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Guest Hypnotist Turan Mirza on the Power of Street Hypnosis · The Hypnotist

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Hi, it's Adam here. And on today's episode of The
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Hypnotist again, it won't be me being your hypnotist.
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We have a guest hypnotist. I'm very fortunate to be joined
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by Turin Mirza. Welcome to the show, Turin.
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Good morning. Welcome.
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Welcome. Glad to be here.
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Great to have you here. So one of the things I found
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fascinating meeting so many different hypnotherapists is
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that there's very different reasons why people get into this
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world of hypnosis and and hypnotherapy.
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So tell us a little bit about you, your background, and how
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you gravitated to this world we call hypnosis.
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Indeed, indeed, we're all started when I was born.
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I won't go that far back. What I was for 27 years, I was a
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software engineer. I became a software manager and
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a director of engineering for a major technology company working
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from telecoms into the oil and gas sector.
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And in parallel to that, along that way, by 2010, well probably
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before 2010, I would, I used to do what I call silly dad magic
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for my kids. You know, the usual, oh, where'd
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that come from behind your ear? Nothing that I would probably no
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sort of magic tricks I would do in front of other people.
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Just just I'll say the phrase inflected on the children and I
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saw it was actually Darren Bryan an episode, Darren Brown, a
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couple of shows, Darren Brown. And I thought, well, I could do
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that on the kids. Now, at the time, I thought it
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was a magic trick, and so I started just Googling them.
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We're talking 2010, when when the Internet, if you were even
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born, Adam, the Internet was in its infancy and took me a time
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to figure out that this is actually a thing called
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hypnosis. And like most people, I don't
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know if the most people include your audience, but like most
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people, you know what this doesn't really, it's just
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compliance. It's just playing along.
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This stuff isn't real. So I read up on it and read up
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on it. And I said to myself, you know,
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something's missing here. You know what?
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What's the trick? You know, they tell me on these
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books how to do it, but it can't be that easy.
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There must be something I'm missing.
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So I went on a an inductions training course with a lovely
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guy called James Tripp. And during that time, I say the
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phrase I learned everything, but I learned nothing and no and
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went no way and insulted James. James was a brilliant trainer.
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But I realized, I mean, I did learn a lot of things with that.
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They just coining a phrase there.
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But I learnt I did know how to do this stuff.
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And obviously we practiced during the training course and
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on the IT was in, he was in England at the time.
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I think he's now in Edinburgh in Scotland.
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But so I was flying home from Stansted back to Belfast, and I
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hypnotized my first person at the airport in the Dixon's
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travel shop. And from there, that's where
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that's where life changed. I started off just going out in
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the streets of Belfast and hypnotizing people again, just
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as a curiosity, just as a hobby to understand how this works and
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to really get to grips with it. And I learned so much from that
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street hypnosis experience. And then people sort of came up
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to me and said, here, you've just made him forget his name.
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You know, I just stick people's feet to the floor, make give
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them a name, amnesia that couldn't say their name.
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Somebody came up and said, you, you may not forget his name.
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Can you make me forget I smoke. And at that time, you know, I
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focused on just getting people into hypnosis.
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I hadn't overly studying the therapeutic side of things, but
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I thought, well, I can make people forget their names.
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We've been doing it for months. And you know, by that time,
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probably done 20-30, maybe 100 people.
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I know I lost kind of that stage and I give it a go and the guy
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stopped and the rest again I say is his history.
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From there I just. Tell us about that first, that
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first time in Dixon's because I think, you know, I've I've done
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some St. hypnosis and and it is a daunting thing when you've
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never done it before to go up to a stranger.
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And you know, because a lot of it is is based on the premise
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and is based on the intent and the congruency and all those
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kind of things. So tell us about that, that very
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first experience. I, I, I know you said it's, it's
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a daunting thing, but I think maybe, maybe it was because the
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timing was right. I've just come from two days
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training and practicing. I mean, say the first time
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hepatitizing someone outside of the classroom, practiced various
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things in the classroom. I had a hire car, drove back to
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the airport, parked the car came in and I went into as again,
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it'll be sexist taste, probably a sexist thing to say.
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Us men going in and looking at the laptops and the cameras and
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Dixon's travel store and in the airports.
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I'm sure lots of women do that as well.
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But anyway, and I was chatting with one of the girls that the
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sales assistants and it was like 8:00 at night and I thought,
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God, you know, this place is empty.
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And as I walked away and walked out of the store, I thought, you
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know what, I should have hypnotized, you know, I should
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have practiced because they look bored.
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So, and, and to be, I mean, you just talk about daunting.
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I sort of almost said it's not really daunting, but I, you
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know, I was all fired up and excited with my new toy.
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And so I said right, I'm going to I'm going to go back in and
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I've no other customers are in the room.
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I will hypnotize one of the sales assistant.
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Now sounds very easy, but I walked around very slowly giving
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lots of people time to go into Dixons so I wouldn't have to do
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it. Walked around the whole of the
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San Jose airport, went back in the Dixons, not a sore, but the
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girl I've been talking to disappeared and there's two
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fellas. So again, stereotypical.
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Walked up to them, standing next to the cameras and building a
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bit of rapport, said so which one's better?
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Canon and Econ and stuff and had a bit of a chat about cameras.
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And then I and I put up the Curry, say I usually bored.
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And they said, yeah, you know, 8:00 at night and a Sunday
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night, not a lot of people come in.
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I said, do you want to see some entertainment?
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They said, why, what do you do? I said I'm a hypnotist, I can
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hypnotize you, which outside of the classroom technically wasn't
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true because I've never hypnotized anybody before.
