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Concerned Clergy Podcast September 16, 2026 · Concerned Clergy Podcast

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_0: So you wouldn't believe where Indiana ranks in regards to early childhood education.
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  SPEAKER_0: Pretty much dead last is where we're at.
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  SPEAKER_0: We're also going to give an update on the Flock camera systems
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  SPEAKER_0: and how it's being utilized here in central Indiana, here in Indianapolis.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_0: We're going to talk about that.
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  SPEAKER_0: And anything you'd like to discuss, feel free and call into the radio station, the phone number.
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  SPEAKER_0: It's 317-480-1310.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_0: Once again, 317-480-1310 is the phone number.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_0: And we also have our program.
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  SPEAKER_0: It's on our Facebook page, The Concerned Clergy of Indianapolis.
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  SPEAKER_0: You can join us there as well.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_0: Once again, that number is 317-480-1310.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_0: I want to say happy birthday to our president, Pastor Greene.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_0: How are you?
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_0: Happy birthday.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_0: Glad you're joining us on your birthday night.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_1: Well, thank you, Alexander.
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  SPEAKER_1: Happy to have made it through another birthday.
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  SPEAKER_1: So we're excited that God has his old saints.
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  SPEAKER_1: They allowed our golden moments to roll on a little while longer.
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  SPEAKER_1: Good to be with you and all of our Facebook followers and listeners on today.
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  SPEAKER_1: And
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  SPEAKER_0: we also,
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  SPEAKER_0: we invite you,
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  SPEAKER_0: you can catch our replay,
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  SPEAKER_0: and that's the Substack for the Concerned Clergy radio show,
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  SPEAKER_0: and that'll be playing tomorrow,
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  SPEAKER_0: tomorrow morning on the Progressive Indiana Network.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_0: Mr. President, you mind praying for us tonight?
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  SPEAKER_1: No problem.
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  SPEAKER_1: Eternal God, our Father, we come before you once again, as humble as we know how.
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  SPEAKER_1: Lord, we thank you for this day.
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  SPEAKER_1: Thank you, Lord, for continuing to watch over us and keep us, Lord God.
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  SPEAKER_1: We pray for all of our listeners, whatever those needs are.
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  SPEAKER_1: We pray for those that have been impacted by the floods,
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  SPEAKER_1: the crisis,
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  SPEAKER_1: not only in central Indiana,
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  SPEAKER_1: but also reaches to northwest Indiana and other locations.
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  SPEAKER_1: Continue to pray for all of our leaders across this city, this state, and this country.
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  SPEAKER_1: And in Jesus name we pray.
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  SPEAKER_1: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_0: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_0: Well, once again, we invite you to be part of the program.
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  SPEAKER_0: You can do that by calling into the radio studio.
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  SPEAKER_0: That number is 317-480-1310.
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  SPEAKER_0: Or you can also comment on our Facebook page.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_0: Mr. President,
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  SPEAKER_0: I want to pick up where on last week we discussed some of the issues incidents
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  SPEAKER_0: that were happening actually in real time and right before our program as well at
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  SPEAKER_0: the city county building in which they were having a budget hearing there for
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  SPEAKER_0: the public safety committee and we had Chief Terry there testifying and there was
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  SPEAKER_0: a lot of fallout from that meeting in addition to
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  SPEAKER_0: the Dalys Jett family wanting answers.
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  SPEAKER_0: They also talked about Flock cameras and the utilization of it.
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  SPEAKER_0: Well, after that,
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  SPEAKER_0: and I think I mentioned on our program last week,
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  SPEAKER_0: and that IMPD was very pro,
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  SPEAKER_0: you know, using Flock cameras in the way that they were using them.
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  SPEAKER_0: After that,
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  SPEAKER_0: Chief Terry put out a statement saying that
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  SPEAKER_0: only can IMPD officers utilize footage
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  SPEAKER_0: from Flock or what they call automated license plate readers as if it's tied to
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  SPEAKER_0: a case.
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  SPEAKER_0: It's got to be tied to an active case.
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  SPEAKER_0: There has to be a number assigned to it.
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  SPEAKER_0: So she came out and clarified what the department's policy is going to be, at least now.
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  SPEAKER_0: And keep in mind, we're still waiting to get more definitive with the policy.
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  SPEAKER_0: And that's supposed to be forthcoming as well.
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  SPEAKER_0: And then they also put something out in that they're wanting the community to
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  SPEAKER_0: at least see here in writing,
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  SPEAKER_0: here is where they're at when it comes to automated license plate readers.
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  SPEAKER_0: In that, Mr.
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  SPEAKER_0: President,
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  SPEAKER_0: there are some things in which,
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  SPEAKER_0: you know,
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  SPEAKER_0: IMPD says, well,
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  SPEAKER_0: it's only used,
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  SPEAKER_0: you know, for camera shots, for license plates, and not a whole lot more.
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  SPEAKER_0: But I'm not sure that's really accurate from what I'm hearing from other sources.
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  SPEAKER_1: Well, no, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_1: this all started with,
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  SPEAKER_1: you know,
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  SPEAKER_1: them acknowledging they had an officer that was,
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_1: I can't forget the exact name, somewhere around a thousand times.
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  SPEAKER_1: And it was his girlfriend or ex-wife,
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  SPEAKER_1: some type of relationship, but clearly not business related, not crime related.
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  SPEAKER_1: And that was driven by one of our national media who's pulling data across the country.
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  SPEAKER_1: And because there's been a number of location cities where
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  SPEAKER_1: in national news are talking about why are these police officers chasing,
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  SPEAKER_1: you know,
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  SPEAKER_1: are using this technology basically for personal items,
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  SPEAKER_1: all of which was somewhat domestic related.
