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The Kenny Report | 28 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into another week on the Kenny Report. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for joining me tonight. The coalition shift towards scrapping the
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  Speaker 2: net zero by twenty fifty target strengthens. Nationals leader David
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  Speaker 2: Little Proud will join me. Wild allegations against Israel, including
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  Speaker 2: from former Labor Foreign Minister Bob Carr, will sort the
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  Speaker 2: Hummas propaganda from the facts. In question Time, Anthony Albanezi
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  Speaker 2: again refuses to rule.
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  Speaker 3: Out new or higher taxes.
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  Speaker 2: Female teachers encountering horrible abuse in the classroom. What a
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  Speaker 2: terrible sign of the times this is. And I'll cross
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  Speaker 2: to Sophie Ellsworth in the UK as Trump takes Scotland
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  Speaker 2: by storm. Also Jemmy toon Uni and Anika de Giorgio.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it. The net zero debate is finally
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  Speaker 2: getting real, with two former Nationals leaders Barnaby Joyce and
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  Speaker 2: Michael McCormack and paigning to have the commitment dropped. The
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  Speaker 2: current leader, David littl Prowd says that could be the
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  Speaker 2: outcome of the party's review. Meanwhile, the Liberals are reviewing
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  Speaker 2: their policy and Pauline Hanson's one nation are putting a
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  Speaker 2: motion into the Senate to scrap the target. As I
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  Speaker 2: explained last week, this is the collision of reality with
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  Speaker 2: political ideology and virtue signaling.
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  Speaker 3: Because the world is not heading to net zero.
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  Speaker 2: Global emissions are still increasing dramatically. The world's largest emitters
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  Speaker 2: and our largest trading partners are not shooting for net
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  Speaker 2: zero by twenty fifty. The US has dropped out of
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  Speaker 2: the Paris Agreement, China has made a promise for twenty sixty,
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  Speaker 2: but is still building coal and increasing emissions. So there's
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  Speaker 2: no sense in Australia hurting itself for nothing. Our power
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  Speaker 2: prices continue to rise for nothing. We've heard our industry,
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  Speaker 2: we've heard our businesses and our household odds, or for nothing.
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  Speaker 3: We need someone to stand up for common sense.
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  Speaker 4: This is not about leadership. This is not about trying
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  Speaker 4: to create some sort of discordant note. This is actually
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  Speaker 4: not about having an attack on the Labor Party. This
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  Speaker 4: is about a great threat to our nation and one
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  Speaker 4: of the most divisive issues in regional Australia and one
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  Speaker 4: of the most crushing issues for pensioners and for small
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  Speaker 4: business that our nation has ever participated in, which is
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  Speaker 4: net zero.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, forget trying to play politics. That's what's got the
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  Speaker 2: country into this mess. It's time to stand up for
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  Speaker 2: Australians and deliver an economy that works. And the secret
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  Speaker 2: to every modern economy, the secret to the prosperity of
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  Speaker 2: all developed nations, is reliable, affordable power.
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  Speaker 1: Net zero is not working. We were promised three years
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  Speaker 1: ago that net zero would deliver cheaper energy. Instead, electricity
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  Speaker 1: prices are up thirty percent, gas prices are up forty percent.
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  Speaker 1: We were promised when we signed up to net zero
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  Speaker 1: that we'd have heaps of more jobs, including in the
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  Speaker 1: hydrogen industry. We'd be a green energy superpower. What we've
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  Speaker 1: seen over the last few weeks that almost all of
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  Speaker 1: those hydrogen dreams have turned into nightmares, just adding debt
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  Speaker 1: onto our public purse without producing anything at tangible whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: We will also promise that the rest of the world
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  Speaker 1: will be acting with us, and that if we didn't
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  Speaker 1: sign up to net zero, we'd be locked out of
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  Speaker 1: capital and trade markets. Again, that has not happened. The
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  Speaker 1: US has pulled out.
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  Speaker 2: Apart from everything else, all the economic damage, all the
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  Speaker 2: environmental damage from the renewables roll out, all the political
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  Speaker 2: debate and drama. The bottom line is that net zero
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  Speaker 2: cannot be delivered. No developed country has been able to
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  Speaker 2: achieve it, none are on track to achieve it.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, it can't be done unless we.
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  Speaker 2: Invent new technologies. That's what the experts say. But Labor,
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  Speaker 2: the Greens and the Teals dream on with our money,
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  Speaker 2: toying with our futures to deliver a national goal that
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  Speaker 2: cannot and will not be met, and which would have
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  Speaker 2: no effect on the climate even if it was met,
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  Speaker 2: because global emissions continued to rise with no sign of
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  Speaker 2: any change. And the man responsible for these policies, the
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  Speaker 2: man who was supposed to cut your power bills by
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  Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy five dollars a year but saw
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  Speaker 2: them increase instead by at least three times that amount. Well,
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  Speaker 2: he's very smug, and he seems to think the economic
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  Speaker 2: harm he is inflicting on the country is just a
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  Speaker 2: little bit funny.
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  Speaker 5: This is a reminder when you had those reviews underway,
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  Speaker 5: Appointing Senator Canavan to review net zero is a bit
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  Speaker 5: like putting Coldplay in charge of Kiss Camp.
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  Speaker 6: It doesn't necessarily lead to a happy marriage.
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  Speaker 3: Hilarious, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: This bloke is promising to keep going with his expensive
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  Speaker 2: and failing policies using your money because he thinks he's
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  Speaker 2: going to save the world. Seriously, and while all this
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  Speaker 2: goes on, the government's financial management is such a mess
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  Speaker 2: that the Prime Minister couldn't even rule out new taxes
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  Speaker 2: or higher taxes today.
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  Speaker 7: Will the Prime Minister now rule out raising taxes on
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  Speaker 7: hardworking Australians.
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  Speaker 8: We've just been through an election with two alternative propositions, So.
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  Speaker 7: As a direct question, will the Prime Minister raising taxes
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  Speaker 7: on hard working Australians?
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  Speaker 9: Will you, Prime Minister, let's debt and lower taxes on
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  Speaker 9: this side of the house.
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  Speaker 5: More debt and higher taxes on that side of the house.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, look out, more taxes are heading our way. The
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  Speaker 2: single best thing the government could do for our our
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  Speaker 2: economy and its budget would be to stop the net
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  Speaker 2: zero chaos. We need to reclaim one of our great
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  Speaker 2: economic advantages in this country, plentiful, reliable, affordable energy. Someone
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  Speaker 2: has to call out the virtue signaling climate and energy madness.
