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Patriots Unfiltered 10/15: Evaluating Drake Maye's First Start, Takeaways from Loss to Texans, Recent Roster Moves · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 4: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday, goo
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  Speaker 4: Ahedrils Stadium. I had to think because it's we're a
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  Speaker 4: little bit screwed up this week because we're thinking about London.
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  Speaker 4: We'll be here for the next two hours talking Patriots
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  Speaker 4: and getting excited about the future. We're gonna break down
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  Speaker 4: Drake May. Evan's here. It's the first time we've really
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  Speaker 4: talked to Evan at length about Drake May. So we'll
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  Speaker 4: talk about that, we'll talk about this game coming up
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  Speaker 4: a little bit, but of course we'll get into that
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  Speaker 4: as the week goes by, Uh, we'll get more and
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  Speaker 4: more into the Jaguars and their situation. We'll touch on
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  Speaker 4: DeVante Adams going to the Jets. That's breaking news this morning.
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  Speaker 4: It's win or bust in the Jets, So we'll talk
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  Speaker 4: about that. But let's let's start it right out. Eight
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  Speaker 7: Yea, yeah, thank you for.
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  Speaker 4: So those are all the things that happen in the
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  Speaker 6: This is true right naked without it without the three
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  Speaker 6: of us spent two hours already gushing over the future.
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  Speaker 6: So something tell something tells me that that's going to
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  Speaker 6: pale in comparison to what you were about to experience
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  Speaker 6: over the next two hours. From Evan.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, I think I've I've clarified my take. I think
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  Speaker 4: his production was more than I expected in his first game,
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  Speaker 4: and the turnovers was a little bit more than I
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  Speaker 4: expected in the first game as well. Evan, the floor
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  Speaker 4: is yours.
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  Speaker 7: Well, yesterday was a fun day for me.
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  Speaker 8: This was the most fun that I have had watching
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  Speaker 8: Patriots offensive film since Max rookie year. And I don't
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  Speaker 8: think that that is hyperbole at all. I would just
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  Speaker 8: say said this to Deuce earlier. Tell your kids, tell
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  Speaker 8: your wife, tell t Higgins. Patriot's got a quarterback. His
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  Speaker 8: name's Drake may A. Guy can throw it, guy can run.
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  Speaker 8: I look their mistakes on the film, all right. It's
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  Speaker 8: his first career start. He had some turnovers that he
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  Speaker 8: would probably like back, especially the first pick to Pop Douglas.
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  Speaker 8: But I had him with twelve plus plays in this game.
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  Speaker 8: It's the most I've had for Patriots quarterback since Max
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  Speaker 8: rookie year. So you can take the good with the
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  Speaker 8: bad for a first year guy in his first career start.
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  Speaker 8: But I really was incredibly encouraged by what I saw,
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  Speaker 8: and I think the main thing being that you know,
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  Speaker 8: this is what we're going back to the draft. Now,
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  Speaker 8: he reads the field exceptionally well for a young quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: So how can you tell that.
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  Speaker 8: You just can always tell that his eyes are in
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  Speaker 8: the right places. He's throwing to open receivers, he's not
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  Speaker 8: throwing a covered guys very often. You can tell that
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  Speaker 8: he's reading through progressions and he's getting from left to right.
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  Speaker 8: He goes all the way across the field to Pop
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  Speaker 8: Douglas before the half, goes to his fourth R eight
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  Speaker 8: on the play and makes a throw across the field
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  Speaker 8: for twenty two yards. You know, those are types of
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  Speaker 8: plays that are just incredibly encouraging to watch.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 8: The things that he had issues with I thought were
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  Speaker 8: mostly physical mistakes, you know, missing pros just fought out
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  Speaker 8: Aaron passes, whereas the mental errors were few and far between,
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  Speaker 8: which is extremely impressive given that this is his first
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  Speaker 8: time out. So I just I don't know how you
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  Speaker 8: watched that tape, watch that game if you watched it live,
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  Speaker 8: and don't come away thinking, yeah, there's some things that
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  Speaker 8: need to be developed or some things that need to
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  Speaker 8: be worked on here. But if he's supported properly and
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  Speaker 8: the Patriots have a guy, so.
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  Speaker 4: You're saying buying a ten jersey this year might be
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  Speaker 4: a better investment than it was four years ago.
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  Speaker 7: I'd buy the jersey.
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  Speaker 8: If I was the Patriots, I'd be advertising the crap
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  Speaker 8: out of the kid. I saw it last night on
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  Speaker 8: the Monday Night Football that he's already on the promo
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  Speaker 8: for Sunday in London.
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  Speaker 7: I mean it's all warranted.
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  Speaker 8: I feel like, I mean, he did everything that you
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  Speaker 8: were hoping that he was gonna do, and maybe even
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  Speaker 8: a little bit more. You know, you knew the downfield
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  Speaker 8: throw to Booty, the obscript play to Henry were like
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  Speaker 8: the two boxes I think we all wanted to see checked.
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  Speaker 8: But even some of the nuanced stuff that he was
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  Speaker 8: doing was really impressive too. Beyond that, so it was
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  Speaker 8: like I said, that was the most fun I've had
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  Speaker 8: in years.
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  Speaker 4: So you're saying that some of the inaccuracy was a
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  Speaker 4: physical thing, yeah, could it also be a mental thing,
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  Speaker 4: because one of the things coming out of college was
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  Speaker 4: he was a little bit more inaccurate with the shorter passes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and this is what we saw in this game as well.
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  Speaker 4: When there was something inaccurate, it was within fifteen yards,
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  Speaker 4: you know, So could it be a mental thing, and
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  Speaker 4: then more so, can it be corrected, whether it's physical
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  Speaker 4: or mental.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say that physically some of the things
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  Speaker 8: that I noticed from him throwing over the middle of
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  Speaker 8: the field, specifically, which is where most of the misses
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  Speaker 8: for him came. He was four for nine at the
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  Speaker 8: intermediate level, missed a couple throws and also put one
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  Speaker 8: behind Pop Douglas that if he had led him across
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  Speaker 8: the field like he did at the end of the game,
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  Speaker 8: that's probably another thirty five yard touchdown to Pop Douglas.
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  Speaker 8: So some of those errors that I saw were more
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  Speaker 8: mechanical or physical, you know, talking about throwing the throwing
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  Speaker 8: hallway where you know, where his hips and feet pointed
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  Speaker 8: in the ground, so that he's leading the receiver. Instead
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  Speaker 8: of throwing the ball where the receiver is, you want
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  Speaker 8: to throw it in front of the guy and lead him,
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  Speaker 8: you know, across the field. So he did that on
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  Speaker 8: the on the last one to.
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  Speaker 4: Pop right, he corrected it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, And that was I think the most encouraging thing.
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  Speaker 8: I was listening to him on EI yesterday and he
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  Speaker 8: said that he liked how he bounced back from some
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  Speaker 8: early adversity, and I couldn't agree more because early on
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  Speaker 8: in this game it was dicey. You know, he's leaving
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  Speaker 8: some clean pockets, he's missing throws. You know, it wasn't pretty.
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  Speaker 8: But then he came back later in the game and
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  Speaker 8: basically hit all the things that he missed early in
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  Speaker 8: the game. You know, the touchdown to Booty, he threw
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  Speaker 8: that exact concept. He threw that to Pop over the
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  Speaker 8: middle for an interception. They come back to the almost
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  Speaker 8: the exact same play and he gets to the one
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  Speaker 8: on one and throws a forty yard touchdown. Later on
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  Speaker 8: in the game the Crossers, he finally hits the one
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  Speaker 8: in stride and gets a touchdown on that. So there
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  Speaker 8: was a lot of progress even just within the game
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  Speaker 8: from where he started to where he finished. That was
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  Speaker 8: encouraging too. So I'm a Drake may guy. Everybody knows that,
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  Speaker 8: so as long as he didn't completely trip all over himself,
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  Speaker 8: I was probably gonna be positive. But I really felt
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  Speaker 8: like it even exceeded my expectations.
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  Speaker 4: So for those that didn't hear us on the postgame show,
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  Speaker 4: do you guys want to confirm or yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, go ahead, Mike, you I mean, I'd echo
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  Speaker 5: a lot of what Evan said. I think, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I think that big pass to Booty was because Evin said,
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  Speaker 5: like it was kind of choppier first, right, and I
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  Speaker 5: remember at one point I kind of like jokingly was
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  Speaker 5: like this, Oh, this looks way better. I mean, it
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  Speaker 5: didn't really look that much better, you know, early on,
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  Speaker 5: but then all of a sudden he hit that pass
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  Speaker 5: and it was just the jolt of energy. I mean
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  Speaker 5: that you can feel it in the stadium and even
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  Speaker 5: in the press, and you know, then he came out
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  Speaker 5: in that second half and.
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  Speaker 4: Was starting to unbuttoned.
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  Speaker 5: No, I know, Fred looked at me and he gave
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  Speaker 5: me kind of an err, but I didn't see the
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  Speaker 5: shirt coming off, so that wasn't quite sure. Maybe maybe
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  Speaker 5: if you hit another one. But but yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 5: I echo everything Evan said. I think it's encouraging. I think,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I just I said that. The only like
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  Speaker 5: not worry I would have is like, I just you know,
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  Speaker 5: this is how you think, But it's I just hope
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  Speaker 5: this isn't the kind of cave where the hard stuff
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  Speaker 5: is easy and the easy stuff is hard. You know
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  Speaker 5: that that kind of thing was a little bit of
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  Speaker 5: the vibe I god at times but the first game.
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  Speaker 6: And we'll see it's a consistency, but I would absolutely
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  Speaker 6: echo it. We we had two hours on the postgame
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  Speaker 6: show and you're right. I mean, I'm not everybody is
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  Speaker 6: the same listening, but we were all, you know, all
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  Speaker 6: four of us were very encouraged by the differences in
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  Speaker 6: the passing game. Like you had a semblance like it
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  Speaker 6: was third and nine and you didn't say, well, they're
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  Speaker 6: going to have to run a draw or you know,
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  Speaker 6: just you know, throw a little short pass short of
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  Speaker 6: the sticks. But because you had a quarterback that was
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  Speaker 6: extending plays, he was getting out of the pocket both
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  Speaker 6: as a runner and as a thrower, which I thought
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  Speaker 6: was really encouraging. And it wasn't all that. It wasn't
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  Speaker 6: all off script plays. The play you know, like I
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  Speaker 6: knew that he could sort of buy time and maybe
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  Speaker 6: flip flip one Hunter Henry for thirty yards, okay, you know,
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  Speaker 6: off platform, you know, kind of broken play. That's a
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  Speaker 6: that's a huge play if you have a really good offense,
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  Speaker 6: those are huge plays. Josh Allen makes them all the time.
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  Speaker 6: That's why the bills are so dangerous. Those are those
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  Speaker 6: are huge plays. I'm not I wasn't necessarily looking for
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  Speaker 6: those in his first start. But there was a play
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  Speaker 6: I want to say, in the in the second quarter,
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  Speaker 6: like the plays before the touchdown to Booty on the
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  Speaker 6: touchdown drive that you know, impressed me far more than
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  Speaker 6: the touchdown to Booty, you know. And there was like
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  Speaker 6: a little like thirteen yard out to Booty. I don't know,
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  Speaker 6: I'm saying Booty a lot here. I don't like that.
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  Speaker 6: I forget which drive it was, but just it was
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  Speaker 6: my whole like the NFL play thing, and that's to
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  Speaker 6: me when I come away with most excited. That's the
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  Speaker 6: stuff that all the experts told me he needed a
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  Speaker 6: lot of work on.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 6: His footwork isn't here, He's not always on time, his
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  Speaker 6: progressions don't always look right, you know. You know, I
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  Speaker 6: knew that there was like some accuracy issues, and we
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  Speaker 6: saw some of those on Sunday. But I thought he
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  Speaker 6: did a lot of things that the so called experts
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  Speaker 6: told me he couldn't do, even though I saw them
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  Speaker 6: when I watched high the way I'm watching highlights in
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  Speaker 6: select games, so I'm not watching every play of every
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  Speaker 6: game the way these guys do for a living. But
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  Speaker 6: I thought there were really positive signs, and just the
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  Speaker 6: routine looked routine at times, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 6: Like sometimes these guys are so athletic, they rely so
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  Speaker 6: much on their skills, and you watch them play, you know,
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  Speaker 6: and you're like, well, it gets bailed out just because
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  Speaker 6: he's such a superior athlete. And I didn't think that
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  Speaker 6: a lot of his success was just because he's a
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  Speaker 6: great athlete. I thought a lot of his success was
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  Speaker 6: as they drew it up.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the piggyback on that. I just kept
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  Speaker 5: coming back to margin for error. There's some margin for
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  Speaker 5: error with him, you know, with his athleticism, even with
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  Speaker 5: some of the footwork stuff. I mean, I don't think
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  Speaker 5: that crosser to Pop was you know, ideal footwork by
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  Speaker 5: any means. But he's just got an arm and he's
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  Speaker 5: able to get it where it needs to be even
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  Speaker 5: if his feet aren't perfectly set. I just that's something
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  Speaker 5: that's been missing around here for the last couple quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 5: There's no margin for error. It all had to be purpose.
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  Speaker 4: Although he seems like the kind of guy when he's
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  Speaker 4: on the run he's able to like keep his shoulders
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  Speaker 4: square so that when he throws the ball, it doesn't tail, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Yep, it goes where he
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  Speaker 4: wants it.
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  Speaker 5: I like the throw to Henry though, I mean it
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  Speaker 5: was you know, it wasn't quite a no look pass,
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  Speaker 5: but it was. He kind of looked him off a
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  Speaker 5: little bit, you know, like it's just it was all
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  Speaker 5: of a sudden he kind of came back to it.
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  Speaker 5: I thought that was a great play.
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  Speaker 8: I thought that throw in particular. The best part about
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  Speaker 8: that was the throws he didn't make initially in the
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  Speaker 8: progression because they're running.
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  Speaker 7: Stick you like stick.
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  Speaker 5: Brady likes to.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, So they're running stick, right, and they have like
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  Speaker 8: big and little stick, and on both sides of the
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  Speaker 8: field it's covered like and he doesn't throw into coverage
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  Speaker 8: where auto young quarterbacks. They throw that out against that
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  Speaker 8: cover two corner and it's picked off and it's a
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  Speaker 8: pick six. He held the ball, recognized that they had
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  Speaker 8: it covered, and then he improvised. It wasn't like he
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  Speaker 8: just immediately went into improv mode. He kind of let
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  Speaker 8: the progression go out, realized he had nobody open, and
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  Speaker 8: then it's okay, now I go make a play. And
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  Speaker 8: that's just something that this offense didn't have, you know,
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  Speaker 8: in that situation, that's a throwaway, it's a sack, it's whatever.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 8: Now they have a guy that can go out there
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  Speaker 8: and create something out of nothing, and they get a
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  Speaker 8: thirty yard gain on a play two weeks ago that
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  Speaker 8: would have been a sack, you know, And that's that's
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  Speaker 8: just such a big difference for this offense. But you
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  Speaker 8: mentioned the out, you know, a little pump fake on
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  Speaker 8: the flat corner, and then he throws at the Kaishan
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  Speaker 8: Boodie in the cover two hole. Like those types of
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  Speaker 8: things are all over his North Carolina tape, and I
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  Speaker 8: just didn't understand why it was always you know, he's
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  Speaker 8: got a ways to go and on the details and this,
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  Speaker 8: that and the other. Like he was pumping guys, he
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  Speaker 8: was moving guys with his eyes. He was doing all
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  Speaker 8: these things at North Carolina that he just wasn't getting
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  Speaker 8: credit for. So now you see it at the NFL level,
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  Speaker 8: and I just say, it's a it's a tough it's
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  Speaker 8: a tough day for the Orlowski's of the world. They
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  Speaker 8: are telling us to sit him for three years, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, and he's not ruined. He didn't come out of
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  Speaker 4: the game ruined.