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  SPEAKER_1: And so that that's the real challenge.
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  SPEAKER_1: We understand that most officers aren't doing that,
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  SPEAKER_1: but you do have those officers who are who exploiting the technology
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  SPEAKER_1: for personal reasons.
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  SPEAKER_1: And you're going to have to address that in some way.
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  SPEAKER_1: I would also add that what's happened since Chief Terry talked about getting this
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  SPEAKER_1: before the General Orders Board,
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  SPEAKER_1: and they did not have quorum when they were to meet this week,
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  SPEAKER_1: so that didn't really happen.
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  SPEAKER_1: So they didn't move forward.
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  SPEAKER_1: I think they have an assembly member board, and only three members showed up.
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  SPEAKER_1: So they couldn't hear the proposal or weigh in on it.
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  SPEAKER_1: Which board
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  SPEAKER_0: was that?
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  SPEAKER_0: General Orders.
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  SPEAKER_0: The General Orders Board.
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  SPEAKER_1: Right.
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  SPEAKER_0: Many of the boards that are supposed to serve the citizens here
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  SPEAKER_0: in this fine city seem to be lacking representation and
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  SPEAKER_0: that we don't want things like that to halt progress.
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  SPEAKER_0: Then let's create a citizens board where we can have some input in that
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  SPEAKER_0: because I think it will be valuable input.
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  SPEAKER_0: Now I want
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  SPEAKER_0: to comment once again in what IMPD has put out and I've got it if you're
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_0: with us on Facebook, we've got it up on the screen here.
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  SPEAKER_0: What ALPRs do and how IMPD uses them,
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  SPEAKER_0: that's what this is and it gives us some FAQs and one of
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  SPEAKER_0: the FAQs says what is detected and what is not detected.
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  SPEAKER_0: It says here that ALPR captures license plates,
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  SPEAKER_0: vehicle characteristics such as make,
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  SPEAKER_0: model, color, and it logs the date, time, and location.
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  SPEAKER_0: It says they do not detect faces,
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  SPEAKER_0: gender, or race, and they don't track individuals or record video.
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  SPEAKER_0: They simply take a picture.
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  SPEAKER_0: Now, there was also a report that was just put out by the New Republic
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  SPEAKER_0: that they had actually a group that
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  SPEAKER_0: they actually got some of the Flock cameras and
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_0: then they looked into them.
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  SPEAKER_0: They actually hacked into them.
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  SPEAKER_0: Looked at the data that was in there and they noticed
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  SPEAKER_0: that it was some very detailed information that the Flock cameras were getting such
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_0: as a patch on a motorcyclist bag and that here's what they're doing with some of
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  SPEAKER_0: the data at least as being reported by the New Republic it says these images are
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  SPEAKER_0: then uploaded to Flock servers,
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  SPEAKER_0: sorted, filed, assessed for other identifying details
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  SPEAKER_0: and ultimately sold to police departments across the country.
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  SPEAKER_0: A business model that has catapulted the company to an $8.4 billion evaluation.
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  SPEAKER_1: Ah, so that's why they have the contract with that agency.
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  SPEAKER_1: That agency can provide you more than just quote unquote that picture they took.
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  SPEAKER_1: It's possible for that agency to capture all this other data, sort that for you.
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  SPEAKER_1: That would be, okay, from a law enforcement perspective, they would say that's very important.
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  SPEAKER_1: So we have to inquire what all is in that contract.
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  SPEAKER_0: Well, we know that, at least with IMPD's case, it's years.
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  SPEAKER_0: Years.
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  SPEAKER_0: You know,
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  SPEAKER_0: whether that's two,
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  SPEAKER_0: three, you know, four, whatever that is, we do know it was multiple years.
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  SPEAKER_1: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_1: So, you know, and it's still, I mean, we're still in the same spot.
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  SPEAKER_1: I know the chief has made this statement.
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  SPEAKER_1: And have you seen the FOP, the police union, are they supporting this?
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_0: Oh, the FOP definitely wants to have Flock cameras.
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  SPEAKER_1: Man, are they supporting Chief Terry's recommended use of it, is what I mean.
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  SPEAKER_1: I know they want Flock cameras.
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  SPEAKER_0: Oh, well, they don't want any restrictions.
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  SPEAKER_0: At least I've not heard that.
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  SPEAKER_1: That's exactly where I'm going.
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  SPEAKER_1: They're not going to want that.
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  SPEAKER_1: They want this other side of this.
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  SPEAKER_1: Identify any features, etc.
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  SPEAKER_1: That's what they're going to want.
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  SPEAKER_1: We, in terms of city of Indianapolis, has a contract now with the Flock organization, company.
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  SPEAKER_1: We need to, as citizens, understand what's in that contract.
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  SPEAKER_1: There's a difference between,
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  SPEAKER_1: here's a generic Flock camera usage, but it's like everything else.
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  SPEAKER_1: He's got optional features and all that.
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  SPEAKER_1: Well, how much of that are we tapping into?
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  SPEAKER_1: How much of this other things are we tapping into?
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  SPEAKER_0: Well, at least in regards to the cost.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_0: And if you'd like to be part of our conversation, you can call in.
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  SPEAKER_0: That number is 317-480-1310.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_0: Once again, 317-480-1310.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_0: And we do have a birthday wish for you from Gerrelian, Mr. President.
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  SPEAKER_1: Oh, thank you, Mr. G. All right.
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  SPEAKER_1: Shout out.
