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Maid In Manhattan w/ Dev Roberts · Everyone's A Critic

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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: I am so excited to be here.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: How are you doing today?
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um pretty good.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: How are you?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm good, thanks.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_02: Uh just been like editing the whole day.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_02: So and then and then I watched the movie right right after that.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, um, a bad time and then a good time, and now we're here.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_02: Sure, sure.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: We can say that.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm excited to hear what you think because I loved it.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_02: I've never seen the movie before.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh I've seen a lot of J-Lo movies before, but I've never seen the movie made in Manhattan, which you're which is what you're here to talk about.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_02: But um Yeah, how have you have you you've been working today, haven't you?
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: Have you just finished?
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: I've been working and um yeah, and then I put um uh yeah, I'm at an appointment, which is fine.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: And um I'll finish up later.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_02: What time is it now?
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's 345 in the afternoon.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_02: So you've had like a decent amount of work done then, to be fair.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then like I have like a flexible I can kind of be flexible with my schedule too.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's like get things done as I need.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I've it's fine to take some time off in the afternoon and then I'll go back to it after.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_02: What do you do as well?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even know what you do.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: That is actually a good the reason why I wanted to talk about made in Manhattan.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh I don't talk about um my job on Twitter or in like my stand-up.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but I I work on political campaigns.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I work for a political campaign organization.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason I wanted to talk about made in Manhattan is because it's about a political campaign.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: And um this might be the only time I talk about my job in relation to comedy.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_02: I I really didn't know that.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like I I don't know why I assumed you did, but it was not that.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I work for a nonprofit and we sort of advise on political campaigns, and I through that I train people how to run for office.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, have you trained anyone that I would I might have heard of outside of like anyone outside of the US might have heard of?
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um some people who like ran statewide in North Carolina are like the biggest names, but I don't know if um anyone who doesn't live in North Carolina would be particularly uh knowledgeable or interested in some of these people.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_02: One of my sisters went to um UNC for a year.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, that's yeah.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: I live pretty close to there.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: So is that I feel like she would know, but she might know if she was um politically engaged when she was here, or if it was an election year, she would have maybe known.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_02: It was 209 2019 or 2018.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_02: She was there.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, then she probably, if she was here, then she may have heard some stuff, but um that wasn't like a huge year.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_02: No, it was it was definitely not like the the like uh polit the presidential election.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_02: 2020 wasn't that year.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um the 2018 election was on, it's I was born on election day, which is when I'm like don't believe in astrology, and then I'm like, well, I was born on election day, but I work in politics, and I have to sort of be like some things actually maybe are connected.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but that in 2018 election day was on my birthday, and I was just like really scared I was gonna be super sad.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: Oh and it was fine.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: It the election ended up being fine.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: My birthday ended up being fine, so it all worked out.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_02: I mean that that does sum up this presidency.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: It ended up being fine.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: The longer you look in politics, the more you're like, fine is great, fine is all that I'll take fine.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm happy with fine.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um so yeah, I guess that's like do are you um kind of high up in the in the in the role then, or is it like uh something that you're new to?
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm high up in the role uh by now.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: I've worked there long enough that I've had a couple of jobs over the years, and now I'm pretty um entrenched in the training department for training people.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_02: Cool.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: To put it in context for made in Manhattan, uh I would potentially have trained the campaign manager played by Stanley Tucci.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_02: I thought you were gonna say you were like similar to his role.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: Pretty I've I've been in his close to been in his position, or I train people who are in his position.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: I also train candidates.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: We don't train men, we only train women.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I would have not trained Ray Ray Fine's character, but I would have known about him and probably been like, no one likes him behind the scenes.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's sort of also a part of my job.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: But I think people would have liked him behind the scenes.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: He's endlessly likable.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh in in real life, yes.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know about in this movie.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: Well, because he's a billionaire and he's like, I've I'm I'm a everyone in my family's been a senator and now.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: Billionaire Republican who um is up for a nepotism seat.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, I mean, I his dad was the senator.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I my notes are like all over the place, but one of them is just like nepotism in all big letters.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_02: It was the thing that most stood out to me when they were like tell like giving his like description of who he is as a person, and it's like, are you trying to make him likable?
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't understand what you're doing here.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like, why why have you made him a billionaire Republican uh with nepotism?
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, one of the um to me, this is such a 2002 movie, and one of the things that was really interesting to me when I re-watched this is how much in America, I don't know what it's like in the UK, but how much in America like what we have wanted from our like candidates has changed.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because nowadays, if there was a billionaire nepotism kid running for a US Senate office, running uh his campaign out of like a super fancy hotel, which would not happen, that does not happen, people would have been like, no, he's not gonna, he probably wouldn't have made it out of the primary.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, here at least Boris Johnson is in power, and he's very much that kind of person.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's not he's not a billionaire as such, but he's he comes from very, very a lot of wealth, and it's like it's technically nepotism that he got into the position he did.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think all of the last prime ministers of England you could probably say that about.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, also the ones who seem like they were around in my lifetime.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: Except for like maybe, maybe Tony Blair, but like even him, he's he's like kind of uh I don't know.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: There's not yeah, I don't like any of them.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, I um I agree in the sense that I am able to form an opinion.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna come out as anti-recent prime minister on this podcast.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: You heard it here first.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I was trying to think of who Ray Finds care.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: I guess his name is Chris.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: Chris to me is sort of adjacent to Michael Bloomberg.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_02: Right, yeah, yeah.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, who's like was is a billionaire, was the mayor of New York, and then just thought that he could become president in 2020 just by spending a bunch of money.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_02: Not just a bunch of money, a whole lot of money.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: So much money.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um the d I guess like Was it like a hundred million or something?
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god, I know.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: And he poached a lot of people from campaigns from like he but he got a lot of people from like good campaigns that were viable to go work for him because he paid so much money, which I can't um fault anybody for because like there's not a ton of money working on campaigns.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, there's not enough money to like no one, no matter how much of a billionaire you are, you would never run your campaign out of a fancy hotel like this.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: It just wouldn't happen.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: The that's one like myth I want to bust here on this podcast is um campaigns are run out of terrible, shitty hotel.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: Not even hotels, like the Saddis office building where like closets where the doors don't work.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: When I was working on a campaign in 2014 that used to be, it wasn't Obama's office, but it used to be an Obama office.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there were bars on the windows, and people used to do drugs and that come in from outside and do drugs in the bathroom.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I mean all of that is fine, but it's just like a far cry from a fancy hotel.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: Have you seen the movie Um Definitely Maybe?
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but a long time ago.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_02: Because there's a scene in that.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: Well, there's a lot of scenes in that, but like uh it where they're in these like campaign offices for Clinton, and those don't look great either.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like that's a more accurate representation of what it was like from what you're describing.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Anytime I see a political campaign on TV, and there are people in a nice room looking comfortable, I'm like, that's wrong.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's not how it is.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: We don't have the money for this.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: There's no money.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: I used to have to on one campaign, we worked so much that I would take naps in the office, and I used to take naps seated on two swivel chairs.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: So, like with my body on one swivel chair and my legs on another swivel chair, and just like trying to sleep.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's awful.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, there are there are some I don't there are some parts of Made in Manhattan that get political campaigns right.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_02: Well, let's let first of all let's describe the movie for anyone who hasn't seen it.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um just describe the premise.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: So it's basically a a maid, uh a single mother, she's working in uh in a hotel, like a fancy hotel, and this she ends up uh through like a series of of mishaps, ends up uh mistaken identity.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, it's a case of mistaken ident identity with this pol with this politician uh who's running for office and she um she's dressed up in like fancy clothes by just because she's put them on because she's like looking at them in the hotel room, and then he thinks that she's this one person, but she's not, and so he starts falling for her, she starts falling for him, and then things go from there, basically.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and it turns out that she was a maid, and everyone was like, But you're a maid, you can't date a billionaire, and she's like, But I can date a billionaire.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's uh not only that, she's a Latin maid, a Latina maid, which is like but they describe her as Mediterranean in one scene.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: Do they?
