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Who Decided What's Professional? How to Stop Following the Lawyer Rules You Never Chose · The Wellness Esquire Podcast: Happy, Healthy, Successful Lawyers

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  I made a mistake.
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  And I'm like, but I will not turn my head to the right to look at the monkey because I don't want to be unprofessional.
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  it it doesn't look very professional that you're taking these calls outside.
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  that's absurd. Where you sit does not mean you don't take your work seriously, what you have to wear, this is what your hair has to look like, this is the right color nail polish, and a lot of it is absolute nonsense.
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  And also treat every day like it's your birthday.
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  Am I doing this because I want to, or because I think I have to?
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  And welcome to The Wellness Esquire Podcast, where we are happy, healthy, and successful. Let's get into it.
• 0:36
  I made a mistake.
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  And in order to tell you about it, I am gonna give you some background that you are probably not ready for.
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  We're gonna start out with talking about my love for monkeys.
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  My love for monkeys is probably a little bit weird for maybe not weird, a little unusual for a 38-year-old.
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  But I own it.
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  And it's just who I am.
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  I love monkeys.
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  I didn't know how much I loved monkeys until we started traveling as nomads and started spending a lot of time in Costa Rica in particular, where they have the best monkeys.
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  There are other monkeys around the world and To differentiate, we call, I in particular, call the Costa Rica monkeys that I particularly adore, the dancing monkeys.
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  I also have I just love and I I feel like we have a way of communicating.
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  I don't mean like really, but I'm gonna tell you a story.
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  I also have a sloth version of this.
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  On my birthday recently, I was saying to my husband, Do you think we're going to see any monkeys today?
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  And as soon as I finished saying this, and it was like probably 4 p.m.
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  at that point in the day, as soon as I finished saying, Do you think we're gonna see any monkeys today?
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  Out of my peripheral vision to the left, I sensed the leaves move in such a way that I knew there were monkeys.
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  And immediately appeared one monkey, and then a second monkey, and then a third monkey.
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  And to say I was delighted is an understatement.
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  My husband has pictures and video of my reaction, which is not unusual.
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  We've got a lot of videos of me freaking out.
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  with various forms of jumping and dancing when there are monkeys.
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  And often when we're in Costa Rica, the monkeys are what break up my day and kind of get me to have an impromptu dance party and to get me to stand up.
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  I when I'm in a meeting, I say s I stay still and I focus on the meeting.
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  So far, I don't think I've had a monkey actually interrupt a meeting.
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  That would be great, but it's actually related to this today's story.
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  I'll tell you the sloth story too.
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  We were in Panama.
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  And I was working, I was sitting inside, I was sitting by a window, also to my left.
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  I sensed a sloth, which makes no sense, by the way, in particular because they make no sounds.
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  They are completely silent creatures.
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  And What I sensed was at least a hundred feet away through a window into the nature.
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  And I sensed a slot.
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  I bounced up, I ran outside, ran over to the trees, looked very far high up, and there was a sloth.
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  How on earth I sensed it, I really don't understand.
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  But anyways, point is I have some way of sensing when there are monkeys and sloths around.
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  And I know when the we have a lot more experience with monkeys, and I know when they're there far before before my husband and it seems anybody else.
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  And I also get far more excited.
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  Any excitement my husband has is really more about me getting excited.
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  So I love the monkeys.
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  Recently, I was doing a podcast.
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  And I was sitting there, I was inside, doors, glass doors were closed so that I would have, you know, control over my environment.
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  My husband knew I was doing a podcast.
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  We're getting close to finishing out the podcast.
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  Podcast is going amazing.
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  It's fantastic.
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  Also, and you all should listen to the podcast - Powerhouse Lawyers with Erin Gerner, who is amazing.
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  We also had her on the Wellness Esquire podcast.
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  I adore her.
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  Go listen.
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  So we're doing this podcast.
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  And toward the end, my husband comes like weirdly out of the back of the house where he'd been doing his meetings, and he's like, he's he's interrupting me.