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  SPEAKER_0: So in regards to the funding, though,
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  SPEAKER_0: I don't recall how much,
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  SPEAKER_0: and it should have been a line item,
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  SPEAKER_0: at least in the budget that they're asking for, that should be in there.
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  SPEAKER_0: And I'm not sure if, I don't recall hearing that it was, but it would have to be.
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  SPEAKER_1: Well, it's probably buried in something under,
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_1: like, technology, so then it includes a number of things, right?
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  SPEAKER_1: It would include these Flock cameras, any other cameras, body cams, etc.
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  SPEAKER_1: They may not necessarily, quote unquote, split that out.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_1: If they don't have councils asking for it to be split out, you may not see it that way.
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  SPEAKER_1: So then it's grouped together under technology.
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  SPEAKER_1: Because you've got a number of technology things in here that do exist.
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  SPEAKER_1: So most likely they didn't want to,
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  SPEAKER_1: without pushback,
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  SPEAKER_1: somebody knows what the number is, but they don't necessarily expose it.
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  SPEAKER_1: It would be wrapped up in all the technology stuff.
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  SPEAKER_0: So one of the items there that is on our FAQs here from IMPD,
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  SPEAKER_0: the question is, does IMPD share data with outside agencies?
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  SPEAKER_0: It says, IMPD shares data with local and state law enforcement agencies.
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  SPEAKER_0: Federal agencies do not have access to.
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  SPEAKER_0: To IMPD's ALPR data.
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  SPEAKER_0: And while that's a statement and they may even believe that, I question that as well.
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  SPEAKER_0: I mean, when we know that someone else actually owns the data,
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  SPEAKER_0: I would venture to guess not knowing what their contract says you were talking
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  SPEAKER_0: about, Mr. President.
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  SPEAKER_0: But there's probably something in there that says that they own it and not,
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  SPEAKER_0: you know, the law enforcement agency.
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  SPEAKER_1: That's what my guess would be as well.
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  SPEAKER_1: And I was sure that they would want to share and states would want this, right?
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  SPEAKER_1: If somebody was traveling across boundaries, you want to know about that.
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  SPEAKER_1: You live up in Gary and they're traveling in Illinois and vice versa.
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  SPEAKER_1: You'd want to know that anybody is on the borders.
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  SPEAKER_1: And so that's where the value would be,
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  SPEAKER_1: you know,
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  SPEAKER_1: and so and I would think it would be standard for the organization collecting
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  SPEAKER_1: the information,
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  SPEAKER_1: hey, we want to be able to have flexibility to share this wherever we are.
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  SPEAKER_1: So unless our attorneys got in here and just really
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  SPEAKER_1: turned the contract upside down,
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  SPEAKER_1: which I highly doubt, then you're going to disagree to that.
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  SPEAKER_1: You're going to sign off on it because you want the information.
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  SPEAKER_1: If it was the shoe was on the other foot, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_1: the day and age where everybody can move around and travel,
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  SPEAKER_1: you know,
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  SPEAKER_1: it pays really to share because you never know when you're going to need information
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  SPEAKER_1: from another state.
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  SPEAKER_1: Because somebody drove into Indiana or drove from California or wherever.
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  SPEAKER_1: So it'd be kind of limiting to say, well,
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  SPEAKER_1: I don't want to play with everybody else,
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  SPEAKER_1: but clearly there's going to be times you're going to want their information.
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  SPEAKER_1: And I'm sure it doesn't work that way.
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  SPEAKER_1: I'm sure that this is at the core of one big old database
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  SPEAKER_1: that can potentially be shared directly.
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  SPEAKER_1: Across multiple entities,
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  SPEAKER_1: including the federal government,
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  SPEAKER_1: because they could just by the right of the federal government say,
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  SPEAKER_1: give me that stuff.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_1: I mean, hey, they're taking voter ID information, et cetera, right?
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  SPEAKER_1: So, you know,
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  SPEAKER_1: the thing that they're keeping this secret from the federal government,
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  SPEAKER_1: that's a little bit far reaching for me.
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  SPEAKER_0: So I've been sharing some information from a report from the New Republic.
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  SPEAKER_0: This article was written by Ellie Hodling and it's entitled,
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  SPEAKER_0: Hack Data Shows What Flock Cameras Really Record and It's Terrifying.
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  SPEAKER_0: To your point, Mr. President, it also says this to what you just said.
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  SPEAKER_0: It says even America's smallest cities are under close eye.
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  SPEAKER_0: The Flock cameras in Alpharetta,
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  SPEAKER_0: Georgia,
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  SPEAKER_0: which has a population of listen,
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  SPEAKER_0: 67,000 people,
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  SPEAKER_0: it says their Flock cameras are accessible to more than 2,000 agencies.
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  SPEAKER_1: Correct.
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  SPEAKER_0: So it says it includes police departments,
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  SPEAKER_0: colleges,
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  SPEAKER_0: airport,
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  SPEAKER_0: as well as the Federal General Services Administration Office of
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  SPEAKER_0: the Inspector General.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_0: Did I say federal and all that?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_1: Well, I mean, the thing about Indianapolis, we've got like Butler's guys on police force.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_1: The hospitals have their own police force.
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  SPEAKER_1: These people are going to want to share that information.
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  SPEAKER_1: If something jumps off,
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  SPEAKER_1: they're going to want to be able to utilize and have access
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  SPEAKER_1: to Flock camera information.
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  SPEAKER_1: That's just logical.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_1: And so I can't see, you know, somebody say, OK, we're not sharing.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_1: We're going to be sharing.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_1: And you're going to want access, and it's going to be twofold.
