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Combining US & Israeli Militarily? What is NDAA section 219? an Interview with David Pyne · Goon Tavern

• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: The Defense Authorization Act for Physical Year 2027 includes Section 219, a provision designed to expand defense technology cooperation between the United States and Israel.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: The bill recently passed the House with strong Republican support, and only a small number of Democrats voting in favor.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: But here's the question: why should Americans care?
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: After all, the United States already cooperates with many allies when it comes to military research, defense technology, intelligence, and weapons development, Israel is not the only country we have worked with.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: So why is this particular partnership worth discussing?
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because whenever the United States enters a deep defense relationship with another country, especially one involving advanced military technology, taxpayer-funded research, and long-term cooperation, we should be willing to ask questions.
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  SPEAKER_01: What technology could be shared?
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  SPEAKER_01: Who controls it?
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  SPEAKER_01: What safeguards are in place?
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  SPEAKER_01: Could jointly developed technology eventually be transferred or sold to countries whose interests do not align with America's or nations that are not our allies?
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  SPEAKER_01: These are not anti-Israeli questions, they are national security questions.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: There is a major difference between criticizing the government of Israel, questioning US foreign policy, or examining a piece of legislation and expressing hatred towards Jewish people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those things should not be treated as interchangeable.
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  SPEAKER_01: At the same time, criticism should be fair and consistent.
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  SPEAKER_01: If we are concerned about technology sharing with Israel, we should be willing to ask similar questions about military cooperations with other countries as well.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: But another legitimate question remains.
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  SPEAKER_01: If the United States has the most powerful and technologically advanced military in the world, why does America need to expand defense technology cooperation with Israel?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is this partnership primarily about gaining access to Israeli innovation?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it possible that Israel is looking out for their interests and not ours?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or could it create a deeper level of technological and financial integration Americans have not fully examined?
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  SPEAKER_01: If direct US military assistance to Israel changes or declines in the future, could expanded joint research, development, testing, and production become another way for American taxpayer dollars to support Israeli defense capabilities without appearing as traditional foreign aid?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: Does this mean Section 219 gives Israeli unlimited access to American technology?
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: These are the kind of questions Congress and the American public should examine before expanding a long-term defense partnership with anyone.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: America's sovereignty and national security should never be given or handed over to another sovereign power.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now cooperation with Alies can be beneficial, but cooperation should not mean giving up oversight, losing control of sensitive technology, or creating commitments that may be later unclear.
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  SPEAKER_01: Supporting Israel does not require blind agreement with every policy, and criticizing a specific US-Israeli agreement does not automatically make someone anti-Semitic either.
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  SPEAKER_01: The real question is simple.
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  SPEAKER_01: Does Section 219 strengthen America while preserving our sovereignty and protecting taxpayer dollars and keeping appropriate control over our military technology?
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  SPEAKER_01: These are all fair questions, and they are questions all should freely be allowed to ask without being called silly names.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody, welcome to the Goon Tavern.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Goon Tavern.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: And today we have an awesome guest with us today to talk about something that I think is very relevant that has taken place in the House that was just voted on.
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  SPEAKER_01: I believe it was last week, if I not recall correctly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I have with us today is David Pine.
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  SPEAKER_01: And thank you so much for coming to the tavern.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hey James, great to be with you today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm so I'm I'm really excited about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: First of all, just tell us a little bit about yourself, but your your background, and you can tell your whole life story if you want, but I don't think we'll have the time, of course.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, go for it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so I am a former U.S.
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  SPEAKER_03: Army officer.
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  SPEAKER_03: I served as a common arms officer in the 1990s, student in military history.
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  SPEAKER_03: I lived in Washington, D.C.
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  SPEAKER_03: for six years.
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  SPEAKER_03: I worked for the Department of Defense, uh, U.S.
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  SPEAKER_03: Army Headquarters staff, missile defense agency, Department of the Navy as well, briefly.
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  SPEAKER_03: But uh yeah, my favorite job was the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_03: Army Headquarters uh officer.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_03: I got to travel to Israel, Brazil, Argentina, South Africa twice, Canada.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_03: And I was in charge of all armaments cooperation, RD Armaments cooperation for the Army for the Middle East, Africa, so former Soviet Union, and the Americas.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_03: And I have been kind of in the defense contracting world ever since I started doing uh national security podcasts.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'm also the deputy executive director of the task force on national homeland security.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_03: We've we focused more on the electromagnetic pulse threat to the United States, which is an existential threat, as well as cyber and to a lesser extent a nuclear missile threat.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_03: But uh I am someone who I'm a lifelong America First conservative, Pat Buchanan conservative, Ronald Reagan conservative for that.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_03: I strongly supported Trump's America First campaign agenda, cheered when he won, obviously re-elected in November of 2024.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_03: Since then, I I think I've had a little bit of bias remorse with this Iran war.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_03: It's goes against all of the conservative principles that I've championed my whole life.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's been uh frustrating as as we talked about before we started.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: There's like his first term was just really good.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: There was just a lot to like there and everything.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then it just seemed like there was this like switch, like kind of like back to the old policies in a lot of different ways.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: And this this legislation, I'm gonna have you because you'll probably have the title of it like better than I can.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: But the House obviously just voted on it.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think there were six Democrats that voted for it, most of them voted against it.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think there was it's kind of like seven Republicans, I think, voted against it as well.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh could you like share what was that legislation and why does it matter?
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: And just like people that might be listening.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, this is uh the National Defense Authorization Act for two fiscal year 2027.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's a one$1.15 trillion bill, so it's uh a huge increase from what we had for I think the the last it was about eight eight hundred and sixty-seven billion or it might be nine hundred and thirty-three billion with the supplemental.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_03: So President Trump has basically been asking for around a sixty percent, fifty-five to sixty percent defense hike in funding.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_03: And there's there's a big question for fiscal conservatives, this should be a big red flag because President Trump actually, if you go back and search on the internet, in March of 2025, he was talking about cutting the defense budget by 50 percent.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_03: So that's back when he was an America first peace president.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_03: He was he was wanting peace with Russia.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, he promised to end the war in Ukraine in the first 24 hours.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_03: That's now been, I think, 17, 18 months.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_03: He's further away from peace with Russia and Ukraine than he's ever been.
