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Through early morning fog I see | HBR Talk 408 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to through early morning fog. I see,
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  Speaker 1: some people will recognize that lyric and some people won't,
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  Speaker 1: probably more general gen xers than anything. But the the
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  Speaker 1: thumbnail should have given you a clue. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Hannah Well and here with nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks, the
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  Speaker 1: personification of perceptivity, Mike Stevenson and Richard the lionhearted and
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  Speaker 1: the doge in charge Brian Martinez working in the background
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  Speaker 1: to make everything happen. Now you guys, since ireny all
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  Speaker 1: over can say Hi, Hi.
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  Speaker 2: It is quite foggy down here.
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  Speaker 3: Ye, there's this.
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  Speaker 4: Weird tint in the air because the song's well read,
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  Speaker 4: but it's full of clouds, so it looks like a
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  Speaker 4: film being set in Mexico, wed tint everywhere.
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  Speaker 5: It's the Canadian fire cannon's on fire.
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  Speaker 2: Like a lot of yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Uh f so the audience to pay respect for Canada.
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  Speaker 1: Ok so yeah, it's like we we get them here too, wildfires.
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  Speaker 1: Not not here here as in where I'm sitting, because
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  Speaker 1: I'm in Ohio. We don't really something catches fire in
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  Speaker 1: Ohio and it spreads like that. That would be really
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  Speaker 1: bad for a lot of people. But the Western States
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  Speaker 1: where there's huge, huge tracts of land.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And also you know, like countryside and stuff, huge tracks
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  Speaker 1: of land that doesn't wear bikini Uh that uh is
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  Speaker 1: just not a person in sight for for miles and
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  Speaker 1: miles and miles and lots of trees and camping and
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  Speaker 1: ship that that's where that happens. But and I imagine
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  Speaker 1: that's probably the same thing in Canada. There's probably a
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  Speaker 1: great deal of this occurring in areas where there are
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  Speaker 1: not people living more than anything else. But of course
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  Speaker 1: recent history has shown that if you know, the old
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  Speaker 1: darks want a piece of land, lightning will strike there
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  Speaker 1: or some other weird shit will happen and there will
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  Speaker 1: be fire where it's not normal. So cross your fingers
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  Speaker 1: and knock on the nearest piece of wood to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that it doesn't happen to you. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I SAIDs to pay respects for Canada, but to
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  Speaker 1: explain the reference. And I really should have written something
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  Speaker 1: down because I'm a little brain fried today. Got up
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  Speaker 1: at a little earlier than normal this morning, and normal
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  Speaker 1: is five am, so I've been getting up at four am.
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  Speaker 1: And you would think a night shifter wouldn't have a
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  Speaker 1: problem with that. But since I've been a day shifter
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  Speaker 1: now for three months, four months, it is. But since
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  Speaker 1: I had two weeks to think between the last show
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  Speaker 1: on this topic and this show, it got me thinking
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  Speaker 1: about the problem that I have with this bill, and
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  Speaker 1: it's the problem that I have with all of these
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  Speaker 1: bills and laws going into effect that are like this,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's medical suicide itself is not the thing that
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  Speaker 1: I object to personally. Okay, with the fact that if
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  Speaker 1: we have to to use painkillers and things to spare
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  Speaker 1: somebody from choking to death or experiencing the choking to
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  Speaker 1: death for instance, that comes at the end of als,
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  Speaker 1: and they want to choose that, then that's one thing, right,
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of these laws make it too easy
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  Speaker 1: or someone who isn't the person having the health condition
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  Speaker 1: to convince the person who is having the health condition
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  Speaker 1: to go down that path when they might not have
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  Speaker 1: chosen that for themselves, or to override their choice to
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  Speaker 1: not go down that path. Especially someone who's easily influenced,
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  Speaker 1: can't self advocate or you know, is no longer all there,
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  Speaker 1: and those those categories cannot It's not just dementia. It
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  Speaker 1: can include people that are have developed mental health conditions
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  Speaker 1: and are getting worse or just aren't getting better. And
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  Speaker 1: some of the people that are the hardest to protect
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  Speaker 1: are people who can't always explain what's going on with them,
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  Speaker 1: like people with PTSD. And of course that that got
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  Speaker 1: me thinking about you know, how many how many soldiers
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  Speaker 1: actually we lose every year because they cannot deal with
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  Speaker 1: what's happened to them, either in their military experiences or
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  Speaker 1: in their family after their military experiences have completely changed
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  Speaker 1: their lives or completely changed them, and or they married
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  Speaker 1: a disloyal whore that decided to fuck around on them
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  Speaker 1: and leave, which happens way too frequently. And so that
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  Speaker 1: is why I chose the first line of this particular song,
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  Speaker 1: which gen xers will will recognize as the first line
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  Speaker 1: of the theme song from Mash for the movie and
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  Speaker 1: the TV show. You get to hear it actually in
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  Speaker 1: the movie, but in any case, so people understand why
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  Speaker 1: even though this is about health conditions in general, you
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  Speaker 1: see the military tints. I don't think you know, in
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  Speaker 1: a movie one of the characters and god, damn, I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember his name now, damn it. I haven't watched
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  Speaker 1: that movie a thousand times. But one of the characters
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  Speaker 1: wants to wants to kill himself, and like the rest
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  Speaker 1: of him, obviously don't want him to do that, and
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  Speaker 1: so they give him a drug and he thinks he's dead,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, he thinks he's dying, and then he
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  Speaker 1: thinks he's dead, and after he goes through the whole
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  Speaker 1: ritual of committing suicide because he really thinks he's committing suicide,
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  Speaker 1: he thinks the pill is going to kill him, and
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  Speaker 1: they do the whole funeral for him and everything before
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  Speaker 1: so that he gets to see what he wanted to see,
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  Speaker 1: which was people mourning him. The next day he's he's
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  Speaker 1: in bright spirits. And I think a lot of times,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if people had that second chance, they would
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  Speaker 1: never try again. And women often get that chance and
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  Speaker 1: men very often don't. And the big one of the
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  Speaker 1: biggest differences is that when a woman expresses pain and
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  Speaker 1: suffering and distress and lack of purpose, lack of willingness
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  Speaker 1: to live or willingness to die, people care and they
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  Speaker 1: try to talk her out of it. They don't just
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  Speaker 1: shut her up either. They don't, Oh you can't, don't,
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  Speaker 1: don't talk about that. Don't talk about that, right they
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  Speaker 1: tell her that they would be distressed if she was gone,
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  Speaker 1: And and it is very distressing even if somebody that
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  Speaker 1: you grew up with, cared about through your whole childhood
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  Speaker 1: and then had to move away from and didn't see
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  Speaker 1: for five or six years, and you find out that
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  Speaker 1: person's gone, and and she didn't even call you, right,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't even ask for help. That that hurts a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Like I can't even begin to I usually am really
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  Speaker 1: good at explaining how things look and feel, and I,
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  Speaker 1: you know, don't think I can explain this other than
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  Speaker 1: the fact that there's there's grief over losing someone, and
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  Speaker 1: then there's also grief over not even getting a chance
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  Speaker 1: to help, not even getting a chance to try to
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  Speaker 1: talk them out of it or give them what they
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  Speaker 1: needed to take a different path. So when you when
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  Speaker 1: you run into a situation where somebody might be difficult
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  Speaker 1: for the people around them to deal with, especially in
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  Speaker 1: a medical facility, and medical personnel might talk that person
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  Speaker 1: into killing themselves when you're not there. And believe me,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen medical personnel. I've seen the consequences of medical
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  Speaker 1: personnel making unethical decisions and bullying someone into accepting it.
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  Speaker 1: When they don't have an advocate present, it happens, and
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  Speaker 1: it's it's not rare. It should be, but it's not rare.
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  Speaker 1: It's a terrify prospect. You could lose soldiers with PTSD,
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  Speaker 1: you could lose men and women with depression. You could
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  Speaker 1: lose people who suffer from a perception order like schizophrenia,
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  Speaker 1: where it's very hard to go through life not being
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  Speaker 1: able to trust what you see and hear, and not
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  Speaker 1: being able to trust what you know to be true
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  Speaker 1: because you can't always be sure if you're right. And
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't take a big push to drive somebody in
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  Speaker 1: that circumstance to suicide. So I lost a friend in
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  Speaker 1: university because his parents didn't think he needed medicine for
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  Speaker 1: that it was against their religion, and so they took
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  Speaker 1: his pills away from him and he hanged himself. And
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  Speaker 1: I lost an elementary school friend because medical personnel decided
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  Speaker 1: that her pain wasn't that bad and they took her
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  Speaker 1: medication away and she killed herself. So when I talk
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  Speaker 1: about this, it's personal.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it. The question that is begging
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  Speaker 2: here is, you know, why isn't there better health care?
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  Speaker 2: And you know, we know the reason right, If you
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  Speaker 2: have a socialist system for your health care where you
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  Speaker 2: have to wait six months just to see a doctor,
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  Speaker 2: and by then your cancer may be incurable, And now
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  Speaker 2: you're presenting a program to assist you with the change
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  Speaker 2: of life. No, what is failing? And why is nobody
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  Speaker 2: pointing that out? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly what I'm afraid of. You end up
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  Speaker 1: with rationing. You end up with rationing of health care.
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  Speaker 1: You end up with it would be cheaper to let
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  Speaker 1: this person kill themselves than it would be to try
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  Speaker 1: to treat them for the condition that they have. And
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  Speaker 1: I've watched in my country, I've watched insurance companies do that. Right,
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  Speaker 1: Lauren and I have probably both seen this with family
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  Speaker 1: members that we love. First, the therapy therapy that would
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  Speaker 1: help is too expensive. But you can have all these
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  Speaker 1: pain pills as many as you need to treat this
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  Speaker 1: pain and keep you from asking more about you know,
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  Speaker 1: the physical therapy and the massage therapy and any other
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  Speaker 1: potential options that might slow down the progression of this
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  Speaker 1: degenerative health condition. And then then after you're over sixty
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  Speaker 1: and your body has degenerated because of the degenerative health condition,
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  Speaker 1: then you can you know you can count on the
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  Speaker 1: fact that they're going to take away your pa. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know now you're a fall risk that we've told
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  Speaker 1: you to take for thirty years. You can't have it anymore,
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  Speaker 1: But we don't have an alternative. You're just gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to learn now now that it's ten times worse. You're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to learn to live with the pain that
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  Speaker 1: we haven't let you progressively experience over the years as
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  Speaker 1: it as it got worse. So thirty years ago, when
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  Speaker 1: you couldn't deal with that pain, that's nothing. Let's do
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  Speaker 1: this now to you. That's why my mom decided to
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  Speaker 1: have surgery in twenty twenty and she got COVID at
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  Speaker 1: the hospital and she died. Because of health care rationing.