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  SPEAKER_1: Whether sometimes the person may start from,
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  SPEAKER_1: you know,
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  SPEAKER_1: Eskenazi Health or Community Health,
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  SPEAKER_1: it may start there, but it ends up on, you know, the east side of town.
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  SPEAKER_1: Well, you know, you're going to want all that data shared.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_1: You're not over here splitting hairs about, well,
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_1: this is just IMPD,
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_1: but if you went into Speedway, no, it disappeared, or Speedway can't see it.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_1: You got to think about it.
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  SPEAKER_1: I mean, even within Indianapolis, think about all the other law enforcement agencies.
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  SPEAKER_1: The schools, the universities have these.
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  SPEAKER_1: The hospitals have their own.
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  SPEAKER_1: Some of the small neighborhoods have their own.
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  SPEAKER_1: And so this has to be realistically like,
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  SPEAKER_1: well, everybody better be sharing this information if we got it in here.
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  SPEAKER_1: It'd be kind of strange to be like, well, just portions of it have
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  SPEAKER_1: it.
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  SPEAKER_1: I mean, overall, it just...
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_1: Doesn't logically make sense.
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  SPEAKER_1: Yeah, everybody might not be paying their fair share,
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_1: but those who say I'm playing in the Flock area,
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  SPEAKER_1: I think they would have access to it.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_1: That'd be a reason for Butler to sign up or Ivy Tech or IU or IUPUI.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_1: I mean, any of them.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_1: You're going to do it and you're going to have access to all these Flock cameras.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_1: If you're Lawrence,
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  SPEAKER_1: if you're Greenwood,
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  SPEAKER_1: if you're Southport,
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  SPEAKER_1: anything surrounding, Speedway, anything surrounding Indianapolis.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_1: That's why you're going to pay for it.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_1: So we can all play in here.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_1: If you're ultimately going to improve,
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_1: quote unquote,
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_1: public safety through this,
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  SPEAKER_1: it almost has to be that way across all the entities, state, local, federal.
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  SPEAKER_1: To say I'm excluding somebody, that doesn't even make sense to me.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_1: Not with this technology, which you, quote unquote, are trying to use it for.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_0: Well, let's chop it up what you just said,
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_0: you know, so people will even dive a little bit deeper into this.
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  SPEAKER_0: So as part of the FAQs that we have pulled up on the screen,
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  SPEAKER_0: it says there that IMPD currently leases 301 ALPRs.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_0: Now, everybody,
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  SPEAKER_0: remember,
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_0: if you were with us last week,
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  SPEAKER_0: when we had the D-Flock camera information for Indianapolis,
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_0: when you type in Indianapolis, there's over 600 Flock cameras.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_0: It says actually 627.
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  SPEAKER_0: So that being said, we got to ask ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_0: Who owns, you know, really?
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  SPEAKER_0: IMPD has less than half.
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  SPEAKER_0: Who is it owns all the other ones?
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_1: Well, and let's be real.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_1: I mean, state police own some.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_1: It means some of them, all them other entities I just mentioned, own some cameras as well.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_1: Because if you're near Butler, you want some cameras.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_1: If you're IUPUI, you want some cameras.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_1: If you're Ivy Tech, you're going to have one or two cameras around your campuses.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_1: And so that's going to add to the network.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_1: So IMPD.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_1: Are they telling you the truth at 301?
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_1: Yeah.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_1: But everybody else is in Marion County.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_1: Speedway, Lawrence, et cetera, Fishers.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_1: Everybody's as close to Marion County.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_1: Some people might want it just on the Marion County side,
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_1: tracking people coming in and out of Marion County,
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_1: coming into Hamilton County or Johnson County.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_1: So you're going to have a number of entities who play in this.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_1: And that's why we have 600 and some shown.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_1: That's part of that Flock network.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_1: Because you're not going to say, let me go be part of some other network.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_1: You'll be like, let's all play together.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_1: And I guarantee you they can see each other's information.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_1: IMPD just don't want to see 300 cameras.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_1: Not over 600 there.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_1: That doesn't make sense.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_1: They want to see all of them cameras.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_0: One thing, just understanding at least what the reporting is.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_0: You know, because none of them, you know, this is...
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_0: Too novel, really, for anyone to really know.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_0: All this stuff is new.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_0: But it's worth the discussions,
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_0: especially when you have one report that says,
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_0: hey, all this stuff is being uploaded, it's stored.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_0: Not only that, it's being sold.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_0: So it's like, well, wait a minute.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_0: Who's buying the data?
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_0: And can we even rely that it's just law enforcement agencies?
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_0: And what are they using it for?
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_0: So we have to go to our break.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_0: If you'd like to be part of the conversation, you can call into the radio station.
• 21:03
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• 21:08
  SPEAKER_0: Once again, 317-480-1310.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_0: We'll catch you on the other side of the break.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_0: You're listening to the Concerned Clergy Radio Show on Praise AM 1310,
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_0: 95.1 FM, Indy's Inspiration Station.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_0: If you'd like to be part of the program, you can call into the radio station at 317-480-1310.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_0: Once again, 317-480-1310.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_0: We're going to transition our conversation because there is a report,
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_0: another report out there in regards to where Indiana stands.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_0: In regards to early childhood education,
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_0: and I think it's something, Mr. President, that we need to be concerned about.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_0: When we're looking at this particular report,
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_0: it says that Indiana,
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_0: the state of Indiana, ranks 51st when it comes to early childhood education.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_0: This isn't anything new,
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_0: but certainly we know all the charter changes,
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_0: you know,
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_0: here in central Indiana,
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_0: what they're doing across the state, you know, how they're pooling funding.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_0: It's not a surprise to many of us that this is where we stand right now,
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_0: but it is still extremely disappointing.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_1: Reverend Alexander, as of last week, 518 child care programs had closed in Indiana.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_1: 518.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_0: Over the last year.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_1: Yes.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_1: So think about that.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_1: Where are all those children at now?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_1: Because let me tell you,
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_1: not only have 518 closed,
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_1: there's a number of others who are close to closing, contemplating closing.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_1: And what happened to those children?