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're her, um I think she's well, I guess like when I thought it was interesting because at one scene Chris, played by Rafe Fines, this candidate for US Senate, describes her as Mediterranean looking.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: Which I guess is just more about him.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that sounds like something they would say as well, though.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um but that does bring up an interesting theme because that I I did um the movie The Wedding Planner on here, which also starts Jared.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: Also good.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_02: In that she's Italian.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: For no reason.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well, she speaks Spanish and made in Manhattan, so I think that yeah, that's why when you said they describe her as Mediterranean, I was like, wait, what?
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: I forgot she played an Italian in Wedding Planner.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: And that's like the same year as this, or like a year before this, or something like that.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: They came out like within each other within the space of a year.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um compared to this, there is no chemistry between the two of them in this movie.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I wrote down good flirting like five times.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: Good flirting.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's the it's like my biggest my biggest flaw of this movie is the chemistry between the two of them.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think that there was more chemistry between her and Matthew McConaughey?
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, but not much, because I also don't think there's much in there.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_02: But do you not?
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_02: But I think they're closer.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_02: There's like a you feel more of a romantic connection between the two of them.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: This this feels this one feels very rushed.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't feel like they're connecting a whole lot, and then their chemistry is just kind of lacking the whole time.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I I think that if you're comparing who is better at being in a rom-com, Rafe Fienes, who is also Voldemort, or Matthew McConaughey, I think that everyone is gonna across the board be like, yeah, Matthew McConaughey, he's a more romantic lead, he's better at flirting, he's like a looser, like he's just loose in his body, whereas Ray Fiennes isn't, and this character is uptight.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's I think it's supposed to be love at first sight.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: I wrote down at some point that this could have, if somebody had said that this was based on a Shakespeare play, sort of in like a she's the man type of thing, I would I would believe it.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's very like a case of mistaken identity, um, you know, upper class, lower class.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um there's like a farcical element to it.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then it all works out at the end.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like I if somebody had said this was Shakespeare, I would have believed it.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's actually based on a true story.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: Which senator?
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_02: It says that it's Lucy based on the 19 in 1959, Stephen Clark Rockefeller, son of New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller, married Anne-Marie Rasmussen, a maid who had worked at his family's Manhattan Hotel.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um I totally believe it.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um of course it was the Rockefellers.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, who else is it gonna be?
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, I mean, if we're talking about like rich Americans who think that they should be in office and spend a lot of time in fancy hotels, like that's that okay.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: At the end, when people were like, How could you think you should you could you should be in a relationship with him?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking, like, why shouldn't she try to be in a relationship with him?
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: They like each other, yeah.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: He's respectful, yeah.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's nice to her.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he never does anything wrong in the movie.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think he ever does anything wrong, technically.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, he doesn't do anything wrong.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: He's never he's really good with her son.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's the first the first meeting, is like her him meeting her her son, played by Tyler Posey as well, which is very weird.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't teen wolf, yeah.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I didn't realize until um his name came up.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's cute, that's a good kid.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was um like immediately it's uh he's very pro-Nixon, which is a hot take.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: Another strange thing about this is like there's like real Republican-leaning vibes to this movie.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's super Republican, and I think that, and then they're like later on, she explains that he's obsessed with the 19 um 70s, and that's how he's pro-Nixon.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that there's so many other things that could have happened that happened in the 70s that he could have become obsessed with, besides Richard Nixon, or you could become obsessed with like it should be anti-Nixon.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's never shown as being anti-Nixon, he's just shown as being like into Nixon, like interested in what happened.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um I know, which is very strange.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like the whole thing is it's like the kid is like the whole thing about him is he has to give a speech at the start uh at school, and he gives this whole speech about Nixon, and then he like fumbles it and runs off stage because everyone's laughing at him.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_02: Right, he bombs.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: Which I we know the feeling of like bombing.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you do, but yeah.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, I know the feeling of bombing.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I think it's good to get a a bomb like that in early when you're young.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: But they never go back to it uh again.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: They never like do they?
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he has to make well, so he has to make that big speech.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he doesn't have to, but right at the end when he goes to the press conference that Chris is giving, and he speaks in front of all of the reporters and he's really eloquent.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think that's supposed to be like, oh, Chris has taught him how to overcome his nervousness because he's so good with kids.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: One thing I did like actually was when he was like, he he goes down and he like tells him, um, oh, I to get over my nerves, I hold a paperclip because all the nervous energy goes through there, and like um who are who is it he said that used to do it as well?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: Was it Kissinger?
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Kissinger again.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: These people.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if he's gonna come say anyone, he's gonna say Kissinger or someone like that, but um yeah, it's just weird.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: This movie was from 2002, which is right after 9-11.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: Which is um not to be all 9-11 on this podcast, but I think Republicanism was better back then.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that's probably why it's so Republican, because it's like rah-rah America.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just trying to look up when it was filmed as well, though.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um Right.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: It was it could have been filmed like right after 9-11.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: So it came out December 2002.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um doesn't say though when it was filmed.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: But it might it must have been like, yeah, like a f only a few months after, because it it looks like they film it over kind of the like winter period.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: So very strange.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think that's maybe what I blame the republicanism on.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: Well, do you know who origin who originally wrote the story for this as well?
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: Which is another thing that will baffle you.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, but I guess I want to guess John Hughes.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_02: Correct.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: How did you get that?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: I know he um ghostwrote some stuff in like the in the 2000s and 90s that he didn't really take credit for.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he w he asked that his name be taken off of this.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's so weird because it's a good movie.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: But well, he said that it's like it doesn't reflect anything of what he came up with, basically.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: Gotcha.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: So he wanted his name taken off.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: By the time it came to the script, it was like completely different.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: But like it's strange that he kind of I don't know.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: This is one of the last things he wrote or came up with a story idea for.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: He did this and then Drill Bit Taylor, and that was it.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yikes.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um But yeah, looking at looking into his stuff from like the 90s onwards, it's just not good stuff.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: He really captured a moment and then the moment moved on, yeah.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: And he didn't move on as well as he could have.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I also think that his stuff doesn't hold up as well over time now.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, it doesn't.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then when you hear like um the behind the scenes stories of like Judd Nelson being really mean to Rally Wing Wall Ring Walls, you just like feel sad about that.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's all stuff that, yeah, it's very 80s.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah he said he he requested his because it was had very little of his original script, which was originally set in Chicago.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that makes sense.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: And he used the pseudonym Edmund Dante's from the title character of the Count of Monte Cristo.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: And he used the same credit on Beethoven.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: That says a lot about what John Hughes thinks about himself, that his pseudonym is the Count of Monte Cristo guy.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, a good movie would I would watch a movie about like the Rockefeller guy falling in love with the maid.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: I would watch a legit recreation of that.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well the other thing is that it was originally when I think I saw where is it?
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: It says something about that here.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, it was gonna be set in the 1920s when he was uh gonna make it, and uh it was gonna be Hillary Swank.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: And then Sandra Bullock expressed interest and Julia Roberts passed on it.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I would watch, I would watch that.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like an art deco um yeah, I would watch an art art deco version of this movie.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 100%.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: And John Hughes was gonna direct it as well, based from his own screenplay, which is like that's a very different movie.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: Hillary Swank 1920s John Hughes movie that's very different to this.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: When I was watching this movie, I thought that it had a um hard, it was hard to place like the time for it because it was mostly people wearing uniforms and suits, but then don't really evolve too much.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's true, but they also have the flip phones, right?
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the flip phones and um anytime I watch one of these movies, like one of my notes is is this how hotels work?
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know at like really fancy hotels.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Do you get personalized flower arrangements left that you do?
