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Mystery of Room 1046 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Mysteries are fuel for our mind. They give it the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to open the strange doors of possibility in search
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  Speaker 1: of an answer. Some might be solved in a few years,
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  Speaker 1: while others may lay unsolved for as long as our
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  Speaker 1: universe continues to exist. There are individuals out there who
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  Speaker 1: claim to have solved many of the world's mysteries, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's how the pyramids were constructed or the original herbs
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  Speaker 1: and spices contained within the Kernel's finger lick and chicken.
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  Speaker 1: But there are some people out there who do know
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  Speaker 1: the answer to many mysteries, and they choose not to
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  Speaker 1: come forward with those answers. They instead decide to fade
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  Speaker 1: into the shadows and not reveal the truth that they hold. Today,
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  Speaker 1: the mystery of what happened in Room ten forty six
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  Speaker 1: remains a mystery, but we will leave it to you
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  Speaker 1: to decide if the information that we have is actually
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  Speaker 1: enough to say that it has been solved.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: Wicked and.
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  Speaker 1: Grim, a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Warning.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast material intend more mature audience listener discretion.
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  Speaker 2: Prodcasting. Thing that's going good.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's going good.
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  Speaker 2: We're on vacation, I'm doing this podcast, so we're a
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  Speaker 2: little bit out of our element.
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  Speaker 1: Ish you could say, we're not in our tiny home.
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  Speaker 1: We're in a cabin in Ucluelet, BC, which is just
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  Speaker 1: south of Tafino. So things are probably gonna sound weird
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  Speaker 1: because we're not using our regular microphones. We're in this
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  Speaker 1: cabin with this like tile floor, and dogs are walking
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  Speaker 1: around and people are walking around outside the cabin to
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  Speaker 1: throw down the driveway area, so it probably sounds strange.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like we're maybe a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more relaxed than normal, you know. Yeah, it's it's a
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  Speaker 2: good day.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm looking outside at a and a nice doggo
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  Speaker 1: cool for a nice walk.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing.
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  Speaker 1: All hours are probably bitter at us that we're recording
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  Speaker 1: our podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Why are we not all going for a walk?
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  Speaker 1: Well, we got to get this done. It was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to come out today, but due to getting ready for
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  Speaker 1: the trip and everything, we had a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: struggle getting this episode recorded.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's about twelve hours behind, which isn't bad.
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  Speaker 1: No, we're doing our best. We made the dedication to
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  Speaker 1: still have this out even though we're on vacation. So
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  Speaker 1: hopefully you guys appreciate that. Yeah, after this, so we
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  Speaker 1: are definitely gonna go in appreciate the beautiful scenery around
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  Speaker 1: here that is taffino and you clue it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Honey actually has not tried to drink from
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  Speaker 2: the ocean yet, so I'm looking forward to that.
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  Speaker 1: It's always fun her first ocean experience.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have a secret beach you're gonna take
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  Speaker 1: us too, I do, I do. I'm pumped to see
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  Speaker 1: your secret I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like Heaven on Earth, so Heaven on.
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  Speaker 1: Earth, and it's not actually a secret beach. It's just
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  Speaker 1: like a public like a local known beach. But the
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  Speaker 1: tourism place doesn't really go there.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, well, yeah, they go to the one part
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  Speaker 2: of it, but then if you walk in quite a
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  Speaker 2: bit further then, like last year when Ripley and I
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  Speaker 2: were here, we had the one part of the beach
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  Speaker 2: where I'm going to take you all to ourselves for
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  Speaker 2: probably over an hour, sweet, which was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Well, it's gonna be a good.
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  Speaker 2: Time, I know. I'm looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 1: And if you guys want to check out, we are
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  Speaker 1: are also putting up another vlog a little bit more oriented,
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  Speaker 1: like on our travels to get here, behind the scenes
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  Speaker 1: stuff for a patriot. So there's gonna be two blogs
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  Speaker 1: coming up.
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  Speaker 2: And the YouTube is it's called The Wicked Life just
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  Speaker 2: Wicked Life. Oh, Wicked Life. I thought it was the
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  Speaker 2: Wicked Life.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's Wicked Life.
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  Speaker 2: Now we don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just Wicked Life. Okay, looking at it right now.
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  Speaker 2: So just like, look in the search on YouTube Wicked Life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or it's in the description of this podcast too,
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  Speaker 2: we did that, we were on our local news.
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  Speaker 2: And at the end, didn't she ask us what our
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  Speaker 2: website was or how people can find us, And we're
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  Speaker 1: We couldn't remember if there was podcasts in our website.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had no idea.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we always say it's all linked down below. We
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  Speaker 1: you guys for signing up. You mean the world to us,
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  Speaker 1: And even if you're just listening, you mean the world too,
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  Speaker 1: because this wouldn't be happening without you.
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  Speaker 2: So thank exactly.
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  Speaker 1: You're ready to get into this, I'm ready. I think
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  Speaker 1: we've already told everyone a little too much about our vacation.
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  Speaker 1: I think they want to hear the episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's move on.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, this is the story of Room ten forty six.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, sounds already a little bit scary.
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  Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like Stephen King because.
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  Speaker 2: Something like a novel of sorts that's like suspenseful.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, because like Stephen King had a room, like
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  Speaker 1: a hotel room sort of. I can't remember what his
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  Speaker 1: story was, but anyways, Yeah, there's a few things that
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  Speaker 1: revolve around it. There's this shining bare room and then
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  Speaker 1: the room at the Old Ladies in the China. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: lots of places occur in horror movies like this where
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  Speaker 1: it's a specific room.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of what strikes people, the
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  Speaker 1: fact that this kind of went along with a specific room.
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  Speaker 1: So the room doesn't really have anything to do with it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, Yeah, it.
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  Speaker 1: Just occurred in this room and that's about it. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So starting off, we have a man by the name
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  Speaker 1: of Roland. Now, Roland was a man who checked into
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  Speaker 1: the Hotel President in Kansas City, Missouri, which is now
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  Speaker 1: the Power and Lights District. He checked in in the
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  Speaker 1: early afternoon on January TEWOD, nineteen thirty five. He registered
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  Speaker 1: under the name Roland t Owen, but gave no home
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  Speaker 1: address or any other personal information, and paid for one
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  Speaker 1: night stay at the hotel. Now, spoiler alert, he did
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  Speaker 1: stay longer, so I'm assuming he paid for more nights,
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  Speaker 1: but initially he paid for just the one night's day.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, this is a long ways back, eh. It is
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  Speaker 2: nineteen thirty five.