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_1: Because they're not jumping in other daycares.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_1: That's not what's happening.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_1: And so we're falling behind as a state a lot of these kids are just home
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_1: or somebody's house babysitting themselves.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_1: They're not getting structured learning.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_1: You know,
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_1: maybe they're hanging out with great auntie,
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_1: great grandma or somebody, but they're not in a structured environment.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_1: And so that's why we're seeing the results that we're seeing.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_1: 518, you know, as of last week.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_1: So, when we went down this path of not funding that, we've extremely hurt our children.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_1: We've hurt the industry, you know, and I was talking to an individual yesterday.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_1: I can't even make sense of it from a financial standpoint because so many people,
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_1: organizations including state government,
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_1: the United Way, et cetera, invested in childcare facilities.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_1: You have a Paths to Quality process.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_1: You had staff in there to ensure certain things.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_1: You know,
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_1: United Way and others, Lilly, funded,
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_1: you know,
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_1: changes,
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_1: physical changes to buildings to comply and have the right resources to say,
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_1: okay, we're just going to kick all that to the curb and get rid of it.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_1: And really leave it down to, really,
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_1: if you're rich and you can afford it,
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_1: you'll go pay for it because you have the money to do it.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_1: Everybody else, though, is going to be made to suffer.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_1: And this is going to be very punitive to children who,
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_1: quote-unquote,
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_1: get to kindergarten or first grade and have never,
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_1: ever sat in a structured environment.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_1: But by third grade, though, they've got to pass as I read things.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_0: Exactly.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_1: Because if you don't, then you're going to get retained.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_1: And so it's so punitive and it's so sad,
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_1: Reverend Alexander,
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_1: when you look at this and say, now, this is happening across the state of Indiana.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_1: We can talk about the country.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_1: This is the state of Indiana.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_1: And we need to ask ourselves, what happened to all those kids?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_1: Where are they now?
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_1: Because I can tell you, they're not in another child care program.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_1: Because the vouchers, part of the reason it closes is that they didn't have vouchers.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_1: They weren't going to get -- parents weren't going to get money.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_1: And so even though they quote-unquote have opened the process,
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_1: it's been a very slow, long process that lacks a lot of information in it.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_1: So it's difficult.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_1: And so you've wasted a whole year for young people.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_0: Is there even a Paths to Quality track now at all?
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_1: The path still exists.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_1: But some of these facilities that closed were level three and level four facilities.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_1: I mean, so while it exists, the question is now, why would anybody go pursue it?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_1: Because until we come out,
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_1: hopefully in 2027,
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_1: which will be crucial,
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_1: is there going to be a commitment to addressing this and funding there?
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_1: Because if there is no funding,
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_1: the only thing you're going to see is that 518 number continue to climb.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_1: And there are legislators who feel like it shouldn't be funded.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_1: They feel like the rich people can do what they do.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_1: Everybody else is on their own, unfortunately.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_1: And so we're trying to have somewhat of a level playing field and give somebody an opportunity.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_1: But there are those who don't believe they should have an opportunity.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_1: So if you're born into poverty, they just say, tough luck.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_0: But they're really missing it because if you look at,
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_0: okay, 518 programs have closed in the last year, and that's September to September.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_0: If you just said there's an average of 50 children per program,
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_0: you know, use that as an average.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_0: You're talking about 25,000 children.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_1: Exactly.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_0: Almost 26,000.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_0: Exactly.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_0: Right now is only hovering around 30,000 students.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_0: So you're almost talking about an entire district of children,
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_0: which, well, when you really get down to it, IPS is the largest.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_0: So you're taking a district load of children, if you will, and that's what we're doing to them.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_0: Exactly.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_0: We're hurting their ability to even have a fair start.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_0: We got a caller...
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_0: We have Imhotep.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_0: Let's go ahead and bring him in.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_0: Imhotep?
