Vikings towards victory. There
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: worst moment Kirk's injury, justin Jefferson's injury. Both really really
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: put a damper on the Viking season.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: They really sucked.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Did you see the comments that Kirk made this week
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: about kind of I think he was on some talk
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: show and he made some comment about how if he
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: had known that the Falcons were going to do what
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: they did in the draft, he maybe wouldn't have Interesting.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't see that.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: So it is really interesting. It seems like maybe the
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: decision for Kirk was kind of on a whim and
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: maybe was a little bit based.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Yet definitely money. I mean, I don't think that's a
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: bad thing to say either, it's not.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: But for a guy that's been so team focused and
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: so family focused and so you know, just wholesome and
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: has this good guy mentality about him, you kind of
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: have to scratch your chin at the business decision that
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: was made too, because they drafted Michael Pennix at what nine? Yeah,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: like not it wasn't a first round pick, it was
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: a top ten pick. It was it was like, this
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: is a significant decision in the Falcons franchise.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: And he hasn't really.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Outrightly said he's displeased with that decision. But I think
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: this most recent comment that he made that well, if
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: he would have known the outcome of the draft, maybe
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: he would have made a different decision kind of implies that, Well,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe there's there's something to that, and maybe maybe
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: maybe Kirk should have made a different decision.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: And I think what I would.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Say on the flip side of all of that is,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I think the Vikings got the better side of that deal.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: So far, it seems I'm not upset about it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: So Yeah, Well, what I think they have is they
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: have three healthy quarterbacks going into training camp in preseason
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that are.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Really four the Vikings. Yeah right, really four? Yeah.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously one of them is gonna get cut
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: and not going to make the final roster, but they
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: have three healthy, viable options at starting quarterback that could
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: make that fifty three man roster. Obviously, they're they're not
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: gonna They're probably not gonna waste their draft pick on
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: JJ and Sam Darnold. I mean, they didn't pay a
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: ton for him, but I would think that he'll at
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: least get a roster spot to prove himself.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: And then we've already said it's.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Gonna be between Jaron Hall and Nick Mullins, and I
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: would probably venture to guess it's Nick Mullins at this point.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: And we can talk with us and more about that
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: here in just a few minutes.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: But I'm interested to hear his most up to date
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: thought process on that quarterback room for the Vikings, Dustin's
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: thought process on that quarterback room, because things have changed
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: since definitely since the draft and even since training Kip
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: started just what a couple of weeks ago, So yeah,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: it'll be interesting indeed it will. Yeah, well, should we
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: transition on over to that conversation now.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do that, and then we'll come back really quick.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: We'll give you a just kind of a final review
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: on the hot Fish Project hot Fish Volume five collab
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: beer from several different awesome Iowa breweries. Yeah, and that'll
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: be our episode for today.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Sounds good, all right, so you go with Dustin's cool.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: All right, Welcome back everybody. Dustin, thanks so much for
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: coming back on. I love that that you come on
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: our show on a regular basis, and I say it
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: every time. You're more than welcome to come on any
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: anytime you want. We we love having you. It's always
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: a good time. So thanks again for coming on. Well, absolutely,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I'm glad to be back, and I'm even more excited
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: about the post this chat. The next time we'll talk
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: will either be right before Wikings Giants or the Tuesday
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: after Vikings Giants. That's how damn close we are to
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: the real deal.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: It's so awesome.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had a good rhythm with you about about
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: once a month, and so right, that'll be right about
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: week one time frame next time we have you on.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: But this time we got plenty to talk about. You
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: kind of mentioned it a little bit before we hit record.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: There's there's quite a bit that we can talk about,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: especially since the last time you're on. But I kind
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: of noticed so on Vikings Territory dot com, I noticed
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: an article posted as of now that we're recording this,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: it was posted yesterday by you basically titled three Vikings
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: off season theories that you can forget about. And yeah,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: we've had some news today. You know, August sixth, the
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: first unofficial depth chart was released, and this article came
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: out before that, but you even said it a few
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: minutes ago. It kind of stood the test of the
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: new information with that depth chart. So I thought it'd
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: be cool to kind of walk through that article and
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: then put people there. So, yeah, Evan, what are your
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: thoughts on that?
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the first thing that Janik wrote about his
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: first point, first of three theories was that JJ needs
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: a red shirt ear. I think that was the headline
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: above the section there. And I think everything that I've
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: heard from camp on Twitter and and some of the
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: news things that he's having a really good training camp.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: He's looking really solid.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: And he's proving that he may not need to sit
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the bench for very long, if even at all. And
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I think that's what makes the depth chart so interesting.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: We were just talking about the depth chart before we
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: hit record, and so what do you do Dustin with
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: kind of the incongruity between all of this amazing stuff
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: we're hearing about Dustin here, Dustin about jas McCarthy at camp,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: and then the depth chart comes out and he's not
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the top guy.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: So the depth chart released like today's is always fantastic
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: because it is a confirmation or a contradiction of what
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: you've been thinking for about three months since the draft.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: And one of the things I've learned over the years
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: about depth charts, whether from Mike Zimmer or Kevin O'Connell,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: is that they're not ironclad in that if your guy
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: is buried, so to speak, that doesn't mean like, oh
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I was wrong about him. It doesn't mean that at all.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: It just takes sometimes younger guys are unsung guys a
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: little longer in the summer to climb the depth chart.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Janni Yecker, who we just talked about, he tweeted today.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Last year at this time, Jordan Addison was WR four.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: We were like, really, and then I've and pace, even
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: after the hype train had already begun. He was ILB
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: five last year. So if your rookie, your favorite rookie
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: rookie A is not where you want him on the
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: depth chart, we still got a whole preseason to go. Conversely,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: the depth chart is really good about identifying climbers. So
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: if your guy is already up there, like Jashaun Jones
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: is listed as WR six, we're like, oh wow, so
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: that steam was kind of real. Or Fabian Moreau. I
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: don't know a whole lot of Fabian Moreau stands, but
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: he just showed up last week and he's CB four
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: over Andrew Booth. So those are my disclaimers about the
