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Oregon Pawn Broker Fatally Shot and Robbed At His Riverfront Mansion After Text To "Set Up a Date · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the deep Dive. We're here to plunge into
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those really compelling stories, ones that show you the intricate
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layers beneath every day life, hopefully leaving you truly well informed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, dig in a bit deeper exactly.
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Speaker 1: Today, our journey takes us to Milwaukee, Oregon, specifically to
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this tranquil riverfront mansion. Picture it March third, twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 2: Seems ordinary, enought totally, but.
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Speaker 1: This wasn't just any home. It was sprawling, luxurious, really
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a monument to decades of hard work owned by this
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guy known locally, revered, maybe even fear a little okay,
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but that day the symbol of success, it became a
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grim crime scene inside sixty two year old Jimmy Pearson.
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People called him the Organ Pond King. He lay dead, Wow,
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a single bullet wound back of the head, and his place,
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usually immaculate, totally ransacked, valuables disturbed. It was just this stark,
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almost theatrical contrast to the huge persona he'd built.
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Speaker 2: Back of the head.
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Speaker 1: That sounds deliberate, right, And this deep dive it's way
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more than just a true crime story. It's this intricate
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tapestry woven with threads of ambition, family fight, some mysterious
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text message, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, digital breadcrumbs.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, and a massive ten million dollars state. Yeah, that
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became the center of this huge legal battle long after
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Pearson was gone.
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Speaker 2: So ambition, family, money, mystery, it's got everything pretty much.
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Speaker 1: Our mission today is to really unpack the fascinating, often contradictory,
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and ultimately tragic story of Jimmy Pearson. Will trace his rise,
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you know, from humble beginnings to this pawn shop.
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Speaker 2: Empire, a self made man.
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Speaker 1: Totally, then dive into the shocking circumstances of his murder,
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follow the investigation which went cross country, and then navigate
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that messy legal fight over his legacy.
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Speaker 2: Sounds like a lot to cover, it is, But our.
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Speaker 1: Goal is to pull out the key nuggets of knowledge
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from our sources, give you that shortcut to being really
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well informed on this. This captivating, an honestly deeply human tragedy.
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Expect some surprises, a look into vulnerability even with success,
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and you know the broad implications.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's striking here is how quickly that glossy surface
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of success can just vanish, right, exposing all the complexities
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of the vulnerabilities. Underneath are insights for this deep dive.
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They're drawn from some pretty compelling articles. There's orgon pawnbroker
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fatally shot and robbed at his riverfront mansion from Oxygen Okay.
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Then daughters of pawnbroker murdered by prostitute win legal battle
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from Daily Mail Online gives you a hint of the
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drama there, oh yeah, and murdered organ pawnbroker cut kids
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out of will from the Daily Chronicle. Together they paint
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this vivid, maybe unsettling picture of a guy who lived large,
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played by his own rules, but met this really stark,
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violent end.
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Speaker 1: It forces you to ask, you know, what really happened
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behind those gates, and what does it tell us about ambition, loneliness,
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the need for connection.
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Speaker 2: Those are the big questions.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So let's start by unpacking the man himself, Jimmy Pearson.
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He was in many ways that classic American entrepreneur. Self
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made the dream, yeah, but his journey definitely complex, lots
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of contradictions. Born and raised in Oregon, parents divorce when
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he was a kid. Friends think maybe that gave him
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this fierce Independence's drive for financial security.
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Speaker 2: Could be Early challenges often shape people that way for sure.
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Speaker 1: In his twenties, he dives into commerce, starts this trading
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post company. It's a little venture at first, but it
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was the spark, the beginning of what became his multimillion
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dollar pon empire.
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Speaker 2: And what an empire it became. That small trading post
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it grew into a one Hawk, not just one shop,
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but a successful chain, multiple locations all around Portland. Do
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people do the name, Oh absolutely, if you live there.
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A one Hawk was an institution. His model was smart,
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super diverse inventory like you walk in it's an Aladdin's cave,
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fine jewelry, diamonds, watches, but also the latest electronics, tools, collectibles.
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Speaker 1: I've had to everything totally.
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Speaker 2: He had this knack for value, market trends, catering to
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everyone from folks needing quick cash at bargain hunters. Made
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a one Hawk a real community staple and a financial powerhouse.
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Speaker 1: And his lifestyle it screamed I made it. He lived large,
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wasn't afraid to show.