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  He's not being quiet.
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  And he's just kind of moving through the house in such a way of like, I thought he was trying to get a power cord for his laptop, and I was like, why don't you already have one?
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  And I he was just being like subtly disruptive in a way that I was like, what is happening?
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  What are you doing?
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  And also stop it because I'm focusing on this podcast.
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  And he's like seeming to try to get my attention.
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  And I'm like, what are you doing?
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  This is not usually what you're like while I'm on a call.
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  And I did not know that he was trying to get my attention because there were monkeys.
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  dancing right outside of the door that I was very actively the very like glass door that's basically a glass wall.
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  I was very actively not looking at it.
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  So I'd heard something, I'd heard a sound, but I didn't want to get distracted and you know, I wanted to focus.
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  And but he knows, my husband knows my priorities, which are monkeys.
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  And we've designed our life in such a way that we get that we should be able to enjoy the monkeys whenever.
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  And so at the end of the podcast, I I think at some point he like used words and I kind of understood what was happening, but did not fully understand what was happening really at all.
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  And so we we finished the podcast, it's great.
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  I then understand that Aaron Through Zoom, had sort of seen a little bit of the monkeys like dancing with fruit right outside of where I was sitting, and I could have just turned my body or even just my head a little bit and looked.
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  And this led me to have quite a few thoughts.
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  And it brought me back to a lifestyle that I very intentionally left.
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  So While we're doing this podcast, you know, I'm I'm I wanted to make sure that I'm in the zone and focused and being respectful, and then I'm showing up well and I'm creating an environment on my end so that the person who's invited me onto their podcast is able to show up well as well.
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  Had never considered, well, what if a monkey shows up?
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  Because who does that?
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  And Afterwards, my husband and I had a whole conversation about okay, if this were to happen again, if I'm in a meeting or doing a podcast, and monkeys show up right outside my door in a way that they don't usually do.
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  I mean, yes, we've been seeing a lot of monkeys, but this was the closest that they had come, and they were behaving in a different way than they usually do, and they were they were having a party, and I was actively not participating it so that I could be professional.
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  While Erin and I are talking about building practices and lives that suit who we are and you know all the things that go around lawyer well-being and really truly being us.
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  And I'm like, I'm not gonna turn my head to the right because I want to be focused and professional and respectful.
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  Now, I and and So after after the podcast when with my the conversations my husband and I were having about this, you know, I'm talking about, well, being respectful is very important to me.
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  There's really no reason and I had all these, you know, and I'm very aware of we all have nervous systems.
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  They all operate differently for all of us.
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  I don't wanna be the reason that someone gets thrown off.
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  I don't know what happening on my end might impact, you know, my host to just get thrown with their questions or something.
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  I don't know, because I get a little bit thrown, or I can.
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  Sometimes I do.
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  It's I'm I'm getting better and better with my tools so that less and less can throw me and I can always stay, I can more often stay in the mode that I want to be, even with distractions and even even with the things that I wouldn't opt to have happening.
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  But I don't I don't know what other people's situations are.
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  So we had this conversation, and I had really settled on if this happens again and I'm, you know, in a meeting or on a podcast, and there are monkeys, don't tell me about the monkeys because it's most important to me to be respectful to who I'm engaging with.
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  And the word I wasn't even thinking about when we were having this conversation is professional.
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  And then I was having this conversation with a friend of mine.
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  Don't know how we got there.
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  It was not intentional.
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  I wasn't looking to keep talking about this, but it came up because we were still in Costa Rica and we're about to go back there.
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  And so I was telling him about this.
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  And as we're having this discussion, and ha as he's like, my God, that's amazing.
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  I would totally like I w I would want to see the monkeys too.
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  Like, did you you should have shown her the monkeys and propped that into the whole thing?
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  Like that's the vibe of what you're doing and what you're all about.
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  And I suddenly realized where my I'm not turning my head to the right because I don't want to be unprofessional, where that came from.
