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  Wild season in the main political circles.
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  Of course. Now we have gubernatorial
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  debates. Abound.
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  We do, yeah. Including this one by CBS 13.
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  There was yeah, You know what? I want to start with a hint of
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  an apology here too, because we had some audio issues that in 30
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  years of doing this, I've never had I I I think it marred the
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  debate a little bit, the experience of absorbing.
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  So I want to apologize to anyone watch that was.
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  I had a question about that. I was told there was some kind
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  of failure in our, in the, in the system we used to charge the
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  batteries for the microphones. So we had, we had like 3
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  batteries. We had three mics dying at once
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  at no kidding. Yeah, it was a little rough, but
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  we were able to, I think power through it.
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  But at one point, I mean, David Jones's mic was cutting off
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  completely while he was talking. So I literally had to stop him
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  and say, hey, you know, hold your thought, we really want to
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  hear what you have to say, but let's come back to you.
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  So anyway, apologies to those who noticed that.
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  I think we, we were able to power through it and credit to
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  the candidates because they powered through and I think
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  still managed to get their points across and answer the
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  questions. And, and I think it was still a
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  good debate. But again, wanted to acknowledge
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  that right away. I have not experienced that in
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  my career, but I think we powered through.
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  No, every time I visit your show the battery is always nice and
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  least charged for my my microphone.
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  So I don't know what happened. Sometimes you can't control
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  technology it. Just is the way that we had a
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  light blue blow during a debate once and we kind of quietly
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  replaced it on the side of the debate.
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  Was that a sign of something? I hope not anyway.
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  Apocalyptic. Indeed.
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  Well, let's talk about the actual content.
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  Yeah, please. You know, the first thing about
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  the content, before we actually get to what they said and the
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  questions asked and all that fun stuff, was the fact that there
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  was a conspicuous absence on the stage.
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  There was which was referenced by the others in the debate
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  repeatedly, and it's become something of a talking point in
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  the race that Bobby Charles has skipped.
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  Not just yours, but obviously the the the one that was earlier
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  this week as. Well, Tuesday one too.
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  Yeah. So what do you make of that?
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  Is that a risk for him? I think it is whether it's going
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  to be a, you know, how much of A risk I, I, I can't speak.
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  I think it's a risk. Obviously, I come, you know,
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  please take my answer to this with a grain of salt because I'm
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  obviously, you know, one of the hosts of the moderator of a
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  debate here that he skipped and it's his choice.
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  I want to point, make that very, very clear as well.
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  But I, I do think it's a mistake and it's a mistake for a couple
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  of reasons. One, it's an opportunity to
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  cause not everyone's seen and heard him at the events he's
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  already done. I mean, obviously in this day
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  and age, people can go online, track down what he's been saying
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  and that kind of stuff. And you know, I obviously
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  encourage that voters to do that for every candidate, track him
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  down, learn as much as you can. You, I you were doing that in
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  the last segment too. But I do think he he misses an
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  opportunity to reach new people and he misses an opportunity to
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  respond to the inevitable attacks that come from his
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  opponents. And again, he's the guy who's,
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  you know, if you believe the polls, we've had many
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  conversations about that. It would indicate that he's been
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  the perceived A perceived frontrunner, if not the.
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  Perceived runner, I mean, pretty much is the I haven't seen
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  anything that puts anybody. Else I I agree, there's been
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  nothing that's put anyone ahead of him in any poll that we've
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  seen. Now, granted, this poll has been
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  limited, but he's been in front. So I I do think that comes with
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  a risk. Now, can he coast across the
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  finish line or can he finish strong doing other things?
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  Of course he can, but I think it's a risk and I think we saw
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  it again last night. I think that the candidates, his
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  opponents took the opportunity to say, you know, to criticize
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  him. You know his career, his
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  background, his his stances on the issues, anything you could
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  criticize him on, they criticized him.
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  Well, that's the other thing about not going is that when
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  that kind of thing happens, he can't respond.
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  No, it's this. You know, again, we inevitably
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  have rebuttals in the debate. Somebody's going to say
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  something about you immediately. We're going to steer to you and
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  you get a chance to respond. You're not there.
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  You don't get to respond. So he didn't.