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Speaker 2: It up, flaunted it a bit.
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Speaker 1: You could say that. We're talking a huge riverfront mansion
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in Milwaukee valued at what two million dollars?
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Speaker 2: Wow?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, five bedrooms, eight bathrooms, a spa, a home, theater,
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designed for indulgence. Every detail just reflected this guy enjoying
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the fruits of his labor.
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Speaker 2: Sounds pretty amazing. And those who knew him, friends, family,
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they described him as generous, gregarious, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Larger than life, loved life's pleasures, trips to Vegas, jet
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skiing on the river, always socializing. Someone said he always
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had extra lime in his drinks.
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Speaker 2: Just paints a picture, right, definitely a vibrant guy.
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Speaker 1: But crucially, beneath that flashy exterior there was this affectionate side.
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He apparently doted on his four grandkids, always talking about them,
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showering them with gifts, showed he cherished those family ties
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despite everything else.
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Speaker 2: That's important has another dimension.
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Speaker 1: It really does. It makes the contrast sharper because despite
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that vibrant party guy image, people close to him since
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this deep, almost aching loneliness in his final months.
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Speaker 2: Ah. There it is the classic paradox exactly.
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Speaker 1: And this is so key for you to think about.
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Huge success and empire doesn't always mean fulfillment, doesn't protect
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you from vulnerability. In fact, for Pearson, maybe it made
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it worse, made him a target, isolated him.
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Speaker 2: It's a common theme isn't it wealth creating barriers instead
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of bridges?
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Speaker 1: So what do you think what specific pressures may be
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unique to his wealth could have made him feel more isolated?
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question. Sources suggest his wealth let
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him build a lifestyle that, yeah, looked great, but might
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have pushed people away. His ability to just buy things, trips, possessions,
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even you know, certain kinds of companionship it to actional
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stuff exactly, It might have kept him from forming those
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deeper reciprocal relationships built on shared experience, genuine emotion, not
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just trying to actions. People might have been drawn to
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the money, the lifestyle, not the man himself.
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Speaker 1: Leaving him feeling fundamentally alone, even in.
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Speaker 2: A crowd precisely, and that could make him less careful
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about who he let in, especially later on, tragically making
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him an easier mark for someone with bad intentions.
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Speaker 1: That vulnerability, that potential isolation, Despite the success, it just
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feels like this deep thread running through his whole story.
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But let's rewind a bit. There were some early legal
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troubles that kind of ironically set up this really pivotal
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connection later. Okay, what happened early nineties, long before weed
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was legal, in Oregon. Pierson got prosecuted for selling marijuana.
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Speaker 2: Ah different times, harsher penalties.
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Speaker 1: Totally and the guy who prosecuted him, a federal prosecutor
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named Jonathan Hobb. Pierson got convicted, served nearly four years
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in prison.
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Speaker 2: Four years that's significant, and.
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Speaker 1: He had to forfeit assets too, A big financial hit
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for a guy driven by wealth. That must have stunn.
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He had to re build part of his empire after getting.
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Speaker 2: Out, major setback for sure, must have been bitter.
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Speaker 1: So here's the twist. The real kicker, Jonathan Hobb, the
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exact same prosecutor who put Pearson behind bars. No way, Yeah,
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later somehow became his friend, even an informal legal advisor.
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Speaker 2: Seriously, prosecutor to friend and advisor. How does that even happen?
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Speaker 1: Truth is stranger than fiction. Right makes you wonder.
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Speaker 2: About people, It really does. The sources say Hobb left
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the prosecutor's office and their paths crossed again later. Maybe Pearson,
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always the pragmatist, saw Hobb's sharp legal mind and thought, hey,
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better to have him on my side.
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Speaker 1: Could be holding grudges wasn't his style?
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Speaker 2: Maybe this connection, though, it's not just a weird anecdote,
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it becomes crucial, controversial even in the fight over Pearson's
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estate after he died, shows how past enemies can become well.
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Something else entirely figures in this complex layered story adds
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this almost Shakespearean irony, and.
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Speaker 1: That intrigue just deepens takes a much darker turn when
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we get to the crime itself.
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Speaker 2: March third, twenty twenty one, the piece of that fancy
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Milwaukee mansion utterly shattered?
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Speaker 1: How was he found?