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  And of course, in general, it just came from like background of being a lawyer, but there was a specific incident that I mean, incident is probably a strong word.
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  Maybe it's not.
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  Maybe it's appropriate.
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  Maybe we'll keep incident.
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  Before I went out on my own, I was working at a firm, and one of the senior lawyers who I had a good relationship with and who was looking out for me.
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  Said to me.
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  So I guess more background.
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  We lived in Santa Barbara at the time.
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  And I would sometimes take my laptop out to take internal meetings.
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  I don't I never actually did this with a client meeting.
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  but I would take internal team meetings outside sometimes.
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  We had this great yard with fruit trees.
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  There was a lemon tree and an avocado tree, and we just we had like half a dozen gorgeous trees, and I don't like inside.
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  I like outside.
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  I am charged by the sun, I am charged by the sand, and we had this beautiful backyard.
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  So I would want to spend my time out there, and I I need Son to think and to function well.
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  We all do actually.
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  I'm just very aware of it and I make sure that I do it.
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  So that was one of the ways that I would take care of myself throughout the day.
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  Take my meeting outside, crazy.
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  So one day this senior lawyer said to me, you know.
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  it it doesn't look very professional that you're taking these calls outside.
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  You know, you you have to think of your colleagues as potential clients and, you know, when you sit outside, it looks like you don't take your work seriously.
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  Now, that's absurd.
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  Where you sit does not mean you don't take your work seriously, but was what was particularly funny about that when it did happen was also in that call, that lawyer had been telling me about a client that they he they'd been just struggling with and struggling even just to get the client to communicate with them and and to engage and they were just having a tough time.
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  And later that day that client who was actually not my client, I had done a little bit of work for them, but it really wasn't my client.
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  That client called me because they didn't want to call the lawyer who was telling me that it was unprofessional to sit outside.
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  They felt more of a rapport with me.
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  So I just kind of found that to be a hoot.
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  And at that point, I I knew that I wasn't in the right place.
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  I'd been considering like what should I do next?
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  What should I do instead?
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  And I didn't know the answer.
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  I I knew myself.
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  Pretty well at that point, nowhere near as well as I do now.
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  And I was, you know, moving towards the confidence to just be myself.
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  but I still had like, you know, still around people who were doing things differently.
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  And when he said that to me, I it didn't shake me in the way it would have years before.
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  And I I but it it sat with me enough that I actually did check with one of the partners and I just said, like, hey, someone gave me this feedback.
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  Like, is there an issue with me sitting outside?
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  And the partner was like, No, you're gonna sit outside.
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  But it it stuck with me.
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  Not because I thought, I have to listen to this advice of do not sit outside, but just it it was it was an example of the restrictions that we often end up just feeling like we have to abide by.
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  And even though when that lawyer gave me that that feedback, which like was meant in a very well it was he was he was trying to look out for me.
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  and I understood that, it it it didn't throw me.
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  I didn't stop sitting outside.
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  But it stuck with me as, my God, like we really have like people are in our industry who even think that like sitting outside is unprofessional.
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  And so when I had this podcast experience where I'm having a blast, I'm talking about being super authentic and you know, building and running my law firm from the beach and from the jungle all around the world.
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  And I'm like, but I will not turn my head to the right to look at the monkey because I don't want to be unprofessional.
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  It was one of those moments that I realized, my God, some of it's still stuck inside of me.
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  This like like this shape of who I'm supposed to be as a lawyer or as a as a professional.
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  And it it also it reminded me when I had that realization with this conversation with a friend of mine, it brought me back to a conversation that we'd also had on this podcast with Gwen Griggs and Whitney Harper.
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  And they were talking about how, you know, even I believe what they were the the they were saying, you know, even even years in to running their firm, there would be times where Gwen it was as Gwen's telling the story primarily.