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to cover what you need. We'll cover
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  Speaker 1: what we have to do in order to keep you
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  Speaker 1: from accessing that until it's too late, and then we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna take that away too. That's health care rationing, and
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  Speaker 1: it's happening now when people are paying insurance companies to
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  Speaker 1: pay for their health care when we don't have medically
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  Speaker 1: assisted suicide in the US. So when these laws come
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  Speaker 1: into effect, there's a thing that really needs to happen, right,
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  Speaker 1: They're not talking about it in this article at all.
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  Speaker 1: It has to be cut and dried. You cannot suggest
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  Speaker 1: this to the individual. The individual has to come to
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  Speaker 1: you ask about it, and you cannot provide this after
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  Speaker 1: denying care for a treatable condition. Period. It can't be allowed, ever,
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  Speaker 1: that a patient can be denied care for a treatable
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  Speaker 1: condition and then killed because if they can do it,
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  Speaker 1: they will. There isn't a question about that. It will happen.
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  Speaker 1: So before we go on with this, it's probably too
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  Speaker 1: late for trigger warning. I don't really do trigger warnings here,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna probably get dark talking about this. I've
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  Speaker 1: already gotten dark talking about this, and I imagine that
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  Speaker 1: there are people that are listening that also want to
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  Speaker 1: get dark talking about this. YouTube's not gonna let you
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  Speaker 1: do it, but you can. You can send us through
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  Speaker 1: through our super chowch channel feed the Badger dot Com
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  Speaker 1: slash just the tip and I'll go over the rest
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  Speaker 1: of that the spiel momentarily. But I want to make
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  Speaker 1: sure I'm not advocating for or again medical suicide here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm advocating that it it can't be done lightly. It
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  Speaker 1: can't be done carelessly, and it absolutely cannot be done
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  Speaker 1: in a way that allows people to be killed instead
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  Speaker 1: of getting healthcare. Those are those are my stipulations. It
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  Speaker 1: has to be handled so that it's a last resort.
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  Speaker 4: I have to wonder why there haven't been more stories
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  Speaker 4: of people successfully faking their own death. You'd think with
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  Speaker 4: with with the wealth of wealthy people out there, who
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  Speaker 4: who despite their billions, are going to die, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of these folks have a philosophical aversion to death, and
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  Speaker 4: you would you, you would think a lot of them
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  Speaker 4: would try to perpetuate their life by faking their death.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm struggling to think of anyone who's successfully done it.
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  Speaker 4: Lord Luken. Maybe there was this story about this this
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  Speaker 4: British lord who went missing one day and he was
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  Speaker 4: just eventually presumed died, And I guess this has happened
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  Speaker 4: a lot of times, but you just don't hear about them.
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  Speaker 4: You don't hear about many of the successful cases of
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  Speaker 4: someone faking their own death because it it was successful.
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  Speaker 4: Because if you successfully fake your own death and it's
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  Speaker 4: just recorded as a death, so how many how many
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  Speaker 4: times has that happened? And I know this is like
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  Speaker 4: the opposite subject to people actually taking their own lives.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm sort of sat here wondering to what degree
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  Speaker 4: are we even told the truth about when people do
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  Speaker 4: indeed je suide, or when they didn't but they pretended
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  Speaker 4: they did, or when they did but they pretended they didn't.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how to get this across, but yeah, no,
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  Speaker 4: what we think we know about how many people are
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  Speaker 4: dying is probably not accurate, especially when it comes to
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  Speaker 4: people who took their own death, took their own life
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  Speaker 4: in extraordinary circumstances, and people who had their lives taken
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  Speaker 4: in extraordinary circumstances, and you know, the taking of a
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  Speaker 4: life generally is an extraordinary circumstance. I'll just yeah, this
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  Speaker 4: is a random black pital I'm throwing into the situation.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe everything is wrong, maybe no, no one knows anything,
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  Speaker 4: and where all fucks.
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  Speaker 1: You know, one thing, in the modern era, it's very
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  Speaker 1: difficult to just fake your own death with a disappearance,
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  Speaker 1: because if there's no body, they're gonna assume you're still
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  Speaker 1: alive and just missing, and they'll keep looking for you,
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  Speaker 1: especially if they have a reason why they want you.
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  Speaker 1: Before I get into the spiel, we got two rumble
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  Speaker 1: rants from Roboto one two, three, four, five, six seven.
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  Speaker 1: One's for a dollar and the second one is for
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  Speaker 1: two dollars. And uh, the second or the first one
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  Speaker 1: looks like it's starts in the middle of a sentence
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  Speaker 1: because there's no capital and it says better health Comma.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know if I'm missing part of it
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  Speaker 1: or not, but it says eighteen hundred dentist. Healthcare in
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  Speaker 1: the USA West is very much not a given, although
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  Speaker 1: is very expensive, and most doctors are only trained to treat,
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  Speaker 1: not to cure. It is all a bad nightmare a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and it is that way, and in fact, a significant
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  Speaker 1: portion of the problem with American healthcare is drug companies
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  Speaker 1: aim for continual treatment rather than any type of cure.
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  Speaker 1: So it's very difficult, especially with like psychiatric treatment stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that. They really don't want you to get better.
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  Speaker 1: They want to maintain a state of being almost but
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  Speaker 1: not quite okay, just enough that you can function and
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  Speaker 1: maybe get a job and pay taxes, but not so
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  Speaker 1: much that you don't feel like you need them anymore.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't have to go back to therapy, that's
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  Speaker 1: really bad for your therapist because now they've lost a customer, right,
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  Speaker 1: so then they have to find somebody else. They don't
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  Speaker 1: have a that that to take on a new patient.
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  Speaker 1: So obviously, you know western uh practitioners, you have to
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  Speaker 1: you really have to find somebody who is obsessively ethical
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  Speaker 1: in order to get good therapy of any kind. It's
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  Speaker 1: not just they can't that that that they're not feminist.
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  Speaker 1: They also have to not act in their own self
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  Speaker 1: interest financially. And sometimes you know, you can find things like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, people to help you help you with
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  Speaker 1: say an anger management problem or smoking or something like that,
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  Speaker 1: where it's expected that you're gonna get better and there's
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  Speaker 1: going to be more people that need their help. So
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't take money away from them if you get better,
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  Speaker 1: it just gives them better advertising. You know, that works
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  Speaker 1: out pretty well. But let's say you've got something like depression. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you can never just not be depressed anymore, because if
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  Speaker 1: you're ever just not depressed anymore, or anxious anxiety is
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  Speaker 1: another one, or you can't learn to function without therapy
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  Speaker 1: without having to contact your practitioner and go in and
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  Speaker 1: talk and check up on your meds. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: they have to see you every four months, or they
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  Speaker 1: won't keep prescribing if you need meds for life, because
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  Speaker 1: those are practices that need a consistent consumer feed and
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  Speaker 1: it's very difficult to deal with that. It makes it
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  Speaker 1: it's very problematic to have something that maybe is treatable,
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  Speaker 1: like your depression is situational not chemical, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: or or it's an attitude not a mental state, which
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  Speaker 1: does happen. I did that. I had a depressed attitude,
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  Speaker 1: not a depressed mental state, which you know, essentially I
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  Speaker 1: was emotionally lazy, which you know, I guess that's part
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  Speaker 1: of the theism. I'm getting that explained to me by
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  Speaker 1: a few people in my life right now. But it's
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  Speaker 1: still required, you know, a little bit of treatment. And
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  Speaker 1: the first thing they did was try to make it
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  Speaker 1: a permanent condition that I had to go back to
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  Speaker 1: them for forever. I didn't need them forever. But that's
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  Speaker 1: not profitable, and that's they do that to men. If
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  Speaker 1: they create a situation like that where you never get
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  Speaker 1: better and you never quite get to the point where
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  Speaker 1: you don't need them you can function. You feel like
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  Speaker 1: you're going through life spending your wheels the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: That's deadly for a guy in a lot of circumstances
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  Speaker 1: like a woman can do that. A woman can fail
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  Speaker 1: over and over again. If people don't judge her, they're like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she's she's got this problem, right, she's got depression.
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  Speaker 1: A man has that same situation and everybody's like, get
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  Speaker 1: the fuck over it, what's wrong with you? She would
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  Speaker 1: be better by now. You've been going to a doctor
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  Speaker 1: for how many years? Pick your ass up and come
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  Speaker 1: out with us.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody comes along and says, hey, can I do anything
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  Speaker 1: for you? Do you need some help? Okay today? You
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  Speaker 1: know it's always impatience and we can't afford for you
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  Speaker 1: to not be okay right now. We need you to
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• 25:16
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• 25:17
  Speaker 1: going to impact more men than women. I'm afraid that
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: this law is going to impact men more negatively, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm afraid it's going to cost male lives in ways
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  Speaker 1: that it won't affect women most of the time, because
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: it's a lot more inconvenient to society if a man
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: isn't entirely functional, or at least it's recognized how inconvenient
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: it is. Right, people will go well out of their way,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: pay all kinds of taxes and support all kinds of
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: initiatives to essentially put a woman on economic life support
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: and not think of it innocent as an inconvenience. But
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: it's an inconvenience to knock on a neighbor's door and
• 26:04
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  Speaker 1: your death in the USA, but you cannot do it
• 26:15
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• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the fall of England in FIFA. So I don't know
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: what the last bit was. FIFA is that soccer? Yes, okay,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: that's why I don't know. I pay zero attention to soccer.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: It's just I thought, I thought that's where I heard
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: that term before. Not a not a big soccer fan.