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  Speaker 2: I'll speak with Nationals leader David little Proud later in
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  Speaker 2: the program. The Middle East debate and the demonization of
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  Speaker 2: Israel is sinking to new depths. Listen to this from
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  Speaker 2: a former Australian Foreign minister.
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  Speaker 8: No less, this is the first time in the eyes
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  Speaker 8: of the world that a modern country has used mass
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  Speaker 8: starvation against the civilian population as a weapon of war. Terrible,
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  Speaker 8: terrible PTOs of babies with their vertebrae showing through their
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  Speaker 8: star of skin, their internal organs, according to the pediatricians collapsing,
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  Speaker 8: they will bear the marks of this starvation all their lives, suffering,
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  Speaker 8: stunting of a fordeen year old youngster on a palet,
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  Speaker 8: wounded after being shot by these heroes of the IDEs
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  Speaker 8: because he presented at a food distribution center seeking food
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  Speaker 8: for his family at the wrong time and was shot.
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  Speaker 2: Look, this stuff is just sickening. We all know the
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  Speaker 2: situation in Gaza is horrendous, but allegations that Israel is
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  Speaker 2: starving people or deliberately killing civilians are just disgusting. They
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  Speaker 2: are not based in fact. They are merely the repetition
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  Speaker 2: of Hummas propaganda. And just because this sort of propaganda
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  Speaker 2: is amplified by the United Nations, by the BBC, the
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  Speaker 2: Guardian and the ABC doesn't make it true and it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't make it worthy of promulgation by the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 3: People need to deal in facts.
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  Speaker 2: The only reason anyone in Garza that has any food
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  Speaker 2: at any time over the past twenty one months is
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  Speaker 2: because Israel.
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  Speaker 3: Has allowed AID in and delivied aid itself, all of it.
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  Speaker 2: No one else is looking after Gaza, not Egypt, not Jordan,
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  Speaker 2: not Saudi Arabia. It's only because Israel is sending food, water,
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  Speaker 2: and electricity into Gaza that anyone is alive there. Left
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  Speaker 2: to hum Us, they would all be finished. So Israel
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  Speaker 2: has to keep Palestinians alive while it fights their terrorist
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  Speaker 2: leaders and soldiers. Israeli forces issue warnings about where they
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  Speaker 2: will attack, and they provide safe passage to civilians. Has
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  Speaker 2: a nation trying to defend itself ever done more to
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  Speaker 2: minimize civilian casualties, even though it makes it harder to
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  Speaker 2: get the Hummus terrorists that they're after.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, not no one's done it like this before.
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  Speaker 2: No one's tried harder to get civilians out of the
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  Speaker 2: way before they launched these attacks. Yet car Li likens
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  Speaker 2: Israel to the Nazis and other monstrous regimes.
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  Speaker 8: There's a pattern of behavior here that really demands comparison
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  Speaker 8: with the worst of the last hundred years of Stalin's Ukraine,
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  Speaker 8: the Warsaw ghetto of males greatly forward families who have
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  Speaker 8: now gone for five days without a crumb of food.
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  Speaker 8: And the point is, but the IDF controls all the leavers,
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  Speaker 8: it controls food access, and it's opted to use its power,
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  Speaker 8: even on occasions, to shoot the people who are distributing
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  Speaker 8: the food.
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  Speaker 3: This is just vile.
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  Speaker 2: We know Hummas has shot people attending aid centers run
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  Speaker 2: by Israel and the US. We know Hummas has killed
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  Speaker 2: AID workers. But car accuses Israel of these crimes anti
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  Speaker 2: Israeli ideology, turning facts and reason on their heads. Why
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  Speaker 2: would Israel shoot at the very same people it is
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  Speaker 2: delivering aid to humas wants those aid deliveries to fail
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  Speaker 2: so it can reclaim all aid deliveries from the United Nations,
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  Speaker 2: so it can profit from them and use control of
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  Speaker 2: the AID to control its people. This much we know,
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  Speaker 2: Yet Carr Anthony Albanizi, most of the media and the
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  Speaker 2: broader left in politics, they will go with illogical claims
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  Speaker 2: because they suit their anti Israel and anti US agenda.
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  Speaker 2: The misinformation being thrown around is just terrible. Just take
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  Speaker 2: this one small example of late. It's a harrowing picture
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  Speaker 2: of a sick child in Gaza, used around the world
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  Speaker 2: to prove claims of starvation, shown right around the world,
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  Speaker 2: Yet reports reveal a different truth. The child, Mohammad Almatuk,
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  Speaker 2: is indeed suffering terribly. He has cerebral palsy and other conditions,
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  Speaker 2: and of course he needs proper care, not war. But
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  Speaker 2: reports from the New York Post and others refer to
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  Speaker 2: a wider photo where we see Muhammad's older brother Jude,
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  Speaker 2: in much better shape than obviously not starving. So while
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  Speaker 2: we rightly feel great pity for these children stuck in
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  Speaker 2: a war zone, starvation is not the issue. I've shown
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  Speaker 2: you lie after lie, promulgated by the media and politicians,
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  Speaker 2: and they shouldn't perpetuate these falsehoods. The situation is bad
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  Speaker 2: enough without exaggeration and lies. We need the war to end,
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  Speaker 2: but we need to deal in reality. Israel handed Gaza
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  Speaker 2: over to the Palestinians twenty years ago, forced all Israelis
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  Speaker 2: out and gave the Ghazans or Tom Tragically, the Palestinians
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  Speaker 2: chose Hummus, and Hummas used tens of billions of dollars
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  Speaker 2: in AID, not to improve their lives and deliver peace
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  Speaker 2: and prosperity, but to dig tunnels and assemble an armory
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  Speaker 2: to launch this war. Hummas has deliberately used the Palestinian
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  Speaker 2: people as human shields, cannon fodder, and propaganda tools in
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  Speaker 2: its Islamist extremist campaign against Israel.
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  Speaker 3: So who started this war?
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  Speaker 2: Hummus who did so by deliberately targeting civilians in the
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  Speaker 2: most callous and barbarous way. Hummus who perpetuates the war
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  Speaker 2: now with weapons and attacks on Israeli forces. Hummus who
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  Speaker 2: committed the war crime of taking hostages, raping hostages, and
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  Speaker 2: killing hostages. Hummus who continues these war crimes daily and
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  Speaker 2: prolongs the war by holding the hostages. Hummus who took
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  Speaker 2: Israeli bodies and keeps Israeli bodies as bargaining chips for
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  Speaker 2: the release of its own terrorists.
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  Speaker 3: Humus again, who attacked AID centers.
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  Speaker 2: Is opposed to Israeli and US AID deliveries and has
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  Speaker 2: profited from AID as a tool of control in Gaza.