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And in good macho style, they said, oh, do her over there.
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And the girl that I'd been speaking to before appeared, I
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don't know where she was, in the staff room or something.
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She just caught in my eye. And then they shouted across, he
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wants to hypnotize you. And she says, yeah, OK, I'll
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have a go. So I did a simple hand stick.
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I stuck her hand to the table. And then I took her hand and put
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it on her head. And she couldn't move her hand
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from her head and well, the rest is history.
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Now, I will say I remember her name only because her name's the
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same name as my daughter. Her name was Zara and my
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daughter's name is Zara. So that that was that's the
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moment. Obviously, if that had of went
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terribly wrong, I probably would have never hypnotized anybody
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again and still be writing software and managing software
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engineers and stuff. But that, that was the catalyst
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that all changed that. Day.
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Yeah, and I think it's a, you know, in in the magic world,
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they say, you know, you can't really talk about like the
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tricks and the secrets. You know, there's that kind of a
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code. I think it is worth exploring
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one thing that I find fascinating, and that is this
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kind of, I look at it as two circles of a Venn diagram.
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There's this kind of real hypnotic phenomenon.
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And then there's things that aren't necessarily hypnosis, but
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can be great convinces of something that they can't
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explain, which then can facilitate some of the other
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forms of hypnosis. So when we look at things like
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magnetic fingers or arm levitation and, and, and things
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like that, not all of it is the hypnotic suggestion.
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Some of it is the mechanics of the body position and, and other
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things. Do you, do you have certain
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things when you're doing St. Hypnosis to give you an easy
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win, to give you a convincer, let's say for the for the person
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you're working with. Well, I, I can't, I'm a great
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believer in hypnosis itself. So I will do the magnetic
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fingers, but I'll, I'll reserve it.
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Put it this way, you know, one of the great things I've learned
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from, you know, St. Hypnosis is, is the failures,
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you know, and, and the one, the reason I, I, I speak a lot about
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St. hypnosis and advocate that hypnotherapists should learn St.
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hypnosis is because in, in a therapy room, you're going to go
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slow, you're going to go structured, stay safe.
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Maybe read a script to make sure you get it right, but you're
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losing out in a lot of spontaneity, you know, So if I,
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if I do an induction and it doesn't work and I do another
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induction that doesn't work, then I'll do genetic fingers
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because I know, as you say, that's not necessarily
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completely hypnotic, but very much on, on the tendons and
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whatever else. And, and if the fingers stay
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apart after about 5 minutes, probably exaggerating there, you
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know, I know why the other 10 inductions didn't work.
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It wasn't me doing something wrong.
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It was they, they were worried and they were resistive there
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because the fingers will come together, you know.
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So I'll never go for the easy one.
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I'll use that as the check to see why the other things didn't
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work. Yeah.
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So I'll maybe do a hand to face induction or, you know, magnetic
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hands coming together type induction.
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And if that doesn't work, I'll say right now put your fingers
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up like this here and, and, and clasp and you'll see the fingers
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nice and tight together. So, you know, the tendons are
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straining. And if the fingers stay apart,
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all right, they don't want this. Yeah.
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And you don't want you don't want to have that in the therapy
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room, but but your understanding that helps me understand people
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and help me understand hypnosis. So I don't know if that answers
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the question, but. No, it does, but it's not as a
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primary. Yeah.
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I think also sometimes information is coming back all
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the time. So if they are very resistant,
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then there might be that polarity response and they're
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getting their significance from being the one that can't be
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hypnotized. And I remember you used to do,
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you know, it really kind of resonated with me when you said
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that, you know, you called yourself a hypnotist when you
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hadn't hypnotized anyone at that point.
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And a few years ago, I, I volunteered to be a hypnotist
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for a spider phobia workshop. And the premise was I would come
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in, hypnotize a room full of people and they'd be holding
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tarantulas afterwards. But I'd never done that before.
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I'd never worked with a single phobia client, but I just had
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this kind of deep conviction. It wasn't daunting for me at
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all. It was just kind of like, I can
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do this, it won't be a problem. And, and I did the, the, the
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session and they were all holding tarantulas and holding
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spiders at the end. And I thought, wow, I can do
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this. It was kind of like a, a
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convincer for me more than than anyone else.
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But when I was doing these kind of group hypnosis sessions,
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there was this thing that I found really useful and I would
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do the, the kind of the book and balloon kind of deepener and,
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and that kind of stuff. But I, I had this phrase because
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at the end they would, they would kind of look at their
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hands and some people would be like really wide apart and some
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people would be quite close together.
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And then I had this, I had this line, which was, and the key
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thing is that hypnosis is suggestion.
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So the key thing isn't how much your arms are moved apart, is
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the fact that they're up there to begin with.
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And that, that was kind of like a real kind of twist for them
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because they were like, yeah, I followed that suggestion, you
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know, completely. And my, my hands were, you know,
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kind of there, how far apart was almost kind of insignificant.
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But it was always good when they saw that kind of massive
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difference in, in style. So we're, we're both at the
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Irish Hypnotherapy Conference in, in Dublin in April and
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you're going to be talking about St.
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Hypnosis and in particular how St.
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Hypnosis can help hypnotherapists.
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I get a sense that confidence is one of those things that is
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going to give hypnotherapist. What are the other benefits of
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hypnotherapist learning some of the the street techniques?
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It's about confidence. It's about knowing your intent.