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  Speaker 1: You said, yeah, back into the thirties.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this man was dressed rather nice in a black
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  Speaker 1: overcoat and was around twenty years old, maybe a little.
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  Speaker 1: I did find accounts that said he was up to
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  Speaker 1: potentially thirty five years old as the way he looked,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure he was around early twenties by most.
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  Speaker 2: Accounts, still fairly young exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So. He had brown hair and a very distinct visible
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  Speaker 1: scar below the hairline on right above his left ear. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it was also reported that he had cauliflower ears.
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  Speaker 2: I know what that means.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea at first because we used to
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  Speaker 2: watch a little bit of USC and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the fighters on there. It's from boxing and like being
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  Speaker 2: kind of a fighter, right, yes, yeah, well they're not boxing.
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  Speaker 1: It's common. It's common. Here, I'll read you the right
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  Speaker 1: up that I put for this. So. Cauliflower ear, also
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  Speaker 1: known as hematoma orus, is a condition that occurs in
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  Speaker 1: one's ear when blood builds up between the cartilage of
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  Speaker 1: the ear and the skin from the ear being repeatedly
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  Speaker 1: struck or bent, causing trauma on the underlining cartilage, kind
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  Speaker 1: of like a fingernail going blue after you smack it
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  Speaker 1: with a hammer or something like that. It's that blood
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  Speaker 1: up under his nail. Same thing in the ear between
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  Speaker 1: the cartilage and the skin.
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  Speaker 2: But it actually never really heals, does it, Unlike our
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  Speaker 2: nails that do well. It can, okay, So.
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  Speaker 1: The ear actually begins to swell and like forms those
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  Speaker 1: lumps of this like fluid which makes it ear resemble
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  Speaker 1: cauliflower from these like bulges, and if treated immediately, the
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  Speaker 1: lump can actually go away. Oh okay, not treated immediately,
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  Speaker 1: then it remains permanently. So what they actually do to
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  Speaker 1: treat it is they'll take a syringe and they'll suck
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  Speaker 1: out all that fluid. Oh my god, before it like yeah, pardons.
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  Speaker 1: So regardless, lovely.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully no one's eating at this moment, because that's.
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  Speaker 1: Just a medical gross I mean it is, but I mean,
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  Speaker 1: because of this though, it was assumed that he must
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  Speaker 1: have been like a boxer or wrestler. That's kind of
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  Speaker 1: what the hotel staff was assuming at the time because
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  Speaker 1: it is kind of like a common thing scene like
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  Speaker 1: we see if you watch the UFC ear and he
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  Speaker 1: mixed Martial Arts, it's common for those guys to have
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  Speaker 1: cauliflower ears. So they kind of assumed that was his
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  Speaker 1: occupation or at least pastime.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Randolph Props was working as a bell hop service
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  Speaker 1: and he helped Roll into his room that night. When
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  Speaker 1: he checked in, he carried no baggage with him, so
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  Speaker 1: Randolph was empty handed and escorted him up to the
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  Speaker 1: tenth floor where the room was. Randolph would have been
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  Speaker 1: very professional and courteous as they made their way. The
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  Speaker 1: hotel was a rather luxurious establishment and had a reputation
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  Speaker 1: for being one of the finest hotels in the Midwest,
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  Speaker 1: so he would have been quite quite courteous on the
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  Speaker 1: way to the room. So as they walked, the two
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  Speaker 1: of them struck up some conversation, some small talk, and
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  Speaker 1: Roland mentioned that he had spent a previous night at
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  Speaker 1: the nearby Malbeck Hotel but found he paid the rate
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  Speaker 1: he paid for five dollars was rather expensive, so he
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  Speaker 1: decided to go somewhere else, and that was equivalent of
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  Speaker 1: about one hundred and ten dollars today.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Okay, I was wondering because I was like five bucks, yes, yeah, so,
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  Speaker 2: but I just have to say to one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: ten bucks today would not get you like a super
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  Speaker 2: nice hotel.
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  Speaker 1: No, it wouldn't. That just goes to show how how
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  Speaker 1: inflation is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: At any rate, get it at any rate, at any rate.
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  Speaker 1: The two men eventually made their way up to room
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  Speaker 1: ten forty six that it was overlooking the inner courtyard
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  Speaker 1: of the building. Now, apparently he was specifically requested to
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  Speaker 1: be on the inner part of the hotel for whatever
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  Speaker 1: his personal reasons.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, quieter, or maybe maybe it.
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  Speaker 1: Could have been, you know, not wanting to be on
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  Speaker 1: the outside with traffic, yeah people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and because I've requested stuff like that before.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's just personal preference most likely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, as I said, Roland didn't seem to pack too much.
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  Speaker 1: He actually didn't carry any luggage or any bags with him.
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  Speaker 1: So when they reached the hotel and Randolph opened the
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  Speaker 1: room and let rolland in, Roland reached into his overcoat
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  Speaker 1: pocket and pulled out three items a brush, a comb,
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  Speaker 1: and toothpaste.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I kind of love that, right, just
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  Speaker 2: needing that little I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean for someone staying in this hotel and regarding most
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  Speaker 1: of the clientele, he sees it was a bit odd.
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  Speaker 1: But he didn't really dwell on it. So after he
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  Speaker 1: put these items in the room above the sink, the
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  Speaker 1: two of them left the room, closed the door. Roland
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  Speaker 1: locked the door and then handed him the key in
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  Speaker 1: a way they went sorry, Randolph locked the door and
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  Speaker 1: handed rolling.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, yeah, so Roland.
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  Speaker 1: Now had the key. They returned to the lobby together
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  Speaker 1: and the key now in Roland's pocket. He left the
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  Speaker 1: hotel through the front doors. So it was a little
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  Speaker 1: while later that evening, but one of the hotel room
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  Speaker 1: cleaning staff was making the rounds. This woman's name was Mary.
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  Speaker 1: Soap dick. Okay, not soap dick, soap tick.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Just for the record, it sounded like soap dick.
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  Speaker 2: But I was just like not going to comment on that.
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  Speaker 2: I decided in my head, no, you're good.
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  Speaker 1: Sotic soap tick.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, soap tick.
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  Speaker 1: But with the key in there, yeah, soap tick, it
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  Speaker 1: sounds sounds like.