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  Speaker 2: Hummus again, who has refused to sign up to the
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  Speaker 2: ceasefire on offer. Right now, it's been on the table
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  Speaker 2: for the past two weeks. Hummus, who is a terrorist
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  Speaker 2: organization committed to the genocide of another group of people
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  Speaker 2: in the Middle East, the Jews. That would be Hummas. Again,
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  Speaker 2: why are Gazans not protesting in the streets demanding the
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  Speaker 2: release of the hostages to deliver an end to the
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  Speaker 2: war where there can only be two things stopping them.
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  Speaker 2: They either support Hummas or they fear humm Us. So
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  Speaker 2: who is deliberately extending the trauma and tragedy in Gaza
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  Speaker 2: right now?
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  Speaker 3: Humm Us. Yet people like Bobka blame Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine if all the international pressure from people like car
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  Speaker 2: and everybody else was on Hummus to release hostages and
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  Speaker 2: lay down their weapons. Imagine the difference that would make. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: as long as Hummus propaganda is repeated in the West,
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  Speaker 2: putting all the pressure on Israel, demonizing Israel, while that
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  Speaker 2: gives Hummas every incentive to extend the bloodshed and increase
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  Speaker 2: the trauma for everyone.
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  Speaker 3: Living the daily misery of Gaza.
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  Speaker 2: Talk of a Palestinian state is ludicrous, It is delusional.
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  Speaker 2: As has been clear for twenty one months now, nothing
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  Speaker 2: can get better for the Palestinian people until Hummus is
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  Speaker 2: defeat the useful fools in the West, only delay that day.
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  Speaker 2: Now I've got to mention my mum's starring performance on
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  Speaker 2: Paul Murray Live last night. It was a wonderful our
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  Speaker 2: Town special from Mount Gambia on the Limestone Coast of
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  Speaker 2: South Australia, a beautiful part of this great country, very
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  Speaker 2: special to me. It's where my parents and other family
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  Speaker 2: members live. I knew Mum was going to be in
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  Speaker 2: the audience, but I had no idea Paul was going
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  Speaker 2: to talk to her. And it was a lovely chat
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  Speaker 2: capped off with a big hug.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Pauline, if I may, can I give you a cuddle.
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  Speaker 3: We get Mum's hugs on this show.
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  Speaker 6: We love you and thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for everything you don't for go Gambia course,
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  Speaker 3: thank you.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I get a Paul Murray hug just about every day,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't get enough with Mum. So that was
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  Speaker 2: great mate. Mum is a legend, and so are you,
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  Speaker 2: Paul Murray. But the best thing is that Mum, Pauline
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  Speaker 2: is her name. Well, her and a bunch of others
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  Speaker 2: in the Mount. We're desperate to raise the issue of
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  Speaker 2: radiotherapy in that part of the world, and Paul did
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  Speaker 2: that with federal Liberal MP for the area, Tony Passon. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this area of South Australia is the most populous part
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  Speaker 2: of the state outside the capital. It needs a radio
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  Speaker 2: therapy clinic. It is cruel to force people getting treatments
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  Speaker 2: for breast cancer or prostate cancer to leave home and
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  Speaker 2: family and leave their jobs for weeks at a time
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  Speaker 2: to get treatment hundreds of kilometers away in Adelaide, when
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  Speaker 2: it should be a daily half hour appointment in their
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  Speaker 2: own region so that their lives can go on with
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  Speaker 2: the support of their family and friends around them. This
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  Speaker 2: town needs this facility and it's long overdue. Despite political
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  Speaker 2: promises the state Labor Premier Peter Malanawskis and the federal
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  Speaker 2: Labor government Mark Butler, we're looking at you. These blokes
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  Speaker 2: need to stump up. Surely they wouldn't be ignoring this
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  Speaker 2: area just because there aren't too many labor voters down
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  Speaker 2: there Australians and they need proper medical facilities.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to correct.
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  Speaker 2: Canberra now and catch up with Zoey McKenzie. She's the
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  Speaker 2: Shadow Assistant Minister for Education. Joining us live from Parliament
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  Speaker 2: House to talk to you again, Zoe. Quite telling. I
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  Speaker 2: thought in question time today that again Anthony ol Bonezi
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  Speaker 2: will not rule out tax increases on new taxes as
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  Speaker 2: this so called economic reform roundtable nears.
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  Speaker 10: He has been dodging and weaving on that topic now
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  Speaker 10: for the last two days of sitting last week and
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  Speaker 10: then again today, refusing to rule out any further tax
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  Speaker 10: incursions on unrealized capital gains. It seems to me this
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  Speaker 10: productivity roundtable is frankly just a ruse for another excuse
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  Speaker 10: for lifting taxes. It seems to me the last roundtable
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  Speaker 10: we had was all about giving the union movement exactly
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  Speaker 10: what it wanted. This time it's about giving Jim Chalmers
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  Speaker 10: exactly what he wants in terms of lifted taxes, particularly
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  Speaker 10: on wealth that people have worked hard to set aside. Today,
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  Speaker 10: in my ninety second statement, I spoke about the impact
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  Speaker 10: of the superannuation tax on nineteen hundred people in my
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  Speaker 10: electric precisely because they've worked hard, set aside and don't
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  Speaker 10: want to rely on the state and their retirement. They've
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  Speaker 10: made provision for themselves and as a result they're going
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  Speaker 10: to get whacked.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a shocker.
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  Speaker 2: Now, another big issue of economic reform we do need
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  Speaker 2: is to sort out the energy mess.
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  Speaker 3: Your colleagues, your cousins.
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  Speaker 2: In the Nationals are pushing for Net zero to be scrapped.
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  Speaker 3: This is left the Liberals is in a bit of
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  Speaker 3: a bind.
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  Speaker 2: Here's your leader, Susan Lee on earlier with Andrew Clenell.
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  Speaker 7: I'm the leader and I'll make the call when the
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  Speaker 7: time comes. But what I said at the beginning of
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  Speaker 7: my leadership was I would consult, I would listen, and
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  Speaker 7: when it comes to policy, we would do this with
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  Speaker 7: everyone playing their part and having their say, a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of consulting, a lot of listening. Coalition doesn't really know
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  Speaker 2: where it is on this. It looks like the Nationals
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  Speaker 2: are going to go for getting rid of net zero
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  Speaker 2: by twenty fifty. Surely the Liberals will have to go
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  Speaker 2: with them.