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: I bet you do.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: And they know, like, oh, she loves lavender, so we're gonna give her a sprig of lavender.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I guarantee there's stuff like that.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I'll never know.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: No one will ever do that.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'll never be that kind of customer.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_02: You might work at a you might work for a campaign that where it's like a very fancy person that then you'll like discover that someday.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I would be like, you're spending money on the hotel that we need to spend on the voters.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: You're not gonna reach as many people.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then I would quit that campaign because they would be like, I don't want to actually I would stay on that campaign for the fancy hotels.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: I take that back.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't mean that you get to stay in them though, that's the problem.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Jerry seemed to spend a lot of time in the hotel room, and I think I would be like, Oh, I think I'm just gonna like stay in like this suite to type up my notes and not go home.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then before anybody realized that I would be living there.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: And you'd get a better night's sleep than those chairs as well.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, I'm sure I would get a better night than whatever like whole apartment I would crawl into if I lived in New York, I would definitely stay in the family hotel as much as I could.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, one thing I want to say about Stanley Cucci as well, who's the Jerry character, like, how is he about 30 years older there than he is now?
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how is he he looks the same?
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: No, he looks older.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: He looks older?
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think because he's playing someone whose job is more stressful than his real life.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: He looks terrible there.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this movie has an amazing cast.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: Francis Conroy is like hardly in it, but she is in it.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: Bob Hoskins is hardly in it.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: Bob Hoskins is such a strange role.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: I know, and he's doing an accent, and he doesn't, he barely has any lines.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Amy Sederis, I was so happy to be reminded that Amy Sederis is in this, and I have a theory.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: Did you watch Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's the same universe because Amy Sederis is pretty much just playing Mimi Knassis, except that she's not as like doesn't have like a screw loose.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that it's the same character.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: Amy Sederis's character in this, like, went through some hard times and evolved into Mimi Kinassis, who she is in Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's basically the same fact.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's right after that workout, just yeah.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she gets in she like JLo says something really mean to her, and then like that's what makes Amy Sederis' character snap.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even realize it was her at first.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: I thought it was the the girl that's always in like uh legally blonde and white chicks and those movies.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: That's like always the best friend.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Judy Greer.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, not Judy Greer.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's like um there's a ty there's a girl that's like always that looks like Amos Adaris in in those movies.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's um Elwood's best friend in in Legally Blonde.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Jennifer Coolidge?
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, like younger than that, way younger.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, okay.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: I know who you're talking about, but I don't know her name.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't know.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: She was only the best friend, I think, in Legally Blonde.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: And White Chicks as well.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: And White Oh, yeah, she was in White Chicks, which I just rewatched.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: I just rewatched it for the podcast recently.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I'm like that's why she's on my mind as well.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: I love the Waynes brothers.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: They um are only ever do really good things.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um so that does actually bring me to a qu a the question I haven't asked you yet, but which is how many times have you seen this?
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: I saw it around when it came out, and then I rewatched it when I was working on a political campaign.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think I re-watched it when I was working on a campaign in 2014.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, that's crazy.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't realize this was also about a campaign.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then I just re-watched it for this movie.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: Or for this podcast.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, so not much then, but you still will you're still like a big fan of it.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that I was a big fan of it.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think I remember watching it when I was working on a campaign and being like, that is actually there are some things that are fairly accurate from Stanley Tucci's character to working on a campaign.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I like that because most movies and TV shows get it really wrong.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so just getting it kind of right is okay with me.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I also um I think I I like J Lo.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't, I'm not really familiar with J Lo's music so much, but I am really familiar with her as a rom-com star.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I just in general like her as a rom-com star.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I like her as a rom-com star as well.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think she's the best thing about the movie, which is like I kept writing down, like I kept track of how many times I said he's so hot outside, out loud.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm just so attracted to I think Ray Finds is really hot, like in general.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: But in this, I think he's I mean, they let him just be like a normal, hot, rich guy.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I just think I'm on board for that.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think that I'm able to, in my head, maybe go back to 2002 and be like, what a great catch.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: But nowadays I would be like, ew, billionaires, eat the rich.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I don't know, they just kind of let him be charming and easygoing, and like we said, he does literally nothing wrong the entire time.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, but that's that that's more like the that he does nothing.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's more to the thing, the fact that he does nothing.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: Last night when I was watching this and I was making my copious notes, I was like, this movie is a 10 out of 10.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: No one does anything wrong.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: Why wasn't this nominated for Oscars?
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: I can't imagine why why anyone would hate this movie.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: But then I was like, I was thinking about it.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: There's like it's not very funny.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, not at all.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: There's now there's no comic relief.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's very strange, isn't it?
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's like very dull.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's the is the time term I'd use for this movie.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's it.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's pretty dull.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: The comic relief is, I think, supposed to be like the horny maid friend.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, really?
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: Who's not even that horny and not even like that And barely in it as well, and barely in it, and she's mostly just there to be encouraging to J-Lo, but not in like a like a Judy Greer way who's able to like be funny.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then Amy Sederis is like super underused.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I wish they'd used her more.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: But also she could have been like a lot kookier.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: Also, speaking of people underused, Natasha Richardson's so underused in this.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's who that is.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: But you're trying to remember who is.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: She also doesn't do it, she also doesn't do anything wrong either.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, she kind of does.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: Well, okay, at the end, yes.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: And she is like out of touch, but I also don't think that she is a person who would be in touch with things.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think she's kind of just like doing what that character would do, but she's not like a big character.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: She's she should have been like meaner earlier.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: Should have been meaning.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, at the end, when she like gets everyone fired, um, is bad.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: But again, I don't think that like sh sh they could have presented her as more evil.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: I think one way is like the first thing they the first thing they do to try and make her seem evil is like the like the weird tipping she does to her.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: But I think it would have been weirder if she didn't tip her at all.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: I think they shouldn't have to not tipped.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: Just like order her to go do something, and then like she's paying out of pocket or something like that to help her out.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and J-Lo didn't seem to be too upset about like the errand she was running, so it didn't seem like it was too like out of character.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: She was only upset once because she was gonna be late, but then like the rest of the time she's fine with it.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and she was only late because of her son's speech.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: It was like it seemed like a normal, normal day at work for her with like a demanding rich lady.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and not even that like kooky, like she could have been weirder, she could have been um more like flamboyant, but she also seemed sort of like old money, understated rich.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, I no one really did.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, J Lo's the one who did something wrong.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she stole the dress.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and that outfit is also really boring because it's just like a white suit and a beige coat.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: You could have found something fancier or like more dramatic too, or like sluttier, or just like a more interesting outfit instead of a white suit and a beige coat.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like that was JLo picking that outfit as well.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: I guess.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, she looked really good, but it's the sort of stuff that she would that she wore around that time.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm sure she was like, I want this outfit.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or I just have this outfit.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: She still kind of dresses like that.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I did think there was like a face-sitting joke, which I thought was sort of raunchier.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's the raunchistic is, isn't it?
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: The raunchiest thing, and also slightly more progressive than um I was expecting for such a pro-Nixon movie.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: And um I was surprised by that.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I thought.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, there wasn't the flirting was good, but it wasn't very sexual.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: I just had to look up the rating of it.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: It was uh it's PG 13, which kind of surprised me.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_02: It feels like it could be a PG, to be honest.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it could have been PG.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember any swear words.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um the flirting was good, I think, just because like J-Lo and Ray Feines are good actors.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: They're both very good.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they are both very good actors.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um Do you want to hear something disappointing though?
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, do they not like each other?
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's well, no, not that.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: He just he said that he regretted making this movie.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, it's just that's all it says.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: Is it because he wasn't like British in it and scary?
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: Probably because it was the way it came out, I reckon.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I think he did a good job.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: I wish that he had been in more romantic comedies.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's something I wrote down.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: I would like to see him and I would have liked to have seen him in more rom coms.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, just not just a better they need a better matching.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't think they're a good match.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um however, one weird thing is it's voted 35th, voted 35th among Britain's favourite rom coms.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: So strange.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: What's number one?
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: Notting Hill?