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  Gwen would say, you know, that there were times that she Would still be even though they were running their firm differently and they were using this great P3 method point system in instead of the billable hour, even though they were doing things differently and they were doing it in a way that was value aligned and you know really aligned with who they are and how they wanted to operate, she would still get stuck sometimes with a mindset that was outdated, that was from the way she had been trained for decades to operate.
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  And Whitney would, you know, help her out of that of like, well, we don't have to do it that way.
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  There's no reason to do it that way.
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  And it was a conversation.
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  Conversation around, you know, my God, even when we've put so much thought around getting out of the traps and getting out of those boxes.
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  And even when we've implemented all of these different models and strategies and things to be different from what we're we've run away from and to, you know, build something that feels better, there's Still so often, you know, ever or every so often, something that you come across where you're like, my God, I'm still there's still something that I need to work through and something that I need to realize that I haven't fully kind of recovered from or processed or something.
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  And that was it for me.
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  I it was this, okay, yes, I'm I got my law firm.
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  I'm I'm, you know, the model is is one that feels good for me.
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  I'm doing it from wherever I want in the world.
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  You know, I I say yes to the right clients, I say no to the wrong clients, I'm, you know, hiring the people that I like and that can help me do what I really want to do and that we can do it together and feel good.
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  I'm doing all these things the way I want.
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  And yet When given the opportunity to sort of in a way prove it on a podcast and say, my God, see, look, I turned my head to the right and there's a monkey.
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  Like that would have been amazing.
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  Like imagine being, you know, on this podcast or listening to a podcast, and it's, you know, regular discussion is interrupted by, my God, there's a monkey.
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  Maybe that's not everyone's vibe, but I think it would be enough people's vibe.
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  And it's also just naturally who I am.
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  And by, you know, is I I've become really good and I'm getting better and better at not stifling myself and allowing me to just be me.
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  And even just not turning my head to just see there is a monkey.
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  There is a, there are actually a few monkeys dancing to my right that that felt Stifling, like I was kind of shutting myself up from being totally myself.
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  And sometimes I think we need those moments of being like, ooh, that didn't feel good.
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  why did I do that?
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  okay, I won't do that again.
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  So that you can then recognize it the next time, you know, that pattern, that shape of, you know, I don't know if there'll be monkeys during a podcast again.
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  Hope so.
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  that way I can practice what I'm talking about now.
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  but there there's so much that you know, when we've been trained in this the the standard, you know, legal model, but it's obviously not just law.
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  It's it's the way so many of us have worked in kind of all sorts of industries.
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  And we've been given this sense of, well, this is how you do it right, and this is what success looks like, and this is what it looks like to be professional.
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  This is what you have to wear, this is what your hair has to look like, this is the right color nail polish, you know, all of that stuff.
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  This is the way to speak, this is the way to not speak, this is how you write an email, this is the way you don't write an email.
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  There's so much stuff, and some of it has some value, and a lot of it is absolute nonsense.
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  And It's it's kind of interesting to get to a phase where, you know, you you're living mostly the way you want to, and then you recognize, there was a nonsense thing and I did it because I thought it was important.
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  And maybe there's still some value in parts of it, you know, s still stand by.
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  I wanna be respectful to the, you know, the person who invited me on.
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  I don't want to be distracting all those things.
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  But I still think there's a way to do that while still saying, my god, there's a monkey over here.
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  So it it made me, you know, start just asking myself a little bit more is there anything else that I'm you know, kind of allowing myself to stay trapped in?
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  Are there other elements of the way I'm practicing that I've accidentally defaulted or autopiloted to that I actually don't want to do that way?
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  And this brings me to something else I've been thinking about recently.
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  So I I had a birthday recently and I I I struggled with my birthday.
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  My dad died when I was 17.
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  And I haven't really liked my birthday since then because my birthday just became, you know, each birthday was one more year without my dad.
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  And then especially once I got to the point where he'd been gone longer than I'd had him, that was not really great for the birthday vibe.
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  And Over the last few years in particular, I've really started to try to I've put more intention onto okay, I need to change my mindset around my birthday.