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When I talk to a lot of therapists or even, you know,
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lay people don't know anything about hypnosis and they say, oh,
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you know, will it work? You know, you've got to believe.
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I mean, it's probably linked to confidence in a way, but it's #1
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having that confidence know this stuff works.
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Usually use another S word for that.
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The stuff works. I'll say it today, but and and
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and also once, once you know, it works, just facing someone
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saying I'm going to hypnotize you today and having that intent
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and that unquestionable intent, you know, and you know, as you
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heard from from my passion about how I learned and just going out
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in the streets. I went out in the streets of
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Belfast here. I went to my my first
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convention. This is why I think the the
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Irish 1 is so such a beautiful one.
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Back in 2015 was my first hypnosis convention in Las Vegas
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hit my thoughts live and you also went out in the streets of
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Las Vegas and hypnotized. There have been streets of
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London, streets of Edinburgh, whatever, hypnotizing people
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and, and I gained so much from street hypnosis.
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And as my journey describes, you know, I did that before I went
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to the therapy that I use a lot of the tools and use a lot of
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techniques. As you talk about calibration
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constantly, you know, giving, you know, compliance
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instructions, you know, you know, sit there can just put
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your feet flat on the floor. People don't have to have their
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feet flat on the floor to be hypnotized.
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But it's just looking for that compliance and calibrating
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completely. So it's feeding all that
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information across and showing the parallelisms because and we
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were chatting just a few seconds before the, the the mic went
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live about, you know, traditionally some trainers are
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not black and everyone by by this, some trainers will say,
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you know, well, you don't want to do that entertainment stuff.
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It will Clyde the professional hypnotherapy.
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We're working with depressions and anxieties, post traumatic
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traumas. You know, we don't want to do
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that entertainment stuff. I find it's helped me so much.
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I know, you know, liver training on St. hypnosis type of
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therapists and they gain so much more insights into their therapy
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work. It's not about training them to
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do to go out and do every week and start charging for street
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hypnosis. It's about, you know, the the
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nuances and the skills you gain from doing St. hypnosis that
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will help your therapeutic practice.
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So rather than saying oh distance yourself from it, you
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should be. Connecting with it, yeah.
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And I think it's probably worth just because there's a lot of
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people that listen that love hypnosis but don't necessarily
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never been taught hypnotherapy or hypnosis and those kind of
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things. So it might be worth defining
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the difference between stage hypnother, stage hypnosis.
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Most people get that hypnotherapy is for therapeutic
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change, stage hypnosis and St. hypnosis though there might be a
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distinction. They're useful for the the
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listeners at this point. To to be honest, there's,
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there's very little difference, which again surprises people.
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So stage hypnosis is what I would say is be pre planned,
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premeditated. That sounds like you're going to
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murder somebody, right? Pre planned.
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OK, so I, I will put up a poster saying I'm in the town hall in
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two weeks time and people start buying tickets and say, oh, I'm
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going to hypnotist in two weeks time.
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Oh, and next week is the hypnotist.
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Oh, tomorrow night I'm going to the hypnotist.
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And during that process they're already hypnotizing themselves.
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They're saying, oh, I think I'll go up the stage.
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No, I think I'll just watch, you know, but my husband's going to
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go up the stage and my wife's going to go up on the stage.
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There'll be all this pre talk on their own minds building up to
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it. So it's all pre plan and again,
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they'll generally be a large audience, umm and and several
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people coming up on stage, maybe 6, maybe 12 people depending on
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the audience size and the and the stage size and whatever.
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St. Hypnosis on the other hand is
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you probably are heading on your way to Belfast, to Dublin, to
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Manchester, wherever you are, you live, you know, no intent.
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You need to get something from Marks and Spencer's or just
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going out for a bit of window shopping for the day.
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No thought of being hypnotized. Didn't realize there was going
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to be a hypnotist wandering around the streets and somebody
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bumps in and you say have you got 5 minutes?
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I'd just love to show you something wonderful about your
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mind. I'm doing some entertainment
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today and you go, what is it? Oh, I'm a hypnotist.
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Oh, OK, give it a go. So it's very impromptu.
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The audience generally is one other person that the person you
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were were walking with your wife, your husband, your, your,
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your, your friends, whatever wandering around the town.
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So it, it's, it's a lot more personal, it's a lot more
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impromptu. And it, it has, it has 2 two
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sides to it #1 if you're doing a stage show and things just don't
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go too well, you know, you, you've, you've disappointed a
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whole audience that's been waiting two weeks to see it.
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If I, if I hypnotize someone out in the streets and they weren't
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expecting to see me, if it doesn't go right, well, one
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audience member got, gets disappointed, maybe the subject
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themselves get disappointed and, and that's it.
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It's over. So everybody always says to me,
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you know, oh, street house is very hard because bang, there's
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no pre talk in their mind. 2 two minutes ago they were walking
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along. Next minute they're being
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hypnotized. That takes a lot of, you know,
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power, but lots of lot of skill to do that.
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Again, if you have that confidence, if you have that
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intent, it will work. But hypnosis isn't like the
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movies, as we always say. It's you're, we're not taking
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control of somebody's mind. We're not making them do
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something they don't want to do. If they might say, yeah, I'll
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have a go. But they sort of have their nose
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scrunched up, you know, I'll have a go.
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And again, we're calibrating. We're reading their facial
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expression, reading how their shoulders are hunched.
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And you're saying, well, I don't think this guy really wants it,
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but I'm prepared to to give it a go because I have that intent
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and have that confidence. And sometimes it won't work, not
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because I'm a bad hit, but just not because he's a bad subject
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or she's a bad subject. It's just the moment wasn't
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right, the rapport wasn't there. And I've got a beautiful video.