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  Speaker 1: Went back when it was Twitter, I used to get
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  Speaker 1: in trouble all the time. I got put in Twitter
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: jail a lot for stupid little things, and it was
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: in funny ways too. If they couldn't report me for hate,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: they would report me as a bot, and then I
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: would have to do this stupid thing to prove that
• 28:20
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• 28:23
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• 28:32
  Speaker 1: apparently I'm I'm like a computer enough that I fail
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: at the more complicated types of capture tests, but or
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: turing tests or whatever turing tests I mean. But in
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: any case, we also got it looks like a couple
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: of super super chows. Kiki Moura gave us twenty dollars
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: and said, I saw a feminist argue dark Kiki Mora,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: has your name always been that short? Because I always
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: read a third key and I don't see it now.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I saw a feminist argue that men are unlikely to
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: find dominant women who don't support feminism because the most
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: because most femdoms she knew of viewed femdom as an
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: important part of having equal socioeconomic power two men. I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: had to explain to her that getting with women who
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: openly admit they are into it for real power in
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the real world sounds like a terrible idea, and that like,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: that's exactly how you'd find a real abuser. Yeah. I
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: only know one person who has been a femdom, and uh,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I think she would probably beat my ass
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: if I called her a feminist. But people believe what
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: they believe.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: If it is who I think it is, I think
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: you're absolutely right.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: It's okay, So maybe I know two people who used
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: to be femdoms, because I don't think you've met I
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: don't think you've met her, and I don't want to
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: out the person that I'm thinking of.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, so all right, we'll keep it there.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: We'll keep it there. Okay, that sounds good. We don't
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: need to be outing anybody's past. But I know somebody
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: that used to be a femdom for money. Well, just
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I'll put it that way. But in any case, we
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: also have Meredith g gave us five dollars instead HBr
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: top four eight honey for the Badgers, and then we
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: got another one. Richard Pierre just gave us five dollars instead.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: A factor to consider is how many healthcare professionals are
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: practicing cookie cutter medicine, and when a patient presents in
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: a manner that doesn't neatly fit into one of the
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: cookie cutter shapes. Hi the chick they got and got
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: diagnosed with autism and Ayler's dan Los syndrome at fifty three,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: fifty fifty two last year, so fifty two. The solution
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: is to on a good day, find the closest shape
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: to what is presented on other days it is the
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: most recommended shape, whether or not it remotely resembles the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: perceived shape, and then make it fit with the bigger hammer.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I suspect that the bullying by caregivers is trying to
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: force patients into one of the standardized shapes that they
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: feel most comfortable in treating. So one of the examples
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I have for you my grandmother had very very strict
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: views on end of life and what she wanted and
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: what she did not want. And one of the things
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: that she said is that if she needed a fee
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: eating tube, that that meant she was ready to die,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: and we were not to ever do a feeding tube
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: for her, that, you know, unless they were certain that
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: it would lead to her survival and recovery. Well, she
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: was in her late seventies and having many many strokes
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: from the type of ailor's dan list that I have,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: and it was basically like Alzheimer's fast forward. So what
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: you would normally see, you know, ten to fifteen years
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: happened in ten to fifteen years time happened to a
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: person with Alzheimer's disease. We saw with my grandmother in
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: about eighteen months and she ended up in the hospital
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: because of an illness. And you know, she might have
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: recovered from the illness if she wasn't already in bad
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: enough health. She really was not wanting to eat. She
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: was ready to pass away, and she was she kind
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: of decided she was just done, and so you know,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: they were they started recommending, well, we want to put
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: her on a ventilator, we want to put her on
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: a feeding too, we want to put her on a
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: glucose strip and all this other stuff. But my mom said,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: she has a living will. Here is what it says,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: here is what you may do, here is what you
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: may not do. And she was very clear, right, And
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: so we started there's the vigil with Grandma that we
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: were staying in the hospital with her and everything, and
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: everybody had different times where they had to be out
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to go to work, to to you know, get food
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: things like that, and come back. And this doctor found
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: like just a just a twenty minute window where Grandpa
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: was the only person in the room with Grandma and
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: my grandpa, he he had, you know, one of those
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: hearts that it it looks on the outside right, like
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: it's it's as protected as a galvanized steel. It looks
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: on the outside like you you couldn't you couldn't shoot
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: through it, bulletproof heart, right. But it only looks that
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: way until somebody is having a rough time or he
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: thinks that he might be responsible for somebody else's paint.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: And then you discover that my my grandfather's heart is soft,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: softer than talcum powder, almost like pudding, right, And then
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I say, is he's been gone for years? But yeah,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: you know, you had to protect Grandpa from being taken
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: advantage of because he just wanted to be be there
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: for people and help people. He wanted people to be
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: comfortable around him, and he wanted people to be happy.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: And there were a lot of flaws that you could
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you could point out, but that wasn't one of them.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: In huge heart. So this doctor comes in and starts
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: telling him that Grandma's going to die in pain because
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: she's not getting food in her belly, that it's going
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to be a horrible death, and it's all his fault.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: He's starving her death, he's killing her. And he just
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: kept at him until he gets Grandpa to sign the paper,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and it if one of us had gotten back, like
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: two minutes earlier. They were literally walking out of the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: room with the paper signed paper by Grandpa when when
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: we came back in, and I've always kind of suspected
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: that we were watched and sort of pressured out of
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: that room to make space for that, and instead of
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: instead of listening to the rest of the family, they
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: went ahead and they wheeled her out, They put a
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: feeding two bind, they wheeled her back in same bed
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and everything did the procedure very quickly, and when Grandma
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: woke up from anesthetic she pulled it out. We lost
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: her in about two hours. That is how little they care.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: They don't It doesn't occur to them that it's it's
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: people that they're dealing with. That procedure is doctor recommended,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: so you got the ego factor, and then they can
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: bill for that procedure, so you got the money factor, right.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: And then also they worry that if they don't nag
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: you into a procedure that later on you're going to
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: sue them for not doing it, so they're covering their ass.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: But they didn't give a rats ass about what my
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: grandmother thought. That was one that was one that was
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I'm still when I talk about that like I'm ready
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: to punch something right now, and you know, that's one
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: of many, and it makes it it makes it that
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: much worse. My grandmother was one of the most ethical, loving,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: and caring healthcare practitioners during her career. I wish I
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: could tell you everything about her. She and my grandfather
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: and their kids. All three of them did something absolutely
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: remarkable during their lifetime. But I'm afraid that I if
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I out who she was and what she did, that
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: the facility that still exists in her name would get
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: harassed by people who hate us. Because We've had so
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: many other forms of harassment. And when I say harassed,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: and I don't mean people on the internet, saying nasty
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: things to us. We've had bomb threats, We've had people
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: send videos of people being beheaded to some of the
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: men and the men's rights movement and say, you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: this should happen to you. It's it's incredibly gross. We've
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: had actual physical threats, and then we've had the types
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of threat TOIDs that feminists complain about. And so I
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: really can't tell you. You know, I shouldn't tell you,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: but yeah, Roboto one, two, three, four, five, six seven
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: gave us a dollar said, is that not when you
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: is not that when you place grands on hospice care?
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: We were making arrangements, so at that point we were
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: we knew she was dying, we were making arrangements, and
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: we were staying with her in the hospital, and and
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: then that happened. I also got a bit of a
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: reminder from Richard Bierre in our chat about the nurse.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: So I'm a I'm an intactivist. A lot of people
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: already know that, and of course I have a son,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: so obviously the reason that I'm an intactivist is because
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I did my research when I was pregnant and then
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: had some very serious conversations with my family, My husband.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: You know, my parents couldn't didn't have Grandma around anymore
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: to ask questions. But the more that you know, I
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: looked into it, and the more that we talked about it,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: the more that we decided it was a dumb idea
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: to take that choice away from him when he was
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: an infant, when he could just as safely make it
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: later in life when he was old enough to consent
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: to it. There wasn't a valid reason to do that,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: So we didn't. Right. But when I was in the
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: hospital after delivery and I was in a state of
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I was drugged, We'll just leave it at that. They
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: they gave me. They gave me a painkiller because they
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: had cut me open. So I had he holed up
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: in the ribcage when he found out the political environment
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: in the world, and they had to go in after
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: him with a knife, like coming out no, But uh,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: she comes in. This nurse comes in, right, she's she's like,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go do the circumcision. I'm like, I'm not,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not consenting to a circumcision. We're not doing that. No,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And so she goes, Okay, well, we need you to
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: sign a refusal form or or it'll be done, which
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: was bullshit. They need a consent form signed to get
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: any medical procedure like that. But she brought it in,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: and you know, I figured i'd sign a refusal form
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: if I had to, because I was going to protect
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: my son from having any opening unnecessary opening created and
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the biggest organ in his immune system, the skin, especially
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: inside a diaper that was gonna end up soiled regularly
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: because he was an infant and infants are incontinent. So
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: she comes in with his paper and there were two
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: parts to this paper. It had a consent and a
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: refusal section. They were separate sections. There was a line
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: between them. Each part had a place where you sign.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: She points on the consent part, here's where you sign,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: hands to me the clipboard, and then I read it
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: because I didn't trust her, because I learned the hard
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: way that you cannot just trust medical professionals, you know,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: with with my grandmother. Sure enough she was she was
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: trying to trick me into consenting for the circumcision. She
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: just directing me to sign. She was so mad. I
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: signed the correct spot where it said I refused, and uh,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: she grabbed that thing, and yeah, when she left the room,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever ever heard somebody in
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: high heels walk down, uh, walk along a floor that's
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: like those those great, big wide tiles on top of cement,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: and it's like crack and she gets out in the
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: hallway and she's like, it didn't work, So I know
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: it was on purpose. Oh yeah, it didn't work. You
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: damn right, it didn't work. Ditch wow. Yeah, and he
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: was not eleven pounds. Who was it that said that?