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  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, and it is, like I can understand obviously,
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  Speaker 6: I'm you know, you no, no, and you know I'm
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  Speaker 6: the King of Snark, you know, the Great White Snark.
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  Speaker 6: But you know I'm with Evan. You guys know that
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  Speaker 6: I'm more with with Evan. But it is one of
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  Speaker 6: those weird things that everybody came into this from two
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  Speaker 6: different camps, very distinct camps. Play may or don't break drake, right,
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  Speaker 6: I mean those are those are the two camps, right.
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  Speaker 6: Both of them probably came out of the game saying, see,
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  Speaker 6: I told you. You know, both both sides probably feel
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  Speaker 6: a lot of vindication because him because he turned the
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  Speaker 6: ball over a lot, he got hit a lot, and
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  Speaker 6: that's what their fear is. Whereas I am in the
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  Speaker 6: other camp of yeah, he made a lot of plays
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  Speaker 6: and you got more production in the passing game than
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  Speaker 6: you've had all year. And the only way he's going
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  Speaker 6: to eliminate the former is by continuing to play. That's
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  Speaker 6: where I stand. But the I don't you know, because
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  Speaker 6: those guys, right, So I like he was exactly on
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  Speaker 6: my expect I mean, I know this sounds like snarky,
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  Speaker 6: but that's exactly what I was expecting. I was expecting
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  Speaker 6: him to make some plays that I was impressed with,
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  Speaker 6: and I was expecting him to make some plays that
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  Speaker 6: I was disgusted with. And I saw both. Now, some
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  Speaker 6: people look at the former and they say, this is
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  Speaker 6: why he has to play, this is why we've been clamoring,
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  Speaker 6: you know, And then other people look at and say,
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  Speaker 6: he didn't give you, like you had no chance to
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  Speaker 6: win the game because of all the mistakes. I understand
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  Speaker 6: the mistakes are going to come, like young quarterbacks make mistakes.
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  Speaker 6: One of the mistakes that he made the no one
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  Speaker 6: really talked like he kind of drifted into some of
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  Speaker 6: the pressure at times too, especially early in the game.
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  Speaker 6: I think he was better at that, which probably coincidentally
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  Speaker 6: had something to do with the score in the second half.
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  Speaker 4: The first he was kind of bouncing off guys.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeaheah, and like it. Like Mike says, like there
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  Speaker 6: was times you were like, yes, it's not looking great,
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  Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden, the two minute drill
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  Speaker 6: at the end. It was just such a dichotomy between
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: the two minute drill at the end of the half
• 15:24
  Speaker 6: and the three of us talked about it live while
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: it was going on. It's like it's uncanny. It's the
• 15:28
  Speaker 6: same situation. They ran it for nothing. They kind of
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: rushed but didn't rush again. As the clock is winding down,
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: and then he makes that play that Evan talked about
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: where he's deep into his progression. He throws one all
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: the way across the field that Jacoby Brissett and a
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: lot of other NFL quarterbacks couldn't dream of making. That's
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: a pick with a lot of other guys. But he's
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: got the arm strength to get it out there. Pop
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: makes a great play to get twenty two yards up
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: the sideline for him, and all of a sudden, it's
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: game on here. You know, now, this is that's what
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: Van Pelt was trying to do the week before against
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: Miami or two weeks before whenever that was, you know,
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: against the Dolphins when they kind of botched that at
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: the end. When was that? What was the game? I'm
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: missing the game now?
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: Is Miami?
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: Okay?
• 16:12
  Speaker 7: And then Seattle they did the same thing.
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the Miami game that the week before when he
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: takes a shot down the sideline to Polk and you know,
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: as Van Pelt says, you know, it was not a
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: good throw, not a good route didn't get open, and
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: you know, all of a sudden it fails. They're looking
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: to jump start a drive and Drake may jump started
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: the drive for them.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, So like those are all the things that he
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: did that we're talking about. I think those are Like
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: you had him for twelve plus plays just out of curiosity.
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: How many minus places yet?
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: Nine?
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: Okay, So now I'll give you an example of like
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: how you can come after this from different ways. I
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: had a feeling that your number was going to below Greg.
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: You know Greg Bdard, who we mentioned all the time
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: because he does it a lot like Evan. They watched
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: the game and they graded thing he had him for
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: eleven plus plays to your twelve on the same seventeen
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: minus place.
• 17:02
  Speaker 7: I saw that.
• 17:02
  Speaker 8: I the seventeen minus plays. I haven't read what Greg
• 17:06
  Speaker 8: road or heard what he said said.
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: I can't, and I apologize. I would tell you what
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: he wrote. I can't read it.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: I can't.
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Like there are times, you know, there was a
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: if you paid you could there was a scramble early
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: There's a scramble early on in the game where there
• 17:21
  Speaker 8: was a play action drop back and he didn't even
• 17:24
  Speaker 8: give the play a chance to develop. He hit the
• 17:26
  Speaker 8: top of his drop and he took off, And if
• 17:29
  Speaker 8: you want the guy to sit in the pocket and
• 17:31
  Speaker 8: play quarterback, then you're probably gonna grade that as a
• 17:33
  Speaker 8: negative play, even though the rush gained eleven yards, because
• 17:37
  Speaker 8: it was kind of that bumper cars that we were
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: talking about just a second ago. He like bounces yeah, yeah,
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: he bounces off like two guys and then all of
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: a sudden gets out and goes for eleven yards. Hunter
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: Henry is like open over the middle on an incut
• 17:50
  Speaker 8: if you had just stayed in the pocket and made
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: the play. So I could see that being a quote
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: unquote minus. I don't count that as a minus because
• 17:58
  Speaker 8: he gained eleven yards.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: But if you go back in the film room, you're
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: telling him, don't do that, do this.
• 18:05
  Speaker 8: But I don't know if I am like, because that's
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: not who he is. So like, if you're gonna take
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: the gunslinger out of him, and you're gonna take the
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: playmaker out of him, and you're gonna want him to
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: sit there and be brady and just like pick apart
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: defenses from the pocket and all that kind of stuff,
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: then I don't think you're allowing him to play to
• 18:22
  Speaker 8: his strengths.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: You also don't want him to vacate if he doesn't
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: have to.
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I hear that.
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: I just I look at it a little bit differently
• 18:30
  Speaker 8: because that, to me, that play got him into the game,
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: Like he made that that run happen, and he kind of.
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: Settled down a little bit after that. Yeah, And I
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: I just a I.
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: Don't think so, but I might have my sequence wrong there.
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: I just I think the biggest thing that you see
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: with him is that he's gonna have some plays and
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: you watch it every single Sunday on with Josh Allen
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: or Jordan Love or any of these other quarterbacks where
• 18:59
  Speaker 8: it breaks every rule that a quarterback coach or whatever
• 19:02
  Speaker 8: would tell you, but it just works because they're just
• 19:06
  Speaker 8: that physically talented.
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: And that's what you have to hope for, is that
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: he's one of those guys that it's not always going
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: to be by the book, it's not always going to
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: be conventional, but he's gifted enough that more often than not,
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: like Josh, how many times do you see Josh Allen
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: turn the ball over and you watch the highlight and
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: you're like, what was he thinking on that play? Like
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: a lot during the course of a season. When you
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: if you watch the Bills, that happens a lot, and
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: it happens a lot with Jordan Love too, as as
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: Evan said, totally. But you gotta like, you got to
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: take some of those bad because there's gonna be so
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: much more good, I mean, And that's what you have
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: to hope. I'm not I'm not putting Drake may in
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: that category.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: And that's the bigger point for the rest of the season.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Assuming Drake starts every one of these games, which we
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: all hope for, is that it's not going to be
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: about winning or losing because he's going to make mistakes.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: And you ask me this question on the postgame show.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: If he played that way every game, every games you
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: know from you know, from week one, what would their
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: record be? It'd probably be one and five, if not
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: zero and six. Because the Patriots can't win when you turn.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: They're not that good all around.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: The kid, they can't be. You can't worry about.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: That right now. You've got to play this kid. You
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: got to let him throw it. You gotta let him
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: make mistakes. Do not coddle him the way they coddle
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Mac Jones. At least the first half of the his
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: first his rookie season. Do not coddle him that way.
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that's my point with the scrambles and
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: the and the offscript stuff is if you tell him
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: we want you to sit in the pocket and we
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: want you to read this out and we want he's
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: gonna become robotic and it's not gonna be his natural
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: playing style. He's not, like I said earlier, He's not Brady.
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: He's Josh Allen, right, Like, get used to watching that
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: kind of quarterback. Don't expect him to be manning Brady
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: Breeze and just like sit in the pocket and read
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: out defenses all the time and pick people apart. I
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: just if there's one thing that concerned me a little
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: bit was the accuracy, Like that is he gonna be
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: more consistent with his downfield accuracy because it wasn't just the.
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: Air Milt pick. I mean, he he missed.
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: I had him with six Arran throws in the game,
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: and a lot of those two were like completions where
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: the ball placement just wasn't completed absolutely, And so that
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: that's gonna is that is it mechanics? Is it lower body?
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: You know, the longer wind up back and sometimes it's yeah,
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: like what what's causing him to because he had all
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: these Erran throws in North Carolina?
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: Take that. That's the thing to watch for me, is
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: that can that? Like can he doesn't need to be Brady?
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: But can he develop that part of Brady in his
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: game of And a lot of it's mental, right, I mean,
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: that's just experience, understanding, getting comfortable, especially trusting your offensive lineman,
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: Like that's that's another part of this whole thing where
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: he's getting snaps from under a butt that he's never
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: been under before, Paul, you know, it's not like ever
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: where through So I I I agree with with everything
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: Evan said. I just I mean this, I think each
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: quarterback is so interesting. Like we've watched a couple of
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: rookie quarterbacks now and you kind of see what they're
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: good at and what their holes are, and you say,
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: this is what they have to develop in their game.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: And that's what I'm so interested to watch going forward
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: for these last what is it eleven games, Like, you know, really,
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: can we see the development of him just getting a
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: little more comfortable in the pocket taking? So, I mean
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: that's what you're talking about though, take the layups, like,
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: you know, take the easy stuff. But that's that's what
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: he has to figure out.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: I think you mentioned pocket. You don't want us sitting
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: in the pocket. It would be nice, though, if he
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: had a pocket to sit in. And you know, we
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: do have to address this offensive line situation because it's
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: going to affect his development. It's going to affect how
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: he plays the rest of these eleven games, assuming it
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: doesn't get right.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: You know more, we're watching all of that stuff too
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: with May and seeing how he, you know, progresses, and
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: you're also going to have to watch to see how
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: the other teams progress against him because like, as an example,
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: I don't know how you guys felt, but the last
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: in the world I was expecting on the forty yard
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: touchdown was a go round.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah Houston too.
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: I thought they were gonna throw something short over the
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: middle play for a field goal and say, hey, that's
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: a nice scoring drive we put together at the end
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: of the half there, And all of a sudden, they
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: get a one on one on the outside and Stingley's
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: caught completely. And he's a good player, Booty beat a
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: really good corner on that play. He just caught him
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: completely flat footed. They were even about the ten yard line.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: He ran right by him. Like so, now to your point, Fred,
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: does that make you less easy to guard? But now
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: you you got them in a different way, you defend
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: them in a different way, I hope, so all those
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: things get I think that's just like they're allowing to
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: Mario Douglas to run unencumbered across the field how many times?
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: Four more? Four times? Tis more like they're going to
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: cover him now, Like do you have to? Because now
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: you have a quarterback. You can get that all the.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Way, you know, like people say, oh, you know, if
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: he had hit that first one, he would have had
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: two touchdowns. If he had hit that first one to Douglas,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: they probably would have guarded him differently second time.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: And this to me is the whole key though. And
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: we've spent the last three years talking about they're easy
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: to defend. Get up on the line of scrip.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Okay, so now we're pushing them back the more we
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: can run.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: We've got pushing them back, just defending him differently, like
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: you like tomorrow, Douglas didn't go down the field. He
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: ran across the field with nobody on It's like five
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: times right.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: The reason why the.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: Touchdown things. It's unbelievable how fast he beat the guy
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: off the line on the touchdown. But now you say, like, okay,
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: he has that and this guy is going to get
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: it to him. So I got to maybe play his
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: own or I got to maybe you want to do
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: some different things.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Has to think about something.
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: I'm not necessarily talking about back and I'm talking about
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: I don't know for the first time really since Brady left.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: There might be an adjustment to the way the secondary
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: has to play.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: But that's fine.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: The more the more things you show that you can do,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: the more they have to worry about. And then it's
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: up to the quarter to find out, Okay, where do
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: I go? Because he's got more you know, now he
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: has more things to think about because the defense is
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: you know, has him on tape. But it's all good,
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: it's all good.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: It's good.
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: But I think, my my my fear is this is
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: where the sprays come into play because if he's gonna
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: start to see a lot of zone coverage, which is
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: I think, what's gonna You cannot play man to man
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: against this guy like he you just can't. You know,
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: he's gonna tear you apart if you sit in man.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Because rush him in two sets.
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: But but his his downfield throws are too good and
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: he's too mobile, so you're gonna you're gonna put yourself
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: into a blender trying to play man to man against him.
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: So they're gonna start to play a lot more soft
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: zone against the Patriots. And the question is is he
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: going to be able to take the underneath stuff consistently
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: and not have the sprays on the short and intermediate
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: throws that he had in this game, Because if he
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: starts spraying the ball all over the place, then they're
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: just gonna sit back and zone and make him pick
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: him apart from the pocket. You know that that's where
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: he's gonna have to adjust, because we'll see it this
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: week with Jacksonville, Like they play more Cover two than
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: any team in the league. So they're gonna sit with
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: those two high safeties and they're gonna say, if you're
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: gonna beat us, it's gonna be at the short and
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: intermediate level.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: You mean, teams are gonna have to treat the Patriots
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: offense like a real NFL offense eventually a little bit.
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: Okay, all right, Yeah, I think The one thing to
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: douce his point is does that open up the running game,
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: because now you'll have two guys you know deep, you'll
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: have those lighter boxes, Like maybe now you can sequence
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: the run game off of it, and that would help
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: you alleviate some of the stress. But I'm just thinking
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: about he has Jamichael Hasty on a hitch route and
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: he throws it just nowhere near him, like in the
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: third row, and it's like, if those are the types
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: of throws that everybody's gonna force him to now make,
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: is he gonna be able to make those consists?
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: I do want to temper. I think we're a little
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: bit We're not there yet where other teams have to
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: fear Drake May Yet if I'm an opposing defense, I'm
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: still treating him like a rookie quarterback and I'm daring
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: him and I'm gonna, you know, confuse him.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: But it's a little something to think about.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Oh it eventually.