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, probably Notting Hill.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: I bet it's love actually.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's one of those Richard Curtis ones.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: I yeah, definitely Richard Curtis.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody loves love, actually.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's the worst Richard Curtis movie.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like it.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I'm so big into Richard Curtis.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: He's you're big into like British stuff as well.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't think American stuff is as funny as British stuff.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I blame my dad for that.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's not my fault, I think.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's just like too too much Monty Python too early.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: That is something, yeah, that's very to get an American into Monty Python is quite a feat early.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't have a choice.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: I was like a toddler and clapping coconuts together.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um and now I really only laugh if there's a British accent.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's why like if Rafe had been, if he had been a rich British guy coming over and like the politics part wasn't in it, that could have been good.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe he would have been like um a better, you know, maybe it would there would have been more chemistry if he had been British.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think, yeah, I think why not make him British and make it like some kind of event that he has to go to there as opposed to like he's running for office in America, uh in New York specifically.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um because like even the running for office thing, there seems no, it doesn't feel like there's any stakes to it.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: No, there's no stakes to it.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: He's in a primary.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, some of the stuff that I do, like the thing that I think that they get right is Stanley Tucci's character constantly hounding him and being on his case about needing to do stuff that's 100% accurate.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they talk about needing to go to a league of women voters meeting, and that's that is so on the ball.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um the only criticism I have for Stanley Tucci is a real campaign manager would just kind of hate their life a lot more than he portrays.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's almost like he wants to, he wants to be chasing his candidate, like he wants to be nagging him.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: And um the ambition is right, but he should be slightly like there should be like a haunting in his eyes that wasn't there that is in the eyes of every campaign manager I've ever met.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like they're too tired.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he did a good job of looking really tired, and um, I think he he just could have like been more exasperated.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right, okay.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's interesting you say that.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna ask if you felt felt for his character in this movie, but I guess not.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: I did feel for him because the manager having to hound the candidate when the candidate gets ideas of like, oh, I'm just gonna I'm gonna take a walk.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: I need to walk my dog.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: I can't how many candidates have been like, oh sorry, I can't like make these calls that I need to make that have been on the schedule for days because I need to walk my dog.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_02: That would, yeah, that would drive me crazy.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, no, just please, this is the one thing we need.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: I know it is like the can't candidates are exhausted and they have so much to do, but also like it's their name on everything, so they kind of need to put the work in.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um my guess is that Chris, the candidate, whose last name I cannot remember, um I want to say Marshall, Chris Marshall.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, that that took me out as well because it's Chris Marshall is a famous actor.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: He does seem very entitled.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so my guess is that he thinks that he doesn't need to work that hard.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't think he and as evidenced he doesn't, because he ends up winning.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: So he wins.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, the thing that I want to talk about the most is the word manager and how much they say it.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: Because of her.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: I wish that I had counted.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: By the end of the movie, I really regretted count not counting how many times the word manager is said.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: They also seem to talk about JLo becoming a manager in the way that people maybe talk about getting like tenure at a university or um going into space if you're a pilot.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_00: Because they talk about it in the way that, like, nothing will be wrong, all of your problems will be solved, you'll get to do whatever you want for the rest of your life when you become a manager.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: They even say at one point, like, when you're a manager, you get to make your own rules, which I don't think is accurate to being someone in management.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: So I got really distracted.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, because I had to look up manager in the script just to see how many times it was said.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: How many times did they say it?
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_02: What is your guess?
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: 130.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's 14.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: 14?
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's not right.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's not right.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: Manage the word manager, maybe there's management and things along those lines, but manager is only 14.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: There are there are scenes where I think that they say there's whole scenes where they just say the word manager 14 times.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: I thought so as well, but maybe management in general, but at the end they have management-specific magazines that JLo is on the cover of.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what it is?
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what it is?
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's all in like one.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: I I'm looking at it now, it's all in like one big chunk.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, like it's like chunk of manager words, chunk of manager words, chunk of manager words.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: That's why it seems like it's a lot.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I like that she's ambitious and has a plan for her life.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't understand why everyone in the movie is just like so horny for managers.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's fair.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's a very um what's the term?
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no, I can't think of the term, but it's I think it's it's fake that they made it up for the movie.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_02: You think they made it up for the movie?
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think they made up people making such a big deal about someone becoming a manager for the movie.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like there's people like that.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: I guess they're I guess I'm not very like and I'm not as ambitious as uh Marissa Ventura from this movie.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, well, she's not really that ambitious.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: She doesn't want the job.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: She no, she wants she's been talking about being a manager for years before she applies.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: She doesn't she doesn't even apply.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: She doesn't apply, but um her friend has been.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think she's scared of her own greatness.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: Scared of who she can be.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um she's scared of who she can be in her own potential.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: And she needs Chris Marshall to tell her that she's worth more.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know Chris then the the actor Chris Marshall?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: Are you aware of who that is?
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: So he's he's in doctor he's in love actually.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um he's the guy that goes to America.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I thought.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, as soon as you said Love Actually, I thought he was the one who goes to America.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: And he like he always comes up as the name for like the new doctor in Doctor Who every time.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but he's yeah, he's never got it, but yeah.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: I have I can't picture him.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: I can only picture him from Love Actually, like I can't picture like a modern day version of Love.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: He he was like he was he's been around here for like years because he was in a TV show called My Family, which ran for like I want to say like 10-15 years or something.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: It was ridiculous.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_02: And then um he was on a series of like BT commercials here.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_02: And they were like very big.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um so everyone knows who he is.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe he just has a good agent who throws his name in the hat for that role.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that would go to it.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think he should get it.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he should get it.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not even a huge Doctor Who fan, but I don't think he should get it.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um I th I fell off Doctor Who when Matt Smith was.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's when I was doing like a big rewatch, or I was doing a big watch of it, and I fell off um during the Matt Smith years.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's fair.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's about the time I stopped, really, as well.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I didn't go back.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: I just I didn't go like all the way back, obviously.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: That was too much.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_02: You mean you went from like the new the new version of it?
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Christopher Eccleson.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then to Matt Smith.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that's what I did as well, pretty much.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's what a lot of people did.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's what a lot of people did.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: The production value is a little bit hard.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: I oh god, I don't want to say that because I think that's risky, but it's hard to sometimes watch bad CGI.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: And the um Doctor Who series should get more money, is the stance that I'm taking, is they should get more money to do or they get too much money, is that what you're saying?
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_02: No, what they get, they they intentionally make it like that, basically.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: They could they could make it work, they they could make it for look better and everything, but they intentionally make it like kind of cheesy.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_02: Sillier?
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well then that's fine.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: As long as they well, they obviously know what they're doing.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not I'm not on a British person's podcast to rag about Doctor Who.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: That is not how my day is going.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: Do what you need to do.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not even like Gonna be offended if you I wouldn't even be offended if you hated it.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right, but I don't want that like in the canon of my life.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: Fair.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um okay, so back to this movie then.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's uh who like there's stuff in it that I just wish that they touched on more, like the the whole issue with the the father that's not that that's not around for the boy for the to attire.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um all they get is like one phone call from him saying that he's he's in uh he's like on vacation.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um like if they're gonna make it a thing where like the father's an absent father and it's upsetting the son, at least like bring it up a little bit more than that.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: Or I guess the son is like so thirsty for a father figure that he'll like manufacture one out of an elevator, right?
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: But and that's probably why he's so quickly, or that's probably why like the writer and directors were like, yeah, that's why he's so quickly glommed on to Chris Marshall because he just suffered a disappointment from his dad.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: But the disappointment from his dad was also really overshadowed by the speech that he gave.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's almost like you don't even really get his reaction to being sad about his dad because he's just like so sad that he did a bad job at the speech.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's just very strange.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm just thinking about like he's completely off of like the subject of that, but I'm just remembering the opening.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: And do you did you notice anything in the opening credits?
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh anything specific that stood out to you?
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: I was just like, this movie has a lot of money to get Simon and Garfunkel.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, there's that, first of all.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um And I wrote down Simon and Garfunkel.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's just a whole note that I wrote down, just the just the band name.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's one other thing, actually.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: They make it about a whole thing about like uh he's running into that music and everything, but then they it's like only at the beginning, then never again.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, what did I miss in the beginning?
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: So he's really into Simon and Garfunkel and Bread, the the band bread, and then like that's it.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, sorry, what did you miss at the beginning for the okay?