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I've got a, a YouTube channel. There's about 730 videos, 1.4
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million views on YouTube. But the one I I love most, I
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love them all like but I walked up to a guy.
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This was at a. Queen's University in Belfast
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has a like a Comic Con type event.
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It's a anime costume event. So that the if you watch the
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video, they're all dressed up. One guy's dressed up as a
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stormtrooper and I try to hypnotize him and his girlfriend
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and it bombs. They don't get there's, there's
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the the girl sort of goes into hypnosis, but she pops out very
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quickly before he could do any skits and they walk away.
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And if that's the only bit of the video you see, you'll think,
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oh, he's a rubbish hypnotist. They are all and or he and the
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the boy and girl are, are terrible subjects.
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But then 42 minutes and I know it's 42 minutes because I, I
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constantly audio record, but only video record when somebody
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gives me permission to come on camera.
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So the audio was 42 minutes later, he comes up to me again
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and says I want to give it another go.
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And I hypnotize him. I stick his feet to the floor
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and make him forget his name. He's a perfect subject and I
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love that video because it shows that hey, I was a great
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hepatist, but it but it failed the first time because the magic
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wasn't there. The the moment wasn't there.
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Maybe he thought I was going to pickpocket his his wallet.
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Maybe he thought I was making going to clock like a chicken
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and do something silly. But then he'd watched me do the
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other people. So he thought, oh, I like what
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he's doing there. I do want to have a go.
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So when he came up that that the moment was different, it was the
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same hypnotist 42 minutes apart, Harley, not even an hour, same
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same subject, but the hypnosis was totally different.
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And that's very empowering, you know, So I don't mind things
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going wrong. And that rarely happens.
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If somebody comes back, if something bombs like that there,
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they don't come back. And you think go home, terrible
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hypnotist. But it's, it's, it's having that
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confidence to know that bond, but you know, something wasn't
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right. Yeah, I, I think that's a really
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important thing because a lot of the time people are afraid to
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try something in case they fail. And and then even if they did it
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because they've got that fear, it's tentative, they're not
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being concruent. The the intention lacks that
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kind of, you know, kind of you're not projecting that
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confidence to the, the, the participant.
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But, but I've always had this thought.
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Not always actually. I used to be terrified of, of
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taking risks and doing new things.
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But now these days, I have this belief that in when you try
22:36
things, you either win or you learn, It either goes the way
22:38
you want it to go, where you're going to get some form of
22:42
insight back. Even if what you learn is
22:45
doesn't happen all the time, doesn't need to, you know,
22:48
you're still getting something, something back to run.
22:51
How important is it when you do St. hypnosis that you
22:55
communicate? I'm a hypnotist.
22:57
I'm going to hypnotize you. And does it work if you don't
23:00
have that? Because in a in a way that's a
23:02
really condensed pre talk, in a in a way it sets up an
23:05
expectation. Yes, you know that there's a
23:09
large part of my YouTube channel over the years.
23:11
So in the early days it was just uploaded videos.
23:14
Nowadays what I will do is upload maybe a 4 minute clip and
23:18
then I'll talk about what happened in that clip.
23:20
So it's like a tutorial. And again, like I say, I, I, I,
23:26
I have a mic and it's constantly recording and just in terms of
23:31
saving battery space and, and, and memory card space on the
23:34
camera, I only record when somebody says, yes, I'm happy
23:36
enough to be videoed nowadays on the videos, I will play the
23:41
audio with a still, you know, frame to listen to my walk up so
23:47
that people understand how many, how many minutes, how many
23:50
hours. You know people say, ah, but
23:51
they you hypnotized them before the camera was turned on.
23:55
You will hear me walk up to someone and within 30 seconds,
23:58
36 seconds, something like that there, I'll say hi.
24:00
I'm doing some straight hypnosis today.
24:01
Would you like to be you're hypnotized?
24:03
Yes. OK.
24:04
Do you mind every video? Yes.
24:05
And the camera goes on and I'm straight into an induction.
24:09
No other pre talk. Now I'm there with a camera
24:12
person, right. It's not a big broadcast camera.
24:17
It's just a little camcorder. But I can get a camcorder on
24:19
somebody standing there with a mobile phone.
24:23
They've they've got a a monopod. So it looks, you know, a piece
24:27
of technical equipment I have AT shirt that says hypnotist in the
24:30
back, which they don't always see in the back of me because
24:32
I'm walking up to them. But it says feel good hypnosis,
24:34
which is my trading name, my branding name.
24:38
So I'm there and I'm confident. Hi, I'm here to do some
24:41
entertainment. Would you like to be hypnotized
24:43
today? And I'm saying that knowing I'm
24:46
going about to hypnotize you, that's my intent inside me.
24:49
If they say, oh, sorry, no. And a lot of people do.
24:52
And again, that's part of, I think the learning process for
24:55
hypotherapists is getting that rejection.
24:58
But it's not rejection. Some people just don't want to
25:00
be hypnotized. Or maybe if it's in a, you know,
25:02
in a, in a busy St. somebody snapped out for lunch to grab
25:06
some sandwiches, get back to work in half an hour.
25:08
They don't have time. So you ask people and they say,
25:11
sorry, no, but you just don't, you know, you look down at the
25:14
ground to see if that hole opens up and swallows you and it
25:16
doesn't. And when that hole doesn't
25:19
appear, you, you get that confidence in itself to just ask
25:22
somebody else. Oh, well, you know, it's not a
25:24
failure. Sometimes, as they say, you'll
25:26
do an induction and it just doesn't, you know, click again,
25:31
that hole doesn't appear. And that builds that confidence
25:34
that when you do hypnotize people, you just go.