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Let me see here that not eleven pounds. He was
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: nine pounds. He was a big boy, but he wasn't
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: that big.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: That's insane. That's insane. Number one, that you thought you
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: could just say that and nobody was going to hear it.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like what like the Hubris yep. So this
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: is if you understand, y'all understand when I'm worried about this.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it because you know, I'm a
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: weirdo conspiracy theorist, right. I'm worried about it because over
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: and over and over again, I have watched medical personnel
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: be unethical. I worked at a nursing home in the nineties,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: in the early nineties that I ended up having to
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: report to the state because they were breaking the law
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: with regard to how many personnel they had on the floor,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: and that the percentages that they were supposed to have.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: You had to have a ratio of no more than
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: fourteen patients to one nurse's aid. And that's pushing it,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: by the way, especially if you know most of them
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: are mobility challenged and several of them need assistance. Some
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: things can happen to you in your old age where
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: you can't even feed yourself, and so you need somebody
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: who can take time and be compassionate and careful feeding you.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: But if you have four people to feed in thirty
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: minutes and you're going to get in trouble if you
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: don't do it, it's very difficult to maintain a compassionate,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: caring pace and attitude. Right, same thing with getting fourteen
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: people dressed who can't help you, and they were they
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: doubled it. We had one nurse's aid to twenty eight people. Repeatedly,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I told them where they could get help with that,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: where they could get temp workers who were state tested
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: nurses' aids that could come in and at least, you know,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: help be the second person on the floor. Even if
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: they had to team up with another person, and it
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: was two people had twenty eight patients for that day
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: instead of one person. It still would have been better
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: than just one. And I actually got written up for
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: bringing that up, and I went up the chain of
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: command like we were supposed to, and each time I
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: was called on the carpet for bringing that up, and
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: they weren't going to fix it, and I wasn't allowed
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: to talk about it anymore. So I finally went to
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the state and the state umbudsman for the elderly. By
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: the way, when you talk to them on the phone,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: if you give them information like that, they will be
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: very that. They'll sound very nice and very polite and
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: deceptively calm. But when she walked into that nursing home,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the voice of God came out of that woman. Who
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: put that over there? Why is that woman sitting alone?
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: What is going on over here with this man? He
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't even have you know, do you have a license
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: for that restraint? And she was like, right on down
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: the line, not a license, but there's a medical order
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you have to get if you're going to put somebody
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: in restraints. You can't just do it because they're difficult
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: and that was happening at that nursing home as well.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: They fired everybody from the head nurse on up. They
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: put people in jail, They took over, the state took
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: over the nursing home, and then ran it for six
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: months while the company restructured and came back and revamped
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: the entire process. Next time that I was in there,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: which was years later to visit somebody else that my
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: family knew, it was significantly better. It was actually really good.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: But again, you know, it was about money, it was
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: about not having to do a certain level of work,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: and they didn't really care about the people that that
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: were the most important people in the system, the patients.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: So it's very difficult in healthcare to deal with that,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: and there is a lot, a lot of unethical behavior.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: And so this is this is why I've run out
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: of patients when it comes to arguing with people about circumcision,
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: because yeah, people get really set in their ways about
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: things that are just considered traditional just because the considered traditional.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: And I'm okay with that when it comes to things
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: like winnings and funerals, but when it comes to things
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: like mutilating the sexual body parts of humans, like you
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: keep encountering these people who can't like, they can't argue
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: logically because of the sunken cost fallacy, Like if it
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: turns out what they've been doing is wrong all this time,
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: then it turns out what they've been doing is generously
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: mutilating humans for no good reason, and it's you can't
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: get through to people who are who are who are
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: sunk into that particular sunken cost, and you can see why.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: And this is why I've just run out of energy
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: when it comes to arguing with these people, because they're
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: not arguing from any logical or intellectual or emotional standpoint.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: They're just well, we've always been doing this, so we
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: have to keep doing this. And we're like, but what
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: about the enormous amount of pain, the enormous amount of unnecessary,
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: completely unnecessary pain that we're dealing to eight day old babies?
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Can we not?
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: And of course they can't come to terms with what
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: they've done. How could they ever? That's what we mean
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: by the sunken cost fallacy. Yeah, like, once you're this
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: deep into it, like either you've been doing the right
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: thing or you've been doing the very worst thing, like
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: the conceptually even possibly worst thing you could possibly do
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: to human beings general, generally torturing them at eight days old,
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: so of course they can't come back from the hospitality.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: They're just going to keep. And you know, it's always
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: difficult arguing with someone who who's determined to be a
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: fucking ass about it is determined, determined to be an
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: oxen or an ass about it. Just huh, no, this
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: isn't wrong, This can never be wrong.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Ha.
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: No, Kevin Bacon did not appear in Footloose. I'm just
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: doing the fucking family guy sketch thing. But it applies
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: so much more to these people who have been just
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: generatically torturing babies for so long that like, why would
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: they ever why would they ever come to terms with
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: what they've done. It's impossible, because if you ever come
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: to terms with what you've done, then what you've done
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: is the worst thing that can ever be done. You're
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: generously torturing babies, like how like why? And you just
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: have to keep inventing this bullshit forever to stop you
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: from coming to terms with the fact that you've done
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: the worst thing ever, Yes, worst thing ever. There were
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: Aztecs who were lopping off people's heads on the top
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: of the pair. But to be honest, wopping off people's
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: foreskins when they're eight days old is even worse, isn't it?
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: That is even worse, isn't it?
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: It creates Uh, it creates a lifetime of problems, some
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: of which the individual will rationalize, but they still exist
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: even if you rationalize them. Yeah. So torturing someone is
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: a face fate worse than death. And it gets visited
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: upon infant boys within the first few hours of life
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: when they have no concept of time because they haven't
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: experienced it yet. But uh yeah, uh. And and this
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: is the only procedure that is advocated for uh that
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: involves such a dramatic procedure, the amputation of flesh, the
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: removal of skin, which, like I said, that's the biggest
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: organ in your body is your skin. It is an organ.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: It is the biggest organ in your immune system, and
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: it is your your primary barrier against any bacteria that
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: just lands on you or bacteria that comes out of
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: your body and needs to be gotten rid of. And
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: if you don't have that barrier, the underlying tissue can
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: get infected. And this is one of the biggest things
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: for me about like the first thing that made me
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: just just squeamish, just a little squeamish about you know,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I was on the no side to begin with. Basically,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: it was the idea that, all right, the skin is
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: there to prevent these these bacteria from getting to the
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: underlying tissue that can get infected. And some of the
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: worst bacteria is in feces, which is gonna end up
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: in the diaper because the kid is going to poop
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: in the diaper like he's supposed to. That's you know,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: what happens when they're babies. It's it's predictable. You know
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: for a fact that that feces is going to get
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: on that wound, and uh, you don't know for a
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: fact that any bandaging you have is going to fully
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: protect it, especially if it's also wet. Right, Why on
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: earth would you do that? Why would you create that risk?
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: It seems like the stupidest idea to ever be created
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: by humankind. We should just routinely do this to children.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: And before anybody who's like, oh no, this was God's idea, No, no, no, no,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: not what we do today, that was not. And furthermore,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, it also wasn't done in infancy
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: during the period of incontinence after childbirth was done at
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: like the age of thirteen, big difference. Thirteen year olds
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: can control their bowel movements. But yeah, you can't just
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: you can't just put you know, some kind of over
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: the counter like somebody's mentioning neosporin. Yeah, I wouldn't trust
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: neosporin to be the barrier there. I would want something
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: much more perfect for that job, like skin, which is
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: why we ain't cut anything off. But yeah, people make
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: all these medical arguments. Nothing that dramatic is done in
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: any other type of medical condition for such a tiny
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: little gain. As as well, we think that maybe, based
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: on this research in which we screwed up our data
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: by using condoms, we think that maybe at least part
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: of the benefit came from from circumcision. Tiny tiny little benefit.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Oh and there's also a minuscule reduction in the chances
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: of penile cancer that also is dwarfed by the benefits
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: of condom use. And also being picky with who you
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: fuck around with, you know, pardon my French, but STIs
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: are much more easy to avoid if you just don't
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: engage in hookup culture. Maybe save it for marriage or
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: you know, like not not that I like the government
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: being involved a committed relationship, preferably lifetime one. And it's
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: it's easy for a gen x er to say that,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: like we we ended up in the the tail end
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: of the baby boomer and their baby boomer sexual revolution
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: and all that bullshit. Right, So there's a lot of
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: gen xers with regrets, not regrets as in like, gosh,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: I hate this person now, I wish I hadn't done anything,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: but you know, gosh, I sure did take a lot
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: of unnecessary risks that that was dumb. Thank goodness, I
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: didn't lose the gamble, but shitload of other people did
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: because you have a you know, if you look at
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: the number of diagnoses out there, and if there was
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: actually only one per person, about half the population would
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: be infected with Sti's right now. Roboto one, two, three, four, five,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: sixty seven gave us a dollar and said, circumcision is debatable.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Female circumcision always a no in the West, it used
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: to be. Now that we're importing other cultures to replace
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: American voters. Is at least one judge in Michigan that
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: decided that laws against female circumcision are unconstitutional. Women voted
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: for that.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: That was.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Real smart one, ladies, you stuck your foot in it.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: We're trying to go the other direction. We're trying to
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: get things not done to any babies, not increase the
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: number and scope of babies that get this done to them.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: So with it fully established the medical community, the medical profession,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: and you know, as ethical as many people can be,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: it definitely includes some very scarily unethical people here. And
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: remember we've been looking at this article up to this point.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: The only argument we have seen is this does this
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: is needed sometimes right and questioning how we're going to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: do it is a vote for the stutus quo. Mister
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Nube gave us two dollars and said, just sending some cash.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you, mister Nube. So here's where we were last week.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: We read I think this part and I'm going to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: read it again and then continue through the debate. Proponents
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: of the bill sought to argue that MP's could not
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: allow the stutus quo to persist, you know, kind of
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: the status quo where we don't kill people. The labor
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: MP David Burton Samson said his Christian beliefs had meant
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: he was initially against assisted dying, but the exertions from
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: constituents who described their loved ones dying and excruciating pain
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: had persuaded him to support it. In my view, the
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: bill has more controls than it had. The debate has
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: been ongoing for many years. It has gone through hours
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: of scrutiny. I believe in choice, and I believe while
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: I believe assisted dying, I think it's not for me.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: It should be the choice of others or for others,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: he said. Many speaking in support of the bill told
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: some of the hardest moments of their lives, such as
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: the Conservative and p Mark Garnier. Maybe that's Garnier and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I know who spoke of his mother's drawn out death
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: from pancreatic cancer. That's another terrible one. Pancreatic cancer, liver cancer.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Those both are tortuous ways to die. There, there's a
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: lot of ways to die that really suck, especially certain
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: health conditions. He said. She had endured more suffering and
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: anguish compared with a constituent with the same disease who
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: ended their life under assisted dying laws in Spain. Labors
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: is that show ban? Is that how us pronounced? It's
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: s I O B H A I N. I think
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: it's Irish. I don't know. Mike. Are you here?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: I muted?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Are you I think he.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Did?