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  Speaker 2: Very much, especially the way you say yes.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I was listening to other people cover
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  Speaker 1: this quite a bit, and like the BuzzFeed Unsolved network guys,
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  Speaker 1: they covered this quite well. They shortened it a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: they but they condensed like the main information and they
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  Speaker 1: had a good laugh over soap diick, which I laughed
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  Speaker 1: hilariously on her.
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  Speaker 2: It wouldn't be the best last name to have ever.
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  Speaker 1: No, but I did want to point out it's not
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  Speaker 1: soap dick, it's soap tick, soap tick.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So anyways, she was now on staff. She was a
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  Speaker 1: cleaning lady, and she was making a ring way up
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  Speaker 1: to the tenth floor and she made her way to
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  Speaker 1: room ten forty six and found rolling inside when she
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  Speaker 1: opened up. Now, she apologized for interrupting him in the
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  Speaker 1: room and was about to leave, but he said, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: it was no problem. She can go ahead and do
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  Speaker 1: whatever it was that she came to do for her job.
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  Speaker 1: So she did. She fixed, threw him up, and kind
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  Speaker 1: of did some like the turnover stuff for like towels
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  Speaker 1: or whatever she needed to do, did some cleaning as
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  Speaker 1: per usual. But while she began cleaning, she noticed that
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  Speaker 1: he had the shades and the windows drawn and he
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  Speaker 1: left only one single lamp in the room to light it.
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  Speaker 1: It was rather dim in there. After a few minutes
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  Speaker 1: pass since she began cleaning, Roland put his overcoat and
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  Speaker 1: put on his overcoat and brush his hair and then left.
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  Speaker 1: But before he did He asked Mary that when she
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  Speaker 1: leaves the room, to leave it unlocked when she was finished.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently he was expecting some friends soon. Oh okay, So
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  Speaker 1: where's your head at. What are your thoughts on Roland
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  Speaker 1: so far?
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  Speaker 2: You know, my main thought right now, it's just I
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  Speaker 2: think it's just because I listen and research too much
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  Speaker 2: to a crime. But I'm just like the hotel cleaners
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  Speaker 2: that come around and clean the rooms, like that seems unsafe. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: her going into his room by herself and stuff, that
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  Speaker 2: was literally where my mind was. I was like, oh
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  Speaker 2: my gosh, that's scary for her. Not that I thought
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  Speaker 2: anything would happen, but I was just like, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of jobs though today that can put you in situations.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. And I think like nowadays with rooms too,
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  Speaker 1: they have identification of people and they have like credit
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  Speaker 1: card numbers, so if anything were to happen, it's like
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  Speaker 1: they can track them down.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. But back then, I feel like shit could
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  Speaker 2: go astray.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like Roland didn't even give his address, so
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  Speaker 1: there's no way of tracking down.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's very mysterious. I have no idea I
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  Speaker 2: was when I first when you first said she was
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  Speaker 2: going in the room. I almost was thinking maybe he
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  Speaker 2: would have he was dead. So I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: actually I don't. It's too early on for me to
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  Speaker 2: be predicting.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to tell you now that we go
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  Speaker 1: through quite a bit of information before the incident actually occurs. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So there's a lot leading up to what happens.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So at this point I can't. I can't predict nothing.
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  Speaker 1: You can't predict nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Yet, I can't predict anything.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Mary wasn't able to predict anything either, and she
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  Speaker 1: was happy to oblige and continued her work. And she
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  Speaker 1: did as she asked when she was finished a little
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  Speaker 1: bit later on, and left his room and left it unlocked. Okay, Now,
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  Speaker 1: at four pm, she returned to his room with fresh towels,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because when she's cleaning earlier, she took out
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  Speaker 1: the dirty ones, coming back with fresh ones later.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeap.
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  Speaker 1: So when she opened the door because it was unlocked,
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  Speaker 1: she saw Roland laying in the bed, fully dressed, in
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  Speaker 1: the dark, with the door unlocked.
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  Speaker 2: Mind you, Oh my gosh, she needs to leave him alone.
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  Speaker 2: He needs some time here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he was wide awake, just staring off into the dark,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure he would have looked her at her
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  Speaker 1: when she entered.
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  Speaker 2: See, I feel like he needs someone to talk to her,
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  Speaker 2: some help.
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  Speaker 1: But well, he was clearly expecting someone because she also
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  Speaker 1: saw a note sitting on the bedside table next to him. Now,
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  Speaker 1: mind you, it was in the dark, but when she
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: opened the door, light was spilling in from the hallway
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: behind her right, and she was able to read this
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: note clearly written and it said, quote Dawn, I will
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: be back in fifteen minutes. Wait, huh, Okay, So I'm
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: assuming this note was probably on the outside of the
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: door at one point and he took it off when
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: he returned and just kind of set it down. So
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: either way, he was clearly expecting someone by the name
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: of Dawn.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, totally.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: So this man clearly was acting strange and Mary didn't
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: know exactly what to make of it. She also made
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: some statements later on regarding this case, and she said
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: this quote he always wanted to kind of keep in
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: the dark. And she also said quote he was either
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: worried about something or afraid.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say more so worried.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: You think worried because if he.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Was afraid and shit, Like, he probably wouldn't just be
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: laying on the bed with the door unlocked and stuff.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: If he was afraid, why would the door be unlocked.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: That's a big question.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, like it wouldn't be unlocked.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So why did you say you don't think he's afraid.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: I think he's more worried. Okay, Oh did I get
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: that backwards?
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Or maybe I got it back I don't know.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: I think he's more worried rather.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Than afraid, Okay, worried about what though?
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I think he's stressed about something. I think his mental
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: health is in the gutter. Okay, that's my guess.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: That's a respectable answer. Well. The next day, on January third,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Mary returned to his room at about ten thirty am,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: room of course, number ten forty six. This time, the
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: door was locked from the outside, which must have meant
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: that the man had left his room, right, Roland was
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: gone because I left and locked it from the outside. Okay,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: But when she opened up the door to go inside,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: it was in there. Clean You think he was in there?