25:38
And the, the first one, I mean, that stormtrooper was probably
25:40
the first one of the day. So he hadn't seen me do anybody
25:42
else. After a while, as he did, other
25:45
people will come up. I mean, I, I did a, a Christmas
25:51
solopreneurs lunch last week, whereas lots of entrepreneurs,
25:57
solopreneurs, you know, got together for lunch and as you
26:01
do, did some hypnosis at the party.
26:04
And I'm doing another lunch next week.
26:08
And somebody in a comment on LinkedIn said, oh, you're going
26:10
to be doing some hypnosis then. I would love to see it.
26:13
So already giving any requests to do more impromptu hypnosis at
26:19
that event. So let's see how it goes.
26:22
I'm confident to do it. Yeah, amazing.
26:25
Same with networking situations. Again, in terms of the
26:27
hypnotherapy, it's not just for the hypnotherapy side of it, but
26:30
as hypnotherapists, one of the things that I recommend helped
26:34
me, well, my business with networking, you know, and again,
26:40
being able to stand up and say, right, I'm going to do a demo
26:42
here. Best way to understand how
26:44
hypnosis works is the demo can have a lot of subject and have
26:47
somebody come up the front and just hypnotize them.
26:49
And again, you can't spend 20 minutes doing a progressive
26:52
muscle relaxation. You'll bore the audience.
26:54
So you have to do something quick as you do in St.
26:56
Hypnosis. And when people say, wow, that
27:01
really works, then you get the referrals.
27:06
So it's part of the hypnotherapy business, maybe not directly
27:10
related to in the session, but St.
27:12
Hypnosis and having that confidence in a room of 20
27:15
people to say, right, do you want to see a demo?
27:19
You know, where there was one time where where was, you know,
27:22
standing up doing my 62nd pitch and people were in throgs.
27:25
They never met a hypnotist before.
27:27
And somebody just says, can you hypnotize me now?
27:29
And I said yeah. And they went, oh, no, thanks.
27:34
But they'd already felt that confidence to me.
27:37
Yeah. Do you want to do it now?
27:38
Let's do it now. And and, you know, I believe
27:40
that was felt in the room. I was there.
27:42
I was ready to do it now. They backed down.
27:44
No, no, just asking. Yeah, they said they were
27:48
chicken around. They just didn't expect that
27:51
answer, you know, because a lot of hypnotherapists will say, can
27:54
you advertise me now at a party or the networking event?
27:57
Well, probably now he's not the right place.
27:59
But if you want to come next Wednesday, but 2:00, you come
28:02
around and give you a little mini session, a little taster.
28:06
The moment's lost in my mind anyway, saying yes, let's do it,
28:10
and then having other people see it and they go, wow.
28:14
And what is an ideal thing to do in that kind of situation?
28:18
Let's say a hypnotherapist listening, they've not done much
28:21
stage or or street hypnosis or rapid inductions before.
28:24
What's a great thing to do that may be fairly easy to learn if
28:29
you have got that conviction, that confidence?
28:31
What's a good thing to do as a as a demo?
28:34
Well, yeah, I'm going to lead into that with another story
28:37
because I taught my son how to do it and, and I did that, umm,
28:43
leading into another story now, but a bit of Ericssonian stuff
28:46
here. Umm, so shortly after I'd learnt
28:51
umm, and this was, you know, on Christmas Day.
28:54
No, I, my, my sister-in-law was around for Christmas dinner.
28:59
And my sister-in-law is probably shouldn't be saying this on a
29:01
podcast for eternity, but umm, my sister in And I don't know if
29:08
you know any twins, but, umm, my, my sister-in-law, you know,
29:14
would would say anything to contradict me if I said, oh,
29:18
it's looking quite dark right there.
29:19
No, it's light. You know, it's getting a bit
29:22
cold out. No, it's warm enough.
29:24
You know, she would never say anything to please me.
29:28
And so I hypnotized her on Christmas Day.
29:32
And my son, you know, up until then had thought this people are
29:37
just playing along with you that that that this is not real
29:39
hypnosis, you know, they're just being compliant and being nice
29:43
to you. But he knew Catherine wouldn't
29:46
do anything just to be nice. So, so when I hypnotized her and
29:50
she couldn't speak and I hypnotized her to forget the
29:53
number seven, he went, this stuff is real.
29:59
So he came out with me. And when I talked about camera
30:03
patient, a lot of times he'll come out, he'll hypnotize
30:05
someone and I'll video him and then vice versa.
30:08
He'll be my camera person. He was actually the one that
30:11
started the YouTube channel. And so I said to him, you know,
30:18
I've got to stop sticking people's feet to the floor, you
30:20
know, because I'm doing that for everyone.
30:24
And it was him, beautifully said.
30:27
But this new, the next person that comes along has never had
30:29
their feet stuck to the floor. So it's new to them.
30:33
And great insight is this is where I don't, I don't know if
30:36
you have any kids. There's great insights when you
30:39
Start learning from your children and they give you words
30:41
of wisdom. But I realized, you know, you
30:44
know, don't you don't have to think of 101 different skits to
30:48
do if you stick people's feet to the floor, that's mind blowing
30:52
for them. But he also said to me, you
30:56
know, you know people, you know, because he's sitting watching
30:59
behind the lens and watching the reactions where I'm focusing on
31:02
the subject, not seeing the audience, not seeing the the
31:04
passage by they're stopping and watching.