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: What did you want?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: All right? You might not be any better at this,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: but it's spelled s I O B H A I N.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: And it looks like it's Irish because it's got von
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: okay chevon Chavon. McDonagh's voice broke with emotion, describing her
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: sister's death from brain cancer and her fears her life
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: would have been shortened had such a low existed sooner.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: From both Labor and and the Conservatives, there were warnings
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: that the bill would herald a watershed moment that could
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: not be undone. The Mother of the House, Labor MP
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Diane Abbott, said MP's could have pose or should have
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: pose the bill on behalf of the marginalized. I came
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: to this house to be a voice for the voiceless.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Who could be more voiceless than someone who is in
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: their sick bed and believes they are dying. I ask
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: members in this debate speak up for the voiceless one
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: more time. Abbot said, this is a difficult one. Right.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: There are people who have been given terminal diagnoses that
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: they survived. And you know, it's not always like me,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: where I just happened to be born in between, where
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: asthma was widely untreatable or not very treatable, and when
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: it became a lot more treatable and they recognized that
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: just because it was exercised induced didn't mean you couldn't exercise.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to more like people who have gotten to
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: a stage of cancer where they said, you have no
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: chance of survival. We're not going to do chemo and
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: radiation or radical surgery or anything. We're going to call
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: in hospice, and then the person went off and tried
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: something else and had to turn around. It's rare, but
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: it happens. My eighth grade homeroom teacher's husband was one
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: of those cases where now they did do chemo and radiation,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: but they told him that he was probably going to
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: die anyway. This was the last resort the chances of
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: him getting through it. And similarly, you know, I I
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: have a friend that was given a twenty five percent
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: chance to survive, not with cancer, but a surgery that
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: she had to have, and if she didn't have it,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: she was definitely going to die. And the only reason
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: they did it was because she was young, so and
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: she survived, went on and continued to live for years
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: and years before she had any more serious health conditions
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: from that particular diagnosis. So it's a terminal diagnosis, doesn't
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: necessarily like they can't they're they're not getting information from
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: the grim Reaper himself coming along and saying, Okay, here's
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: what I'm going to show up, so you can tell them.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: They're they're whistling in the dark to a degree, like,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: this is what usually happens, So this is what we're
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: going to tell the patient. We can tell them the
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: rare good side of it and the rare bad side
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: of it, but this is what usually happens. So this
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: is what we're going to tell the patient. And you know,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: the rare good side of it has the good ending.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: So if they have a situation where somebody's wanting to
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: commit suicide because they're afraid they're going to experience the
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: bad end of it, the laws should protect and by
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: ensuring that least get to a point where you know
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: that you're not getting the good end of it, even
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: if it even if it means you have to go
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: through some portion of that suffering because if you have
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: a chance to get better, you should at least try.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I always say never accept an expiration date from a physician.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: They could be wrong. Two MP's the conservative MP Tom
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: this looks like tugging hat is that that can't be right?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: And laborers, why the fuck are you guys doing this
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: to me? Laborers chat enurrah were They said they were
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: deeply concerned about the fundamental shift in the role of
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: the state giving it the power to end life. I
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: know other people's names are not an attack on me.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: I went to school with a teacher whose last name
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: was Chaplinsky. I shouldn't have this kind of problem. But
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: that's the difference between Polish and uh Irish. I guess
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: labor m P Vicky Foxcroft who resigned resigned a whip
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: on Thursday night. I don't even know what that means. Okay, Mike,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: are you there?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Oh no, he's outside smoking.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they maybe that's a typo and it was
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: resigned as whip on Thursday night.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: The whip to somebody in the in the in the party.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: It's like as the lead rip.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: So it's like in the US, where either majority whip
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: or the minority whip.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, yeah, so.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: It probably is a typo resigned as whip. That's that
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: makes sense. On Thursday, thank you, Richard uh in protest
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: at the government's disability cut, spoke against the bill, citing
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: her fears for disabled people, as many campaigners protested outside Parliament.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: This is a big one, the cuts, because the cuts
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: going to affect me as well.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: And they're cutting if if I understand correctly, and I
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: haven't actually read anything that wasn't somebody else's comments on this,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: so I could be wrong, But if I understand correctly,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: they're cutting a little of everything.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the kind PIP, the kind of the disability elements
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: to unifossil credit. The cut will chessupport the cut and
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: the disability services as well. And they still want to
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: bring in the uphilation bill.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: And see this is the thing I'm afraid of, right
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: because there's not a pause button on disability. You don't
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: become less disabled because the government decides they want to
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: take austerity measures. And I am all for austerity when
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: it comes to people whose life choices have made them
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: dependent on government, right, Like where you know all you
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: decide you're going to become intertwined with some dipshit that
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: you know you're not going to raise children with, but
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: you're also not going to use enough birth control to
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: prevent conception. And then instead of you know, putting your
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: baby up for adoption in a time when there are
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: many people who want children who cannot have children of
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: their own, you decide you're going to raise the child.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: But obviously not with that guy. So you're gonna do
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: it yourself. And by the way, you're not really gonna
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: work that much. You're gonna live in In the US,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: it would be called Section eight. I think in the
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: US UK it's called council housing.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, because they want me because they want
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: me to go into council house and at some point as.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Well, which is a is a change because you're in
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: a group setting right now, right.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in a group saying right now, but they
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: want me to go into independent living at some point.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: So, and they'll they'll push people into independent living who
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: are maybe not fully capable of it.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but with the current cuts and every think that's
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: been happening, so with PIT purpose out of so with
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: PIT people claim PIT kind of work what they can't
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: or they don't work. So PIT is a in the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: work benefit. So you can claim PIT and still work
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: to sixteen hours a week. So with PIP they pay
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: your cares or any equivalent read for your disability.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: And and uh and then you are still able to
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: earn a basically a very part time income.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, most most part time workers that I know about
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: work like minimum twenty four hours a week.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: But you have to report every every income you have
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: to the DWP.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: It's similar to SSI. It's supplemental security income. It's like
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Social Security, but for people who aren't eligible for Social Security.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: And uh So, if you become disabled in between the
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: day that you turn eighteen and the day that you
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: have finished working the number of quarters of work that
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: you have to have under your bell to qualify for
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: full Social Security, they do something called supplemental security and
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: it's a fraction of what you would get for Social Security,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: and you are supposed to be allowed to have some
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: to do some work and receive that.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: And also the attacks on the disabled people have gone
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: up by ten over the past year. Was the because
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: of the British press.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: And that's the media demonizing disabled people as the reason
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: why the country has to do these austerity majors and
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: people then attacking physically attacking disabled people in the street.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: Well on the statistics is one point two billion grows
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: unclaimed each year and the disability bill, WoT isn't that
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: expensive as the government says it is and saying that
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: keeps saying pension isn't part of the benefit the benefits system,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: which it is, and that's the one that's costed the
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: worst money. Yep.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: That makes sense too, especially right now because the biggest
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: generation alive has been drawing that for a while.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: And also the pensionless are the pensions don't really like
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: the disabled that much because they think from a drain
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: on the system.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: That happens here in the US. Two because they shoved
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: disability and retirement both into the social security system. But
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: the social security system for retirement wasn't supposed to be
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: a thing that most people relied on. It was supposed
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: to be a supplement that that you know, if you
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: rely on it, it's because something went wrong, not this
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: is your retirement yee.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: The British state printing is two hundred and forty four
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: pounds a week. That's the British state. That's the British
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: state printing across the board.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not quite even sure how much that is in
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: dollars because I know I don't know the transfer rate.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: But all the pound is very bad. Noah.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: The last time I was in the UK, it was
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: it was almost it was worth almost twice as much
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: as as a dollar. But I don't know if that's
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: still the case, but I do know this, it's it's
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: difficult now for for elderly an elderly couple with any
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: level of age related disabilities to live on, Like we don't.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: They don't do weekly, they do month monthly, right, and
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: like twenty four hundred would be like six hundred a week,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: twenty four hundred a month would be would actually be difficult,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: you know, it'd be so if you were young and healthy,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: you probably could do it fairly well. But it was expected,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: it was expected that Americans would save for retirement and draw,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: not draw social Security unless they needed it. And then
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: it became quickly treated as everybody has a right to
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: collect this and should and as soon as you hit
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: sixty five you start collecting it, and so because everybody
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: pays into it, right. The same thing with the Medicare system,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: which is a state run retirement insurance system. So if
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: you don't have some other type of insurance, and because
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: Medicare exists, a lot of insurance companies pretty much expect
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: you to stop being insured by regular insurance UH when
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: you hit sixty five or they just won't cover you.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: You have to depend on this, the state run service
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: in it rations care as well.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: So in the so my mom's my mom's CAHM is
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: a fast some how of the week that the cam
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: that she's in now, and then once I found out
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: that she had a classical the kind of like training
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: train training her account now.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: And they will do that too. And this is something
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: that happens in the US as well, and in fact,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: there's a thing that happens here where there have there
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: have been elderly people in the United States have been
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: pushed into nursing homes by uh their local governments, where
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: they'll do wellness checks that nobody asked for and then
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: just determined during the wellness check that these people can't
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: take care of themselves, even if they've been taking care
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: of themselves just fine. And the next thing you know,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: they're in the state run nursing home. And the nursing
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: home has forced them, the system has forced them to
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: sell off their house and you know, they've assigned somebody
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: to handle it. So they've sold off their house for
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: them and their property, and it just it seems to
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: only happen to people who own property. It doesn't seem
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: to be happening they they're not going into apartment complexes
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: and doing this.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: No, I've seen that there's a documentary that they put
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: out on Netflix about this very thing, about how there