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Shit, I don't know.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Roland was in the exact same spot, wearing the exact
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: same clothes, with the lights out on the bed.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Wide awake, awake, still hold wait shit, but the door
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: was locked from the outside. Okay, this is really fucked up.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I also be like, if I was in this room,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to be disturbed this much. We're the
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: kind of people that go into a hotel and leave
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: are like, do not disturbed, tag on and the whole time,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: the whole time, it's like, we don't need our room,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: like done anything to it. We're good.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: No, if we need some new towels, we'll just call
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: the front desk. You we'll come down and grab them.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Like so at this trying to be like, excuse me,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: can you just like fuck, We're fine, politely fuck off please,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: But I mean, this man seems like he needs to
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: be checked on.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean she is checking on the room at least,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: so she's getting some of this information, which is good.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: So when she came in the room and saw him
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: sitting there, he did allow her to come in and
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: clean up again as before. And while she began cleaning,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: she watched as the phone rang. Okay, so Roland answered
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the phone and this is what he said. No, Dawn,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I don't want to eat. I'm not hungry. I just
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: had breakfast. No, I'm not hungry now. After that, he
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: didn't say anything else, but he didn't hang up the phone.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: He held on to it and proceeded to talk to
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Mary about her job as she cleaned, and soon she
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: finished up and left Now again. At four pm, Mary
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: returned to the room good God, again with fresh towels.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Because this is the process. They go there, they clean,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the remove stuff. Later they do the realms with fresh towels.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I mean, yeah, she's doing a good job.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: She's doing her job.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's being very diligent getting it done, doing her
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: thing thing, Mary Rocks. That's all I gotta say. So
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: when she arrived, she could hear two men in the room,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: so she knocked politely before she entered. Now a voice
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: responded by asking who's there. The voice was loud and
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: deep and it didn't belong to Roland. Okay, She stated
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: it was room service with fresh towels, and the man responded,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: we don't need.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Any Oh, I wouldn't even let her in, yeah.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Which clearly wasn't true because she removed the dirty towels
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: earlier in the day, so she knows they have no towels.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Right, right, and Roland was always great about having her
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: come and do her job.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Yep. So that night, as it rolled on, was a
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: rather unusual one. Another hotel patron by the name of
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Gene Owen was checked into room ten forty eight. Now
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: for clarification, the last name Roland t Owen and Gene
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Owen have no correlation to each.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's funny. I was almost going to be like Ben,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: that's the same last name, is that, right?
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I need to clarify now before you guys start going
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: down that path. Once the events that were leading up
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: to occurs. They talked to Gene. She has a very
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: solid alibi and she has no relation.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, thanks for clarifying that. I mean if I
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: was wondering, and I'm sure a lot of people were
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: so well.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: She reported that she heard men and women talking very
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: loudly and profanely all over the floor that night, and
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: an elevator operator named Charles Bloacher also reported more than
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: normal activity. He began his shift at about midnight and
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: reported he was fairly busy until about one thirty am,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and that there was a large party occurring in room
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: ten fifty five.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, what room was rolling in ten fifty six,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: ten forty six, ten forty six, okay, yeah, and.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Ten fifty five was hosting this rather large, obnoxious party.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: So now Charles doesn't remember one particular individual who he
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: saw or sorry, he does remember one particular individual who
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: he saw on multiple occasions that night, because remember, he's
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: operating the elevator, so he's standing in the elevator bringing
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: it up and down, letting people to and from.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: That would be a fucking interesting job.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: It would be. I feel like I can only imagine
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the individuals you would have conversation with. Yeah, and especially
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: on a night like this when people are drinking the
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: shit people are freely gonna tell.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: You because I'm kind of one of those people I
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: don't love like repetition for jobs and stuff like repetitive jobs,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: and that would be one. But I'm like, that would
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: be freaking interesting. I could do that job. I think
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: that'd be dope.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I think that might be one of the worst jobs
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: as far as repetition goes.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: It would, but then you're also having new people in there,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: and it could get really interesting because sometimes I feel
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: like the conversations or the way people act in elevators
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: is really odd.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: But I think that would get old really fast.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, because that's true, I'm.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Gonna put it from my perspective. I did a very
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: repetition based job for the last like fifteen years.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: The best thing to make time go by is when
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: you flick into autopilot and your mind is somewhere else.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Oh and you wouldn't really be able to do that
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: there because you're having to make small talk with everyone exactly.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: And I think that would make time go by bye
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: very slowly.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: But if you're a social individual, not saying that you're not,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: but if you are, like I feel like you could
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: kind of really chat and kind of get to know
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: with people and the short time they're in there. But yeah,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: even the small talk would probably get pretty repetitive too.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I can only imagine how many people in a
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: single day. You're saying, the weather shitty today, isn't it?
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Raining, it's been raining for the last four days. When's
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: it going to ever end?
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: It's sure cold out there exactly.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: So I mean, mind you, like you say, there's some
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: people that might suit. Some people that are a little
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: more conversational or outgoing might be a lot right up
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: their alley sort of thing. But I could see that
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: getting old quick.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, so who's to say.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Anyways, the individual he did recognize was a woman, and
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: she'd been at the hotel times before as well, and
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: was assumed to be a sex worker. Now, she came
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: in sometime around one am. Now, I did also find
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: varying time frames on when she came in. Most said
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: around like midnight to two, midnight to three or so,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: So I kind of I'm not saying it was one am.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of just landing somewhere in the middle and
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: saying one am late in the night exactly, or early
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: in the morning. Yeah, And she started by going to
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: room ten twenty six, not ten to forty six, okay,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: But she started with ten twenty six, and then she
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: was back at the elevator five minutes later as no
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: one was at the room, not because the service was that.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I was like five mites.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: She's good at her fucking job, okay, But yeah, she
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: went to ten twenty six, return five minutes later. No
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: one answered the door when she knocked, and then she
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: would visit ten forty six Roland's room, okay, and then
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: from there she would go over to ten twenty four
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and then down to the ninth floor to visit some
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: more rooms, and back to the tenth floor, presumably to
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: ten twenty six again, but she visited a variety of
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: rooms that night. At any rate, the amount of rooms
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: or individuals more than likely she visited is unknown. What
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: we do know is it was multiple rooms, and Room
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: ten forty six was on that list.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Was one of them on the list? Okay?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Then at four fifteen am, the woman made her
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: way to the lobby and left for the night. A
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: few hours later in the morning on January fourth, at
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: about seven am, a new switchboard operator, Della Ferguson, made
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: her way into work. One of the first things was
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: for her to do on her job was to proceed
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: through a list of wake up calls, one of which
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: being Room ten forty six. Okay, and these wake up
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: calls that she was calling, especially ten forty six anyways
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: worse seven am. Sure others were later, but Rowlands was
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: seven am. So when she tried to get up to
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: his room via the phone, she couldn't complete the call.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: His room's phone was off the hook.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yep, So she.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Got into the switchboard, realized his phone was off the hook.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: She couldn't even attempt to make the call, so she
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: enlisted the help of Randolph, the same bell hop who
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: assisted Roll into his room a couple nights prior, who
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: was at work, to head up to his room and
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: complete the wake up call and inform him he needs
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: to put the phone back on the hook. So he
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: made his way up to room ten forty six. The
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: door was locked with a do not disturb sign hanging
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: from the doorknob. He ignored the sign to pursue the
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: wake up call. Right he began knocking loudly on the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: door and a voice from inside told him to come in,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: but of course he couldn't. The door was locked, so
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: he knocked again. The same voice spoke yet again and
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: told him come in and turn on the lights.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Ah, I wouldn't want to go in, No, ho'll come?