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Speaker 2: It started with a worried employee couldn't reach Pearson for days,
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which was really unusual for him. The guy was organized,
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so the employee got concerned went to check on him. Okay,
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makes sense, And what they found was just chilling. Pearson's
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body in his bedroom, naked, already decomposing.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, decomposing, So he'd been dead for a while. Yeah.
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The smell apparently was overwhelming, a grim sign he'd been
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dead several days late February maybe early March. Detective Esteban
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Gayten from the Clacamus County Sheriff's Office was one of
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the first on scene confronted with this tragic, perplexing, really
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disturbing scene.
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Speaker 2: The decomposition would make things harder too write pinpointing time of.
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Speaker 1: Death absolutely immediate challenge for forensics, and the details they
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found of the scene just intensified the mystery pointed towards
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something calculated, like the bullet wound exactly, single fatal shot
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point three to eight caliber direct lead to the back
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of his head, not a struggle, not random violence. That
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placement just screams deliberate execution style.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, precise from behind strongly suggests intent, not some frantic fight.
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What else?
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Speaker 1: The mansion usually pristine, reflecting Pearson's careful nature, It was ransacked, Drawers, open, closets, disturbed.
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Bins of what turned out to be costume jewelry were missing.
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Speaker 2: Costume jewelry, not the high value stuff. That's specific right.
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Speaker 1: Became important later Maybe signals a certain type of thief
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or motive, and crucially, no murder weapon.
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Speaker 2: Found took it with them.
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Speaker 1: Calculated definitely strengthens the premeditated theory. Investigators quickly classified it
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murder and robbery. So for you listening, yeah, money seems
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like an obvious motive, but that specific wound the costume
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jewelry makes you wonder if there were other layers, right, personal.
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Speaker 2: Stuff that's the big question, pure robbery or something more.
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Speaker 1: A mix, and the investigation zeroed in fast on a
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crucial digital footprint, Pearson's own phone detect his gout access
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and also to his ring camera app see who came
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and went?
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Speaker 2: Our digital lives again leaving clues.
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Speaker 1: Totally and the most critical clue his very last text message,
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sent to a contact listed as Paris Royal Natasha Okay
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immediately suggested he'd arranged a meeting, a date, maybe an
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encounter right before he died. The message itself wasn't sinister,
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but it was like a beacon pointing to his last visitor.
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Speaker 2: And suddenly, Paris Royal Natasha is person number one.
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Speaker 1: Just like that, that one text became the corner stone,
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pointed straight to a woman named Nastasha rose Tate. It's
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just a chilling reminder, isn't it. Our private messages can
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become vital evidence. The digital trail is often more permanent
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than we think. Scary really, so with Nastasha rose Tate identified,
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the investigation goes into overdrive. Clachamus County Sheriff's Office detectives
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like Michael Zacher Esteban Gaytan they launched this relentless cross
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state hunt for Paris Royal Natasha.
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Speaker 2: High profile case, huge pressure.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, they quickly profiled Tate twenty four years old, history
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of legal trouble which adds complexity, doesn't look good, and
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that context of Pearson's last text, possibly setting up a
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date with an escort, It sadly lined up with what
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his daughters had said. Their disapproval of the women in.
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Speaker 2: His life reinforces that idea of loneliness vulnerability, making him
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a target.
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Speaker 1: Tragic and Tate knew they were looking. She fled Oregon,
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went through North Carolina trying to Disappear's date on her relentlessly.
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Finally caught her near Campa Bay, Florida, April twelfth of
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twenty twenty one. Took us Marshall's local cops working together
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shows what resources they.
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Speaker 2: Poured into this good coordination. So they get her. What's
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her story?
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Speaker 1: Well, once caught, she gives her version, and it immediately
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clashes with the evidence. She claims she was giving Pearson
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a massage, pulls a gun from her bag.
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Speaker 2: Why pull a gun during a massage?
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Speaker 1: Exactly? She doesn't really explain that part, but she claims
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the shooting was accidental, says Pearson moved unexpectedly, gun.
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Speaker 2: Went off accidental to the back of the head. That
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sounds unlikely, that's the prosecution thought.
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Speaker 1: DEPUTYDA Brian Brock totally dismissed it, said flat out the
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motive was simple money and greed.
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Speaker 2: Period, and evidence backed him up.