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: So the in the opening shots, there's a staircase in it, and it's the staircase from Joker, and I was like immediately recognizing it.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh Jesus Christ.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, because it's in the Bronx.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, and she's not specific about where she lives.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: No, but it's it's very obviously the Bronx, and then like there's a point where she where they go up to go for the bus, they have to walk up that staircase as well.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh god.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's I never saw the Joker.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_02: Don't don't see it.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I I but I know the staircase because I mean they live on the internet.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I would have picked up on yeah, they're they're not specific enough about where she lives.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think that you're supposed to know that it's the Bronx from context clues and the fact that it's J Lo, but because it's J Lo, I'm surprised they don't mention the Bronx.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_02: Especially at that time.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: Especially at that time.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, where she was over the side.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_02: See, I thought they were gonna do that more, and they didn't really touch on it.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_02: Beyond like she goes home what you see her go home like once when she's fired.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um you see, yeah, but then she like immediately leaves again.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_00: So like And she's like immediately like critical of him.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like they just met, she's pretending to be someone else, and she's like, You need to spend more time, you know.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: And she's right, like I'm on her side, but it also is sort of like a harsh take for someone who you just met, who you're also lying to, who you also are romantically attracted to.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like, maybe you should just like two out of three and be nice to them, and just be like, sure, like I'm also fancy like you.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: But here's my other thing though about the two of them.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_02: So beyond like a physical attraction between the two of them, what do they really talk about?
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: The the boy.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_00: The kid.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and eventually management.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, management.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because he's also manages things as a billionaire and an assemblyman.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: I guess.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, he manages No, I mean, I guess that's what they talk about.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's what they talk about.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: Being in leadership, yeah.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: Being on magazines, wow, what a connection they have there.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they're both natural leaders.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_02: She should have been his campaign leader.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_02: That's what she should have.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna say this.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_00: She probably had more in common, like, more in common with the campaign manager.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: She's probably what a twist that would have been if they she ended up with Stanley Tucci.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_00: It would have been a much better movie if there had been a love at first sight between her and Stanley Tucci.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: Looking his worst, too.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then they and then she realized that she realizes she loves Stanley Tucci, and then he realizes he actually loves uh Natasha Richardson's character, because they have more in common.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, right.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, I mean they probably should be together.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, why does he not want to be with Natasha Richardson?
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_02: I think he just likes the other thing as well, like I think they could they could have brought up like a whole thing about she could have been skeptical of him thinking it was just optics that she he was interested in her.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: I guess maybe he doesn't like her just because he likes J-Lo so much.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's what I mean.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like he likes J-Lo for optics.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, there's not enough of that.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: That would have been that would have Stanley Tucci should have done more research.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then he could have realized nowadays that would be really good optics.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if those optics would have been good then.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, I guess that's true.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: Also, single people like almost never run for office.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's true as well.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a really strange thing, isn't it?
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then like the people I know who are single who are in office have a really hard time going on dates.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I find I think I can say this.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you can say this on your because you work in politics, but like that's why I find the whole like Corey Booker, Rosario Dilson thing.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if I necessarily believe them.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's just weird to be It's like the timing of that one was very strange.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: It just seems so hard to be an elected official, you're so busy, and then also try to date.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then it's just weird to be like, oh yeah, US senator and a girlfriend.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm I'm pro I'm fine with that.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm fine.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not against it happening.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't know if I believe the two of them.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: And the wording of it is weird because you just so expect someone to have a spouse and like a happy family.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: There are elected officials who don't have kids.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: I one of my former opponents who didn't have kids got like a family portrait taken with his nieces and nephews.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_00: So as to seem like he had children, and they weren't lying to anyone.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: They would be like, Yeah, with his nieces and nephews.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: But when you're just looking at a photo, it's very clearly like a family man.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_02: That's a bit shady.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and like single, there's other stuff where people have been like, Oh, yeah, I'm interested in running for this higher office.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: And other people have said, not me, other people have said, You're no one's gonna elect you because you're a single man.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's very strange, isn't it?
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like just right, like that I guess it's like a trust thing that people have with like single people.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_02: What is that?
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think well, I think pre I think sometimes it's like pre-modern era, you don't want to come off as homosexual.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: So you're like, this is my wife, and then like some of those people are secretly gay, yeah, or uh queer, um, or interested in look seeing uh the different side of things.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then I like realistically, it does seem hard to run for office if you don't have like a partner to lean on when you need it, like it is really strenuous and difficult to do.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: And like you, I think you do need like a a close personal person to um to to be a part of your circle to help you.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like we always recommend that for people.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um have you ever had have you had people that you've had to work with that are single and then you're like then you start thinking, oh no, this is gonna be hard.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be a challenge.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: It it's well, one, it's more about like how much money you can raise and like the voters in your district than if you have uh Yeah, obviously it's not like the be all and end all of a campaign, but I think like everyone who run you know, people who run for office tend to be people who are able to like bring people together and do have like a natural charisma.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: So like the people who run for office, even if they're running for office as a single person unattached romantically, like they have friends, they have family, um, they have enough charisma that people like really like glom onto them.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_00: I did not really get that from Chris Marshall.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't think he would have excelled.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_00: One, he seems really lazy for an elected official.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: We know nothing about his entire like or something.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's running, yeah, or his family.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_00: They like, well, we know that he's nepotism and that he's got family money.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think that he is coasting on name recognition alone.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_00: My guess is that he was well known even before he became an assembly.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, because he always had like family money, and my guess, he probably has the same, he's probably like Chris Mitchell III.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I don't he wouldn't go, even as a billionaire, he wouldn't go far without um the name recognition.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_00: And also, like, that's one of those things when people were saying like Oprah should be president.
• 54:14
  unknown: Oh god.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oprah, Oprah can do so much more, not president.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's the other thing, isn't it?
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and she can do so much more with her money, she can do so much more as a private citizen, and she's like got so much fewer, like she doesn't have to worry about all that stupid shit.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like a hot billion billionaire single dude like Chris Marshall should not be running for U.S.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: Senate.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: He should be like, if he really wants to help people, he should just like throw a bunch of money at things.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_02: But where's the fun in that for them?
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_00: But he but he wants to.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: He wants the power.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it would have been cool if he had been like, oh, I have to fill my father's shoes and like really conflicted.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_02: And he's not actually interested in the job.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right, but he's like, oh, this is like my father's like just died, and his last wish was I should be a senator just like.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: What I'm really looking for is love.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and he's like, Oh, but I really conflicted, and then like J Lo could have been like, Oh, actually, you could not be a senator and invest your money in this in the Bronx.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_02: Well, she does say kind of say that to him at one point.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_02: When there's that$225,000 plate uh uh party thing.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, right, which I actually I$2,500, sorry, not$25,000.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: Right, which is pretty cheap for a I thought that that was a pretty cheap plate for a um I've had to like put put on these sorts of events, nothing like that fancy um as that.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_00: But even for 2002, I thought that that's like not a super expensive for those people who are wearing six thousand dollar outfits and staying in that hotel uh when he probably has a house in the city, like he probably lives in the city.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't understand why he's staying in a hotel.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like$3,000 for a plate at a fundraiser is like small potatoes, I think.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_00: At the Met too.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, at the Met as well.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't I missed it.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_02: Was at the Met.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was at the Met because I wrote down, is this the Met Gala?
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's just a different gala at the Met.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right, right.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_00: And they film at the Met too.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_00: This movie had a lot of money.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I'm almost positive they filmed a scene at the Met.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_02: Let me see what it cost.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then um, yeah, it cost 55 million.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then they got two Nora Jones songs to play at the end, and I was like, oh my god, every romantic comedy in the early 2000s was probably like fighting with each other to get those two Nora Jones songs, but made in Manhattan, they got the rights and they did a really good job of using them.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, they they really did.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's it's it works in these movies, actually.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_02: In this movie.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um the music is good.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_02: The music is good in this movie.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I don't see anything about the Met, but they filmed at the World of Astoria for the hotel.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um and there oh, production dates as well.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_02: So filming dates 27th of April 2002 to 6th of June 2002.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_02: So they filmed right through like spring into summer.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and that's yeah, that's about like six months after 9-11.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, I think that's probably why it's so pro-Republican.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh dear.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um but they also filmed in Chicago.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's weird.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I I would have liked it in Chicago.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_00: But it literally Oh, interesting.
