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The Most Valuable Asset In Filmmaking Is Not Your Camera, It’s Your Community · Studio B Sessions

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Vipul Bindra: Welcome to another episode of Studio B Sessions with me, Bendra, owner of Bendra Productions here in Orlando.
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Vipul Bindra: And just like every other episode the season, we got Mario on the producer table.
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Vipul Bindra: Say hi, Mario.
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Mario Rangel: Hey guys, how are you today?
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Mario Rangel: Welcome for our next episode.
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Vipul Bindra: And good.
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Vipul Bindra: Look, uh the most viewed episode guest is back from season one, David Morfield.
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Vipul Bindra: David, thank you for coming.
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, man.
0:27
Vipul Bindra: You already changed everything.
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I know, right?
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Vipul Bindra: It's the same.
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Vipul Bindra: That wasn't like technically the lighting is the same, right?
0:34
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but um, but yeah, we did change everything.
0:37
Vipul Bindra: This is what I wanted to do, if that doesn't tell you.
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Vipul Bindra: This was the intention, but then you know that podcast was kind of just thrown together.
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David Morefield: Well, I do like how you were like, Oh, I want to do a podcast, and then you're like, All right, I'm already done.
0:48
David Morefield: Yeah, and I'm like, Oh, you can do things that fast.
0:51
David Morefield: And then you got the basis for, but I wanted to do this, which is a very, very cool setup, right?
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Vipul Bindra: And this so this was the intention.
1:00
Vipul Bindra: We finally have achieved it, and like I said, I want to thank Mario so much for helping me this season because you know it it takes I can't do everything, right?
1:08
Vipul Bindra: Last season was just one camera, me recording, doing ATEM, everything at the same time, while managing a conversation.
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Vipul Bindra: Guests were awkwardly closed, you know, because because of the angle that we had to have.
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Vipul Bindra: So I feel like this is more relaxed.
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Vipul Bindra: This is uh, you know, and and the whole point of this is just unfiltered, raw conversations, uh not unedited, you know, from real industry professionals that make a living doing this, uh, you know, instead of I don't know, some brand shows or whatever.
1:35
David Morefield: I like the couches.
1:36
David Morefield: I would like to have an L couch in my life, and uh so I'm I'm scanning the couch.
1:42
David Morefield: Yeah, look at that.
1:43
Vipul Bindra: No, it's pretty fun.
1:44
Vipul Bindra: The amount of people have come.
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Vipul Bindra: Obviously, this blue one was a new edition, uh, but we've had uh, you know, that couch, and the amount of people that have come in and the conversations we've had, the monies that's been made is crazy.
1:54
Vipul Bindra: Uh, talk about that.
1:55
Vipul Bindra: We just made a YouTube video about showing the studio before and after uh that was done before this new change.
2:01
Vipul Bindra: But that's literally what I was saying in there.
2:03
Vipul Bindra: It's like the the what's this given me is not like you think, oh, you're doing a lot of shoots here or whatever.
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Vipul Bindra: No, it's given me access to A, somewhere to prep the equipment, and B, even though we did do a couple shoots, but mostly uh be able to have friends over, be able to have other industry people over, and we can have these conversations where we can talk about projects, we can just uh you know transfer data, or we can just chat or catch up, and it's led to other opportunities that wouldn't have happened otherwise.
2:30
David Morefield: Yeah, you're making an an environment that has the option for an opportunity to randomly pop up, and like I get that request so much where people hit me up and say, Hey, I'm new in a town, or I just started, or I'm whatever.
2:48
David Morefield: Uh, let me know if I can jump on one of your shoots for free, paid, whatever.
2:53
David Morefield: And I just don't have those options to provide for people, like it's I don't have it.
2:59
David Morefield: Yeah, and I also don't have that many of them.
3:01
David Morefield: But I ask them, Well, what what are you doing?
3:05
David Morefield: Like, are you making anything?
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David Morefield: Are you creating anything where there's an option where maybe you could bring someone else in, or and a lot of them say no, and it's like well, from my little experience with vlogging, it's created a bunch of opportunities like that I didn't foresee.
3:22
David Morefield: So as long as I'm creating something myself, you're creating this podcast, I'm creating my vlogs, the people who are reaching out to me, you have to have something going too.
3:34
David Morefield: Yeah, like you it can't snowball unless you start something, even if it's just super small and minimal.
3:39
Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
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Vipul Bindra: No, you have to put in the effort for it to go somewhere, and and like I said, your your vlogs inspire me.
3:46
Vipul Bindra: That's that's essentially how we met.
3:47
Vipul Bindra: And and funny enough, even though I know cranky cameraman's been doing this longer than you have, I found out him because you told me about him, right?
3:54
Vipul Bindra: And you showed him on his channel and you mentioned it on the meetups, and and I watched these people.
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Vipul Bindra: I'm like, this is the type of content I want to watch.
4:01
Vipul Bindra: YouTube is a great platform as long as you know the people that that are producing the content that you want to watch.
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Vipul Bindra: And for me, it was like, sure, I'll watch a Gerald Undone video when I want to know certain camera, like just by the Ronin 8K.
4:15
Vipul Bindra: Like, okay, I want to know what's the dynamic range.
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Vipul Bindra: Quick scan episode, great, but it's not where I go to look for uh you know what's happening every day because we make our living making video, right?
4:25
Vipul Bindra: That's where I want to listen to people like you and cranky cameraman and other people.
4:29
Vipul Bindra: Uh, I think Tommy Beal was one that you, you know, you were sharing.
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Vipul Bindra: And and so people like that, I know he was he's not doing YouTube as uh anymore or as much anymore.
4:38
Vipul Bindra: So it was kind of like that.
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Vipul Bindra: So and and that's what what I love about YouTube is you can see these uh again, people who are in the field doing it day in, day out, and what they learn from it, like your rant series about the client, the the client from hell or or the the whole Sony fiasco, right?
4:55
Vipul Bindra: Uh you know, you would think that'd be boring content, but that's amazing and very interesting for people who are in the weeds.
5:02
David Morefield: Those actually the equipment, yeah, very well, and and it is surprising because I'm I'm passionately passionately talking to my camera with no one around, and I'm like, but that's his tone and the way he that email was sent, like no, you and I'm nerding out about it and enjoying it, and it is very surprising when I see a bunch of other people who are now oh, what happened next?
5:27
David Morefield: What happened in part two?
5:28
David Morefield: What happened in part three?
5:29
David Morefield: Because they're they're they're intrigued, right?
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Vipul Bindra: They're they're they're hooked to the to the story, and that has helped me.
5:36
David Morefield: I'm not creating full story-driven videos right now.
5:39
David Morefield: I've created a a short documentary, it was very fun, made a couple festival runs, but doing the YouTube videos has taught me so much more about storylines, like how to bring people in, how to set up something later.
5:57
David Morefield: You know, my one of my personal faults is in normal conversation, I give too much context.
6:04
David Morefield: Yeah, and I'm losing the person.
6:07
David Morefield: I need to get to the point.
6:08
David Morefield: Yeah, and on YouTube, you have to get to the point.
6:10
David Morefield: Yeah, so it's it's been very nice to like learn how to how to tell stories, even if they're not, you know, a narrative, it's it's like a narrative film, or it's just very bite-sized storytelling, which is fun.
6:24
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and I I like uh, like you said, it's it's what I to me what's amazing is again it's that raw, unfiltered feeling to it because it's you with your phone, editing on your phone.
6:34
Vipul Bindra: We know it's real.
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Vipul Bindra: This is right, uh, you know, this is it.
6:37
Vipul Bindra: And that's what I'm saying.
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Vipul Bindra: First, first I found out.
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Vipul Bindra: I know we talked about this last season.
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Vipul Bindra: Uh, I was looking for somebody and you had shared one of your videos, and I watched it, and I was just watching it anyway.
6:46
Vipul Bindra: After I was done, I was like, okay, he knows how to use a C70.
6:49
Vipul Bindra: That was, I think, my initial look.
6:51
Vipul Bindra: But then I watched your video and I was like, this is fun to see somebody going to a conference and how you're setting up, how you're figuring out solutions, even though you do this on a daily basis, and show so do you know, like other people who are let's say shooting conferences, being able to know that your thought process, I don't know, A is good for me as a professional, like seeing, oh, that's how he thinks, that's how he's approaching a problem.
7:12
Vipul Bindra: But then for clients, if they end up on your videos, because I know I worked for a client who uh, you know, I think you passed to Adam who told us because we were talking one day, we're like, How did you find and then he's like, Oh no, because I was looking for C70 operator in Orlando or something, and you came up, and then you know, he was like, Oh, he must know what he's doing because he's doing it, right?
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Vipul Bindra: So you're showing people what you're doing, and then you were like not available.
7:36
Vipul Bindra: So, like, Adam, why don't you uh, you know, uh go get that?
7:40
Vipul Bindra: And then uh that one time Adam need an extra person, and hey Ripple, why don't you jump in, right?
7:45
Vipul Bindra: It's like your vlog led to opportunity after opportunity after opportunity, and that was just you demonstrating what you were gonna do anyway.
7:53
David Morefield: Yeah, I would like to actually quantify the amount of income generated from my vlog because I would almost think it's it's like close to a million.
8:02
David Morefield: Probably, yeah.
8:03
David Morefield: Because you know, I have my income, which was gonna happen actually, not regardless.
8:09
David Morefield: It a lot of it happened because of the vlog.
8:11
David Morefield: And then I meet you, and then you have your own uh clients who were unique contractors.
8:19
David Morefield: Adam has clients where he brings you in, and then I started the the chat in Instagram, the amount of jobs being thrown around in there, contracts being taken, I can't do this, can you do this?
8:31
David Morefield: Um, does anybody know anyone in Milwaukee?
8:34
David Morefield: Yeah, I know a guy.
8:36
David Morefield: It's and then I have the Orlando chat, I have the San Francisco chat, the Dallas chat.
8:42
David Morefield: It's easily a million.
8:43
Vipul Bindra: Easily, if not more.
8:45
David Morefield: And it's not because of me, yeah, but it's it intertwined in this web of money got passed around because of personal connections.
8:53
Vipul Bindra: And and it's it's also things you wouldn't even think about.
8:56
Vipul Bindra: Like, for example, other people who bought their networks into your networks.
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Vipul Bindra: So, for example, when we did the uh the meetup together where I did the the Kia Center, right?
9:04
Vipul Bindra: I brought in my network.
9:06
Vipul Bindra: So people like Alex Miner, Ben, uh Quentin, you know, all those were not in your network.
9:10
Vipul Bindra: But when they came in, right, I just invited them to a cool meetup.
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Vipul Bindra: And then years later, now I'm talking to someone who's like, hey, uh, hey, I'm talking to this person, like, oh yeah, I worked with that guy because on the group.
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Vipul Bindra: So they were able to tap into your network and also find other people from you know, maybe your side of the network or somebody else who brought them to that networking event.
9:28
Vipul Bindra: Point is it, you know, the cross connections that are happening where you know, people uh, you know, may I have may have known and you may have known, and now they have they're not interacting with us directly, they're in you know, just just having a collaboration, which is awesome, yeah.
9:43
Vipul Bindra: Which is what you want to happen, right?
9:45
David Morefield: Yeah, it all these all these other opportunities start popping off outside of your effort now.
9:50
David Morefield: Yeah, like I'm not even connecting people anymore.
9:53
David Morefield: The people I connected are connecting others, and that's cool for me to see because I'm like, you know, there there's times where people come to the meetups and they're like, Who are you?
10:02
David Morefield: I don't know you, and I'm like, Oh, that's great.
10:04
David Morefield: Like, if you don't know me, you're not here because of a YouTube vlog.
10:07
David Morefield: You're here because someone connected you to someone else, and and you heard about this, and like that, that's great.
10:15
David Morefield: One thing I'm and I'm really glad you you had me here because there's like a million things I want to talk about.
10:19
David Morefield: We'll try to get to as much as we can.
10:21
David Morefield: As much as we can.
10:22
David Morefield: But one of them, I was talking to Tommy Beal uh the other day, and uh his story is is so cool of how he used YouTube as a way to increase his network when he went to a new location, a new market.
10:37
David Morefield: I think he went from like Mississippi to San Francisco, and he's like, I have no connections, I have um you know, I'm starting at scratch.
10:47
David Morefield: Like that's tough when you have a a wife and an infant.
10:51
David Morefield: So I was like, there's a lot more stakes on your play than than for me.
10:57
David Morefield: He has to get the ball rolling extremely fast, and he started vlogging, and honestly, I think he's one of the best vloggers, but he got out of it what he needed to.
11:07
David Morefield: He was able to establish a network, connect himself with others, have other people connect around him, um, show his level of competence, and he kind of was like, Now the vlogging is is a very big time commitment that I don't have because I'm working so much.
11:25
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, great, exactly, and he got what he wanted, and and and to be real, those connections were made because of vlogging, but I do like how he broke down where it was like in-person versus vlogging, yeah, because for example, I was just like said with Adam uh for a few days, and he was telling me how he's doing a project where he tapped me into going to Missouri with him, but then he had he tapped into Tommy Beal to do the San Francisco element with him.
11:49
Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
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Vipul Bindra: It's like all these connections, so everyone's getting work uh because of you know him starting to vlog and you starting to vlog, then you guys connecting and you connecting Adam to him because of your uh your event, I think your networking event you did in San Francisco, right?
12:04
Vipul Bindra: In the Bay Area.
12:05
Vipul Bindra: So so essentially, uh, you know, it's it's a spiral, uh spider web, rather, of web that grows uh from making just that initial investment into uh, I don't know, trying to tell share your story, right?
12:19
Vipul Bindra: Um and I'm sure I don't want to diminish what you do because there is a lot more to making a good YouTube video.
12:24
Vipul Bindra: But what I'm saying is it's it has to start with the intention of let me do it and then doing it, and then you can improve over time.
12:32
Vipul Bindra: I feel like more and more people should share their story or what they're doing.
12:37
David Morefield: I enjoy it because it's fun for me to um have an idea that comes in my head either if it's right in front of me or if it's something that I'm thinking of and I can film it right then, and then um I like preserve that thought, right?
12:52
David Morefield: I filmed it, I talked about it, and then when I need to edit, I'm like, oh yeah, that was that thought.
12:57
David Morefield: Okay, throw it in there.
12:58
David Morefield: Someone else might think it's interesting.
13:01
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
13:01
David Morefield: Um but I I wanted to uh maybe pivot a little bit because you have a ton of nice gear here.
13:07
David Morefield: So when I was talking to Tommy um this week, he was renting a very nice um Fujinon Cabrio 19 and 90 Cine zoom, and he has the Fujinon MK zooms, the 17 of the 50 to 135, somewhere around there.
13:29
David Morefield: And um I was like, man, I really like how you you I always feel like I see you with premium gear.
13:37
David Morefield: Like when he moved out there, he had he got the FX9, um, which is a very, very capable camera, higher level than the FX6, FX3s, you know, it's it's for people who are in this level of production, you know, you might need multiple SDIs, you might need a little bit extra, extra, extra with that you don't need.
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David Morefield: So I was like, oh, that's cool, it's heavier, bigger, more power hungry.
14:03
David Morefield: And then he had the cine zooms, which just look beautiful, they're nice to operate, no autofocus, you know, like he's making a lot of decisions that are like it may be a little harder, but kind of these are all considered higher tier options.
14:20
David Morefield: And then uh he had uh has a Sackler low-tech tripod.
14:27
David Morefield: You have a couple here.
14:28
David Morefield: I finally joined the club.
14:30
Vipul Bindra: I saw that because I got the right handles.
14:31
Vipul Bindra: Finally spent some money on sticks.
14:33
Vipul Bindra: Talk about uh sticks.
14:34
Vipul Bindra: I just bought another stick.
14:36
Vipul Bindra: Uh funny enough, I have two socklers, but I just added the the tribacks from small rig into the the handle one.
14:42
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, looks great, yeah.
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David Morefield: And and then he so I I told him, I was like, Man, I feel like you always have premium gear, and I I really like that.
14:51
David Morefield: Yeah, and he goes, That's by design.
14:55
David Morefield: I want to be associated with those things, I want to be synonymous with that tier of production because I get that tier of network, I get everything is at that level.
15:07
David Morefield: And this is nothing new, but I it was a light bulb moment where I was like, oh man, like I am normally looking for justification in I don't need to get that when I could get this.
15:22
David Morefield: Like, I don't need to get this if I could get this.
15:25
David Morefield: I can get the same results, you know.
15:26
David Morefield: And when I heard him intentionally say I'm spending more money to be at that level, to be at that that kind of have that face going forward, premium gear, um more polished type crews, dedicated roles, you know, I was like, that makes so much sense.
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David Morefield: What is the what is the negative cost of me going for a a lower tier item that can get the job done just as well?
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David Morefield: But how does that hurt my branding?
16:03
David Morefield: Exactly.
16:04
Vipul Bindra: No, you you've hit the uh and funny enough, uh a lot of that is perception, because believe it or not, you right now you can buy a used uh probably not when he bought it, but you can buy a used FX9 usually if you look for deals cheaper than a used FX6.
16:19
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, they're gonna be able to do that.
16:20
Vipul Bindra: Because they're discontinued because they're discontinued and the demand for FX6 is so high because they've been you know adopted by reality shows and everything.
16:27
Vipul Bindra: Uh so you can find and an FX9 is being dropped more and more, um, you know, outside of broadcasts.
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Vipul Bindra: So essentially, you can find an FX9 cheaper.
16:35
Vipul Bindra: However, there there is obviously negative XQD cards.
16:39
Vipul Bindra: Do you need a whole extra quarter?
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Vipul Bindra: That it's heavier, it's bigger, the image is a greenish tint, you know.
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Vipul Bindra: Taking all that into account, guess what does it do bring to you?
16:48
Vipul Bindra: Perceived higher value.
16:50
Vipul Bindra: You have a nine instead of a six, it looks bigger, it looks uh, you know, it gets six K, right?
16:56
Vipul Bindra: There's those are perceived values and and uh not real values, but it does matter.
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Vipul Bindra: You're right.
17:01
Vipul Bindra: You're you're now connected to a higher tier um uh network.
17:05
Vipul Bindra: You can be uh, like you say, you have flow text.
17:07
Vipul Bindra: You're like, oh, these are the sticks.
17:09
Vipul Bindra: This is what's used by pretty much uh, you know, uh, I don't want I don't like industry standard for sticks, but you know, they're used heavily uh by top-tier people, so so you like you said, there is that that perceived value, but at least on the sticks side, I'm like, hey, at least these nice sticks, those have a use, you know.
17:25
Vipul Bindra: Like I love using my flow text because they are good.
17:28
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but like camera, uh to me, an FX9 would be a bigger challenge for the type of stuff we do than an FX6, but that perceived value may be worth having an FX9.
17:38
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
17:38
Vipul Bindra: Uh because technically his zooms, I'm hoping I think he has other lenses, but like like you said, the zooms are technically super 35.
17:45
Vipul Bindra: So he has to, he's not even getting the full image circle off his out of his camera if using those lenses.
17:50
David Morefield: But he has 4K super 35, something that the FX6 doesn't have.
17:54
David Morefield: Um, and and I just remember he had the the aperture 600 light, and I remember being like, dang, this light is so big, it's taking up all the space in your trunk.
18:02
David Morefield: Don't you know there's so many other options where you could go smaller, have the same amount of output?
18:07
David Morefield: But then when I I just did a job recently in Nashville, and I was working with a photographer, I was video photographer was local, and um we connected over the phone, and and he was like, Yeah, do you need me to bring some lighting?
18:21
David Morefield: Like I do video as well.
18:23
David Morefield: And I was like, Oh, sure.
18:24
David Morefield: Like, what do you have?
18:25
David Morefield: And he's like, I have a couple 600s, I have a this, that, and I was like, Ah, you know, it's so nice just to hear um like these kind of industry standards, little like it's this.
18:38
David Morefield: Yeah, there's not like, oh, it's this obscure company that just started three years ago, and they have one option, but it's 500 watts, but only for an hour, and then it overheats.
18:49
David Morefield: Yeah, it's just nice to say, I have this level, and we all know what that level is.
18:54
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and and that's the advantage of like aperture lights.
18:56
Vipul Bindra: Now, to be real, they were the fringe company five, seven years ago where it was like who like like go to zune.
19:03
Vipul Bindra: So you never know.
19:04
Vipul Bindra: Today's uh, you know, some fringe company may become standard, but currently, uh, the shoot that we did at full sale, I was surprised.
19:11
Vipul Bindra: I'm not kidding.
19:13
Vipul Bindra: Every single light in there was aperture from cobs to panels to spotlights.
19:20
Vipul Bindra: And here's the thing, you have to think about all these next generation filmmakers that are studying at full sale.
19:25
Vipul Bindra: Guess what?
19:26
Vipul Bindra: They're gonna end up using aperture.
19:28
Vipul Bindra: So it's become the standard.
19:29
Vipul Bindra: So for me as a business owner, why I do I own majority of my lights, or if not all, are aperture, is because uh it's easier for me to say to any other filmmaker, like, oh yeah, we got a 1200x, 12, 600x, 600 D's here.
19:41
Vipul Bindra: They know how they set up, how do they need to attach a modifier, you know, how how to so it it makes I there's no training involved because they if not my set, they've used it on 10 other sets.
19:52
Vipul Bindra: So it versus if I have some uh you know unique light to me, you know, then I have to like show them, like, yeah, this has a mini bow Bowens, you gotta attach an adapter, you gotta sure it it's not that big of a deal if you're using it, but it adds that few extra seconds uh to training somebody on set, and then like you know, efficiency, it adds up, every little thing adds up to make you inefficient on set.