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: Myself about both both camps are like claiming victor. You know,
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: they scored twenty one points. It just looks so much
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: better because, Yeah, as I've used this line a few times, Leef,
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: I'd rather lose forty one twenty one than twenty four
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: to three. Right, that's just a me thing. Yeah, I understand,
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: it's the same. You didn't have a chance to win
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: either game. I get it. If you had, I'd rather lose, well,
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: scoring at least some points.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Right, if you had, you know, same picks and same
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: inaccuracy and they only scored three points, then that camp
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: would really be all over it. But he had production.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: He had three touchdown passes. When's the last time a
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Patriots quarterback got three touchdown passes? Billy Zappy Bailey Zappy.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: I was going to say, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh's question.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, do you guys put anything on it that
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: there wasn't I mean, and maybe this was situational, but
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: that he didn't really have a run game either in
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: this in this game at all, Like there wasn't really
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: anything doing on the ground for them.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: The first time he touched the ball, they're down set nothing.
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: Second time he touches it down fourteen nothing. That's not
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: on Drake May and the offense, right, Like, give him
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: some help. You know, you're playing against a good team
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: in a good defense and you can't run the ball.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: You got no Remondre Stephenson, and it took him a
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: whole half really to sort of get his footing.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's what's frustrated drowd Mayo after
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: the game, and you could he was kind of, you know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: real visibly upset with his defense because, man, if we
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: could just play the kind of defense I think we can.
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: To your defense, are we going to do this right now?
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Because I was enjoying that.
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: No, I just I will get to your defense, don't worry.
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: But the one thing that I would just not the
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: run game necessarily. But Houston played pretty straight up in
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: this game. They actually didn't do much exotic defense at all.
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: Like it wasn't a lot of like post snap spins
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: or anything like that. They played man to man across
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: the board, and they said, our guys are better than
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: your guys, and we're just going to beat you.
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: And they also had a huge lead for the vast
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: majority of the game.
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: Right and they they had the lead, and I guess
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: you could say early on in the game it worked
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: for them because he throws the pick, the Douglas and
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: all that kind of stuff. But then as he settled
• 29:14
  Speaker 8: into the game, you know, him and Popp were torching
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: them on those crossing grounds.
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: Pop was beating that he was twenty three, I think.
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so he was.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Talking about the sideline, the iselin.
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: To the touchdown. He beat him so quickly that it
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: didn't matter about pass protection, None of it mattered. He
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: was coming across the field with nobody within five yards
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: of him.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: So when you look at him and statistically, Douglas is
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: turning into one of the best man coverage route runners
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: in the league. I mean, he's been really, really good
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: in terms of beating man coverage. Now he's got a
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: quarterback that can get him the ball in those situations.
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: Like if I'm defenses, you have to change, Like you
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: can't just come in here and play them straight up
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: like the Texans did. They thought they were going to
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: rush five guys that they were going to play man
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: to man across the board and the Patriots weren't going
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: to be able to move the ball on them, and
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: they were able to move the ball a little bit.
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: So I would be worried about doing that moving forward.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: All right. Eight five five Pats five hundred is the
• 30:13
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• 30:17
  Speaker 4: So we've just touched on, you know, some of the Patriots, Drake.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: There's a lot more to you know, delve into the
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: defense is an issue, the offensive line, you know, who
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: are the receivers that might emerge this season. I was
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: surprised Kendrick Bourne was a little quieter than I thought
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: he might be in this little bit second game.
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: I think he's still he says he's still working.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: Said it would take him a little bit. But I
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: thought the surprise was that Booty played the most snaps
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: of anybody. I mean, he's kind of emerged. He's I
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: didn't think he dressed the first two Some.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Of us thought he was pretty good.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: You know, I thought he was okay. I mean I
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: always thought like I thought it was kind of him
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: and Rager were kind of the bubble guys, and I
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: thought Rager was better.
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: I think that illustrates the problems you have offensively. What
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: that he's that he the most snaps.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: I don't care as long as he's producing.
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll let you know when he does.
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: I don't know snap snaps to me, I thought you
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: were talking about pop like pop is there a number Booty?
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: You said, Oh, we were talking about Booty.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: I said, Mike you, oh, I was talking about some
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: of us thought Booty was good.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's what you said.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Some of us thought that.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: We all thought Douglas was good. Some some think that
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: he is a pro bowler who was going to catch
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty passes. I'm sorry I clapped back
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: at that. I thought that was insane who said that
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: Tom Curran predicted he was going to catch one hundred
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: and twenty balls. If he catches one hundred and twenty balls,
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: he will not be in one.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: Piece this show.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: But that's what that's the way he's talked about, all right.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: Another writer, Chris Price called him a poor man's Tyreek Hill,
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: who also said he has he's a threat to score
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: every time he gets the ball, despite the fact that
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: he recorded his first career touchdown on Sunday.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that's that inaccurated poor man's.
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: This is where we this is what we did. But
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: I can think he's a good player without you mocking me.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: But what do you think that means? A poor man's
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: I don't think he has anything in common with Tyreek Hill.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: What He's not anywhere near as thick as Tyreek Hill
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: explosive as Tyreek Hill the strong hands to go up
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: and win contested catches like.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Tyreek I think he's quick and small.
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: Not even to mention the flate, the flat out straight
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: line speed that Tyreek Hill has. It's he's shifted. I
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: like Pop Douglas is a good shifty slot receiver.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Poor man's Tyreek Kill.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: What does you think? What's going on with him?
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Wow?
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: This guy, this guy we're talking about. We're talking about
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: Douglas stuff, winning routes within a millise mister touchdown, thirty
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: five yard crossing routs want to talk about maybe.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: No, but I I look, I was, I was disappointed.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: I've been a fan of his. I think he's a
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: good player. I think he's got a lot of potential.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: I want to ask about this though. Okay, so he
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: did not have a good game, poke.
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: But up to this point, like that's three in a
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: row he's been okay's games like that in a row.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Because he couldn't get his feet in the week.
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: Because he hasn't caught passes when he's been throwing.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: The ball to him, get throw the ball.
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I gave you the numbers. The last game he's
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: got ten catchers on twenty three targets on the season.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: It was just what was it like, two three drops?
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: I mean it was, you know, I don't know if
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: they all qualified as but I thought there was. He's
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: targeted four times that I think he should have.
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: I'm not worried about the drops because the drops, I've
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: watched them all summer. I think he has good hands.
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: on Sunday. That's what I worry about. The other balls
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: that are intended for him, that that are not connecting,
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: which seems to happen more often than not. Dropping the
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: ball is not necessarily something. I'm worried. And we'll see.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: You could maybe maybe it's mental now when he's got
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: the yips.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: So I have to go back. But I can't remember,
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: like up until this week me saying, boy, that's a ball.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: He should have really had yea poke.
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: But I'm just telling you when the ball was thrown
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: to him, it's not completed, but it was.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: I know that he's not open, but that doesn't mean
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: that every time him that that it's the receiver's fall.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: Like some of the.
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: Partly it is because he's not getting open enough that
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: the pass can be completed.
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: I mean he runs a corner on third down.
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: I guess that was one that he was You know,
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: he runs that route down the sideline on second and
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: two when he's covered like a blanket and has to
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: turn into a defensive back.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, is that his fault.
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: Yes, you're supposed to get open. That's what the offensive
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: coordinator said. We didn't win on the route. No, that's
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: part of it. When you get targeted seven times and
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: catch three balls one week and then six times and
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: catch one the next week. Yes, that's that's partly on
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: the receiver. It's not just wide open bad throws.
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: No, he has not been very good, and I would
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: say for a couple of weeks now. But I look
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: at it as mental, like I I really.
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: Feel like he's worried about that. He's got kind of
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: the yips with it.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: MAO said, he's got to get over the hunk.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: I wonder, especially coming off of what he thought was
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: a game and winning touchdown against Miami that doesn't go
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: his way on the call. You know, then he comes
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: back this week and.
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: Part of it too, like the map to handle that,
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: like he carried on and on and on. I like
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: the way he wouldn't get back in the huddle. He
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: kept watching the video. He's you know, he's gesturing to
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: the crowd. Two more plays here, like that was second
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: down next, you know, like if that happened to Tom,
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: I mean, I know it's unfair, but if that happened
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: to Tom Brady, you know what would have happened on
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: one of the next two plays.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he would. But that's fair enough, you know.
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: And again, I'm not worried as much about the fact
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: that he dropped too easy passes. Everybody's going to focus
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: on that. I mean, obviously, sorry. One of them was
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: like a power dribble. Yeah, like he had a chance
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: that came in and just like knocked it down. It
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: looks like, do remember when Brandon Marshall wanted out of Denver?
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: When Josh got there and he yeah, do you remember
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: Brandon Marshall.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: Baby were alive?
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: Then he literally was throwing passes to the ground. He
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: would catch passes that trade camp and and throw him
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: to the because he wanted out. That's what it was like.
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: But I watched him all summer. He didn't drop and
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: no training camp I think that's just why I'm a
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: little bit so I'm not as worried about dropping a
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: couple of passes, unless, like Evan said, like maybe it's
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: a mental thing that's now in his head that that
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: would be something to be concerned about moving forward. I'm
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: more sort of worried about him off the field, Like
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: I don't know what you're gonna I know you guys
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: are gonna jump on this and say Paul's being negative again,
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: and I don't mean it, but like in training camp
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: when he kind of yelled at us like for not
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: being on board, like if you don't believe in us, now,
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: we don't want you. Like this is a kid who
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: hadn't even played a game yet, and he's already chastising
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: the fans for not being on board with the wide
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: receiver room, and back to back weeks he's posting videos
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: on the Monday after an incomplete pass, trying to tell
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: you why it's a complete pass when both of them
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: were incomplete, and I just wonder.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like I.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Thought I would. And I really like the kid a lot.
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: I mean, calling him a football player, I like a
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: lot of them. I don't like him as much as
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: you might element, but I like a lot of what
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: he brings physically to a football team. I think he's
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: a football player.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: I think the bigger issue is and it goes back
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: to kind of the booty of it all was, you know,
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: and Evan you said paying a lot of snaps doesn't
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: necessarily mean much. And I do think it's a reflection
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: kind of the Paul's point of that they're not really
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: getting production from the other guys. And Douglas you like,
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: and Bourne's coming back, and I agree with Fred's point
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: earlier saying will get a little bit more. He'll get there,
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: I hope. But I think I'm just looking at Polk
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: saying you're the guy, You're the second round pick, You're
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: the one who needs to.
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: Those you want him to be the third and right now.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: Is compliment Douglas, and you know and and and you
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: want him to do it for May because you think
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: this is a guy who's got some size and and
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: and and is able to bring a different element to
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: Douglas and to develop a chemistry.
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: So with Holk, I just want it like again. And
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: I know how sometimes I get perceived, and I I
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: am not given up on jail and Polk. I've heard
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: a little of that this week on on my shows,
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: not necessarily my show Mike and Tony, because I haven't
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: really heard them because they had a Bruins game yesterday.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: But some of the other guys are like, oh, this
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: is another second round bus And I'm like, the guy's
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: played like they've played six games. Like can we give
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: him like a chance to sort of have some success,
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: have some failure. See how he reacts, you know, see
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: how he fights through it, like Taekwon Thornton made some
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: plays early on as a rookie. Remember the game in
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: Cleveland with Zappi where all of a sudden it looked like, Hey,
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: this guy might have something, and then he never built
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: on that, you know, and then it's sort of steadily declined.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: Let's see if Polk is different. Maybe he's having a
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: little bit of a rough patch here. Maybe he responds
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: and catches five balls next week and we're all having
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: a whole different conversation. I'm not giving up on Polk.
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: It's very weird to me because his film is the
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: absolute opposite of what I expected it to be. I
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: expected him to make those catches but not get open.
• 38:54
  Speaker 8: But he's getting open, he's not making the catches. It's
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: like really bizarre watching him at Washington. I just expected
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: him to be like this contested catch, you know, over
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: the middle type of receiver and be able to win
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: in traffic and you know, make those difficult catches. But
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: that's hasn't been the case. What the problem is, He's
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: getting open, like he gets open on the game winning touchdown,
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: Like he's open, he just doesn't make the catch. You know,
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: he got open early on in this game on a
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: go route on the throw to Douglas the first interception.
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: He's he's got a step on the corner on the
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: outside on the go route and Drake just didn't get
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: to him and threw it over the middle, like he
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: gets open on film, and now he's not catching the ball.
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: And it's just like that was the exact opposite of
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: what I thought.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: Maybe that switches next week, Maybe maybe he makes a
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: couple of those catches early on, and it's a whole difference.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: A really good conversation. That's why I kind of threw
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: the hammer down just to talk, because I was curious
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: what you guys thought about it. All the really interesting
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: points everybody made about It's just there's something not quite right.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: And I continue to really like the player, and you know,
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: think that he can contribute, and i'd expect at some
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: point with all the work that him and May put
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: in the summer together and you know, the you know
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: that May right now feels like I gotta get my
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: guy going. You know, I got to get this. You know,
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: you feel like there was a connection between them this summer.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: Hopefully they're able to do it.
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: You know, some of that mental stuff with May too,
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: you know, back to him, because that's all I care
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: about it. But with you were talking about the practice
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: and all the all the work he did with Polk
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: and stuff like that. Do you remember like some of
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: those late practice got to have it plays on the
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: goal line, the red zone plays to him, you know,
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: and they well there was to Booty as well, and
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: I wanted to just bring it up because it was
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: like he would almost always talk after it. He goes, yeah,
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: you know, like Polk would say, well he looked at
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: me and said, you know, I'm coming to you because
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: pre snap he would recognize the coverage or whatever it was.
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: You know, he did the same thing with Booty on
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: a red zone thing. He gave him an opportunity, and
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: that's to me what the most impressive part was when
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: everyone was talking about some of the things you saw mentally,
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: like doing the right thing to his progression. He recognized
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: on the touchdown to Booty it was right away, you know,
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: it's going to be man on the outside and that's
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: going to be my matchup. That's where I'm going if
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: you somehow someone chose to clap back at Evan saying
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: his footwork was a mess on that play.
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: Which is which I don't get. I don't still, I
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: don't know.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna harp on it because you know,
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: it's it was ridiculous. But the fact that he's able
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: to like, that's the stuff that we talked about that
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: separated Brady. You know, like just how many times now
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying that doing it once means you're Brady,
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: you know, obviously it doesn't. But that's the kind of
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: stuff that I would be excited about. Like his near turnovers.
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: I mean, I know we had three turnovers. He had
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: some others that would kind of loose, but it wasn't
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: because he was throwing into double coverage. It wasn't because
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: he was misreading making. He was making some inaccurate throws
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: at times, which which put the ball at peril at times,
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: which is not good. I'm not saying that's good, but
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: I would rather that. I'd rather him overthrow Demario Douglas
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: and get it picked off, then have him thrown into
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: a defensive team meeting and get it picked up. The same,
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: The results the same, Right, But I would rather have
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: the first than.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: The last, because he work with the guy, right.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: You know what, he fooled me. He was right there.
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: I didn't know. I didn't I didn't see the linebacker
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: underneath or whatever.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: It's exactly what I said on the pregame show. That
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: was like, you know, just don't throw those plays. And
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: he didn't throw that. There were turnovers he didn't.
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: But you know that's with the draft.