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_2: All right, all right.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_2: Good evening.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_2: Thank you.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_2: Hello.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_2: Good evening to you.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_2: Great gentlemen, and thank you for taking my call.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_2: It's really painful when you consider that we have a society,
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_2: and you guys are shepherds of the club.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_2: You know,
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_2: I'm a student in the -- and I've just been a student all my life,
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_2: and so I just try to learn.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_2: And so when I listen to what you guys talk about,
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_2: and then we have everybody and politicians, and we've seen being Christian.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_2: That's all they do on Fox News and all these other networks,
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_2: Braun and Lieutenant Governor and everybody.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_2: They're all Christian.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_2: And being a Christian is not about the world.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_2: It's about indeed.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_2: What I was taught growing up when I was down there with the apostolics,
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_2: they said they judge a man by his works.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_2: So it's about the deeds you do.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_2: Words are good, but deeds are plenty.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_2: And the deeds of these administrations that we have in a lot of states,
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_2: my oldest children are in Florida,
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_2: my oldest son talks about how they can't get anything down there.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_2: I mean, no social help.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_2: I mean, you already know Florida schools are, you talk about being segregated.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_2: Man, it's really bad down there.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_2: And so, but they clicked on the Christian.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_2: My hurt is that we can see in the last week and a half,
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_2: and it's only after the labor of the situation,
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_2: but with the Lindsey Clancy case, you know, they dog out.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_2: [unclear] they're targeting him and talking about he can't pay his rent.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_2: Well, he'll be able to pay his rent now.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_2: He's got about $200,000 in the GoFundMe, and then he's going to sue NBC Boston for outing him.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_2: So he'll be all right now.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_2: But the point of the matter is that the conversation shifted,
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_2: and everybody forgot about the three children.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_2: The children.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_2: I thought the children's polls were what mattered.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_2: They're innocent, the children.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_2: Innocent children.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_2: That's what mattered.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_2: And when we see administrations and educational departments from the federal to
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_2: the state,
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_2: the states,
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_2: Massachusetts, I'll give credit to, and Wisconsin used to be really top tier.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_2: I think they're finally coming back.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_2: And then a few other states, maybe most East Coast, because Indiana slipped.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_2: But most, they don't care.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_2: So I don't want to,
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_2: I wish they would quit using that Christian label to hide behind
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_2: because you don't care about children.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_2: And you've got a war that's costing $40 billion a total the other day.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_2: Divide that amongst the 50 states and proportion it to population.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_2: You could take care of a whole lot of children with the price that we're spending in wars.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_0: So let's throw that out there.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_2: It's really shameful.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_2: But thank you for the platform.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_2: And we'll keep hammering at them as much as we can.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_2: Thank you.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_0: All right.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_0: Well, thank you.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_0: We have to go to our last break of the hour.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_0: If you'd like to be part of the conversation, you can call in.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_0: The number, 317-480-1310.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_0: Once again, 317-480-1310.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_0: We're going to continue this piece of the discussion when we come back from our break.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_0: Once again, we'll see you on the other side.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_0: You're listening to the Concerned Clergy Radio Show on Praise AM 1310,
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_0: 95.1 FM, Indy's Inspiration Station.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_0: When you look at the fact that 518 child care programs closed in Indiana over
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_0: the last year,
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_0: another way you can put it into perspective, Mr. President, is that's 10 a week.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_0: And there's nothing being done right now that is going to stop the bleeding.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_1: No, there's nothing on the best case now.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_1: I mean, this will continue through 2026.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_1: I'm sure most people will be waiting to see what the legislative session brings in 2027.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_1: And even with that, most likely whatever the changes will not take place until July of 2027.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_1: It's a budget year.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_1: So will legislators put money
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_1: in vouchers, et cetera, to continue this?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_1: So will it be like, hey,
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_1: because right now there's some money the governor released that's slow coming out,
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_1: but it's not long term.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_1: It's not repetitive.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_1: So that money is going to go away at the end of December.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_1: And so when we get into 2027, the question is, what's going to happen?
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_1: When legislators go back in session, will they be budgeting?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_1: And going to the governor saying, here's the deal.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_1: We're going to fund vouchers.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_1: We're going to do this for daycares, which is ultimately what we're going to do for children.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_1: Will we go do that?
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_1: Or will there be excuses?
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_1: And we don't do that.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_1: And the jury right now, it's 50-50.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_1: We don't know what's going to happen.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_1: We've heard the governor say he cares about children.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_1: And as Imhotep said, a lot of people say it.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_1: But their deeds, their actions don't line up with what they say.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_1: That's how we got in this boat.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_1: That's how the cuts happened.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_1: They'll say they love children and cut the program.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_1: They'll say they love seniors or whoever and cut Medicaid.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_1: I mean, so it ain't about the verbiage they're going to give out.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_1: It's about what are you literally going to do and how they're going to vote.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_1: Because this will have to have, right now it's a Republican majority.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_1: It'll probably still be a Republican majority.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_1: You won't be able to get it done without them.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_1: You will have to have Republicans saying, we care enough about children.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_1: We've got to stop the bleeding of this,
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_1: 10 a week roughly, and say we can't continue down this path.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_1: And this is what we're going to do to correct it to shift it.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_1: Will that happen or will that not happen?
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_0: You're asking them to admit that they're the ones that messed it up.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_0: All of the changes they've been making over the last 10, 20 years.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_0: Here's where we're at.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_0: We're 51st and they're going to come to us and say,
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_0: yeah, we made a mistake and here's what we're going to do.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_0: They're 10 toes down on this.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_0: And doing what they want.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_0: This charter school movement, here's what we have to do.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_0: Because this is all legislated.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_0: The changes, the cuts, none of them have been community driven.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_0: What a community said, hey, we want this money taken away.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_0: You've never heard any outcry on anything talking about where
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_0: the community is coming and saying, hey, we don't want the free lunches.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_0: We don't want, you know, the vouchers and, you know, the benefits and all of that.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_0: This is all legislators saying we're just going to take it away.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_1: We're just going to make sure that it's
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_0: all it is.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_0: And what we got to do, we got to vote them out.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_0: You got to bring in some that have the heart for the children.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_1: That's the thing that everybody needs to consider coming into November.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_1: You got to look at those type of things,
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_1: not at what somebody says on a commercial because they're subject to be lying.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_1: And so you got to say, hey, wait a minute, what are you doing about this?
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_1: Because everybody's impacted.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_1: I mean,
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_1: there's some people that can't work the job they want to work because they got
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_1: to take care of their kids.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_1: So it's impacting who's working on the job.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_1: All of that is impacted by it.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_1: We're losing on a number of fronts, you know, the job situation, the school situation.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_0: Evictions are at an all-time high.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_1: Evictions are at an all-time high.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_1: And you've got to remember, what happened to the staffs?