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Speaker 1: Overwhelmingly, that precise shot back of the head. Forensics argued
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it wasn't a chaotic accident during a massage. It's screamed
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intent control. Plus the ransacked house, the skull and items
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including that specific costume, jewelry, it all pointed to robbery
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as the premeditated motive. For you listening, that contrast between
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her story and the cold hard facts is crucial shows
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the calculated nature of it. Forensic details don't.
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Speaker 2: Lie, speaks volumes.
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Speaker 1: Now, while all this is happening, the hunter for Tate,
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the investigation, there's this whole other drama unfolding, deeply personal
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exposed the huge cracks in Jimmy Pearson's family life.
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Speaker 2: The daughters Tanya and Sarah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, their relationship with him was notoriously strained, tumultuous, made
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worse by their disapproval of his lifestyle, especially the women
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he was seeing. They worried about his judgment.
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Speaker 2: Classic family tension amplified by wealth.
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Speaker 1: Maybe seems like it, and it got sharper. Public records
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show that in early twenty twenty, the daughters did something significant.
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They opened their own pawn shop.
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Speaker 2: Whoa direct competition.
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Speaker 1: Widely seen that way, probably deep in the rift, Yeah,
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creating this sense of rivalry, maybe betrayal within the family
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business itself. You know how those things confess to her.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, family business dynamics can be explosive.
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Speaker 1: And what happened next was just shocking, huge implications. Just
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five months after they open their shop, Jimmy Pearson drafts
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a new will, makes a staggering decision because Tanya and
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Sarah completely out of his entire ten million dollar.
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Speaker 2: Estate ten million dollars, disinherits his own kids. Wow, that
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sounds a.
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Speaker 1: Message, a massive one, send shockwaves. And bad decision didn't
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just change his financial legacy, it ignited a whole separate,
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very public, very bitter legal battle that ran alongside the
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murder investigation.
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Speaker 2: So who did he leave the money to?
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Speaker 1: Two lawyers Ken Bauman and get this, Jonathan help.
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Speaker 2: Hobb, the prosecutor who jailed him decades ago.
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Speaker 1: Very same one that choice, especially Hobb just threw gasoline
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on the fire. Fueled the controversy, added another layer of suspicion.
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Speaker 2: To everything unbelievable. So you've got the criminal case against
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Tate and this massive, messy estate fight happening at the
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same time.
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Speaker 1: Exactly Pearson's revised will drafted just eight months before he died.
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Because the absolute focal point of this huge dispute scrutinized
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by everyone and.
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Speaker 2: The daughters Tanya and Sarah, they challenged it immediately.
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Speaker 1: Wasted no time. Their main argument, Dad wasn't of sound
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mind when he changed it, not in his.
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Speaker 2: Right mind, claiming diminished capacity.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they brought evidence claimed he'd been acting erradically since
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twenty eighteen, severe sleep deprivation, weird behavior, said he was
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vulnerable to manipulation.
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Speaker 2: That raises those big legal questions, right, mental capacity, undue
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influence hard to.
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Speaker 1: Prove, though very undue influence. Proving someone's free will was
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overcome by pressure. Yeah, it's tough, but it shows how suspicious.
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Speaker 2: The daughters were and the beneficiary's Bauman and Hobb. They
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weren't strangers, not at all.
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Speaker 1: Ken Bauman, former FBI agent, federal prosecutor, himself had been
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working with Pearson recently legal stuff, business stuff, okay, and
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then Hobb the prosecutor turned friend turned advisor. His presence
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just fueled the daughter's claims of manipulation.
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Speaker 2: Hobbes showing up there is just wild one of the
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most compelling ironic twists. So Balman and Hobb they denied every.
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Speaker 1: Nhemently denied any undue influence, insisted they were just honoring
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Pearson's clear wishes, said he was sound of mind, knew
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exactly what he was doing, had his reasons. Portrayed themselves
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as just carrying out a friend's final request.
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Speaker 2: Not manipulator executors.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: Ultimately, this super emotional public legal fight, it got resolved
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in October twenty twenty one, not in court but through
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a settlement.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So they reached a deal. What were the terms.
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Speaker 2: Well, it brought legal closure, but it was kind of bittersweet.
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Tanya and Sarah got the two A one Hawk pawn shops.
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Speaker 1: So they got the business legacy. Yeah, allowed them to
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continue his legacy, but under this cloud. Right, But here's
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what's really crucial, showing Pearson's priorities even amid the conflict.