• 8:25
  unknown: Uh-huh.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and America is as well.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, fighting this Iran war, which I would say is being fought for a greater Israel.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_03: But it's there's really it's just a huge waste of of military uh munitions, equipment, military strength.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_03: It's making us weaker, it's made Iran stronger.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_03: Basically, it's uh kind of a mirror image of the of the Ukraine war, in that we're fighting a war against Russia, that's a proxy war, and it's made them stronger economically, it's made them stronger militarily, they're a much greater threat than they've ever been since the Soviet Union.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_03: And with Iran, it's it's much the same thing.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_03: But I think the reason you brought this up is there's a very controversial provision, which is called Section 219.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_03: It used to be 224, that basically says that the U.S.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_03: will merge the defense industrial base of the United States with Israel's as well as our military technological base.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: So basically we'll be co co-developing, and we've done this to a lesser, much lesser extent.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_03: I was actually involved in an agreement where we co co-developed the Aero II missile defense system back in 2001.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_03: I went to Israel, had Israeli friends up to including the rank of colonel.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_03: And uh friendly, it was really interesting, an interesting trip.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_03: It was kind of a garrison state, just women and men and women in the military.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_03: I've never seen so many women in the military.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_03: Ever before, because women, of course, are drafted.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_03: But Israel has they've been very duplicitous.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, they tried to sink the USS Liberty over a PR issue.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_03: We they we were aware that they were shooting and murdering captured Egyptian POWs, and so they thought if they sunk sunk our spy ship, then that word wouldn't get out.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_03: And they obviously killed or wounded over 200 Americans.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_03: And Thomas Massey, one of my heroes, brought that issue to the floor of the house.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_03: And had had a a bunch of veterans there.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_03: And obviously not too pro true too pro-Israel.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_03: I've been pro-Israel my whole life, up until very recently.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_03: I was I called myself a Christian scientist until last year.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_03: And just what what Israel has done to the Gazans, 60,000 terror bomb to death, 20,000 children, and getting us into this war.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_03: I would argue that President Trump is almost a captured, kind of a controlled asset of Israel, in that he's putting Israel above the national security interests of the United States.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_03: And I would oppose that if it was China.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, I'd be even more opposed to it if it was China.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, I I I criticize Biden to an extreme extent for being that for China, being a Chinese controlled asset as president.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_03: But it's it's depressing when you have two presidents in a row that have are not totally controlled but heavily influenced to a to a degree we've never seen, I think, in American history, to get them to pursue policies that are in opposition to U.S.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_03: national security interests, as I think the Iran Iran war has proven to be.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's interesting as well because I obviously like those on the other side, it's as we we talked about, anytime there's criticism of the nation of Israel, it's you're almost obviously labeled as anti-Semitic, you hate Jews, you want another Holocaust to start.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just it's just rubbish.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I think there's some legitimate questions to be asked when there is something, as as we have said, we we love our country, I'm I'm as like you, America first.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: What we call strikes.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: And if it's a strike, it's a strike.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: There's it's not like the idea like, well, our team never strikes out because they just do everything right, and we all know that's not true.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think the Democrats are a little more very happy to support whoever they put in front.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: They don't care how bad or nasty they get, really.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think they really have a bar or a standard.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: But with this provision, some would argue and say, well, we've always have developed technologies or shared technologies with other countries.
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  SPEAKER_01: So why is this one any different and why is this a problem?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think it's different because Israel has a a massive degree of influence.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: If you look at APAC, they they've given billions really to buy up U.S.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_03: senators and members of Congress.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_03: I think China has as well, and that's much less transparent.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_03: But with APAC and the Republican Jewish coalition, we actually have the financial records, campaign finance records of how much they've given.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: And I think there was one senator that's gotten four million in Israeli funding, essentially.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_03: And obviously our founding fathers warned against being having all this foreign influence.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_03: We were told, warned by John Quincy Adams not to go in search of monsters to destroy.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_03: George Washington warned against uh Entangling Alliance, he was my favorite president.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_03: That includes NATO, that includes Israel, includes Ukraine.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_03: These are all countries.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_03: Hopefully, we're not allies with the United Nations because they're socialists and godless and Marxists.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_03: But true.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so basically, my my idea of America first foreign policy is all of our alliances are conditional, which means that we only go to war to fight with them or to defend them if it's in the U.S.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_03: national security interests.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_03: And obviously, we shouldn't be s in the business of starting wars of aggression.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_03: We did that with Serbia in the 1990s, we did it with Iraq the second time, with Syria, Libya, obviously Afghanistan.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_03: We had a reason to go there, so that wasn't a case of aggression.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_03: But President Trump ran against all these forever wars.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_03: He said that any president who goes to goes to war in the Middle East on false pretenses should be impeached.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_03: And that's exactly what he's done.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_03: This this whole nuclear issue, I believe Iran has had nuclear missiles for at least four years.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_03: They haven't attacked anyone.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_03: The nuclear deterrents work.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: So this whole, and I think President Trump is aware of that, that this whole nuclear question, nuclear weapons, is really quite bogus.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_03: It's really something he uses to hide the fact that he's fighting a war that's against U.S.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: interests, that is more in support of Israel.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_03: But in response to your question, I think with Section 219, there really aren't a lot of countries that we've co-developed technology with in terms of military technology.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_03: Israel has been one of the few that we've done that with, but we've never actually merged our defense industrial base with another country.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: This is really an unprecedented bill.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_03: And it's not anti-Israel to say that.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_03: I I went to Israel, I I believe they're God's chosen people, but God's laws are immutable.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_03: They don't change.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_03: If you're if you're a Jew and you mass murder people, you're gonna go to hell.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_03: Basically, it's God's law applies to every person on earth.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_03: And and I believe that all life is equal.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's not black lives matter, it's not Jewish lives matter, it's all lives matter.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so that includes Gaza, Muslims, Jews, Christians, everyone is of equal worth before God.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_03: And so obviously, with that mentality and my my background of being in the military and studying war for the last 40, 45, 46 years, I guess, I've studied World War II and other wars, has made me realize how foolish it is to fight wars of aggression or get us bogged down in unnecessary wars that weaken us economically, militarily, actually maximize the threat to the United States of America, because of course, if Israel or if Iran has nuclear weapons, if they have super EMP weapons and we kill their first family, kill their basically prophet or pope, essentially, is what we did, and we sink their Navy or we bomb their cities and kill 160 schoolgirls for the crime of being daughters of Iranian naval officers, that can they can respond in kind.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_03: And how would how would we respond if if Trump's family Trump and his family were killed?
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_03: We would want to nuke them, basically.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: And so we don't understand, we have no strategic empathy.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_03: We don't understand that they would react very similarly and rationally to being attacked, surprise attacked, or unprovoked attacked as as we did to them as we were on 9-11.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's also it's bizarre because excuse me, the usually with this like provision as well, because I was also kind of wondering this myself, okay, I'm sure because like you said, there there's a few other countries like in NATO and stuff that we have developed some things.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think the F-35, you know, and stuff like that.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: But I think what was interesting about this is that it kind of words it in a way like that they're gonna basically set up their own person for Israel specifically, right?
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: Which I think is very different than like someone's just for the UK or Germany or and it's just it's weird because I thought I th I thought the timing was interesting as well, because like we obviously heard I think it was Benjamin Netahu and I don't know who else, but talking about how like we're gonna ease off from getting military aid from the US.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: How convenient that this bill shows up with over a trillion dollars.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: So what this means, and correct me if I'm wrong, that it's just a an infinite amount of support for them to develop anything they want because now it's under our own budget rather than oh, here's a billion for you to develop uh this type of machine gun or this type of rocket or whatever.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Am I wrong on that?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Or is that like basically what it means?