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  Speaker 10: What's interesting, Chris, I'm quite enjoying this as a rigorous
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  Speaker 10: debate within our party. We didn't have as many rigorous
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  Speaker 10: debates on policy settings in the last term of parliament,
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  Speaker 10: so I'm actually really enjoying people reconnecting with their electorate
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  Speaker 10: and talking about this. One thing I've noticed in my
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  Speaker 10: electorate as well, as elsewhere, is that net zero has
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  Speaker 10: become code for Chris Bowen's plan on wind and solar
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  Speaker 10: only it's kind of lost its original meeting, which was
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  Speaker 10: about decarbonization of the global economy, and now it just
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  Speaker 10: means that version of renewables or bust. And what we
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  Speaker 10: know is they're not going to get to that version
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  Speaker 10: that amount of renewables that they've promised, which is eighty
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  Speaker 10: two percent, nor are they going to do it in
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  Speaker 10: an affordable way for the Australian people, and nor are
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  Speaker 10: they going to do it in a way that doesn't
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  Speaker 10: put industry at risk. So you've got a whole lot
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  Speaker 10: of how to put it, failing to achieve against the
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  Speaker 10: scorecard that the government set for itself that they need
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  Speaker 10: to be held to account for. And I think with
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  Speaker 10: people think that's zero, they think Chris Bowen's plan, and
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  Speaker 10: Chris Bowen's plan is bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a shocker, There's no doubt about that.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why it's a debate we need to have
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  Speaker 2: and let's.
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  Speaker 3: Hope we end up with a good policy in the end.
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  Speaker 3: I want to get back to.
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  Speaker 2: Your portfolio area in education, Susan Lee has said in
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  Speaker 2: the past that you'll wave through Labour's laws to reduce
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  Speaker 2: hex debts by twenty percent.
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  Speaker 3: But Sarah Henderson, the former Shadow Minister in.
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  Speaker 2: Education, says she's going to put up a members to
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  Speaker 2: try and make sure they're indexed forever, that they can't
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: ever be the interest rate on this deck can never
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: go above inflation.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Which of them is right? Which is the coalition going
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: to go with?
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: No?
• 20:43
  Speaker 10: To be fair to Sarah, this was a contemplation she
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: aired before the last election, so she's been consistent with
• 20:51
  Speaker 10: what she seid in the lead up to the last election.
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: We take the message from the electorate, which is that
• 20:57
  Speaker 10: many of those seats, if you look at the top
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: twenty seats by hex debt, I think we retain one
• 21:02
  Speaker 10: that Van Goldstein in Victoria. A lot of people were moved.
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: Young people were moved to vote on the basis of
• 21:09
  Speaker 10: that policy alone. But the thing is again that we're
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: being reminded of by that younger generation, particularly students, is
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: they're having just as much trouble paying rent up eighteen
• 21:18
  Speaker 10: percent since these guys were elected. Eggs thirty two percent,
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: milk ice cream fifteen to twenty percent, cereal twenty percent.
• 21:25
  Speaker 10: I don't know about you, Chris, but I lived on
• 21:27
  Speaker 10: Cereal when I was a student and that's up twenty
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: percent under these guys. So the costs keep rising in
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: everything else. This is a one off sugar hit, may
• 21:34
  Speaker 10: I say, disproportionately funded by people in Maya electorate who
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: don't have university qualifications on the whole and don't have
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: student debt in the same numbers as seen elsewhere. But nevertheless,
• 21:45
  Speaker 10: this government is doing nothing to tackle the real cost
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: of living pressures every day on students, not the ones
• 21:51
  Speaker 10: they'll have to pay back in years to come. So
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: we take the message from the election, but it will
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: go through.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: But that's its it. You've got to go move for
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: the index or not.
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: So Sarah's going to introduce her I think she'll move
• 22:04
  Speaker 10: an amendment in the Senate. I haven't seen that amendment yet,
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: so I can't give you an answer on that, and
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: it all needs to go through our party processes as
• 22:11
  Speaker 10: you would respect on a Tuesday morning.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Zoe.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Appreciate Zoe McKenzie, their member for Flinder's joining us from camera.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: The trouble with this to giving this debt, this is
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: just taking one bunch of taxpayers money and giving it
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: to people with university qualifications. And it wasn't an electoral success.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: We called it out before the election. It was going
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: to be a winner.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: It's just another handout.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Well Delby tempted to dip in again at the next election,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: won't they Labor? If things are looking dodgy, they'll just
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: throw more money. You got to stick to your guns.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: This is a labor system. Don't forget.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: The whole hext system was brought in under a labor
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: government and now they're using it as a giveaway.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I want to go to another story today that was
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: revealing in the Daily Telegraph, and it's about female teachers
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: saying they're experiencing a rise in sexual harassment in the
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: classroom now. According to the paper, male students making highly
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: sexualized remarks to female educators, including taunting them with rape
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: jokes and sharing deep fakes of.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Them on social media.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in Tracy Tully, a former teacher and principal
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: with thirty eight years experience.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: She joins us from Brisbane. Good to speak to you again, Tracy.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: First, this is a new South Wales sample.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Does it resonate with you?
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Is this what's happening in classrooms and is it happening
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: around the country.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: Yes, it's national and has been for a long time.
• 23:31
  Speaker 11: Two thousand and four, in my high schools it was
• 23:34
  Speaker 11: well and truly alive where students were taking staff photos
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: copies of staff photos off the school website and then
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: attaching them to different bodies and then putting them on
• 23:44
  Speaker 11: their Facebook and putting them up there.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: So yes, this has been around a long time. Chris.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Is it getting worse and is that because of social media?
• 23:51
  Speaker 11: Yes, it's getting worse for a number of reasons, and
• 23:54
  Speaker 11: I'm going to be really bold what I say here.
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: So firstly, the Australian curriculum is absolutely top heavy and
• 24:02
  Speaker 11: is full of so much junk. I would say, absolute
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: junk that doesn't need to be there. We need to
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: focus on teaching, quality teaching. We have also we have
• 24:14
  Speaker 11: COVID that disrupted the kids. Kids should have been in schools,
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: they should have been learning, and they are sitting in
• 24:18
  Speaker 11: front of the Internet the whole time. So yes, they
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: were absolutely influenced by that. We also have the insurgence
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: of illegal immigrants, and especially immigrants with a culture of
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: hating women and extremists. So we've got that well and
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: too well live in Australia, so we've got lots of
• 24:36
  Speaker 11: different complex things happening.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: And also of great interest is the reading.
• 24:42
  Speaker 11: Reading numbers of young males students in schools has dropped significantly,
• 24:48
  Speaker 11: So that tells.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Us a lot.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: It sure does. There's a lot in there.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: But as the father of four boys, I've always been
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: very interested in this, and we know there's all sorts
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: of influences, influencers, and we know there's internal influencers them
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: with the coming adjusting to their own maleness. I suppose
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: that hormones and whatever, But to me, the keyword is respect, right.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: It's all about respect, whether it's with women or their colleagues.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: And I'm just wondering whether there's.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Enough focus on respect at school and of course in
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: the home as well.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: These things have to work in tandem.