• 57:52
  unknown: Strange.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like there's so many New York like they go to that rock in Central Park.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_00: Which I would not climb in that outfit if I was J Lo and I was wearing basically stolen clothes and a big thing.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_02: If I'm trying to hide the fact that I'm wearing these clothes ever, I would not climb that rock.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't climb that rock in a nice outfit on a good day on my in my own clothes.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_00: Wearing white pants, I wouldn't climb it.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, wearing white, I would never climb that.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I was just the the thing that made me laugh is that when they go up there, he's like, oh, it's so hidden from everything.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, are you serious?
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the most visible place out of the whole of the park.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what are you talking about?
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_00: To me, that speaks to someone he probably grew up on an apartment that like looks over Central Park.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_00: And to him, that's probably like, oh, Central Park is my playground, and I know all these hidden spots, like this big rock.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_00: But really, it's like he doesn't even think about like the normal people who use Central Park who aren't a billionaire.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_02: But it's funny because it's like they go there to hide from the paparazzi, and they're like, he's like, This is my secret spot, and like, no, it's not secret.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's so so first of all, it's famous, and it's so out in the open that everyone can see you on there.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's why it's so popular.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and if JLo can climb it in that outfit pretty easily, then like anyone can get up there and it's not secret or hidden.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and like that kid, like J Lo also works next to next to Central Park.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like, she's probably explored Central Park, like Oh, yeah, of course.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_00: Pretty much.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it seems she like she grew up in New York and she works next to the park.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, even Chai knows the area.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, Can we go see the penguins?
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was fun.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_00: Did you go to work with your parents when you were a kid?
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, probably.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_02: Not that I don't remember it, but yeah.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_00: I remember going to work with my parents and like having a lot of fun.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_02: Right, okay.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_00: Or at least like thinking it was interesting, or at least being happy that I wasn't like, I guess, at home or at school.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_00: And Ty's pretty bummed about it, but I wonder if he has to do it a lot.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_02: Probably.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_02: I bet he has to do it like weekly.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_00: Probably.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_00: It'd be fun.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_02: I guess it'd be Imagine that's your Saturday that you've got to go sit in the hotel.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's not really uh, but what do kids do anyway?
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: What are kids in New York City?
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_02: I guess now he'd be an iPad.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_02: Kids in New York City, what do they do?
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_00: I guess he'd like run around with his friends and grandma.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, probably.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_02: But he doesn't really have any friends either, that's the other thing.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right, because they all laugh at him because he bombed.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_00: And none of it yeah, he doesn't have any friends.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_00: He has a pretty small life.
• 1:00:33
  unknown: He really does.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, she has a small life.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's quite sad.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: They they imply that she hasn't had sex in a long time, I think in like a really polite way.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of forget how it happens, but like rom-coms are always about a woman who's hasn't had sex in a long time.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and normally like it's Judy Greer or another friend being like, you need to get laid, like you haven't gotten a dick in a really long time.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but here they're just sort of like really like subtle about it, which I appreciate.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: But again, this movie could have had a joke if they had had like a character who was like really loud and annoying, or if they had like a comic relief character being like, you need to catch a dick.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they don't say that to her, but they say like her best friend does go like say something along the lines of like, doesn't she say, like, oh, I got I had sex last night or something like that?
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_02: And she's like, Oh, you've only ever got she goes, like, you've only ever got like pepperoni on the mind or something.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, and she calls it a pepperoni.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's really embarrassing.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_00: I forget what the scene is, but I wrote down they imply she hasn't had sex in a polite, understated way.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_02: Some of my notes, but it's also J-Lo as well.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, that's not that's no, and that's not rom com.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's not like rom commable to be like polite and understated about sex is um not uh early 2000s uh romantic comedy in America.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's not how they do it.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, the calling it a pepperoni is really embarrassing.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_02: It yeah, it they just seem the the thing about it when she says it, it's like really naughty that she's saying it as well.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's just so yeah I just like what are you doing?
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then she she hasn't had sex in a long time.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_00: She can't say the word penis, and she calls it a pepperoni, but then when she she does have sex with someone, it's under false pretenses because she's lying about her name.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, I didn't even think of it like that.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_00: So she can't say penis, but she can have sex with someone with like wrapped up in all these lies, who she knows she's never gonna have sex with again.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_00: So she's just gonna like leave him there thinking that she's someone else.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_00: She's the one who makes all the mistakes.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_00: She does, yeah.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_00: She does make she's the villain.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_02: I guess she is.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_02: Even the Republicans aren't the villains in this movie.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_00: She's the villain in her own story, which happens to the best of us.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but still, I mean, if we're talking about people who like did something wrong, it's kind of her.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's only, I would say it's well, her and then Natasha Richardson.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_02: I think they're the only two that really do anything.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I might be pro-Natasha Richardson.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_00: I or at least forgiving her.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_02: I get her perspective.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm pro the fact I'm pro her.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm on her side then with the fact that J-Lo stole her clothes.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_00: She stole her clothes.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't Natasha Richardson's fault that she got the lunch invitation.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_00: And she showed up for a lunch invitation.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's not her fault.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_00: And they had met before.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and she really boldly and embarrassingly like kisses him on the lips when they first meet.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't even think that that's like a British versus American thing.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's like a weird thing that she did.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_00: And the kiss was also awkward.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_02: But you think we go around kissing people on the lips?
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's what I know from British people.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a lot of mouth kisses.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's all we do.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then when she reports J Lo, I kind of think that that's okay that she reported J Lo.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, she was wearing a she was.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't think that people who work in the service industry steal.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_00: She was wearing a very expensive necklace that she shouldn't have been wearing if she was just a maid working in that hotel.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like, to be fair.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_00: And then she did steal her clothes.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_00: But she shouldn't have, like, there was no reason to go to the police, like, and it was all wrapped up.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_00: And that was too bad.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_00: And she got her fired, which is bad.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but for her, I don't again, I don't think that she did anything super wrong for someone with that much money in that role.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_00: It seemed like she was kind of just having a normal day.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's expected that she would do more.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um she should have been eviler, and then I would have been if she had been evil or cruel or like not tipped or even just like richer looking, she also sort of didn't even look super fancy.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_02: No, she really didn't.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_00: Which is they should have had Cruella from the Cruella movie as like Natasha Richardson kind of like that sort of vibe.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_02: That would have been so good.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't she in 101 Dalmatians as well?
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: She is in 101 Dalmasians.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_00: She passed away, right?
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay, yeah.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_00: That was Liam Neeson's wife.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she was Liam Neeson's wife.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_02: And apparently she was friends, she's actually was friends with um Ray Fines as well in real life.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because they're both like British people.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_02: I guess they're all in the same like circles, aren't they?
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_00: I was I recently looked at Ray Fines, not for this podcast, but I read his um well, I look at him a lot, um, but I read his Wikipedia page.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like old money fancy.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I feel like if your name Is spelled Raf Ralph, sorry, and you go by Wraith, like you can't not be old money fancy.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like because if he was if he grew up poor, he would have been Ralph Fines.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's so true.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_02: I've never heard anyone else called Rafe.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, Race Falls.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_00: Timothy's Rafe's Fall.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was gonna say Timothy's Falls song.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_02: But isn't that spelt Rafe?
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's spelt Rafe, yeah.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_00: He's in a cute TV show called Trying that I've watched on Apple.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even know that show.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't think anyone I haven't met anyone.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_02: Not that I know a lot of Apple shows, to be fair.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I've just been alone a lot watching TV.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_00: So you make it through um every time I'm like, what's a British show I haven't watched?