20:14
David Morefield: Yeah, and and that's an interesting business decision.
20:17
David Morefield: Um, because now that I'm a business, I always look at how other businesses run their business.
20:24
David Morefield: So let's take Aperture, for example.
20:26
David Morefield: They started out with low-entry type of units, right?
20:32
David Morefield: And then they built up the technology and then made bigger fixtures and are now trying to replace the typical Hollywood setups of you know, much more powerful lights, but it's taking them a while to get up that product line.
20:47
David Morefield: But what's happening is their customers are graduating up that product line, and they are able to start them at the beginning of their career back when there was a 120D tungsten, like Aperture 120T used to have those.
21:04
David Morefield: And then now then they offer the Lightning Light Storm Series, whatever it is, um, and then they offer the Amaran product line, and everybody can grow up as they increase their product lines.
21:17
David Morefield: And you look at the other side of like the industry standard brands who are only doing massive lighting, they're only serving the people at the top.
21:26
David Morefield: Yeah, and now those people are aging out, yeah, and the people coming up are like, Well, we have we have Aperture 1200s now.
21:35
David Morefield: We have what what is the new one?
21:37
David Morefield: The 1200X and the even more powerful one that they just whatever equivalent that is to the old picture, they're eventually just gonna be like, We all know how to use these, yeah.
21:49
David Morefield: And it works the same, yeah.
21:51
Vipul Bindra: What's crazy to me is a 5200 watt light that a partisan can lift.
21:54
Vipul Bindra: It's it's have you used it, by the way.
21:56
Vipul Bindra: Talk about innovation.
21:58
Vipul Bindra: Uh uh, you gotta see the 12.
21:59
Vipul Bindra: I love the pro uh lock.
22:02
Vipul Bindra: It's like a PL mount essentially.
22:04
Vipul Bindra: So my biggest thing I hated with lights with Bond's mount, I love because it's universal.
22:08
Vipul Bindra: But the issue is a lot of times if you want to change a dome on a light or whatever, especially with the bigger domes, you have to take the head down because it's just it's really hard to take it off.
22:18
Vipul Bindra: Um versus um, you know, with the 1200X and now and even the ADCs that added to the kit of the 1000C or the XT52, they have uh something called a Pro Lock mount, which is essentially like a peel mount.
22:29
Vipul Bindra: You just spin it and the the uh the modifier just comes out, and it's such a time saver.
22:35
Vipul Bindra: Now I'm like, oh, you're telling me I can actually swap out a modifier without having to take the head down, and it's these little things I'm sure it'll eventually come to the 600 watt lights.
22:43
Vipul Bindra: So the innovation that's happening in something as simple as lighting or the color quality, you throw a spectrum in front of this new 1200X with their Blair engine, which is just RGB ACL, um, uh, versus you do that in, you know, I don't know, these 600Xs, it's just a massive difference um in light quality to go from one generation.
23:02
Vipul Bindra: It's not like they've discontinued the 600x we're using here, but the new ones are just so much better.
23:07
Vipul Bindra: It's just like, like you said, I can graduate.
23:10
Vipul Bindra: I'm like, oh, I can go higher tier, I can get this better product.
23:13
Vipul Bindra: And also, this is kind of a lesson in what happens if you don't innovate.
23:18
Vipul Bindra: Like, if I remember correctly, 10 years ago, I couldn't go to a single set without having keynophs on set.
23:24
Vipul Bindra: That was the standard, right?
23:25
Vipul Bindra: Who has Kinoflows?
23:27
Vipul Bindra: I don't even know if the branding exists because I haven't looked at Kinoflows.
23:30
Vipul Bindra: I know they were doing some stuff with LED, but it was just like kind of like Kinoflow, who, right?
23:34
Vipul Bindra: It's it's just kind of disappeared.
23:36
Vipul Bindra: Um transporting those, yeah.
23:38
Vipul Bindra: The break and you have to have the big cakes.
23:41
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and then the whole the barn doors, yeah, you had to uh you had to gel them, yeah, they were hot, you know.
23:47
Vipul Bindra: It's it's come a long way, is what I'm saying.
23:49
Vipul Bindra: And then that's one of the examples of where it's like if they didn't innovate fast enough or innovate to where the industry is going, then you kind of you know are lost um in time, essentially.
23:59
David Morefield: Yeah, so I mean I I also play the other side of the argument where the first side was, you know, if you get premium gear, it it's a it's kind of a signal to to everybody you're working with the level that you're hopefully at.
24:12
David Morefield: Yeah, you're not just buying a bunch of expensive gear you don't know how to use.
24:15
David Morefield: But there it does get to a point where I'm like, does everything need to be premium and expensive?
24:21
David Morefield: Because that's a lot of money.
24:22
David Morefield: And you know, maybe I could go a little lower here and offset that and try to save costs because I can achieve the same result with some of the cheaper gear.
24:34
David Morefield: Exactly.
24:34
David Morefield: So it's it's now very interesting for me to to kind of pick and choose which items I want to go premium with.
24:42
David Morefield: Some of them are a much better user experience.
24:46
David Morefield: If like the h the higher price product a lot of times can be a much better experience because you're paying for a lot of the things, a lot of the conveniences.
24:55
David Morefield: But on the other side, there's other things where it's this isn't really client-facing, a client-facing product.
25:03
David Morefield: No one's really gonna see this, and I and it does the same thing.
25:07
David Morefield: So it's a battle of of how much do I want to put in for my the visual marketing of myself, and then how much for workflow, how much do I keep for costs, I like profit.
25:22
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, do I have to spend all it?
25:24
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, all the money.
25:25
Vipul Bindra: I mean, hey, it depends on what your your rules are, but I do like running uh, you know, the way you run it, it's it's gotta be lean because you're right, there is a lot of expenses, and which I guess you don't have to worry about if you're not a production company.
25:38
Vipul Bindra: But for example, like last year when I upgraded my um my storage system, that was a huge cost.
25:44
Vipul Bindra: It was like almost 10 grand.
25:45
Vipul Bindra: So to justify, you know, as a business owner, you have to go like, I'm justifying 10 grand for something that no client of mine ever will see, mine will ever see.
25:54
Vipul Bindra: They have no idea that exists, how much money we're spending on it.
25:58
Vipul Bindra: And uh, but it's a cost, it's a cost that have to do because it's like, hey, we regenerates of data every other day.
26:04
Vipul Bindra: We need to store it somewhere, we need to be able to edit off of it, we need 10 gig, so so Julie can work on it.
26:10
Vipul Bindra: The point is, uh, but then when you spend it, it it hurts.
26:14
Vipul Bindra: I was like, how much marketing?
26:15
Vipul Bindra: How much how much more could I do with this money on the front end?
26:18
Vipul Bindra: But I need to spend this because without this, we can't do what we need to do as as the work goes.
26:24
Vipul Bindra: So there's a lot of these type expenses where I always go, why am I spending this?
26:29
Vipul Bindra: Do I really want to spend it?
26:31
Vipul Bindra: Is it justified?
26:32
Vipul Bindra: So I have to think 10 times about spending it because it can be sometimes a huge amount of money so no nobody will ever see.
26:39
Vipul Bindra: Um, and and talk about going back a little to gear, same thing.
26:43
Vipul Bindra: Most of my projects where gear matters is helping other production companies or other filmmakers where they're like, hey, can you bring an FX6 or can you bring a 12 or an X or I need a Dolly or whatever, right?
26:55
Vipul Bindra: Those are where we we even talk about gears.
26:57
Vipul Bindra: My highest paid clients do not ever mention any gear or any level of gear, do not care, do not care um if we have socklers or if we have fx sixes or if we have FX3s or RE's or whatever.
27:11
Vipul Bindra: What my typical clients, I'm talking clients that pay 50 grand, 100 grand, 200 grand per project.
27:17
Vipul Bindra: These type of clients have never in once said, uh uh funny enough, the only camera brand I've heard named by them is GoPro.
27:25
Vipul Bindra: Because you know that's the one they know.
27:27
Vipul Bindra: Like, are you gonna bring a bunch of GoPros?
27:29
Vipul Bindra: It's like uh no, yeah, but you know, you get my idea.
27:31
Vipul Bindra: Like, they don't know camera brands, they don't know or the word DSLR.
27:34
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and clients don't know, and clients don't know, and that's where most of the majority of the income comes from.
27:39
Vipul Bindra: And so I could bring whatever.
27:41
Vipul Bindra: Now we, as Binder Productions, that's just my style.
27:44
Vipul Bindra: We bring the right gear to do the job, so it's not only efficient for us, it's the best for the client.
27:51
Vipul Bindra: Uh, so if the client pays me 50 grand, I'm gonna make sure they have the highest quality, latest gen aperture 1200x light or whatever on the side.
27:59
David Morefield: Because it's a system you trust and you know will get you those.
28:02
Vipul Bindra: Exactly, not because the client cares.
28:04
Vipul Bindra: Nothing would stop me from putting, let's say, two of the 600xs, I'm saying the on the shoot that are coming up, to light the the 8x8.
28:11
Vipul Bindra: It's the same, let's say, close enough real uh result.
28:16
Vipul Bindra: And most indoors we're lighting these at 1 to 2% anyway nowadays, lights.
28:20
Vipul Bindra: So it's not like we need the the high brightness, it's just the quality, right?
28:24
Vipul Bindra: But that's the that's the thing I choose, is what I'm saying.
28:27
Vipul Bindra: Like the client doesn't make me buy the socklers or the or the latest lights or the latest cameras or whatever.
28:33
Vipul Bindra: Um, so I'm saying it depends on who you're serving to.
28:36
Vipul Bindra: If your goal is to go work with end clients, gear may not be the most important factor, but for yourself, right?
28:44
Vipul Bindra: Right.
28:44
Vipul Bindra: But now you're trying to work with fit into other productions.
28:47
Vipul Bindra: Like I saw a really cool thing you did with Wall Street Journal, right?
28:50
Vipul Bindra: That's where gear could matter because they could come and say, hey, we'd like this format.
28:55
Vipul Bindra: We need MP4, we need MXF, we need it to be 4K, we need it to be FX6 or FX9 or whatever the requirements are, right?
29:02
Vipul Bindra: The client can lay it down and then it's up to you how you're gonna fulfill it, either directly or renting gear through your friends.
29:09
Vipul Bindra: But I'm saying that's only typically like where the gear matters, yeah, not in clients, and that's where I charge the most, right?
29:16
David Morefield: Yeah, I have um a lot of you know, a lot of people ask, um, should I get this camera to get to get more demand, you know, for myself as a freelancer?
29:25
David Morefield: Um typically what I see is workflow demand.
29:30
David Morefield: Uh we operate off of a S log workflow.
29:35
David Morefield: We operate off of a Cinytone workflow or an MP4 workflow.
29:40
David Morefield: We need to fit that.
29:41
David Morefield: Uh and typically it is uh the the most common request I get is Sony, S log 3 workflow uh or Cinytone.
29:49
David Morefield: And just because they're familiar with these terms, it's it's not a reflection of how good they are.
29:53
David Morefield: Yeah, it's a workflow.
29:54
David Morefield: We have everything done this way.
29:57
David Morefield: Please don't rock the boat.
29:58
David Morefield: Like that's it.
30:00
David Morefield: So you know, when when I I I really want an FX6 Mark II just to have MP4 that would make a huge difference for some of my lower tier clients who look at MXF and they can't even preview it without having the Apple Pro formats, you know, update.
30:17
David Morefield: Yeah.
30:18
David Morefield: So they're like, oh, it doesn't work.
30:20
David Morefield: I'm like, uh, you gotta put it into an NLE.
30:23
Vipul Bindra: What's an NL?
30:23
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, then you gotta, yeah, the and so it says that's the same conversation.
30:27
Vipul Bindra: So sometimes funny enough, the opposite happens.
30:29
Vipul Bindra: N clients want the raw footage, which A don't they don't understand the word raw.
30:33
Vipul Bindra: When they're saying raw, they mean unedited footage.
30:35
Vipul Bindra: Right.
30:36
Vipul Bindra: But but uh uh but they like I have to explain to them, like, hey, we're recording in log, in MXF formats, in the you know, it it's uh in their highest codec basically on our cameras possible.
30:48
Vipul Bindra: You're not gonna even be able to open these files.
30:51
Vipul Bindra: Right.
30:51
Vipul Bindra: If you want to pay for this, I I don't care.
30:54
Vipul Bindra: You know, here's a price.
30:55
Vipul Bindra: Obviously, there's a price to get the raw footage.
30:58
Vipul Bindra: Uh I can give you a price, but I am being I'm being real with you.
31:01
Vipul Bindra: You you cannot handle these files.
31:03
Vipul Bindra: So save yourself the funds because I don't want to create a negative experience where they get the files and they go, Oh, now what do now what do we do with these, right?
31:11
Vipul Bindra: Because they can't open them, they can't edit them, they can't process them or whatever.
31:15
Vipul Bindra: Um, because they're used to, like you said, smaller file sizes, formats like H264 or 265 that they can handle.
31:23
Vipul Bindra: Uh so uh so yeah, that can be a that can be a factor even with end clients where they want it, but they have no idea that it's inaccessible.
31:30
David Morefield: Yeah, and and I really do like being able to choose the gear that works best for me.
31:34
David Morefield: Sometimes you do do that.
31:36
David Morefield: Um one situation that that went from you to Adam was I think Adam hired you uh to go to DC or something, and you were there, and you had you know, the shoot had been designed, it's a whatever three camera shoot, we're doing this, this, and this.
31:52
David Morefield: And then once you're there, this is not your client, this is Adam's client.
31:56
David Morefield: And they said, Um, the the producer said kind of something like this, yeah, but I want a camera on me.
32:02
David Morefield: Yeah, and when Adam was telling me this, I was like, oh, like just bells going off.
32:09
David Morefield: Is there even another camera to do this?
32:12
David Morefield: Um do you politely say that's not the scope that was agreed to by my client?
32:19
David Morefield: Maybe we don't need this.
32:21
David Morefield: And so when he was telling me the story, I was like, Oh, I I cannot wait to hear how Vipple handled this.
32:26
David Morefield: And he said, Vipple pulled out another camera, which I'm like, I don't even own that many cameras.
32:34
David Morefield: Yeah, so you pulled it out and said, sure, we're gonna put this on you, yeah, on your side table because you have sticks, you know, and and it made them feel good.
32:44
David Morefield: They're like, good, I want an angle on me, full well knowing that angle is not gonna get used.
32:49
David Morefield: The light, I don't even think you turned the lights, yeah, exactly.
32:53
David Morefield: But it made them feel good, exactly.
32:54
David Morefield: That's what they wanted.
32:56
David Morefield: Um, you didn't even need to put a memory card in there, you know.
33:00
David Morefield: It doesn't matter.
33:00
Vipul Bindra: But we did, we did record.
33:01
Vipul Bindra: We we were because I'm like, hey, you never know because she does get emotional or something happens.
33:06
Vipul Bindra: I don't want to be like, oh yeah, we weren't recording again.
33:09
Vipul Bindra: That's not my style.
33:10
Vipul Bindra: I will not so, but yeah, you're right.
33:12
Vipul Bindra: The way to handle that would be like, hey, we can create conflict, conflict, conflict, or let me pull out my backup camera because you always gotta have a backup camera.
33:20
Vipul Bindra: To me, that's what makes me a pro than than just any other videographer, anyway.
33:24
Vipul Bindra: So I just pulled out a backup camera, but here's how I resolve it.
33:27
Vipul Bindra: I don't I I know the problems in my head.
33:30
Vipul Bindra: I already know I have the memory cards obviously in the camera, but I'm saying I don't have I don't have sticks, I don't have a V mount set up for it, I don't have a lot of because you know, so it may die uh and you could voice all this to them, yeah.
33:40
Vipul Bindra: They're like, I don't yeah, can you do it or not?
33:42
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
33:43
Vipul Bindra: So it's like, hey, any manual's there helping me.
33:46
Vipul Bindra: Great get second camera assistant, whatever.
33:48
Vipul Bindra: I was like, hey, can you give me that side table?
33:50
Vipul Bindra: So it's like, oh, let's get a couple of books.
33:51
Vipul Bindra: We lined it up and we we showed them.
33:53
Vipul Bindra: We're like, okay, so this camera is for you, these cameras are for them.
33:56
Vipul Bindra: So we're still a rolling how we want to, yeah, but we have this and we started rolling it, and uh, and and at the end of the day, I was like, okay, we have an angle that they wanted, we are rolling if we ever get any good footage out of this, but most likely, because I handle running a production company helps us.
34:11
Vipul Bindra: I can see from the post side, I'm like, there's high likelihood Adam's not using any of this footage, but we have it, you know, and and that that was just the the easiest resolution possible with no conflicts.
34:23
Vipul Bindra: Uh now that doesn't mean, and I know we talked about it last time, but it's like if that doesn't mean if they they put a request out that we couldn't solve, I wouldn't say no.
34:31
Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
34:32
Vipul Bindra: Because at the end of the day, that wasn't scope of the uh, you know, the scope of the project.
34:37
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but at the but if I can resolve it, I'd rather resolve it than create a conflict.
34:42
Vipul Bindra: That's why they hired me, you know.
34:44
Vipul Bindra: Even though you're right, technically there should be an extra charge for an extra camera, extra lens, more footage, more time to upload.
34:52
Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
34:53
Vipul Bindra: It does add cost, you know.
34:55
David Morefield: Rocked the flow of the ship.
34:56
David Morefield: Yeah, exactly.
34:57
David Morefield: We have to set up this other thing.
34:59
David Morefield: Yeah, we were ready to go, now we gotta do this.
35:01
David Morefield: But so you saying you always have backup cameras.
35:05
David Morefield: I mean, first of all, that's just a lot of cameras to have in general, and then having bike backups that you you flew there, so you brought more than that, like it's a lot, it's a lot of extra batteries.
35:17
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and then yeah, it was a lot of stuff to fly with, you're right.
35:19
David Morefield: Yeah, um, but you but like you said, that's how you do your job.
35:23
David Morefield: Yeah, that's if that was your client, that's how you would have done it.
35:26
David Morefield: You would have to do that.
35:27
David Morefield: That's how you treat my friends, yeah.
35:28
David Morefield: Exactly.
35:28
David Morefield: And then and then I was talking to Adam, and he was saying that when a when a end client comes in and says, we want to do this, this, and this.
35:41
David Morefield: He goes, I don't ask them like how many cameras do you want?
35:44
David Morefield: How you know, which would all be questions that I would ask as a freelance camera guy.
35:49
David Morefield: Yeah.
35:50
David Morefield: That those are the questions I would definitely ask.
35:52
David Morefield: And he goes, No, I see it differently.
35:54
David Morefield: I see it as in you telling me the scope, I'll filter it through my brain and then create the scenario of what works best.
36:03
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
36:03
David Morefield: Instead of saying, Would you like the one camera option or the two-camera option?
36:08
David Morefield: Um, because there's just so many times where you get there and they go, Can we get another camera up?
36:14
David Morefield: You know?
36:14
David Morefield: Yeah.
36:15
David Morefield: And they're like, And you're like, oh, the you you ordered the one camera option.
36:19
David Morefield: So either I didn't bring the second one or the second one's gonna take some time to put together.
36:24
Vipul Bindra: To be uh to be real, I wouldn't expect that off you anyway, because you're a freelancer.
36:28
Vipul Bindra: So if I hired you, David, as a camp, I'm only expecting you to bring one camera because that's what I hired you to do.
36:35
Vipul Bindra: That is literally the scope of the city.
36:37
Vipul Bindra: But but that's what he hired you to do.
36:39
Vipul Bindra: But you brought extras.
36:40
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but that's just me.
36:41
Vipul Bindra: You don't yeah, so and that's why tell people do as uh you know, as I say, not as I do, because you're right.
36:46
Vipul Bindra: Financially, it's not a viable thing.
36:48
Vipul Bindra: But remember, I am also just uh able to justify that expense because I have a production company, I can go charge my client 50 grand.
36:56
Vipul Bindra: But if I'm making thousand bucks, two thousand bucks, three thousand bucks, it wouldn't make sense to own five cameras, for example, right?
37:03
Vipul Bindra: Uh I don't know.
37:03
Vipul Bindra: I I don't know how you justify that.
37:06
David Morefield: Push back a little bit because you were able to save that shoot.
37:10
David Morefield: You didn't charge for the fourth camera.
37:13
David Morefield: Yeah, you saved Adam from having his client have like, oh, we we didn't really like that guy you sent.
37:20
David Morefield: He didn't give me the fourth camera that we didn't pay for.
37:22
David Morefield: Yeah, you know.
37:23
David Morefield: No, it was a great, great experience.
37:25
David Morefield: And then that will make Adam be like, oh, let me just hire him again.
37:29
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
37:30
David Morefield: So oh, I didn't get the extra, whatever, 200 bucks for the fourth camera.
37:34
David Morefield: But the the like way you get paid back is in in future contracts, future connections.
37:43
David Morefield: So I I can see that side, which is different than what I normally do.
37:50
David Morefield: I I I my initial reaction is to go, hey, you know, with that that wasn't what we agreed to.
37:57
David Morefield: Maybe we can work something out.
37:58
David Morefield: I think I need to get approval from you guys if you want to do an additional uh change in scope.
38:02
David Morefield: Then it just like kind of muddies the water.
38:05
David Morefield: Yeah, and it just creates the negative experience.