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I guess he wouldn't. He
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: doesn't know all this backstory.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but again, no one was unlocking the door.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't get in.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: He can't get in, So even if he didn't want to,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: he was stuck, couldn't go it.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Beyond you would think he would have a key of Swortsvill.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Well, they do, he just didn't bring it up, right, Oh, okay,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: So finally Randolph shouted through the door to complete the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: wake up call and inform him that he needs to
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: hang up the phone back in the receiver, and then
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: he left walked back down the hallway towards the lobby.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Randolph figured he was most likely drunk or hungover from
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the party on the tenth floor the night prior, probably
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: as many guests in that or on that floor in
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the hotel were less than a functional state this morning.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Right, that is a good assumption.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: So at ten thirty am, the phone in room ten
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: forty six was still off the hook. This time another
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: bell boy by the name of Harold Pike was sent
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: to the tenth floor. The room was ten forty six
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: and there was still a do not disturb sign and
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: the door still locked, still locked, But this time Harold
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: held that room key, so he fitted into the door
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: lock and let himself in. Inside the room, as always,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the lights were off on the bed. He saw Roland
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: laying there in the dark, reportedly drunk and naked. Oh wow,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: there were dark spots surrounding him on the bed in
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: a dimly lit room which Harold could only assume was
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: spilt drinks from having too much fun the night prior.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: He decided decided to leave Roland b and not disturb
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: him clearly, as he was in rough shape from the
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: night before. So he saw the phone laying there off
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the hook and hung it up quickly by putting it
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: back in the receiver and left the room.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I don't feel like he is drunk. No,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: what do you feel like he Maybe he's hurt or something.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: You think so well. This wasn't the end of their
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: visits to room ten forty six. It wasn't long after
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that they would be notified by the operator at the.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Phone in the room off the hook again.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Was once again off the hook.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: See he's using this phone for help.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: It was about ten thirty am. Randolph was once again
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: making his way up to the room. On his arrival,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: he was once again greeted by the do not disturb
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: sign and a locked door. He knocked and heard no response.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: He brought up the key, so he thought, Hey, I'm
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: gonna let myself in and I'm gonna put the phone
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: back in the hook and anyway we go. So he
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: let himself into the room, and when he opened the door,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: he was greeted with a sight he wasn't expecting. Shit
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: what Roland was only about two feet away from the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: door on his knees and elbows, and he was grasping
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: his head covered in blood.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, he.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Definitely was trying to get someone's attention.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, he needed fucking help.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Randolph quickly turned on the lights to see if his
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: eyes were playing tricks on him, and that's when he
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: noticed there was blood on the bed, blood on the
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: walls the bathroom and the hotel room.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: So that dark spot's on the bed was actually probably blood,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: not spilled drinks.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Then correct, it was blood on the bed, so understandably,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: he quickly ran downstairs for help and returned with the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: hotel's assistant manager. However, as they went open the door again,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: this time, Roland had slumped over and was blocking the door.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Oh no, they.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Could only get it open about six inches.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: After a few moments of trying to communicate with them
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and getting him to move, Roland eventually was able to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: stand to his feet and moved to sit on the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: edge of the bathtub nearby. Allowing them to open the
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: door and enter. Okay, Using the phone in the room,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the assistant manager phoned the police and they were joined
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: by a medical professional when they arrived. And that medical
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: professional was doctor Harold Flanders of Kansas City General Hostel.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Harold Flanders.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Harold Flanders. There we go, Yeah, diddally, just throwing that
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: out because Simpsons fans know.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Anyways, the scene they arrived to was startling. As I mentioned,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the room was splattered with blood on the walls, the ceiling,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the bed, you name it.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: This couldn't all have been his own blood either. Could
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: it have been and him still be alive?
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: There's no other blood splattered as far as I have
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: been aware of. Okay, it is his blood.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Goodness.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Roland's head was covered in blood, and it was clear
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: that he had been strangled with the cord as his
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: neck was bruised and the cord was still wrapped around
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: his neck.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: He also had cordage binding his wrists and binding his ankles.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. They probably whoever did this to him laughed,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: probably thinking he was dead.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Oh definitely yeah, Because he also had multiple stab wounds
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: in his chests ah above his heart, and one of
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the wounds was deep enough to puncture his lung.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Holy hack, and the stab wounds.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Weren't the only cause of the blood either that covered
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the room. It was clear he had taken multiple blows
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: to the head, which left him when a skull fracture
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: on the right side.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, the fact that this man is still alive is
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: a miracle, is it not.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: He had been beaten, stabbed, and strangled.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: You had the shit beaten out of him?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Yes? Oh?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, the doggles can hear stuff outside.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I think they're good. Okay, maybe they're just upset with
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: all the shit that Roland went through.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're reacting too. This is whooa.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean what he must have been feeling though, Like,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: think about it, he would have been feeling this for
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: some time. When his wake up call was scheduled for
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: seven am and the bellahawk knocked on that door, Roland
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: responded by saying come in, but did not answer the
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: door himself.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he needed help in there. But he could
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: have just said help.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: But he didn't. But he didn't answer the door. He
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: was probably most likely bound at this time.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, like, there could have still been somebody in there.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: There could have been Oh my god, but he clearly
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: is at least being inflicted or have already been inflicted
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: with these injuries at this time at seven.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Am, right, so, and then they came up against sorry
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: to interrupt, at like ten thirty.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Or forty or something was seven, eight thirty and ten thirty.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: It would have been three more hours basically before it
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: would be identified.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Help, Wow, So at any rate, doctor Flanders cut the
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: chords from Roland and asked him who had done this
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: to him. M Roland's response.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Nobody, nobody, this man, this man is very I don't
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: know any other word other than mysterious.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, yeah, that's a very good word for this.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: The doctor was just as confused as you are, though,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: because like, clearly this didn't happen just on its own,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Like if nobody inflicted these injuries to him.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Then who Yeah, he wouldn't be doing this to himself.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: So rightfully, so the doctor asked next, well, what was
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the cause of your injuries and simply said he had
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: fallen and hit his head on the bathtub.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Wow, and a cord just miraculously went around his neck
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: and all this.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Other shit suddenly just appeared.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Wow, okay, that is you can't use that one for this.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: No, it was clearly a fabricator store. Yeah. The doctor
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: knew something was up, and he thought, well, maybe some
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: of these, if not all, were self inflicted. So he
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: asked Roland if he tried to take his own life,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and Roland spoke one word in.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Reply, no, no, okay.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: And right after that he lost consciousness.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, please did he die? Did he die?