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_03: No, you're absolutely right.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_03: So what what there have been a couple of good conservative America First Conservatives, I think Joe Kent may be one of them, the former uh director of the Counterintelligence Center with the direct under the ODNI office, which used to be led by Tulsi Gabbard, basically said that there is no limit, as you mentioned.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: There's there's no could be tens of billions, it could be hundreds of billions.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: I guess under that budget of the trillion or whatever that they're gonna pass.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's quite a lot more than like what what do you usually give them every year?
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's eight billion or something.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_03: Israel has been this is the crazy thing, okay?
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_03: Israel has for many years, back when I was in the on the Army headquarters staff, it was rated as either one either the top, the second or the third top espionage threat to the United States of America.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_03: So today, Israel was recently upgraded to a critical threat, which is the highest possible espionage threat level issued by I don't know if it was the DIA or the CIA, but essentially it is on par with Russia and China as an espionage threat.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: So what this does, what this is gonna do is it basically is gonna say, okay, Israel, you don't have to steal all our technology that we didn't want to share with you because we're gonna give it to you for free.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: So we're gonna pay for it, we're gonna pay for the and this is the this is another thing I wanted to mention.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: So when I was on the Army Headquarters staff, we went to Israel, we negotiated the Aero 2 agreement.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_03: It was a cooperative agreement.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_03: It was supposed to be 50-50, our funding versus theirs.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: In fact, we they used our funding for their portion.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_03: So it's called foreign military funding, and it's something so we give them three point used to be three billion now.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's I think it's 3.8 or 3.7 billion a year.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: So that money they used for to purchase what arms from us and also to develop missile defense technology and various things like that.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: So we essentially paid 100% of the Aero 2 program, but we weren't allowed to use it.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: Israel negotiated multiple missile defense and other cooperative technology deals where we were actually not allowed to use the final product.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: They they we paid for 100%, they use it exclusively.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: So whereas the iron dome's different, I think there's still some provisions of like what that they can do with that technology, right?
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_03: With the Iron Dome, or it might be a separate thing, but yeah, the Iron Dome is a lower level, it's more of a tactical operational kind of missile defense system.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: And then, of course, there's three different there's David Sling, there's Iron Dome, and then there's the Aero System, I think, or the three that Israel uses.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: The arrow, I think, is the most strategic level with the greatest capabilities.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_03: And we were very focused on missile defense.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: We'd just gotten out of the ABM treaty and I think in 2003 under under George W.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_03: Bush.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: And so we were needing this technology, but we weren't allowed to use it.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_03: And these are this is what it bothers me is that we treat Israel like a special, it's not really an ally, it's like they they get treated as better than any ally we've ever had in our history.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you hear it all the time.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I've I've also kind of asked the question, I was like, okay, well, if there are ally, what are the benefits of and and granted, sure, I I don't know if I could come up with stuff for even the UK per se.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: I I think like you said, and I agree, like we tended to feel like this ally is the idea, like it's some kind of brother.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, look, the UK has its own interests, and rightfully so.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: They should think what's best for the UK.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Israel has their own too.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: But there's this idea that like there can't be any like kind of like fishiness going on.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, we're just gonna seek out our best interests, but we can maybe use you to get our best interest.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: And every country does that.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: So, but with Israel, it's kind of this idea, like, well, that's not the case.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's different in this case, and I don't understand that at all.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like odd.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's so critical, is is to have have an actual cost-benefit analysis to each one of our alliances.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_03: I think we have around 50 security agreements with countries with 50 alliances with 50 different countries.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_03: Israel is is not like a full alliance, it's not like a NATO Article V type alliance.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_03: An attack on one, it's an attack on all.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's more of a strategic partnership, but it it actually is, in practice, it's in in some ways closer than a NATO ally, because of course we expended uh uh a massive degree of missiles defending them against Iranian retaliatory strikes during the 12-day war and and obviously during this five month war and counting it.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: This is welcome to uh the sixth month of of Trump's four day war, I I like to say.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_03: Because we are we are now into the six the sixth month of the war and there's no one in sight.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: And Trump said he reportedly complained that there's his advisors can't agree on a strategy.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_03: How can he not have a strategy?
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: Strategy in the sixth month of the war.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: Without a strategy, without winnable winnable objectives or a chance to win.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: I've been wanting to do an article about the PAL doctrine and and how the Iran War fails literally every tenant of the PAL doctrine.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: It fails every tenant of the just war doctrine as well.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: And it was interesting too because like we talked before a little bit like the because I I was curious, like, okay, okay, we might share technologies with certain countries, but then I was like, okay, well, how often has it been where other countries have slipped our information or technology to other countries?
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: And the only two that popped up was Pakistan for I guess a Black Hawk crashed or whatever, and they ended up selling the parts to China or something for the technology, because Pakistan's technically an ally, in quotations, I guess, sound like Saudi Arabia.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: But and then with Israel, they were trying to sell this technology that I think it was in 2090, up until 2000, until they finally stopped.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I was thinking like China.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: And it's specifically China, like the other ones, it was kind of like countries that were technically our allies.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: So it was like, okay.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: But I just thought that was just an interesting of like, okay, out of all countries, China.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why?
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, like it's hard for me to go put a huge A on that and be like, oh, ally.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, who's our biggest adversary right now?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, well, probably China or Russia right now, right?