31:06
He says just doing a hypnotic induction, dropping them in the
31:11
hypnosis so the head drops under the chest and then waking them
31:14
up again and send them on the way.
31:15
If you do, no feet stick, If you do no skits at all.
31:19
That's mind blown to that to people that aren't familiar with
31:22
hypnosis. And again, that's one of the
31:25
things I teach, you know, don't think I have to do this skit,
31:28
then that skit, then that skit. And do you know, I'll do maybe 5
31:31
or 6 skits in the subjects really good.
31:34
I'll go for 20 minutes. Yeah, don't don't you know, once
31:38
get after another because I'm used to it, but just just to
31:44
hypnotize someone drop them in maybe do a fractionalization 123
31:48
wide awake and stay asleep and they just drop down again.
31:50
You can see that change in their, their, their complexion,
31:54
that their, their, their face. And and then, you know, from
31:58
1:00 to 5:00 and on the kind of five, you'd be awake, fully
32:00
awake, all hypnosis be gone 123 wide awake.
32:04
And that that blows people's minds.
32:07
And I learned that, you know, from my son, thankfully, but for
32:11
doing the street hypnosis, you know, and I don't think I'd
32:15
you'd ever get that understanding high mind blowing.
32:19
Just a fast induction is from, you know, sitting in the therapy
32:24
room seeing clients for an hour and then the next one coming in
32:27
with St. hypnosis. I'll hypnotize someone as I say,
32:30
maybe 10, maybe 1520 if they're a really good subject.
32:33
So every 10 minutes and then they walk in the way it's do me
32:35
next and you're straight into doing, you don't have time to
32:38
think. So maybe in an hour you'll do
32:40
5-6 people back-to-back to back. And that's really when you're
32:46
learning at an unconscious level yourself about hypnosis where
32:49
you're not having time to think about it.
32:51
For most hypnotherapists, when you start out, you'll you'll see
32:53
maybe one person the first month, maybe two people the
32:57
second month and then it starts to build up.
32:59
So you're having a month between when you hypnotize people?
33:04
To me, it's not the way to learn.
33:05
Now you've got to learn through immersion.
33:07
And I think, you know, my philosophy is that you, you
33:11
learn before you earn. And, and in the early days being
33:14
hypnotist, I, I kept myself so, so busy because not to make
33:19
money. I wasn't making any profit at
33:20
that particular point. But you get better the more you
33:22
do something. I always believe that you can't
33:25
learn to swim by reading a book. You've got to, you've got to
33:27
dive into the pool. And I think hypnosis is
33:30
particularly like that you're going to do some kind of demo
33:34
session for us. But before we do that, you've
33:37
mentioned your YouTube channel, you've mentioned your brand.
33:40
If people are curious to learn more about you, see your staff
33:43
learn from you. Where can they go For more
33:46
information? So it's feel good hypnosis is
33:48
the if you just Google that I'm on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,
33:53
YouTube that works feel good hypnosis is the fast way just to
33:56
search you'll find me. My website is feel hyphen good
34:00
dot today and everybody says is that a com or.co.uk?
34:03
No, it's just a dot today. So feel hyphen good F EE L-G OOD
34:09
dot today. That's where you can find more
34:12
website. And again, there's links to all
34:13
my social media platforms from there.
34:15
So love people to to check out my my my videos.
34:19
Make sure to give me a like and a subscribe.
34:21
It's the same guy. Definitely check to run out
34:25
there and we're both going to be talking at the Irish
34:28
Hypnotherapy Conference in Dublin early April.
34:32
So if you're interested in seeing Turin there, it's Irish
34:36
Hypnotherapy conference dot IE and there's some good rates
34:39
available on tickets right now. But Turin, you're going to be
34:43
doing something for us. So I'm happy to put myself on
34:47
mute and leave it over to you. But if you want to interact in
34:50
any way, I'll I'll I won't mute. Myself, I want to do something
34:53
quite audible and and a nice technique.
34:56
I do a lot with a lot of my clients is around self talk and
35:01
I don't know if you have any sort of self talk yourself and
35:05
things going through your head. Would you?
35:09
If you do and if you don't mind sharing, it'll help me describe
35:16
the process. And the lovely thing about this
35:18
process is I explain, I run through the process with my
35:22
clients, I explain why it's working, and then I encourage
35:26
them to take it and share it with their family, their friends
35:29
or whatever. If anyone helps.
35:31
So I don't know, do you want me to do an abstract example or do?
35:36
You well, I'm thinking like generally my inner dialogue is
35:39
pretty good. It's quite, quite motivating,
35:42
quite, you know, encouraging. But I would say when I do get
35:46
anxious, there is that classic kind of, you know, what if
35:51
something bad happens and every now and then there'll be that
35:55
voice that says, right, you won't be able to handle that.
35:57
You're going to, you're going to embarrass yourself.
35:59
You're going to make a mess of that, something like that.
36:01
So that doesn't happen very often.
36:03
But when it does, I can't. I hear it and I feel it.
36:05
My gut. Beautiful.
36:07
So again, I'm listening to everything my client says and as
36:11
soon as they say the phrase like what if something bad happens?
36:14
Again, if it was the driving test, I'm never going to pass
36:16
this test. Something like that there.
36:19
But let's take the what if something bad happens?
36:22
So what I asked them to do is I'm going to say a phrase and I
36:26
might have written that down maybe two or three minutes, the
36:30
talking away, and then I'll, you know, change, right?