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The bulk of the ten million dollars state went into
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a trust for his four grand kids.
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Speaker 2: Ah, so he looked after the grandkids despite the issues
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with his daughters.
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Speaker 1: Strongly indicates his intentions there making sure the next generation benefited.
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Bauman and Hobb they each got seventy five thousand dollars
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in the settlement.
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Speaker 2: A fraction really yeah.
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Speaker 1: They publicly downplayed any conflict, kept saying Pearson's main concern
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was his grandkid's future.
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Speaker 2: But did it heal anything? Emotionally?
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Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like it. The emotional scars ran deep. Sarah
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Pearson posted on Facebook just raw frustration, called it unfair,
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wrong on so many levels. Shows you the immense personal toll.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, money settlements rarely fix. Her reaction really humanizes. It
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shows the pain behind the legal fight. Legal closure, yes,
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emotional closure probably not. The tragedy remained.
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Speaker 1: So with the estate battle settled, let's swing back to
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the criminal case. Justice for the murder. December twenty twenty one,
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Nastasha Tate finally pleads guilty second degree murder, first degree robbery.
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Speaker 2: A major turning point justice for the family.
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Speaker 1: A big step. As part of the plea deal, she
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gave that statement her version of events, but her claim
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of an accidental shooting still met with huge skepticism by
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the prosecution. The evidence just didn't fit right.
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Speaker 2: The back of the headshot hard to explain. Away is
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accidental exactly?
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Speaker 1: And this sentence reflected the crime's gravity. Life in prison,
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possibility of parole, but only after twenty five years.
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Speaker 2: A long time sends a message.
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Speaker 1: Deputy DA Brian Brock was firm kept emphasizing the premeditated nature,
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pointing to the stolen items. The costume jewelry is showing
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intent to rob and that deliberate shot to the back
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of the head proof it wasn't an accident.
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Speaker 2: Reinforcing the robbery motive makes sense. How did the family
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feel about the plea deal?
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Speaker 1: For them, it was less about the exact sentence, more
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about hoping for answers from tape statement, trying to understand
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his final moments, seeking some kind of closure.
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Speaker 2: However, limited understandable plosure is often elusive in these cases.
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Speaker 1: So Tate's conviction brought a formal end to the criminal chapter,
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but it left these big lingering questions about Pearson's vulnerability.
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Brings us back to that central theme.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the story deepens here beyond the crime facts into
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the human condition. Friends like Jonathan Hobby even describe Pearson
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as fundamentally a lonely man.
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Speaker 1: Despite the success the parties, the money.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, that core isolation seems to have persisted, and that loneliness,
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combined with his wealth tragically might have made him an
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easy attractive target. That desire for connection can cloud judgment
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lead people into risky situations. We see that pattern here.
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Speaker 1: That specific text to Paris role and Natasha to set
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up a date. It hints at that transactional relationship thing again,
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seeking connection through maybe risky ways, but we don't really
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know the full extent of their interactions before night right now,
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now that.
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Speaker 2: Part remains murky unknown. But what's really clear here, and
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it's a critical cautionary tale for you listening, This case
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starkly highlights the danger's faced by wealthy individuals, especially if
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they're isolated or seeking connection through potentially unsafe avenues.
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Speaker 1: Wealth doesn't equal in vulnerability, not at all.
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Speaker 2: In fact, sometimes it attracts predators, making those who have it,
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especially if they're lonely, even more susceptible to exploitation and
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grave danger.
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Speaker 1: It's chilling, and Pearson's murder while so personal really does
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shine a light on broader issues too, like the vulnerability
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of cash heavy businesses like as pawn shops.
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Speaker 2: That's a critical point often missed in the sensationalism. Pawn
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shops like say legal cannabis dispensaries, now they deal in
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a lot of cash daily, plus they store high value goods, jewelry, electronics.
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That combination makes them prime targets for rubbers.
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Speaker 1: Inherently whiskey totally.
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Speaker 2: The business model itself creates this constant elevated risk, needs
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huge vigilance.
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Speaker 1: We see this pattern elsewhere right. Portland police data showed
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a spike in robberies at cannabis businesses in twenty twenty three.
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Pawnshops face similar risks. Criminals see them as potentially easier,
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definitely lucrative targets.