38:06
David Morefield: Yeah, never negative experience, it waste time, but um you are bringing in your experience as a production company, whereas I'm thinking like a freelancer, and I think that it is very good when you can have both sides of the coin in your head.
38:20
David Morefield: Yes, because you are you are thinking more long-term rather than that line item wasn't on the invoice, I'm not giving it to you.
38:29
David Morefield: That's crazy.
38:30
David Morefield: It's a little bit better to to kind of think cohesively, yeah.
38:35
Vipul Bindra: And see, and and that's not my style because I am the premium option.
38:38
Vipul Bindra: I don't want to be, you know, I would get it if you know you're you're a lower tier option, you're not expected to have it.
38:44
Vipul Bindra: But but talking about uh, you know, the other side of it, I think you have to be reasonable as in depending on the scope of jobs.
38:50
Vipul Bindra: So for example, I have a bare minimum, like you're you know, I need to get this to get out of bed, type of thing.
38:55
Vipul Bindra: Um, and and to be real, I think it's very low for what I bring.
38:58
Vipul Bindra: But uh the other day, Adam reached out and he's like, Hey, I I may need somebody to babysit a camera, and you know, it's it's a low rate, but blah blah blah.
39:09
Vipul Bindra: You know, uh and then you know, I was like, So do I need to bring any equipment?
39:12
Vipul Bindra: He's like, No.
39:13
Vipul Bindra: I was like, okay, I'll do it.
39:15
Vipul Bindra: You know, hey would a client have reached out to me, would have ever said yes, no, but it's a Adam, like you said, we have that relationship whereas he's brought me on shoots, I brought him on shoots, so it's like absolutely, I can make the schedule work.
39:28
Vipul Bindra: Can I come babyset a camera for you?
39:31
Vipul Bindra: Absolutely, right?
39:32
Vipul Bindra: And and and so I was willing to take a late rate that I haven't taken like in I don't know, 10 years or whatever, right?
39:38
Vipul Bindra: But to be honest, when I was done, at first I was like hesitant, but I showed up, I was like, this was totally worth it.
39:43
Vipul Bindra: Because I literally spent all day there, there, maybe fixing a couple of lights, maybe moving the sticks a little bit.
39:49
Vipul Bindra: And I was like, This is how my freelancers feel because I was like, I you it felt so weird leaving the house with nothing.
39:56
Vipul Bindra: I even had to text him, I was like, Are you sure?
39:58
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I am bringing nothing.
40:00
Vipul Bindra: And then it was the same thing with shoot.
40:02
Vipul Bindra: He was like, uh, still packing up, and I was like, Do you need any help?
40:04
Vipul Bindra: So I helped him whatever he needed, but he was like, No, you go.
40:07
Vipul Bindra: And I felt so weird leaving the set while people are still, you know.
40:10
Vipul Bindra: And I was like, What is happening?
40:12
Vipul Bindra: Is this the life?
40:13
Vipul Bindra: So I see your perspective.
40:15
Vipul Bindra: Like, there's a dream to it.
40:17
Vipul Bindra: Uh, to the other side, where I'm like, huh, sure, the money may not be as good, but um, I had no expenses.
40:22
Vipul Bindra: You know, the brain was empty.
40:24
Vipul Bindra: My brain was empty.
40:26
Vipul Bindra: I was genuinely like, This is a lifestyle.
40:29
Vipul Bindra: Now, will I take this forever?
40:30
Vipul Bindra: No, I really love the conflict resolution, the problem solving, all the stuff that comes as a production company.
40:35
Vipul Bindra: But from time to time, it opened my brain.
40:38
Vipul Bindra: I was like, hey, if I have days available, I was not keeping myself away from this opportunity.
40:43
Vipul Bindra: Because even with Adam, I've been the guy, right, who brings the gear, who brings everything.
40:46
Vipul Bindra: I I literally turned to Adam day three, I was like, Oh, so this is what you do, you lazy son.
40:52
Vipul Bindra: I was like, Oh, so here you go.
40:56
Vipul Bindra: Uh, if you need any other time, you know, let's revisit these rates.
41:00
Vipul Bindra: I will come more to, you know, like uh you very as long as I don't have to bring anything, we can we can renegotiate because I'm like, this is this is amazing.
41:08
David Morefield: Yeah, he uh he will frequently contract me to be the DP, and he'll just bring his gear just because like it's just workflow, he knows everything works, everything's in there, yeah, it fits in his pelican.
41:20
Vipul Bindra: I was telling him how do how did David get the better deal?
41:23
Vipul Bindra: How is the U2 go?
41:24
Vipul Bindra: He brings all the gear.
41:25
Vipul Bindra: How come he and I go and then I bring all the gear?
41:27
Vipul Bindra: I was like, this is not the the what do you call the the best deal of the century or anyway?
41:33
David Morefield: The better deal for sure, and uh and then we were at the airport, and he he's like you know, going to oversize check-in and you know, doing that annoying line, and then I got my backpack, and then I'm going like holding my backpack, taking a picture like this, and he goes, I know what you're doing.
41:50
David Morefield: Like you're taking a uh photo for your story saying traveling, one backpack, this is all I got, and I was like, Yeah, this is great, dude.
41:59
David Morefield: Like, I appreciate this, and I'm only getting the labor rate, I'm not getting the labor plus gear, but taking out the gear rate, how much I get back, yeah, is I um I told you my brain's empty.
42:13
Vipul Bindra: Because also remember the prep time, the packing time, the unpacking time, putting it back to where it belongs or whatever.
42:20
Vipul Bindra: That's a time element that you're saving.
42:21
Vipul Bindra: And that means either more time with your family or doing things you love, or uh more time to work.
42:27
Vipul Bindra: So there is a benefit.
42:29
Vipul Bindra: Now, I'm not saying uh I at least for me, and this is again, it's it's it's a good to experience both sides just so you can see what you like better.
42:36
Vipul Bindra: But I'm saying I would hate on anyone who's like that's the lifestyle.
42:40
Vipul Bindra: That's why I'm like, I've been paying Mario too much because he's been just coming and helping me a lot.
42:44
Vipul Bindra: I'm like, oh, so you're telling me you get up and you just show up, or a lot of time I've even been picking up him up because you know he's lucky now uh I say not lucky, but he's but he just lives a couple minutes from here, so it makes no sense a lot of time to just have him drive here because it's on the way.
42:58
Vipul Bindra: So I've even been picking up, I'm like, so you're I'm giving you taxi service, yeah.
43:01
Vipul Bindra: The van shows up.
43:05
Mario Rangel: I go, yeah, you pick me up for every shoot, so yeah, it's like a premium premium uh service.
43:13
Vipul Bindra: And then he gets on, it helps with the van.
43:16
Vipul Bindra: No, uh not to get no, there's there's value on my side too, because it's like he knows the gear, he's worked with this new setup, he knows where to put everything.
43:22
Vipul Bindra: So, but I'm just saying the the the funny side on the other side, I'm like, you're telling me, yeah, you know, you you get out of your home, there's a van waiting for you, get in, you you know, you get out of the shoot, you do your shoot, you get dropped off at home, and you're done.
43:34
David Morefield: There's a there's a lot of times so I'll show up to a gear with earbuds.
43:37
David Morefield: Yeah.
43:38
David Morefield: And I'm like, I was only told to bring headphones.
43:40
David Morefield: Quite literally.
43:41
David Morefield: Everything else, I think I've done that for you.
43:43
David Morefield: Yeah, because that's all a lot of um contracting jobs.
43:47
David Morefield: Is they're like, the gear will be there.
43:48
David Morefield: I there was even one where I went to a conference in Chicago and and I could only take the late flight, so the and I was filling in for a crew member that had to leave.
43:59
David Morefield: One man band type of thing.
44:01
David Morefield: So the so that guy had to set up the gear for me because there wouldn't be time for when my late flight arrived.
44:09
David Morefield: And then I walked in with headphones and I just like looked at the lights and I'm like, yeah, this is good.
44:15
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
44:15
Vipul Bindra: The perfect life, right?
44:16
David Morefield: You just and then I just plugged in my headphones and I was like, name.
44:20
David Morefield: Okay, audio's good.
44:21
David Morefield: Yeah, we're ready.
44:23
Vipul Bindra: Like this is this is perfect.
44:24
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
44:25
Vipul Bindra: So and I that's why I I think this conversation need to happen so people can hear.
44:29
Vipul Bindra: Like, it's not just one avenue to pursue this career.
44:32
Vipul Bindra: There's multiples.
44:33
Vipul Bindra: You could do a mix of them.
44:34
Vipul Bindra: You could pick the lane that you want to be in.
44:36
Vipul Bindra: And there's there's very much a way to make a living without owning any gear.
44:41
Vipul Bindra: Mario, do you own any gear for real?
44:44
Vipul Bindra: Any cinema camera?
44:45
Mario Rangel: No cinema camera.
44:47
Mario Rangel: Just hybrid.
44:48
Vipul Bindra: Okay.
44:48
Vipul Bindra: So one hybrid camera, is that all you own?
44:50
Mario Rangel: Yes.
44:50
Vipul Bindra: How many shoots have you done for me this year?
44:53
Mario Rangel: For you?
44:53
Mario Rangel: Uh-huh.
44:54
Vipul Bindra: At least for me.
44:55
Mario Rangel: I know you've worked with For you, maybe 10 already?
44:58
Mario Rangel: Yeah.
44:59
Mario Rangel: Sounds like he's on the stand.
45:00
Mario Rangel: Yeah.
45:01
Mario Rangel: No cameras, Your Honor.
45:02
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
45:03
Vipul Bindra: It's crazy.
45:04
Vipul Bindra: So what I'm saying is that there's an opportunity.
45:06
Vipul Bindra: You can actually be a freelancer where you can have no equipment or let's say very limited equipment because you don't need it.
45:13
Vipul Bindra: Production companies or other freelancers or other people may own the equipment.
45:17
Vipul Bindra: They just need an operator in your network.
45:19
David Morefield: Yes.
45:19
David Morefield: If you didn't invest in your network, you're not working at all.
45:22
David Morefield: And you're not getting the jobs where all they needed was a simple lighting kit.
45:27
David Morefield: So it's like, like you're saying, it's both.
45:29
David Morefield: You can but you have to network anyway.
45:31
David Morefield: Yeah, you can be the freelancer with no gear.
45:34
David Morefield: Like I'll play all of these roles.
45:36
David Morefield: Sometimes I'm the freelancer with no gear.
45:38
David Morefield: Sometimes I'm the freelancer with all the gear, and the clients not even showing up.
45:43
David Morefield: It's just me.
45:44
David Morefield: And then other times I'm the production company owner who's bringing in crew.
45:48
David Morefield: Um, I'm I'm doing that next week.
45:52
David Morefield: I it's not my favorite role to be in.
45:55
Vipul Bindra: So let's switch to that then.
45:56
Vipul Bindra: I want to talk about because last time we talked, you're doing incredibly well uh because you had found this amazing retainer client uh who didn't have high demands as far as gear goes, but they wanted you, right?
46:08
Vipul Bindra: Because of your technical knowledge or whatever, but you were also a production company.
46:12
Vipul Bindra: So now you're bringing crew, you're helping them with scripting and all the other stuff.
46:15
Vipul Bindra: Point is so you kind of saw the my side of things where you're like, oh, I gotta price this.
46:19
Vipul Bindra: You know, correctly.
46:20
Vipul Bindra: What I thought you were enjoying it.
46:22
Vipul Bindra: I am so sorry.
46:23
David Morefield: Is that conversation uh is that relationship still ongoing?
46:26
David Morefield: Yeah, so we're a year and a half in, and um it has if I wasn't paying attention, I don't think it would be around because I would have been like, no, this is how we do production.
46:39
David Morefield: And this client is in a position where they go, like you said, uh you said like a second ago, you said um it was because my technical knowledge, it's not that at all.
46:52
David Morefield: I thought it was that and it's the vibe, it's you work well with us, and we want that because we're in Orlando, they're in Palm Beach, two and a half hour drive, and I take it twice a month before we we do travel, work, work, travel.
47:13
David Morefield: So that means travel days, gas mileage, hotels, per diemes.
47:19
David Morefield: I'm like, you could find someone in South Florida.
47:22
David Morefield: Yeah, because it's technically four days of work, it becomes eight days because it's travel.
47:26
David Morefield: Yeah, yeah.
47:27
David Morefield: So I'm like, I you know, in the beginning, I was like, are you are you working with us just because we're working right now and it's just easier to to keep going?
47:37
David Morefield: Because I know a lot of people in South Florida who could crush this job and not have to pay hotels, and and just the obvious answer after months and months of work that I just kept hearing is like, no, no, we like working with you.
47:51
David Morefield: Kind of like we could afford other people, we could make it less you know, make the expenses lower, but we like working with you, and that's what we're prioritizing because when we work with you, you give the person on camera the comfortability to to fully execute, and that is what we want.
48:15
David Morefield: You're just helping that.
48:17
David Morefield: So keep it going.
48:19
David Morefield: Do you have what availability do you have the next six months?
48:23
David Morefield: Let's start putting those in, penciling those in.
48:25
David Morefield: So I, you know, I've never had a retainer.
48:27
David Morefield: I didn't even want a retainer, I just kind of fell backwards into this one, and the pay has been substantial to do eight days contracted every single month for 18 months.
48:41
David Morefield: Like I I've never had this much money before.
48:45
David Morefield: I'm able to save so much, and it's a great working relationship, yeah.
48:50
Vipul Bindra: And plus now you don't have the desire to, um, or maybe you do, you crack correct me, to then go, I need to buy this, this, this, because you already have the client dialed in, right?
49:00
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, they are they are yeah, you know what they want, they know what to expect of you.
49:04
Vipul Bindra: The the you know, at this point, you know, it's it's so dialed in that I I don't it it it'll help you probably lower your expenses because you're like, oh, you know, if you were just a freelancer, you're like, let me buy this, let me buy this, let me buy this.
49:17
Vipul Bindra: But now you're like, I don't need anything unless you just want it.
49:20
Vipul Bindra: It's there's no need because they're happy with what you have.
49:22
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
49:23
David Morefield: Last year I made a video called The Trap, yeah, the freelancer trap.
49:27
David Morefield: And it was the trap is what so many people fall into.
49:32
David Morefield: Oh, this job could really benefit from this piece of gear, and I could use it on other shoots.
49:37
David Morefield: All right, let me get that piece of gear.
49:39
David Morefield: Oh, it's great, and then the same thing happens for the next one, and then the next one, and the next one.
49:43
David Morefield: And you're like, have all this gear.
49:45
David Morefield: That one takes up a lot of room, costs a lot of money.
49:47
David Morefield: You might not use as much as you thought, but you are thinking, but I'm trying to invest in my business.
49:54
David Morefield: I'm trying to invest in providing the best service possible, and it's really slowing you down financially.
50:01
David Morefield: You're not even using all this gear.
50:02
David Morefield: You could have made it work, and I don't think anybody would have noticed if you didn't have that piece of gear.
50:08
David Morefield: So for this one, I think you'll you'll enjoy this.
50:11
David Morefield: I had this was last week for the retainer client.
50:14
David Morefield: I had my FX6 and my doctor bag.
50:16
David Morefield: I have it rigged out just the way I want.
50:18
David Morefield: Pull it out, throw it on my Sackler.
50:20
David Morefield: I'm like, this is so great.
50:22
David Morefield: I achieved like optimum efficiency, great workflow.
50:26
David Morefield: And it stayed in the bag the entire shoot.
50:29
David Morefield: We shot everything on this, um, with mics, like little Wi-Fi mics, and I and I was like, I didn't even like touch that camera.
50:39
David Morefield: It's very, it's a very specific client.
50:43
David Morefield: They're creating Facebook ads, so a lot of times they want to lean into the UGC side, they want it to look less professional.
50:50
David Morefield: So you know it's it's it's a very different than the situation I gave earlier, like with Tommy Beal, who's who's in more complex, higher level shoots, yeah, where that gear is needed.
51:04
David Morefield: For this specific client, they they want to go through the path of least resistance, and sometimes they intentionally want to degrade the quality of the footage to get more authenticity when they make their Facebook ad.
51:17
David Morefield: So for me, that's led me down to this rabbit hole of like different social media mics and HollyLand Lart 2S, whatever with the clip-on.
51:26
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I got the Max 2s now.
51:28
Vipul Bindra: They they have a new version, they'll always come out and new stuff.
51:30
David Morefield: Yeah, and and then like I have like four cheap mics.
51:34
David Morefield: Like I have the DJI mic twos, the Holly Land, what is it?
51:38
Vipul Bindra: Uh they have the M2, the M2S, and now Mark.
51:43
David Morefield: Okay, M2S, and then I also got these like super cheap Amazon clunker mics that are um have four transmitters into one receiver that can plug into a phone.
51:57
David Morefield: And then uh I have the the higher quality Sony UWP system, which I thought I was gonna use all the time, right?
52:05
David Morefield: Thanks to your last problem.
52:06
David Morefield: And but they all serve a purpose for this.
52:10
David Morefield: So kind of all in all to say is like you you were saying I found my workflow.
52:15
David Morefield: I definitely found my workflow, and it was not what I thought.
52:18
David Morefield: Yeah, it was gonna be better key.
52:20
Vipul Bindra: The good thing is you still have it though, you could still plug into other productions.
52:23
Vipul Bindra: It's not like you have eight days committed.
52:25
Vipul Bindra: That does not mean there's 22 days in the month that you know you can't go work other jobs, which you are.
52:30
Vipul Bindra: And that's to me, see, the way I look there's two ways to look at this, right?
52:34
Vipul Bindra: Because having talked to you enough, I know what you like.
52:36
Vipul Bindra: You you don't want to be booked, right?
52:38
Vipul Bindra: You want to be available to take all the opportunities.
52:40
Vipul Bindra: But there's two ways you can look at it.
52:42
Vipul Bindra: Hey, I have 30 days available to fill in the calendar, but I have the uncertainty of will I have enough money or what do I need to buy, or all this other uncertainties.
52:51
Vipul Bindra: But here now you have sure you have eight days are booked roughly per month, but now you have 22 days of freedom where you're like, you have no worries, as in like if you don't take a job, you can say no if you don't want to.
53:03
Vipul Bindra: You only take the jobs that you want to because you really want to, right?
53:08
Vipul Bindra: And and I uh to me, that's the ultimate freedom.
53:10
Vipul Bindra: It's better than a nine to five, it's still kind of like a job, but it's like I don't know, the best kind because you're only committing eight.
53:18
David Morefield: A specific situation that relates to that.
53:19
David Morefield: Last week, um I I had a contact, and whenever this guy calls, I'm like, oh man, this is gonna be something big.
53:27
David Morefield: Like he does very big um projects with UFC fighters, and I was lucky enough to get onto one of his um docuseries shoots as like camera six.
53:42
David Morefield: Like I was like way down the line.
53:44
David Morefield: Yeah, the last one.
53:45
David Morefield: And um, but I know whenever he calls, it's gonna be some really cool access, very cool project.
53:51
David Morefield: And he called and said, uh, one of our we're doing a f a feature-length dock.
53:57
David Morefield: This fighter is gonna fight in the UFC this weekend on Saturday, and then on Sunday, someone needs to receive him when he flies into his airport in in Miami or wherever down south.
54:10
David Morefield: Um, and we need to get that scene of him coming in, and then he's gonna like see his daughter for like his newborn daughter.
54:18
David Morefield: Okay.
54:18
David Morefield: Like that this sounds yeah, really intense.
54:21
Vipul Bindra: Like, you have a run chance to get it, right?
54:23
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, seems like, yeah.
54:24
Vipul Bindra: Right, yeah.
54:25
David Morefield: Never met this person.
54:25
David Morefield: Like, you gotta be on your P's and Q's to be able to jump into that highly emotional situation, not fumble around and you know it's pretty interesting.
54:36
David Morefield: Um I had a point to this story.
54:41
Vipul Bindra: So fighter lost.
54:44
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, okay.
54:45
Vipul Bindra: So you were able to jump in.
54:46
Vipul Bindra: Uh, did you were you able to jump into this one, or did you have to say no?
54:49
Vipul Bindra: Got it.
54:50
Vipul Bindra: I know that's where we're leaning going towards yeah, yeah.
54:52
Vipul Bindra: Um, so thank you.
54:54
David Morefield: So um I had a flight the next morning to leave Florida at like 9 a.m.
55:02
David Morefield: And I knew this shoot, he flew in at 6 p.m.
55:05
David Morefield: the night before, and it's in Miami, three and a half hours away.
55:10
David Morefield: I was like, I'm gonna get home at like 3 a.m.
55:12
David Morefield: and then have to be at the airport at 5.
55:15
David Morefield: Like this is just gonna be way too insane.
55:19
David Morefield: And the the guy was like, nope, that's fine.
55:22
David Morefield: We're sending our other guy over who also had a crazy schedule.
55:26
David Morefield: Sometimes the sleep schedules in this industry are insane.
55:31
Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
55:31
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, tell me about it.
55:32
Vipul Bindra: Like, I did the last few podcasts, it was only a couple hours of sleep because that's what you could do.
55:37
David Morefield: I would go into this gig and then you know, prepping for this, and then yeah, it's just yeah, and so I was like, Hey, like he the producer was like, Oh yeah, I don't think this is gonna be the right fit.
55:48
David Morefield: And I was like, I agree, it's it's just it's too tight, and he goes, No problem, we'll send the other guy.