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's sell it to this guy.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was just baffled by that.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: And and I think that me as an American, like, it's good to have sure, you you want to cooperate with countries, but to me, that seems like someone that we should have more caution, not just go deeper in with them and have it where they have even more control of our technology.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: But that seems like what that's what's happening.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: So but I don't know what your thoughts are on that specifically, as far as with the because obviously people kind of look at like the the past, and usually they I'm not trying to make a blakin' statement, but it seems like something like that would be like a uh we should have more caution than this.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I I'm not sure what the driving maybe they just know that the money is gonna start drying up and this is a way to just have it permanently and not have to worry about it anymore.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_03: But so Israel is a country that they do nationalism and Israel first amazingly.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_03: They're one of the most if we were as pro-America in terms of our foreign policy as Israel was for them, we would have an amazing country.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_03: And we we would be at peace, we would be strong militarily, wouldn't be fighting all these wars in other other regions, Middle East, we'd pull our troops out of NATO, we'd be much richer, and the American people wouldn't be much better off and much safer.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_03: But there are some exceptions, of course.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, Israel treats other countries as as threats if they have military capabilities that that rival Israel's Iran, regardless of whether they have any intention of ever attacking Israel.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_03: But you're absolutely right.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_03: It was actually as recently as 2008 the U.S.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_03: stopped a military sale of U.S.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_03: military technology that we shared with Israel to China.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_03: So Israel, they're out for themselves.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_03: They don't really care, care about the U.S., they don't care about U.S.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: interests, they go against U.S.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_03: interests all the time.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, Trump's policy after starting the war was to try to end it with peace with honor, kind of a Nixonian term from the Vietnam era.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_03: But Israel killed all the moderates, they killed all, they tried to kill the negotiators.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_03: During negotiations with the Vice President Vance, that was a tremendous threat, that they would threaten the lives of negotiators in the same area or the same, maybe even the same building as the vice president of the United States.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_03: So this is a country that is not a true ally.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_03: I would argue that they're really not an ally at all.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_03: Are they a strategic partner?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we we certainly partner with them on a lot of different issues, but they're not, they don't have the best interests in the United States at heart.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_03: And I would argue that our NATO partners in Europe, they're going against Trump's foreign policy.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: Trump for the the first year of his presidency was trying to achieve peace with Russia to end the war in Ukraine, save the continent from restore peace and stability and remove the threat of World War III.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_03: And those leaders have gone against the U.S.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: as well.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm not singling out Israel.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_03: Israel is not the only problem of so-called allies that act against U.S.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: interests.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's all most of NATO countries as well.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: But the answer, as you mentioned, should not be to intertwine ourselves.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_03: And the biggest problem and bit the best argument, I think, against this Section 219 is that what it essentially does is it makes by merging our defense industrial base in our military technological base with Israel's, basically it makes it politically impossible for a member of Congress to go against Israel on on really any any foreign policy or war issue.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: And we already see that the level of the Republican Party that's bought off by Israel or simply pro-war, pro-Iran war, neocon oriented or America-class oriented, it's just massive.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's 90%, 95%.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_03: There's only like seven America First Conservatives in all of the House of Representatives out of 218 Republicans.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: And that's a really sad statement on the Republican Party because President Trump obviously he was elected to be an America First Conservative president.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_03: And he's the first three to three and a half months of that, he did an amazing job.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: Brilliant foreign policy, very peace-oriented.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_03: He was doing executing an actual strategy that I thought was kind of the one I'd called for my whole life.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_03: And then over the last several months, he's done the polar opposite.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_03: And he's he did have this MOU, I think, that was pretty positive from a U.S.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_03: perspective to try to get us out of the war.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_03: But then he allows himself to be governed by his emotions, and now he's back to uh two uh one two-week bombing campaign we just got out of.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_03: Now we're gonna do another two-week bombing.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's not helping.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: We're not winning the war.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: Iran is basically manipulating us to keep fighting the war until Trump loses control of both houses of Congress, and then they might consider ending it.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_03: But Trump is just, he's just kind of floundering.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_03: He doesn't really know what to do.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_03: His military advisors, his political advisors or uh of different minds, as are his his own generals.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: General Kane is arguing very strongly to get out of the war because we're depleting our arsenal and our missile arsenal.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: And the CENTCOM commander, I think Admiral Cooper, is saying the opposite.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_03: He's basically General Petraeus, let's just have a surge, we'll surge a bunch of attacks, and then some somehow.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, somehow we'll win the war.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we lost the Iraq war as well, as everyone is aware.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's what was so interesting as well, because the language and how people were addressing the Iran issue.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, it was the idea, okay, they have these nuclear facilities, and we're like, okay, we send in our amazing Air Force, they bomb it, they do these bombs that obviously Israel doesn't have the capabilities because only we can do it.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it's kind of like, okay, everything's fine.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then six months later, it's like, oh, we got to go back.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, and I'm like, wait a second, I thought we fixed it all.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sorry, but the language was very much the same as Iraq.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, there's weapons of mass destruction, but in this case, of course, it was nuclear.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: I I've seen the montage videos of Benjamin Yetanyahoo way back, I think it goes as far as the late 91, 92, 95.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, it could be 10 days, it could be 15 years, it could be two days, it could be, and it's it's the same thing.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, okay, where have I heard this before?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, climate change.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: They do the exact same thing.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's always the goalposts is move back further and further to have to fit the narrative.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I was just flabbergassing, so I'm like, I'm like, how is this gonna be any different in terms of the Iraq war?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, there's no boots on the ground, thank God, yet, I would say.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: But I think Trump also has every president has an ego.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: But I think there's this mentality of I don't know if he was just thinking it was gonna be as easy as Venezuela or what?
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what he was exactly thinking there.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: But it's proven to be like, like you said, I I'm concerned as well, like how this is gonna pan out in the end.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea what's gonna happen.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: But um, but with this legislation, so obviously it's past the House now.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: How do you think it's gonna pan out when it gets to the Senate?
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think it's gonna be just as close in terms of because I think it was only I don't know how many votes it won, it was over.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was like four or five votes.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it wasn't very much.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was 216 to 212 or something like that.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: How do you think that's gonna pan out with like the Senate as far as that goes?
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it could flounder again, but it fell short in a test vote.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_03: I think it was like 50 to 46 or something like that.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_03: So it it's already yeah, it was 50 votes in favor.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, there's the filibuster, so they have to get to the 60 to avoid a filibuster and to proceed with with approval.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_03: But I think what most people are predicting, including opponents of the Section 219 and this National Defense Authorization Act, is that it that the defense bill will be will be approved by the Senate in some form.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_03: It could be they they have to take Section 219 out, it could be they water it down, but then the the bad part is it's likely to be readded in conference.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_03: So after a bill passes the House and Senate, a bill like this, like a budget bill, then the House and Senate, if if the versions are different, they have to have a House and Senate conference in which 50% of the of the conferees are from the House and 50% from the Senate.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: So at that point, it will likely get put back in.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_03: So I think folks like me, America First Conservatives, that are trying to oppose this bill because it's got this poison pill in it that's very anti-American, I would say, almost traitorous, I would I would say.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: I think we're fighting a losing battle.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_03: But I think it's more at this point, it's as kind of Tucker Carlson has said, it's more about awareness, like Thomas Massey said, I lost my seat, but I've raised the awareness of the control that Israel, other countries have over our election system.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: And so I think it's more about informing the American people of the of the threat of other countries.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_03: And again, I'm not saying Israel is is an enemy.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm saying that they don't care about America.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_03: They don't care what happens to America.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: They only they view us as a vassal state because they do have a lot of control over our leaders, which is crazy because we've had these these statements, these realist statements by both Trump and especially by J.D.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_03: Vance.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_03: J.D.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_03: Vance, I I love J.D.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: Vance.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: He's he's everything Trump promised to be without the baggage.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_03: He's he's he'll be an amazing America first conservative president one day, and I'm I'm strongly supporting him for 2028.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_03: But basically, Trump said, he made a comment like, We're the big country, Israel's the small country, and then Vance attacked Netanyahu for killing the negotiators, trying to frustrate every attempt by President Trump to make peace with Iran, to end the war, to extricate us from this quagmire that that he created.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I think he's got buyers from Morris that I don't he he likes to to boast about the war, but in private he's uh expressing a lot of frustration.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_03: We saw the news reports about him shouting profan pro profanities and obscenities at his closest advisors because he's so frustrated that he can't get Iran to to get us, allow us uh an exit out of the war.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_03: But uh yeah, it's just a huge mess.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that uh there's a lot of things the American people are learning about our perilous situation in terms of our national security and kind of the enemies within that they didn't weren't aware of before.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: Do you also think, too, that with this legislation that it might put us into more obligation to support other conflicts that might arise other than Iran?