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  Well, you know. I'll say in the debate that we
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  hosted and which he did attend, that happened a little bit and
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  he was, I thought, able to effectively respond.
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  So it's one of the reasons I do view it as a mistake as well as
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  I just feel like just because you are perhaps a front runner,
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  and I mean, be careful with that.
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  Les Oughton says hi. You know, it's like front
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  runners are sometimes not really front runners, but if you are
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  indeed one and you're up by a comfortable margin or whatever,
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  the run out the clock strategy, it's kind of like the prevent
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  defense of NFL, you know? What I mean like.
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  It's a prevent to win defense because you're kind of like
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  being so conservative and and cautious that you end up
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  looking, I think, like you're standing still compared to some
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  other folks. Exactly.
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  And if you're going to get completely ripped apart by the
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  other people on a stage here like they, we deserve as viewers
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  to hear you respond to it, and you'll probably do a good job, I
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  would assume. Everything I've seen, he he,
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  he's, he's not. They can't.
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  He's a. Very good debater, right?
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  I can say this. I don't think he's skipping it
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  because he's afraid of doing it because he's he's clearly pretty
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  talented at it. He's a good speaker.
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  Like he's pretty good on the cuff or off the cuff, on the
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  cuff, off the cuff. So I don't think that's, I
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  think, I think it's a it's a campaign strategy.
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  I think it's AI don't want to risk anything like blowing up in
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  my face or messing something up or having some kind of moment
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  that that ruins it for me. So I don't need it anyway.
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  I'm not going to go. I think he also knows that all
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  the other candidates, you know, have an issue with him and are
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  going to attack him for, you know, multiple reasons.
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  First and foremost, perhaps because he's the perceived front
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  runner. So that always happens and he
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  maybe doesn't want to deal with that.
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  You know, there's two types of candidates.
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  Those who like say yeah, fine, go at me.
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  Come at me, bro. Come at me bro.
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  Yeah, and just like and, and take it on and those who say I
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  don't want to deal with that and you know, I I can't speak to if
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  that's a motivation for him or not, but it feels like it is at
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  least a factor in this. I think it's a mistake.
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  I definitely do. And you know, we got a month.
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  We'll see how it plays out, but I thought it was notable.
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  I, I, you know, and I know Jason just referenced that little clip
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  on the during the new segment here a moment ago.
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  But we gave them a specific opportunity like, hey, you know,
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  there's been, we've heard some rumblings of criticism and more
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  than rumblings about Bobby Charles, the five candidates
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  before us. Would any of you commit to
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  voting for Bobby Charles if he is, in fact, the party's
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  nominee? None of them would we.
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  There was a pause, an audible silence.
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  If that's a way to say that. And then we went, wait a minute.
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  Show of hands. Still no hands.
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  Wait, let's go around. And they all clarified, saying
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  they hadn't decided or they, you know, but some of them were even
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  more than that, were saying, you know, they're saying, look, I'm
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  focused on me. I'm not going to talk about
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  someone else. Fine, fine.
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  But the the the silence was deafening about their lack of
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  support for Bobby Charles. How fascinating.
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  I I thought it was very interesting.
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  And at the same time you had alliances forming we.
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  Did right out of the gate. We had like literally his
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  opening statement, David Jones was like, and I want to announce
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  right now I'm going to, you know, this is a primary where
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  there be rankings and you know, I'm going to throw my support
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  behind, you know, Ben Midgley and and Ben, do you have
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  anything to say? And then Ben's like, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, sure. Right.
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  Yeah, me too. Yeah, me too.
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  So that was interesting. And then of course, we had
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  Robert Wessels throw his support.
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  The the sort of the the sort of withdrawal from the race that
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  wasn't a withdrawal from the race.
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  That's the. Weirdest thing I've ever.
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  Seen wasn't a withdrawal from the race.
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  I'm not withdrawing from the race, but I'm throwing all my
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  support and actually working for Jonathan.
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  Bush I'm an actual like employee of the campaign.