55:53
David Morefield: And talking to my now fiance, she's not my girlfriend anymore, and and Giselle said, You know, if if if you had a a lifestyle with much more overhead mortgage and blah blah blah, you'd be like, Well, I do need that extra couple grand.
56:13
David Morefield: That would make this month a lot easier.
56:16
David Morefield: But because you don't have that overhead, you're able to say, Oh, what works best for me?
56:21
David Morefield: I think that'd be a little too intense.
56:23
David Morefield: Nah, let's let's hand it off to someone else.
56:26
David Morefield: So as someone, like you said, eight days of of retainer work allows me the freedom to say yes or no to these other opportunities.
56:37
David Morefield: That one was really cool, but I I do think it it would have hurt that the next day of travel, that job, and it might not have been the smartest thing for me to do to jeopardize that client.
56:50
David Morefield: Me showing up tired, nobody wins in that.
56:53
David Morefield: Nobody wins, yeah.
56:54
David Morefield: And but I had the ability to say no, yeah.
56:57
David Morefield: And that freedom to me is just everything.
57:00
David Morefield: Yeah, I don't know many people who have that, and I'm not saying it's the right way to be because I I I look at other people who are um really productive and they are keeping their expenses high, but they are in motion forward, and that is a very admirable thing for me to witness.
57:21
David Morefield: I'm like, wow, they're really pushing forward, and they're they don't know the exact ROI of everything that they're doing, but they're not stagnant, they're not sitting around.
57:31
David Morefield: Um but that can lead to burnout as well, that can lead to so much stress of like, how do I cover this these monthly costs?
57:40
David Morefield: And so for you, me, Adam, Dalton, there's so many people who have different lifestyles.
57:48
David Morefield: We're all in the a very similar level of the industry, and our our brain space, our our wake up times, our daily routines couldn't be more different.
58:01
David Morefield: And and I like that there's there's aspects for me to look at for you and say, that's that's pretty cool.
58:08
David Morefield: And then there's the same thing, aspects for you to look at me and say, I wonder what that's like.
58:13
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, jumping back to you know what what I did recently.
58:17
Vipul Bindra: So Chicago, you know, we went on a shoot recently, and we decided to send the van with all the equipment 1200 miles away.
58:24
Vipul Bindra: But what's crazy for me is literally the only thing I flew with was a Burano, but that was just in my carry-on.
58:29
Vipul Bindra: So it was so weird for me to fly with like nothing basically, or one camera.
58:33
Vipul Bindra: And I was like, this is what freedom looks like.
58:35
Vipul Bindra: I wake up on time because you know, they left a whole day before together in time, Mario and Jared.
58:41
Vipul Bindra: And we, you know, just literally me and a man all chill.
58:45
Vipul Bindra: Like, I met his girlfriend too.
58:46
Vipul Bindra: Uh, you know, we we basically came, he came here and we both just you know went to the airport.
58:51
Vipul Bindra: We're chill there.
58:52
Vipul Bindra: We're like, oh he has a backpack, I just have a carry-on.
58:55
Vipul Bindra: I'm like, this is life, you know, for us.
58:57
Vipul Bindra: I don't have to worry about, you know, usually also I'm tired to worry about getting pre-board or early check-in or whatever.
59:02
Vipul Bindra: I'm like, I have no stress.
59:03
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I I'm quite literally like, this couldn't be uh easier, even though we're technically bringing half a million dollars worth of equipment.
59:12
Vipul Bindra: It's just all already on its way, right?
59:14
Vipul Bindra: And and and that was just incredible to me, the freedom uh to be able to tell my client who's also a friend, like, hey, no, I am flying, I am not driving this van, but we can get Mario and Jared to drive it, and that means you have easy access to everything, and it's cheaper to bring the whole van than you know, rent individually items in Chicago.
59:33
Vipul Bindra: Uh, and so he gets an advantage, and uh, we and plus it's all the gear everyone's familiar with, so we're not just getting some unknown quantity or whatever.
59:42
Vipul Bindra: Um, and he's not running around, you know, like a chicken everywhere in Chicago collecting gear, so it was easy for everyone.
59:48
Vipul Bindra: We were just able to fly in, so go to our location, yeah.
59:52
Vipul Bindra: Mario, you had a fun road trip?
59:55
Mario Rangel: Yeah, it was fun.
59:56
Mario Rangel: Yeah, the only thing next time, no well, well, the way there we we got a hotel, uh-huh.
1:00:03
Mario Rangel: But driving there like without rest, yeah, it's uh yeah, it's uh it's a lot.
1:00:09
Mario Rangel: So yeah, it's like 20 hours for me.
1:00:11
Mario Rangel: Yeah, 20 hours with all the stops and everything was 20 yeah, 20 hours.
1:00:17
Mario Rangel: But for me it was really fun because it was my first road trip here in the US.
1:00:21
Mario Rangel: So I had a lot of fun.
1:00:23
Mario Rangel: I'm from Peru.
1:00:24
Mario Rangel: Peru.
1:00:24
Mario Rangel: And how long have you been here?
1:00:27
Mario Rangel: Um I've been here already three years.
1:00:31
Mario Rangel: Three.
1:00:31
Mario Rangel: Yeah, I came here to uh to do my master's in film, and yeah, two two years already.
1:00:37
Mario Rangel: Well, two and a half years already, like working here.
1:00:40
David Morefield: How how old are you?
1:00:41
Mario Rangel: Twenty nine.
1:00:42
David Morefield: Twenty nine.
1:00:42
David Morefield: Yeah, and I I obviously the relationship you have with Vipple is is pretty unique.
1:00:48
David Morefield: Um, I had a a version of that with my buddy Dalton Smith.
1:00:53
David Morefield: He owns a production company in Koke.
1:00:55
Vipul Bindra: He's gonna be here in a few weeks.
1:00:56
Vipul Bindra: Is he?
1:00:57
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
1:00:58
David Morefield: Would would love to hear him brain dump.
1:01:01
David Morefield: Yeah, I'm surprised you got him.
1:01:02
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, because uh hey, uh me too.
1:01:04
Vipul Bindra: He he he wanted to be, so that's awesome.
1:01:06
Vipul Bindra: So no, I'm excited to talk to him because uh, like you said, he brings in his experience, and I feel like it would be really cool for people to listen to.
1:01:14
Vipul Bindra: Um, because you know, he's been able to tap into clients and things too.
1:01:17
David Morefield: But well, and and I can kind of alley oop that episode is um in 2016 or so, 2015.
1:01:24
David Morefield: Um man, it it was a it's not even a professional connection, it was a surfing connection.
1:01:31
David Morefield: We both knew this, had a mutual friend who's a surfer, and I was telling him, like, man, I'm going to Puerto Rico, I love surfing there.
1:01:40
David Morefield: And he he was a skater too, this guy in the middle.
1:01:43
David Morefield: So he would see me at the skate park, and then he see Dalton surfing at the beach, and he goes, Uh, I think you guys might want to connect.
1:01:53
David Morefield: Like, you guys are both doing video, skateboarding, surfing, and this is like back when I had like one DSLR, you know, one crappy tripod, like didn't have anything.
1:02:05
David Morefield: Yeah, and um, that connection started a uh working relationship from then until now where Dalton got to grow and I got to kind of be his right hand man, and the benefits of that were I definitely wasn't qualified to be in the positions that he was able to achieve a needed crew for.
1:02:29
David Morefield: And I would say even in a certain sense, he wasn't qualified.
1:02:33
David Morefield: Yeah, but because he was so aggressive to we can figure out how to make this work, right?
1:02:39
David Morefield: We can we can figure out how this industry works, how these clients works.
1:02:44
David Morefield: He was able to get massive, massive clients like like uh I mean the the World Surf League asked him to do a qualifying series in Barbados twice.
1:02:56
David Morefield: So he hired me and and we were getting extremely low day rates.
1:03:02
David Morefield: I don't I can't even get that position now.
1:03:05
David Morefield: Yeah, I would love that that cheap day rate.
1:03:09
David Morefield: Yeah, we had a week in Barbados, me, him, Tristan, uh like the squad of people, and we're like, hey, the the the swell isn't working today, so we got a late day.
1:03:18
David Morefield: We're just hanging out in Barbados.
1:03:20
David Morefield: That's cool though.
1:03:22
David Morefield: Yeah, you get paid to go to Barbados.
1:03:23
David Morefield: He's worked for massive airline contracts, he's worked for governments, he's worked for like like boards of tourism in in different countries.
1:03:33
David Morefield: Um there's so many massive clients that he's worked for because he was able to just like kind of figure it out and use his business brain, even though he's this blonde hair, blue eye, surfer bro.
1:03:47
David Morefield: Um, but he's he's a good yeah, uh he's a good people person where his stoke comes off to other people and they go, Oh, you're invested.
1:03:57
Vipul Bindra: Funny enough, that he was he was coming here for to pick up some equipment or whatever, and Julie asked, Who is this guy?
1:04:03
Vipul Bindra: I was like, just look for a surfer bro.
1:04:04
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
1:04:05
David Morefield: So so I was able to to kind of grow with him and learn all these things and work at at these the the day rates were small, but the opportunities were huge.
1:04:19
Vipul Bindra: And that's that shows to his tenacity too, right?
1:04:22
Vipul Bindra: Uh, and and that's uh hopefully my idea with this podcast is just again entertainment, but hopefully it can help people listen from these industry pros or or people in the industry to kind of find their own path.
1:04:33
Vipul Bindra: But that is the the whole point.
1:04:35
Vipul Bindra: You don't have to know everything, you can just go do it and figure it out.
1:04:39
Vipul Bindra: And if you can't figure it out, just hire the pro.
1:04:42
Vipul Bindra: Who knows how to do that?
1:04:43
Vipul Bindra: I I I'm all about like it's all about getting the opportunity because the thing is the the main thing about this industry is who you know, right?
1:04:53
Vipul Bindra: Your projects are because you knew those were because you knew Dalton, and now you're there because you know you're retired.
1:04:59
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, or someone's like, I didn't even know him, and it wasn't even a professional contact, but they introduced you, right?
1:05:04
Vipul Bindra: It's the connection who you know got you to him.
1:05:07
Vipul Bindra: Then from there on, you knew him, and there's it can apply to any number of projects, or it's your YouTube plugging you in.
1:05:14
Vipul Bindra: Point is they have to know you exist, and they have to know you, whether directly or indirectly.
1:05:20
Vipul Bindra: And to me, networking and building your network is the most important thing, no matter whether you're gonna be a freelancer, a production company, or whoever, because if people don't know you, it doesn't matter how talented you are.
1:05:31
David Morefield: Yeah, and but the the the the level beyond that is people go, Okay, I need to I need to know people.
1:05:36
David Morefield: How do I know people?
1:05:37
David Morefield: The only reason that guy in the middle knew me and knew Dalton is because we were both creating things.
1:05:42
David Morefield: I was doing stuff in skateboarding, filming my friend's skateboard, filming the skateboard contest, and I that's how I was um making myself make making other people be aware of myself.
1:05:54
David Morefield: Dalton was doing the same thing self funded surf projects, uh films.
1:05:59
David Morefield: Like very, very um projects that are in his realm.
1:06:05
David Morefield: That's what he knows.
1:06:06
David Morefield: So that's what he's gonna create.
1:06:07
David Morefield: And if I had just been sitting there being like, I need a network, I need a network.
1:06:12
David Morefield: How how do you network?
1:06:14
David Morefield: You have to be creating something that's gonna cr uh get attention from other people because those people can sometimes connect your dots.
1:06:22
David Morefield: Because even if I was creating those skateboard videos, I still don't know Dalton.
1:06:27
David Morefield: Yeah, I still don't know it.
1:06:29
David Morefield: So the other people can help.
1:06:31
David Morefield: So when when a lot of people are like, oh, I you know, how do I network?
1:06:35
David Morefield: Like I I get so nervous about like staring people in the eye, and I don't want to push a business card.
1:06:41
David Morefield: That's that's not networking.
1:06:43
David Morefield: Networking is is giving other people a reason to share your name.
1:06:49
David Morefield: How do you do that?
1:06:50
David Morefield: You create your own things that you enjoy.
1:06:52
David Morefield: Yeah.
1:06:53
Vipul Bindra: And and to be real, uh again, to give you credit, it's it's not easy.
1:06:56
Vipul Bindra: Like we were talking about before we started.
1:06:58
Vipul Bindra: So um, you know, Mario's been able to help me on a decent number of projects this year.
1:07:02
Vipul Bindra: So I've been like, I initially I was like, hey Mario, uh, you gotta help me um, you know, film some BTS or uh let's get some vlog, but you know, we get hectic and so that he couldn't do it, I I wasn't able to do it, right?
1:07:13
Vipul Bindra: Which is why I was asking for assistance.
1:07:15
Vipul Bindra: And when we would get done, it'd be funny to ask him, I was like, hey, did you get anything?
1:07:18
Vipul Bindra: He'd be like, no.
1:07:19
Vipul Bindra: And it wasn't because he wasn't trying, because you know, when you're working in a fast-paced environment, so I give you uh huge credits for being able to do it because having worked with you myself, it's it's seamless.
1:07:29
Vipul Bindra: I, you know, you the way you do it, uh, but anyway, we tried.
1:07:33
Vipul Bindra: So the only way we were able to get some YouTube videos done is like literally, I was in my office, Josh LeClaire.
1:07:38
Vipul Bindra: He was on last season, he had to come get his data from me.
1:07:41
Vipul Bindra: And he's like, Hey, I gotta come copy this data or whatever, but I'm free.
1:07:45
Vipul Bindra: Let me because I was telling about the YouTube thing that I've been trying, haven't been able to put together.
1:07:49
Vipul Bindra: He's like, No, I'm coming, and we're gonna make YouTube videos.
1:07:52
Vipul Bindra: And so it needed that, another creator to go, no, and and then we shot the video about the studio and the the cart and the the sound kit or whatever, and Mario edited them, and that's how I was able to get it done.
1:08:04
Vipul Bindra: And I was like, it took me at least two other people to get it done, these simple YouTube videos, nothing crazy.
1:08:10
Vipul Bindra: I'm not talking something fancy.
1:08:12
Vipul Bindra: So hats off to you.
1:08:13
Vipul Bindra: I like the way you do it, shooting from your phone, editing from your phone, being able to just post them by yourself.
1:08:19
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh, it is a massive effort, uh, but you make it look seamless.
1:08:24
David Morefield: Thanks.
1:08:25
David Morefield: I I feel like I've gotten some workflow improvements as it as I've gone through it.
1:08:29
David Morefield: And um, I just enjoy being able to talk to uh an ether of like-minded or non-like-minded individuals.
1:08:39
David Morefield: Either way, it's it's good bounce board.
1:08:42
David Morefield: And uh yeah, using my phone super easy.
1:08:44
David Morefield: The the the little Holly Lics clip them on, like like for the third part, the final part of that series of of that nightmare client who just had red flags everywhere.
1:08:54
David Morefield: Adam and I were talking in the Salt Lake City airport at a layover.
1:08:58
David Morefield: We had three hours, and he was like, Yeah, man, that that client you were talking about, like I I would have handled it this way.
1:09:05
David Morefield: And I'm like, Well, you know, I don't know, based on the information.
1:09:08
David Morefield: Actually, put a mic on.
1:09:09
David Morefield: Yeah, and then I put my phone, yeah, like leaned it against my backpack, and I said, Like, do you mind just continuing the conversation?
1:09:18
David Morefield: He's like, No, I don't mind.
1:09:19
David Morefield: So that was just a YouTube video.
1:09:21
David Morefield: I pressed start, and then at the end of 20 minutes, I pressed stop, and then I uploaded it to YouTube.
1:09:26
David Morefield: And I was like, that was a way more valuable convers conversation than me trying to devise some vlog.
1:09:33
Vipul Bindra: See, that's for good for me to learn because all I was trying to get the last three days uh was Adam just not working.
1:09:39
Vipul Bindra: I was like, this vlog is gonna be funny because it's gonna be clips of Adam not working for three days.
1:09:44
Vipul Bindra: I'm like, look, this is how hard we work.
1:09:46
Vipul Bindra: Because every time he'd get uh get on his phone, because you know, it's it was easy, we're just babysitting the cameras.
1:09:52
Vipul Bindra: Um so no, I don't want to discount it.
1:09:54
Vipul Bindra: Obviously, we did set them up, it required experience.
1:09:57
Vipul Bindra: But you know, once they're set up, you just have to hit record, make sure it's in focus.
1:10:00
Vipul Bindra: So, but anyway, every time he'd get on his phone, a phone, I would pull out the phone.
1:10:04
Vipul Bindra: I was like on that tensile.
1:10:05
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I was like, and then I was like, the entire vlog is just gonna be look three days, he just was on his phone and charged the cloud massive.
1:10:13
Vipul Bindra: But anyway, but yeah, I was like, but but to be real, that's there's no value in it, that's just entertainment.
1:10:18
Vipul Bindra: I do like that what you were able to do though with him over what I did is like, hey, let me put a mic.
1:10:24
Vipul Bindra: Let this is a this is a really good conversation.
1:10:26
Vipul Bindra: Other people need to hear it, right?
1:10:29
David Morefield: Yeah, at least resistance, phone.
1:10:32
David Morefield: Um, you know, I have I have people who reach out to me saying, Hey, I'd love to edit your vlogs, like you know, uh like a working relationship.
1:10:39
David Morefield: You pay me edit your vlogs, I'll offload all of that.
1:10:42
David Morefield: And I'm like, no, that's that's work oversight that I need to have now.
1:10:48
David Morefield: I don't want to do that.
1:10:49
David Morefield: I do not want to go through drafts and and approve v2.
1:10:56
David Morefield: Like I'm not doing that.
1:10:58
David Morefield: You just want to get it done.
1:10:59
David Morefield: I can just go click click clip on Cap Cut and export, upload a YouTube and try to find a thumbnail somewhere in there.
1:11:07
David Morefield: Yeah, yeah.
1:11:08
Vipul Bindra: That no, that's that like I said, what you're doing is is uh really inspirational.
1:11:11
Vipul Bindra: I'll get there.
1:11:12
Vipul Bindra: Obviously, I'm trying to.
1:11:13
Vipul Bindra: My goal isn't to do, you know, the the thing is uh for years I've been doing this and and never shared any content because I didn't see the value in it.
1:11:21
Vipul Bindra: But having talked to you, you know, now for years, I do see the value in it.
1:11:26
Vipul Bindra: And you're absolutely right in doing it.
1:11:28
Vipul Bindra: And it's not direct value, it's not like I'm going, oh, I'll share this and a brand's gonna look at this video about some equipment or some set I'm sharing and gonna be like, oh, you're the guy.
1:11:38
Vipul Bindra: I mean, it could happen, but that's not the goal or what I see happening.
1:11:41
Vipul Bindra: But I think even uh just sharing what you're doing, helping other people see the problems you're solving.
1:11:47
Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
1:11:48
Vipul Bindra: I I feel like um it's something everyone needs to be doing.
1:11:51
Vipul Bindra: You need to be creating your own content because, like you said, it may not lead directly to a client, it could lead indirectly to something because somebody could be watching be like, hey, let's collaborate or let's meet or whatever.
1:12:02
Vipul Bindra: Who knows that it could reach one other person that doesn't know what I'm doing out here, right?
1:12:07
David Morefield: Yeah, and and it's it's an opportunity creator, and that's not how I I look at it, but that is an effect of it.
1:12:14
David Morefield: Like I I had an open afternoon last whatever a couple weeks ago, and um I was like, I'm gonna go, I can be on my phone for the next like it's it's 5 p.m.
1:12:28
David Morefield: right now.
1:12:28
David Morefield: Yeah, I could be on my phone until I go to sleep in my living room.
1:12:31
David Morefield: I'm like, uh like is there anything I could I I think I would enjoy if I actually put a little effort in?
1:12:37
David Morefield: Like, I have an open evening.
1:12:39
David Morefield: So I just put on my story.
1:12:41
David Morefield: Uh hey, I'm going to uh lazy moon, gonna grab a big slice of pizza this big.
1:12:48
David Morefield: If anybody wants to come by and talk shop, nerd out, like I'll be there on my phone.
1:12:53
David Morefield: I actually I tried.
1:12:54
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, no, that's pretty cool.
1:12:56
Vipul Bindra: I wish I had seen it, I would have so come because you know, I'm I'm not funny enough for being a techie guy.
1:13:01
Vipul Bindra: I'm not on my phone that much.
1:13:02
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, by the time I saw it, you were with uh Josh, right?
1:13:04
Vipul Bindra: Josh showed up, yeah.
1:13:05
David Morefield: So I I was like, you know, it's I can't organize a filmmaker meetup, but that is the purpose of those.
1:13:11
David Morefield: It's to get people together and talk and have fun.
1:13:14
David Morefield: And I'm like, well, I want to do it right now in 20 minutes.
1:13:17
David Morefield: So let me just put out that that call onto my Instagram.
1:13:20
David Morefield: And so I got there, and Josh immediately was like, Hey, I have the evening open.
1:13:25
David Morefield: I would love to come by.
1:13:27
David Morefield: And I'll be here.
1:13:28
David Morefield: Yeah, we scroll on Instagram until you get here.
1:13:31
David Morefield: Yeah, so he came by and he got a pizza, I got a pizza, and we were just talking and hanging out.
1:13:37
David Morefield: Um, I think it might have been a little too impromptu for other people to kind of work it into their evening.
1:13:42
David Morefield: So it's just me and him, or people just not seeing it at that time, or people not seeing it, and uh he was like, Oh, I just dropped off a bunch of gear at Fipple's house.
1:13:50
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, this was like he was here that morning.