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_1: What happened to all these people that were working?
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_0: Exactly.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_0: Foreclosures are up.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_0: A lot of this has to be tied together.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_1: Yes, because they can't make it.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_1: I mean, most childcare workers,
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_1: if they lose their job,
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_1: they can't turn around and be like, okay, I'm going to be paying my rent, etc.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_1: They're not over here sitting with millions of dollars in the bank.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_1: That's not the kind of career field that pays that kind of money.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_1: And so you take 518 programs
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_1: closed, look how many staff is out of jobs.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_1: And what happened to those staff members?
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_1: Some of which you invested huge dollars in, getting CDAs, et cetera.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_1: And when you close this volume, they ain't got nowhere else to go.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_1: They can't take and say, well, I'll just go to this other daycare across the street.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_1: Nine times out of 10, that one closed too when it's that big a number.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_1: And so I don't think people think about the ramifications of it.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_1: It's impacting kids.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_1: It's impacting staff.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_1: It's impacting the community.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_1: It's impacting people who want to work and do certain things that don't have access
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_1: to childcare.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_1: So one, if it's a two-parent home, one, somebody got to stay home.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_1: One, somebody got to stay here and stay with the kids.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_1: So instead of that being a two-household working family, now it becomes one.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_1: So somebody got to stay home because they don't have the money to say,
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_1: okay, let me go pay this place.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_1: It's $500 a week.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_1: They don't have that kind of money,
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_1: and if they got two or three children,
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_1: next thing you know, that's over $1,000 a week, and they can't afford that.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_0: Exactly.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_0: Let's go ahead and bring in, we got Reverend Phillips.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_0: Are you there?
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_3: How are you doing?
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_0: Good evening.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_3: Yeah.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_3: Yeah, good evening.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_3: Can you hear me?
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_0: Yes.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_3: Yeah, I think...
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_3: You're right.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_3: And, uh, and, and, uh,
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_3: I was watching the news and, uh,
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_3: I think some of our state living here is not educated
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_3: and they, they, they,
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_3: they kind of see these people educated cause I don't think they understand
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_3: when they pass these bills and they just pass the bills and make it to put
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_3: the United States
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_3: down because they keep on passing these bills.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_3: And then I was watching the news
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_3: where they finish the shutdown -- the judge and
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_3: the deputy prosecutor.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_3: So I think these people are not educated and not thinking clearly.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_3: They just won't title because they see the benefit.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_0: All right.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_0: Well, thank you so much for calling, Reverend Phillips.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_0: All right.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_0: Thank you.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_0: Continue to listen.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_0: I think it's a little bit, I don't, I would not.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_0: Matter of fact, they're very educated, Mr. President.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_0: When you really look at it, they know the law in and out.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_0: They got a whole support staff of lawyers to help them for what they don't know.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_0: There's so much money that's tied into their decisions.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_0: It's not about them being uneducated.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_0: They're greedy.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_0: And they're on power trips.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_0: That's really what it comes down to.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_0: And they and it has they don't care anything about the people,
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_0: because when you look at it,
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_0: it's not like, OK,
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_0: Indiana is doing something that's unique or different when it's,
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_0: you know, compared to other Republican leaning states.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_0: No, they're all doing the same thing.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_0: All their people are suffering the same way.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_0: Any of them could say, hold on now, we're hurting my constituents as a Republican.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_0: That's not really happening.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_1: Well, the sad part of it is, though, there's a number of people suffering.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_1: So in the 518, they're not all in Indianapolis.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_0: They're in rural
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_1: areas.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_1: Across the state.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_1: So they vote against their own interests.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_1: They go and say, okay, I'm going to go over here because I think I'm just hurting...
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_1: Daycares on 38th and Post Road.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_1: No, you're hurting children across the board, across the horizon.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_1: And somebody's doing it on purpose.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_1: It's intentional.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_1: They can get away with it because greed is prevailing.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_1: And the only real choice, because you have to impact policy.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_1: There needs to be a clear message that we're not going to continue to put you back
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_1: in office and this is what you're delivering.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_1: I mean, some of this stuff like around education, et cetera.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_1: Bob Behning is the chair of the Education Committee.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_1: He's on the ballot this year.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_1: So when you look at education and where we're ranking.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_0: 51st.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_0: 51st.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_1: This is stuff that he's been behind.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_1: He's been there for over 20 years.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_1: He's been the leader.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_1: How do you justify putting him back in office,
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_1: because it can't be just because, well, I know his name, so let me put him back.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_1: Where's the consequences for this right here?
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_1: Because there ought to be consequences to that across the board.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_1: And when you can do this type of stuff,
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_1: Reverend Alexander,
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_1: and there are no consequences, that's what allows so much more of it to happen.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_1: And so then in Indiana, what we're known for is, look what we did, and we got away with it.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_1: And so other states, Mississippi, et cetera, is looking at this, oh, we can go do this too.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_1: And so there's fallout from that.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_1: When there ought to be consequences that says, hey,
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_1: wait a minute,
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_1: those people who worked in those places,
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_1: those people who own those business,
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_1: those parents who had children there, all that group should be saying, hold it.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_1: I ain't down with that.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_1: That's not even to my own personal benefit.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_1: Why in the heck would I put somebody back in office who was doing these things?