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: depth chart is it doesn't usually promote somebody unjustly, but
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: it doesn't mean if your guys buried that you have
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: to say, oh, yep, I got that wrong. On McCarthy,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: I don't really care that he is QB two slash
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: three on the depth chart because I've listened to what
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: O'Connell has said about him in the last three weeks
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: since training camp began. He even said last week, you know,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: you look at the depth chart. He told the reporters,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: you guys see it. These guys are pretty even, and
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, if you're starting to say that shit,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: that means we're working our way into this by September
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: three or something. It won't be weird at all. If
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: O'Connell makes McCarthy the starter about his summer so far.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Usually in situations like this, I will tell anybody or
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: shows like this, like you gotta give it time, fellas,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: guys and gals. This guy's twenty one years old. We
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: knew that he was going to be a project. You
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: don't have to say that about JJ McCarthy at all.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: You have to say that about my guy, Drake May
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: on the Patriots. Joe Milton is performing better than Drake
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: May at Patriots camp. But the perk of McCarthy instead
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: of May. It kind of became a binary choice between
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: those two guys. You'll recall in April was Drake May
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: was always going to have to sit a year that
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: was across the board. The prognosis on his scouting report
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: really raw. All the talent in the world, gotta give
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: it until twenty twenty five. With McCarthy, it was the opposite,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Like he doesn't throw the ball very much because they
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: run it all the time and arbor, but he is
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: game ready, So I think I think we're seeing that
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: in living color at training camp, on the field the throws.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: And then about twenty five percent of the battle for
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: a rookie is the microphone and sounding poison enough, sounding mature,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: and I'll be damned if McCarthy doesn't sound like that already.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: And then the leadership era. Every time I pull up
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: an article from Dalton Reisner or TJ. Howkinson, they're all
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: saying like, Oh, this kid, this kid's gonna be good.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: So I would be flabbergasted if McCarthy turns out to
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: be shitty or mid. He really feels like he's going
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: to be good. I still think that the Vikings, because
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: they're the Vikings, will start with Donald, but who really cares.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: They could pivot to McCarthy week two or week three,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Like if they start off zero to three, there's no
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: timetable that says, well, it looks like Donald's gonna be
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: the QB one. Fine, that doesn't mean that he's gonna
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: take it for the rest of the season. And I've
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: dialed back any idea of a McCarthy redshirt season because
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: he looks so mature. And I'll say this one hundred
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: times before the regular season. If it was up to me,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I was starting with McCarthy no matter what. I was
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: saying that on draft night, because I don't really care
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: if the Vikings go four and thirteen or five and
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: twelve or six and ten. I want to get to
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five and have that be a year where
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: we're like, all right, we are going to contend. Now
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: we've got the rookie quarterback who got his lumps out
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: of the way. Last year, you had Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: t J. Hoggins, and all these guys in their prime.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I don't want to have McCarthy sit for a whole year.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Then we get to this time next year and we're like, oh,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: let's see how McCarthy looks. We'll have to work him along,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: and then twenty twenty six is the new year. So
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: if it was up to me, I would start McCarthy.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: But I've been saying that since April twenty fifth. Yeah, yeah,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: So I've been what I've been saying the whole time,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: even before they actually drafted the guy they're going to
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: draft somebody, I've been saying I don't once Sam Darnold
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: was signed. Really let's go with Donald and not even
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: until Donald loses a job.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: I just don't want the rookie to come in.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I don't want him to get the job until he
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: earns it, because that's the best way for development and
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: for the best of the team. So I've kind of been,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: you know, one hand in both pots here for that
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: whole mindset of like I want Donald to start the
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: whole time, and then I want JJ to and you know,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: earn the job. But I think we're seeing the idea
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: that JJ maybe earning that job earlier than most people
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: would have thought, regardless of if you wanted him to
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: start day one, whether he was ready fully or not,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: just to learn by fire. I think he's at least
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: the Vikings are doing a good job of making it
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: seem like he's he's coming along quickly and he's learning,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: and he's, you know, Kirk Cousins, like on the microphone,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: like you just said, you know, just saying all the
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: right things, and seems like he's doing all the right things.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I think he might might earn the job earlier than expected,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: And I'm okay with that if it works out.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Let's go.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: And it's an unforeseen problem quote problem to have where
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: I've been feeling for the past week or so that
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: who cares like both guys, Either guy is probably gonna
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: be pretty good because they were they'll already be battle
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: tested against each other. O'Connell's not gonna start the lesser
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: guy just because he's sticking to some script and where
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: we were thinking maybe may first, May second, laying well,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: both these guys might be shit, so let's just get
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: through this and hopefully they get to five hundred or something.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: To me, it feels like you're gonna pick from two
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: guys that are quite good based on this offense. Not
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: saying Darnold has been good before, but I have changed
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: my tune about how I'm thinking about this and just
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: this walk over season seven to ten, eight nine. I
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: probably will still predict that for the record, but there's
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of enthusiasm between these two guys that it
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have to be a lost season. They both
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: seem like they fit in this offense, and I trust
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell with a guy a quarterback. Both these guys
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: can throw outside the numbers. That was Joshuadobb's problem. He
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: couldn't do that. Jarnhall was way too raw. And then
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Nick Mullens is a gunslinger of all gunslingers. So when
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: you find Donald McCarthy, I think O'Connell can find a
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: guy that can protect the football, move the sticks, throw
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: some touchdown passes. So I don't think all this shit
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: about like, oh, they're guaranteed to be in last place
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: NFC North is so brutal. I don't really buy it.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I trust Kevin O'Connell and I love that we have
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: two quarterbacks choose from that feel really exciting in the summer.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: And it's gonna make a preseason way.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Oh god, remember the Sewn Manyon days. I hated preseason
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: with Sean Manyon because it's like, why do we have
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: to watch this? But yeah, continue, Well, I.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Mean, for the first time in a long time, you
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: don't have a situation where the bona fide starter is
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: just gonna sit all the way through preseason and we
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: don't know who the starter is gonna be. So I
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: would expect to see all four of the guys that
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: are still on the roster at that position mixed in
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: at various points throughout the preseason until they figure out
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: what the order is.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: Going to be in which guy's gonna pack his bags.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's what I expect as well. I think