• 25:27
  Speaker 11: Excellent excellent comment there, Chris. And what's happened is respect
• 25:31
  Speaker 11: right across every field has diminished. Australia don't have patriotism,
• 25:35
  Speaker 11: but we don't have really good strong relationship education anymore,
• 25:41
  Speaker 11: which used to be a foundation for us, and so
• 25:43
  Speaker 11: therefore students aren't taught to speak properly they're just not
• 25:48
  Speaker 11: taught to speak properly, and they're not taught comprehension really well,
• 25:53
  Speaker 11: so therefore they can't form their own opinion and they're
• 25:55
  Speaker 11: searching for information to help them online in this manner
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: sphere field where you've got miss Gnus and all sorts
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: of things going around there, and they're struggling.
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: They're struggling their mental health particularly.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what to worry. We'll keep discussing this with the experts.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Light yourself, Tracy. Thanks so much for joining us. Tracy
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Tully there with the nearly four decades of experience in
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the field, we've got to get to a break.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: On the other side of that, we went across to.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Sophie el's Worth in Turnbury as Donald Trump takes Scotland
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: by storm. We used to catch up with Sophie el's
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Worth in Melbourne every week to talk media.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: It's hard keeping up with her now.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Sophie El'sworth, of course, is now the News Corp correspondent
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and Sky News contributor in Europe. She joins us this
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: time from Turnbury in Scotland. Great to talk to you again, Sophie,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: to talk us through what's happening here.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I think it's quite extraordinary.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, of course, being in Scotland and meeting European
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: and British leaders. But he's basically just turned up but
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: his own golf resort, hasn't He and set himself up
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: in camp and everyone's just turning up to meet him.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: He's sort of set up camp and thinking all worship
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: of his feet.
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, great to be with you, Chris.
• 27:10
  Speaker 12: Look, it's absolutely glorious. It's overcast here in Tambury, but
• 27:14
  Speaker 12: just driving in here this morning there were buses full
• 27:18
  Speaker 12: of police officers, several buses with dozens and dozens of
• 27:22
  Speaker 12: police officers. There was a chopper overhead earlier. The security
• 27:26
  Speaker 12: here is extremely intense. We know that Donald Trump is
• 27:30
  Speaker 12: here for five days and he's had a series of
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: meetings with will have a series of meetings with key
• 27:37
  Speaker 12: world leaders here at Turnbrey while he's fitting in quite
• 27:41
  Speaker 12: a lot of goals between and we know yesterday Chris,
• 27:44
  Speaker 12: he had that meeting with the European Commission President Ursula
• 27:47
  Speaker 12: vonder lyon to strike these tariff deals. Today has meetings
• 27:51
  Speaker 12: with Sakia Stamer and First Minister John Swinney. So this
• 27:55
  Speaker 12: might be a holiday for him, but he's certainly fitting
• 27:58
  Speaker 12: in a lot of workers.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's an extraordinary way to operate. And when
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: you're the leader of the free world, why not. Here
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: is the U and the EU commissioned president.
• 28:08
  Speaker 13: It's a huge deal. It will bring stability, it will
• 28:13
  Speaker 13: bring predictability. That's very important for our businesses on both
• 28:16
  Speaker 13: sides of the Atlantic. It's fifteen percent tariffs across the board,
• 28:22
  Speaker 13: all inclusive, inclusive.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: And of course Donald Trump never under sills anything. Here
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: is what he had to say about it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: I just want to congratulate you.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: I think it's.
• 28:34
  Speaker 14: I think it's great that.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: We made a deal today instead of playing games.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: And maybe not making a deal at all.
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: I think it's I'm going to let you say, but
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: I think it's the biggest deal ever made.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: And as you say so, I think you stama to
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: come other issues, including the Middle East as well as trade.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: But on the trade front, I suppose it's to be
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: expected the biggest economy in the world. But the tariff
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: was that Donald Trump is unleashed. One by one, countries
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: are giving him at least something of what he wants.
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: Well, that's right, Chris.
• 29:11
  Speaker 12: And there also was an exchange that the EU will
• 29:14
  Speaker 12: spend significant amounts on energy and military as well in
• 29:20
  Speaker 12: having this sweet now with you know the tariff deal
• 29:22
  Speaker 12: that was struck with mister Trump yesterday, but he was
• 29:26
  Speaker 12: threatening thirty percent tariffs on goods and that's now been
• 29:30
  Speaker 12: dropped to fifteen. So you would think the European Commissioned
• 29:33
  Speaker 12: President would be happy with that result. But there'll no
• 29:37
  Speaker 12: doubt be more talks about trade when he meets with
• 29:39
  Speaker 12: Sakia here at Turnbury's due to fly into here, arrive
• 29:43
  Speaker 12: here by road in a few hours time, and then
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: Sakia Starmer is flying up to Aberdeen with President Donald
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: Trump where he'll have a dinner with the First Minister
• 29:54
  Speaker 12: John Swinney and there's going to be lots of issues
• 29:57
  Speaker 12: on the agenda. So it's a busy time and I
• 29:59
  Speaker 12: think think all these world leaders are wanting to grab
• 30:02
  Speaker 12: that precious time with Donald Trump before he flies home
• 30:05
  Speaker 12: to America on Tuesday.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: We should have said elbow up there to see if
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: he can get around the golf in with the Donald.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I want to come back to the golf. We've got
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: to talk through this vision. It's a creator of the
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: sensation around the world because it appears that Donald Trump
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: has had one of these security or men, or let's
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: call him a caddy, just drop a ball here in
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: front of in front of the bunker. You know, I
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: wouldn't mind that when I play golf, when it goes
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: into the bunker, someone just drops it out there and
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: basically even.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Not even in the rough for him.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Any further word on this, Sofia is that there have
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: been any confession.
• 30:44
  Speaker 9: Well, Chris, does it really matter.
• 30:46
  Speaker 12: I mean, he's not playing in the US Masters. I
• 30:48
  Speaker 12: mean he's out there just having a bit of a
• 30:49
  Speaker 12: bash around with the golf ball. It all seems a
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: bit of fun to me. And also, Chris, it's really
• 30:54
  Speaker 12: interesting because the reporters cannot really get close to Donald
• 30:58
  Speaker 12: Trump unless they're in that pool group. But there are
• 31:00
  Speaker 12: reporters yelling at to ad him across the golf course
• 31:03
  Speaker 12: while he's teeing off. So it's been a bit of entertainment.