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: are insurance companies and might not be insurance companies. Don't
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: hold me to that, but anyway, there are people who
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: are scamming these older people, getting into you know, their
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: older age and you know, having them deemed medically unfit
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: to uh you know, sustained results. Yeah, and buying what
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: stealing their houses right and all of their properties. And
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: it's just disgusting the elder abuse that happens here because
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: you know, people are greedy and.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: And it's again, you know, the idea that the medical
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: profession is ethical very very questionable. They should be all ethical.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Everybody in the medical profession should be entirely ethical, and
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: it should be one of the most strictly watched professions.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: It's it's on par with or possibly even highhigher than
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: law enforcement in threat potential even without this bill. Right,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: but this, like she says, the vast majority of disabled
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: people and their organizations oppose it. That's a big clue
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: right there. If the vast majority of disabled people and
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: their organizations are opposing a right to die law, there's
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of disabilities that lead to very painful or
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable deaths. And you know what happened to my mom
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: as she got older. Degenerative disk disease is horrible. My
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: elementary school friend who killed herself in adulthood killed herself
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: because her degenerative disk disease was just destroying her and
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: the pain was unbearable and there was no treatment for it,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: and she couldn't get the help that she needed, and
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: she was in pain all the time, and so she
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: killed herself. Right. My mom was a close second there
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: in that she chose to go into a hospital right
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: in the in the heat of the COVID crisis. Mom
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: was five foot five when I was a little kid.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: She was never tall. She was just average, right, little
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: above average, but just average, I'm sorry, a little below average.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: But she she was four foot eleven when she went
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: into the hospital. She couldn't stand up straight. She bent
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: to the left at her waist, and her spine was
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: shaped like that and it had just slowly gotten that way.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: So she made this decision because she had so many
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: pinched nerves from so many collapsed discs and bone spurs
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: from an accident that had happened, you know, thirty years earlier,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: that forty years actually earlier. That she just could not
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: stand it. She couldn't live with it anymore. And I
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: didn't know this. My brother told me later. She said,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: if I die, I die. I can't live with this,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: so I have to have this done. Maybe it'll relieve
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: the pain if they fix the problems in my spine.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: And that was, you know, the last conversation that they
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: had in person. And so this this is.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: It.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: Disabled people are looking at this and going this could
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: be very bad. That's a bad sign, and especially if
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: their organizations are that way. Richard Bierre said, there was
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: another super chow, so I'm looking and it is there.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: Gave us five dollars and said, one really serious problem
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: with a cookie cutter approach to medicine is when the
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: patient doesn't neatly fit into a standardized shape. Somehow, some
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: staff act as if the patient is intentionally being difficult
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: and it's being a problem patient just to make things
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: more difficult for the staff as a way to oppress them.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: I think I told you guys the story of what
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: happened when Mom was in the hospital and they had
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: a mat heror with her and they gave her a
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: medicine that set offered her restless leg syndrome. And restless
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: leg syndrome is where it feels like almost like there's
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: electricity going through your legs. It's not white the same,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: but you get this tension and I can only describe
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: it as a tension in your nerves and it starts
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: in you know, your lower back and goes down through
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: your legs and you have to move. And sometimes it's
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: so bad that moving isn't voluntary. It just happens. And
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: it got so bad for my mom that she'd be
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: trying to sleep and all of a sudden she would
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: can can kick. I mean like knee inches from her
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: nose can can kick. And this was at seventy three
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: years old. She's pretty flexible for a seventy three year old,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: but she had a joint mobility disorder. Aailor's dan lows
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: causes connective tissue damage and weakness, so you don't it's weird.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: And because of the accident that we were in, she
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: was in a car accident where she was impacted at
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: over fifty miles an hour for sure, and she was
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: hit so hard she was thrown out of her seat
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: into the next seat over. Bone spurs are a scar tissue,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: and her bones just kept re scarring over and over again.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: And they can happen from other causes, any kind of impact,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: any kind of trauma to your bones, soft tissue damage
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: that causes your bones to get out of place, and
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: then suddenly something doesn't seem right to your tissue and
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: it grows a spur, and it's extremely it can be
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: excruciatingly painful. All it has to do is touch a
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: nerve that isn't used to being touched by anything but
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: soft tissue, and now there's a little bit of bone
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: sticking into it, which is what they're they call a
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: pinch nerve. Sometimes it's pinched between two bones, and sometimes
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: it just has to have impact from something and it
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: feels like there's hot steel being shoved down through your leg.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: It's it's excruciating. So Senior Stick says President Trump claimed
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: bone spurs. If he has that problem, it's amazing that
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: he's on his feet. Anybody that's had psiatic nerve pain
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: knows what I'm talking about. But yeah, Thomas Cook says,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: a vast majority of restless leg syndrome is due to
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: magnesium and calcium imbalance. And that's true. But when they
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: can't fix it with that, and it's in somebody with
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: degenerative disc disease, it is often caused by pinched nerves.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: I have it because of pinched nerves.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: I have that because of the high avoid yep.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: That causes that imbalance. And yeah, yeah, that's that's where
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: he said. Especially does it hit you like when you're
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: trying to get to sleep, like right at that moment
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: where you're starting. That's what happens to my body.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: My body gets ultimately and I will and I will
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: pass out from time to time, and by will and
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: I will have see I will have not seizious, but
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: I will get all shaky.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: It can look like a seizure. It definitely looks weird
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: when it happens because you're like moving and and it
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: just looks like you're just throwing your limbs around for
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: no reason.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's because they thought I had epilepsy
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: when I was a kid, but it was just the
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: hype avoidism.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep. And and uh, there are a lot of
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: people that they have a difficult time sometimes diagnosing it
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: because of that. It's just like if you get somebody
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: that that does a lot of stemming, like constant stemming
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: in the m r d D population, and they're also
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: on a psych med they might get diag they misdiagnosed
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: with tart of dyskinesia. But when you watch the behavior,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: if it's under their control, and but they're doing it
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: in times of high stress, Yeah, it's a kind of
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: kind of a clue that you know that's not dyskinesia,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: that's stemming, especially if it's particularly stemming type behaviors.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: The doctors m messed up because they removed my spleen
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: because they thought you stop something, but it didn't, so
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: they removed it. They removed my spleen when they didn't
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: really have but they didn't need.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: To, and unnecessary procedure.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: And I still and I still, we said my mom
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: because of it.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: That's the difficult thing. A lot of parents, especially boomer
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: age parents, really trusted doctors and weren't expecting.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: To be.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: Told something was absolutely necessary unless it was proved to
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: be absolutely necessary. It's one of the reasons why circumcision
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: ended up so common in the US, because they made
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: this big deal about how necessary and important it was.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: Because the remove of west blame because I also immune disease,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: that that kind of farmed it up a little bit.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: Made it worse. Yeah, I can see how that would happen. Yeah,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: ge pets and and that this is this is a
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: common thing too. I wish it wasn't. But when they
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: get somebody that has a combination of health problems, you know,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: like my mom or like me, and it's hard for
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: him to diagnose, like like Richard, you know, any of
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: those where it's not just one thing. And because it's
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: not just one thing, the spectrum of symptoms is a
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: little too broad, and they have difficulty fitting you into
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: a particular category. They take this throw everything at the
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: wall and see what sticks approach, and it's not good
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: when they do that with drugs and surgery. If they
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: do that with let's try these exercises let's try changing
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: your diet and if it doesn't fix it, then you
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: go back to what you're worrying, you know. Things like that.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: Those are things that are life changes that can be temporary,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: Like they could even be beneficial. But a lot of
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: times they will go straight for drugs and surgery when
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: Because over the years, I've had some experiments with drugs
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: that kind of mocked me up. I was on Star
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: Wars for the longest time. So the longest time I
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: was on Star Wars was like for three years, and
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: that messed me up a lot because that I was
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: on Star Wars joined when I was like phone twelve
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: to fourteen.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: They don't get me started on steroids. We'll be here
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: all night. That's when they're really bad about.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the deput me on some other medication
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: as well. And with the war in Iran, my medication
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: is it's one in low because off the boot that
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: my medication takes over there, because of the books of
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: the books of the supply chain.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's happening to a lot of people
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: in the UK as well, Like that's it's happening to
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: disabled people. It's happening. I know to diabetics because I've
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: heard from other people there's an insulin shortage like it's
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: it's really bad. And of course the medical system there
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: is not helping right, So there's there's plenty of good
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: reasons why they want uh more caution with regard to
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: this bill. The official reverse Traditionalism channel on YouTube gave
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: us three dollars and said, have you seen the dot
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: the do No Harm dot report website by Intact America
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: where you can report a forced retraction or circumcision accident. No,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: I did not see that. I have seen some other
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: important information on a do no Harm dot It's do
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: No Harm dot com. I believe it. No, it's dot org.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: It's dot org. I'm gonna double check and make sure.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: Now I think I have that in my intactivist links
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: on breaking the Glasses dot blogspot dot com, which if
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: you go there, you look on the if you're on
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: a you're a regular computer, you look on the right
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: hand side of the page. You'll find all of my
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: pages with special things that are not just blog posts.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: Let me double check and make sure it's not a
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: dot com because there's there's no circue and there's do
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: no harm. And one of them is a dot org
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: if I remember right, at least one of them is huh,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: and my browser won't let me go and check because
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: it's apparently not secure, so I will have to like,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: it won't even show me the option of going anyway.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: That's really bad. I think it's just hiding the website.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: And they said that mothers in America are asked oh
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: h or even just report doctors asking parents if they
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: want surgery. They claim mothers in America are asked if
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: they want a circumcision an average of eight times. That
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me. They really do the hard sell. Here's why. Okay, well,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: it's just a little diversion into the circumcision thing because
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: it's kind of inevitable right in the United States. If
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: a circumcision is done on your baby, at foreskin does
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: not just go in the trash. There are people that
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: have spread the the rumor, the false rumor that when
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: they cut that foreskin off of your baby that it
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: just is disposed of, and they try to even claim
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: that it's medically disposed of. But it's not all right,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: It is sold. And there are people that are like, oh, well,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: it's not all medical facilities. Prove it. Prove there are