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: each one will get a quarter, give or take base.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna take a guy out in
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the middle of a drive when they go to the
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: second quarter or something like that. But I'll say this
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: before we put a bow on the McCarthy topic. If
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: this guy was going to make a case for himself
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: to win the job outright this summer, this is exactly
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: how it would go. What we're seeing unfold, Like, there's
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: no variations between a hostile takeover by a young quarterback
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: then what you're seeing right now. Every time I go
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: to say, like, I try to find like, all am
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I being a homer about this guy, and you watch
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: the tape and you read the stuff and you're like, no,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: I just think he is that good so far for
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: his age in his development. Yeah, And I think your
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: tweet from the other day, maybe in a week ago,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: and pooted to it a few minutes ago, that we
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: should be saying, calm down, guys, of course he sucks.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: He's twenty one. And he's never been in the NFL before.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: But like your tweet said and what you said a
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: few minutes ago, we're not saying that like we should
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: be a little excited, Like it's okay to be a
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: little excited about this guy. It is, and it's gonna
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: be So let's say we get we're doing your show
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: in August twenty twenty seven, and we're like, yeah, remember McCarthy,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: he hasn't quite worked out. It's gonna be so weird
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: if we have to say that, because it will have
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: meant that Jim Harball was flatly wrong. I mean he
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: just gushed about him coming out of the draft. Thorne Eystrom,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: who's fantastic at his job, it will mean he will
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: be absolutely wrong. All of these Vikings players that have
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: been like this guy is good, They're gonna be all wrong.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Like so does it feels more grandiose and bankable than
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Teddy or Ponder? I remember those guys and I remember thinking, yeah,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: maybe they'll be good. But right now, in private like
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: conversations with Yannick through our slack channel, he and I
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: are like trying to pinch ourselves, like.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: What do we like?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Why is this too good to be true, and we
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: have it come into a resolution as to why that
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: is for mister McCarthy. All right, well, I think it
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: stands to be said that at least the three of
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: us were McCarthy fans. We think he has the chance
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: to be a real deal. We've gotched on enough, so
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I think we can we can move on to the
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: second theory that can be busted here from Yonick, and
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: that second theory was that the Vikings needed to acquire
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: a wide Receiver three. I think that was a bulk
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: of part of our conversation the last couple of times
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: you've been on our show, Dustin, and you've you've identified
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: a few w R three's out there. Hunter Renfro is
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: the big name that comes to my mind that the
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Vikings need need to get somebody, and obviously they really didn't.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: And it seems like it's kind of working out so
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: far even without the Hunter Renfro or somebody in there.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: What should we also, in the same way we were
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: kind of believing in JJ McCarthy, shouldn't we start to
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: kind of believe in some of these you know, wide
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: receiver threes, the Joshawn Jones or the you know, any
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: of the other guys. Yes, and it's for a couple reasons.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: I still would not have a problem. If my phone
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: buzzed tomorrow morning and said Hunter and Fro, I'd be like, cool, yeah,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: like to the Vikings, let's do it. But they never
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: had a human body problem a wide receiver. They've always
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: had ten or eleven since the end of undrafted free agency.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: So the bodies were there. It was trusting whether or
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: not Jalen Naylor A would break out again this summer,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: which he has, and then b stays healthy. That story
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: hasn't been written yet. We got to make sure he
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: stays healthy. We never beefed with his speed or his
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: scouting report from Michigan State. It's that I've told this
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: story a couple of times last year. When I go
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: to write something even remotely involving Naylor, I would stop
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: researching what was wrong with him injury wise, because every
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: time I looked him up there was something dinged I
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: don't concussion, And I was just like, I don't really
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: care anymore what's wrong with him because he's never available.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: So I let that permeate my off season, thinking that
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: guy isn't trustworthy. And so that was me being way
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: too cynical about him. It makes all the sense in
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: the world that the Vikings didn't pursue a high profile
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: WR three, and the free agency sure as hell didn't
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: draft one because they said, we've got Jalen Naylor at home,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: and none of us really knew that or trusted the
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: injury resume enough to believe in it. So we pivoted
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: to Brandon Powell and were like, well, you know, we
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: could talk ourselves into him being WR three, and I
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: was like, I guess. And then Trent Sherfield was there
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: one veteran signing at that spot, and today on the
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: depth chart he's buried at like WR six, and so
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: you try to wander ling air and that I don't
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: even know if Surefield's gonna make the team. There's a
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: couple other things that make me less anxiety about WR three.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: The biggest, of course, is Jalen Naylor looking the part.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: But then it.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Seems like Jordan Addison's suspension probably won't happen right away,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: and if they have Hockinson back by the time Addison
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: suspended at all, I don't give a shit about the
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: WR three. I just don't because TJ Hockinson is the
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: WR three on any given Sunday, So if they can
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: somehow accidentally line those up WR three gals, that goes
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: out the window of Jaalen Naylor's good. It's gravy. Brandon
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Powell will do a couple of heroic things. So it
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: seems like the timing of the would be Addison suspension
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: will either happen in the middle of season or just
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: be pushed off until next year, and we'll be talking
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: about how it will affect the season in twenty twenty five.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: And then yeah, basically, Hockinson, his injury or recovery seems
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: a little more swimmingly then first. Let on, I still
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: expect him to miss the first part of the season.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: But just like we talked to think off air about
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: RB three, I really wouldn't care about WR three because
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: I trust Kevin O'Connell. But the fact that Addison might
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: have been suspended and start the season Hockinson's still recovering.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: You're looking around at pass catchers that are justin Jefferson,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Brandon Powell, Johnny Munt, like, how are we gonna win
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: games like this when we have Sam Darnold that quarterback.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Those worries are a little bit put on the back
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: burner because Naylor looks good and healthy, Hockinson's prognosis is
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: better than expected, and then any ADS and suspension probably
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: won't happen. I don't think that's possible for it to
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: happen in week one. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna bring
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: up the idea that Hockinson just every the way everybody's
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: talking and apparently he's been doing stuff on the sidelines,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: and it seems like he's coming along better than would
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: be expected at this point of an ACL tear, So
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: that that is the nice thing to kind of make
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: you that that cherry on top of like, I guess
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: the wide receiver three might not be that huge of
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: an issue. Have any thoughts on do you believe in
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Jalen Naylor? Do you do you kind of not really care?