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: You know, it goes back to like, would you rather
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: a guy like Zach Wilson who doesn't know what he's
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: seeing and doesn't see the field well and it's just
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: has all the talent, but you can't get him over
• 42:35
  Speaker 8: the hump because of that, or a mac Jones who
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: doesn't necessarily have the physical talent, or a guy like
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: Drake May who just is a little rough around the
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: edges he has he sees the field well, he's got
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: the arm talent, and now he's got to be a
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: little bit.
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: More consistently accurate.
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: Like I would take Drake May ten times out of
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: ten because you can work with that.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you had to pick a like a thing,
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: like you're gonna get a quarterback and he's gonna have
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: one thing you gotta work on, I mean you that
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: very well might be the W and you pick like
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: you've got everything else. But it's got to settle down.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: And all right, let's get to the TPX hotline and
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: some of our emailers, uh, because our listeners are chomping
• 43:10
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• 43:12
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• 43:12
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• 43:17
  Speaker 9: Everyone, you know, I think Matt has been getting better
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: every week on the pre and post team show, So
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: shout out to him.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: We will get better faster, Poke or Matt.
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: Well, that's I think Matt unfortunately, but.
• 43:33
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• 43:36
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• 43:39
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• 43:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah, anyway, Mike on the pregame show. Maybe by the
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: number sixteen you meant Jim Plunkett and going back to
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: the early seventies with that throwback uniform, the pat Patriot
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: at midfield and Drake May's first touchdown was a deep
• 44:14
  Speaker 9: past the booty by Daryl Stingley's grandson. So the result
• 44:17
  Speaker 9: in nostalgia with that play and we're all encouraged by
• 44:22
  Speaker 9: what we call from May on Sunday. But my question
• 44:25
  Speaker 9: is will we make progress next week in London? That's
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: that's the big question. And how will Jacksonville Just sorry,
• 44:32
  Speaker 9: I'll leave it on that, thank you.
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, I thought we had some good discussion of that,
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: how they might start to adjust and you know, I
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: think I think the biggest thing for me, maybe for
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: the panel is you know, what kind of challenge is
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: it going to present for a rookie quarterback having to
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: travel internationally. You guys are going to be leaving Thursday night.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: They'll have a practice on Friday in England. They'll have
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: a walkthrough on Saturday. You know, what are the challenges
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: for him, especially when you hear NFL veterans just talk
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: about how important it is for routine, and hey, what,
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: he's six seven weeks in. I mean, I'm sure he doesn't,
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: you know, isn't that embedded in his routine? So maybe
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: that can be a good thing, But I think it's
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: it's it's an interesting little challenge for him. And to
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: say it is.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: It's a seven hour flight, I'm hoping, you know, including myself,
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: everyone gets some sleep because.
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: That long seven hours.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that going that way, that's what they said, seven
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: hour flight.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: How long was Germany?
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah? I felt like Germany was seven hours eight This
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: is five.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But so it's a long flight, and then you
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: have the time change going forward. So you get off
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: the you know, you get on the plane, it's like
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: seven point thirty here PM and you get there. They
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: don't get to the hotel till nine o'clock in the
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: morning England, so you go right into it. You know.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: So if you're going to get some sleep, it has
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: to be on the plane. So it makes it tough
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: for everybody.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm so jealous. I forget which player was,
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: but somebody was like, how is the flight. He's like,
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I conked out in Boston. I woke
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: up in Germany last year.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Good for him, that was. But you know a lot
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: of people we'll talk about this, you know, like did
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: the Jaguars have a distinct advantage because they've been in
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: England the whole week and they played last week and
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: they stayed But that could also have a disadvantage because
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: like he knew, like the bits, we had those two
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: games on the road and you did the you know
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: that you stayed out there like we did last you know,
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, the camp the.
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: Players regular season, just Brown Trent Brown's training camp, but
• 46:30
  Speaker 8: Arizona dropping was a Cardinals Raiders back to back.
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: The Jacobe Myers game was the second.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: Like, we don't even want to go to overtime. Webe
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: it's time, So maybe it's a disadvantage.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: Who knows, how can we end this now? I don't
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: even want to get on that plane.
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: I feel comfortable making that joke now because the players
• 46:50
  Speaker 8: joke about it.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: The Jacksonville thing too, is that can go different ways.
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, you know, both teams are one and five.
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: But you know, we just talked for you know, you know,
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: fifty minutes about how excited we are just bite being
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: one and five. It's not like that in Jacksonville, right,
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: It's totally the opposite. They were supposed to be good
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: or at least competitive, and they haven't been. And I
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: don't know if you watch much, you know, if you
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: check out Red Zone Paul in the pregame show, there
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: was just an immense lack of effort on Jacksonville's part
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: defensively in the second half of the game. I thought
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: they they came to play. I thought that they were
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: the better team for the better part of the first half.
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: They dropped a couple of touchdown passes. Gabe Davis had
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: a really bad drop touchdown. They ended up having to
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: settle for a field goal, then moving the ball, and
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: then they started dropping the ball a little bit. And
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, the Bears looked like, you know,
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: a Super Bowl caliber team. And that wasn't just because
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: Chicago started playing well. They had to get some help.
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: I'm excited about this matchup for Drake Bay. I'm not
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: gonna lie this. This Jaguars defense is not.
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: Not good at thirty second in the league past defense.
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, thirty second in the league in DVA, thirty first
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: in points allowed. They give up a lot of yards
• 48:06
  Speaker 8: to scramble, you know, mobile quarterbacks too. On the ground,
• 48:10
  Speaker 8: Caleb had a couple of big runs in the game
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: on Sunday.
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: They they've struggled a lot on defense.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: So the Rookie of the Year push starts next week.
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: I wouldn't go that far, but he should have a
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: good game like this should he should not be The.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: Question is terrors acl tomorrow, would he still be the
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: rookie of the year.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: It's uh, it's I mean, in a little in some ways,
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: it's kind of a cautionary tale to me because I
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: really like Trayvon Walker coming out. I mean when I
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: first started the process, he wasn't the first overall pick,
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: and then he was. I know, Tyson Campbell hasn't played,
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: but yeah, you know, everybody here love Devin Lloyd. You know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: there are so many people and Patriots banging for Devin Lloyd.
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: Anton Harrison was another guy that everybody looked at as
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: a tackle that was like, you know, so they kind
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: of have a lot of like Brian Thomas, who I've
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: been like blown away by.
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: Watching him, Like Josh Allen, he's been quiet.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, but they have like yeah, thank you. But
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: you look at like the pieces and when you know
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: you're looking at the Patriots like next offseason, the pieces
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: you want to check. And I feel like the Jaguars
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: have a lot of those players at least initially that
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: you would have thought would to check those bucks. But
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: it's not equal.
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: As how their offensive line has been. And I know
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: that that can be a huge you know, we know
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: what's happened here. But you have a quarterback who's at
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: least shown that he can be productive. I mean, I
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: don't know how good Trevor Lawrence is, but he's shown
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: he can be good at times. You have three receivers
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: that you probably feel decent about sure with Kirk Thomas
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: and Gabe Davis and right, you have a good you
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: have a good tight end in Evan Ingram. You have
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: two productive backs in Travis Atn and Tank Bigsby, And
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: yet you can't get more than I think they're averaging
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: nineteen points a game.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: And you got a coach head coaches offensive minded.
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, won a Super Bowl, not a tight pants
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: guy though he's not a guy for sure.
• 49:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but they are offensively, you know, watching the Chicago game,
• 49:59
  Speaker 8: I I don't think Trevor Lawrence is the problem there.
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: Like Trevor I buddy played really well the other day.
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: I watched a lot of that game.
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: I mean, granted I haven't watched every game that he's played,
• 50:08
  Speaker 8: you know, closely, but he he had three touchdown passes
• 50:12
  Speaker 8: on one drive and they dropped off them all.
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 50:14
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know what else you want him
• 50:16
  Speaker 8: to do. They have fourteen drop passes this season, and.
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: They're getting dropped passes by like NFL. It's not like,
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: you know, you got some guy off the practice squad
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: who's filling in Davis. You know, Gabe Davis and Brian
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: Thomas and Christian Kirk should be you know, they shouldn't
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: be dropping fourteen passes combined.
• 50:36
  Speaker 8: I mean, he made the booty throw to Gabe Davis
• 50:39
  Speaker 8: down my right sideline that was like a forty fifty
• 50:42
  Speaker 8: yard bomb right on the money, and Gabe Davis just
• 50:44
  Speaker 8: drops it. Yeah, like he's walking, you know, running into
• 50:47
  Speaker 8: the end zone. He just drops me.
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: They come out in the second half, I think they
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: were down seventeen to three at half something like that.
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: They come out, they get the ball first play, you know,
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: nice seam shot to Evan and Ingram for like twenty
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: five yards. He fumbles, Yeah, like as he's getting tackled.
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: Like they just couldn't get out of their own way.
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: And you know, and I know that Lawrence hasn't been good,
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: like on the balance of the season, Lawrence has been
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: after the last But this game that.
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: He played the other day was really good.
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: And even the stats won't tell you. He was better
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: than the stats. Even the pick. The pick came late,
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: like the game, the game was long decided. He was
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: just you know, and he threw a he threw a pick.
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: But there's there's no reason for them to be that bad.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: If they decide they're gonna just feel sorry for themselves
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: like Trent Brown did in in Vegas a couple of
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: years ago, then the Patriots could really have some fun
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: on Sunday. But if they show up to play, it's
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: not a The one in five record is not commensurate
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: with their talent.
• 51:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah, just really quickly with the Trayvon Walker. This is
• 51:50
  Speaker 8: a cautionary tale to me of having the number one
• 51:53
  Speaker 8: pick with a quarterback. It's a terrible place to be
• 51:56
  Speaker 8: when you have the number one overall pick in a draft,
• 51:58
  Speaker 8: but you have a quarterback. You don't need to take
• 52:01
  Speaker 8: a quarterback with the pick. And it wasn't a quarterback draft.
• 52:04
  Speaker 8: This one might have a couple like Shador and some
• 52:07
  Speaker 8: other guys. But when you get stuck with the number
• 52:10
  Speaker 8: one overall pick and you have Trevor Lawrence and you
• 52:12
  Speaker 8: have Drake May and then there's no quarterback that anybody
• 52:15
  Speaker 8: wants to trade up for, and you get stuck with
• 52:18
  Speaker 8: taking a player who's.
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: Really not worth the number one over trade out of there.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: No, but that's the point nobody will trade with you.
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: The other thing about Walker too, I thought you were
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: going to say a cautionary tale of a guy who
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: kind of the longer the process went, the higher he
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: was regarded, you know. And it's like when I.
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: First started it, I was like, this seems guy in
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: our range and were were like fifteen or something at
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: that point, Like, you know, those to.
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: Me are the cautionary tails, ye, Mike Mamoula.
• 52:43
  Speaker 8: I mean, like Aiden Hutchinson's just sitting right there. Sauce
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: Gardner was in that draft. They passed on both those guys.
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: But if you're the Patriots and you get the number
• 52:51
  Speaker 8: one pick, you want to trade out of that pick. Yeah,
• 52:54
  Speaker 8: that's that's the ideal scenario. So you better hope one
• 52:57
  Speaker 8: of those quarterbacks to, you know, play as well down
• 52:59
  Speaker 8: the stretch.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Wants somebody to emerge. Sam in North Carolina, what's up?
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: Sam?
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: Hey?
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: Sam?
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 53:09
  Speaker 10: Does he say anything that Drake May just continues the
• 53:11
  Speaker 10: christ in the face of adversity, Like he throws the
• 53:14
  Speaker 10: really bad overthrow and then he put down lady. I mean,
• 53:18
  Speaker 10: I feel like the guy looked pretty good. I mean
• 53:21
  Speaker 10: the turnovers and obviously, but for his first start and
• 53:25
  Speaker 10: do what he did, I think he was pretty helse.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, we were all saying I think Evin mentioned
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: and I think May said it himself. They asked him,
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: what did you like the best about that first game?
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: He said, you know, having to deal with adversity and
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: in getting better after it.
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: You know, there are a lot of things to like. Yeah,
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: what we saw toughness, you know, mental, mental and physical toughness,
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: you know, some of some of the athleticism, good stuff. Yeah,
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: he got hit and he got kept getting out.
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: It sounds like the guys in the huddle really, you know,
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: like his demeanor felt you know, some confidence from him,
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: which you know as a rookie, you're just happy to
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: see him out there.
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and just crazy like to have an operation where
• 54:06
  Speaker 8: like they can they can kind of score once they
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: crossed the fifty. Like, when's the last time we could
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: say that about this team? You always talk about Paul's things, like,
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: you know, an NFL play, Like there.
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: Were NFL plays on Sunday all over the.
• 54:19
  Speaker 8: Place, Like you know, Pop Douglas a thirty five yard touchdown,
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: he beats his man, Drake puts it on the money.
• 54:25
  Speaker 8: An NFL play houses it. I was like, when's the
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: last time we've seen.
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: That didn't get caught from behind?
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, bumble or they weren't stopping.
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: But just like if it was all plays like the
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: one that he he bought time and hit Hunter Henry
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: for thirty yards, I wouldn't be anywhere near was excited. Nope,
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: Like those are plays that are going to happen because
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: he's really athletic and he's really good and once in
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: a while you're going to make those plays. But that
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: those are kind of useless if that's what you're relying on. Yeah,
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: but when it's one of you know, in a drive
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: of eight other plays that were normal plays, then that
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: makes you dangerous. Like that those plays become that much better.
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: Ice man, you're dangerous.
• 55:03
  Speaker 8: Even the touchdown to Henry, like he's a wide open receiver.
• 55:06
  Speaker 8: But like when you watch his eyes on that play,
• 55:08
  Speaker 8: it's a wide delay and he doesn't he doesn't go
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: to Henry right away. He sells it. You know, he
• 55:14
  Speaker 8: knows like I'm gonna look right to get the defense
• 55:17
  Speaker 8: so to draw away and then we're gonna come back
• 55:20
  Speaker 8: last second to Henry instead of staring it down like
• 55:23
  Speaker 8: those little things were what you know, all the quarterbacker
• 55:25
  Speaker 8: who has told me that he wasn't doing.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: One thing I thought about with that play. Kind of
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: an interesting place. They had a couple of double teams
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: where you got to make sure those offensive linemen don't
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: get downfield, huh, Like I mean, you're really selling that
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: kind of run action and then he's gonna just pull
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: up and you know, that's an interesting time.
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: Especially the way they're calling everything this year.
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, such as.
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: A flag on every big play.
• 55:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the touchdown to Henry was a it was a
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: like a duo action where they had all the double
• 55:48
  Speaker 8: teams as the first time where I was like, oh,
• 55:50
  Speaker 8: like you run duo. Then you duo played action and
• 55:53
  Speaker 8: it worked like boom.
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: That's how you do it.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: Podcast at Patriots dot com. As the email address, Quentin
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: from Arizona writes in says, I'm a longtime listener, but
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: first time emailer. Thank you. I want to reach out
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: to say how impressed I was with Drake May's performance
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: during the game. Is arm athleticism, ability to drive the
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: ball down the field gives me actual hope for this
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: team moving forward? Given his performance? What other position groups
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: do you think the Patriots should focus on in the
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: upcoming Dwell listen, I mean, well.
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: Can we talk about your defense now, Mike?
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: Oh, geez, Danny, because you know we have to.