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_1: And some of which have a long history.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_1: So you can look and say it ain't like, well, maybe they're going to do better.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_1: They figured something out.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_1: You got people like Bob Behning has been there,
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_1: who's the chair of the education committee, who's behind all of this stuff.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_1: He's been here the whole rip.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_1: And there are no,
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_1: you would think,
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_1: well, aren't you going to hold somebody accountable for where our grades are?
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_1: Are we going to hold somebody accountable for where our education system is?
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_1: How do you keep awarding the person who was in charge of it and you look and say,
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_1: well, these numbers over here are terrible?
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_0: Well, no, then you blame it on the Black parents.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_0: Well, it's a parent issue.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_0: Now, wait a minute.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_0: This is the entire state where we rank 51st.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_0: Exactly.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_0: If that doesn't send a message, I don't know what does.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_0: And this is the whole state where 518 child care programs close.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_0: You know, like you said, rural areas as well.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_0: We need to wake up.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_0: I mean, folks really need to wake up.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_0: And I think, Mr.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_0: President,
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_0: we have a good opportunity to do it because even though this time last year,
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_0: you know,
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_0: the fight was all about redistricting all over the place here in the United States.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_0: I'm not sure all the effort and the money that was spent in that,
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_0: it's certainly my hope,
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_0: but I'm not sure that that's going to go the way they anticipated because there's
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_0: so many people that are upset and want to change.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_1: It very well could blow up in your face because you have impacted a ton of families.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_1: A ton of families,
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_1: whether it's the ones that work there,
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_1: cleaned up there, whatever their job was, to the parents who were taking kids there.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_1: They still, they got to have a place to take their children.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_1: And so unless you're just rich, okay, then,
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_1: but that's not a solution to say,
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_1: okay, everybody's rich is going to be here and everybody else is on this other side.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_1: And, you know, we ain't going to try to help you make it.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_1: Well, that's a rough world to
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_1: live in.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_1: I don't think you're going to like and appreciate it as you go up the chain
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_1: and things happen because you don't know how that's all going to play out
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_1: because you can't keep people secluded from one another.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_1: Eventually, they're going to be crossing paths.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_1: I think sometimes people lose sight of that.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_1: You really want to invest in our children.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_1: You ought to care about our children and try to make it as close as possible as possible.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_1: A level playing field and give people opportunity.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_1: And I'm with Gerrelian.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_1: And Black people, we better wake up.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_1: This thing is real.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_1: This thing got real with me.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_1: Some of the even the larger Black level four facilities in Indianapolis are closing up.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_1: They're closing shop.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_1: They're saying, hey, man, we out of this business.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_0: Well, and it's not like it's not like you had certain
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_0: places that now are just overflowing.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_0: It's not like they're landing in other daycare places or schooling.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_0: They're not going there.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_0: It's not like somebody else is saying, we've just grown so much.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_0: Everybody's numbers are going
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_1: down.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_1: Because there's no vouchers there.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_1: The reality is, if that parent don't have a voucher, they ain't going nowhere.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_1: Because they can't afford it.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_1: If I'm here needing a voucher,
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_1: and you're not giving out vouchers,
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_1: and we spend almost a year not giving out a single voucher,
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_1: you drove these businesses in the ground,
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_1: literally, and you just drove them out of business.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_1: And if you're not going to say,
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_1: in order to really make this work,
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_1: the legislators will have to come back and say, we're all in.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_1: Here's a budget.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_1: For 27, 28, we will continue to fund early childhood education.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_1: We're committed to it.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_1: We're going to pass the quality, whatever, and throw resources behind.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_1: If you don't hear that,
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_1: you don't see that,
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_1: then on this other side,
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_1: we're all in trouble because you got to be like, is this going to make it or not?
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_1: Because if you're not with some facilities,
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_1: has a number of rich clients, per se, where they can just pay cash.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_1: You can make it, but everybody that's counting on vouchers, you won't be able to make it.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_1: Because we're going to need to know.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_1: I think,
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_1: you know,
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_1: if you want people engaged in this industry,
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_1: you're going to have to be like,
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_1: we're going to take care of people who are working in this industry.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_1: The teachers, et cetera, and they're going to be vouchers.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_1: And it's not a one-time fit.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_1: Now, y'all come back and ask us again January of 2028.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_1: We'll think about it.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_1: We need a commitment.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_1: You need something that's going to be sustainable.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_1: And they need to demonstrate that.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_1: The governor, as well as those legislators, need to demonstrate it with their action.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_1: And they got to say they're concerned about kids.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_1: We're committed to this.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_1: We're not going to be 51st.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_1: We're going to improve.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_1: Here's what we're going to do to get this up.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_1: We got to hear that type of message.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_1: If there's no messaging around it, then I think it's business as usual, which will not be good.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_1: That 518 will just continue to grow.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_0: Well, there's nothing stopping it now.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_0: And if anything,
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_0: and because you talked about it earlier,
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_0: we cannot wait on this because we're going to lose a generation.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_0: Very quickly, they'll be in the third grade, okay?
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_0: And they'll have to take these standardized tests.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_0: And it won't just be Black youth that will be failing.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_0: It's going to be a whole lot of children.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_0: Across the state.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_0: Across the state.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_0: So we're going to stop right there.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_0: We certainly want to wish our president happy birthday once again.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_0: Appreciate you for hanging out with us on your birthday evening.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_0: You know, the way folks do it now, they take the whole month off for their birthdays.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_0: I hear you.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_0: But I heard you a couple times on Praise AM 1310 today.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_0: So thanks for hanging out.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_0: Certainly wish you the best.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_0: Enjoy.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_0: And for all of you that were part of the program by listening or calling,
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_0: we hope you have a blessed week.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_0: Have a good one.
• 50:26
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