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Like Dustin insane? Or is braindon Palell going to be
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: the savior?
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: No, I definitely agree with what you said, Dustin, especially
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: when Howkinson's back and healthy and contributing. He's the bona
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: fide wide receiver three. We don't have to worry about
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: anything else that way. But I like what Yannick said
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: in his article. He mentioned that if you get if
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: you've got Naylor and Brandon Powell, O'Connell's got some options
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: depending on what you need to do. Naylor's a good
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: route runner and Brandon Powell's got good speed, So depending
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: on what you need and what route you need him
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: to run and where you need to where you need
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: him to catch the ball, you can kind of mix
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and match. So if it is going to be Jefferson
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Addison and then a combination of Naylor and Powell at
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: three and four, I think you like those options and
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: hopefully you can kind of pick up the slack with
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: your tight end game until Hawkinson's back.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with Hawkinson, when you have a guy who's that
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: handsomely paid and then because he's so darn good, gets
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: those targets, it's kind of like the Chiefs. Do you
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: think the Chiefs fan sit up late at night wondering
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: who the WR three is going to be? No, they
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: don't give a shit. It's usually Sky Moore or Mi
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: cole Hard, And we're like, those guys are footnotes because
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: you have Roggie Rice, like the the tame version, Travis
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Kelcey and then with the flavor of the week at
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: WR two, so not that the Vikings offense is going
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: to emulate the Chiefs, but when you have a tight
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: end that gets one hundred, one hundred and twenty targets,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: that's more than WR three gets, and then you're really
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: realistically in a target share of talking about a WR four.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: So let's just get Hawkinson back and all be gravy exactly.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: So let's move to the last kind of line item
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: here that Janni wrote about. A theory that we can
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: kind of dismiss would be that guard battle between Brandell
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: and Reisner. And this one kind of surprised me as
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: things in training camp have developed, because I really thought
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: this would have been more of a battle, and I
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: thought Reisner would have maybe made a little bit more
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: of a case for himself, especially considering the fact that
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: nobody wanted him for such a long time and he
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: signed a contract so late in the game. You'd think
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: he'd come into training camp with a little bit of
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: a fire under his but to come out and prove
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: that he's starter worthy and that just hasn't happened, it
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: seems like. And with the the depth chart coming out today,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: he's where is he at? I don't even see him
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: on here, he's behind Ingram second string right guard.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, on the right side.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: So from what I've heard on Twitter and stuff, he's
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: he's getting mostly second team reps, hasn't really had any
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: first team reps.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: So what do you make of that? Dustin thoughts on Reisner.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Well, there, when he signed in May, whatever day that was,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: I remember thinking, oh, sweet, he's coming back after all.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: And then it took a couple of days for his
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: deal details to come out, and it was like two
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: point something million. Oh he's not gonna start this Blake
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Brandle stuff was real. So I have swallowed that the
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: idea that Brandal's going to be the starter. But I
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: don't understand if they're going to indeed put Riiser on
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: the bench, why is it at right guard. I don't
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: understand that because he's a lifelong left guard. And then
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: on the depth chart today, Michael Jurgens, who we thought
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: was a center, is listed at left guard. And it's like, okay,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: so you're not gonna start Riisinger, And you also say, like,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: get the hell out of your usual spot. You've been
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: demoted to right guard. Maybe it doesn't make that big
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: of a deal to them. I've always been told that
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: those guys can be interchangeable, but they prefer the one spot.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: And it felt last year like they were hell bent
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: on putting Riisner at left guard, you know, waiting on
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: almost Ezra Cleveland to get hurt. And then Riisner had
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: his takeover. So yes, when Riisner came aboard that first
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: few days, I was like, sweet, I guess they they
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: realized Randall wasn't that good after all. That's kind of
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: what I thought, and money talked though, because Randall has
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: paid more more money than Riisner. He feels like a
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: shoe and at left guard. And then I hope and
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're ready to give up on ed Ingram.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: And ed Ingram is a uniquely different guard than Bolton
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Reisner because ed Ingram is good at run protection or
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: run blocking and Reisner is not. And then Ingram is
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: mid at pass protection and Riisner's wonderful at that. So
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: it almost is like the NFL like like a cabal
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: was like, we don't want you, you wont trick pony,
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Like we don't want a guy who only protects the quarterback.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's what they said, but that's what
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: it seems like the hints suggest. So it is a
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: little strange that Reisner is. We are here in August
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: and we're like, oh, yeah, that guy. That guy's a
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: bench player win For what six seven years, we were
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: starved for a player like Reisner that could protect the quarterback.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: We used to pray for it. I will trust their
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: judgment with Ingram and hope that he takes his big
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: leap in year number three. But based on Reisner being
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: in there with the second teamers, if you have Reisner
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: anywhere in your projections as a starter, I think it's
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: time to yank him out unless Ingram falls plat on
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: his face. And this is a good problem to have.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: You have Dalton Reisner, who is probably the best backup
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: guard in the NFL. And we know we already know
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: if from training camp the injuries are a real thing.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: We haven't got to the regular season ones yet. It'll
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: be sweet to have some depth for once at the
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: interior offensive line. Yeah, it's just it's this whole situation
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: that just feels weird because what we saw with our
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: own eyes. And yeah, there's probably like ten bona fide
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: offensive line experts out there in the world that can
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: tell you exactly like, oh, yeah, that's actually a good
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: offensive line or no, they're they're missing their blocks, but
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: they're getting lucky, you know. Like I mean, I feel
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: like from my you know, amateur viewpoint, Reisner, when he
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: took over at left guard, the offensive line seemed to
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: kind of mesh together a little bit better last than
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: twenty three, and he seemed like a really good addition, obviously,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: And then the perception was that when he got the
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: starting job after Cleveland got hurt, he'd never let it go. Yeah,
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: he traded Cleveland away, and so it all maybe it's
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: just like they were already gonna trade Cleveland away. I
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: don't know, but it just feels like what we saw
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: last year doesn't mesh with what we're seeing now. And
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: it probably doesn't help that Reisner is also like kind
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: of a fan favorite, a media guy. So I guess
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: what we have to, you know, chalk it up to
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: and be okay with is what you just said that
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: it's a good problem to have, right, seems to be
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: a good player, And I guess if you have a