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Well? He was quickly rushed to hospital, and shortly after
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: he had arrived, he succumbed to his enter and he
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: passed away after midnight on January fifth.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: See. I don't freaking know why, but I have a
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: soft ass spot for Roland, you do. I do not
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: know why this guy could be super sketch and super
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: bad dude, but for some reason, I like am over
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: here rooting for him, and I'm like probably going to
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: regret that right as shit comes out.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Well we'll let you decide that, okay. So via his
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: injuries and the blood spatter patterns in the room, doctor
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Flander estimated that his injuries were sustained some time between
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: four and five am, okay, which is another two hours
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: even before his first wake up.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Call right, he sure lasted a long time like he did.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Survived a long time with those those kind of injuries.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: It's quite impressive.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: And imagine would he possibly have survived if it was
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: discovered at seven am rather than ten thirty.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Well, not necessarily though that was so long ago too,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: like they didn't have really maybe the medical care that
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: we would have today.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: That's true, but it's hard to say. Regardless, though, detectives
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: searched room ten forty six and found very little. They
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: found his three personal belongings that we discussed at the beginning,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: tag for a necktie that was made by the New
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Jersey company. And they also know did that the shampoo, soap,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and towels were all missing from the room.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Now we knew the towels were missing, right kind.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Of, I couldn't clarify if the towels were replaced or
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: if they had just never been replaced once that incident occurred.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Of yeah, we don't need.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Any towels, Oh okay.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: So I'm unsure if the towels the towel situation, but
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the shampoo and soap were missing.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah where did Mary go? Hey? I feel like she
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: was just there for that one that was her name, right, Mary, Yeah,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: just there for like that one day.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Kind of No, she did her job the two days
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: and now this morning of the wake up calls is
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: when they found him. Okay, so she would have then
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: been going to do a job here soon, right, So
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: you're just trying to throw he runder the fucking bus.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Mary sucks at her.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I was just like, where did Mary go? I like
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: to marry?
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: You have trying to throw her under the bus.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Mary's cool.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: We said she did her job for like one day.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, maybe that came out so wrong. I meant like,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: where the hell did marry? Like, Okay, I'm just gonna
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: stop talking. I do like Mary. Mary did really good,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: but I was just kind of wondering where she was
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: this day.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: You're a Mary hater, aren't you?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I actually really like Mary?
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Is it because your name sounds like dick?
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Well? She needs some props to her, Like, she probably
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: didn't have it easy all the time with that kind
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: of last name, right.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: And I can't imagine that like a room service job
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: in any sort of capacity would be an easy job either.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I imagine that you're probably dealing with unrually guests on a
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: frequent basis.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where are my towels?
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I need more soap like this.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like people have gotten more
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: assholely as time has gone on. Maybe they weren't as
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: bad that then, assholy assholy like. I don't know. I
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: just think people's expectations and stuff have gone As time
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: goes on, they get higher and higher, and sometimes people
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: become rude er and ruder? Yeah, should I not be
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: saying that on here? That's my opinion. Now.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: It does seem like as the years progress, people seem
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: to get more and more ignorant. But it's it's hard
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: to fully assess, especially when you're looking back at a
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: year like this.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I wasn't there then, I have no idea.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: But we digress back to this. The fact that they
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: didn't actually find much in the room room didn't give them,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: of course, any leads to go with either. However, it
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: also gave them reason to rule out a lot too,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: because there wasn't much in the room. For example, suicide,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: there was no knife in the room and Rowland was stabbed.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: So someone else must have been present to at least
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: remove the knife.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because if he did that to himself it would
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: still be there.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Yes. Now, there are also reports of four small fingerprints
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: found on the room's phone, which couldn't be matched to
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Roland or any of the hotel employees who'd been known
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: to enter that room. It's thought that via the size
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: of these fingerprints being smaller, that it's most likely a
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: woman or female of the sorts. Okay, but I mean
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: this is also a hotel. What if they just didn't
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: wipe the room the phone down.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: The last week or something, Yeah, which could very well
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: be the case.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, I don't know if I would
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: say that the fingerprints on their phone are very much
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: of anything personally. So the story, of course was blowing
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: people's minds, and it was published in local papers on
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: the front page. As a police tried to reach out
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: to the public for assistance, and Detective Johnson told reporters, quote,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: there is no doubt that someone else is mixed up
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: in this, which I mean, we kind of already clarified,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: but we clarified via their facts anyway. So the police
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: sought help through the press. Both the city's evening newspapers
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: carried the story on their front pages. Now, after police
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: began investigating Roland's death, it quickly became apparent that his
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: name was most likely an alias.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Really yes, as.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: They couldn't find any records of him when they're wanting
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: to notify any sort of family or next to ken Okay.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: In the coming weeks, police followed many false leads given
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: on Roland's real identity, and all their trails went cold
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: and none of them proved to be real.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Dang.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: March third rolled around and a funeral was being set
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: to lay the mysterious man to rest. So they announced
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: in the paper in a column that is burial was
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: going to occur, and it mentioned that he'd be laid
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: to rest in the city's Potter's Field. Now, the Potter's
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: field is a place where they lay to rest unidentified persons, Okay.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I looked up a little historical thing on that, and
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I guess a potter's field is where they originally would
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: be like digging up clay and stuff. But how that
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: relates to unidentified people, I'm not exactly sure. But Potter's
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: field is unidentified persons are basically that's sad.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: It's kind of sad. So he's probably gonna be laid
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: to rest all alone.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And that's what people are reading in the column,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: And someone somewhere out there read that and decided to
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: put that plan quickly to a halt.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, decided to attend the burial.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: No, not to attend the burial. They decided, he's not
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: going into a potter's field.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Oh really.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: The very same day that column went out into the newspaper,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: they a man from a call from a man who
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: requested the funeral be delayed. The man wanted to send
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: money to be given to them to use his for
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: service and for his burial at Memorial Park in Kansas City,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: because this way he could be laid near his sister.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, somebody knew what The funeral director, just like you,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: is speechless. Okay.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: After a moment on the phone, he said like, look,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I've got to be reporting this to the police. I
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: can definitely do what you're asking, but just so you know,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: this conversation is going to the police. I can't not
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: say anything right right, And that didn't bother the man
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: on the phone in the slightest In fact, when the
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: funeral director pressed and asked about his death, the man
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: on the other end of the phone said Roland had
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: an affair with two women while engaged with another and
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: the two women got their revenge.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Then just before the man hang up, hung up, Sorry,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: he said, quote, cheat usually get what's coming to them.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: That's true, That's very true. It's true.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: So but I'm still like, come on, kind of liked Roland.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: What the fuck? I don't like that?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Well, of course, no one does like any sort of
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: cheater in that capacity for sure. But who is this
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: man is a big question, and what does he know?