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: It's I think quarterback is the only thing that's off.
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: To go back to quarterback.
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: Can we talk about your defense?
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: I I yeah, I'll just ask having one small question.
• 56:38
  Speaker 6: It's kind of like a yes no, and then we
• 56:40
  Speaker 6: can get to the defense. The driving the ball downfield.
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: Obviously we all saw the forty yard play. Did you
• 56:45
  Speaker 6: do you have the numbers like his average average air
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: yards or whatever? Per attempt or how many passes travel
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: beyond say, fifteen yards in the air.
• 56:54
  Speaker 8: I don't have it off the top of my head,
• 56:56
  Speaker 8: but is airyards per attempt were season high for a Patriot.
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 57:01
  Speaker 8: It was also the highest area arper attempt against man coverage.
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: It was the highest passer rating against man coverage against
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: the blitz.
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: For the Patriots. Yeah. Like I was wondering, like now
• 57:13
  Speaker 6: that now that we have an NFL offense or but
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: I was, I was that's true because they really didn't
• 57:20
  Speaker 6: They really weren't all that productive. Yeah, I was just
• 57:23
  Speaker 6: wondering how that stood in comparison, you know to other teams,
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: which I haven't really spent five seconds comparing to. Yeah,
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: you know, to this point.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: I don't want to take the show down with.
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: Got to talk about the defense now.
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: It's uh, you know, and again the injuries, YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: But at a certain point you got to start to
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: play better, and you know, I just I don't know
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: what point, Paul in this summer, like we said, twenty
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: twenty defense like that. You know, that's kind of the
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: vibes you're getting that there's at least a handful of
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: spots where there are just guys there right now, and
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: guys who aren't really progressing or getting better. And you
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: saw with the big explosive run plays. I mean, you know,
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: go back two weeks ago with Jacksonville, they had some
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: you know, big big Spy had what like a sixty
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: five yard I mean, they had some big plays on that's.
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: Been their leading rusher. So and I know that it
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: looks like at N is probably not going to play.
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: That's where the hamp scares. The big plays they just
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: i mean, Girod summed it up. It's it's tackling. It's
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: you know, run fits, missing things that you're i mean
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: one hundred percent they're missing Bentley. But at the same time,
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: it's like, was Bentley that much?
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: It's been every four weeks right, Like I understand, you know,
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: you're scrambling around without a guy who was a good
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: run stopper in the middle, but you haven't been able
• 58:34
  Speaker 6: to fix it. No, Like, why why hasn't it gotten
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: any better?
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: And it's it's and it's not just the individual players,
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: it's it's the team. It's the team defense.
• 58:41
  Speaker 6: You know, this doesn't look quite right and situational and
• 58:44
  Speaker 6: team like, And this is something I got kind of
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: annoyed last week, Mike. I remember sitting next to you
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: when DeMarcus Covington was talking and you know, he's citing
• 58:53
  Speaker 6: the numbers like you know, and I forget exactly what
• 58:56
  Speaker 6: Miami went on third down, and I'm like, yeah, well,
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: the game deciding drive was a fifteen play drive that
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: didn't require any third downs, like they had like one
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: third down conversion on the on the Christianelli's pass on
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: the first doesn't count in third down conversion. That was
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: its bi penalty and that was it, and that was
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: it like the rest of them, Like, you didn't stop anybody,
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: So why are you citing this number that's that's good
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: when you didn't play good defense. And this week it
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: was even more accentuated. Again, I think they were four
• 59:22
  Speaker 6: to eleven on third downs, so it wasn't a horrible
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: performance on third down, but the other team scored forty
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: one points. Like you had a couple of spots that
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: you will put in that were bad spots that you
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: handled okay, Like I think after the pick, they forced
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: a forty yard field goal that the guy missed the chippy,
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: but that was good defense not to allow a touchdown.
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: You know, and I think they had another field goal
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: that was a basically a four and out, like they
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: took over in field goal range and right, they didn't
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: even allow a first down. But there were others that
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: you took over on like the twenty nine yard line
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: and took them two places to score a touchdown, right,
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: you know, like I understand you will put in some
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: bad spots, but you are allowed to stop.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: And I think that's what's like frustrating, is that there
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: are moments where you're like, oh, there it is, you know,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: like they had a couple of those kind of possessions defensively,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: but it's just not consistent.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: And didn't you feel like and I know, like Mike
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: got mad at me this is. This might be the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 6: first time this happened. Mike got mad at me in
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: the middle of the fourth quarter because I was in
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: full this game has been over for a half hour mode,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: and Mike still thought it was competitive. And I I
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: remember I inadvertently this is made a mocking laugh, and
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: I think Mike got mad at me. This is. But
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: it was right after the touchdown that the Patriots scored
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: to make it a thirteen point game, and I believe
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: it took Houston about forty four seconds to go sixty
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: five seventy five yards for a touchdown, and it wasn't
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: really a competitive drive the last fifty four of which
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: obviously would have run. But to me, the big, the
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: more telling play was the third and five that was
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: completed like so effortlessly over the middle. I think it
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: was tanked. Del They can't stop anybody when they need
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: to stop anybody, And that's been a bad, bad trend
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: right now, That's what it is. And that combination so
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: that like the late game situational kind of like you
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: needed a miracle, You're down twenty points in the fourth quarter,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: you need a miracle. Yeah, okay, you can't even get
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: to the point where we're even close to getting the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: miracle because you get up the touchdown that it immediately
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: restores the twenty point advantage, right like let alone like, hey,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: you know what, let's put some game pressure on them
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: here and make them have to get a first down
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: to close this game out.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: But the bigger thing to me is the way they
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 6: start these games. The other team gets the ball and
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: goes right down the field. Then they get it again
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: and go right down the field again, like you can't
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: be down fourteen to nothing in these games and expect
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: to win, especially against good teams.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: And they were, and they were close to getting a
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: you know, to getting a stop there a couple of times.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: I mean they had some third downs in the penalty
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: field goals stop stock which you know, but I again,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: like that's another thing where I'm like that might happen.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: First drive a game, the team comes out with a
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: good plan, they go right down the field we saw
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: with the old Patriots defense a million. Then they get
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: a stop. It's three nothing. Okay, this is what they
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: were doing. Let's adjust the next drive though, then it's
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: three and out or then it's you know, a punt.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: But but I can get mad at you at that point.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: The only one I got mad at you at was
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: on the map PHO Marcus Jones interception. And I don't
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: even know if I should have gotten mad at you
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: in that one, because I think you were trying to
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: make another point because the other one was the first
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: interference was was the yeah, the second one I said
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: it to Fred.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 6: Live but Fred, actually Fred's been having a really like
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: uncanny like fit, like Live being obnoxious. No, but fred
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: Live goes no, no, no, it's mapoo underneath like Live
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: because I was like houses on map And then I
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 6: watched the replay. I kind of thought that was a
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: ticky tack call. I thought there was more contact in
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 6: the end zone on the play that ended up getting picked.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: I didn't really think either one of them was interference.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: And that's and that's why I wasn't right to.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 6: Get But if you if you were going to call one,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: I would have called the one in the end zone
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 6: like that's where I draped on his chest with his
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 6: arms on top of him before.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 7: The I thought, I thought good timing as well.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: I do too. I wouldn't have called it. I said
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: that live, I wouldn't have called I wouldn't have called
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: either one of them. But they did call one of them.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 8: I think defensively, so right, defensively, they're twenty ninth in
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 8: the league in DVA, they are a bottom five defense
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 8: in the league. And I just can't get to it
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: the point where, yeah, they have injuries, they're missing guys,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: but to go from top ten to twenty ninth in
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 8: the league like overnight, like I just that's the I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 8: can't get there that it's all the injuries, Like it's
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 8: big injuries, you know, Barmore, Bentley, you Jabriel Peppers's situation,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 8: like those there big players in this defense. But you
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 8: don't bottom out, like you don't lose those guys, and then.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 6: That's not the difference between having a really good defense
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: and the worst defense in the league.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and even on like the big touchdown round, like
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: Dugger misses the tackle terribly, you know, like and it's
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: like your big like those other guys are hurt, you
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: need Kyle Dugger, the newly named captain, to make that
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: tackle as a safety is well, you know what he's
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: supposed to do. And those are the things that's.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 6: Just keep me.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 8: The last touchdown like didn't bother me quite as much
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 8: as I was kind of with Paul like other than
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 8: Drake Baygoore. But they but the the first big run
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 8: the fifty nine yard or like I just even from
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 8: an alignment perspective, I don't know how how they were
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 8: expecting to stop that, Like they they were tilted to
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: the weak side of the formation and they had the
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 8: Texans just had the numbers.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: Like it was it's just simple stuff, you know.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 8: They they bring a blitz off the ball and I
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 8: don't want to sign blame because I don't know, but
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 8: they leave Joe Mixon uncovered in the flat, so like
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 8: the blitz gets home, but there's nobody covering Joe Mixon.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 8: So it's a twenty yard play. They got beat again
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 8: on the same post cross concept for a twenty six
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 8: yard explosive by Stefan Diggs that San Francisco killed them
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: with two weeks ago.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 7: So it's repeat plays.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 8: It's like the same things over and over again, and
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 8: they they've completely cratered. So like, how do you not
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 8: point to the coaching Like it's hard for me not to.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I did you know my memory was was
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 6: right on this one, because you know, it's like we're
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: going back. So you're within thirteen. There's nine minutes left,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: thing and the game is over for all intents and purposes.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: But you're thinking to yourself and I know, like this
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: is where I thought you were.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: Upset again to score make a stop, but like.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: Touchdown to get within thirteen. Now make a stop and say, Okay,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying I'm just saying. Right the first play,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: they dial up a beautiful little screen tight end screen
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: to Dalton Schultz and Evan immediately points ud. He goes
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 6: that play should have been a touchdown. I don't know
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: how that And you watch the replay the ball literally
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: hit Shultz in the face mask. I don't know how
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: we didn't catch it. So you get that break to
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 6: make it second and ten, and you're how many plays
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: they needed to go seventy yards after that?
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  Speaker 5: Tell me not a lot three? Oh, that's not good.
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  Speaker 6: They ran the ball for five yards, they threw the
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  Speaker 6: ball for eleven yards, and then they ran it for
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: fifty four yards in a touchdown. Like, even after the
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  Speaker 3: All right, good morning?
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  Speaker 13: You know said this last night, obviously disappointed in our
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  Speaker 13: performance overall. You know, we just got to play better.
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  Speaker 13: We got to coach better. We you know, we got
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  Speaker 13: to win a turnover battle. We gotta do a better
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 13: job with penalties. Early in the game, had a lot
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 13: of penalties that just you know, nothing good comes from that.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 13: I would say, sit in the second half, it kind
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 13: of settled down as far as the penalties were concerned,
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  Speaker 13: but we just can't play that way defensively, I would
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 13: say it just big plays. Big plays killed us. You know,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 13: they had two runs that you know, we're over fifty yards.
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  Speaker 13: You take those away and it looks a lot better.
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  Speaker 13: But at the same time, like that's what the NFL is.
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  Speaker 13: You got to limit those big plays and then offensively
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 13: we have to make big plays. I thought yesterday overall,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 13: Drake did a good job with his reads and getting
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 13: the ball out.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: Was it perfect?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 14: No?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 13: Will he get better, absolutely, but we got to do
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 13: a better job, you know, supporting you know, a rookie quarterback. Yesterday,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 13: the run game, something that we've been good at for
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 13: the majority of the year, was not existent, and we
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 13: just got to get back to the basics and.
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  Speaker 15: What that will open up for questions. We'll start with
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  Speaker 15: Christopher Gasper, followed by Doug Kaylee, Chris christ.
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  Speaker 3: Christopher Price is here.
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  Speaker 16: No, I don't know if Christopher Gasper's here.
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  Speaker 2: Oh geez, I'm sorry, that's my fault. Chris Price. Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: thank you, Stacy.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 16: Girod. Specific to Drake's performance, I'm curious to get your
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 16: opinion on what you might have seen from him after
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  Speaker 16: rewatching the game, what you might not necessarily been cognizant
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  Speaker 16: of or aware of in the immediate aftermath of Sunday's contest.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, we knew he could make plays with his legs.
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  Speaker 13: We knew he had a good arm and can really
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  Speaker 13: push the ball down the field. I would say the
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  Speaker 13: thing that was a pleasant surprise. He did take some
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 13: shots yesterday. I think there were one or two where
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 13: he got up a little bit slow, But just his
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  Speaker 13: overall toughness I think was on display yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning.
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  Speaker 17: Draw questions for you, what made Ben Brown the right
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 17: guy to start at center in that game yesterday?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: And then also, how do you feel.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: Like he performed? Look, this is one of those things
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: I've never seen it before.
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  Speaker 13: God being able to come in here, you know, after
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  Speaker 13: four or five days and become a starting center.
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  Speaker 3: So he did a great job.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 13: I would I would say he probably was our best
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  Speaker 13: lineman yesterday, and he did a good job for us.
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  Speaker 13: He did a good job all through the week during practice.
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  Speaker 3: Uh. And then went out there and.
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  Speaker 2: Performed for the work and I love quick one.
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  Speaker 17: On Joe Cardona, I think he was listening with a
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 17: calf injury on the injury report, but then I think
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 17: that was updated to a personal reason. Just want to
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 17: get some clarification on why Cardona missed the game.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I don't want to talk about the exact incident.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: He had a family matter that he needed to attend
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: to and we allowed that to happen. Thank you.
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  Speaker 15: Next question, Mike Greese, and over the second guys, there's
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 15: some background noise. I'm gonna viewe all lines and then
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 15: we'll come back on you. Okay, we'll try that again.
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  Speaker 18: Mike Greece, you mentioned the two runs over fifty yards
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 18: when you went back to watch them on the tape.
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  Speaker 19: What did you see that contributed to allowing those runs?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 13: Poor run fits, poor tackling, and then we couldn't catch them.
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  Speaker 18: And in the game situation question that worked out for
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 18: you at the end of the second quarter on the
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 18: illegal shift penalty, when you I think you didn't decline
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 18: it to make it third and ten.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: No, we declined.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 13: We declined it because it was a seven yard We
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 13: thought those two yards would be beneficial if we had
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 13: to kick.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 20: The ball, gotcha. I just wanted to follow up on
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 20: that and they end up missing the field, right, Yes,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 20: got it? Okay, thank you, Mark Daniels.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Steel Adrian, good morning.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 21: But some shuffling going on with your receiver depth chart
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 21: of late I mean type one third and healthy scratch
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 21: kJ Osbourne didn't play any snaps and obviously Khon Boody
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 21: played the most apps.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: I just wonder if you could sort of, you.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 21: Know, tell us, you know, what's going on to some
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 21: of the shuffling and changes over the first six weeks
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 21: off with your receiver group.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could put it on. It's the same thing
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: that we're going through with the offensive line.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 13: I think you know, when I look at the film,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 13: it's Booty, it's Pop, it's Osbourne, and we need the
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 13: rest of those guys to step up and make plus
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 13: Thank you, Thank you, and Steel.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Mor and Girod.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: Sorry sorry that I'm met Born. That's a Born. Sorry
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  Speaker 3: you said Osborne. I met I'm at Bourne. Sorry about that.
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  Speaker 2: Just to clear it up. Everyone else to step up, Yeah, gotcha.