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  It can't only be painful.
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  and you know, I love birthdays for other people.
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  I just have had a lot of trouble with mine.
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  And and so I've I've started putting some work into hey, how can we like the birthday and what can we celebrate and You know, just kind of a learn tr learning, trying to learn how to recognize what I've accomplished and marking it in some way around my birthday, and just using the birthday as like a hey, look, look what you've done in your life and look what you've overcome, which is a hell of a lot.
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  anyways, on my birthday, my husband said to me.
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  You know, it he said, you know, you can it's your birthday, you can do whatever you want.
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  And also treat every day like it's your birthday.
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  You can always do whatever you want.
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  And I kind of paused and was like, that's that's interesting.
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  It's my birthday, I can do whatever I want.
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  And also treat every day like it's my birthday.
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  I can always do whatever I want.
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  And actually the way we've designed our life is we're mostly doing what we want.
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  But When am I not doing exactly what I want?
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  What are the things that I'm still in a similar way to the the story from the monkeys and the professionalism?
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  What are the things that I'm still kind of trapping myself with and deciding to do in a certain way because I that for some reason I decided that's the way to do it.
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  Someone else did it that way.
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  That's what the industry does.
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  Or, you know, or it was something that I I wanted to do that way, but then I hadn't yet rethunk it and adjusted, you know, that maybe it was something that I really wanted to do in a particular way.
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  Maybe it isn't anymore.
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  Maybe something about me has changed or what I want to do has changed, but I haven't stopped doing the thing.
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  And so it got me to start looking a little bit more closely at every single decision that I'm making.
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  And even around the podcast.
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  And and actually that was one of the first things that I started thinking about is okay, so everything around the podcast, what about it is fun and is exactly why I started doing it.
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  And what about it sometimes feels stressful or that I'm like just not totally, not totally right.
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  And You know, I realized that I had decided at some point that I'm gonna put out this weekly podcast.
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  And consistency is important.
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  And so I at some in when I when I first started the podcast, I had I had banked dozen dozens of episodes before I even, you know, published the first one.
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  And so I'd had this plan at the outset of I'm always gonna have lots of episodes banked so that I never feel like I have to rush to get one out.
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  And then I started adjusting my schedule a little bit and I don't remember.
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  Other things happened with just timing and my availability and And I was putting out a lot of the episodes and I wasn't always keeping up with recording at at a pace that would allow me to be as ahead as I wanted to be.
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  And so then I felt like I was rushing myself and like there was a clock.
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  And then I I had to realize, I realized around my birthday after realizing, hmm, I wonder if there are ways that I'm not actually always doing exactly what I want, but I could.
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  It's my choice that I'm not doing exactly what I want.
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  So what should I change?
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  And one of those things was realizing, yeah, I do I I love the podcast.
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  I have big ambitions for the podcast.
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  That doesn't mean that I always have to put it out every single week.
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  And also the shape of it can change.
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  And it's mine.
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  It is entirely mine.
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  I can just change what I'm doing at any point.
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  That could mean that I don't put out an episode some weeks.
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  And that is fine.
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  That could mean that I put out more solo episodes.
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  And I'm actually having a lot of fun with that because now I'm learning how to do it better.
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  And, you know, if you listened to my first couple of solos, you know that I was really nervous because I hadn't done it before and it it felt more nerve-wracking than doing a a guest interview.
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  And and then I realized, ooh, this is like the next thing that I can challenge myself to become better at, because it is something that I want to become better at.
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  And So there's all so I get to choose.
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  Is it every week?
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  Is it always with a guest?
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  Is it sometimes a solo?
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  Is it sometimes more solos than guests?
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  Is it, you know, always around an hour?
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  Is it sometimes more like half an hour?
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  Is it seven minutes sometimes?
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  You know, and I've I I was a I had to get myself out of, well, I started it this way and I had this in mind.
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  And I had to allow myself to say, okay, well that's that had been an idea.
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  Okay, where are we now?