36:33
So let's do a little exercise. What I'm going to do is I'm
36:36
going to say a phrase. And as I say this phrase, I
36:39
don't want you to say anything until I say the word.
36:42
Repeat. Then I want you to repeat it
36:44
exactly the way I said it. OK, so let's call What if
37:06
something bad happens? Repeat.
37:35
What if something bad happens? Now I want you to think of a
37:55
situation where that would have ran through your head in the
37:59
past and think about that situation now and notice what
38:04
you notice differently. Again, generally when I'm
38:09
working with client, they would have mentioned the scenario I
38:12
went to get into the car to do my driving test and I said I'm
38:14
never going to pass my test. So I would have said think back
38:16
to that day when you sat in the car.
38:18
Again, we're we're abbreviated demo here.
38:24
Can you think of a time? I can't think of a time.
38:27
And what I like about this is the the gaps in between it.
38:31
It kind of creates space. It does.
38:34
It does seem to be shifting some submodalities.
38:36
It kind of feels further away. It feels kind of not so emotive.
38:41
Uh, I mean, there's a second part to this.
38:43
Let let's run through the second part of this.
38:45
And again, probably bad for purely a podcast, but the second
38:48
part of it is I say once again, and I might, I might get them to
38:52
do that second time, spacing it out even more.
38:56
Uh, and after that I then say, I'm going to do that phrases
39:00
again. I'm going to do it slightly
39:01
different once again, say nothing until I say the word,
39:05
repeat, and then repeat it exactly the way I do it.
39:08
And I'll do what if something bad happens?
39:31
Repeat if you can remember. That's that's the challenge.
39:38
My acting isn't as good as yours.
39:40
What? If.
39:48
Something bad happens. I told now again for those just
40:01
listening, I was making arm gestures.
40:05
And Adam was repeating those arm gestures.
40:07
I was making facial movements, I was being animated in short.
40:14
And again, what I'll do is ask the client now to think back to
40:16
that time once again. Now you've done that probably by
40:20
a third tanks, 2 elongated ones and an animated one.
40:24
And again, think back to that time.
40:26
Now what we're doing, as you've quickly come to is we're and
40:31
I'll explain this to them that and again, this is not to knock
40:34
Cbti know some people get great responses for CDT, but generally
40:39
CBT will say, you know, don't think you can't drive, pass your
40:42
driving test. Tell yourself you can pass your
40:44
driving test. You will pass your driving test.
40:47
And these are good every day and every way.
40:49
All these affirmations are good to put into your head, but the
40:53
problem is this other one. What if something bad happens?
40:57
It's still in there. No matter what you put up here
41:00
inside your head, the, the, the original affirmation, the -1 is
41:05
still in there. So we got to mess with that one.
41:09
Now, I used to ask people when, when that's going through your
41:13
head to go through quickly or slowly.
41:16
But I, I quickly realized everybody runs through it at 90
41:19
miles an hour. And people will say a number
41:22
like 100 miles an hour, 1000 miles an hour.
41:24
You know, I'm never going to pass my test.
41:26
I'm not going to pass my test. I'm never going to pass the
41:27
test. They're sitting in the chair, or
41:29
in your case, I'm guessing I didn't ask you in advance.
41:33
When that phrase goes through your mind, is it going quickly
41:35
or slowly? What would you say?
41:38
It's definitely quickly, I think for anxious thoughts.
41:40
Yeah. And and and you get this loop,
41:42
don't you? Because the more anxious you
41:43
get, the more quarters so you've got the faster your brain works.
41:46
Is this exactly spiral? So, so you did very well.
41:50
And again, this is not an ideal scenario because it's this not a
41:53
clear answer session. But a lot of times when I say
41:57
I'm spinning up here, what if something, but I slow it down.
42:04
And again, I'm watching them. Some people will when I say
42:08
don't say anything until I say the repeat.
42:10
Do you understand the instructions?
42:12
They'll say yes and then I'll go what?
42:17
And they'll go, what? No, no, I didn't say repeat yet
42:21
because that silence is deafening sometimes.
42:25
And they feel like, did I get the instructions wrong?
42:27
Should I speak now? And I'll correct them So it's
42:31
all part of the process. I love it when I correct them,
42:34
right? And then I'll, I'll get to the
42:37
end and I'll say repeat. And I say repeat it just the way
42:39
I did it. And I'll go, what if something
42:41
bad happens? They'll say it quickly because
42:45
it's so ingrained in their mind. They're not repeating what I
42:48
said. They're repeating what's in
42:49
their head. And it goes quickly.
42:51
And I'll say, oh, yo, on a scale of one to 10, how well where
42:55
10's very good and one's terrible.
42:57
How well did you do it the way I did?
42:59
Well, not really well at all because you spaced it out.
43:02
Oh, so you're listening. There's a bit of there's a bit
43:05
of and again, I can have this banter, this sort of almost
43:09
critical sarcasm, but with a with a serious point because of
43:15
doing the fun stuff from the street hypnosis, even this
43:18
exercise has its roots in in how I work with people out in the
43:23
streets. I said, so do it again and
43:25
they'll go what if something but the gaps will even with
43:30
yourself, you didn't leave the same level of gap as me and
43:32
there's probably that tension off.
43:34
This just doesn't sound right. It's not how I speak, but what
43:37
we're doing is messing. I'll sometimes use the F word
43:40
we're messing with the original thought.
43:43
It's a pattern interrupt, isn't it?