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  Kind of, you know, it's yeah. So basically he's he's out and
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  he's throwing his support report behind Jonathan Bush, which is
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  what Jim Libby did what, just a week, a week or so before him,
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  which is interesting. I think Jonathan Bush is
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  obviously trying to, you know, try and coalesce that sort of if
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  you're looking for an alternative, for example, to
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  Bobby Charles, Jonathan Bush is trying to say, hey, look over
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  here, here's me. And I'm not necessarily you
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  think I am just because my last name is Bush and.
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  That was the David Jones calculus clearly too, because I
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  mean, if there's one thing that we know about that relationship,
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  it's that he really doesn't like Bobby Charles at all.
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  So if you're looking for somebody who can beat him, you
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  know, Midgley has been the one that's been sort of on the 2nd
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  place, yes, you know, Perch for a while.
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  So I guess I'm going to go with that guy.
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  Probably logical in his part. I think a lot of people had.
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  What I find interesting here is I think it's an interesting
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  field of candidates. I think they all had, you know,
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  if you're looking for somebody who may have stumbled or maybe
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  if like making mistakes at these debates, I don't think so.
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  I think they're all like saying what they I think and they're
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  and they're well spoken and they're looking at the camera
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  and telling voters where they what they believe and they're
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  responding to things. And I think Ben Mitchley is
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  obviously emerged as somebody who is, has an interesting
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  background. You know, he's a fitness
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  executive. Rose, you know, Planet Fitness,
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  everyone's heard of Planet Fitness, you know, Rose to CEO
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  that then started another company.
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  And this is from a guy who basically started cleaning gyms,
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  you know, without a college degree.
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  And so I think, and I think he's well spoken when he speaks.
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  So I think that that gets people's attention.
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  I think they all Owen McCarthy has a fascinating background
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  too. And yeah, we just heard his
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  radio ad here a moment ago on your station here, you know,
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  giving it, talking about his background.
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  So I think the more people learn about I'm.
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  Actually offended at that ad, by the way, because nothing I said
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  that was nice about him ended up in that ad.
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  Took every, every commentator possible, apparently, except for
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  me. I did say a couple complimentary
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  things. So there there's stuff you could
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  have used Owen. Out there, you did not.
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  So yeah, I think it's going to be interesting.
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  I, I don't know who's going to emerge and I, I don't know.
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  We talk about these sort of alliances forming.
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  I'm not still sure how much I think it has a small factor.
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  It can't help but have some sort of impact on, on people, but to
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  what extent. And especially in the Republican
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  side where there's a, there's a sort of a hold your nose when it
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  comes to rankings. I, I, I'm curious as to what
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  impact it has, but I think it has to have something right.
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  I mean that you you assume. Well, isn't so much this
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  predicated on whether or not the Republican voters actually rank?
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  It is. It's totally.
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  Predicated because I know a lot of them won't right?
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  But some of them will. Some of them will.
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  And what is that percentage? I don't know.
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  I know on the Democratic side, they're very much more likely
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  to, you know, to, to do it. And we did, I should mention we
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  had a, we had a Democratic debate on Tuesday and then, and
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  I thought it was less honestly, I think that was a group of of
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  five candidates who are perhaps better known if because of what
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  their careers have been, politically speaking, they've
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  been out there for a bit. Well, none of.
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  Them are real newcomers, except for.
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  Angus King the third, but even he is but even has the name
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  Angus King. So which was interesting I think
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  for people to sort of put an imprint on him.
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  OK, who is he? Is he just, you know, is he his
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  father's son or is he something else or what is he?
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  I I think he was extremely well spoken.
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  I think people, I think again, that debate, what was remarkable
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  about that debate remarkable is that they seem much less willing
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  to engage with each other on exploring their differences and
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  disagreements. It was much more complimentary.
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  In fact, there was 1 moment where Shanna Bellows said
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  something along the lines of, oh, Hannah Pringer, I'm glad
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  you, you've adopted my thoughts on property tax reform.
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  And you could see Hannah Pinger's, you know, head whip
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  around and like, wait, what? What are you accusing me of
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  doing? And then I sort of went back to
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  him and say, well, I don't want to paraphrase here, but it
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  sounds like you're saying she sort of plagiarized your your
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  and well, let me clarify. So that was the closest we got
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  to them. And it wasn't.