• 31:06
  Speaker 12: But he looks to be enjoying himself here at Chambury,
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: because I must say, Chris, it is absolutely spectacular. This
• 31:13
  Speaker 12: is one of the best golf courses in the world.
• 31:15
  Speaker 12: And it's any wonder that he loves spending so much
• 31:18
  Speaker 12: time here in his late mother's homeland.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Fantastic stuff. Thanks for joining us, Sofie. Sophie's worth it
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: all over it in Scotland for us.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, get the ball out of the rough, but
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: just pick up front about it.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I do it with my kids on the golf course.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Just kick it out from behind the tree. That's fine,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: you're just learning.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: But I reckon having the secret drop. That is hilarious.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Although I did play around a golf once with a
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: man who went on to become UN's Secretary General, and
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: there was suggestions that it was a bit of a
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: shoe iron going on there, that one might have to
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: save that one for the memoirs.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Let's go to.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Another break because on the other side, when we get
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: back into the coalition's debate over scrapping net zero by
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: twenty fifty and the Nationals leader David About he's going
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: to join me live, let's work out what's going on
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: with the Coalition and net zero by twenty fifty and
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: go to camer now catch up with the Nationals leader
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: David Little Proud.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again, David.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Very hard for you as a party to stick with
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: net zero by twenty fifty when you've got such leading
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: figures in your own party who was saying it's disastrous
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: for the country and has to go, oh.
• 32:29
  Speaker 14: Well, look, we've made a decision.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: The vast majority of the party room made a decision
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: to review that policy, and we've got a structured process
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: that I asked Matt Canavan to lead.
• 32:40
  Speaker 14: We're not going to kick this down the road.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: In fact, I expect in the coming couple of months
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: we should be able to leverage off that independent analysis
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: economic analysis that our party room will get to a position.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: I understand the eagerness of Barnaby Joyce to bring forward
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: a private members bill, that's his right, but you know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: our party room. I've got to lead the party room.
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: I've got to bring everybody with us. But I don't
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: intend to kick it down the road. I think we'll
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: get that information and as a group, I think we'll
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: get to a decision sooner rather than later.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: But if Matt Canavan is going to recommend anything other
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: than the scrapping of zero by twenty fifty, well then
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: you know I'm going to be the next Teal candidate
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: for Worringer.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: Look, there's others in the group I do understand your
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: point of it, because Matt's been I think.
• 33:30
  Speaker 14: The most consistent and passionate about this.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: But he's an economist and I think what we want
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: to do is draw on his expertise, but also others
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: in the room like ros Cadell and others that have
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: other points of view that may not necessarily agree.
• 33:46
  Speaker 14: And that's a broad church. The National Party is trying
• 33:49
  Speaker 14: to think.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: What we want to do is draw on that experience,
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: and I think that's why as a group we want
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: to be able to articulate the why. And I think
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: it's important that we if we get to a position
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: that changes our look, we have to be honest with
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: the Australian people as to why and what it looks
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: like in moving forward and to give it inside. I mean,
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: that's one of the reasons why the National Party left
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: the coalition because we couldn't get a guarantee after the
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: election about nuclear energy being part of the grid moving forward.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: We want to be sensible about what our energy grid
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: looks like because we're the ones that are bearing the
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: burden of this.
• 34:22
  Speaker 14: Even my elector.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: I'm seeing communities torn up, I'm seeing families torn apart
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: because of this reckless race to all renewables. And you know,
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: Zalie Stegel can complain and protests against six wind turbines,
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: and we complain about hundreds of hectares being torn up
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: just for solar panels, wind turbines and transmission lines just
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: in one small area, and where climate denies and all
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: sorts of things. I mean, we've got a responsibility to
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: stand up for our people and they're hurting and they're
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: bearing the burden. And just say to people that live
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: in a capital city, just come and have a look,
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: and come and listen to the lived experience, serience of
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: my members and the people that we represent on what
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: the Labor Party is doing to our communities and also
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: to your food security.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: But let me just jump in there, the least of
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: all this program would to underestimate the trauma that regional
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: communities are going through. We've crossed the people right around
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the country who are fighting renewable energy projects and transmission projects.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: But if that was saving the planet, people would say
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: that might be a price that they're willing to pay.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: So my point is that you mentioned Matt Caravan as
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: being passionate and consistent on this. He's also right isn't it.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: You know that he's right.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: You know that Australia cannot get to net zero with
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: the current technology, that we are destroying our economy and
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: our standard of living in trying to get there, and
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: it would have no impact on the global environment if
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: we did, because global emissions continue to increase.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: So surely on the logic that you must know all
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: that there's no way known the NATS can back now
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: net zero by twenty fifty.
• 36:00
  Speaker 14: Yeah, and you look at where the world is going
• 36:03
  Speaker 14: on this.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: Net zero has become something about trying to achieve the
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: impossible rather than doing what's sensible. And you even see
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: the European Union in the last couple of weeks coming
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: out and saying that they're considering exempting their heavy industries
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: from carbon reductions because they're uncompetitive. We can't change global
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: emissions in any significant way. Well, we're only about one
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: percent of total emissions. But what we should do is
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: have some common sense and not turn our mind away
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: from things like nuclear energy, but also using colon gas
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: with things like carbon capture storage.
• 36:40
  Speaker 14: So if you go back and you want.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: To say.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Sorry to cut you off, David, so you you are
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: clearly leaning towards scrapping zero by twenty fifty.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what we want to do is and validate that
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: with some hard economics, some hard reality from third parties,
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: respected third parties, so that we can explain the why.
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: And I think that's what we've got to do.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: That's our responsibility to explain the why and what it
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: looks like and what our energy grid should look like.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: And we were passionate about that, and that's why we
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: fought to get nuclear energy as part of our Energy
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: YIX before the last election, and we believe it should
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: stay as part along with colon gas, with things like
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: carbon capture storage, which.
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  Speaker 3: Is what So this is why we're waiting.
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  Speaker 2: This is why we're waiting for the review, not really
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  Speaker 2: to find out whether or not you're going to scrap
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  Speaker 2: the zero commitment, but to make sure you've got a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a policy to put in its place.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we want to be sensible about this, so I
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: don't want to preempt where the rest of the party
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: room will get to.
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  Speaker 14: That's my jobs to lead it.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: But I think this is where we want to make
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  Speaker 5: sure that we're well equipped to talk to the Australian
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  Speaker 5: people with the right tone and the right intent, and
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  Speaker 5: I think that's the responsibility that we've got and we
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: want to lead.
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  Speaker 2: And show Thanks for joining us, David as ever, I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it, David Little Proud.
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  Speaker 3: They're the National's leader. Will you heard all of that?