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: good player on the bench, that means the starters are
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: better anyway. So yeah, as long as as long as
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Darnold and or McCarthy are staying up right more often
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: than not. I guess we can't really complain too much
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: the way who's playing it, the way that I'm rationalizing,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: you know, Riser on the bench really for this team
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: that had such shitty guard play for five years, it's
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: that I think they believe in the upside and development
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: of ed Ingram as the total package, so that we
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: already know he can run block pretty damn well. Well
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: he's in year three now, we've also seen the summer
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: that this guy can pass block. I think their goal
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: is for the guy that they selected in the second
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: round two years ago. We have faith in him to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: become a very good offensive lineman at both facets. When
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: you look at Riseterer and he's very visibly as a
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: one trick pony, a wonderful pass blocker. And you have
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: to remember this is a team that desperately needs to
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: fix their ground game. Otherwise it's almost meaningless to analyze
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Vikings football if they can't fix the ground game, because
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: no team ever gets to the Super Bowl ranking twenty seven,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: twenty eighth in rushing efficiency because you can't close out
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: football games if you can't run the ball. So I
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: think it aligns with their vision, which I think they
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: actually believe in this year. They said it last year
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: too and didn't fix anything. We're gonna run the football.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Even O'Connell used the dirty words last week. We're gonna
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: stablish the run. He said they used drive Vikings fans
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: crazy during the zimmer era. Uh So I think that
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: in order to do that, you can't roll in with
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Reisner and you want to bank on your ability to
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: cultivate Ingram into the total package. Yeah, that makes sense
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: to me. All Right, So we've we've sprinkled it in
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: the whole conversation this whole time. But let's let's actually
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: focus on a little bit. What are your thoughts on
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: the the first unofficial depth chart release that was just
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: released today. Oh, I got a I got a lot
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: of thoughts on it. I don't know if we want
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: to take them one by one or go rapid fire.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing to me, and I'm trying
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: to obey my own caveat at the top of the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: show that if a guy is buried that it's not gospel.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: But Robert Tanyan is the tight end five and We're like,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: all right, well we we saw, we were told that
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: he had a wonderful mini camp. He had some backspasms
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: at training camp, but that doesn't mean you get demoted
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: and you're gonna have a football team on September eighth
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: that probably doesn't have t J. Howkinson. So you would
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: think that Tanya would be higher up on that depth chart.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: I expected him to be probably Hawkinson, what would it
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: be Oliver because he's a run blocking guy. Tanya Mont
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: and then your Nick Muse and Traynon But no, Tanya
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: is buried and we'll see if that one holds that
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: that one surprise you guys at all. I've been a
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: little cynical about the Tanyan not but not like.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: When you're vindicated believer.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've always been of the mindset and
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: I definitely said something to this tune on the school
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: hop here. But he's been bouncing around so much. I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: think his best year was two or three to go
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: with the Packers, and it's not like he's ever been
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: a thousand yard receiver, which I mean he's a tight end.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: He's probably not going to be unless you're Travis Kelce
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: or last year knocking on the door for TJ. Hockinson
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: before that end. But I mean, Tanyan, I don't know.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: He seems like a guy that he's athletically gifted and talented,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: but he's bounced around so much that it's hard for
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: me personally to get behind him and believe in him.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know. That's just my personal opinion.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: His best season was I'm looking at it right now,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: twenty four years ago. He had eleven touchdowns, and I mean, yeah,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: I was a little more excited about him just because
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: I recognized the name. I didn't really follow him as
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: a player, but anytime you can steal a guy from
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: the bad guys, it's.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: Always to in my opinion.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm surprised that he's as low as he is,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure injury has something to do with that.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with the back spasms, I don't know if we'll
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: see him on Saturday for his sake, hopefully. So a
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: couple more that I got. I'll package the next two
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: into one category, the Gabriel Murphy hype. If you trust
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: the depth chart, that is real because he's listed as
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: the OLB five in the order they do it. They
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: never make it easy. They never just go down and
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: make a chart. They have to put semi colon's and
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: the word or and all this shit. It's like, really,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: just have me come there and I'll show you how
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: to do this. So at Gabriel Murphy, that hype seems real,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: and if he is truly the OILB five, that means
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: he's right on the roster bubble and would probably make it.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: In that same light, I think we brought up to
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Shawn Jones. He was like the WR six, I believe,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: and when they usually have or eleven or twelve wide receivers,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: he could have checked in at WR twelve and we'd
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, that's a mistake. Maybe he'll climb later
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: this summer. But it appears that all of the observations
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: from some on TOSHN Jones are real. And then certainly
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Gabriel Murphy, who just like I've in pace exact same thing.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Most draft heads were like, why did this guy go
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: in round three or four because his arms were too small?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Really like they didn't learn their lessons. So those two
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: stood off the page to me, Murphy and Jones as climbers,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: that seems real.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, DeShawn Jones I don't know.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: I'm just I want to believe in him, so I'm
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: going to take all the things that they say about
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: him and just really pump it up. But I mean,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: he's above or at least it's that Joshawn Jones and
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Trent Sherfield, But I think that's more of their their
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: tide for whatever here that they're in. But he has
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: no business being in that category with Sherfield. Surefield has
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: been around for five years, Yeah, exactly, but that's still
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: even higher than Lucky Jackson, who's been on the team.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Well what the last year. So Thayer Thomas, who was
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: I think he was he undrafted but kind of outed
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: undrafted guy. So I'm in the Joshawn Jones, I'm a fan,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: and hopefully that doesn't doesn't fite us in the butt
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: there a little bit.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: Evan, any any.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Major thoughts on the depth chart the first art that
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: definitely won't.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: Change at all.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I was looking at the punter position. I noticed
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: that Ryan Wright was listed as the starting punter, which
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: is kind of surprising because he struggled at the end
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: of last year. And I kind of heard some rumblings
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: through camp that seth Vernon was looking pretty decent, and
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: so it was interesting to see that he's likely going
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: to remain the starting punter. So at least that's the
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: indication right now.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the seth Vernon for P one that was very