1:13:52
David Morefield: I was like, Oh, yeah, so but he kind of was like, I have the afternoon open as well.
1:13:57
David Morefield: Like he could he could easily fill up that time.
1:14:02
Vipul Bindra: I think it's literally the day before we shot the YouTube videos the next morning.
1:14:06
Vipul Bindra: That's yeah, yeah, you guys meant.
1:14:08
David Morefield: And uh, and I was like, Yeah, like let's just hang out and talk.
1:14:11
David Morefield: Like, you're in a town 30 minutes this way, like I don't know you that well.
1:14:18
David Morefield: Let's just hang out.
1:14:20
David Morefield: Like, we're there's there's I'm not trying to get anything out of you.
1:14:22
David Morefield: You're not trying to get anything out of me, we're just connecting, and so that that is kind of nice in between the filmmaker meetup, so I can just be like, anybody else want to chat?
1:14:30
David Morefield: Yeah, and if it was nice, if it was no one, if no one came, okay, no one came, whatever.
1:14:35
Vipul Bindra: And I'm so glad you guys were able to connect and like you said, learn more about each other because I worked with you, I worked with them.
1:14:40
Vipul Bindra: It's good to know, and uh uh that you guys were now able to meet and connect.
1:14:43
David Morefield: We really we didn't even talk about filmmaking.
1:14:45
David Morefield: We were talking about buying houses and and the market and yeah, you know, saving money versus spending it, and it was just a really, really interesting conversation that I would not have had.
1:14:57
David Morefield: I would have just been on my phone.
1:14:58
David Morefield: Um, but he knows me because of the vlog, he's been to some of my meetups.
1:15:04
David Morefield: So, you know, I I I want to do more more and more meetups.
1:15:08
David Morefield: They're they're very fun.
1:15:09
David Morefield: Sometimes they're a little bit of a you know, a strain to put together and getting the right.
1:15:14
David Morefield: Exactly.
1:15:15
Vipul Bindra: I would love for another one to be there, but I get it how much time it takes of yours.
1:15:18
Vipul Bindra: But no, uh funny enough, how I met Josh was through your your meetup.
1:15:22
Vipul Bindra: No, no, not through your meetup.
1:15:24
Vipul Bindra: I met Josh through your uh your group.
1:15:26
Vipul Bindra: So I was looking for a drone photographer, and I was like, hey, I uh, you know, again, I limit myself to only doing video, even though I'm part one of seven.
1:15:34
Vipul Bindra: Like, I I want to do video.
1:15:35
Vipul Bindra: Point is the client wanted photos, which is fine.
1:15:37
Vipul Bindra: I don't want to do them.
1:15:38
Vipul Bindra: So I'm like, hey, who who wants to do drone photos?
1:15:41
Vipul Bindra: And Josh popped up, so I hired him.
1:15:42
Vipul Bindra: And it was funny, I didn't meet him until a meetup later in person, and and uh and I was like, Oh, he's like, You've hired me.
1:15:49
Vipul Bindra: I was like, Oh, you're trying.
1:15:50
Vipul Bindra: So it was funny that you know, have already so I basically hired him.
1:15:53
Vipul Bindra: He went and did the job, sent me the deliverables, I paid him without us ever actually meeting, right?
1:15:59
Vipul Bindra: So even though we're in the same, same certain, you know, Orlando larger Orlando area.
1:16:04
Vipul Bindra: Point is um, so when I met him at the next meetup, I was like, I, you know, I'm Josh.
1:16:09
Vipul Bindra: I was like, Oh yeah, I remember hiring you, did great work.
1:16:12
Vipul Bindra: And then uh, you know, so so we essentially connected through your group, met through a meetup, and then we were able to uh no, he able to was uh able to hire me on a job.
1:16:21
Vipul Bindra: So he was like he needed something where he wanted to bring out the cart and you know uh the fancy stuff.
1:16:26
Vipul Bindra: Uh so and I was like happy, yeah, absolutely, happy to jump in.
1:16:29
Vipul Bindra: And it was literally one of those ones that I do all the time.
1:16:32
Vipul Bindra: So it's very easy plug and play for me too.
1:16:34
Vipul Bindra: Uh so again, then he was able to hire me, right?
1:16:36
Vipul Bindra: So it's like it yes, it goes everywhere.
1:16:39
David Morefield: It can it help it can circle back, it can spider web out.
1:16:43
David Morefield: It makes me super happy uh to to know that I have every place that I've done a filmmaker meetup, Atlanta, Dallas, San Francisco, and then a bunch here um that we create an Instagram chat once I leave.
1:17:01
David Morefield: Everybody who was attending gets into this chat and it preserves that connection after I leave.
1:17:07
David Morefield: And I find a point man in Dallas, it's uh Jared Phillips in San Francisco, it's Tommy Beal.
1:17:13
David Morefield: And then I I stay in these chats, but I kind of like let them run it.
1:17:18
David Morefield: This is your thing because you already put in work with your vlog channel, and and people kind of know who you are, and then it just spreads like wildfire over there.
1:17:28
David Morefield: And I see so many jobs being passed around.
1:17:30
David Morefield: Does anybody know a studio?
1:17:32
David Morefield: Yeah, my buddy has a studio.
1:17:34
David Morefield: Does anybody have uh part 107 certified pilot?
1:17:37
David Morefield: Does anybody have what's your thoughts on DD versus Rode?
1:17:41
David Morefield: Like there's so much value being passed around.
1:17:44
David Morefield: Yeah, and it was because I did a small action before that that allowed all these opportunities to to create themselves.
1:17:54
David Morefield: Now it's not even it's not even me being directly intertwined.
1:17:58
Vipul Bindra: And funny enough, it helps me too.
1:18:00
Vipul Bindra: Because again, not that I'm doing something great, but to out to an outsider, it looks like, oh, he's got he's doing so great.
1:18:05
Vipul Bindra: I want to meet him.
1:18:06
Vipul Bindra: And a lot of times I'm just like able to deflect him like, hey, here's the guy you need to follow.
1:18:10
Vipul Bindra: Like they'll be like, I need to meet him.
1:18:11
Vipul Bindra: I'm like, no, no, no.
1:18:12
Vipul Bindra: The guy you want to follow is David Morfield, and look out for his post about a meetup.
1:18:16
Vipul Bindra: That's where you want to come.
1:18:18
Vipul Bindra: So I've been able to do that and help a lot, and not to like deflect them, but I'm just saying that is the place.
1:18:22
Vipul Bindra: I'm like, if you meet me, that's one.
1:18:24
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, right.
1:18:25
Vipul Bindra: But if you meet a group of people, that's 40, 50 opportunities.
1:18:28
Vipul Bindra: That's what I told again, Mario the last meetup was like, hey, you gotta come and you never know uh, you know, who you're gonna meet, and other freelancers, like, yes, I like working with you, but you know, you can get a lot more opportunities, I'm saying, being around so many other people.
1:18:42
Vipul Bindra: And and funny enough, that it did happen.
1:18:44
Vipul Bindra: So recently, uh uh Natalia, a friend of mine, she came over and she was like, uh, funny enough, she came up, she was like, I was working for Adam, and then Adam texting me other Natalia.
1:18:53
Vipul Bindra: So they were able to meet, and then Adam was able to bring her on as an assistant.
1:18:57
Vipul Bindra: So that connection wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for uh the networking event that we went to, right?
1:19:02
Vipul Bindra: And and or just this meetups in general.
1:19:05
Vipul Bindra: Uh uh, so so it's like you never know where the connections are happening and who's hiring who I use it as a deflection as well, just because the the ability to meet me versus the ability to meet the group, it's not even comparable.
1:19:19
David Morefield: Meet the group, exactly.
1:19:20
David Morefield: So much more opportunity.
1:19:21
David Morefield: So much more opportunity than what I can provide.
1:19:23
David Morefield: I can't provide a lot, so but I can provide you a network.
1:19:26
David Morefield: Yeah.
1:19:27
David Morefield: So, you know, you use it that way, I use it that way.
1:19:30
David Morefield: Then the the meetups are are fun.
1:19:33
David Morefield: They're a little bit of a of a you know an effort to put together.
1:19:38
David Morefield: I I I have one that I'm gonna plan in in New York, maybe I guess it, I guess August.
1:19:43
David Morefield: It's coming up really soon.
1:19:45
David Morefield: Um, so John Waldman will be the guy for that one because he's already put in the effort.
1:19:49
David Morefield: Um, I want to do San Diego.
1:19:51
David Morefield: Actually, I might I'm going to San Diego with Adam.
1:19:54
David Morefield: I could plan it around that.
1:19:55
David Morefield: Um Albert Mendoza, Alberto Mendoza will be the um the guy there because he's the one vlogging and putting himself out there.
1:20:02
David Morefield: So it's like I want to align with people who are who are trying to make their own way, not the people who are like, hey, can you give me all of your resources?
1:20:14
David Morefield: No, let me team up with someone who's also trying to run and then because I know they'll take it further.
1:20:20
David Morefield: They'll they'll do what Tommy Beal did, they'll do what uh Jared Phelps did, and they'll just push, push, push.
1:20:25
David Morefield: Because you can get that, and then you can let it die because you're not trying to water that situation.
1:20:33
David Morefield: So yeah, there there's there's a a lot of a lot more meetups that I want to do, and and it kind of brings me into the the issue of like how do I do I want to make this a bigger thing?
1:20:47
David Morefield: Do I want to put more structure into it?
1:20:49
David Morefield: Because there is obviously so much value.
1:20:52
David Morefield: Do I I had ideas of being like maybe I'll do a five city tour in 2025?
1:20:58
David Morefield: We're already halfway through.
1:21:00
David Morefield: Yeah.
1:21:00
David Morefield: I don't know if that's happening.
1:21:01
Vipul Bindra: I mean, you could do it.
1:21:02
David Morefield: I could do it, but but yeah, do I want to have uh the the most common question I get is hey, how how do I find out when the next meetup is?
1:21:11
David Morefield: I want to join.
1:21:12
David Morefield: What city is it in?
1:21:12
David Morefield: And so well, a newsletter would be great for that.
1:21:15
David Morefield: It takes a little bit of work to do, not too much.
1:21:18
David Morefield: Um, and then I would need to line up with venues and and do I want to have some type of community discussion outside of the Instagram chats?
1:21:27
David Morefield: Because those are free, those are good, but they're very specific to that city right there.
1:21:32
David Morefield: So, how much structure do I want to give this thing?
1:21:36
David Morefield: How much time do I want to invest?
1:21:38
David Morefield: I I feel like if I invested this much time, I would get this much out of it.
1:21:43
David Morefield: But where where is that?
1:21:47
David Morefield: What what is it?
1:21:49
David Morefield: Is it a forum?
1:21:50
David Morefield: Is it it's gotta be something that people are on, yeah.
1:21:53
David Morefield: You know, uh where they get that that information because same thing, they need to know where it's happening when it's yeah, because right now I just say, hey, watch the vlog and eventually I'll say something about it.
1:22:03
David Morefield: It'd be much easier if I say, Oh, sign up for the newsletter.
1:22:06
David Morefield: It's it's once a month, and it's only information about the next meetup or like something very specific that maybe this is a this is an excerpt of the of the vlog I put out this month.
1:22:21
David Morefield: Yeah, and then you know, just just I hate getting emails.
1:22:26
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I me too.
1:22:26
Vipul Bindra: But at the same time, I think there's value in it.
1:22:28
Vipul Bindra: Value, yeah.
1:22:29
Vipul Bindra: Like, have you heard of Syndicate list?
1:22:30
Vipul Bindra: Yes, yeah.
1:22:31
Vipul Bindra: So I love getting their email because it's usually something good.
1:22:34
Vipul Bindra: It's it's very cut and dry.
1:22:36
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's like that's what I like.
1:22:38
Vipul Bindra: I don't want, you know, a bunch of BS about, yeah, like uh like to be honest, production hub, unsubscribe to that newsletter very fast.
1:22:47
Vipul Bindra: Uh all the stuff there was, I was like, I don't want to know any of this.
1:22:50
Vipul Bindra: I'm not sure, I'm sure it's relevant to someone, but I was just like, I don't want this.
1:22:53
Vipul Bindra: I I find that when they just send you a lead or whatever, that's good, but I don't want their newsletter.
1:22:57
Vipul Bindra: But at the same time, Snykitless.
1:22:59
Vipul Bindra: I love that newsletter because I'm like, every time they're sending me, it's funny enough.
1:23:02
Vipul Bindra: Somehow they know I'm like, oh, I need that.
1:23:04
Vipul Bindra: Like, let me jump on that.
1:23:06
Vipul Bindra: Or even it's like not, then I'm like, oh, I wish I had jumped on that, you know, yeah, six months ago or whatever.
1:23:11
Vipul Bindra: So uh either way, I love getting that email.
1:23:13
Vipul Bindra: Same thing.
1:23:14
Vipul Bindra: If you had a newsletter like that, that's just about meetups or something relevant, yeah, just something by it.
1:23:18
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
1:23:19
Vipul Bindra: And I I wouldn't mind it because, like you said, nobody wants email, but if the email is relevant, who minds it?
1:23:26
David Morefield: Yeah, I mean, yeah, and it'd be voluntary sign-ups.
1:23:28
Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
1:23:28
Vipul Bindra: So you can just um subscribe if it's not relevant to you anymore.
1:23:32
David Morefield: Yeah, um, and and I don't think that's a lot of effort.
1:23:34
David Morefield: I've asked a f a few people of like, hey, how do I do uh how do I do a email or list?
1:23:40
David Morefield: And there's a I've I've been signing up for a bunch of YouTubers newsletters because I'm like, what do you put in there?
1:23:46
David Morefield: Like, is it fluff?
1:23:48
David Morefield: Is it is it bite-size?
1:23:50
David Morefield: Like I I subscribe to Luke Forse newsletter.
1:23:52
David Morefield: He kind of gives more of like an expansive thought, a lot of text.
1:23:56
David Morefield: Yeah, um, there's another guy, Gary Scafe or something, um, British guy, and and he's offering kind of like I'm gonna talk about this, and it's a lead into the video that you can go check out.
1:24:10
David Morefield: Also, you can pick up my course, and I just did a a guide about this camera and stuff like that.
1:24:16
David Morefield: And and that's very interesting for me to see as well.
1:24:19
David Morefield: Like, are you able to make money off this?
1:24:22
David Morefield: Like, if you actually are providing value, then to me, that's not cringy to have a course or something.
1:24:29
David Morefield: I have subscribed to courses like the Art of Documentary, and I've got a ton of value out of it.
1:24:36
David Morefield: Yeah, so I wouldn't be like, Oh, they just offer a course.
1:24:39
David Morefield: It's like, well, I got way more out of it than what I paid.
1:24:42
David Morefield: So I got the better deal, actually.
1:24:44
David Morefield: But some other people have courses that are just a couple of PDFs, and you're like, What did I pay for?
1:24:51
Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
1:24:52
Vipul Bindra: I think it depends, you know.
1:24:53
Vipul Bindra: Kind of like, uh, for example, I'll tell you, like, I hate when every YouTuber has their LED pack and they're gonna push you their LED packs, and they're just the tra trash.
1:25:01
Vipul Bindra: I mean, you could do a way better job on resolve in 10 minutes of learning.
1:25:05
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but then at the same time, there's value.
1:25:07
Vipul Bindra: Like, I personally have bought uh those phantom LUTs.
1:25:10
Vipul Bindra: I forget the name of the guy.
1:25:11
Vipul Bindra: Can you find out uh Joe Joel, yeah.
1:25:14
David Morefield: Famaro.
1:25:15
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, can you find out his page?
1:25:16
Vipul Bindra: But the guy who makes the the Phantom LUTs, and the reason is as soon as I switched to Sony, uh, I've quickly realized oh, FX6 and FX3 don't look the same.
1:25:25
Vipul Bindra: Uh, you know, some there's some differences.
1:25:29
Mario Rangel: But his can you show us Joe Famularo?
1:25:32
Vipul Bindra: Okay, but Phantom Luts.
1:25:33
Vipul Bindra: Personally, I have bought them, so thank you, Mario.
1:25:36
Vipul Bindra: Uh the reason being is uh being able to put his conversion light on my cameras made sure the image that I was sending to the production monitor, they they match very closely, and it solves the problem on set.
1:25:48
Vipul Bindra: Because I don't want a client to go, hey, why are they because even though in post, you know, we could tweak it or whatever, but using his conversion LETs on the cameras to see the image is beneficial to me.
1:25:58
Vipul Bindra: So those LETs were worth it.
1:26:00
Vipul Bindra: So kind of like that.
1:26:01
Vipul Bindra: Not everything in the same category is good or bad, it's just you have to find the good stuff.
1:26:05
Vipul Bindra: Same thing with courses.
1:26:07
Vipul Bindra: Like, I I hate courses from people who don't do this for a living.
1:26:10
Vipul Bindra: You know, they're like, I'll show you how to make 20 grand a month, guaranteed, or whatever.
1:26:13
Vipul Bindra: And then they're like, they don't run a video company, they don't know any of this, they're just selling you a course because that is their business.
1:26:19
Vipul Bindra: That's different than somebody's like, hey, I do this for a living.
1:26:22
Vipul Bindra: Here's something condensed I learn that gives you value, and I'm gonna continue working in the industry.
1:26:27
Vipul Bindra: I'm not gonna now become a full-time course salesman.
1:26:30
Vipul Bindra: To me, that is huge value where I'd be like, Oh yeah, let me, I'm I'm intrigued, let me see if I find value.
1:26:35
David Morefield: Yeah, I I I love to learn about those things because if there is a value exchange, if my money gave me this value, everybody's happy.
1:26:47
David Morefield: Yeah, it's just when it's lopsided that people are like, I paid a lot and I didn't I didn't get much back.
1:26:53
David Morefield: And now now I think of you as someone who's just trying to take money from your audience, and then you you kind of ruin the whole thing.
1:27:01
David Morefield: Yeah, so like for Joel who's doing the Phantom LUTs, which by the way, I love that monitor.
1:27:05
David Morefield: Um, that's so nice to have that camera feeds and then computer.
1:27:09
David Morefield: Um like I don't think anybody's being like, oh, he's just trying to sit uh get money with his LUT.
1:27:17
David Morefield: It's like, have you tried them?
1:27:18
David Morefield: They're great, yeah, they work very well for the purpose that you need.
1:27:22
David Morefield: So that's a that's a very equal value exchange.
1:27:25
David Morefield: Like, yeah, I'm not mad at that.
1:27:28
Vipul Bindra: Funny how we'll even buy them one time.
1:27:29
Vipul Bindra: So we used the Burano on this recent job, and obviously I didn't have them.
1:27:33
Vipul Bindra: And again, just like his, he had one for uh the Burano.
1:27:36
Vipul Bindra: So immediately I told the director, I was like, you gotta buy it.
1:27:39
Vipul Bindra: It's a production expense.
1:27:40
Vipul Bindra: So we bought one immediately.
1:27:41
Vipul Bindra: So it was like, you know, good for him to make extra $50 or whatever the LUTs are.
1:27:45
Vipul Bindra: But you know, for me, it was immediate.
1:27:47
Vipul Bindra: I was like, hey, we're using FX6 and FX2, they already have the Phantom LUT.
1:27:50
Vipul Bindra: We want it to match.
1:27:51
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, especially when you're looking at the monitor, it's an instant buy.
1:27:54
Vipul Bindra: Uh so there's the you know, I don't know, like you said, I I could justify that value in an instant.
1:28:00
David Morefield: Uh versus a lot of LUTs and stuff I've seen online where I'm like, Yeah, and and yeah, so I want I I think there's a value that I can provide in in network in community.
1:28:11
David Morefield: I don't know exactly what that is.
1:28:13
David Morefield: It and I have to I have to filter it through what would I be on?
1:28:16
David Morefield: Am I gonna go onto another website?
1:28:18
David Morefield: I don't I don't think I will.
1:28:20
David Morefield: Like I'm on the Art of Documentaries Facebook page, and you know, Facebook is for me is primarily used for groups.
1:28:27
David Morefield: So I could maybe do I see I see that platform.
1:28:31
David Morefield: Is it another one?
1:28:33
David Morefield: You know, Jared in Dallas has mentioned quite a few times in uh he was thinking about Discord.
1:28:39
David Morefield: That's just not in my world.
1:28:41
David Morefield: So if I'm not gonna use the platform, how can I expect other people to use it?
1:28:45
Vipul Bindra: I mean, Discord has its uses to be real, and maybe where you offload from Instagram one point, because you know I think they have a limit in how many people you can add.
1:28:53
Vipul Bindra: But my whole thing is here, Tommy Bulligan put it the last video that I watched of his put it correctly.
1:28:59
Vipul Bindra: Like he broke it down how much he gained from YouTube versus how much, and majority of his income came from the two, three or what however many networking events either he attended or posted.
1:29:08
Vipul Bindra: And that's just the truth.
1:29:09
Vipul Bindra: Uh, the value is in networking events, and the reason is not that the net networking events are special, it's just it's a limited crowd, right?
1:29:17
Vipul Bindra: It's a limited crowd, so there's high opportunity to talk to enough people uh where you guys can actually connect and get to know each other.
1:29:25
Vipul Bindra: Not saying you couldn't do that on the internet or Discord or chat, but it's filters out.
1:29:29
Vipul Bindra: It's it's it's limiting because you know, if I have hundred people, like if I like sometimes I've had where I'm like, I need this, and I'm like 50 messages in my inbox, and then people hate me for it because I'm like, it's gone, guys.