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  Speaker 14: Talking to Pop Douglas in the locker room yesterday, kind
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 14: of to the point about the receivers. Pop mentioned that
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 14: he understands that the offense is young and that they
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 14: all need to.
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  Speaker 2: Grow together, so to speak.
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  Speaker 14: Is that something that you the coaching state are cognizant of.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 14: And what's it like to just hear from a player
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 14: taking kind of accountability looking around the room and you know,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 14: taking those steps together as a group.
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  Speaker 3: Have you seen have you seen that before?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe in your career.
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  Speaker 13: Look, you want to go out there and be able
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  Speaker 13: to play, you know with a certain set of guys
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 13: for the season. Obviously, through injuries and things like that,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 13: stuff pops up. That's why I always preach to you know,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 13: some of the backup players to prepare us if you're
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 13: the starter. But I understand, you know, whether we're talking
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 13: about receivers or linebackers, whatever, you know, you want to
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 13: have that level of being comfortable with the guys out
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 13: there with you. And you know, we gotta we got
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 13: to study the ship at some point in time, whether
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 13: we're talking about the offensive line or the receivers, but
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 13: we definitely need to settle the ship.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: And you know, having Drake out there, but you can
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: throw them in the same bucket.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 13: You know, he needs to get on the same page
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 13: as the receivers, the tight ends, and the backs, and
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 13: that comes to just playing, uh, playing alongside each other.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Next question, Doug Kye, do you.
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  Speaker 17: Have any update on the severity of Viderian Lowe's injury?
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: Talking about the offensive one.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: He's supposed to get an MRIH this morning.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 17: So, how do you feel like obviously Zach Thomas hasn't
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 17: played a lot of tackle for you guys, I think
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 17: we've seen the garden practice. How do you feel like
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 17: he was able to go in there and perform?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 13: You know, I would say there were some ups and
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 13: some downs. Once again, just like you said, he hasn't
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 13: done it a lot for us, uh, but just being
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 13: ready on the sideline and hopping in there against two
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 13: good defensive vents. Yeah, I think he did okay.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks Sophie Rolling for all.
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  Speaker 22: By mis Hi Jerrod, I wanted to ask you were
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 22: very critical of the defense last night, Now that you've
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 22: had some time, was specifically was kind of the biggest
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 22: issue last night?
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  Speaker 13: Did you see one thing else say, is you know
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 13: the turnovers in the field position.
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  Speaker 3: They were put in some tough situations.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 13: I would say our red aread defense was poor and
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 13: then really just a big place.
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  Speaker 3: After that.
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  Speaker 2: Two final questions, Blanke reas into Quota Raine.
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  Speaker 19: They give you opportunity to return quite a few picks, Gerada,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 19: I wanted to get your thoughts on what you I
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  Speaker 19: don't know if you get the chance to watch a
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  Speaker 19: special teams tape, but how did you feel like you
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 19: guys handled that and was that something that was a surprise.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 13: That I always watch all the film offensive defense and
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 13: special teams, and I would say, that's just Houston saying, look,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 13: we're tougher than you guys. That's that's the that's the
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 13: reality of the situation. If they kick it like that,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 13: they're saying, all right, you're not going to get past it.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 13: You're not going to get past the thirty yard line.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 13: And we just didn't show up in that in that
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 13: phase of the game.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: The last question to Quotterine a draught, just wondering what
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: you've seen from Jalen Polk early this season and maybe
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: was contributed to some of the struggles he's had early on.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 13: I think he just, you know, he needs to get
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 13: over this mental hump. You know, you gotta you gotta
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 13: eliminate the drop passes. You got to be better blocking,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 13: which he did a great job in college at that
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 13: and at times throughout the season.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: He just has to continue to grow.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 13: He has to work harder, he has to pay more
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 13: attention to the details, and we fully expected him to
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 13: grow into a receiver that's dependable on run and pass nowns.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: I think it makes sense.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 6: And now great moments in.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: History, the media in Green Bay and how they treat
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: you in Green Bay versus in New York and chose
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 5: in New York.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, And what's which is another reason why
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure to work.
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  Speaker 23: Yeah, the first slip up, they'll be all over and
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 23: they'll cover the daily with a little scotch and and relax.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 23: They'll be like, you don't tell me when to realize.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 23: I'll relax when you get them in the playoffs. How
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 23: does that sound?
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: You know that's the kind of adversarial relationship there can be.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 6: Remember your boy the urine stream. Yeah, business of the business.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: He broken up journalistic rules to be out of the business. Yeah,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 6: the Jets broke them.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 8: I don't know, I know it's I know it could
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 8: easily go the other way and they could be in
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 8: the Super Bowl next year. Nobody would be that shocked,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 8: But I just it's not I feel like it's being
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 8: like they are a top ten team in power rankings
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 8: and all this stuff, and it's it's being talked about
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 8: like it's like guaranteed that that's gonna work.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: Think about like Brice Hall being back, you know, like.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that doesn't move the needle from me.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: Well who's who's Who's?
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 7: But I agree, I agree with what you're saying. I'm
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 7: just saying, I don't.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: Who would you pick them in Miami? Just take Patriots
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 5: out of the take Patriots and Bills out of the situation.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 6: Who do you think is the better team between the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 6: Jets of Aaron Rodgers and Jets Jets? I think Miami
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 6: what I think based on what their talent and the Jets. Now,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 6: now if you're asking me who I'm going to invest in,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 6: I think the there's a better chance that Aaron Rodgers
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: plays seventeen games than two. Yeah, that's a big one, right,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 6: But if I think at full strength, I think Miami's better. Yeah,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 6: that that's okay. You don't have to agree. He's like
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 6: he's disgusted that you see that, he like turned the
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: other way, like this guy.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: That's another great moment.
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• 1:19:22
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• 1:19:25
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• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: Can I just say that I predicted Aaron Rodgers would
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: play seventeen games and he plays.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 7: That was last year, right, four snaps?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: He played four snaps.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: Let's get it, let's get Jeffrey in Canada writes it.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: He says, I'll plug my nose and ignore the coaching
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: and defense. This week May was fun to watch. We've
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: learned that no socks is Larry David. He's never happy.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: I've known Paul's role on the show and respect his
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: voice of reason, but it's been five years of awful.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: Let us just have one week.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 6: I'll add that's where I was, that's where I am.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: I'll admit that Drake had some rookie plays and mistakes,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: but let's review the turnovers. Interceptions belong to the quarterback,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: no matter what the fumble he had less than two
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: and a half seconds after the tackle. Seventy five got
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: beat instantly at the snap and the defensive end is
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: hitting him as he starts his throw. I'm told that
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: that's May's fault. That's not true. Many quarterbacks young and old,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: fumble on those types of plays every week in the NFL.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: If it's Rogers or Mahomes, that's the O line's fault.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: And I'm also on the quarterback is strong.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, that's I say, fifty to fifty.
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  Speaker 4: I'm also impressed that May can basically recite every play
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: in the game at the press conference.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I if that was impressive, then I should have
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 6: a statue.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 7: I don't necessarily discount that, though. Who are we talking?
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 8: I think it might have been TC McCartney, the quarterbacks coach,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 8: said that in the preseason, May would come off the
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 8: field and they would ask him, you know what, what
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 8: did you see out there? And he would recite exactly
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 8: verbat him what happened on the field, and you know,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 8: McCartney pointed.
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  Speaker 7: Out that that's that's good.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 6: You know, that's what you want.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 7: You know, if he comes to the sideline and he's like,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 7: I have no idea what they're.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 6: Doing, it separated Brady.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: Like Bill used to ask Brady what the coverage was,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 6: what he saw, and then they would watch the film
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 6: and more often than not, Brady had it exactly right,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 6: Like right away, and that was one of the things
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 6: that really impressed Belichick about Brady. Absolutely, and stripsacks are
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 6: partly on the quarterback. To say it's one hundred percent
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 6: on the quarterback unless it's like one of these with
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 6: the guys running like this with the ball and just
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 6: knocks it out. If you're in the act of throwing
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 6: and you get blindsided and the ball gets hit and
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 6: comes out. Now, partly that's on the quarterback because you
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 6: have to be more aware of the pocket. But to
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 6: put it one hundred percent on the passer when you're
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 6: getting hit as you throw is not that's not fair.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 7: I'd say fifty to fifty.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 8: I thought that was one of those double clutch situations
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 8: that we saw in training camp where he had the
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 8: hitch on the outside to booty for as like a
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 8: quick throw to get the ball out quickly, any kind
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 8: of double clutched it.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 6: I remember that now, yeah, the training camp, double yeah,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 6: I remember.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 8: He just wasn't one hundred and double clutched a little
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 8: bit in that extra split second. Is that, you know,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 8: obviously ends up being the difference on the strip sack.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 8: The tipped on interception is unlucky.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: I don't put that on it.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 6: It's unlucky that it's intercepted. It can't get tipped like Fred.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 7: Well, the cup blocks got to be better correct.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that was total system breakdown. But it turns out
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: to be a turnover for an unbelievable play by their guy. Yeah,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: like that's a great catch around the back of player
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 6: and I.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 8: Just thought it was the cup block wasn't there? It
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 8: gets tipped up. I can't tell you how many times
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 8: I've seen that, like just but.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: I blame the quarterback on those. You got to look
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: for your passing lanes. You got to be aware that
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: there's a guy coming at you and you just can't
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: row it through him, you know, I don't.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: Know, it's tough, tough. The fact that it's a turnover
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: is not on May. But that was just an unbelievable play.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: But was it recently? I don't know if it was
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: zappy or like in an order ordinate amount of tip
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: balls at the line and that the quarterback has to
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: take responsibility for those. I don't know if it was
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: Mac Jones.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 6: This wasn't necessarily a tip at the line, though I.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 8: Would I would agree if it was like a traditional
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 8: drop back and he got it batted down at the
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 8: line of scrimmage. But the left tackle is supposed to
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 8: execute that cup block and it's a screen out to
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 8: the perimeter, so he's just catching and throwing in that situation.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 8: So if you could execute the cup block, then Will
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 8: Anderson's on the ground instead of in the passing land.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: And sometimes it's just the other guy makes a really
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 6: good play. I think Will Anderson made a really good
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: play on that.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: Okay, And there was one earlier, so none of them
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: were May's fault.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: I wanted to and.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 6: Again, but I didn't. I'm not a completely absolving May
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 6: on that play. I just would say the fact that
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 6: it turns out to be a turnover isn't necessarily Yeah,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 6: but I would say sometimes, like Evan's point, when you
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 6: make those quick screens like the the job is supposed
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 6: to be catch the snap and throw it. You're not
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 6: reading anything right. The job is to get the ball
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 6: into the intended receiver's hands as quickly as possible. Daniel
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 6: Jones threw one of those in the very first week
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: of the season. Yes, Mike, I'm going to do this,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 6: and who picked it off, Andrew Van Ginkle. Yeah, Okay,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: sometimes you have to credit the other team's player for
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 6: making an incredible play, and everybody looks at that because
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: it was Daniel Jones, who stinks. Oh he stinks, you
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 6: know it's it's did you see the pick that Andrew
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 6: Jones that Daniel Jones threw? Like no, this was like,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 6: you're supposed to just catch it and throw it. It's
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 6: the the blocker's job to make sure that Will Anderson's
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 6: not in the passing lane.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: Zach Thomas was probably.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was Zach Thomas, who look, I don't hold
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 8: it against Zach Thomas. He's like the fifth string left tackle.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 8: It's thrown into the middle of the game.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 7: But but they did.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 6: They could just get like little continuity, Evan, I heard
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: this before.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: So they did for what it's worked.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 8: They did allow a season low thirty three percent pressure
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 8: rate in this game. That's what I had them at
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 8: season low. I not to do my own hoard, but
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 8: when you have a quarterback that can make some plays
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 8: back there, all of a sudden, the pressure doesn't look
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 8: like I think it's more.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 6: About your other thing. You talked about the way Houston
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 6: played them.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 8: But Houston brought some pressure in this game and they
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 8: did a decent job, like they didn't allow any free
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 8: runners for the A and B gaps like we've seen
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 8: in the past that they were inside out pretty much
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 8: the entire game. They got beat one on one by
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 8: Anderson and Hunter, two good players, you know, So they
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 8: got beatn.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: Well, it's the Jaguars. I guess they have one good
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: edge rusher on the team. But do you think we'll
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: see noticeable improvement on the offensive line this week?