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: So regardless of who this man was or whatever, they thought, Okay, well,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: let's see if this is going to play out as
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: a man says. So they listened, they postponed the service,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: and twenty days later, on March twenty third, they received
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: an envelope containing twenty five dollars, which is about five
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars today, which was enough to cover
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: the service and putting him in the other grave. Okay,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: now there are also two additional envelopes containing five dollars
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: each sent to a local floorist for arrangement of thirteen
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: roses to be laid on his grave. Wow, with a
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: note that said love Forever Louise.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Oh wow wow. But also thirteen flowers cost the same
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: as an overnight hote telling a fancy ass place. Maybe
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: it was a tip, maybe who knows, but uh yeah,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: who's Louise?
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: The plot thickens well, rightfully, So police watched the grave
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: like a hawk in the coming days after his burial.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: They even went as far as being posing his undercover
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: grave diggers in the cemetery to see if they could
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: find anyone to come and visit the grave.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: That's smart, but no one did. Oh wow, and this
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: was next to his sister.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Apparently not next to Rowland's sister, next to the phone now, oh.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: The phone, the person on the phone sister, yes.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: And not next to him, just like within the same graveyard. Okay,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: So I mean, how are they going to identify who
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: that is even when you're in a full ass graveyard.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: So do we even know if this person who phone
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: knew Roland? Or he must have I guess, especially if okay, what.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Kind of stranger would phone in and say, hey, I'm
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: going to pay for the full service to go in
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: a different graveyard so they're located near my sister and
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: then also give information that he got what's coming to
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: him because he's cheating.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Right, But he's still at a soft spot for him,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: like I do, clearly so because he's a cheater, but
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: he's still going to pay for him to actually have
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: like a burial exactly.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: So my assumption is that sister that he was being
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: laid near is probably his fiance or something who may
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: have also been killed then, or maybe it was next
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: to his own sister. But also that doesn't add up too,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: because we'll figure out something else here later on. But okay,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: things just don't. It doesn't make sense.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: And do we get to learn who Louise is?
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: That's all we know about Louise?
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: What that shit?
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: That is all we know about Louise.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Thirteen roses so that took sometimes thirteen isn't necessarily a
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: good number.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but also you're thinking Baker's doesn't though too, right, Yeah, okay,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: so because nowadays we just go a dozen roses that's standard,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: but oftentimes like Baker's doesn't because if you drop one
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: or one goes bad or one dares right.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Now, it is noted though, that after the funeral service,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: a woman phoned the Canzie Citist Journal Post newsroom to
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: inform them to inform them that they did get him
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: a proper burial and he's not at rest in a
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: potter's grave. Now. They asked the woman to identify herself,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: but she simply said, never mind, I know what I'm
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: talking about, and then, when pressed further about if she
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: knew anything else about the man, she replied, he got
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: into a jam, then hung up the phone.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you could consider that a jam for sure.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you killed I'm pretty sure you got
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: yourself into a jam.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just saying yeah, But I mean also that
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just going back to the people
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: that heard the voices and stuff in his room, and
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: they were men. But I guess just because the women
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: got their revenge doesn't necessarily mean that men didn't still
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: kill him.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, my brain just me. I'm just thinking out
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: loud here.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: If there are men involved like this, Dawn, potentially he
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: could have been someone for hire.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, see I envisioned down being a woman.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Don. Well it's spelled d o N, not Dawn.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, Okay, I for some reason just went that
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I was a woman.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, like my dad, his name is Don e O N.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, and typically when you see a female spelling,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: it's dawn.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So, Okay, where.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Am I here? Now? I completely lost track of what
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I was doing.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: You got this? Okay?
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I found it. It seemed like no one would be
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: able to identify the man who was murdered in ten
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: forty six, that he'd be laid to rest as a stranger,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: even in his new grave, and these mystery mysterious callers
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: and history basically would only ever refer to him as
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: his alias right roll, which is so odd. That is,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: until one more phone call would come in and identify him.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, spill.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: It was about a year and a half later, in
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six, a woman named Ruby Ogletree from Alabama
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: phoned the police. She phoned the individuals who were responsible
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: for in his investigation, and she's like, hey, I was
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: reading an article that was written in the American Weekly
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: about this case with a photo of the man, and
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: she claimed that this man looked a lot like her son,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: who was hitchhiking in California in nineteen thirty four. She
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: was able to give enough identifying features of the man,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: including the scar over his left ear by his hairline,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: to confirm that this was her son. Wow, and his
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: name was Artemis Ogletree, which I fucking love that.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought Roland was a cool name, and it's
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: got better.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Hey Artemis Ogletree.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Wow, fuck, I.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Wish that was my name.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: If Ben ever changes his name, that's going to be it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Hey, if I ever have an alias, you damn rights,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: it's going to be Artemis ogle Tree. Like that is
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: a pretty cool name that flows so good, it seems dope.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I'm mister ogle Tree. My name's Artemis Artemis ogle Tree,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Like hell yeah, like almost a name.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Like that, that man's going to do stuff or good
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: things in his life.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Just picture this. Just think of like a documentary or
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: something memoir or some sort of thing about this guy's life.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: And it's just titled The Adventures of Artemis ogle Tree.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Like holy shit.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're judging a book by its cover, you'd
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: grab that one.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, this dude is doing some cool.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Shit, except that he got got murdered.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was definitely doing some shit.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: He's doing something. He's literally really was on.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Some sort of adventure. Didn't lead him down the right path,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: but he was doing some adventure and that's for sure. Anyways, Well,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Artemis was hitchhiking. He did start out writing letters to
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: his mom while traveling, but did eventually stop. Now there
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: is one only one problem here. She was still receiving
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: letters after he was killed.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Really, I was drinking wine at that time.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: But I was like, what, I don't know if anyone
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: literally heard Nicole's gulp in the microphone.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Still writing letters to her after he had supposedly died.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Yes. Wow. So in early nineteen thirty five, she received
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: a typed letter which she found very suspicious, which said
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: he She said she that he didn't know how to type,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: so that was a big thing right there, and it
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: was written in a very informal style that didn't suit
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: his normal writing. So she was very weirded out by
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: this letter a bit. And then in May of nineteen
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: thirty five, another letter that was handwritten said that he
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: was heading off to Europe. Now, in August, she received
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: a phone call from a man in Tennessee claiming that
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Artemis had saved his life and the Artemis couldn't actually
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: call her himself because he was living in Kyro, Egypt,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: where he had married a wealthy woman.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: So this man she was on the phone with talked
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: to her for about half an hour Now she was
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: leary of this man and said that he was like
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: kind of off his fucking rocker. But he did also
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: seem to have personal first hand knowledge of her son. Wow,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: so clearly he at least knew him. So why would
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: some of this stuff he's saying be a lie?