1:29:40
Vipul Bindra: You're too fast.
1:29:41
Vipul Bindra: So it's like, you know, I didn't not everyone got that opportunity.
1:29:44
Vipul Bindra: The only one who won is usually who's able to respond the fastest.
1:29:47
Vipul Bindra: Whereas in a networking event, now I get to know these people.
1:29:50
Vipul Bindra: I'm like, oh, that's who you're about, or this is what you do, this is what you like.
1:29:54
Vipul Bindra: Now I can filter the the uh the offer to the right person.
1:29:57
Vipul Bindra: I'm like, hey, you do this better, let me send that to you if that makes sense.
1:30:02
David Morefield: When I when I did the meetup in San Francisco with Tommy, um he asked me, Hey, I have a guy who's working in the industry.
1:30:10
David Morefield: I let him know about your meetup, and he says, What does the the $15 admission fee get me?
1:30:16
David Morefield: And I was like, Well, it's it's a bar, so like you have to order your own drinks and your own stuff, and all and I was like, Yeah, what does it get you?
1:30:25
David Morefield: Um, and then it was that.
1:30:27
David Morefield: I was like, Oh, it's the exclusivity because that I think there would be a lot of people who would attend if they were just saying, Oh, I get to meet the um David, I see him on YouTube.
1:30:38
David Morefield: Yeah, let's come over and say hi.
1:30:40
David Morefield: Oh, 15 bucks.
1:30:41
David Morefield: Yeah, I don't, he's not worth that.
1:30:43
David Morefield: And I'm like, okay, Taylor Swift.
1:30:45
David Morefield: Yeah.
1:30:46
David Morefield: So I told him, I was like, I'm I'm trying to filter out the people who are just coming off of YouTube and instead putting a little bit of a paywall to show the people who are like, I would like to meet other people, and that is worth 15 bucks for me.
1:31:02
David Morefield: And honestly, a lot of times uh there it like there is a ticket price, it's usually for food or the venue or something.
1:31:11
David Morefield: When I do it in Orlando, I haven't charged just because it's been the home base experiment lab.
1:31:15
David Morefield: Let me figure out how this works.
1:31:17
Vipul Bindra: So far, we haven't had that many people who just came, you know, right to be but yeah, you're right.
1:31:21
David Morefield: I do see the point of the body.
1:31:22
David Morefield: Just like uh David here, you know, if I'm going somewhere else, they're like, oh, he's in this town for one you know, one event.
1:31:29
David Morefield: Um, so over there, it was great.
1:31:32
David Morefield: There was a bunch of people who were like, I I would like to spend 15 bucks to to be with other people who think it might be worth to connect with.
1:31:40
Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
1:31:41
David Morefield: And and I just need to, or I I'm willing to explore that and be like, okay, so how do I take that out of the physical experience and connect so many more people digitally?
1:31:54
David Morefield: I don't know what it is.
1:31:55
David Morefield: Um, I know there's value there.
1:31:57
David Morefield: I'm not I'm not trying to rush to to just put something together, but I do know there that is the the value that I can provide.
1:32:05
David Morefield: It's it's not really let me tell you how to do everything.
1:32:08
David Morefield: Uh I don't have that.
1:32:10
David Morefield: But as someone who's an introvert, it's very, very weird to be like, I'm the connection guy now, or I'm able to connect people who can connect other people.
1:32:21
David Morefield: So I would I would like to keep doing that because it's fun.
1:32:24
David Morefield: Yeah, a lot of my friends get opportunities out of it.
1:32:27
Vipul Bindra: I see so much more money being made from other people, and uh also I like traveling, I like like meeting new people to travel, or even if you're spending if you're just going there for a meetup, there's huge value because you know you are the guy who's putting this together and you're creating this value.
1:32:43
Vipul Bindra: So I don't know.
1:32:44
Vipul Bindra: I like your meetups, I've met great people, and funny enough, sometimes it took a couple of meetups to build that connection.
1:32:50
Vipul Bindra: So that's why I like them going to them all the time.
1:32:53
Vipul Bindra: Because, for example, Adam and I met on the first one, and I remember not having you know, like that deep conversation with them because you know, even though there was a six of us, I was like, oh, so he does veterinary videography.
1:33:04
Vipul Bindra: Okay, sounds good.
1:33:05
Vipul Bindra: You know, I'm like, all right, that's it, that's all I knew.
1:33:07
Vipul Bindra: And then, you know, a couple of meetups later, and you recommending me hire him or whatever.
1:33:11
Vipul Bindra: I was like, oh, this guy does so much more than veterinary videography, right?
1:33:14
Vipul Bindra: It's like that slow connection build that you can do over the course of, let's say, I don't know, two, three meetups.
1:33:19
Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, oh, and now we've worked so much with each other.
1:33:22
Vipul Bindra: That wouldn't have happened had that opportunity not, I don't know, precide itself.
1:33:27
Vipul Bindra: And then him saying, Hey, I need somebody.
1:33:29
Vipul Bindra: Do you do you know someone or do you want to come?
1:33:31
Vipul Bindra: And I was like, sure.
1:33:32
Vipul Bindra: You know, but that wouldn't have happened um had he not been connected through your networking band or you recommending him to me, or or vice versa.
1:33:39
Vipul Bindra: I I don't know.
1:33:40
Vipul Bindra: I just find huge value in it.
1:33:42
Vipul Bindra: Now, talking about paywalls, I don't know how you could price it, or or that that's obviously for you to figure out because I've been struggling with the same thing.
1:33:50
Vipul Bindra: So here's something I want to do.
1:33:52
Vipul Bindra: Even though I'm a DP uh director, DP producer, I've really learned very fast in the industry that what separates a good DP from a bad DP or not such good DP is lighting.
1:34:02
Vipul Bindra: Because you're technically in charge of the light, the the lighting department, even though I know on a bigger set a Gaffer would do it, but on smaller sets, it's just the same group of people doing everything.
1:34:11
Vipul Bindra: And I've been able to, I think, learn enough about lighting.
1:34:14
Vipul Bindra: I wanted to, I've been wanting to do like an advanced lighting course, you know.
1:34:18
Vipul Bindra: Like I'm talking, it's it's it's for people who want to really learn, like getting into the Vids of it and getting into the to like spectrum, showing a color meter, light meter, like, and not that people need to go buy it, but like what's the spectrum difference between this light, this like why would I pull this light over this light?
1:34:33
Vipul Bindra: And actually showing the science behind it, showing actual frames from videos um and lighting breakdowns, whatever.
1:34:40
Vipul Bindra: I want to do like an intense four-hour lighting course that I feel like people could really benefit from and up their level.
1:34:46
Vipul Bindra: So it'd be like for really DPs who are like, I want to go to the next level, or people are like, I want to be a gaffer or I want to go to the next level of gaffing or whatever, right?
1:34:53
Vipul Bindra: That's that would be the target group.
1:34:55
Vipul Bindra: It wouldn't be for beginners.
1:34:56
Vipul Bindra: And so I'm like, and I want to do it very exclusively.
1:34:59
Vipul Bindra: I'm talking like five people, ten at most.
1:35:01
Vipul Bindra: Like that would be like is this a high ticket?
1:35:03
Vipul Bindra: No, and that's what I'm saying.
1:35:04
Vipul Bindra: I don't want to put paywall.
1:35:05
Vipul Bindra: I'm all about giving free education, but here's the thing I'm like, if I say free, yes, any and everyone can sign up.
1:35:13
Vipul Bindra: And I hate to say this, but if they don't know basics about lighting, how to put a light on a stand, this course isn't for you.
1:35:19
Vipul Bindra: We're gonna go straight into types of light.
1:35:22
Vipul Bindra: Why where to use a car, where to use a panel, why would I use this specific brand over this specific brand?
1:35:27
Vipul Bindra: Blah, blah, blah.
1:35:28
Vipul Bindra: Here's how you can use something pro on CITUS app or whatever.
1:35:32
Vipul Bindra: Uh you get my point.
1:35:34
Vipul Bindra: It's supposed to be for, hey, I I already knew the beginning thing.
1:35:37
Vipul Bindra: I know how to do a three-point, I know how to set up a light.
1:35:40
Vipul Bindra: Now, how do I take it to the next level, right?
1:35:42
Vipul Bindra: Where do I use frames?
1:35:44
Vipul Bindra: What rags?
1:35:44
Vipul Bindra: You know, stuff like that.
1:35:46
Vipul Bindra: And and I was like, I would really love to just help people, right?
1:35:49
Vipul Bindra: I feel like this could level up so many people.
1:35:51
Vipul Bindra: Uh, and I have this knowledge to share, but at the same time, I cannot do this in a big classroom setting.
1:35:56
Vipul Bindra: Then it's it wouldn't work.
1:35:57
Vipul Bindra: It has to be hands-on.
1:35:59
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
1:35:59
Vipul Bindra: So at most, I like I said, I would do 10 people, and even that to me seems high, right?
1:36:03
Vipul Bindra: Five would be ideal because then we can all be hands-on.
1:36:06
Vipul Bindra: But then I was like, if I do this for free, which is what how I'd like to do it, then I'm gonna get people that may not be interested in doing this.
1:36:13
Vipul Bindra: So I'm like, how do I get the right people?
1:36:16
Vipul Bindra: Because my time is worth something too.
1:36:18
Vipul Bindra: Like, I'm not talking monetarily, but I don't want to waste my time.
1:36:21
Vipul Bindra: So that's where I've been going back and forth, where I'm like, do I put it behind a paywall?
1:36:25
Vipul Bindra: And if I do, then what paywall?
1:36:27
Vipul Bindra: And then what do I do with that money?
1:36:28
Vipul Bindra: Do I spend that money on food?
1:36:30
Vipul Bindra: Do I keep that money?
1:36:31
Vipul Bindra: You know, I hope that makes sense.
1:36:32
Vipul Bindra: That's the internal debate recently I've been going through.
1:36:35
Vipul Bindra: And what's happened is I meant to do this last month, and now a month later, having made no decision.
1:36:40
Vipul Bindra: And in the end, what's happening is nobody's gonna get this thing because I have this internal debate on paywalls and what to price at or whatever, right?
1:36:48
David Morefield: Yeah, I mean, that's I'm in the exact same thing, except instead of a month later, it's like a year later for me.
1:36:54
David Morefield: And I'm like, Mike, I was talking about a newsletter like last year.
1:36:58
Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
1:36:59
Vipul Bindra: Um, and there's costs of that for you.
1:37:01
Vipul Bindra: You have to at least get the account, right?
1:37:03
Vipul Bindra: It's MailChimp, but whatever whatever platform you're gonna use, it's gonna have costs.
1:37:07
David Morefield: I don't think it's much, but it's more so it's it's not the cost, it's it's it's me committing to a future structure.
1:37:16
David Morefield: It's like, well, you probably would put one out every month, maybe even not.
1:37:22
David Morefield: It maybe it's whenever there's news.
1:37:23
David Morefield: Yeah, sure.
1:37:24
David Morefield: But like you you are committing yourself to that type of structure.
1:37:28
David Morefield: And as someone who is extremely non-committal, like yeah, I that is probably the biggest deterrent.
1:37:36
David Morefield: Yeah, is I'm like, do I know do I want to set up for something that I know I have to do in the future?
1:37:41
David Morefield: Obviously, you can make it work for you.
1:37:45
David Morefield: You do it at your speed rather than signing yourself up for what you think would be the highest um the highest value output.
1:37:55
David Morefield: That's how people get burnt out.
1:37:57
David Morefield: I have never got burnt out because I am in situations where I have the autonomy to choose do I want to do it or not.
1:38:06
David Morefield: Now, I have been extremely overworked and like, oh, I'm gonna take a week off, but I can take the week off.
1:38:12
Vipul Bindra: Yes, you have that freedom.
1:38:13
Vipul Bindra: And I think it's the same thing with this newsletter.
1:38:15
Vipul Bindra: Like I learned, I said it for years.
1:38:17
Vipul Bindra: I want to start a conversation with people, you know.
1:38:19
Vipul Bindra: I want to post it because I love watching, you know, like I said, Joe Rogan would be the perfect example.
1:38:23
Vipul Bindra: But for filmmakers, and I was like, I can't find something uh, you know, where where it's it's fun like that, where it's like new guests and you're talking about podcasts, yeah, podcast.
1:38:32
Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, I had to just do it, right?
1:38:33
Vipul Bindra: I had to literally, if you remember, the way it happened was here's the dates, we're just gonna do it.
1:38:39
Vipul Bindra: And it just happened.
1:38:40
Vipul Bindra: And same thing, I think, with the newsletter.
1:38:41
Vipul Bindra: If you just think about it, then you're gonna procrastinate, you're gonna come up with so many reasons to do it to not to do it.
1:38:46
Vipul Bindra: And uh, I think you should just do it.
1:38:49
Vipul Bindra: Simple as that.
1:38:49
Vipul Bindra: And then and I think that that's the thing I've learned since this lighting course.
1:38:54
Vipul Bindra: Uh now I've been procrastinating because I'm like, what do I do?
1:38:56
Vipul Bindra: What do I price it at?
1:38:57
Vipul Bindra: Do I price it at free or 99?
1:38:59
Vipul Bindra: Or should it be a high-ticket item because high value information?
1:39:03
Vipul Bindra: And and because of that, it's not happening.
1:39:05
Vipul Bindra: So I feel like I just need to pick a price and do it, and then I don't know, just you know, I feel like the value is already there.
1:39:12
Vipul Bindra: And since it's not there for my me to have income, I could just spend that money on food or whatever for people to have or something like that.
1:39:17
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
1:39:18
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but but I think the summary of it is you just gotta do it, otherwise, you'll always find reasons to postpone it or make it grander or whatever, right?
1:39:27
David Morefield: Not only do I agree, I um they're one of my favorite podcasts is called My First Million.
1:39:31
David Morefield: Have you ever seen it?
1:39:32
David Morefield: It's about uh these two guys um who uh have made a ton of money, tens, if not hundreds, of millions from buying and selling businesses, but they are so casual in in their podcast because they are curious minds, and that's how they've been able to find opportunities.
1:39:54
David Morefield: And they they will just they're they're one of the recent podcasts, they were saying um our new word is uh genered generative.
1:40:05
David Morefield: We are we we like generative people, and they said, What does that mean?
1:40:11
David Morefield: That means someone who is generating things, like it's not just being a productive person, it's like I'm creating things that are going out and doing more.
1:40:23
David Morefield: So I uh you generated this podcast, right?
1:40:28
David Morefield: And this I a hundred percent believe will create something beyond the episode.
1:40:35
David Morefield: It will go further, it will connect, it will catch the eyes of someone maybe five years down the road, who knows?
1:40:42
David Morefield: What yeah, it because you generated this, you made this out of nothing, put it into the ether, it's the same thing that I do with my vlog, just things just pop out.
1:40:52
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
1:40:53
David Morefield: And and I think that that is the difference of the people who have good ideas, a lot of people have good ideas.
1:41:03
David Morefield: I feel like I have great ideas.
1:41:05
David Morefield: It's just the ability to take the next step to actually create it and put it out, whether it's in a good phase, whether it's fully formed, whether it's polished, whatever.
1:41:18
Vipul Bindra: And remember, you never get good at it from day one.
1:41:20
Vipul Bindra: You have to first do it because a lot of people are like, oh, I'm gonna do it, great.
1:41:23
Vipul Bindra: Thing is, you can't like uh again, I I hate to give keep giving podcast examples, but like season one, I'm like, I wanted to do this, and uh, we weren't able to.
1:41:32
Vipul Bindra: So then it was like, do I cancel?
1:41:33
Vipul Bindra: No, we're gonna do how I'm able to.
1:41:35
Vipul Bindra: And I'm pretty sure season three, four, whatever, if I do it, I'll be like, oh, this was nothing.
1:41:40
Vipul Bindra: Like, you know, we're doing this or whatever.
1:41:41
Vipul Bindra: And you're it's always, you know, you're trying to go to the next level, but you'll never go to the next level if you don't start from the level one, right?
1:41:48
Vipul Bindra: Uh, same thing with your vlogs.
1:41:49
Vipul Bindra: I'm sure if you go back to the first one, you're like, oh, so cringe.
1:41:52
Vipul Bindra: You're fantastic.
1:41:53
Vipul Bindra: Right?
1:41:55
Vipul Bindra: And you're you're like, uh, what am I doing?
1:41:57
Vipul Bindra: Uh I mean, maybe you don't have the feeling.
1:41:59
Vipul Bindra: I do.
1:41:59
Vipul Bindra: If I look in my video even from six months ago, I'm like, what was I thinking?
1:42:02
Vipul Bindra: Because you're always evolving, I feel like.
1:42:04
Vipul Bindra: My goal is like today, if I make a video for my client, it's gonna be the best video that I can make today at that price point.
1:42:11
Vipul Bindra: Okay.
1:42:12
Vipul Bindra: That's a factor.
1:42:13
Vipul Bindra: Um, but that does not mean six months later that was the best video I can make at that day.
1:42:18
Vipul Bindra: Right, it will be something different, whatever the market needs or wants, or my process has evolved, right?
1:42:24
Vipul Bindra: So I just try to do the best that I can do today.
1:42:27
Vipul Bindra: It may not be the best thing ever, because uh, you know, at least for me, when I look back, I'm like, oh, what was I doing?
1:42:34
Vipul Bindra: You know, it's it's it's because you're evolving as a partisan.
1:42:37
David Morefield: Well, one of the biggest takeaways I've had from doing YouTube is I realize I have my job, my career, and I now always want something in parallel.
1:42:48
David Morefield: I want something else growing.
1:42:51
David Morefield: So for me, it's the the vlogging channel.
1:42:54
David Morefield: And then from that, that has branched out into Instagram chats, physical meetups, um, a ton of work being contracted my way, uh, so many more connections and and just meeting people around the US, everywhere.
1:43:11
David Morefield: So it's just so obvious in my face that I'm like, if I had just sunk all my time into my career, I would have been severely stifled.
1:43:22
David Morefield: I would never have had all of the opportunities from this side.
1:43:26
David Morefield: And I I want to have even more pillars.
1:43:30
David Morefield: That's two, but I would love to have a third one that is growing in and you know, kind of like a stock.
1:43:39
David Morefield: It's compounding over time, and I'm able to maybe not see a lot in the beginning, but it might it might be a long play and it might go nowhere.
1:43:50
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I never know, but you don't.
1:43:52
Vipul Bindra: I think you like you said, you're just doing it, and if you don't have an agenda, you're just creating what you want to create.
1:43:58
Vipul Bindra: Maybe you have an outline, but things will come because you never know where that leads to, right?
1:44:04
David Morefield: Or you're creating an environment where things can come.
1:44:07
David Morefield: Where things can come.
1:44:08
David Morefield: It might not, but you are not creating an environment where things can happen if you're just stagnant here.
1:44:16
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
1:44:17
Vipul Bindra: Plus, it's like again, be what we do, we people need to find us, people need to know what we do, and you need to show them that, whether that's through in-person networking events, whether that's through YouTube, whether that's through Instagram, whatever format people, TikTok.
1:44:31
Vipul Bindra: I mean, I find it cringe, but you know, you can do TikToks.
1:44:34
Vipul Bindra: I mean, whatever platform works for people, I think they should just do it.
1:44:37
Vipul Bindra: I think that's the summary of this, right?
1:44:39
Vipul Bindra: Just go create content, be generative, yeah, and then I think things, things at least create an environment around you where opportunities will follow.
1:44:49
Vipul Bindra: And usually, in my opinion, if you keep at it, keep at it, just don't give up.
1:44:54
Vipul Bindra: Things will automatically line up, you know.
1:44:56
Vipul Bindra: You just gotta keep doing better.
1:44:57
David Morefield: Yeah, and and I wouldn't bank on anything returning.
1:45:00
David Morefield: Like, I I uh had a consultation caller, it's an older guy in Denmark, and he's like in his 50s, and he has like kids who might have had their own kid.
1:45:11
David Morefield: And I was on a consultation call with him, and I'm like, how am I gonna help this guy?
1:45:15
David Morefield: Like, he's he's lived so much longer than I have.
1:45:19
David Morefield: He's has so many more wide views, experiences of the world.
1:45:24
David Morefield: Like, how can uh I don't know if you know it felt a little uncomfortable being like, oh, let me try to con consult you on how how you can improve.
1:45:34
David Morefield: And you know, a lot of times the value in the consultation calls is is just having the conversation for people to bounce off their ideas, it to hit me, me to redirect it.
1:45:45
David Morefield: And eventually I was very happy because in the the last stretch of the call, we we did find some some really cool trajectories that he could take, but it took like 95% of the time to just dig and dig and dig and find what could work.
1:46:00
David Morefield: And a lot of times it's it's not gear focused, these calls.
1:46:05
David Morefield: It's more so his was very my personality is like this, and I am I'm crisscrossed, I'm I'm wide, I'm sporadic, I and and it's hard for me to focus in and do this.
1:46:22
David Morefield: You know, do I need to have my website up?
1:46:24
David Morefield: Do I need to have my vlog?
1:46:25
David Morefield: Do I need to have a vlog channel like you?
1:46:27
David Morefield: Do I need to start doing Facebook ads on Meta?
1:46:31
David Morefield: Like, and he's like, I have all these ideas that I want to do, and and and then when we wrapped up, he was like, Oh, I thought you were gonna come in here and say, This is the plan that you need to do.
1:46:44
David Morefield: You need to scope in and like really do XYZ.
1:46:51
David Morefield: But he said, But that's not what you're telling me.