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: No, I don't know who's going to be playing.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 6: I don't know how you can anticipate that until you
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: see it.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 8: They are thirtieth in the league and pressure right like
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 8: they're not. They don't pressure the quarterback very much.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: So those two guys on the end are the only
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: two and they don't have a lot of sad Yeah.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 8: And they don't blitz very much, sure and Josh, So
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 8: it's a good matchup in that case.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: Personally, I don't care about mistake free, clean decision making
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: this year. I just want to see as many examples
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: of Drake May's ceiling as we can. I don't care
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: how safe he can play. If he can't make plays,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: all playing smart will do is delay finding out if
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: he translates to the NFL. I agree he was.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 7: I don't he let it rip out there, that's for sure.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 8: Like that was not like a kid gloves, you know,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 8: training wheels performance where he's not throwing the ball into
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 8: tight windows or down the field or anything like that.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 19: You know, he was.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 7: He was playing.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 14: No.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: I totally agree with that, But I don't want him
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 6: just going recklessly trying to see how many plays he can.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: Make the word reckless of course not.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 6: Well, he's just saying let it rip, let you know,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: make let him make all the plays. I don't care
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: about playing it safe. No, there's times that's part of
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 6: playing a position. That's what you need to know about that.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: I don't want to have a conservative game plan where
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: it's oh no, I like that, But that's not the
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: same thing. Well that's what I think he's talking about.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 6: Okay, maybe maybe you're right.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, uh spiing Fresno.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 6: I won't boll it down with a Fred Paul argument.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: Those those first two scoring drives with Diggs and Dell
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: were like a litmus test showing the talent deficit. If
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: the season was over today, whose seat is hottest, Wolf
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: Van Pelt or Covington to me, it's Wolf injuries, et cetera.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: Side the roster is unacceptable. Yeah, but he had like
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: one off season.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 6: If he if can we operate under the premise that
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 6: probably none of those people is really dealing with a
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 6: hot seat.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't understand all that question.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: I don't think they are.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 6: If you, if you were gonna if you're going to
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 6: say that, I would say in order, Wolf, Covington, Van Pelt,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 6: like in terms of who's who would be in trouble first,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 6: like the roster, the defense to me is far more
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: disappointing than the offense. That's how I would rank him.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 6: I don't think any of those three deserve to or
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 6: is on the hot seat.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm right in the mail bag this week and
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 8: I was getting the questions ready today. There's so many
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 8: questions about those those guys being on hot seats, and
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 8: I'm like, guys, it's it's year one, like it's really.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 6: The six like and for them it's year one of
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 6: a rebuild.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 21: Though.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you're gonna blame Elliott Wolf because he didn't plug
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 8: every single hole on a roster that was decimated when
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 8: he took it over. Like, let's not forget that they
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 8: won four games last year and we're the third overall
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 8: pick in the league. Like you can't can't fill everything
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 8: in one offseason.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I mean, the one criticism I think
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: is fair is just not identifying someone decent at tackle.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: Agreed the person he identified was not good.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think that's absolutely worthy of a second guest.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 6: Like they didn't do anything really to adjust the offensive.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: Anything, like there was always so much he could do overall,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: you know, and you know, re signing the guys they had,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: you know, it wasn't a bad decision because you need
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: some stabildy you know, you can't and you didn't want
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: a whole bunch of guys on the team going in
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: disgruntled or whatever. You know, you had the money. It's
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: not like it hurt them to do anything else. They
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: were willing to spend on Ayuk. He just didn't want
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: to come here, period, Like they were going to give
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: him more money than anyone. He just didn't want to
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: come here. You probably dodged a bullet with.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: Ridley.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, again they were based on the way
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 6: Drake maylook the other day. I wouldn't seeing, you know.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: But again, they were willing to spend that happy, not
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: like they didn't want to spend money.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: It's also tough blows with a core forum Leverett who
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: got cut. We haven't talked about that either. You know
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: two other well was the guy that they offensive Lineman that.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 6: I don't think that a corps for is a tough break.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: No it's not.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying no, I'm not that wasn't saying. I'm saying,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: those are those are bad moves. Those are yeah, yeah,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: those are Those are guys that I'm with you now,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: veterans that you were kind of hoping could solidify things
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: and allow your rookies to develop and provide some depth.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: One guy just left and the other guy just got caught.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: We don't even really know why when they have i
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: mean necessitating them having to put in a center that
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: you know it.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 6: Never They spent the whole summer lamenting the fact that
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 6: David Andrews was so important because they didn't feel good
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: about the depth at center. And then they had the
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 6: one guy that got the most work is gone after
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 6: a week of playing, and.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 8: He played a week and everyone's a saying like he's
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 8: got like he gave up. You know, all these pressures
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 8: against Miami and he had a bad game.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 6: Why he's gone. Something happened, And and you know.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: If the team was supposed to be a contending team,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: I could see why you're getting rid of Judon. But
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: they weren't.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 6: They knew that.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, they're realistic.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 6: They have no problem with that.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: You know, you got a third round pick. The guy
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: wasn't gonna be happy. You're not going to pay him.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: He's thirty two or whatever. You know, like it was
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: probably a good move for a team that wasn't going to.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: I love it right now because, yeah, no difference. I
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: mean I don't think he would make a single bit
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: of I don't.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: Think the offseason was the disaster for Elliott Wolf.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 6: That's some people think, oh yeah, I'm a little different
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 6: on that. But the Judaon move might have been his
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: best move. Yeah.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 8: I just look at tackle and the second guesses to me,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 8: there are could you have taken a flyer on like
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 8: McKai Becton. It's like the name that I that comes
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 8: to the top of mind for me, Tyron Smith, because yeah,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 8: Tyrone Smith I don't think was necessarily coming here. But
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 8: like McKai Beckton is a former first rounder, has a
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 8: pedigree all the trades, so like you can still sign
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 8: chookes the corps for as like the veteran, But like
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 8: what if you have McKai Becton in here in training camp,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 8: Like maybe he was the eleventh overall pick in the
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 8: draft a couple of years ago for a reason, like
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 8: maybe you get something out of him. And then obviously
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 8: they they missed a tackle run on Day two, so
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 8: none of those guys are playing lights out and their
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 8: their teams. You know that were drafted ahead of Caden Wallace.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 8: But there were four tackles drafted ahead of Caden Wallace
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 8: and you took the fifth tackle, you know, so that
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 8: that's a fair second guest as well.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just thought there were avenues that they could
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 6: have tried, and and I've heard that the Tyron Smith
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 6: won a lot, like he wouldn't have come here, like
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 6: at least with Ayuk. I have some reporting that indicates
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 6: they offered him X and that was more than anybody else,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 6: and he didn't want to even talk to them, right,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 6: I haven't really Like everybody just says Tyron Smith wouldn't
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 6: come here. Did they ask him?
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 6: Did they talk to him because I never saw any
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 6: reports that they even looked into it.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 7: Jonah Williams too, I haven't heard that there.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 6: John Williams either. I don't know if you know this,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 6: but he got hurt in Arizona, which means that that
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 6: was a good move that you that you didn't sign them,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 6: which I have no idea why those two things.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: Corarel people do that though he would have got hurt
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: here too, How do I know now?
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 6: Listen, based on the way this year is gone for
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 6: the offensive line, yeah, he probably would have. Everybody else
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 6: is getting hurt. But like, there were avenues to take
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: and they chose not to take any of them. They
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 6: could have tried to get up into the end of
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 6: the first round for a tacking they didn't do it.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 6: Evan just talked about the run on tackles that went
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 6: between when they picked in the second round in Wallace,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 6: they didn't do any of those guys. I mean, Washington
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 6: picked up a guy that was kind of just there
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 6: and they but he played left tackle in college. I
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 6: don't know if he's any good, but they're doing alrighty yeah, yeah,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 6: because at least he played left tackle. Now, maybe I
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 6: just don't understand why they decided we're not going to
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: address it at all. We're good with what we got.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: We're just gonna assume that one of these right tackles
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: is can be able to do well.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 8: That's why I threw Becton out there, because like, at
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 8: least that's a guy with some pedigree, with some talent
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 8: that's played on the left side. And you know, I
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 8: look at Tyron Smith. I don't have no one has
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 8: had any reporting on that. You're right, But I still feel.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 6: Maybe I'm not telling you that that's I'm not telling
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: you that that's wrong.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 8: I think if they had guaranteed him eighteen million dollars right,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 8: and I'm sure he would have came here, but for.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 6: A year, I would have like, with all that cap
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 6: space that they have still like that wouldn't have been
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 6: a terrible thing to do.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, Tyron Smith, Jonah Williams, and Germaine Iluminor
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 8: are like the three veteran tackles that are you know,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 8: Williams is her, but those two other guys are playing
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 8: for their new teams.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 7: But our ILLUMINOI is really a right tackle slash guard.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 7: He's kind of like an o Winnu.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 8: You can play guard can play right tackle. He's not
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 8: a pure left tackle either. But it wasn't a great
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 8: class in free agency, so you had to attack it
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 8: in the draft, and they just kind of waited like
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 8: they didn't They didn't go out there and really address
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 8: it in no offense, but hindsight, like Jalen Polk hasn't
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 8: been all that great. So now you know, you look
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 8: at that pick too and you say, well, should they
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 8: have gone tackled end receiver?
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 7: So it's just that was the big second guest.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: Let's see who's this.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 6: Email one?
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: Who are you Richard?
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: Sin Fans have been complaining about play calling for the
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: past five years, even when McDaniel's was here. In hindsight,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: McDaniel's play calling was far better than what we have
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: had in the last few years. Looking around the league,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: there are plenty of coaches who aren't good at both
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: play calling and scheming, but are good at one or
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: the other. At the end of the season, if AVP
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: turns out to not be good at play calling, think
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: the organization would consider finding someone else to help him.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: I don't think we need a new OC since switching
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: systems during May's development will be bad On a similar note,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: on the defensive side of the play calling and scheming
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: used to be split responsibilities between Mayo and Steve. Is
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: this both being handled by Covington. If so, would splitting
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: the roll up be beneficial to the Patriots defensive performance?
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 8: Well, defensively, Steve was the play caller. Yeah, there was
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 8: no they split in terms of during the week, they
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 8: kind of each took on responsibilities of a defensive coordinator,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 8: but there was only one guy calling plays on Sundays,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 8: and it was Steve.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: I think that was the weird way to do it.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: I like it better. There's a defensive coordinator. He's the
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: one presenting the plan. He's the one calling the plays.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 5: I think it worked pretty well with the way they
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 5: did it before, but it was unconventional and I think
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: hard to reproduce, especially when you don't have Bill, you know,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: Bill Belichick overseeing the whole operation. And really it's him,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: you know, he's the one who's not necessarily calling the defense,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: but he's the one talking to his son all week
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: telling him, you know, in this situation, do this right.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: They develop a shorthand. But I you know, I think
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: a little bit of heat on DeMarcus Covington for sure.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think Evan laid it out well.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: Of so, I'll give you all.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 8: So last year they were number one in the league
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 8: and generating unblocked pressures or free runners to the quarterback.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 8: This year they're twenty sixth in the league. They went
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 8: from first to basically last in that statistic. I mean,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 8: that's losing the Belichicks. To me, spin right, being able
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 8: to spin the dial, being able to attack you know,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 8: pass protection rules and all that kind of stuff. They
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 8: just haven't been able to do that. I'm as concerned
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 8: about the play calling as everybody else on offense, because
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 8: all I care about is how they developed Drake. Like
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 8: if he doesn't go out there and he's not one
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 8: of these tight pants guys that has these awesome play
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 8: calls every single week, but Drake made his fundamentals and
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 8: footwork and decision making and all that continue to be
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 8: on an upward trajectory, then to me, AVP is doing
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 8: his job.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 6: I think there's probably fan bases in thirty two cities
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 6: that don't like the way the game's the play that
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 6: the plays are called. And I'm not telling you it.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 6: They're all the same because they're not. Some guys are
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 6: obviously better at it. But I think when you look
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 6: at schemes in different offenses, there are some that are
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 6: more imaginative and creative and whatnot than others. You know,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 6: Evans boy Shanahan is probably at the top of that list.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: But there's always times where you're like, ah, he can
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 6: run in this second. I was what Houston put forty
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 6: one points on the board. I sat there At times
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 6: I was like, they're like begging the Patriots to stop
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 6: them with some of these calls that are setting up
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 6: third downs with like run run early. You know, like,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: I think that if you looked at it, you're probably
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 6: gonna have a question with play calls in every game
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 6: with every guy.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: John wants to stick up for Poke, says me. Personally,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: I'm happy JP is going through this, had his worst
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: game this Sunday, but now it's all about how you respond.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: I felt the same when everyone was going in on
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 4: Remondrae about his fumbling issues, and I had faith he'd
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: respond well to the adversity, which I think Polk has
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: the kind of character that he can bounce back. Also
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: to Paul about what Poke said to the fans, slash
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: media about staying on that side. It's called having confidence
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: in himself and his teammates, regardless of the bad stretch
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: he's had.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 6: You have to just have that camp.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to have you have to have that
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: swag if you're going to play wide receiver in the NFL.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: Go cry about it on your other show.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 6: Oh it's it's well, he's got it wrong. It's before
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: he ever even stepped on a field, he was telling
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 6: people he didn't want them to root for him. You're
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 6: not with us here again, Like I would just rather
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 6: like I feel like we always harp on like how
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 6: does he handle adversity?
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 8: And I get it because it's all there is gonna
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 8: be adversity. But it'd be cool to just like have
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 8: a receiver that's just good.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: Like his adversity early good.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Like his adversity is like oh man.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 8: Like you know, he had one bad play like where
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 8: he dropped a third down, but he had one hundred
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 8: and fifty yards, Like, you know, I would like that.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 6: Because of what I said, I'm not worried about the
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 6: drops unless it becomes a thing. I haven't seen him drop.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: Wants that thoroughbred like even Edelman great receiver, Patriot's Hall
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: of Famer, but he's not what you would consider that thoroughbred.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 6: No, he wasn't. No, you want thoroughbred to make him great.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 6: He had Gronk, yes, a Welker had Moss like that's yes.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 6: I think that you need I mean that you need
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 6: them all to be great, to be what the Patriots
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 6: were a dynasty. You need them all. But it's hard.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 6: It's hard to have the best one be sort of
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 6: limited in his skill set. That's what my concern is,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 6: and I just want to state it again. I am
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 6: not giving up on Jalen Polk. I think that he
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 6: showed a lot of physical ability, toughness. I think he's
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 6: a good football player. He's fighting through whatever he's fighting
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 6: through right now. I am not giving up on him
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 6: the way I was just accused of my shows. I
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 6: have heard that on EI yesterday they were really Jones
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 6: and Keith in the midday Yard. I caught a lot
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 6: of they were like really worried about is this guy
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 6: because they both really liked Polk coming out of camp.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 6: They were both really high on him, and now they're like,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 6: you know, do we miss on this guy? Is this
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 6: the latest second round bus that I'm like, it's six games,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 6: what are we doing.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: I know I'm not there yet.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: I just anywhere just not every game has been bad
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: for him.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 5: No, well, I totally, it's just more curiosity, Like its
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 5: Evan laid out. It's just it's weird. Why, like the
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: things that you thought he'd be good at he's not
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: really doing. But he's doing the He is doing the
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: things you didn't know he could do, and it's just
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: a strange situation for me. I haven't given up on him.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 8: But winning down the field on like vertical routes I
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 8: did not have run car like him running by people.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 7: I did not think he was going to be able
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 7: to do. He's showing that he can do that. On tape.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 7: He's is not catching the ball, which is what I
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 7: thought he could do.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: So I am just all he's like, I'm open breaks out.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 6: But I would also I would just say, like with
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 6: regard to the comments from training camp that we're saying,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 6: well that's swag, Like I understand there's there's a level
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 6: of that at that at that position, the confidence for cornerbacks,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 6: wide receivers that comes with it. I think coupling all
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 6: the I didn't get my panties in a bunch when
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 6: he said it during training camp. But I'm now using
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 6: that as part of a couple of other examples where
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 6: he's tweeting about how he was wronged by the officials
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 6: after the fact on consecutive games in San Francisco and
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 6: against Miami. And I would say I would put those
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 6: three things now in the same bucket and say, you're
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 6: concerned about things that aren't important, right, you put your
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 6: focus back on getting better and improving.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: I hope there's somebody telling him that.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 6: So that's my point about the comment, not I don't
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 6: want a guy showing swagger that comes with that position.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 6: To davas wide receivers, you know that's the good ones.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 6: Yes they're a lot like Mike hate Staf but he
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 6: would but he absolutely is you know, would have taken
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 6: him on his team, say five years ago when he's
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 6: catching one hundred and ten a year.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: Jacket and writes in the twenty.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: Because you you, when you went into that thing about Polk,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 5: you were kind of saying, maybe this is one of
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: my crazy things. And as a Jalen Polk fan, like
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: I kind of hear what you're saying.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: I don't. I'm not dismissing that.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 6: In and of itself, him saying, well, you know, it's
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 6: kind of cliche, like you know, I know, no, no,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 6: not a lot of people believe in us, right, Hodney Harrison,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 6: Like that's the in and of itself, that's fine. I'm
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 6: now I'm adding that to the bucket of gesturing to
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 6: the big screen when you're it was clearly out of
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 6: bounds and obviously you don't know the rules and you're
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 6: not even in the huddle getting the next play until
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 6: they all basically had to drag you back over that,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 6: like worry about things that are going to help, not
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 6: not this.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 8: I just didn't expect it to go this way for
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 8: him because the film like he's getting open, so I
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 8: was expecting it to go the other way. Like I
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 8: thought he was gonna have a breakout game here at
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 8: some point, especially once Drake May got in there and
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 8: then he just started getting that.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 6: Could happen with you. I again, adamantly, I am not.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 6: I'm not out on, but I just felt.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 5: Like when it not out out Colon, I felt like
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 5: when it dragged into like the next day, I like,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 5: this guy's trying to gaslate us. I'm like, it wasn't it. Like,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 5: I'm like, am I wrong? Like was he actually about?