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: vivid and palpable in June, and it seems like either
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: somehow Ryan Wright closed the gap at training camp. We
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: don't get a whole lot of punter highlights. Yeah, and
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: so they're gonna have to make a decision on that.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: That's probably what the preseason games are for the other
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: ones I'll mention before we move on to the next topic.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Are Duke Shelley on this step chart was like CB
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: seven CB eight, So either either they made a mistake
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: or he is fighting to even make the roster. They
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: must really adore newcomer Fabian Moreau because he is CB
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: four and they had to put him on this roster recently,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: and it seems like they strategically did it that high.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: And then I don't know if it's a surprise but
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: a confirmation that Lewis Scene and Andrew Booth were utterly
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: buried on this thing. It seems sadly that I don't
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: know how they find a roster spot for scene when
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: they have so many damn safeties and then and then
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: booth at CB five. If you interpret this step chart
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: the way I do, that's right on the roster bubble.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: That can go either way. But it really sucks that
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: these guys we've had all the patients for feel like
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: nothing burgers exactly. And while we're on the cornerback topic,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: I think my biggest surprise for the last couple of
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: weeks for me personally, is not that they haven't added
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: more cornerbacks to the roster. It's that they haven't added
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: like good one they're funny. Yeah, I have to go
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: look up Jacoby Francis and I'm like, all, if I
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: don't know who he is, that's a big problem. Yeah,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: you think at this point, like even trading assets for
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: a known commodity, like if it's unless you're you know,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: selling your entire future for a guy like I mean,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been shocked to see like a second
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: round pick traded for some guy that we're all like, oh, yeah,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: this would be a really good, really good, you know,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: addition to the team. And who are We're just a
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: couple of guys, we don't know anything. So for all
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: I know they've been making calls and they just couldn't
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: find the right deal or make anything work. But I
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: am surprised that. I mean, you know, Van Gilmour and
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: some of the other guys that are out there aren't
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: on the team right now, Like you figure they would
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: have at least been desperate enough to make a bigger
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: name move than Fabian Moreau or you know, Jacobe Francis. Like,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm kind of deflated on what they
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: haven't done for that position recently. Yeah, every time I
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: saw a new alert last week, it was some defensive
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: back that you had to like scour the deep bowels
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: of the internet to figure out who he was. Aside
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: from Fabian Moreau, he played a lot last year, but
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: he's very mid So I'm right there with you. The
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: good news is if they ever wake up on Wednesday, Thursday,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Friday morning like, oh shit, we gotta fix this fellas,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: they can go get Gilmore, they can go get a
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Kella Witherspouron. Zavin Howard has a real rotten legal problem
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: going on. I don't want anything to do with him
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: unless that's adjudicated. So there are solutions out there. This
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: discussion feels a lot like what we talked about at
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: WR three twenty minutes ago. Like there's a lot of guys,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: so I understand if they feel confident in it, But
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: I keep coming back to all right Byron Murphy. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: he was like he wasn't great. He was pretty good
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: last year. And then Shaq Griffin, by the way, his
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: hamstring that was tweaked. It really sucked that Kyrie Jackson died.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: And then it really sucked that Makai Blackman was the
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: first major NFL injury of the summer. I didn't think
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: they had a cornerback problem going into the summer because Murphy,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Shack Griffin, Kyrie Jackson, Makai Blackman. You could only have
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: so many cornerbacks on the field on each play. I
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: don't know why people wanted us to be like seven
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: cornerbacks deep, but now it seems like they were vindicated
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: because one passed away and one's you know, acl popped.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: So they evidently really like Dwight Mclothurn or they really
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: like Duke Shelley but refuse to promote him on the
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: depth chart because the solutions are staring us in the face.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Just like we've said about WR, three for five months,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: I'd say, right now, cornerback CB and defensive tackle of
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: the two positions that I'm queasy about. Yeah, And I
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: would argue and I think you'd probably agree with me too.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: The WR three problem they've I mean, they've obviously had
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: that fixed in house at least in the have an
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: added of anybody, but cornerback. I mean they've had to
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: add people because of you know, circumstances. But they have
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: added people, it's just nobody, you know, Like it's not
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: like they added Fabian Moreau two months ago on a
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: like hey, well we'll get him in here in camp
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: and then they're like, oh man, he's doing great. We
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: don't have to add stuff on gilmore because even though
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: we've had these injuries, Fabian's been working awesome for two
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: months there for two weeks.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: You know, like not even so I don't know.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: That's where I'm coming from, and I will be glad
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: to be wrong and see the Vikings defensive backfield just
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: flourish this year if that happens. But I just that
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: scares me because I know how important that cornerback position
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: specifically is to the game of football. It's almost as
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: important as a run game. I mean, you have to
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: defend the pass. Yeah, the other thing that sucks. The
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: other thing is, let's say we have another season where
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: the secondary or the cornerback spot is rough, and that's
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: the defense undoing. I am so sick of talking about
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: cornerbacks in the draft for the Vikings. I feel like
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: most of my adult life, at least my thirties into
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: my forties, you get to February, you pull up ESPN
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: dot Com, it's like, Hey, which cornerback are they gonna pursue?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Because they can never get it right. So for my
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: own selfish purposes, I hope somebody out of this group,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: like mcglothin, busts out, because I really don't want to
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: have to do another full off season of talking about
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: which CB are they gonna draft. I'd rather much rather
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: they think about defensive tackle, which they a drought they
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: really need to end.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: And on that front, I'm just, you know, foolishly believing
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Triquelin Roy is just going to be a pro bowler
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: this year or Levi Drake Rodriguez. Well, either one we'll
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: be fine with. Oh yeah, Project X or Player X,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: which that'd be really cool. But man, it's hard to
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: believe in that way. Yeah, test did yet.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: That's that's probably about as much as we can dive
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: into the first unofficial depth chart I have. I did
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: have one more question for you, because listeners will remember,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: right at the end of our last conversation a month
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: or so ago, almost as we were saying goodbye, you
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: had a footnote where you're saying, oh, hey, don't forget
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: cam Akers. Sounds like he's gonna beyond the team. Like
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: that's that's real. That's not just you know, yeah, fake smoke,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: that's real steam.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: So what happened? Why is he a Texan and not
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: a Viking right now?