1:46:54
David Morefield: You're telling me that I have a much higher chance of success if I follow the things that I enjoy.
1:47:00
David Morefield: I was like, Yeah, you because you're gonna do it more than the thing that you're tasked with.
1:47:07
David Morefield: Because when you want to do it, it's not a task.
1:47:09
David Morefield: It's like, oh, I got to do that.
1:47:10
David Morefield: I get to so I was like, yeah, absolutely.
1:47:12
David Morefield: Go explore that route.
1:47:14
David Morefield: Like, you know, I have no guru abilities in my head.
1:47:19
David Morefield: I am just following the thing that I want to do, and because of that, I will do it more.
1:47:23
David Morefield: So if you do that, if you have if that allows you to be generative, that allows you to to create something, that is uh the the high producing path.
1:47:34
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
1:47:34
Vipul Bindra: And that's the key to to, you know, because you can make money doing so many things.
1:47:40
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, literally so many things.
1:47:42
Vipul Bindra: So if you just want to make money, go make money.
1:47:45
Vipul Bindra: But the the idea that I'm trying to at least share is like you can make good money doing what we do, but if you want to do it, right?
1:47:54
Vipul Bindra: I would really recommend people who are really passionate about it because there will be days when things are tough, right?
1:48:00
Vipul Bindra: People come here and we can tell them, you know, how awesome it is to have a really nice retainer that goes on for over 18 months, or I have projects that are like 50 grand, 100 grand, 150 grand all the time.
1:48:11
Vipul Bindra: So it's like, oh, this is amazing, but it's like they don't see the downtime, the bad times, or the times, you know, things are not going great that we, you know, maybe at least you're sharing on on somewhat on on your channel about your board not working on your camera, but I don't put any of that out there.
1:48:27
Vipul Bindra: So people don't see the sleepless nights, the extra time where you know you have to do things that you're not having fun or dealing with a bag full of receipts, you know, just because it needs to go in QuickBooks.
1:48:37
Vipul Bindra: Uh, point is like there's a lot of it, and I'm saying so if but if you love it, it will all flow.
1:48:43
Vipul Bindra: But if you don't love it, then it's just another job on top of another job, then it's just you might as well go do a better job that's not this complicated and technical and creative, where you can make good living.
1:48:53
David Morefield: You know what funny is my my retainer is like golden handcuffs, just like uh 2.3% interest rate on a mortgage that people got in 2020.
1:49:01
David Morefield: Like, um it is it is a fantastic situation.
1:49:07
David Morefield: And kind of before I would be like, well, maybe I'll move here, maybe I'll move there.
1:49:12
David Morefield: And it's kind of like, well, if you do that, you're not gonna have this.
1:49:15
David Morefield: And this is great.
1:49:17
David Morefield: Yeah, this is great for my income.
1:49:19
David Morefield: This is great for uh it's like every time is a an experiment to to to get creative, to kind of figure something out.
1:49:32
David Morefield: So I I love it.
1:49:33
David Morefield: Is it the the most fulfilling type of work?
1:49:36
David Morefield: No, but it's if I can satisfy my clients' needs, that's very fulfilling.
1:49:40
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, no, absolutely.
1:49:41
Vipul Bindra: You know, I've I've always debated because like I tell people like I don't have uh retainer clients, I have repeat clients.
1:49:48
Vipul Bindra: I really love what I do, right?
1:49:51
Vipul Bindra: But the reason I love it is because every day we're some doing something different.
1:49:54
Vipul Bindra: Like you said, last three days I was doing a course video, we're gonna be doing like a car shoot on Tuesday and then And uh, you know, uh, I was in uh San Diego earlier doing a conference, right?
1:50:04
Vipul Bindra: We're basically going, uh uh, then we're helping like uh the company that we helped does the same thing with they help sell other companies.
1:50:11
Vipul Bindra: So what I'm saying is I'm going from one cool thing to another cool thing, and it's like everything's different, and you know, it just keeps it fun because I'm like, oh, you do this, and you know, you get to learn about so many different industries.
1:50:22
Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, if I get stuck with one industry the whole time, then it'll get uh, you know, I don't know, boring to me, but at the same time, let me say the other side of it.
1:50:31
Vipul Bindra: Having seen you, I'm like, but I do like the idea that if I had a retainer like you do, then it's like, hey, eight days, like you said, it's like that the golden goose, right?
1:50:42
Vipul Bindra: Or not the golden goose, but like gold gold interest rate.
1:50:44
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, what do you call it?
1:50:45
Vipul Bindra: I called the golden handcuffs.
1:50:46
Vipul Bindra: Golden handcuffs, there you go.
1:50:47
Vipul Bindra: Because then it's like, hey, now I have 24 days every month or 22 days every month where I can now go do all that stuff, where I can say no to a certain industry just because I don't want to keep doing the same thing over and over again.
1:50:59
Vipul Bindra: So I completely have changed my mindset on retainers, having seen you and the freedom that is brought for you, uh, because uh, like you said, it it lets you then have that freedom to choose what you want to do.
1:51:12
Vipul Bindra: And for somebody like me who doesn't want to be stuck doing the same thing over and over again, and I'm not talking the same thing as in video, I'm talking same industry.
1:51:19
Vipul Bindra: Um, it would give that freedom where it's like, hey, nah, we haven't we've done that, so this may not be the right fit, so I can then pick the next industry.
1:51:26
Vipul Bindra: Because what I love is uh, you know, doing different things over and over again.
1:51:30
Vipul Bindra: Um, so we'll see.
1:51:32
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but I'm definitely more open to retainers now than I was in the past.
1:51:36
Vipul Bindra: So you never know.
1:51:37
Vipul Bindra: No, because I'm loving right now the shoot that we did on the track.
1:51:40
Vipul Bindra: Everyone I had on the shoot with me that day, they were literally like, This is the most fun I've ever had on a shoot.
1:51:45
Vipul Bindra: And I was like, that wouldn't have happened had I taken, you know, booked my whole month with repeat like retainer work or whatever.
1:51:52
Vipul Bindra: But it was from a repeat client.
1:51:54
Vipul Bindra: So I was like, this is incredible that we get to do this.
1:51:57
Vipul Bindra: Like we're literally on a track doing FPV drone stunts with this car that's unreleased, you know, stuff you wouldn't get to do.
1:52:05
Vipul Bindra: Yes.
1:52:06
Vipul Bindra: But uh, you know, and then the next day, like I said, I'm working with the CEO, we're like, you know, selling their that them selling other people's businesses, so it can just vary so much, and that that to me is fun.
1:52:16
Vipul Bindra: Like, you know, technically we're operating too.
1:52:19
David Morefield: I am surprised you don't have a retainer because you are someone who is so ingrained and let me find a workflow.
1:52:24
David Morefield: Yeah, I'm surprised you haven't aligned with a company who's I have, but that's what I'm saying.
1:52:28
Vipul Bindra: The way it works is they call like this company that I'm talking about, they just call.
1:52:31
Vipul Bindra: They were like, hey, so we're gonna now do 12 C's or 12 ADs.
1:52:34
Vipul Bindra: Okay, there you go.
1:52:34
Vipul Bindra: That the retainer or retainer, I say, uh the project is done, but it's project-based.
1:52:39
Vipul Bindra: I haven't done where it's like, oh no, every month you're gonna come make two videos for me or five videos for me, whatever.
1:52:44
Vipul Bindra: I haven't done that type of retainer, and but now I'm saying I'm starting to open more for it because like I said, I love repeat clients.
1:52:50
Vipul Bindra: Yes, I don't like being stuck that hey, every Monday is mine or every four days is mine.
1:52:55
Vipul Bindra: But now I'm like, if that meant that I could have the other days to pick and choose or whatever, have that freedom, I would be open to it.
1:53:03
David Morefield: Well, that that is my situation because for the retainer that I have, we book out about three to six months in advance.
1:53:10
David Morefield: It's not every Monday, it's like the client has these dates available.
1:53:16
David Morefield: Can you tell us which dates work for you?
1:53:18
David Morefield: So I have certain dates throughout the months coming up that I know are blocked off.
1:53:23
David Morefield: But for some reason, that's better to me than being like it's Tuesday through Wednesday every you know, every second week or something.
1:53:33
David Morefield: For some reason, I like that more, even though it's it's the same, it's blocked off time in the future.
1:53:37
David Morefield: But because I had the ability to choose, it makes me feel better.
1:53:41
David Morefield: And uh I Adam was asking me, Um, hey, I got a San Diego job coming up.
1:53:49
David Morefield: Um, can you put a tentative week for me?
1:53:52
David Morefield: And then he says, I'm gonna be getting the quotes, um, likely two days of production.
1:53:58
David Morefield: Do you what days do you have available between uh October, this and this, November, this and this?
1:54:04
David Morefield: And he goes, you know what?
1:54:05
David Morefield: Who are we kidding?
1:54:06
David Morefield: I'm your other retainer.
1:54:07
David Morefield: Like and I was like, and then I said, I don't need gear for either retainer.
1:54:12
David Morefield: Perfect.
1:54:13
David Morefield: Yeah, there you go.
1:54:14
Vipul Bindra: That's what I'm saying.
1:54:15
Vipul Bindra: Uh, you've got the good end of the deal.
1:54:17
Vipul Bindra: I like working with him, but I'm like, yeah, I want the the other option where I just show up.
1:54:21
Vipul Bindra: But no, that's an incredible.
1:54:23
David Morefield: Well, it's it's a testament to your workflows.
1:54:25
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I know.
1:54:26
David Morefield: He knows your workflows, yeah.
1:54:27
David Morefield: So he's like, Yeah, just have him do it.
1:54:30
David Morefield: I don't know what that says about my workflows, but um, he knows his workflow works and your workflow works.
1:54:37
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I mean, hey, I'm happy.
1:54:38
Vipul Bindra: That's why I say I've built this for my clients, but if that means it works, no, I'm now thinking about fitting you in my workflow.
1:54:44
Vipul Bindra: So if you remember the thing, gigs that you've done for me where the live stream where we want to, you know, make it mobile and be able to flow.
1:54:51
Vipul Bindra: And I was like, that now I've been literally thinking because this Ronin 8K that I've acquired actually does wireless signal, and uh you can it has a much better wireless signal.
1:55:01
Vipul Bindra: Uh and I was like, plus it's all integrated instead of this big thing.
1:55:05
Vipul Bindra: I was like, that it'd be so cool to deploy this at one of the uh live stream situations, and and I was like thinking, oh, would David like operating this?
1:55:13
Vipul Bindra: So maybe I I want to still use the tiltering.
1:55:15
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, the tiltering with the gimbal with the FX3.
1:55:18
Vipul Bindra: This is all just integrated.
1:55:19
Vipul Bindra: One battery makes it easy.
1:55:21
Vipul Bindra: It's a little heavier, but I don't know if it's heavier once you add all that up.
1:55:24
Vipul Bindra: It may actually be about the same weight or a little less because it's heavy, but it's not as heavy, I think.
1:55:29
Vipul Bindra: I need to explain it.
1:55:30
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, plus the manual being able to quickly go manual focus if it loses focus or whatever, and the the ability to track because if they're walking fast, you can select the face and then it'll just track.
1:55:41
Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
1:55:42
Vipul Bindra: I see it being deployed, so maybe that we we may we may try that.
1:55:46
Vipul Bindra: Uh, I'm I'm seeing the possibilities, like I said, just come in, we need to play with it more.
1:55:50
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but that would be really cool to to deploy with you there.
1:55:54
Vipul Bindra: But I know we're running towards the tail end of our time, so I want to go go back and touch on what I really want to ask about.
1:56:00
Vipul Bindra: You are a committed man now.
1:56:01
Vipul Bindra: What made you pop the question?
1:56:03
Vipul Bindra: And you also put it on the vlog.
1:56:04
David Morefield: So yeah, I I rarely do personal stuff on the vlog, maybe like a loop of her face or something.
1:56:12
David Morefield: Um, just because I don't know, that that's um kind of a side where I'm like, it's it's not really relevant to this, but like I do show a lot of personal stuff, so you know, you know, it's I'm not gonna make an episode about it, yeah, but like a little a little thing.
1:56:30
David Morefield: Um it's honestly because the vlogs are are I they're catalogs of like memories.
1:56:39
David Morefield: So I'm able to have a video diary, and I'm like, well, it's not really work-related, but because I insert so much of my life into my vlogs, I'm like, I kind of I want that cataloged in there.
1:56:52
David Morefield: And it was just like a 15-20 second sequence of of proposing.
1:56:59
David Morefield: I went to um Gloucester, Massachusetts, a coastal town uh right near Boston, and and the Airbnb was looking out over the the ocean, and um yeah, it was it was a really cool opportunity, but man, I I didn't know so many things going into it.
1:57:18
David Morefield: I didn't know that you have your engagement ring, and then there's also a wedding ring.
1:57:22
David Morefield: Yeah, didn't know that.
1:57:24
Vipul Bindra: So did you have already bought the ring or did you buy it there?
1:57:27
David Morefield: Um, I thought you could just go there and get a ring.
1:57:30
David Morefield: And the the saleswoman at Tiffany's was like, how how long do you have before you go?
1:57:37
David Morefield: I was like, five days.
1:57:38
David Morefield: She's like, Oh my gosh.
1:57:40
David Morefield: Like, we we need to like do this now to get, you know, you need to look through what which ones you want, send them out, or or have them sent in the right sizes and carrot, and then going down.
1:57:54
David Morefield: I'm actually glad I waited to the last minute because I would have gone down the rabbit hole of diamonds, clarity and cuts, and I'm like, I would sink so much time into this, but because I had to like kind of make fast actions, I was like, I I like that clarity.
1:58:12
David Morefield: I like that.
1:58:13
David Morefield: And then I remember these are the the styles that she likes.
1:58:18
David Morefield: Let's do it and move on.
1:58:20
David Morefield: So shout out to that lady for helping me because she really saved that situation.
1:58:26
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
1:58:26
David Morefield: Um and uh I like I said before, I'm a very non-committed person.
1:58:33
David Morefield: I hate knowing that my decisions are tied up for me in the future.
1:58:39
David Morefield: Yeah, so that really relates to me in freelancing.
1:58:43
Vipul Bindra: You're literally saying right now, hear yourself.
1:58:44
Vipul Bindra: You said I'm a non-committal person who just committed to marrying this woman.
1:58:48
Vipul Bindra: Yes.
1:58:50
David Morefield: And and part of me is is in that side where I don't like retainers.
1:58:55
David Morefield: You're telling me my Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday for the next foreseeable future is taken up.
1:59:00
David Morefield: Like, I don't like that.
1:59:01
David Morefield: I don't like not being able to say no.
1:59:03
David Morefield: I don't like having the autonomy to decide.
1:59:06
David Morefield: And um and then like obviously there's a big difference between choosing those things and work versus the personal side where you get to expand on this experience that you have with someone else.
1:59:24
David Morefield: And that is like the part that pushes down the non-committed to being like, well, this this is great, right?
1:59:33
David Morefield: You like this relationship with this person?
1:59:35
David Morefield: Yeah.
1:59:35
David Morefield: First of all, do you want to preserve it?
1:59:38
David Morefield: Because they don't just sit next to you forever without, you know, any anything uh in the foreseeable future.
1:59:45
David Morefield: Okay, well, what if it could grow into something bigger?
1:59:48
David Morefield: I'm like, uh I know.
1:59:49
David Morefield: I didn't see myself being like, yeah, I want to do that, but hearing her perspective of it and then seeing Did she knew you were gonna do it or no?
1:59:58
David Morefield: Was it an actual surprise?
2:00:00
David Morefield: Surprised her.
2:00:01
David Morefield: She knew we were in that realm.
2:00:04
Vipul Bindra: Okay.
2:00:05
David Morefield: Um, but the actual event was a surprise, and that's all I that was the main important thing.
2:00:11
David Morefield: I just didn't want her to be like, oh, it's happening right now.
2:00:14
David Morefield: Like I wanted the kind of a little bit of magic and to be like, I want to surprise you.
2:00:19
David Morefield: And and funny enough, I I filmed it on a A7S3 with a disposable DIY lens that I made.
2:00:29
David Morefield: So I kind of gave it this nice little blooming, stretching, um really, really cool look um with just the disposable lens cap.
2:00:39
David Morefield: Um you can buy them from dispo lens, but I I made one myself and um it it's uh it's like oh wow, this is like a big milestone like to go over.
2:00:55
David Morefield: It's intense.
2:00:56
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
2:00:56
Vipul Bindra: Are you are you you feel good now that it's done, you're committed, you know, you're yeah.
2:01:01
David Morefield: Um it it's it's exciting to to kind of see myself change a little bit, to be so adamant to being like, I don't know, I don't I don't know.
2:01:11
Vipul Bindra: That's yeah, dude.
2:01:12
Vipul Bindra: The guy I met, and I I've only known you a few years.
2:01:14
Vipul Bindra: I was like the guy I met what three years ago or whatever, two years ago, yeah, it was almost two years ago, uh was basically like would have never like you were like no no retainers, no commitment, no nothing.
2:01:25
Vipul Bindra: I'm a free bird to like yeah, you were you're engaged, you have a retainer that you've been doing for a year and a half, you know, you've left your downtown lifestyle that you were so happy about.
2:01:36
Vipul Bindra: Like you're you're you're kind of very different, yeah.
2:01:39
David Morefield: Yeah, and I I would say like I like the free bird type of feeling, and then now it just feels like it's too free.
2:01:45
David Morefield: Yeah, there you go.
2:01:46
Vipul Bindra: See that's the that's the the mushy gooshy way to look at it.
2:01:50
Vipul Bindra: Uh but before we wrap this up, this is incredible, by the way.
2:01:53
Vipul Bindra: I'm so happy for you.
2:01:54
Vipul Bindra: Feel like you're doing great.
2:01:56
Vipul Bindra: Love watching your vlogs, love keeping up um with what you're doing and hearing about you, like I said, even indirectly when I'm working with Adam or other people that you you know you're you've worked with.
2:02:05
Vipul Bindra: Um, like so Josh, like when he came and he was telling me about the dinner that you guys had because we filmed the YouTube videos.
2:02:10
Vipul Bindra: So things like that.
2:02:12
Vipul Bindra: Um uh but before we wrap this up, anything else you wanted to touch on?
2:02:15
Vipul Bindra: I know there's so many topics, man.
2:02:17
Vipul Bindra: This could go on too.
2:02:19
David Morefield: Um You know, uh I feel like we've talked about a lot of like the good things.
2:02:24
David Morefield: Uh I would I'm trying to think of like what what bad things are going on.
2:02:28
David Morefield: Because those those are oftentimes more interesting.
2:02:31
David Morefield: I'm trying to think of any issues that I have.
2:02:34
David Morefield: I I think you know, staying staying organized schedule-wise, and and trying to monitor what is gonna be my energy level if I do job, job, job, job.
2:02:47
David Morefield: You know, that doesn't show in the invoices.
2:02:50
David Morefield: The invoices look great, but kind of are you know that that is a a factor as well, is are you are you are you lining up your calendar if if you have the the ability to do so, where you're saying I'll I can do that, and then I can come home and charge batteries, and then I will be able to pack for the morning flight.
2:03:14
David Morefield: Um is there any margin for error there?
2:03:18
David Morefield: Like what happens if you miss if if your flight doesn't take off completely out of your control?
2:03:23
David Morefield: I don't know.
2:03:24
David Morefield: There there's there's a lot of times where when you slam things together in the calendar and you get through like I don't know, maybe like 14 days, and you're like, oh my gosh, like that worked, but like that could have been a nightmare.
2:03:39
Vipul Bindra: And here's the negative of of what what I at least I love this.
2:03:43
Vipul Bindra: So what happens with me is if somebody reaches out and with us having so much freedom, I can move things around and fit a job in, and then a job here and job here.
2:03:51
Vipul Bindra: What ends up happening that I'm like morning till evening, I'm doing a job, then I'm sending emails or responding to clients or reviewing edits, and then you know, I'm up till 3 a.m., then waking up again, 6 a.m.
2:04:02
Vipul Bindra: to get ready for the next day of the job, and then you do it again, then and then I've realized uh the most recently I'm like uh this is summer.
2:04:09
Vipul Bindra: I should be spending time with my family.
2:04:11
Vipul Bindra: And because it's our busy time, because there's so many jobs, and because what I love, uh, you know, what I do, I committed my calendar to so many jobs, and I'm like, oh, I gotta, I gotta make sure I carve out a few days, I gotta spend time with my family and my kids and stuff.
2:04:26
Vipul Bindra: The other side of what I enjoy, it shouldn't suffer because I am, you know, enjoying doing video production a lot.
2:04:33
Vipul Bindra: So it's it's it can be very negative when you're, you know, at least for me when I come home, like, I missed you, it's very rewarding.
2:04:39
Vipul Bindra: But then you're like, oh, I'm so freaking tired.
2:04:42
Vipul Bindra: I have so many things on my agenda that I want to do.
2:04:44
Vipul Bindra: But at the same time, these kids deserve all the time in the world with their dad, right?
2:04:49
Vipul Bindra: And that to me is the biggest struggle that I have, which is very similar to your like in time management.
2:04:54
Vipul Bindra: It's like there is no window for any errors because I have committed, like the next day, to go to this job, and I have all these clients that need me to respond.
2:05:05
Vipul Bindra: I have these editors who need me to watch video, and this guy probably will tell you the truth.
2:05:09
Vipul Bindra: He hates me.
2:05:10
Vipul Bindra: He's been asking me, review this website, review this edit, review this, and I'm like, Mario, tomorrow for sure, tomorrow for sure.