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  What should we adjust?
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  And so I'm implementing that in various parts of my life, just like looking very closely and questioning - this is what I do.
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  Why?
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  Did I decide I wanted to do it?
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  If not, where did it come from?
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  Do I want to do it that way?
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  No?
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  Okay, what do I want to do instead?
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  Do I want to do it at all?
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  If the answer is no, stop.
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  and if the answer is yes, but not quite that way, okay, reshape and adjust.
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  So, and I gotta tell you, it feels good.
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  Just even recognizing, you know, I I'm a person that really r I really recognize that so much of Life is a choice, but we're making all these choices and we don't always realize that it's really a decision.
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  But you know, we end up just on this kind of autopilot and doing something after another.
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  And it's not always filled with intention.
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  Maybe it was a at first, but then it just becomes a habit and or a routine.
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  And I don't I don't want that.
• 27:43
  I don't want to just end up, you know, having done a thing because I started it once and just like forgot to stop or forgot to change how I was doing it.
• 27:52
  So I'm being more intentional about really looking carefully at every aspect of how I run my law firm, what I want it to be, all of the aspects inside of it, what you know, what my goals are with the public.
• 28:05
  what just and how it comes out when it comes out you know what what's the marketing piece just all of you know it there's no one right way to do anything and I get to try one way assess and adjust and so do you so I want to Challenge all of you to look at any aspect of your life, at least one aspect of your life, and really look closely and ask yourself, what's working about this?
• 28:48
  And what isn't?
• 28:51
  What do I like?
• 28:52
  What do I not like?
• 28:53
  What what do I want to change?
• 28:56
  Am I doing this because I want to, or because I think I have to?
• 29:02
  Who is this for?
• 29:02
  Who is it about?
• 29:06
  And I'd love to know which things you're looking at and what adjustments you're starting to make.
• 29:13
  And I'm sure for some of you, that's also gonna feel really daunting and scary because maybe you haven't done it before, or maybe there's reasons you're doing it not the way that you like, and you don't know how to make that shift to do it in a way that feels good and right.
• 29:27
  And welcome.
• 29:29
  It's scary at the beginning, but I can assure you, the more you do it.
• 29:33
  The less scary it becomes and the better everything starts to feel.
• 29:39
  So as you do your own personal assessments, I really would love to hear what those are for you.
• 29:46
  And then as you start to implement, how is it feeling?
• 29:53
  So I I'm just so incredibly excited about the Wellness Esquire community and what what it's growing into and and who's finding the Wellness Esquire and sharing it and I just It's so meaningful to me that it's becoming what I want it to be.
• 30:17
  And in order for it to become even more what I want it to be, what all of us are looking for it to be, more people need to know about it.
• 30:24
  So please do all of the sharing and subscribing and following and you know, sending it to your friends and your colleagues and posting about it and all the things and do the five stars and you know, write a write a review of just loving the podcast and what we're bringing to the industry.
• 30:44
  And please do reach out to me and and tell me if you have a story that you'd like to share and you actually would love to be on the podcast and talk about it, let me know.
• 30:54
  I gotta tell you, when I first started getting requests to be on the podcast, I was a lot of them are AI slop and I ignore those, but the ones that are real and genuine, it's so much fun.
• 31:08
  It's so exciting because I mean, people want to be on the podcast, people have a story to tell.
• 31:15
  I I know that everybody has a story to tell, but the fact that this is really becoming a platform where people want people know.
• 31:22
  This is a place I can share authentically and and you know and have fun and that people are gonna get value out of it is it's really fun and exciting.
• 31:31
  So if that's you, reach out.
• 31:33
  And and if you have ideas of what you would, you know, the get other guests that you'd like to see on and other topics that you'd like to hear about and other things that the Wellness Esquire, that you'd like to see the Wellness Esquire grow into and offer, I would love to hear from you.
• 31:50
  Thank you so much for listening and for being here with me.
• 31:53
  And hope we get to hang out very soon.