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Your saw for it sounds like the Nationals as we
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: all expect. Really we'll go down this path of scrapping
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: that target, but of course they want to have an
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: energy alternative in place so that they're not just creating
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: a vacuum. This is going to make it very, very difficult,
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  Speaker 2: of course for the Liberal Party. I would have thought
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  Speaker 2: the Coalition is going to get rid of this target.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: They only signed up to it under Scott Morrison.
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  Speaker 3: A few years ago.
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  Speaker 2: As you remember, they're going to talk about delivering reliable
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  Speaker 2: and affordable energy here and reducing emissions, but not wrecking
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  Speaker 2: the country with this senseless push towards now zero.
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  Speaker 8: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I've spent plenty of time on this program exposing some
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: of the deceptive media coverage of the Garzan War is
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: often fueled by outlandish statements for the United Nations and
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: journalists who take media releases from the Ghars and Health
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Ministry I e. Hummaus at face value, take this example
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: from Al Jazeera in October twenty twenty three, early in
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: the crisis, an explosion near a hospital in Gaza, and
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: they were quick to pin the blame on Israel.
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: Been widespread shock and international condemnation after Israel launched an
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  Speaker 10: airstrike on a hospital in Gaza, killing hundreds of Palestinians.
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  Speaker 15: Hundreds of families were sheltering in the territory of the
• 39:13
  Speaker 15: Al Aali Baptist Hospital, displaced people looking for shelter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it turns out this was all wrong. It was
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: a misfired Islamic jihad missile. It only hit the hospital
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: car park, and the death toll was a tiny fraction
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: of what was reported. I want to get an insider's
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: view on the media's coverage of this war. And Ian
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Neubauer is a freelance journalist who worked for Al Jazeera.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: He wrote a column recently in The Financial Review What
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I Learned as a Jew at Al Jazeera. He joins
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: me in Our Life from.
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  Speaker 3: Brisbane, Good to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us firstly about the role Al Jazeera plays, both
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: in Arabic broadcasts and English language broadcasts in covering issues
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 3: Today.
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  Speaker 9: Chris Well I can't tell you what they publish or
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  Speaker 9: broadcast in Arabic because I didn't speak Arabic, no more
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: than a few words. But from what I've heard, it's
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  Speaker 9: pretty terrible. I can only tell you about what they
• 40:14
  Speaker 9: publish in English. Now, you open up Al Jazeera website
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  Speaker 9: any day of the week, any minute of the day,
• 40:21
  Speaker 9: and the first five stories will be about Israel, about
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: how bad Israel is, Israel kills, Israel genocide, Israel's war
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: against Gaza, Nothing about what Hamas is doing, Nothing about
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: the root causes of the war, nothing about the hostages.
• 40:36
  Speaker 9: Very little about the one hundred and nine other conflicts
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: going on in the world right now, most of which
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: are Muslim on Muslim violence in the Middle East with
• 40:44
  Speaker 9: a defthol eclipse. What's happening in Gaza by scores. In Sa'dan,
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: we know that there's ten to fifteen million people that
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: are generally starving. We don't even know how many people
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: have died there. Yeah, men, their civil war is still
• 40:58
  Speaker 9: burning in Syria. There's minijen sides going all over the place.
• 41:01
  Speaker 9: Al Jazeera is focused on one thing. Al Jazeera suffers
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: from Israel. Compulsive, obsessive disease, and it's because it is
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: idologically opposed to the existence of a Jewish state.
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  Speaker 2: This is hardly surprising, isn't it, given that Al Jazeera
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: is owned by the Qatari government, and the Qatari government
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: supports and funds Hamasa sometimes portrayed as some sort of
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: honest broker.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: But it's a more malevolent influence in the region than that,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: isn't it.
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  Speaker 9: That's the problem, Chris. They are portrayed as an honest broker.
• 41:34
  Speaker 9: And I worked for them for ten years. I didn't
• 41:37
  Speaker 9: cover the Middle East until just a few days after
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: October seventh. I wrote for them in Asia, in Australia,
• 41:45
  Speaker 9: in the South Pacific, and we did excellent work. Our
• 41:48
  Speaker 9: journalism was top shelf. The editors I worked with, some
• 41:52
  Speaker 9: of the were Australian, some of the were British, really
• 41:55
  Speaker 9: professional people, really solid newsmen and newswomen.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: This persona.
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: They look like CNN, they smell like BBC, they look
• 42:04
  Speaker 9: like anyone else that They are all funded by the
• 42:07
  Speaker 9: Katari royal family and they have one mission in the world,
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: and it is their Islamic global destabilizing agenda. That is
• 42:15
  Speaker 9: why they've been banned in half of the Arabic countries.
• 42:18
  Speaker 9: They've been banned not only in Israel, but also in
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: the Palestinia authorities because they are known as the mouthpiece
• 42:25
  Speaker 9: for hamas well.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at what the Israeli government is
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: saying about the current situation in Gaza.
• 42:34
  Speaker 15: There is no famine in Gaza. There is a famine
• 42:36
  Speaker 15: of the truth, and Israel will not stop telling it.
• 42:40
  Speaker 15: Eighty seven million meals one point eight million tons of
• 42:45
  Speaker 15: aid which we facilitated aid getting in Hummas loots. It
• 42:51
  Speaker 15: starves its own people and the world looks away.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: So that's what Israel says.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Yet most of the world's media, led by our Jazira,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: says that there's a deliberate starvation going on, that civilians
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: are deliberately being killed by Israel.
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  Speaker 3: How do we find out the truth?
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: I don't know, That's my honest answer. I'm a reporter.
• 43:15
  Speaker 9: I report on what I see. I haven't been in
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: that area for more than a year my last trip
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: to Israel and the territories.
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: I don't know now.
• 43:24
  Speaker 9: Normally what I do is i'd rely on news sources,
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: rational trusted, long standing news sources such as the BBC,
• 43:34
  Speaker 9: such as CNN, Time, magazine whoever it is news Corp.
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: I'd rely on them, but I can't rely on them
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: because they're quoting figures from the Hamas Health Authority, the
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: Health Authority, the Health Department.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: That is ludicrous.
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: That's like saying put In has a Ministry of love.
• 43:52
  Speaker 14: Now the UK has a ministry of sound.
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: This is a deaficult. They throw homosexuals off buildings, they
• 43:59
  Speaker 9: cut people's head on We've disagree with them. They are
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: into their twenty second year of their fourth year term.
• 44:05
  Speaker 9: This is a deaf cult. There is no health ministry.
• 44:08
  Speaker 9: They do not run hospitals. They do nothing for the
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: health of individual guardans.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: They kill them.
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: How can we reply on them as a source.
• 44:17
  Speaker 14: And that is the problem. That is what's happened, Chris.