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think that's a possibility that that becomes a legislation it might do that?
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_03: Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_03: So any conflict that Israel wants to fight, whether it's against the Houthis in Yemen or if they wanted to go against Egypt, Netanyahu has one advisor that he basically has talked about restoring the Israeli boundaries that existed at the time of King David.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I see at that time it included parts of Egypt, parts of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, even Iraq, Western Iraq.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_03: So that's kind of the region that they're in.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_03: Netanyahu treats this advisor very seriously.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_03: He was asked, you know, is that something you'd support right now?
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_03: And he and he's he basically tried to just say, well, it's something we're considering.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, which also that brings me to remember even Huckabee's statement.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, it's okay if they took it all.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just kind of like, I was like, okay, where is this just kind of like this blind allegiance that, you know, and as we talked about, there is this dispensationalism among Christians as well, where I myself view things differently.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: I believe that the covenant itself is a continuation, and now Christ is the root, and we are the wild olive branch that's drafted grafted in.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't mean that because scripture talks about too that God has a place for Israel in the later future, what that's gonna look like, who knows?
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: But it's just interesting though that I think that has become so twisted to this idea that everyone goes back to that verse.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, if you don't bless Israel, then you're gonna be cursed, and if you do, then you're gonna be all good and going, which to me just also kind of just throws Christ out the window because it's implying now that somehow your righteous deeds are bent on how you treat Israel rather than accepting Christ.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: And obviously, I'm not saying, well, we should just treat Jews bad, but I don't see how there's this, I don't think God would say, you know, I remember talking to one of my friends and said, So wait, let me get this straight.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: If if Israel decide to let's say nuke us or maybe nuke one of our allies per se, we wouldn't fight them back.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, Oh, I wouldn't.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, that's just crazy to me.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, it's like, how can you how can you look at that and be like, God's gonna be like, well, there, and especially from the Old Testament, there's clear lines that God still had standards even for his own people, right?
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: And when they got to have line, they were either taken over or they were put in slavery, like in Egypt, okay?
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: And and God eventually delivered them.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because they decide to repent.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think that we kind of forget the the past Old Testament.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they might have been God's chosen peoples, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't still a standard that they had to meet to not have judgment.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's why it's so chaotic in Israel as it is, because they still don't accept the Messiah, they don't accept Christ as Lord.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so why can't that be a question of, well, is it always just persecution?
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: Is it really just always that like it's just because they're Jewish?
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just interesting to me, like that that's the case.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: But what are your thoughts with because I know it's a you you use the word and it's a strong word, but do you think that this legislation is borderline, or is it, would you say maybe hundred percent not fair, but treasonous as far as this legislation?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: What would you consider it?
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, first I want to comment on what you just said, and what I think is really interesting is you have this mentality because of that scripture in Genesis 12, which was written basically about 4,000 years before the state of Israel came into existence, talking about blessing God blessing Israel.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_03: If you bless Israel, then God will bless you.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_03: Israel didn't exist as a state back then.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_03: It it literally didn't exist, not even ancient Israel existed.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_03: So we're talking of he was referring to basically the twelve tribes, which we know are scattered among Western countries.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_03: And the United States has many of the twelve tribes, Russia, um, you know, Europe, even some in Central Asia or the Middle East.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: And Christian churches, and I I'm not a I don't subscribe to this, but there are Christian churches, evangelical churches, not all, but and Catholic churches that basically say if you don't accept Christ, then you're going to hell.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_03: Well, guess who doesn't accept Christ?
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: Israel.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_03: And I think there are a lot of great people in Israel.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_03: Jews throughout the world, throughout history, have contributed immense talents and resources, enriched our culture.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_03: I don't I don't subscribe the the to think that we're a Judeo-Christian nation.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_03: I think we're a Christian nation.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: We align with a lot with the with Jewish thinking, obviously, share books of the Bible.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but yeah.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think that that uh is misguided.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_03: And as we talked about the the U.S., well, any country in the world is governed by God's law.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a Sunday school teacher in my church right now, and we're talking about the Old Testament, we're teaching the Old Testament, and we talk about the the kings of the righteous kings of of Judah.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_03: All the kings of of the northern kingdom of Israel were wicked, but there were, I think, eight righteous kings out of 19 that were righteous.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_03: And basically, God blessed, he blessed the nation of Is of J of Judah, which is where the Jews were, when they were righteous kings, and then cursed them when they had wicked kings.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_03: So I would argue that Netanyahu is not a righteous king.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_03: And so that's kind of my mentality, is when we have we elect righteous leaders or leaders that do good, God blesses us.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_03: That is the case, I think, for any country, not just the US or Israel, but any country.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: But and even Israel in the Old Testament, there was good kings and there's bad kings.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: So it is interesting how there's a disconnect that they don't think that way now, though.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, what if the prime minister of Israel, who yeah, he's not a king, right, but he's the representation of that nation.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if they are wicked, is it safe to then say that he's a wicked prime minister?
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because does that mean all of a sudden, well, you hate Jews, you hate Israel, you hate it's it's it's ludicrous because everyone would say, Yeah, Saul had some very bad ideas, and and all the other ones that you could name.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_03: So well, to me, it's kind of the mentality is would people say I'm not a patriot because I hate it, I despise Joe Biden.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_03: It's like that's like the mentality is you you have to support a country no matter what they do, sure, no matter how bad their leaders are.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, Nanya is very corrupt.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_03: We've had very corrupt presidents.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_03: Biden, I think, was one of the most corrupt presidents.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_03: But in answer to your question, no, I don't think that this this legislation is per se treasonous.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_03: I would say it's seditious.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_03: So sedition I view as it's sedition is not something you execute someone for.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_03: Treason kind of implies it's a capital offense.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_03: So I wouldn't say it's it's treason on that level.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's seditious because it undermines the independence of the United States of America.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_03: And as a as a nationalist, as a patriot, a lifelong patriot and veteran, I want to see our country be more independent.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_03: President Trump had this uh amazing day called Liberation Day, in which he basically declared it in a U.S.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_03: economic independence from China.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_03: Now, did he follow through on that?