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it is a British show.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's British.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's cute.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting that they haven't re-plugged it here then.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know how Apple works over there.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what they're doing with Ted Lasso in England.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they barely plug anything Apple related here.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_02: They only like I'm not w like I know Ted Lasso because like I'm aware of like T what TV is at every like TV shows all over the world.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_02: But like it's not people don't really talk about it.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's it that makes sense.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_00: I guess they're I I guess they're just like it's an Amer I think they're really marketing it to Americans.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_02: They are, yeah.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_02: And then there's another one, uh Dickinson as well.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_02: They don't really plug in.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Dickinson.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's pretty American.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_00: But Ted Lasso somebody asked me if I thought Ted Lasso was a British TV show.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_02: I would suspect that's a tricky one.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_00: I said no at first, but then I've changed my mind because they had a Christmas episode, which is very British.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_02: I yeah, that's a good point.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_02: We love a Christmas episode.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they you love Christmas is different in England because we don't have Thanksgiving.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_02: So it's it's the one big thing at the end of the year that we get to do.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_00: Gotcha.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like in America, I mean, Christmas is like a big deal here, but in America, I don't think you'd get like a TV show that is currently on hiatus coming back to film a special Christmas episode.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_02: We love a Christmas special.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um like I I always think, oh, if I want to write stuff, I I when I want to write something, I'm like, oh, do I want to write a Christmas movie?
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_00: Do I want to write I mean there needs to be more good Christmas movies?
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_00: I would love a good British Christmas movie.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen one in a long time.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_00: I can't think of a good and that's me being really mean to Emma Thompson, who I adore.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_02: Are you talking about Last Christmas?
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_00: I am talking about Last Christmas.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_02: My friend's in one of the scenes of that movie.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_00: Your friend is an amazing actor.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_02: No, I think even he's aware that like it's not a great movie.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, but he did a great job.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_02: Remind me of who that is.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, your friends.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_00: Your buddy, your guy, your mate.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um he's got a first name and a last name, and he's great.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_02: He's he's the um he's he's got like barely any lines, but he's in the scene where um I don't even know if you remember the movie, but like basically when she has the one night stand at the start, he's that guy with the fish.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh okay, okay.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_00: I do remember that.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the movie is not the movie doesn't hinge on him.
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_02: No, of course not.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I who cares?
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_00: I would take a couple lines in a bad movie, also.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_02: He said Emma Thompson is the nicest person as well.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_00: And Amelia Clark seems fine.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's very nice.
• 1:09:45
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_00: Apparently she's really friendly.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah.
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I believe it.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, um, but there could be, and like, love actually, I don't think ages that well.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_02: Love actually is aging worse and worse over the years.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's aging worse and worse.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_00: The women in that movie are not.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_02: But that's given that's Richard Curtis all over.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_00: I Okay, we maybe like maybe we'll come maybe like I can come back and one day talk about Richard Curtis if you ever wanted to talk about Richard Curtis.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_02: Well, actually, this might lead into like the final segment then.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but how have we talked about everything in Made in Manhattan that you want to?
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let me like flip through my notes.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um Okay, one thing I thought was weird is like the um the horny friend knows J-Lo's like clothing and shoe sizes.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know my clothing and shoe sizes.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um that can't be true.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's different for like some like every clothing store, I feel like is different.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_02: I know what you mean there.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, like I do think this was well casted.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_00: I I disagree with you.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think the flirting was cute.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um well that I wrote the sex scene is perfect, Nora Jones.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um Yeah, I think I talked about, I feel like I've gotten to the crux of Made in Manhattan.
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'll say this.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_02: We haven't talked about the rate, those, the actual rating of it yet.
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_02: So it was thirty it's 38% on the Tomato meter from the critics, which is like just borderline uh before being in the being too good for this show.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um maybe because it's boring?
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's not bad.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good movie.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Again, it's a tight script.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's a very tight script, yeah.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_00: It works.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's like very to the point for each scene.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's like nothing wasted, I would say.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_02: I would say that.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um but the audience score, what do you think that is?
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was way better.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it was in the 60s.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's only 43, it's barely higher.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, I think people were still really sad about 9-11.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_02: That's awful.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_00: I just think that this movie is good, and I think I think I wrote down this is Cinderella.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_00: I believe in their love.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's a 10 out of 10 from me.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_00: I just think I really think that this is a good movie.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_02: Well, here's one thing that might make you happier.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_02: The wedding planner only has 17%, so this is like over double.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and the wedding planner, I do not think is a good movie.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_00: After, I mean, upon a rewatch, I think like it it yeah, I think I don't think it's that good.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's a very good movie either.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um this is a better movie.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think they're about even this has a script that makes sense, everything wraps up nicely.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's also like a lot of like elements, I think, that are like traditional elements, like a mistaken identity and like a farcical thing, and like highs and lows.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_00: I really think it's Shakespeare in modern day.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Here's what here's what I will say then.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_02: The wedding planner is funnier, but this has a better story.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay, perfect.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_00: I agree entirely.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Matthew McConaughey's a funnier actor than Ray Fine.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_02: The wedding planner has too many like ridiculous moments as well.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_02: That like, I'm like, oh, I can't get on board with this.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_00: The shoe in the this is like a believable movie where real things happen to real people.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_02: This is more serious, and yeah.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um in fact, you know what?
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's not even called a rom romcom on on the thing, it's just a romance.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's purely a romance movie.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_00: What it's not norm core, but what is the mumblecore?
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_02: Mumblecore.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's almost more of like a mumblecore movie.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh well, imagine if they've made this a mumblecore movie.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, um, because it nothing, it's not like lol funny.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_00: The sex is like pretty blah.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_00: There's not a ton of chemistry between anyone, even though I do think the flirting is good and I love this movie, but it is more mumble core than rom-com.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_02: It definitely is.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's yeah, there's no, I would say they could take out all the comedy and it wouldn't matter.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_00: And there's so many funny people in it, like Amy Sederis is a very good thing.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_02: Amy Soderis is so funny all the time, and like even in this, it's not.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_00: I d that I just can't believe that you have Amy Sederis.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_02: Why would you waste her like that?
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not like she wasn't known at the time.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, she was Amy, she's always been known.
• 1:14:30
  SPEAKER_00: She's Amy Sederis.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um okay, so let's let's move on to the final segment then.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_02: If you've if you've covered everything.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_02: I feel good.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, good.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_02: So let's talk about the reverse of this then.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_02: But do you have a movie that's universally loved by critics and fans that that you think is actually a bad movie?
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_00: The Graduate.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh, solid choice.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's a terrible movie.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_02: Terrible movie.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_02: What makes you say it's a terrible movie?
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_00: So I watched The Graduate when uh like after college, when I lived with my parents again, um, like the best of us do after college.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember my friend who, like one of my best friends who like lives in that town, she and I were kind of watching a lot of classic movies just to like be like, oh yeah, I've seen The Shining.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen just like run through the classic movies.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_00: So we watched the graduate, and almost like immediately I remember being like, What is going on?
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's I haven't seen it since then because I hated it so much.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_00: But he he's like a predator.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_02: I know what you're saying.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_02: I get what you're saying, yeah.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_00: Because he, I think he stalks Anne Bancroft's character, or he stalks the younger daughter.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_00: He stalks the daughter, and then she won't like give him the time of day, right?
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so if he has sex with her mom, which is not normal or good to have sex with the mother of the person who you're romantically interested in.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_00: And then they end up together, they kind of end up together at the end.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, she blows up her whole life for this to be with a predator, and then he kind of is like, What they're both like, what did I do?
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because he's like, Oh no, what did I do?
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a predator, and she's like, What did I do?
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm with a predator.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_02: I do like the consequence at the end there, with like, what did I do?
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_02: What did I do?