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  So I think if you were looking for quote UN quote fireworks or
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  engagement with each other, it was much less so in with the DS
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  than the Rs. The Rs were much more and I
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  think I expected this and I think we all did.
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  The Rs were much more willing to say, Hey, I respect you, but
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  let's go at it. We disagree.
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  Here's where, and I appreciate that, frankly.
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  This is a very self interested question and I apologize for it
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  in advance, but was any any conversation or question asked
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  related? Because I didn't have a chance
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  to really catch it this week. But did any question get asked
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  about sort of them being in charge for eight years?
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  And like, when you're talking about these issues that need to
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  be solved in the state, obviously there's been an
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  opportunity for the Democratic Party and its candidates and its
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  leaders, including some of the people on that stage.
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  I mean, Anna Pinkery worked in the governor's office.
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  Yeah. Detroit Jackson obviously is a
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  very prominent, you know, state Senate President and whatnot
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  throughout that period and etcetera, etcetera.
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  Right. Did is there any recognition of
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  introspection about or otherwise dealing with the question of,
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  hey, so said you had since you've had all this time to do
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  stuff. Yeah.
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  There were a couple of variations of that question,
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  including one that was asking like, look, you, you all saying,
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  you know, you want to pour money into, you know, worthy.
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  Look, is education, healthcare and childcare worthy?
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  Of course, but they come at a cost.
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  And 1/3 of Mainers surveyed last year said that they're one of
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  their number one things was concerns over high taxes.
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  You know, Maine obviously ranks near the top when it comes to
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  tax burden. So that question was asked and
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  like, hey, are you going to just spend more or is there cuts that
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  could that you know what, where are you going to find the money
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  or more importantly? Reforms, I mean like, yeah,
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  yeah, I mean a lot of those money investments have really
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  been radically increased. I mean education's a great
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  example, right I mean Mills is famously talking about the 55%
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  all the time, but the. But the results that you're
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  getting are pretty lackluster and kind of declining, so.
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  Well, the education question was asked too.
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  I mean, we that look, look at the people we've heard both
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  actually, both parties have talked on the campaign trail and
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  at our debates about the Mississippi Miracle, as it's
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  called, where Mississippi went from like 49th in 4th grade
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  reading to 9th and, you know, and climbing because they had
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  sort of standards based outcomes and, and other, well, you hate
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  to use the word mandates, but they did use state level
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  mandates to sort of say, Hey, here's our expectations, meet
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  them or here are the consequences.
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  And it had an impact. So, you know, we did ask, look,
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  education is in shambles in Maine in a sense.
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  And I think that there was a very different sense of why, but
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  you don't have to go back that far where Maine was top, top 10,
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  not bottom 10 when I. Graduated high school.
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  It was #1 in reading, I believe. Yes, and it's notable.
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  So throwing money at the problem would seem to be not the
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  solution, right. So that it did.
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  That issue did emerge in both debates, quite frankly.
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  We also asked the, the, you know, the candidates like, hey,
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  look, it's been 8 years of majority budgets.
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  Would you commit as a, as if you become governor shoes, You know,
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  we asked the Republicans if the shoes on the other foot, would
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  you do the same or would you commit to a bipartisan budget?
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  And they said, well, we, we don't know, you know, let's see
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  what? Happens now just say yes.
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  You know you're going to. You know, you're going to
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  Democrats. Look, you know, do you support
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  that? Now that that's a good question
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  for them. I mean, it's like if, if you
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  guys after eight years maintain control, right, are you going to
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  keep doing it well or are we going to return to some sort of
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  a collaborative type of environment?
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  The interesting thing is that, you know, for those who've
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  covered the main legislature for a long time, it was a notable
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  feature that the parties did look to work together on key on
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  big issues like the budget and, you know.
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  It'll it'll never be not be bewildering to me that in
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  Lepage's first budget, him and Emily Payne are high fiving like
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  that's they actually forge some sort of compromise, which she
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  then campaigned on when she ran for.
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  Congress, Absolutely, and it's interesting.
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  A little while to, you know, think about.