43:44
Changing that, we're changing the modalities in the
43:47
second-half, the animation again, when they're doing that,
43:51
you know, you probably stand there stiff going what if
43:53
something happens? What if something bad happens?
43:55
You're stiff, you're, you're motionless and, and you're in
43:58
your head running that pattern. So now we're anchoring movement
44:04
and you know, and I'll, I'll do silly faces.
44:07
What if something bad happens, right?
44:14
And, and nobody ever goes? This is silly.
44:16
I'm not doing this. They, they, they, they run along
44:19
with the exercise and, and it's because it's not silly.
44:22
What we're doing is anchoring. When I say, think back to the
44:24
time when you were sitting about to do that driving test and they
44:27
go, oh, just seem silly now because they're thinking that
44:31
silly movement inside their head.
44:32
They've, they've changed the modalities, not just the speed,
44:36
but the seriousness of the, the, the that phrase.
44:40
Now you can add in your other, you know, every day and every
44:42
way. And then yes, I can't pass this
44:44
driving test. Yeah, I think it's very
44:46
powerful. And the thought that came up for
44:48
me when when you're going through that is that that
44:51
obviously you're, you're shifting the tempo, you know,
44:56
and, and you've got lots of space in between.
44:58
It's very difficult to kind of get in these loops when you've
45:02
got that level of space. But I, I recall a client I was
45:04
working with in the music industry and they felt a real
45:08
hesitation to write new music. And the inner dialogue was who
45:12
am I to be writing music? And, and what I found is that in
45:16
a different area of their life, if someone said they couldn't do
45:20
something, that polarity response like your, your
45:22
sister-in-law would create this kind of like, of course I can do
45:26
this. So I remember working with that
45:28
client and it was exactly the same inner dialogue, but with
45:31
this kind of almost like defiant, inspiring tonality.
45:36
You know, it's kind of like who, who am I?
45:40
You know, it was, it was this kind of, and it made it
45:43
appealing almost to kind of like prove someone wrong.
45:47
So sometimes you can get the words exactly the same, change
45:49
the tonality and it creates an entirely different emotion.
45:53
And, and I guess you get that, you know that from how you
45:56
introduce yourself as a hypnotist, that if you said I'm
46:00
a hypnotist, I'm going to hypnotize you, it's not going to
46:03
work because you're projecting something different.
46:06
That's it when I ran a class it's funny we're talking about
46:09
the Irish hypnosis convention and I have to say this is the
46:11
third year in 2025 for anybody listen to this way in the in the
46:15
future, because I'm sure this podcast will still be listened
46:17
to in 2020. Thirty but next year's 2025 is
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the third year was the first year I'm attending even though
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I'm just up the road. It's it's been held in Dublin.
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I'm just an hour and a half away in Northern Ireland.
46:32
The first year I was actually in England delivering a training.
46:36
This year, 2024, I actually rang John.
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I said, John, I want to speak, I want to speak 2024 at your
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convention. And the first year around it was
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in May and I got on the Zoom call.
46:48
John go to tolerate St. hypnosis, a great passion of
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mine. He says, yeah, yeah, we'll have
46:53
you, we'll have you. And he says we decided to do it
46:56
in the apron instead of May this year.
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I said, well, in the April, he says the 20th.
47:01
That sounds familiar. Oh yeah, my son's getting
47:04
married in Spain that day. So I missed it second time
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around. So third year I'm there not
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missing it. This year.
47:12
I'm delighted because again, first time I went to a
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convention and I gained so much knowledge from conventions.
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It's one thing to go in a training program, whether it's a
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2 day or A5 day or even a six month program.
47:24
Listen to the same trainer throughout the time, but going
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to these conventions and hearing and our discussion here to our
47:32
discussion here gets you. I like the like the way she
47:35
spoke. I'm going to do her longer
47:37
training. Don't like the way he quote.
47:39
It's not no offense to anyone that people don't like.
47:41
You know, everybody has different styles, different
47:43
techniques and and certain ones will resonate with you.
47:47
So I gained so much from those conventions.
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I've spoken now for the 5th year at the UK hypnosis convention as
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the Jew last month. So so to be speaking without
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having to get an airplane, it's great.
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It's luxury, luxury and and encourage everyone.
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You don't need to be a hypotherapist or a hypnotist.
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If you've just got an interest in it, come along, that interest
48:13
will grow. Like I mean, look how I did.
48:15
I had no one sounds terrible sometimes.
48:18
I sometimes say the phrase, I had no intentions of helping
48:21
people, but, you know, in the context of hypotherapy, yeah, I
48:24
just, I was just trying to learn this hobby and understand this
48:27
hobby. And then people said, oh, can
48:30
you help me stop smoking? And when that worked, I just
48:33
thought I I need to use this for more than just the street stuff.
48:36
But I gained so much for street stuff that's helped me.
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So it would definitely encourage people to come along to the
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convention. Absolutely.
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Yeah, it doesn't. Get better than the Irish, I'll
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say that much. It, it doesn't, you know, I,
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I've, I would say it's a very similar kind of fun vibe to kind
48:51
of hypno thoughts in Vegas, but smaller and, and everyone is so,
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so friendly there. So if you've been daunted about
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going to some kind of hypnosis conference, that's a great one
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to, to go to Irish hypnotherapy conference dot IE, check us out
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there and hopefully we'll see you in April too.
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And it's been fantastic having a chat.
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I appreciate we've, we've been around the same circles for a
49:12
long time. We've never actually had a chat
49:13
before. So it's great to actually kind
49:15
of connect in this way and have a lovely Christmas and and I
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will see you in in April. See you in April.
49:23
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