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like final scene is very good.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_02: I when I first saw it, I loved that movie over time, and I've as I've grown up, I've gone off it, and I see like I I've learned to see like oh, this is actually not a good story.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_02: This is a creepy story, and he's not a good person.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, with a different score, because I know well, they I think that's another movie.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, right, because again, it's also Simon and Garfungel, just like made in Manhattan.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, with a more eerie score, it would have been a horror movie, but it's Simon and Garfungel, so it's just like, you know, like loose and having fun.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_00: Or if it had not been, if it had been in the woods and not in Southern California, it would have been a horror movie.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_02: I think a different yeah, it's a horror movie.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_02: I think between the the soundtrack and the direction is what is what does it.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_02: The direction's very, very good in it as well.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think the performances are good.
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_02: I just think, yeah, like the story doesn't hold up over time now.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's a thing that like we kind of overlooked, like people overlooked when it came out, I feel like.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_02: And it's only it's only really a thing that in the last like 15-20 years that people are kind of like, uh, that doesn't really but like no one talks about the graduate.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like people talk about Woody Allen movies now, and they're like, oh wow, now if you think about a Woody Allen movie, he's actually a huge creep, and that's a big problem.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_00: But because like the graduate is with like a lot of things that people still like, it's like we're not gonna worry about the fact that he's a predator.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_02: Although Dustin Hoffman is I think he's fine.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_02: There were there was a couple of things that came out about him, but he's no Woody Allen.
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_02: No, definitely the different levels to it, right?
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_00: And everyone in that movie is an adult, yeah.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_00: But it's still on a lot of like the best movie ever made, or people like really talk about it as like their favorite movies.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I kinda I don't think it's aged well enough to continue to make it on those lists, unless we're like, oh yeah, the music's good, the cool um houses were are great, the direction is good, but again, it's like the script is bad because it's about a a bad dude.
• 1:18:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'm curious what it actually has on here as well.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna guess it's like close to 100.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 1:18:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think I'm the only one who feels this way.
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's 87.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Pretty good.
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's pretty good.
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's not as high as I was expecting, actually.
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I kinda well I wasn't alive when it was released, but I always you weren't born in 67.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_00: I was not I was not born or um able to watch movies in 1967.
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um my parents had not met.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I guess I assumed it was always like widely super popular.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was, and it still is, I think.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I don't think it should be popular anymore.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Is my take.
• 1:19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Although I'm looking at this, and there's a couple of reviews from 2020, and they're both bad.
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_00: I wrote them.
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_02: You work for the Los Angeles Free Press.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's my side hustle.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's one of my side hustles.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, I I I agree with you.
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_02: I know what you're saying now.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like, it's not one that I would have.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's one that I definitely enjoyed a lot as like a teenager.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_02: And then like now I'm like, uh.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_02: But then I also I don't know.
• 1:20:09
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of movies I loved as a teenager that I I still see the merit, I still see how good they are, but I don't like I'm creeped out by them now.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like Taxi Driver as well.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_02: I really enjoyed as a teenager.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_02: And now I'm kind of like, oof.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_02: Which movie?
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_02: Taxi Driver.
• 1:20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I've never seen that.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's a very good movie, but everything associated with it, and you know, like oh right, because Jody Foster plays a child prostitute, right?
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Is that the movie?
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's not good.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_02: He's also very he's like he's kind of an incel in that movie.
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's a creepy movie.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_02: But I get the I get what they're doing with the movie, but like it doesn't over time I'm just kind of like a little bit like I'm glad I didn't go down that path of being like obsessed with those movies like Fight Club and you know Joker and like I that could have taken me down a very different path.
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think if the graduate I think it almost is it supposed to be a comedy?
• 1:21:16
  unknown: Okay.
• 1:21:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's supposed to be a comedy drama.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's not that funny, but I think that if it had if that story was kind of trying to get made today, it wouldn't never be able to be a comedy, and it would have to be a drama, and then he'd have to be kind of like an insult, right?
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_00: To stalk a woman and then have sex with her mom.
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like it'd have to have like insult vibes.
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:21:38
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's like so strange.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like also, like the weird the other weird thing is like I think this helps the I I think this is what helped the stories the fact that they're not actually like that far apart in age, because Dustin Hoffman was like a lot older than he was appearing in, and Anne Bancroft was a lot younger than she was appearing in the movie.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and he's supposed to be a college grad.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's like 14 years older than him or something in real life.
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
• 1:22:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then the the woman who plays like the bride at the end, she's age appropriate, I think.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_02: I think so, yeah.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_02: I think everyone was age appropriate.
• 1:22:14
  SPEAKER_02: Catherine Ross is her name.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm looking at up how old she is.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_00: But Dustin Hoffman kind of has like an old-looking face, no matter what age he was.
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, she was 27, so I'm like maybe if they had cast people who were like age appropriate, that would have been different.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_00: But also then it would have been hard to watch like a woman in her maybe early 50s having sex with like a 22-year-old.
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't I mean, but that's supposed to be like sexy, that's not supposed to be problematic.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_02: Well, okay, she was six years older than him.
• 1:22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Aw, that's sad for her.
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_02: He was born in 37, so he wasn't he was 30 years old.
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_02: She was only 36.
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_02: Jesus Christ.
• 1:22:58
  unknown: 36.
• 1:23:00
  SPEAKER_00: And she's probably playing someone in her like early, she could have been playing someone in her early 40s.
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because he's playing younger as well, isn't he?
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and like you think like, oh, she's like, He's playing 18 or something, isn't he?
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_02: No, 22, maybe something like that.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_00: 22, and then like if you're thinking about like someone who had a baby in the 50s, a woman who had a baby in the 50s, she probably had a baby when she was like 20.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a lot younger back then, wasn't it?
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so she's probably she's age appropriate.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Dustin Hoffman should have been they should have cast a younger person, I think, if they wanted to make it work.
• 1:23:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that it did work.
• 1:23:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think that that's the problem with the graduate, is that everybody thinks it worked, and I'm the only one who doesn't think it really works.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, sure, still with like your opinion.
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_02: If you don't, if you don't get if you're kind of creeped out by it, that's that's fair.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_02: And it's uh it's like a not it's like a perfectly fine statement to be creeped out by it.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like there's not like it is creepy.
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't I don't think that I'm uh I think I'm right.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think I I think you're right as well, to be honest.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:24:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I think it should maybe have less of a good reputation.
• 1:24:11
  SPEAKER_00: I it should have a worse reputation in 2021 than I think it does.
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_00: People don't want to analyze it.
• 1:24:17
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think people are looking back on it either though.
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, right, because none of the people involved.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_02: So wait, 67.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_02: So I reckon in 2027, so like what's that's I know that's like 60 years.
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say 50 years from but they've already had their 50th anniversary.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's a Mike Nichols movie, right?
• 1:24:39
  SPEAKER_00: And he died.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_02: He died recently, didn't he?
• 1:24:42
  SPEAKER_00: He he died like re fairly recently, and he also died sort of like popular and good.
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't think anybody's gonna go back through his uh works and pan them and be like, you really fucked up, dude.
• 1:24:58
  SPEAKER_02: Especially not that one.
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not for no, not yeah.
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_00: So I think this is like I'm gonna be for the rest of my life alone in how much I don't like the graduate.
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_02: No, I think I think it's gonna come around to that eventually.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'd I have a feeling.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many people spent I mean, there's so many worse people to talk shit about worse movies than this.
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like I've gotten you've given generously given me this platform.
• 1:25:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so happy um to come out as an anti-graduate.
• 1:25:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um and wow, anti-graduating.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Can't believe it's I know everyone should stay.
• 1:25:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I tell I've told my interns not to graduate, to stay in school forever.
• 1:25:41
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_02: So with that, uh that brings us to the end.
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_02: So thank you so much for doing this.
• 1:25:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I'm thrilled.
• 1:25:50
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• 1:25:54
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• 1:25:59
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• 1:26:00
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• 1:26:00
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• 1:26:02
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• 1:26:02
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• 1:26:07
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• 1:26:18
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• 1:26:19
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• 1:26:20
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• 1:26:21
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• 1:26:23
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• 1:26:26
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• 1:26:29
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• 1:26:34
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• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_02: Great.
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you so much, Dev.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks so much.
• 1:26:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm happy to be here.
• 1:26:40
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• 1:26:42
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• 1:26:46
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