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Speaker 2: There was that other incident too, remember East Oakland September
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twenty twenty five, pawnshop owner in a deadly gunfight with robbers.
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It's not isolated, underscores the life threatening vulnerability in that industry.
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Speaker 1: So for you listening Pearson's case, yeah, it's personal, but
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it's also a reminder of the risks for business owners
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dealing in cash and valuables, security, surveillance, employee safety, huge
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operational challenges.
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Speaker 2: Way beyond normal retail, but.
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Speaker 1: Beyond business, this case digs into personal relationships societal stigma too.
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The daughter's disapproval of his lifestyle, the women he saw
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points to something broader.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's thought provoking how societal judgments, stigma around certain
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relationships can isolate people, push them into vulnerable spots. The
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stigma around transactional relationships. The danger is when someone's already
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vulnerable seeking connection. It's a thread in Pearson's story.
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Speaker 1: Not excusing crime, obviously, no.
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Speaker 2: Not at all, but understanding the wider sociological context why
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someone might end up in that situation.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Tate's actions were criminal, heinous, she was convicted, but
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the circumstances that brought her into Pearson's life, his loneliness,
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his wealth, his search for connection outside the norm. It
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highlights these really intricate complexities human desire, vulnerability forces you to.
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Speaker 2: Look deeper, right, It gives you that richer sociological angle
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beyond just the crime facts, makes you look at the
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interception of needs, wealth, societal pressure, exploitation when basic human
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needs aren't met or sought in risky ways. It's multi layered,
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more than just greed, speaks to deeper human currents.
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Speaker 1: Even with all the tragedy, Pearson's impact, his legacy it persists.
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The Milwaukee community was shaken. He was well known, successful, charismatic.
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His loss was felt.
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Speaker 2: And remarkably a one hawk. His business empire, that Portland fixture,
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it continued despite the conflict the tragedy, Tanya and Sarah
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took over, so in.
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Speaker 1: A complex twist, they ended up preserving his business legacy.
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His life's work lived on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Pearson himself. People remembered him generous, driven, larger
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than life, a force of nature by all accounts he
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really was. And connecting back to his personal life, his
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love for his grandkids clearly a huge motivator in his
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estate planning. That trust he set up ensures his wealth
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benefits future generations. It's a bittersweet note, isn't it. Life
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cuts short violently, but his care for his grandkids persisted,
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left a legacy of support despite the turmoil.
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Speaker 1: This whole saga start to finish. It also offers some
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really stark practical lessons, especially about a state planning family dynamics.
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Pearson disinheriting his daughter's whether from anger, betrayal, whatever. It
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just screams how critical, clear communication and solid planning are
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in a state matters.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely critical, Vague intentions, old grievances, bad paperwork. It leads
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to exactly this family strife, legal battles, emotional wounds that
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last for years, generations.
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Speaker 1: Even and the lawyers Bauman and Hobb being beneficiaries became
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a flashpoint. Highlights the complexities of legal relationships and high
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stake situations, the potential for misunderstanding, accusations, mistrust when big
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money and family legacies are involved.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a stark reminder that even professional relationships need extreme
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transparency and foresight when the stakes are this high.
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Speaker 1: So, as we wrap up the murder of Jimmy Pearson,
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it's just this tragic, incredibly complex tale we used together wealth, loneliness, betrayal.
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We've journeyed from his success, his lifestyle, to the calculated crime,
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the gripping investigation, the messi legal fights.
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Speaker 2: Tate's conviction brought formal justice, sure, but as we've explored,
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it leaves us with these deeper, unsettling questions about human nature.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this deep dive. Hopefully you felt it was more
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than just a crime story. It was a reflection on
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personal vulnerabilities that come with success, the strife that can
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tear families apart, the risks in certain industries. Pearson's legacy
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lives on through the business the Grandkids Trust, a bittersweet
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reminder of a vibrant life cut short.
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Speaker 2: But a life that definitely left its mark for sure, and.
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Speaker 1: That leaves us with a final thought for you to
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ponder considering these threats. Success isolation. How we seek connection.
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What might we be overlooking in our own lives or
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the lives of people around us, Those quiet things that
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could lead to unforeseen vulnerabilities.
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Speaker 2: It's a question that encourages looking closer, listening.
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Speaker 1: Deeper, maybe understanding the world and ourselves just a little
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bit better. Thanks for diving deep with us.