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Well, he's a Texan that looked great, Yeah, in front
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: of in front of everybody in the preseason. Uh So
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: on July second, ESPN had it on their single transaction page.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: I found it by accident. I was I was looking
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: up like the tohtle number of players the Vikings had
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: signed in the past couple of months or some shit
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: like that, and right there it stared me in the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: face that cam Acres re signed by Vikings pending physical
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: And then that was the only place anywhere there it
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: was an NFL NFL was Wire was blank, NFL Vikings
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: dot Com didn't have Acres on the roster at all,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: and so I reached out to one of the folks
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: that I trust's usually right and I said, you know,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: is this real and he was like, oh yeah, yeah,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: they're trying to get him back. So I just proceeded
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: for what two three weeks, like we all did with
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: this is a really weird roster mystery. But evidently he'll back.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: He'll be back, And then we found out he signed
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: with a text and so I'm still trying to figure
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: out if he failed the physical and nobody reported it,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: or if the Vikings just never signed him and ESPN
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: totally bungled it. So yeah, I got that wrong. I
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: thought ESPN was somewhat trustworthy, and then the source on
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: top of it that said, oh yeah, that's in the works.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Who knows though, because if the Texans, I don't think
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: that they desperately need running back depth there's always a
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: chance that Acres is released at the end of the
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: summer and then he could come back. We already know
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: that he has a good relationship in this locker room.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Acres was very strange because it felt like
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: like there was footage of him working out an Egan.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: I think way back in January, somebody on Instagram said
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: something about, hey, is Acre's coming back to Minnesota, and
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: he said something in replies that was like, oh yeah,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: bet I'm gonna be there baby. So it always felt
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: like this one was gonna come back around full circle
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: and he could be the RB three. But it seems
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: like the Vikings like Miles Gaskin or Dwayne McBride for
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: that job. Yeah, it's it's intriguing little mystery for sure.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: There's so many of those throughout recent Vikings history, Like
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: I want to know why Cameron Dancler was benched by
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: Mike Zimmer. I don't think we'll ever figure that one out.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: There's all those little mysteries that like normal people wouldn't
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: care about, like I care, Like I want to know
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: how how forceful the Vikings were to try to get
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Drake May, if they were turned down every step of
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: the way, or if that was just no no, we
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: like McCarthy. All kinds of kinds of little Vikings mysteries
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: that I think about that are probably counterproductive. Yeah, well,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: on that note too, I always kind of go back
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: to what what what exactly happened with Teddy Bridgewater. There's
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: all that the spoken mirrors with that whole horrific situation,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: But that'd be fun to to know more info. Yeah,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: there's there's one I think the I've told you guys
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: this before me I haven't. Joe Johnson, the founder of
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Purple PTSD and then he bought Vikings Territory seven years ago.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: He passed away in twenty twenty one, but he used
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: to tell me in his heart of hearts, and he
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: claimed his intel was good that the time Mike Zimmer
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: had the patch on his eye, it's because uh, Pat
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Shermer punched him and he swore to God like his
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: people like Joe talked with the players like he knew
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: like a lot of offensive Lineman reservist players. And he
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: used to tell me that the reason that just showed
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: up out of nowhere with no explanation was because he
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: and Pat Shermer got pissed and Shermer popped him. Now,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's just Viking's folklore, but Joe
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Johnson absolutely believed it well. And if if you go
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: back to the time Kirk had had Zimmer by the
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe there is something to that.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: That'd be a fun podcast episode, is too. Yeah, crystal
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: Ball and just know all the mis all of these
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: Oh I could. I could spend six hours writing them
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: all up tonight, you know, at the questions to ask
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: the crystal Ball that is.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: I expect an article on the ten Vikings mysteries we
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: need to know about. Yeah, it'd be our Purple Unsolved
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Mysteries type of thing. There we go, All right, Evan,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: any anything else for Dustin before we start to wrap
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: things up a little bit.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just excited for the first preseason game and
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: excited to talk with you and a handful of weeks
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: from now and get your thoughts on either what's gonna
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: happen or what has happened in the first regular season game.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys talk amongst yourself and decide if we
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: want to do the Tuesday before week one or you
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: want to do a recap of week one to talk
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: about we saw what we saw and you guys holler
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: at me all right, yeah, definitely will do well until
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: we have you on next time. Where can people find
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: your stuff? What are you putting out there? Who else
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: do you want to kind of pump up a little bit?