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: medical facilities that don't do this, show me receipts, because
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: there is a whole industry around selling neonatal foreskin fibroblasts. Okay,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: neonatal foreskin fibroblasts are tiny sections of skin cells, and
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: there are a broad variety of uses for those skin
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: cells in not just medicine, although it is used in medicine,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: but also the beauty industry. Right, they are highly profitable.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: A very tiny little section of a piece of skin
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: the size of a credit card that can be cut
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: into dozens of tiny little sections, right, uh sells for
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: a few hundred bucks, and that's the first sale. That's
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: just getting it to the place where they're going to
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: use it. It is used to to uh to grow tissue.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: It is used to like to heal burns. It is
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: used those are the those are the two at least
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: halfway decent uses, right that I know of. But it
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: is also it's it's used to uh regrow hair right,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: cure baldness, and it's put in a lot of makeup,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: in a lot of women's skin products. So a lot
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: of women out there, if they've got any product, any
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: product that says, you know, something some fancy ingredient. I
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: don't want to necessarily say collagen, but collagen would come
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: from that if it's not from a plant source. So
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: you have to if you if you're buying, like, you know,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: skin lotion, look for it to say collagen from plant sources,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: because otherwise you don't know if you're getting horse bones
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: or neonatal foreskin thyroblasts. Uh and and it's it's really bad,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: but there's there's actual facial treatments that women get done
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: that they advertise. Foreskin is in this all right.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: I just had to ah, yeah, just as soon as
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: I knew I was unmuted. Yeah, human tissue is being
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: harvested for completely unnecessary beauty products and stuff like that.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: I just had the vanity of a bunch of dick faces.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: I just I just had to. I just had to
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: express that in our language that transcends all of the
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: the statistics were trying to work around, Like at the
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: end of the day, you know what I mean, Like,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: human flesh is being harvested for completely unnecessary, aesthetic, narcissistic women's.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: Excesses and from infants. No less, this isn't people, it's
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: from infants.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: It's really difficult for me to argue with people about
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: this because because the people who are entrenched in this,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: in this argument, they can't they can't ever it's it's
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: something to do with the the sunken cast fallacy. We're
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: so deep into this right now that we are harvesting
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: human body parts, and if we don't keep doing it,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: then we'll have to admit that what we're doing is
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: the worst thing any humans have ever done, like harvesting
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: newborn baby body parts for the sake of making women's
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: skin more soft, Like I.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: We have to do it, like these bitches be ugly.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: We got to do it.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: I can't imagine anything more horrific.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: But that is what is happening.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: Because like, how, like future historians, best of luck to you,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 4: How are you going to explain to the people of
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: the future why this happened or how this happened.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: I guess they're still.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: Trying to explain. They're busy trying to explain what the
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: Aztecs did when they locked people's heads off and rolled
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: them down the fucking pyramid, or how how future history
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: is going to explain how many baby penises we mutilated
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: in in the pursuit of what what? What was? What
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: was it? Again? Women like the look of it, because
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: women like the look of certain things, and so they
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: have to do things too to male humans that even
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: the Aztecs would have gone, hey, wait, wait, stop for
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: a moment. That's mental. Like we're all about chopping people's
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: heads off and rolling down the pyramid, but chopping children's
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: dicks off and then doing and then rubbing them on
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: your face, that's I mean, that's that's like, like, that's
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: like a thousand times worse. Isn't it even what you're
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: doing than anything that's ever happened? Isn't that what you're doing?
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: Considering the fact that the reason that the Aztecs did
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: what they did was because they believed that a god
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: would destroy everyone in in their population if they didn't
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: do it, So for them it was life or death,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: even though it wasn't really they thought it was right
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: that that's at least a uh, you know, it's a
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: terrible cult like belief, but you could at least attribute
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: it to a psychosis, right, whereas circumcision it's just it's
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: it's just excess. It's just excesses, and yeah, it's it's insane.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: We got mister Nube gave us five dollars. Okay, we
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: got a super chat from him. It's and he says,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: it's weird. How much of our behavior if it's completely
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: textbook monic slash satanic behavior? All right, So I would
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: I would go so far as to say that harvesting
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: infant flesh for skin treatments to keep women looking younger
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: than they actually are is cannibalism. Every woman that uses
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: these treatments is a cannibal. If you if you put
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: stuff on your face to make yourself look younger, and
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: and the source of the thing that you're using is
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: a circumcised little boy, you are a cannibal. Every feminist
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: listening to this, that's that's the case. You are a
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: cannibal if you do this. Every woman listening a cannibal.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: If you do this, People cannibalized to stay alive. Yeah,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: people cut up boys foreskins two exfoliate their face. That's
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: that's way worse than whatever you have to do to
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: stay alive. They they mucloting babies so as to make
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: your face look.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: It's more like more backward cultures where animalism was if
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: I eat my enemy's brain, I will become as smart
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: as he was, which I don't know why people did that,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: because you beat him, so you must have been smarter
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: than him to begin with. But you know, I don't
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: understand stuff like that in any case. Yeah, I that's
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: that's the way I feel about it. But uh so,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: back back to the article. Do you get that made here?
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: What did you say the article that gave you a
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: couple of days ago about people funds that pody slip
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: until the sixty.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: Let me look, because I have a whole bunch of
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: messages that I haven't checked the last few days have
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: been nuts. I did, Yes, only over half of adults
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: with learning disabilities do not live past sixty five.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: Because that got me worried last week.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: You gotta remember something about newspaper headlines, right, and this
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: is I'm gonna I'm gonna hedge this with it. Obviously
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: not all. But let's say there's a certain type of
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: automobile that has a harness instead of a seat belt,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: and fifteen percent of automobiles have that they have a
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: harness instead of a seat belt. And then you say
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: there's another two percent of automobiles on the road that
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: were created before seat belts, and they actually lack seat belts.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: So you got the fifteen percent and the two percent.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: Let's say somebody who has to report on that and
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: they want people to panic about that two percent. What
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: they will say is seventeen percent of all vehicles on
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: the road today don't have seat belts. And then when
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: you get deep, deep into the article, you find out
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: that fifteen out of that seventeen percent is actually seat
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: belts with harnesses, and only two percent don't have any
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: form of protection. Yeah, you know, so where I'm going
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: with this is a lot of people with intellectual disabilities.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: Like there's this huge, huge, vast spectrum of intellectual disabilities,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: and there are disabilities that happened due to birth injuries
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: where somebody lacked oxygen when they were born and a
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of things went wrong. When you know, there
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: can be a gene where something went wrong because this
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: gene didn't express the way that it's supposed to, or
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: it's extra or it's uh an inherited mutation that causes problems.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: There are people who don't live for the first three
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: days of their lives. They're born and then and then
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: they're gone because of disabilities that they're born with that
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: are known to cause intellectual disabilities, but the other disabilities
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: that they cause, heart disabilities and other organ disabilities result
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: in organ failure and when they're like three days old,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: and so they take this average, right, oh, this this
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: many people don't live to be sixty five. Well, of course,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna die in the first three days, you
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: don't live to be sixty five. So it doesn't necessarily
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: mean that every person with an intellectual disability has a
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: fifty percent chance of not making it to sixty five.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: What it means is that there is intellectual disabilities occur
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: enough in people with disabilities, you know, genetic differences and
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: birth injuries that can cause organ failure and other fatal
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: conditions that don't make it to sixty five. Because of
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: those that it's that common, It's like it's not. It
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: all depends on what your diagnosis is and what disabilities
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: it causes. About I would say about eighty percent of
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: the people that I have worked with that have intellectual
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: disabilities also have at least one physical disability, But twenty
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: percent of them don't have a physical disability. Of any kind.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: So like there's it is very different depending on what's
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: going on with you, and that that can and that
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: can be true in families too, Like there were generations
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: of my dad's side of the family that lived to
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: be in their nineties and some of them over one hundred,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: and then there was the baby boomer generation and their
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: parents and they all died young, and I think a
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: lot of it was it was changes in the way
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: they were treated. So like I keep saying this to people,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: don't just accept expiration dates from the medical profession, and
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: that that would include the medical journalism profession. But in
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: this instance, this this headline, if I go back and
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: look at it again, I don't think it's in a
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: It's not in a medical journal. It's something else, all right.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: I just looked at that message.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: Damn it.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: I have way too many of these BBC. Yeah, this
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: is from the BBC. So the chances that it is sensationalism,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: and that if you look in the article, like buried
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: in the article, it'll it'll explain something that that indicates
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: that it's more on the physical disabilities side, and it's
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: very specific to things that affect you know, like your heart,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: your lungs, your stuff like that, and then very specific ways,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: and they're they're also counting in berths of infants that
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: aren't going to survive, Like.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: There's a.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: There's a condition called uh, it's not micro it might
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: be a micro and cephalopathy. It's you're born with most
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: without most of your brain in this condition, and usually
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: the baby doesn't live a full day. Right, that's an
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: intellectual disability, So it will be counted in the statistics.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: And so if that didn't happen to you, you're already
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: on the good side of the statistics, you know. So
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: I never trust a source like that with something. You
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: have to read the whole article and then go to
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: the source that that they're drawing their facts from. Me
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: each each thing that they reference, and you read those.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: And if they are referencing things, you have to go
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: to what they're referencing and you read those, because if
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: you know, if you don't do all that, you come
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: away with an impression that's probably not true. Let's see
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: to finish this up. Starmer, a strong supporter of the
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: law the law change, has made his decision to vote
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: at third reading some time ago, but number ten declined
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: to disclose it in advance on the Prime Minister's insistence,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: conscious that making a firm commitment to do so might
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: be too leading when the government was neutral. Now, obviously
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: he's not going to vote on it now right before
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: he quit.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, like I said, he's he's still he's still
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: he's still an MP.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, so he'll still vote on it. Okay. Before the
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: final vote on the bill, MP's passed several new amendments,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: including two from opponents of the bill. That's good. One
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: would bar those who were use food and water from
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: being classified as having a terminal so people on a