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_03: Not as not to the degree that I would like to have seen that, but it's kind of the same mentality, is is we have China controls us a lot, a lot of the, you know, through politically, but through our political elites, but also through our economy, our dependency on raw earth materials, on semiconductors, or any number of things.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_03: And what our founders wanted us to be is they wanted us to be independent.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's the way we were in World War II.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_03: If we had been blockaded by Germany and Japan on both sides, obviously Germany didn't have a navy to speak of back then.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_03: But if we had been blockaded, we could have still produced all of the weapon systems that we did because we didn't have to import much.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_03: We had it all here.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_03: We have the national resources we need.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_03: As Trump said, we have the oil that we need.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_03: We have, we can't control the prices.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_03: The prices are going to go up if there's a global shortage, but we have sufficient oil for our needs just within our own country.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_03: And that's true with uh most raw materials as well.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_03: There are certain raw materials that other countries weren't able to produce.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, large countries like Russia and China don't have that problem as much.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_03: But through globalism, and this is something that President Trump rightly railed against, we've become a lot more dependent economically in terms of resources and trade and manufacturing goods.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_03: And it's the same mentality with Israel is that we don't want to be dependent on any country, even if we consider that country an ally.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: We want to be independent, we want to be able to make our own decisions, we want our politicians not to be bought by foreign money.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_03: I think that Tipac should be registered as under under Farah as a f as kind of foreign agents.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: Totally, totally agree.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I think any country for that matter, it's like I honestly would think our forefathers would freak.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: Wait a second, but you have House representative and senators, and they receive money from other countries to vote for interests of their country, they would there's no way that would fly, especially like you mentioned Washington, like especially how he was with between France and England at the time.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't understand either this, and maybe you can help it's like because you kind of hit it hinted to it.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: If the whole idea is that we have the resources here, and this is also the problem with I have with uh H1B visas as well, with the whole idea of how we're just bringing everyone here and we don't have the intelligence here.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: But it's the same thing as well with the the analogy.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: Why do we need Israel?
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's if we built the Iron Dome for them, which is really the biggest thing I would say, and I don't know you correct me, it's probably the biggest thing that is keeping them alive right now.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Why would we need their expertise for us to develop whatever weapon we wanted?
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: It just seems stupid to me because no, we don't.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: We're the biggest superpower in this world.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why would we need oh oh we need those few scientists from Israel, otherwise we can't accomplish this?
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: I just I find that crazy.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you want to expand on that.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, so we have this kind of system that Biden referred to as ironclad alliances.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_03: He talked about our ironclad alliance with, I don't know, Japan, with NATO, Israel, Ukraine.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_03: We didn't really have we don't really have an alliance per se with Ukraine, but we we treat them as a de facto ally.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_03: And just like we don't have a formal alliance with Israel, but they're probably our top ally in the world, according to some people.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_03: But I think that, yeah, I think it's it's we have this, we're indoctrinated, I think, into in this internationalist globalist mindset that the US alliance system is what keeps us safe.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: In fact, it's our alliance system that creates greater threats to our country because or more problems.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_03: I'll tell you one thing.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_03: If we weren't allies with Israel.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: We wouldn't have attacked Iran.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_03: We wouldn't have started this war.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't know.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_03: If we didn't have U.S.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_03: military bases.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_03: If we were allies with Israel, but we didn't have any U.S.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_03: military bases in the region, we would probably wouldn't have started the war.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_03: But primarily our alliance with Israel is what has got us into this mess.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's what got us into the Iraq war mess, because this may be controversial, but Saddam Hussein was he was helping to defend that region against Iran.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_03: He was Saddam, Saddam Hussein was Iran's number one enemy.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_03: And we we took him out.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_03: That benefited Iran.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_03: And Iran is Iraq is now basically an Iranian proxy state.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's interesting that we partnered with Iran in Afghanistan and primarily with in Iraq.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, then there was the Shiite militias that after we overstayed our welcome, then they turned against us.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_03: And that's where Iran killed, helped kill 600 U.S.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_03: military servicemen.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_03: So that's really the worst thing that they've done to us.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_03: But they stopped doing that, of course, when we ended the war in 2011.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, being allies with Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, or Ukraine, that's what increases the threat of World War III with Russia.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: If we're allies with Taiwan and we'd come to Taiwan's defense, we could get nuked by China.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_03: And fighting this war for Israel, Iran likely has the capability to destroy the U.S.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_03: critical infrastructure with uh super EMP or cyber attack.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_03: And they've chosen not to do that.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_03: They have the capability to sink U.S.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_03: aircraft carriers or destroyers in the region, and they've chosen not to do that.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_03: There's a lot they could conduct terrorist attacks with their Hezbollah allies here in the U.S., terror cells.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_03: So they have all these things that they could have that they could do.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_03: And I have friends, including one that's running for state senate right now, is the U.S.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_03: state or the Utah State Senate nominee in a nearby district, Senate district, whose name I won't reveal, but he basically says, well, if Iran had nukes, they would have used them.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_03: And Russia has nukes, and they could have taken out Ukraine and won the war in a single day, basically in a single hour, and they haven't done them to use them.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_03: So that argument is really is is, I think, an ignorant argument.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_03: Iran, this war can get a lot worse, and the longer it goes on, the greater the risk.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_03: That's the irony, is President Trump claims to be fighting to make us safe and secure from Iranian the nuclear threat, but he's given Iran every incentive, even if they didn't have nukes before, he's given them the incentive to build them.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_03: And according to Ted Postal, a top U.S.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_03: nuclear expert, he says that Iran has the ability to build nukes in their underground production facilities that we've been unable to touch.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_03: They could have built a dozen or even 15 nukes since the war began that they could potentially use against us.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: I know that there's always this blowback mentality that's just I think it was Ron Paul who actually talked about that.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: Let me just kind of like brush over every time.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, here we are again.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that with this legislation, I think what concerns me the most is that it locks us in to a point where I just think is I don't really see the point either.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's not it's not like there's this idea like, oh well, we just really need this this other country's opinion on how to do these weapons.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: We know we we are the best.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted your thoughts on this.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's always talked about a threat to America.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I think a lot of times, like we have, first of all, two huge oceans which protect us a lot.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: And would you say that a lot of times when they use the language a threat to America, it's just propaganda to get to something else that's bigger than what's really taken place?