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, my brain is what Also that one letter that
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: she got in like, may was it his handwriting or
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: like was it his writing?
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: We'll touch on that shortly. Okay. They did look up
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: manifest for shift ships heading to Cairo within those timelines,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: and no manifest was ever found. Having an Artemis or
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Roland Court. Now police had the man's real name and
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: some more information, they were actually able to do a
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: bit more investment gating. They didn't find much more though,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: but they did find that under the name Armis, he'd
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: actually stayed at another hotel a few nights prior which
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: he did say, he did say, and he had shared
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: a room with another man. Okay, that individual is unknown. Now,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: the theory here is that that man may have been
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: the quote Dawn that we had that written note and
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: the conversations to while he was staying in the infamous
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: ten forty six. So the final piece to this puzzle,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: though still only speculation comes in the form of a
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: man named Joseph Martin. Now, Joseph was later arrested on
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: murder charges for killing a man in a hotel room
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: that they shared a hotel with and then later shoving
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: his body into the trunk of his car. One of
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Joseph's aliases that he used Donald Kelso.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, my god, my brain. I'm so fucking confuse right now. Okay,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: first of all, when he was in this, I have
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: questions because I don't know what the fuck's going on
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: right now. So when we had when he was at
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: a hotel with the other man, was he checked in
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: as Roland or.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Artemis Artemis, which is why they didn't find it before.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, and now Don has been murdered. No, no, Dawn
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: murdered someone else.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Don has never been identified this mysterious Dawn. However, the
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: theory is there's this individual named Joseph Martin also committed
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: and is charged for another hotel murder. Okay, one of
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: his aliases is Don is Donald Kelso.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Now back to that written letter to Artemis's mother, That
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: handwriting just so happens to match Donald Kelso, Joseph Martin
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call him.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Not Artemis though, No, not Artemis.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: But it does match this guy who is now charged
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: for another murder.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, this is this is all over the place.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: No full connection has ever been made, which means no
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: criminal charges have ever been filed in Artemis's murder case
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: in room ten forty six. This case is still unsolved.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: It is still a mystery.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is wild. You always do these fucking cases
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: that everyone.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Just like and they're like, er, yeah, so you didn't
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: like this case.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: No, I do like this, But now I'm like the
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: rest of my day, I'm gonna be fucking thinking about.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: It, thinking about Artemis Ogle Tree.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm just like so curious if that actually
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: was Artemis in that room. But then they had photos
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: and the mom said that was so.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: They're pretty damn sure that's Armaments. It's like the features
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: and everything she gave, Like, this is fucking him.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: But it also makes sense that he would have died
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: in that other hotel room. He shared the room with
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: the Joseph guy, Joseph Don or Don Joseph or whatever.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: The fuck If it is him who did it. Yeah,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: I mean there's so much speculation revolving around this case.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing that I started at the beginning.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: It is a mystery. It's an unsolved case, but there's
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: information here that says it might actually be solved. We
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: just don't have the evidence.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, prove it. Yeah, Well would you say this is solved?
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I think we might have found our killer, but I
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: don't think the case in itself is unsolved because clearly
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: there's other individuals who are involved. Yes, these jilted women
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: for example, He's clearly created this. I was gonna say
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: love triangle, but there's more people involved for it to
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: be a love triangle. There's three other women in total.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: At least we have someone who wanted him to be
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: having a proper burial. Who is that? Have another individual
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: who might be one of these three women who said,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: you know that sent the love letter to his grave
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: with roses? So who's that? How is she involved? And
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: if it is this whole like love relationship, how did
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: this Joseph guy aka Donald or don how did he
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: become involved? Is he just for hire? Is he related
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: to one of these women?
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Is he maybe their new love interest?
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Potentially, maybe he's actually someone who works with Artemis on
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: some other thing, and it's something else completely And there's
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: just two things that just happened to be going at
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: the same time, and one of them is what killed them,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: and we're looking at the other for how this one's involved,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: when really it's not even involved at all. What if
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: those women didn't get their revenge? What if someone else
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: got to him for something else completely different?
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: First, and what happens is if Artemis was in that
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: other room with Joseph, maybe they killed someone else. Could
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: have been someone else. Yeah, maybe Artemis is a killer himself.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe so, I think we found the individual to kill Artemis.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: But the whole last story revolving around what had happened,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: how it all happened. Yeah, no fucking clue.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Mm Wow, this is an interesting one.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Hey, yep, I found this one and read it.
• 55:30
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• 55:33
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• 55:43
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• 55:45
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• 55:48
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• 55:50
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• 55:52
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• 55:54
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• 55:58
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• 56:00
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• 56:18
  Speaker 2: No, so should we go hit up a beach?
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I think we should. Let's go chill, relax and get
• 56:23
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• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do some adventure and de stress.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna throw a beer in my back too
• 56:28
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• 56:33
  Speaker 2: What else do you do on vacation?
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: You drink and do True crime podcast.
• 56:38
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• 56:40
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