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: hunger strike, people can't refuse food and water and then say, well,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: I want to commit suicide though MP's can MP's concerned
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: concerned about anorexias that it may not prevent that slipping
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: through the gap.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: The other would commission a health secretary. Great, the government
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: is going to oversee this. That's to report on the
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: state of pallative care. Palliative care again is if you're
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: dying and they know you're dying in the US, they
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: would call in hospice. There's probably an organization similar to
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: that in the UK. That was mentioned the last time.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: We do have hospice care in the UK as well.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: So okay, okay, that's good because their job isn't to
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: kill people. Their job is to make you as comfortable
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: as they possibly can, and usually, unlike other practitioners, now
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: they're able to do things like giving pain medicine and
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: you know, taking care of any any causes of discomfort
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: that can be alleviated. So for me, when I look
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: at this, you know, I'm not going to say that
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think people should be able to make their
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: own choices, because I do. I think people should be
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: able to make their own choices. I don't think any
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: medical practitioner should be forced to participate, but I think
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: that medical suicide should be limited very strictly to cases
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: that are similar to like with als, where you're going
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: to your death is probably going to be choking and
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: it can be torturous. If your death is going to
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: be torturous and you want to avoid it, I think
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: it's understandable if it's inevitable, like as far as without
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: without killing yourself first. It's not it's not our right
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: to tell somebody they can't do that, but at the
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: same time we should do everything we can to ensure
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: that somebody that's not in that situation isn't getting sucked
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: into that system or tempted into that system, or pushed
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: into that system, or making the mistake of thinking that
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: that's better for them than living, because it's not. And
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a it'd be a terrible loss if
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: we just started losing people who were depressed, or had
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: chronic pain, or had any other chronic illness that is
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: treatable and survivable because a system now thinks that it
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: can the people that run a system now think that
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: they can save a few bucks or make a few
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: bucks by cutting off someone's medical care and talking them
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: into dying instead. That shouldn't be allowed to happen. It's
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: very important that that doesn't happen. If next week go ahead.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: If the bill posses, that's what's going to happen.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: And that's what I'm afraid of. And next week we're
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: going to look at an article about a case in
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: which medical personnel offered assisted suicide to somebody who wasn't dying.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: Like this is a very serious issue, yep, the very
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: serious issue. It's not something to take lightly. And so
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: we're going to spend a few weeks on it because
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of reading to do, and I think
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of touches on a lot of other
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: issues too. Medical ethics is a pretty complex, widespread topic.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: But go ahead, Richard.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: With my chronic illness, it's worse in the summer off
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: the heat because I had I had heat, I had
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: the I had heats of exhaustion last week and I
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 3: passed out at a little bit.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: It's very dangerous. This is something that you know, a
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: lot of people in our audience, a lot of the
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: men in our audience, have probably experienced this. You have
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: to be really careful. I know everybody always says stay hydrated.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: Staying hydrated is part of how you protect yourself, but
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: there is a level of getting over heated that can
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: affect you. Even if you stay hydrated, your body has
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: to stay at at a temperature that's close to its
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: normal temperature. And if it if you can't cool off,
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: you have the same problems that you have if you
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: get a fever that is too high, the type of
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: fever that would send you to the hospital. And uh.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: Say go ahead, and next week we're going to have
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: another heat life as well.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, and you guys don't have air conditioning over there, right.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: It's especially especially in government. One place is like the
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 3: one I'm in now, we can't and we can't have
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: our windows like we can have windows open, but only
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: a certain like angle like like.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, now, is that because it's an unsafe neighborhood
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: or is that because they think you'll go out to window?
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: It's like calviuma I see, yeah, and it can be agious.
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  Speaker 3: And I can't bring and I can't bring my fan
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: I have at home, my fan unit because it'd be
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: too much on the electric Yeah.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: Because you're rationed your electricians or your electricity is rationed. Yeah,
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: And that's so Americans don't know what maybe they know,
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: but don't really know what it's like. We went over there.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody that's been to uh ICEMI twenty sixteen and twenty eighteen,
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: if you stayed in a place that didn't have air conditioning,
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: we did one one of those years and I can't
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: remember which one it was, but it was unforgivingly hot
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: at that time for for the UK and uh it's
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: it's difficult on somebody with any any kind of health
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: condition that that makes you more susceptible to heat, like
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: any kind of health condition that makes you more susceptible
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: to fatigue, or like if you have asthma, if you
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: have diabetes, if you have any kind of like any
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: illness that that that h impacts on your organs. You know,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: in a negative way, you have heart problems, anything like that,
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: you get overheated, it's worse and your symptoms are exacerbated.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: I much, I much chest thing that at all, lady as.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: Well, and the heat will do that to you. But
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: it is and these are these are obviously things like
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: a person in a care setting should talk to the
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: healthcare providers that they're with because of that. But okay,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: so mister three or three is hearing music but I
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: don't so, and there's not any music playing on my computer,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: so I don't know where it's coming from. But that's
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: mister three or three on rumble. But what I would
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: point out, I think it's a crime against humanity that
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: people in the UK are not allowed to use fans
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: or air conditioners or anything like. You could at least
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: make a swamp cooler if you can use a fan.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: But I got I got a hot water bottle and
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: I put some what sort of water in the freezer.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: So when that's fright something tomorrow, I'm going to put
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: the in the in the hot water bottle.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: That's a good plan.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 4: And do you have fans? We are allowed to use fans,
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 4: and yeah, they can't tap into our electricity supply to
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 4: make sure we're not using fans, just like they just
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 4: like they can't tap into our electricity to play to
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 4: make sure we're watching the BBC's.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: They like.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 4: They like to tell us that they that they have
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 4: the technology to decipher as to whether or not we're
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 4: using fans or televisions.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: But one different though, is Richard jenn Is setting where
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: someone else controls what he can and can't do.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we're living under a tyranny of bustards who
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: will will tell us that they have the technology to
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 4: stop us from using fans or televisions?
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: Are they are? Are they also going to backtrace all
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: your connections and call the cyber police?
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: Yes, you you get you think it was joking, you're joking,
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 4: but you're no.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: It's it's awful. The UK is like it's supposed to
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: be a first world nation. It was already starting to
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: have My parents were scared. The last time I went
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: there in twenty eighteen, they were like, you can't go.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: There's all this bad stuff happening in the UK, you know.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: And I had to explain to him I was going
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: to be with other people that I knew in a
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: closed environment and and there was no danger. But boy,
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: they were they were, uh scared. My mom had a
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: bad feeling. She didn't want me to go, and I
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: almost got stuck there too.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 3: But there was like the GUALI into the hip pace
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 3: on the ic of my Yeah they did. And they
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 3: said there were no black people at the conference.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: Which is kind of strange because weren't you there?
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I was the.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: Then Uh are you a white dude?
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: No? But but people think I'm white.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: When when they talk, Yeah, people from maybe other areas,
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: like everything that sounds like a British accent any part
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: of the UK sounds white to them basically. But yeah,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: in any case, Uh yeah, it's it's it's become it's
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: become a a mess, a third world shithole in a
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: lot of ways, and it's heartbreaking.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 3: Four set in the in the UK and sold for fun.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: Down well, and now we know why. Now we know why.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: So next week. Yeah, mister three or three, says Richard,
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: you're the blackest friend he has.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: Ah, thank you.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: But next next week we're going to go over that
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: article about the Canadian incident. There have been incidents like
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: that in the US. There's not I didn't find a
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: lot of information about them, just you know, short little
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: bits and pieces. But there are states in the US
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: that have assisted suicide, and so it's you know, it
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: can happen here as well. That's yep. I think Oregon's won,
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: and there's a couple.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 3: Of Washington as well. Yep.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: Then there's a couple of states that are farther to
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: the east than the coast is the West coast is.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: So it's it's not just not just two states, it's
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: like four or five. But if I understand right, I
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: didn't find anything about it being in Ohio where where
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: I am. But to me, this is like a virus
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: that's spreading, like they're not being careful to make sure
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: that people won't be pressured into this or tricked into it,
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: or allowed to slide into it when they're really in
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: need of help to live, not help to die. So,
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: like I said, we'll go over that more next week though,
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: and in the meantime, I'm going to double check here
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: because I think we'd got we did get more super chow,
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: so let me back. Richard Vierre gave us five dollars
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: and said, getting the flashback to nineteen thirties Germany, when
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: families have disabled people were being told that their disabled
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: relatives will be picked up and taking to care facilities.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: The windows van I think it's windowless van would show up,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: pick up the disabled person, leave and then some distance
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: away from the family's home, the driver would activate a
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: control that redirected the engine exhaust into the area where
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: the disabled person was riding. This was also used for
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: elderly family members who became infirm. They they did all
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: kinds of There was a not an intelligence test, but
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: a cognitive ability test that they used to use, and
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: if they could decide that you were senile, that that
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: was being senile was a death penalty offense. Prior to
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: the discovery of the Holocaust, having an intellectual disability that
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: was beyond a certain level of confusion for that test.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: Same thing. You know, everybody talks about one group of
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: people that were killed during that time, but they started
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: out the disab yep, but they started with the disabled.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: Day started specifically with people with intellectual disabilities and senility
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: like things like that.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 3: Black people keep saying they were the original victims of
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: that as well.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: Well, it's possible. I don't know that there were very
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: many in Germany at that time, but like anything's possible,
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: I know that they did that. They did go after
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: the gypsies, so you know, if they were going after
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: people on the basis of race and then they had
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: a specific protected group, you know, obviously everybody that wasn't
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: in that group would have been a target. But thanks
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: everybody for listening. Thanks you guys for going over this subject.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: I know it's really dark and it's a depressing side object,
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: but thank you very much for going over it with me.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: It's I think this is a really big deal, and
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: I think this is a huge threat to men, especially
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: men with any type of disability and men of color yep,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: and men of color. So thanks and good night guys,