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  That and I know that in this sort of meme culture and social
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  media, you know, that sort of engagement with the other side
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  leads to, you know, bad things in terms of what you're the
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  fallout's going to be. But I think as frankly, as
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  citizens and taxpayers, they can work something out and fix
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  something together and come up with a solution.
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  Great. That's what you're there for.
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  So we'll see. I mean, I, I think that sense is
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  gone. I, I don't, it was interesting
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  to hear the, the candidates to really talk about it.
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  I don't think they really care about that much about how much
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  they're working across the aisle anymore, no.
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  But they're not incentivized to care because we don't.
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  That's the. Problem that is correct.
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  Greg Larquist, earlier, maybe 6-7 minutes ago, you mentioned
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  polling. There is new polling out today,
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  although it has a pretty heavy caveat.
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  I mean, this is NRCC polling, yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. So, but it does, it does say,
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  and it's publicly released so I can talk about it.
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  You can. It does show Paula Page up by
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  about 10 points, 1050 to 40 on both the major candidates, Joe
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  Baldacci and Matt Dunlap, sorry, Jordan Wood.
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  And then in terms of the Senate race, I believe Collins was up
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  11, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, which is OK.
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  First of all, it's a partisan poll from the side that happens
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  to have a lead in these in these things, correct?
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  So you got to note that, but it's also outside of the norm of
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  the other polling that we've seen.
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  So what do you make of the poll? Is there anything worth pulling
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  out in it? I for those polls.
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  Well, obviously the top line number is worth, you know,
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  noting with the caveat asterisks, you know, whatever
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  else you want to do to sort of make it clear that there's a,
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  you know, this is to be taken with a grain of salt, that it
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  was a partisan poll, not a non partisan poll and it's just one
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  poll. But the top line is, is
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  noteworthy. The fact that that and
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  especially as you mentioned it, I, I think the idea that Paul
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  LePage might be up by close to or around double digits over the
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  D, whoever, whichever the D emerges in the Second District
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  is not that surprising. I think that's sort of, and
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  again, I we always try to be careful when, when a poll sort
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  of confirms what we think we know.
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  We think it's great. It's.
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  Great. This.
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  Yes, I was right all along. Right.
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  That's really dangerous. Called confirmation bias.
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  It's absolutely confirmation bias.
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  So let's like be very clear about that.
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  But I think that the Collins number definitely was a
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  different than the numbers we've seen.
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  Cause a lot of the polls that have, you know, in the
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  hypothetical, even back in the day, so long ago when Janet
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  Mills was in the race, we saw Susan Collins and Janet Mills in
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  a virtually head to head, you know, in a hypothetical head to
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  head. And we saw Graham Plattner
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  virtually head to head, maybe even slightly ahead of Susan
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  Collins in a hypothetical head to head.
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  And then suddenly we have this, you know, internal poll that
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  shows that. Well, no.
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  No, but not so fast. Susan Collins is has the
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  durability that everyone assumes that she has, and it's emerging
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  already in a poll. So I have to imagine, though,
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  that now the Grand Platiner is like the man, and he's the
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  nominee. You just know what?
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  It is. Yeah, absolutely.
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  That we're going to get more polling in that race pretty
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  soon. We should, I have to imagine.
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  We have to. I mean, we should especially.
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  One of the top races in the entire country.
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  Why is no one pulling it right now?
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  A. 100% And they and I, I weird look because usually, I know
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  pollsters usually are somewhat hesitant to be polling the
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  general election while the primary's still underway.
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  Or they or they put it, you know, they kind of couch it by
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  the hypothetical head to head, but we'll also do the other
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  hypothetical head to heads and some other scenarios too.
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  But really they want to get at what's that head to head look
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  like. So I think I, I would be
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  surprised if we don't see though a poll in the next couple of
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  weeks before the actual primary in that race in particular, and
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  more polls. And, and I'd, I'd love to see
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  one, frankly, on the governor's races too.
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  Yeah, like at this point, I'd love to see a.
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  Poll, although we'd have to take it with a grain of salt because
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  who knows? Always all of these well, you
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  know, there's only like 30 days until that primary.
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  By the way, we're getting down to the wire here.
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  It happens quick. Appreciate it.
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  Greg Larquist As always, the triumphant music is playing, so
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  we got to stop talking.