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: Where can we find Dustin Baker? So that's Vikings Territory
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: dot com. That's where I do all of the writing.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: Janic Eckhart and myself and Josh Fry we have a
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: new website getting off the ground called draft Tuddle dot
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: com that should go live in about two weeks. Our
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: goal there is we've always joked amongst ourselves how draft sites,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: like the really cool ones like Draft Network and Pro
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Football Network, it always seems like they leave rookies for
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: dead after the draft. So our website is going to
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: focus on the draft and then the subsequent rookie performance
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: of each player so that they're not just orphaned like
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: on May first. Yeah, So that gets off the ground
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: here soon, and then VIT's now usually get about between four,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: four and six episodes per week, and then I come
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: talk to you guys once a month, so be sure
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: to be sure to check out all of it.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, it was a fun conversation with Dustin Baker.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: I love talking to him every time. Dustin, I'd probably
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: just told you this two seconds ago, but you're welcome
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: anytime on our show. I said it last time. You
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: could be on the show every week if you wanted.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: We like talking to Dustin. I think the viewers and
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: listeners like like when we talk to Dustin. Yeah, it's always.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Fun, good stuff, and I mean things are only kind
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: of ramping up from here on out to the regular season.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: So yeah, we just said goodbye to twenty three twenty
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: four yep, with Dustin, we're kind of ushering ourselves into
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty five. Talking about the preseason game
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: and JJ and Justin Jefferson and everything. I'm I'm I'm pumped.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: Let's go. If the first game, if the Giants were tomorrow,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: it couldn't be soon enough.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: It's coming, it's coming, but we we still have the
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: better part of a month to go.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well we got we got a little bit of
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: Vikings football between now and then we got the whole preseason.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Some preseason, but yeah, for sure. What are your thoughts
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: on Project Top Fish A Volume five, Dude, it's really
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: good lua toppling Goliath and big growth.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: I think this is going to be a compliment and
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: like a deficit and a I don't want to say
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: dis because it's not like anything bad, but It's a
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: double edged sword because it's that eight percent content, which
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: is perfectly fine with me. But the flavor of this
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: beer makes me want to have about ten of them.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: But the content of this beer responsibly makes me want
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: to stop at you know, two tall boys, and be
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: perfectly fine with that. So I really like the flavor.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: It's hazy, it's crisp, it's citrusy, it's delicious. It's just
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: that content. You gotta be you gotta be smart about
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: this one. Yeah, you gotta be careful. It's eight percent.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Eight percent is a little high for beer, but it
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: is good hazy for sure. You can't see through it.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: It's very happy, I would say. And I'm not one
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: that pushes back against hoppy beers. I don't mind hoppy beers,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: but I definitely trend towards the malty beers more than
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: the hoppy beers.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: We're not quite we're not quite Octoberfest season out there,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: but you know, starting to come out, and they're starting
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: to be the East they're coming out. I think Millstream
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: just had their whole big Octoberfest really party this previous weekend, yeah,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: two days ago, yep. So we're almost there. But we're
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: still in Hazy season. Okay, I know, I get it. Actually,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: friend of the show Forest two weekends ago, I went
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: to his house and we had a brew day and
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: he had never done a super hazy I PA and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: he wanted to, so he made up a recipe for that,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: and we used probably at least twice as many hops
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: as we used in the skull Hot beer in this
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: new beer that we did for him. We won't be
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: able to drink that beer on the show though that
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: I brewed with him recently, because we did that in Illinois.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: That's rough, but I was promised a chance to at
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: least try.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, we will be able to drink it, just not
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: on the show. And I do make the rules. We
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: make the rules, but we also have to follow the rules.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: So I will only at least at least right now, yeah,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: for now.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: And this is this is a fun beer, the project
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Hop fish, because I don't think this is one we
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: could get at our local high eat. Yeah as far
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: as I'm as far as I know. So we picked
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: these up on our brew hop tour and.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: On the recommendation of somebody that's following us on Facebook
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: and stuff. So thank you Dalton for the recommendation for yes, for.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Sure and yeah, for the time being, we're going to
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: continue with this Iowa only beer brewed kind of theme.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't foresee changing it anytime soon.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: But if we go twenty years for this podcast, at
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: some point reasonable minds would have to think we either
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: need to double up on beers because we've only done
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: that or twice. Yeah, we either need to double up
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: on a bunch of beers or we're going to have
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: to open up. Which there are great beers all over
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: the world, so we're not we're not anti other beers.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: We're just pro Iowa beer. So still in Iowa Only
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Beer podcast.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, this this is a pretty good Iowa beer though.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: It's fantastic and it features three probably like top tier
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Iowa breweries Big Grove, Toppling, Goliath, and Lua.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't mean to sound negative on it. That
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  Speaker 2: the content that's that's just the only knock I can
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  Speaker 2: think of Otherwise it's I mean, flavors perfect, it, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's getting.
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  Speaker 3: The job done.
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  Speaker 2: It is, it's darn near a perfect beer. It's just
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  Speaker 2: I wish I would be able to drink, you know,
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  Speaker 2: whole evening's worth of it without really hating myself the
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  Speaker 2: next morning. This is just the only knock I can
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  Speaker 2: think otherwise, it's a perfect beer for me. It's a
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  Speaker 2: it's a really good one.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know if we can get our hands
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  Speaker 1: on this one again, I wouldn't mind having it again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let us know, any of you three breweries Toppling, Goliath,
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  Speaker 2: Big Grove, and Lua, let us know if we're able
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  Speaker 2: to get our hands on some of this some more so.
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  Speaker 1: Good stuff. And great conversation with Dustin a little bit ago. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: always a great chance to catch up with him him
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  Speaker 1: and kind of get his thoughts on what's happening in
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  Speaker 1: Vikings world.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, we're kind of lucky too because I think
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  Speaker 2: he had initially planned on being at night practice for
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings during this time, but he's only able to
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  Speaker 2: talk to us since they canceled that night practice for
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  Speaker 2: I think it was either heat or rain or some combination.
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  Speaker 1: Of combination of both. The weather hasn't been ideal. It's
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  Speaker 1: been very hot and humid, just not great. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: a coach too, so I'm having to deal with some
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  Speaker 1: of that kind of in the interim.
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  Speaker 2: Well, either way, great conversation before Dustin, Great with Dustin,
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  Speaker 2: awesome beer. Nothing else to say about school School.
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