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so America is fundamentally, we are an empire.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_03: And I like to, I guess, more accurately call us an imperial republic because we don't have a uh a formal empire emperor, we don't have a formal king.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_03: We're a lot like France during the probably the Third Republic when they they had a a pretty vast empire, but they were technically a republic.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_03: So people refer to, I think it's Doug Bond Bandau and others, the libertarian side, talk about DC as the imperial capital.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_03: But we have really one of the biggest empires in world history.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_03: If you if you broadly define the empire as a vast number, we have 800, 750 to 800 U.S.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_03: military bases overseas in at least 50 countries, maybe a 94 or something like that.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I've never thought about that too, because usually you just think of territories.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I would define Ukraine as basically a U.S.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_03: military protectorate.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_03: If the U.S.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_03: hadn't hadn't sent any weapons systems to Ukraine, the war would have been over with the Istanbul Agreement in April of when Ukraine would be in control of 93% of its territory.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_03: So you talked about blowback, the the folks that support the war and they say they support Ukraine, and they but it's the very weapon systems the West has provided Ukraine that has caused the war to continue almost indefinitely and caused over a million Ukrainian citizens to be rather army soldiers to be killed and 30% of its population to be depleted, mostly through refugees.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_03: And so there it's not always as clear.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_03: Basically, what I'm trying to say is the US, just like every country in the world, Russia, Iran, Israel, they propagandize their citizens to support wars that often are in opposition to their national security interests that make make things worse for their neighbors.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, there's a lot of good Israeli soldiers that are being killed.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_03: There's U.S.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_03: soldiers that have been killed.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_03: There's we've been trying to conceal the casualty numbers.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_03: There's been a lot of stories about that.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_03: Just in the last few weeks, I think we've lost 200 U.S.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_03: casualties.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_03: I think on day two of the war, interestingly, there was about 90 U.S.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_03: casualties because we we just weren't prepared for Iran's capability to strike back.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_03: They struck U.S.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_03: military bases, I think, in up to 13 different countries.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_03: We've lost 13 U.S.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_03: military bases.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_03: Another three are heavily damaged.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_03: And this is something I predicted on March 5th on my Real War Substack at dpyne.substack.com.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_03: Is I predicted on March 5th in the article I published that day that this war would be a it would be a guaranteed U.S.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_03: strategic defeat.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_03: It would reorder the regional balance of power and the global balance of power against the U.S.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_03: And a lot of people were saying, well, we're blowing them away.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_03: I people were literally saying this on March 1st.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_03: They were saying the Khomeini regime is is done.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_03: The people are going to revolt.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_03: Trump says the country's been liberated.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_03: What's regime change has been achieved?
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_03: All these there were all these propaganda, propaganda or talking points saying that that we basically won the war.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_03: Trump himself said on, I think it was March 11th, he said we won the war five times in in 13 seconds at a rally.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_03: And five months later, we're still fighting this war indefinitely.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_03: And there's he doesn't know how to get out of it.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's why I'm I wouldn't say I'm anti-war.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_03: I'm very pro just war.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, wars of self-defense, in some cases, even wars of defense of another.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_03: But this is a war that was really the stupidest war that I think the U.S.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_03: has ever fought in its history.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_03: There was literally, there was so threat is defined as both intention and capabilities.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, Iran had the had a existential threat to the U.S.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_03: in terms of its superimpient cyber weapons, but in terms of intent, that the it was within just a few days of the start of the war, the Pentagon said they had zero intelligence that the that Iran had any intention of attacking the US or Israel unless we attacked them first.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: And also Tulsi Gabbard even had her report it seemed like that was just brushed over very quickly.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: And kind of ignored.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I think if I I don't know if I I'm correct on this.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't Colin Powell say the same thing?
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: Or was that like a in his report?
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it was the same thing if he if he said that there was or not, but it's just kind of ironic the similarities though, in that.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: As far as when it comes to our sovereignty with this, do you see that this could be because obviously there's there's there so it's about probably follow the money as well.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: Someone's obviously profiting from it.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think is a part of that in this legislation of like what is behind it in terms of like profit?
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_01: Why is it that this specific country, this specific obviously like arms or whatever it might be, technologies itself?
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you know that as far as like being contractor yourself at one point or button.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so it really is a trace the money situation because Israel has the most powerful foreign lobby in the country, in the world.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_03: In in the country, yeah, the United States.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_03: So China has a lobby, it's it's a lot more unfocused, you know, it's hard to trace.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, they were successful in persuading the Republican Party, Newt Ingrish, and a lot of fools like that in the 1990s and the 2000s to support Chinese W 2 m 200 membership, the most favorite nation uh trade status with with China that built them into the the world's most powerful military as it as it is today, not there in terms of conventional military forces, obviously not in nuclear forces.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_03: But we're seeing an even more powerful lobby with the is Israeli lobby here in the United States.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_03: And this is something that Pat Buchanan warned about back way back in the 1990s.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_03: He taught he he joked that Capitol Hill was Israeli occupied territory, and a lot of the at that time, a lot of folks, including myself, didn't really see it that clearly.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_03: And it certainly wasn't to the extent that it is today.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_03: But today, I think that statement is really true because Israel, if Netanyahu tells Congress to vote a certain way, they're gonna do it.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_03: Certainly the Republican Party is.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, the Democrat Party is more divided.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_03: They're kind of uniting behind trying to fund, you know.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_03: So what I'm trying to say is it's not the only this Section 219 is not the only reason why Democrats are voting against the defense funding bill.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_03: They're trying to defund the war, they're trying to pressure President Trump to follow what the House passed, which was a bill that was non-binding to for Trump to extricate U.S.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_03: military forces from the conflict, because of course this is an illegal war, this is an unconstitutional war.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_03: The const the War Powers Act of 1973 clearly states that the president only has the power to fight a 60-day war if it's a war of self-defense, if the U.S., its base, uh, its like territories or its military is attacked, we are presidents allowed to wage war without specific congressional authorization.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_03: However, this is not that that case.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_03: Iran never has never attacked us directly, except in retaliation to our attacks on them.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_03: And so this was a war of aggression, and wars of aggression under the War Powers Act were prohibited, so without specific congressional authorization.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_03: And the crazy thing is, almost every major U.S.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_03: conflict in U.S.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_03: history, with the exception of the Korean War, has been specifically authorized by Congress.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_03: So we haven't had declarations of war since World War II, but we have had, obviously, there was the Iraq War authorization in 1991, I think it was 1990 actually, and then there was another one that was in 2002 to authorize the second Iraq war.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_03: And then there was authorization for the war in Afghanistan and other conflicts.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_03: But this in this war, President Trump has deliberately, he didn't obviously try to get UN approval, which I don't care about.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_03: That's great.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_03: But he didn't try, he didn't brief Congress.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_03: There was no public relations campaign to try to say Iran's this deadly threat.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_03: They're gonna try to nuke us or whatever.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_03: He just he just did it.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_03: He just he on a dime, I think there was maybe at most about 16 days where he gave, he had made the decision.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_03: I think it was the day after uh Netanyahu's briefing, and he basically gave a warning order to the U.S.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_03: military, and we were kind of caught with our pants down.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_03: We had troops that were forced to evacuate the military, their barracks, because they we knew that they were going to come out under heavy Iranian missiles, missile attack, and they were like having to hide in hotels and stuff like that.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_03: And then and they were evacuated with nothing but whatever they can they could carry with them because we couldn't, we couldn't ship any of their bags or belongings home.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_03: And then they they got dropped off at a military base with nothing but the dollars in their pockets and maybe a backpack.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_03: There was there was no preparation, there was no constitutional process followed, there was no congressional authorization, there was no attempt to win over the American people.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_03: I think it the support for war, this war before the strikes began, I it was about 21%.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_03: Now, of course, it's like maybe 60% or 65% of Republicans support the war.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_03: But there was this is the most unpopular war in U.S.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_03: history, even Vietnam, I think, but according to some polls, it was more popular.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_03: The war in Iraq today is supported by 36% of the American people.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_03: I think the war in Iran is now lower, and it's only been five months.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_03: Five months of war.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_03: The Iraq war lasted eight years.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's just crazy.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that I I I wonder too, kind of like wrapping up it too, is like if if it does pass, if this legislation passes the Senate, do you think that Trump will sign this?