• 44:20
  Speaker 9: Our industry, our profession has been hijacked by terrorists and
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: us lazy, not us. We have so many of my
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: colleagues who are sitting there in the death jobs and
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: cite Hummus. They cite a deaficult Would they cite the
• 44:35
  Speaker 9: Iranian government? Would they cite put In? But they cite
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: them as if it's a fact, as if it's the
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: Queensland Ministry of Health. They do it every day insanity.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: They do it every day in that's happening in Gaza.
• 44:49
  Speaker 14: That's the truth.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: It is the truth. And you've articulated all that brilliantly.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us. Let's see and Lloyd
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Nubel there who has first.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Had experience working for Al Jazeera and as he says,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: it spreads right through the media. Just remember every time
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: you hear them quoting un or Garzan Ministry of Health figures,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: they're quoting hummus, it's propaganda.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: After the break, Gemutine Union Caroline Jarusso joined me.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about how we can how the Palestinian activists
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: are planning to shut down the Sydney Harbor Bridge in
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: a booming protest. I spent the last few days on
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: the Gold Coast with my youngest son, bit of a
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: sporting trip.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: It was a fantastic trip. Loved the Gold Coast.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I'm a new fan and thanks to everyone who said
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: gooday while I was up there.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: I wanted to mention though, including a couple of bugs.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I bumped into near Main Beach on the foreshore there
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: where I found a credit card. So if you know
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: someone who lost a credit card near the foreshore at
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Main Beach. Let them know the Sheredan Mirage Hotel.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: That's where it is. Long story. I thought it had
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: come from there, but it's at the Sheridan Mirage Hotel.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I won't use names or anything, but if you lost
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: that credit card, you know someone, if they get onto
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: the sheri Itan Mirage they might find they might get
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: that credit card back. Let's bring in the panel now
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: with Gemmatonieni from GT Communications joining us from this wonderful
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: city of Sydney, and carolinea, also host.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Of the Royal Report, joining us live. Rayal Report joining
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: us live from Perth. Great to have you both on
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: board again. I want to get back to this this
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Palestinian protest issue.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't been there for a while, Gemma, but they
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: wanted to shut down the Harbor Bridge and have a
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: protest across there on Sunday.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: The New South Wales Premier Chris Mins says, no, you
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: can't do that. Good decision.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: But what chance they'll enforce this. This could be a showdown.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: They'll probably try and force some sort of march across
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: there anyway, and we know how pathetic the law enforcement
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: authorities have been in the past on when it comes
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: to these particular protesters.
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  Speaker 16: So this is definitely a test for Chris Mins and
• 46:50
  Speaker 16: his resolve against these people who, let's not fall for it.
• 46:54
  Speaker 16: They don't want to march for anything other than hate.
• 46:56
  Speaker 16: Vis That are the people who have been filling Australian
• 46:59
  Speaker 16: street with hate for nearly two years now. I was
• 47:03
  Speaker 16: at the Anti Semitism summit, as were you, Chris, when
• 47:07
  Speaker 16: the Premier apologized if I recall correctly, for the way
• 47:13
  Speaker 16: that the issue on the Opera House was handled that night.
• 47:16
  Speaker 16: This is an extension of that.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: They've been told no.
• 47:20
  Speaker 17: If they defy that, then it's just another validation of
• 47:24
  Speaker 17: everything we.
• 47:25
  Speaker 16: Know about this Codor. They're not interested in the fate
• 47:28
  Speaker 16: of Palestinians. They are not interested in anything other than
• 47:32
  Speaker 16: demonizing Israel and spreading hate. You can bet your backside
• 47:36
  Speaker 16: they will be saying things like death to the IDF.
• 47:39
  Speaker 17: They will be doing that. There will be nothing but
• 47:43
  Speaker 17: the same sort of fear mongering and terror.
• 47:47
  Speaker 16: And yeah, I use that word deliberately because imagine, if
• 47:50
  Speaker 16: you're a Jewish person you want to go for a
• 47:51
  Speaker 16: nice walk along on the Harbor Bridge on Sunday afternoon,
• 47:55
  Speaker 16: you wouldn't be doing that or taking your kids, Like,
• 47:58
  Speaker 16: let's be honest about what these people are, what they've
• 48:01
  Speaker 16: stood for, what they've done, and what they've demonstrated with
• 48:04
  Speaker 16: their behavior for nearly two whole years.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, spot on.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: The pressure now is on Chris Mins to back up
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: the retric with action here. You just can't be allow
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: these people to defy you in this way. Hey, Caroline,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I want to don't normally go to your official role
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: as President of the West Australian Liberals, but it's hard
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: to avoid it today because the WA Liberals have turned
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: their back on net zero by twenty fifty.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: You think you're leading the way for the whole of
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: the coalition nationally now.
• 48:33
  Speaker 18: Well, our organization is very well known for robust debate
• 48:37
  Speaker 18: and motions come to our State Council and to our
• 48:40
  Speaker 18: State Conference, through our branches, through our divisions, through our committees.
• 48:44
  Speaker 18: In twenty twenty two, a motion was passed at our
• 48:47
  Speaker 18: State Conference to oppose a voice to Parliament, which was
• 48:51
  Speaker 18: well ahead of the decision that was taken in the
• 48:55
  Speaker 18: Federal party room. So the fact that these motions have
• 49:00
  Speaker 18: gone through is you know, doesn't surprise me personally in
• 49:06
  Speaker 18: the slightest but also Chris and as you well know,
• 49:09
  Speaker 18: you know, everyone's entitled to an opinion in the Liberal Party.
• 49:12
  Speaker 18: You know, our organization, it does its own policy work,
• 49:16
  Speaker 18: but it doesn't necessarily bind our parliamentary teams the same
• 49:20
  Speaker 18: way that if you're a backbencher you have the ability to.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Cross the floor. Is the debate.
• 49:25
  Speaker 18: We've got to have a simple totally, and it's the demate,
• 49:28
  Speaker 18: and it's the conversation that everyone should be involved in.
• 49:31
  Speaker 18: And you know, good on the wa division of the
• 49:35
  Speaker 18: party for having that conversation. Obviously, it has hit the
• 49:39
  Speaker 18: news in a big way and now it's a matter
• 49:41
  Speaker 18: for the parliamentary team at a federal level to deal with.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, we are right out of time. Sorry, guys, we've
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: got time got away from me today.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Jemma and Caroline will catch you up for a longer
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: chat next week. We added David Little Proud late into
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: this show. I thought it was important and I hope
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: you appreciate that because of this net zero debate, Say
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: too now for Kretlin Hosted tonight by Steve Price.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: See you tomorrow, MHM.