2:05:16
Vipul Bindra: And he knows, and I'm like, he's gonna realize it's like one of those relationships that tomorrow never comes.
2:05:21
Vipul Bindra: He's been like for two weeks already.
2:05:23
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, tell the truth though.
2:05:24
Vipul Bindra: Have you uh did have you been hating on me for doing that?
2:05:28
Vipul Bindra: Where you asked me to review something and I haven't a little bit but I don't know.
2:05:34
Mario Rangel: But but I I under I understand, so it's okay.
2:05:38
Mario Rangel: Just what I would like to to uh to help you with like uh like be on top of things, like be more organized, so and get it together.
2:05:47
Mario Rangel: But I know that you're full uh okay, so I understand.
2:05:52
Vipul Bindra: He's about to he's about to have that, you know, it's like choosing between do I spend hours with my kids that I have versus you know reviewing a video, even though the video is important, like I said, I want to post these uh YouTube videos and things like that that we're creating, but at the same time, I go, Oh, I gotta really spend a couple of hours with my kids.
2:06:08
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I gotta really sit down, and then and that's all I have.
2:06:12
Vipul Bindra: And then, you know, you gotta back to the to the regularly scheduled thing.
2:06:16
Vipul Bindra: And that is, at least for me, currently the biggest nightmare where it's like I was where you were last year, right?
2:06:23
Vipul Bindra: Where I had no expenses, so I was like, ah, I can do whatever.
2:06:27
Vipul Bindra: And now this year I've committed so much.
2:06:29
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, a house, a van, you know, this whole shebang.
2:06:32
Vipul Bindra: And it's like, oh, I have to do, you know, so much work, which I mean we end up doing anyway, but I'm just saying when you are you've that that thing behind you, right?
2:06:40
Vipul Bindra: Like you talked about, then it's like, oh, I have to do all this, and it's like, oh, now I don't have time for other things.
2:06:46
Mario Rangel: Some well, sometimes not like always you do too much at the same time.
2:06:50
Mario Rangel: Yes.
2:06:51
Mario Rangel: So I'm trying like to help you is out that all the stress.
2:06:56
Mario Rangel: Thank you, Mario.
2:06:57
David Morefield: This is the guy I needed.
2:06:58
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, there's my stress, yeah.
2:07:01
David Morefield: Um, you know, I I think there is uh a lot of us who are looking at the production side and saying, How do I workflow optimize this?
2:07:09
David Morefield: And then like neglecting workflow optimizing their life.
2:07:13
David Morefield: Yeah.
2:07:13
David Morefield: And and Adam said this to me when we were leaving Washington state.
2:07:18
David Morefield: We just did a job there, and he goes, you know, I feel like you and I are pretty even-tempered.
2:07:26
David Morefield: We kind of like do some act similar act outdoor activities and and we're like generally have a similar personality.
2:07:36
David Morefield: I was like, Yeah, I mean, I'd I'd say so, we get along well.
2:07:39
David Morefield: And he goes, When we get home and we split, our lives couldn't be more different.
2:07:47
David Morefield: He goes, I am on my way to um a new uh, you know, a fairly new wife who is a fairly new mom who has been taking care of a new baby, and and I have to jump into that role.
2:08:03
David Morefield: Yeah, you know, I can't just come home from a work trip and say, Don't talk to me for two days.
2:08:07
David Morefield: Like he's gotta go into that.
2:08:09
David Morefield: Yeah, he's gotta mow the yard.
2:08:10
David Morefield: He's gotta mow the yard, he's gotta give her a break, he's you know.
2:08:14
David Morefield: Um, and then he goes, But you, yeah, you're gonna go into your uh and he's got a nice beautiful home.
2:08:22
David Morefield: He's like, You're gonna go into your one-bedroom apartment.
2:08:25
David Morefield: Your girlfriend may or may not be there.
2:08:27
David Morefield: You have a cat and you're in the forest, and we are living extremely different lives.
2:08:36
David Morefield: And he didn't put it in a way of like your life is better, my life is better.
2:08:41
David Morefield: It's just different.
2:08:41
David Morefield: Yeah, it was just we have very different lives.
2:08:44
David Morefield: Oddly enough, we're in the same type of work, and we have chosen the things that we want.
2:08:50
David Morefield: Um, but man, are they different mindsets when you return home?
2:08:58
David Morefield: And uh, I was like, yeah, like I I I think you pick the situation.
2:09:04
David Morefield: Adam picked the situation that gives him exactly what he wanted, and I think I picked the situation that gives me exactly what I wanted, and I like that you can do that.
2:09:15
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, no, absolutely, and like I said, this is what I wanted.
2:09:17
Vipul Bindra: I have nothing to complain because for years, uh, and I'm sure I talked to you a bunch of times, and I know I talked to Adam, but like, I want a place where we can, you know, do this.
2:09:26
Vipul Bindra: So finally having that place is awesome.
2:09:28
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, right.
2:09:29
Vipul Bindra: I wanted the van, I wanted the studio, I wanted the podcast, I wanted this.
2:09:33
Vipul Bindra: So I I have to remember that I chose this.
2:09:35
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, like you said, it's it's a choice, it's not somebody forcing me to do it.
2:09:39
Vipul Bindra: Uh, and uh, but it's it's a uh it's a very different path.
2:09:43
Vipul Bindra: Like you said, you chose that quaint lifestyle, you know, you you enjoy being around the forest or whatever, being able to go to the spring, you know.
2:09:51
Vipul Bindra: I think everyone uh like we're doing very similar things as far as work goes, but then when we go to our personal lives, we're we're choosing to do different things, and that's okay.
2:10:00
Vipul Bindra: You know, we're carving our outer, I think, our own path, and that's awesome.
2:10:04
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
2:10:05
David Morefield: Um, but I will say I'm I'm I am getting a little itchy.
2:10:09
David Morefield: I'm like, this is this is okay, but you know, I'll see some other people who have different experiences, and I'm like, well, I don't want all of that, but like not, I'm hearing like above me, like is that the dog walking above me?
2:10:25
David Morefield: Is that the neighbor?
2:10:26
David Morefield: They're moving furniture at 8 a.m.
2:10:28
David Morefield: or vacuuming, and I'm like, okay.
2:10:32
David Morefield: So on one hand, I have my expenses exactly where I want them.
2:10:36
David Morefield: These low expenses allow me to profit at very high margins and save for the future.
2:10:44
David Morefield: And I'm like, check, check, check, love all that.
2:10:47
David Morefield: On the other hand, you have shared walls, um, you can hear conversations from neighbors, you can hear music, you can hear them moving the couch, and I'm like, I don't like that.
2:11:01
David Morefield: So, what what do I have to do if I want to switch out of that?
2:11:06
David Morefield: It's like, well, with current interest rates, you're gonna pay about double.
2:11:10
Vipul Bindra: So then you gotta mow the yard, you gotta take care of the house.
2:11:13
Vipul Bindra: If anything grows wrong, it's all on you.
2:11:16
Vipul Bindra: But it's not all negative.
2:11:17
Vipul Bindra: I do want to say, like, there's pros positive too.
2:11:19
Vipul Bindra: Like you say, none of that.
2:11:20
Vipul Bindra: You're it's your home, you don't you have that freedom.
2:11:22
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you walk it to like this.
2:11:24
Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
2:11:24
David Morefield: This is essentially a man cave.
2:11:26
David Morefield: Yeah.
2:11:27
David Morefield: This is your this is your excuse of a man cave, it's a it's a production studio, but this is your space.
2:11:34
David Morefield: Exactly.
2:11:35
David Morefield: And I like that type of scenario you created for yourself.
2:11:39
David Morefield: And I I would like something similar in just the general home sense, where it's like um when I pull into the driveway and I close my car off in into the garage, and then I close that door, the outside world is now outside, and there's no interference from any anyone else.
2:11:58
David Morefield: Um it's Just uh unfortunate with the current market situations, how much that costs.
2:12:05
Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
2:12:06
David Morefield: Because it could be five years ago, or it could be 15 years ago, where it'd be like, I I I know buddies who pay what I pay for a 1-1 for their mortgage because they bought a long time ago.
2:12:18
Vipul Bindra: But that's but that's I think with the real estate.
2:12:20
Vipul Bindra: Now, again, I'm not I can't predict real estate, but as far as I know, having been in Orlando since 15 years ago, it's always just goes up.
2:12:28
Vipul Bindra: So you're better to buy whenever because it's always goes up.
2:12:32
Vipul Bindra: You sound like the YouTube people.
2:12:33
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, no, I'm like no, but dude, I waited.
2:12:35
Vipul Bindra: So you know what happened with me, right?
2:12:37
Vipul Bindra: And I know we're past two hours, so uh I'll wrap this up quick.
2:12:40
Vipul Bindra: But essentially, uh, you know, I I was in Orlando, I saw homes that now I can't afford for like I'm talking one fifth, one eighth of their price.
2:12:49
Vipul Bindra: And I could have afforded them having a regular job and freelance video on the side.
2:12:53
Vipul Bindra: Easily, it was just me saying yes, and us saying, eh, we can buy a much nicer house somewhere else, and we decide to move, biggest mistake ever, because the same houses here are now worth, like you say, 8x, 10x, but the house that we bought there maybe 1.5x.
2:13:07
Vipul Bindra: Or it's the the way the Orlando real estate market has grown is just absurd.
2:13:13
Vipul Bindra: I mean, it is the truth because uh the homes that are meant for a normal family, a normal family can't afford it anymore.
2:13:19
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but anyway, so I left and when I came back, I was like, oh, okay, I'm gonna buy a house.
2:13:22
Vipul Bindra: But as soon as I looked at it, the rates were crazy, right?
2:13:25
Vipul Bindra: This is right after COVID, and I was like, oh, it has to come down.
2:13:28
Vipul Bindra: It's a bubble, it's a bubble.
2:13:30
Vipul Bindra: But you know what happened.
2:13:31
Vipul Bindra: Three years waiting, it's like it's only going up.
2:13:33
Vipul Bindra: I should have just bought one.
2:13:34
Vipul Bindra: So hence why I committed to it.
2:13:36
Vipul Bindra: You're right.
2:13:36
Vipul Bindra: The interest rates are crazy.
2:13:38
Vipul Bindra: The price I paid is crazy for what I bought.
2:13:41
Vipul Bindra: Um, but at the end of the day, the way I look at it is I'm in a nice neighborhood.
2:13:45
Vipul Bindra: My neighbors are nice, my kids are going to good school.
2:13:48
Vipul Bindra: Uh, I have a place now where we can do this.
2:13:50
Vipul Bindra: I wouldn't have been able to do this.
2:13:52
Vipul Bindra: And hopefully, hopefully, the market trends the way it has trended, and then in five years, this would have been a good financial decision, and people will say the opposite to me.
2:14:01
Vipul Bindra: Like, I wish you my my 1x bar bedroom costs more than your house does, right?
2:14:06
Vipul Bindra: It's the the perspective change uh of where we are.
2:14:10
Vipul Bindra: You know, I hope that's the that's the way I would at least say it.
2:14:13
Vipul Bindra: That this could be how you look at it in a five years down the road to my situation.
2:14:18
Vipul Bindra: It could be or it could be a good idea.
2:14:20
David Morefield: The common thing that I hear is like, oh, you know, when you were when it was 2007, right before the crash, and you bought a house, everybody was like, idiot.
2:14:28
David Morefield: You paid the highest overpriced.
2:14:31
David Morefield: But if you had bought in 2007 and you look now, you'd go, How are you so smart?
2:14:36
David Morefield: Yeah, how did how did you know that it was the right time to buy compared when you compare that house price now versus now, and it's like yeah, you know, I I kind of have to think of it that way too, but it just sucks that there are eras in between where it's like 50% less.
2:14:52
David Morefield: Yeah, I'm like and can I line up for that one?
2:14:55
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and you never know.
2:14:56
Vipul Bindra: I mean, to be real, the only one that's happened was 2008.
2:14:59
Vipul Bindra: You know, in Orlando, outside of that, prices have never come really down.
2:15:03
David Morefield: I know buddies who bought in 2020, they got their 2.3% interest rate.
2:15:08
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but that's just interest rate.
2:15:09
Vipul Bindra: You can always refinance though.
2:15:11
Vipul Bindra: What I'm saying is price for a house versus interest rate are two different things, as in uh interest rate always come down and low.
2:15:18
Vipul Bindra: And to be real, 2.83 interest rate was the lowest ever in history, right?
2:15:23
Vipul Bindra: Uh for a house.
2:15:24
Vipul Bindra: So it's not like uh that was normal either.
2:15:27
Vipul Bindra: I mean, no people who got it.
2:15:28
Vipul Bindra: That's it.
2:15:29
Vipul Bindra: I had it.
2:15:30
Vipul Bindra: I the house I sold, our interest was the three something, and uh, and and that's before COVID, because you know they were really low during that time.
2:15:36
Vipul Bindra: I'm saying even before then, I had a really good interest rate.
2:15:39
Vipul Bindra: So, and I wasn't doing something spectacular, you know, is what I'm saying.
2:15:43
Vipul Bindra: So, but we're not in that environment anymore.
2:15:46
Vipul Bindra: And my thing is yes, you can wait.
2:15:48
Vipul Bindra: I'm not an expert on real estate, but after me having waited years, I was just like, what it achieved for me is more important than the cost.
2:15:58
Vipul Bindra: Yes, is the cost absurd if I break it down?
2:16:02
Vipul Bindra: Absolutely, it makes no sense.
2:16:03
Vipul Bindra: Like, so I my mother is visiting and she can't even comprehend what I'm paying for.
2:16:08
Vipul Bindra: Because this is to me, I mean, obviously it was renovated, it was nice, but all I have is a regular four-bedroom house, right?
2:16:14
Vipul Bindra: This isn't some spectacular thing, whatever, is my opinion.
2:16:18
Vipul Bindra: It's a decent area, but that's about it.
2:16:20
Vipul Bindra: But what I'm paying for, it makes no sense because of not only the price, then you add the in the high interest rate on it.
2:16:26
Vipul Bindra: But then my the way I look at it is look, I live here, everyone is benefit from it, my friends can visit, I can have people come in, we can collaborate, and then hopefully, hopefully, prices keep going up, and then B, when the interest rates ever come down, and if they do, I can always refinance and get the lower interest rate.
2:16:45
Vipul Bindra: So I'm not stuck or I'm not married to this interest interest rate for that forever.
2:16:49
Vipul Bindra: And if I make right financial decisions, I can pay it off much sooner anyway.
2:16:54
David Morefield: And and I'll say the the this is my last thought that that I've kind of had over the last six months.
2:16:59
David Morefield: It's just um I'm fortunately in a situation where I can save now.
2:17:04
David Morefield: So I I'm just often thinking, is that savings going towards a down payment, or is that savings going towards building up um stocks for future cash out?
2:17:15
David Morefield: Um, you know, just something very simple, just an index, SP 500.
2:17:20
David Morefield: You know, let's let's say I have 30 grand that I'm putting towards a down payment, it'd be like, okay, that's a sizable uh amount, it's a healthy amount.
2:17:29
David Morefield: Um what if you put 30k into the SP 500 today and that was like um like just just one big step on that side?
2:17:42
David Morefield: It would probably be great.
2:17:43
David Morefield: Yeah, absolutely.
2:17:45
Vipul Bindra: Especially if rents don't climb as they they did because you know they got really high for a little bit.
2:17:50
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but I know they're trending down now because again, it has to can go up so like you know, but oh yeah, because people can only afford so much.
2:17:58
Vipul Bindra: That's the whole thing.
2:17:59
Vipul Bindra: It doesn't matter you know what you charge.
2:18:01
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but anyway, so I know rents are coming down, but as long as rents don't go too high, that could be beneficial.
2:18:06
Vipul Bindra: Because again, historically speaking, not again uh an expert on stocks, SP 500 has grown roughly about 10%, you know, year uh like over the decades or whatever, uh over the time, basically.
2:18:18
Vipul Bindra: So as long as you do a long-term bet, it's a good bet.
2:18:22
Vipul Bindra: Short term, you never know.
2:18:23
Vipul Bindra: It's a gamble.
2:18:24
Vipul Bindra: But long term, it's a it's a sensible investment, and and compound interest is a bitch.
2:18:30
Vipul Bindra: Like compound interest is awesome.
2:18:32
Vipul Bindra: Like, you know, yeah, essentially, you know, it it just basically you're gonna the longer you put it, the bigger you put it, the the you the more return you're gonna have.
2:18:41
David Morefield: It's it's amazing, is what yeah, and and that that's the yeah, the decision tree I'm in right now.
2:18:47
David Morefield: That's the fork is is um which one do I invest in?
2:18:52
David Morefield: I am more um inclined to just go into stocks.
2:18:57
David Morefield: I have my Roth maxed out every year.
2:18:59
David Morefield: I have enough now to have an additional account.
2:19:02
David Morefield: Um and and like I I just want to let the compounding work and just be annoyed by hearing the neighbors' conversations and just knowing that this is what that money is is going towards.
2:19:17
Vipul Bindra: But you know what you can do?
2:19:18
Vipul Bindra: See again, not a financial channel, but quadplex.
2:19:23
Vipul Bindra: If you buy a fourplex, I'm not doing that.
2:19:24
Vipul Bindra: No, because you can rent out the three and you can live in one.
2:19:27
Vipul Bindra: Why not?
2:19:28
Vipul Bindra: Because that's a good financial decision.
2:19:29
Vipul Bindra: I'm not managing tenants, yeah.
2:19:31
Vipul Bindra: I mean, true.
2:19:31
Vipul Bindra: But if you if you get good tenants, I mean, no, you don't want to?
2:19:34
Vipul Bindra: I'm not doing it.
2:19:35
Vipul Bindra: But that I'm saying financially speaking, though, that seems like a better option because not only do you eliminate your rent from your expenses, yeah, you can actually finance that FHA because up to four units can be financed, so you only have to put three and a half percent down, so the rest can be financed, and the other people are paying for your and I know a really good property manager, so you don't have to manage nothing.
2:20:00
Vipul Bindra: We can get him to handle all the management, repairs, whatever's needed.
2:20:04
Vipul Bindra: You can do really well, is what I'm saying.
2:20:07
Vipul Bindra: You don't manage that.
2:20:09
David Morefield: You know, when people say like, oh, I'm built different, yeah.
2:20:12
David Morefield: Yeah, I'm built different than the other way.
2:20:14
David Morefield: Yeah, not built for that.
2:20:15
Vipul Bindra: No, I mean that's why you have multiple options, but I'm saying you don't have to be.
2:20:19
Vipul Bindra: There's great property managers that will handle everything, collect rent.
2:20:22
Vipul Bindra: I know somebody even guarantees rent.
2:20:25
Vipul Bindra: So if like for some reason they don't pay, like there's some kind of insurance, you will get rent.
2:20:30
Vipul Bindra: Obviously, you pay a little 10%.
2:20:31
Vipul Bindra: It's a but it's it's it's more of the mindset.
2:20:34
Vipul Bindra: Right?
2:20:35
Vipul Bindra: It's it's like you have multiple options, and obviously you're gonna pick the best one for you.
2:20:39
Vipul Bindra: Is SP 500 awesome?
2:20:41
Vipul Bindra: Yes.
2:20:41
Vipul Bindra: Is eliminating your rent through a quadplex or fourplex awesome?
2:20:45
Vipul Bindra: Yes, is just continuing to rent awesome.
2:20:50
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you I think because if the rent is low, it is then yeah, because it it's it's usually with high interest rate, it's cheaper to rent than to buy.
2:20:59
Vipul Bindra: So I think I guess uh again, weigh the options and make the best decision because nobody can predict the future, but you can look at historically what's happened and make at least a smart decision.
2:21:12
David Morefield: Well, they these are the conversations I love having.
2:21:14
David Morefield: So um, I'm sure it won't be the last.
2:21:17
Vipul Bindra: I know.
2:21:17
Vipul Bindra: I I love them too.
2:21:18
Vipul Bindra: So we went past our time, but David, I could talk hours and hours about you, about everything finance, business, video production, life in general.
2:21:28
Vipul Bindra: So thank you again for coming.
2:21:29
Vipul Bindra: Can't wait to do this again.
2:21:31
Vipul Bindra: And uh please tell people where they can find you, follow you, all that good stuff.
2:21:36
David Morefield: Yeah, I would say I'm most active on um YouTube, David Moorefield, and I post blogs with my phone, just try to show people the perspective that I have, someone at my level, not not necessarily teaching, but just sharing, just sharing what my perspective is, my journey is, how I think of things, and it's completely different how someone else thinks of things, and then randomly I'll post on Instagram.
2:22:01
David Morefield: I post a lot of polls on my Instagram stories because I I go, I think like this, how does everybody else think?
2:22:08
David Morefield: So um, that's where I'm most active, YouTube.
2:22:11
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's really awesome content.
2:22:12
Vipul Bindra: I mean, I don't know how many people don't already follow you, but if for some reason you're watching this and not following David, I highly recommend it.
2:22:18
Vipul Bindra: Really great content, and like I said, real content, not made up YouTube content.
2:22:23
Vipul Bindra: And so I really love following it, a lot of value in it, and thank you, Mario, again, for being on the on the production desk for us.
2:22:30
Mario Rangel: Um thank you guys, it was a great conversation.
2:22:33
Vipul Bindra: All right, I agree.
2:22:34
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, me too me too.
2:22:35
Vipul Bindra: I had such a good time.
2:22:36
Vipul Bindra: So thank you for watching until next episode.