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 5: Like what is the rule? Like I started to question everything.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 5: I wondered when it kept going and I was like.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 6: Well, the one in San Francisco was even worse, like
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 6: at least the one in the back of the end zone,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 6: like you can see he gets one foot down and
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 6: the toe is down touchdown before his foot comes down.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 6: The one in San Francisco wasn't really even that close.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: Still shots the next day, and I'm.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 5: Like, I like them. They need him. Get going, Get
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: going kid, get going.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: Jacket and arbor. In twenty twenty fourth draft, the Patriots
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: traded down in the second round with the Chargers. The
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: Chargers then selected Lad McConkie, and a few picks later,
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: the Patriots selected Poke. Did the Patriots make a mistake
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: by trading down and not selecting mccakee.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 6: No, they made a mistake trading down not taking a tackle.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 22: Yeah.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah, if we're gonna second guess that, I would agree,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 8: would I'd be about the tackle the whole lad my
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 8: conky thing, Like.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 7: He's a really good route runner.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 6: I just it's fine.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 8: I don't know, they have a lot of Ladd mcconkey's.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 8: I feel like, and they were trying to get something
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 8: a little bit different. Someone is a little bit more
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 8: physical that could win down the field, and not another
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 8: slot receiver.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 7: They have like sixteen slot receivers, you know.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 6: So I'm not and I would take Lad McConkey. I think,
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 6: you know, Fred Fred was high on him. I think
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 6: he's a good player, but I would rather have had
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 6: a tackle.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: But that's why I've been on a conky.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 5: I know from what was that? Were you just like
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: randomly watching football like three years ago? Mccaky, I'm like,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: that's not a real person. How was anyone named Ladd mcconkeye.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 6: It's the name, who's the who's the linebacker? Steel Chambers Steel.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 8: He also has nineteen catches for two hundred and nineteen
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 8: yards through six games, So it's not exactly like he's
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 8: letting the world on.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 6: Fire, but I think he hurts that with that qualify
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 6: as our leading receiver, right, it would no really, you know,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 6: if we take out the second half on Sunday with
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 6: that qualifier, I.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 7: Mean that's cheating if you take away his best half.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 6: To He also played one less game right.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, you know it's five games.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 5: How are you working? Bie weeks into this already created
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: for the.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 6: League with regard to anything but picks. So we has
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 6: twenty more yards.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 7: In one more game, twenty four.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 6: So I would I would just like you know, Lad McConkey,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 6: I think, like again, I think he's fine. Like, I
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 6: just think when we talked about this a lot heading
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 6: into the draft, we all agreed quarterback had to be won.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 6: We all felt they needed a tackle and a wide
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 6: receiver and you had a better chance of getting a
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 6: wide receiver who can contribute in the third round than
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 6: a tackle who can contribute in the third round. And
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 6: that's not revision is history. We all said that at
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 6: the time.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 8: I just say, it's like a philosophical thing for me
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 8: where I just really do strongly believe that you built
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 8: through the trenches like quarterbacks different. Like when you're at
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 8: the top of the draft and you have a guy's
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 8: talented as Drake May, you have to take the quarterback.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 8: But from that point out, I just I believe in
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 8: that offensive line, defensive line, like that's where the good
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 8: teams now in the league are winning. Like you look
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 8: across the league, out who are the best teams in
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 8: the NFL. They're all the best teams up front. Like,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 8: it's no none of these teams that the Miami's of
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 8: the world or whatever that are these finesse you know,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 8: teams that are built around receivers and things like that.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: The game is.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 8: It's Detroit, it's San Francisco, It's Kansas City, it's Baltimore.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 6: I don't think San Francisco is very good upfront. I
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 6: think they have an exceptional left tackle and that's it.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 8: Well, their offensive line might not be what it used
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 8: to be, but like their defensive line is still great
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 8: and they have a great scheme of how they block things.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I would just say, like if to Evan's point,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 6: like if they just had some veteran guy, like I'm
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 6: gonna say Trent Brown because he was here last year.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 6: I don't want Trent Brown. You guys know what I
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 6: think of Trent Brown. But if they had some some
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 6: Trent Brown like that, you could just say, Okay, so
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 6: if we don't get a tackle in the draft, we
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 6: can always plug in this guy who's in year seven,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 6: year eight. He'll be serviceable. They had literally no person
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: on the roster who ever played the position. Yeah, Like
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 6: that to me is neglect, Like you can't possibly expect
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 6: it to be much better than it's been through the
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 6: six games when you literally didn't have anybody who ever
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 6: played the position before, right, Like.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 8: Is chookxacorp for to Vederian Lowe to like they're all
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 8: the same, they've never played. Yeah, they're all at the
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 8: same kind of level. I mean, if Darien low has
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 8: been the best one that they have, he just can't
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 8: stay healthy.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 6: Like it didn't need to be Trent Williams to use
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 6: Evan's example of San Francisco, who's a Hall of Famer,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 6: it didn't need to be that, but you had nobody.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: Christian wrights it. In my opinion, Evan is way too
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 4: pants off for Drake May to give a proper review
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: of film. It's like Evan, it's like a dad playing
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: nepotism with his son on the football team. A good
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: in between of Greg and Evan would be ida deal.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: Bring Eric back, says he doesn't care either way.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 8: I'm assuming this is Christian in North Carolina who told
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 8: me that Drake May was going to be a bust
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 8: and was terrible.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 21: But just like.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 6: But Greg and Evans saw the same thing with regard
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 6: to the positive place. I mean, I think twelve.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm assuming, and I'm just assuming. Greg.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry, but Drake may scrambled for a fourth down
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 8: late in the game. I counted that as a plus.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 8: He doesn't like when he runs, so my guess is
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 8: that that didn't count as a plus in his grading.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 8: I'm just teasing, but he's a harder, greater than me.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 8: Uh shocker.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 7: But that's just did you guys hear Kurt Warner?
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 6: I did not, Yes, I guess.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: Bellingham says that Kurt Warner was complimentary of Drake's for
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: a start, but called out the play calling and played
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: design as bad. What's your opinion.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we've talked about this a lot.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 6: I would defer to Kurt Warner since I don't.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I mean, my question for Kurt Warner,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: and I'm not pushing back, I just what is he
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: expecting with a rookie? First? I mean, is he just
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: saying overall the scheme continues to be problem and I
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: think there's spacing problems with the receivers that you pointed
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: out to. But you know, I don't know. I just
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: expect with a rookie quarterback that you're gonna kind of
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 5: simplify things a little bit for him in his first start.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 5: But maybe I'm maybe I'm.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 8: I would just say that, like I I hear what
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 8: you're saying. But this has been their offense, even with
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 8: Brissette all season. They are not a very exotic passing game.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 8: They don't motion a whole lot, they don't bunch or
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 8: stack a whole lot. They don't have a lot of
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 8: layered concepts where it's like three different levels of a
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 8: defense and you're kind of reading off defenders. They run
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 8: a ton of spread. They spread the field. They have
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 8: everybody on an island and it's one on one across
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 8: the board and go somebody, go winter route and get
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 8: the ball to that guy. And Kurt's point was just
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 8: that when you have the greatest show on turf and
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 8: you have Tory Holt, and you have Isaac Bruce and
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 8: you have Marshall Fulk and you have all these playmakers,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 8: that you can play like that. But when you have
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 8: the Patriots receivers, it's harder to play like that. But
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 8: I just think the one like pushback that I would
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 8: have on it is more the offensive line because like
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 8: those types of layered route concepts that take time. So
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 8: like if you I think what they're trying to do
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 8: is get the ball out of the quarterback hands, and.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 6: I would just say play calling in play schemes are
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: not necessarily the same thing like design play design. I
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 6: have the architect well, I have seen some examples of
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 6: like the receivers don't the spacing doesn't look We've seen
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 6: that stuff like that.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: Yep, Todd's and Gardner. I think it's up Todd.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 6: I think it's Todd North Carolina.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 14: Right.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 24: Hey, guys, I would just like to make a minor
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 24: request or Tuesdays to have two shows maybe another Catch
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 24: twenty two or something, just to kind of go back
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 24: to the old old school where we had, you know,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 24: six shows a week.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 16: I'd don't rate.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 24: My question is what's just going on now with all
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 24: the people that were doubting, like they were calling for
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 24: a Wolf's job, they were calling for Azp's job.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 25: They're called for that.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 24: Are they just going to change this right away? Are
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 24: they still see that they're like there's still thinking there's
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 24: just nothing wrong with this or nothing going to go
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 24: positive for this team because a lot of.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: The other Billbots, you know, the Billuminati. Yeah, it's hard
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: to say anyway.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 8: I mean, I'm still not convinced that a VP is
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 8: like the offensive coordinator of the future. I've said it
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 8: multiple times. If he develops Drake may properly from a
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 8: just a Drake may standpoint, then he's cool with me.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 8: But I think in a couple of years Drake may
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 8: will probably evolve past the offense that they're running right now.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 7: And the question is, is Alex van Pelt the right guy.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: To cants need to get tighter a hundred percent?
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 8: Like you know you go, I'll give you Greg Roman
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 8: in Baltimore is a great example. You know, they go
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 8: from Greg Roman to Todd Monkin because Todd Monkin was
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 8: a little bit more.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 6: Uh you know modern, you know, had advanced past.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, as the question, I think the answer is yet,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 4: but every one of these type pants guys, except maybe
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: for maybe McVeigh, did they all first have success in
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 4: college calling plays or scheming an offense.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 7: No, at A lot of them came through the NFL.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, but from that tree.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: So it's not necessarily a good thing to say, Oh,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: who is the hot coordinator in college Kingsbury.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 7: Kingsbury was a college.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 6: Kingsbury came from college.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but a lot of those guys.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: In Shanahan went right to the NFL.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, he worked for his dad.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 8: I think the biggest thing with the college is that
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 8: it's just the spacing in the field and the hash
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 8: marks and all that stuff is way different.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 6: And yeah Rogers redline.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the illegal man downfield they don't call that in
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 8: college is closely as they do in the NFL.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 7: It's a different rule. Actually, the NFL is two yards.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 5: I didn't college.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 8: It's deeper, so like r pos in college, like guys
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 8: are like five yards down the field.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 7: Let it go. So it's a little different the college game.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 8: But you know, is are we going to get to
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 8: the point where like Lamar he outgrows alexamand Pelt I
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 8: would say probably yes.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 7: But as long as he develops them right now, then
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 7: it's cool.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: Marks in Connecticut on the tpx houtline, what's up market?
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 25: They guys love the show as always. I just said
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 25: two quick things, why are you going run?
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 5: Run?
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 25: And then everybody knows you're going to pass And the
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 25: only runs that they're running is they're running gap right
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 25: up the gap. They're not doing any creative like wide zone,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 25: you know, just nothing predictable. I would have rather have
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 25: seen them put Drake May right out of the gate
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 25: and shotgun or in the pistol or something, just to
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 25: get the kid comfortable. And then the other thing is
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 25: that I keep harping on it, Caleb Jones. We need
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 25: to get this big guy out there. This offensive line
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 25: is terrible as it is. I don't think that the
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 25: kid can be any more terrible than any of these
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 25: other tackles that are out there.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 6: Why yeah, why don't you think?
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 25: Again, guys, you can't teach side in the guy's long,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 25: long arms.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 6: But if it was just a requirement to be big
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 6: to be good, then there'd be a lot more good
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 6: left tackles. Don't you think.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 25: You don't think he's good though, I mean you guys.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 6: I mean I'm gonna trust the coaches. They've tried like
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 6: five guys there, and he hasn't moved off the practice.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 6: About Wallace, Caleb Jones.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, maybe you'll see him get up.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 6: He's sixty nine. He's a huge human, so everybody thinks
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 6: because he's six nine, he can play. If that was
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 6: the only requirement. I don't think you'd have a dearth
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 6: of left tackles in the league.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: He wouldn't have been available.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 25: Seemed to think that he was going to get elevated
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 25: a while.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 6: Back, Okay, but he didn't. So I mean, is it
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 6: just the coaches being wrong? And as far as like run,
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  Speaker 6: run pass, that's the first drive of the game. The
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  Speaker 6: second drive of the game was pass on the first play,
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  Speaker 6: and then shortly after that he ended up scrambling for
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  Speaker 6: a first time, So like they didn't have the shackles only.
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  Speaker 7: No, they ran outside zone on the second play of
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  Speaker 7: the game.
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  Speaker 6: But how has outside zone been doing for them in
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  Speaker 6: general this year?
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  Speaker 7: They've hit a couple of them.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, I know Antonio Gibson hit one.
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  Speaker 7: Andre hit one two up up the seam. The one
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 7: defend I would I would defense. I would give a AVP.
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  Speaker 7: Who I guess I'm defending today?
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  Speaker 6: Thanks, I am too. I didn't. I didn't places I
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  Speaker 6: didn't expect to find myself that.
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  Speaker 8: The big thing, the big you know, second guest from
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  Speaker 8: the Jets game was that they came out play action,
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  Speaker 8: play action, play action without setting up the run. So
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  Speaker 8: they ran it twice and I think that they were
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  Speaker 8: trying to set up that bootleg action to Kendrick Bourne
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  Speaker 8: that they ended up hitting on the second drive. The
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 8: problem was is that they gained no yards on first
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 8: and second down when they ran the ball. So if
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  Speaker 8: they get it, if they get some positive runs out
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  Speaker 8: of the gate, and then they maybe they're in a
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  Speaker 8: third and three instead of a third and ten, then
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  Speaker 8: first down would have been the bootlegs.
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  Speaker 4: I had no problem first two plays of the game
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  Speaker 4: being run.
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  Speaker 6: Well, thirty seven pass attempts to twenty one run attempts.
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  Speaker 4: Ye, well they were behind.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 6: No, I understand that, but like, yeah, you can't say
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  Speaker 6: that they ran too much when it's almost two to one.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 6: Pass the guy's first career start.
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  Speaker 8: So they scripted the plays right, The first fifteen are scripted.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 8: So the script was run, run third down, let's hope
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 8: we get third down, and then play action pass on
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 8: first down.
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  Speaker 6: The first half was sixteen pass attempts to eight runs. Like,
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  Speaker 6: I don't think they ran too much. They couldn't. Now
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 6: you want you want to like criticize because they couldn't
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 6: run at all. Yeah, like thirteen carries for nineteen yards.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 6: Antonio Gibson Like, yeah, that's criticism, and if Mark is right,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 6: it's it's all gap and whatever. Maybe they should have
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 6: tried something different.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 7: I didn't like the second and ten run, like what
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 7: you run it on first and ten.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 8: Second and ten runs are tough because now you're automatically
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 8: thinking you're in third and long, you know, unless you
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 8: really get well.
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  Speaker 6: I think they're probably thinking in terms of we're gonna
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 6: get five or six here and set up third and manageable, right,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 6: you know, that's the best case, Like the Texans did
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 6: on the drive before the Damian Pias fifty four yard
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  Speaker 6: run screen off of Dalton Schultz's face mask, second and ten,
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  Speaker 6: We're gonna run for five and set up third and five. Instead,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 6: the Patriots ran on second and ten and set up third.
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  Speaker 7: And I can't believe we're defending all All.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: Right, that's gonna be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 4: We'll be back tomorrow at noon. We'll be turning the
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: page to the Jacksonville Jaguars big game coming up in
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  Speaker 4: Wembley Stadium in London. It's a great venue, beautiful venue,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: so facade is good or the pete They have a
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 4: lot of pete over there.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 6: It hasn't been great over there, but that is a
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 6: great stadium.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, we will talk to you tomorrow.
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