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think he'll sign it or do you think he'll veto it?
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: It'll be interesting.
• 56:58
  unknown: I don't know.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_03: I can guarantee you he'll he'll sign it.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he is in the back pocket of Netanyahu in terms of doing what Netanyahu wants him to do.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_03: Now, there of course have been reported incidents of him shouting the F-word at Netanyahu in in private.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_03: But it it's much his relationship with Zelensky.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, we saw, of course, February 28th, 2025.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_03: It was one of the best moments for America First.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: You're not holding all the cards.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you right now, it doesn't look good.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna be totally wiped off the map, you're gonna be executed.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's uh great impersonation, by the way.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_03: But that's that's pretty much exactly what he said in a return visit in October of 2025.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_03: So he was put in America first with Ukraine, with Zelensky in February of last year and then October.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_03: And now it's it's like, okay, Netanyahu, you want me to start a war with Iran, we can't win?
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_03: When do you want me to do it?
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_03: Just kind of salute and follow orders.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_03: And and that's not the way that's the the problem, is both both Trump and Biden have talked about the U.S.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_03: as as like the most powerful country that in you in world history, not just you know modern times, but world history and the most powerful empire.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_03: And yet we are controlled very substantially by foreign lobbies.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's not just Israel, it's China and Ukraine, other countries, but probably those are the top three.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_03: I would say Israel, China, and Ukraine in that order.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_03: And we the world's most powerful powerful empire is we're manipulated.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_03: Our leaders are manipulated to fight these wars that are making us weaker, making us less safe, less secure.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_03: If we were to, this is a counterfactual, but if we had not fought World War II, I think Hitler would still have been lost, the Soviets would have won.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_03: But we wouldn't have any major enemies.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_03: There, you know, we would the China communist China wouldn't exist, North Korea wouldn't exist, the communist Vietnam would have never existed, the Soviet Union would still exist in some form.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's arguable as to whether it would have collapsed or not.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_03: I think it probably would have.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_03: But we wouldn't have to have this massive military.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_03: We could still have a massive military, but we wouldn't be fighting wars outside the hemisphere without end.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_03: And that's that's what Trump campaigned on.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_03: He, in fact, his national security strategy and national defense strategy actually says we need to pull back U.S.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_03: military forces from the Middle East and in Europe and refocus on defense of the Western Hemisphere.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_03: And that that might include occupying Greenland, it might include invading Cuba.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_03: I'd be much more supportive of that or even military action against Venezuela than fighting wars half the world away that really don't even matter.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_03: And in an answer in response to one of your previous questions, if Israel didn't exist today, I don't think the US would be any less secure.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want that.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_03: I would never want to see that.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_03: I want Israel to defend itself and stay strong.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_03: But if it didn't exist, we would not be any less safe than we are today.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's just a reality that like we're fed the fear from the media course.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen countless videos too that show hypotheticals of oh, if this country invade us or this country and it's a lost cause.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like there's just too much ocean.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: By the time they get here, the the best option is probably like a nuke or EMP kind of thing.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: But the idea of boots on the ground, it's like it's not gonna be like a red dawn scenario which is all dramatizing and stuff.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, this has just been fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's just like there's a lot, I'm sure that our audience is like having to chew on this.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: But if anything, we just want people to be aware.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_01: We want people to do their own research, right?
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: Look into it.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to take our word for it.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: But I appreciate you sharing all of this, David.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's just been amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where can people like find you?
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like as far as if you have like websites or blogs or anything like that, if you want to share those so that we can have people that can check you out and get to know more of the information and they do a deep dive on this when just binge watch it like for the rest of the week.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thanks so much for having me on your show.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_03: I really appreciate the invite.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_03: So, yeah, I am well written on on the internet.
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  SPEAKER_03: My primary website is the Real War Substack.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_03: That's at dpyne.substack.com.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_03: Once again, dpyne.substack.com is the website address.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_03: There's both free and paid subscriptions.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_03: The paid subscription is six bucks a month, so it's it's pretty minimal.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_03: But uh, you get a lot of my content through through free articles as a free subscriber.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_03: I probably publish or there about three types, three kind of deep dive articles a month.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, wish I could do more.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_03: I've got so many half-finished articles that are more interesting than probably what I have up right now.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_03: But pretty deep dive on uh mainly on the Iran War.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, I focus on whatever the conflict is.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_03: Uh before the Iran War started, my focus was on Rush, the war with Russia and Ukraine, obviously the the Chinese threat to Taiwan, stuff like that.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I still write about things like that, but it's it's pretty current event oriented, and it kind of provide it provides a lot of information I think most Americans aren't aware of.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_03: You can also your listeners can also follow me on X at my handle is at AmericaFirstCon.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_03: That's spelled C-O-N.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_03: Not for con, but conservative.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_03: I just ran out of space.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's fine.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, that'd be awesome.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I guess the last thing is is there anything else that you want to add or anything else that you think that our listeners might want to think on, or maybe maybe a question that they should maybe consider.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I just want people, yeah, I want I think the most important thing is as Republicans, we like to watch Fox News and we believe most of the stuff that they said on that.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_03: I would say that the vast majority of things that are said about by by this administration and Fox News about the Iran War are mostly bogus.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_03: They're mostly non-factual.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_03: And so I would encourage your listeners to, and just like they're listening to this excellent podcast, listen to other Patriots, Tucker Carlson, Catus Owens, she's mostly good.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, there's some French things there, but lots of other Douglas McGregor, Daniel Davis Deep Dive, Joe Kent, just a lot of really good conservatives, super solid that will tell you the truth, whether, and it's non-ide ideological.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a Christian first, I'm a conservative second, and a Republican third.
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  SPEAKER_03: So really I'm an American before I'm a Republican.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_03: So just because the Republican Party is our leaders are saying something that's inconsistent with what they ran on like President Trump, I think it's important to realize that our leaders don't always tell the truth.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_03: They don't always act in our best interests.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_03: And it's important to have a core set of Christian conservative ideological principles that are based on the Archiving Constitution.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_03: And you apply those to every every leader equally, whether it's Trump or Biden or Kamala or whoever the heck becomes president in the next several years.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's great.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's excellent.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_01: We want to thank you again for coming on.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_01: We know this is you took quite a drive to get out here, too.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like I until I looked up where you live, I was like, oh my goodness, he's driving pretty far.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_01: And the weather's a little crazy today.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: But thank you again, David, for coming on.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: We appreciate everything that you shared with us.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_01: And we're just excited, and hopefully, this will be helpful to many people that heard what was said today.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_01: And as always, I am G McKeever, your host of the Goon Tavern.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_01: Feel free to share this, like it, and be sure to have conversations about it.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_01: And don't be blind.
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_01: And whatever you do, keep on being a person that loves your country, loves God, and fights the enemy at all costs, and don't ever back down.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.